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-Yes, the view is wonderful... | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
-..but don't get tricked by the -beauty of Wales' mountain landscape. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:16 | |
-There's a storm on the horizon... | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
-..which threatens -the communities that live here. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:23 | |
-A storm previously unseen -in recent Welsh history. | 0:00:23 | 0:00:27 | |
-80% of agricultural land in Wales -is classed as upland... | 0:00:42 | 0:00:46 | |
-..or land in a less favoured area. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
-It's home to 1.5m people... | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
-..and offers direct livelihoods -for 42,000 farmers... | 0:00:52 | 0:00:57 | |
-..with many more jobs created -indirectly. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:01 | |
-Hill farming is the backbone -of the economy, culture... | 0:01:01 | 0:01:07 | |
-..and environment of the uplands. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
-Every upland farm -receives a subsidy. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
-Those payments from Europe -will continue until the end of 2019. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:21 | |
-The United Kingdom has decided -to leave the European Union. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
-As a result, changes will happen. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
-With Britain not contributing -financially to Europe... | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
-..the Common Agricultural Policy -payments will no longer be relevant. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:40 | |
-In other words, it will see the end -of subsidies as we know them now. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:45 | |
-It might herald the end -of our tariff-free lamb market... | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
-..on the continent -as we leave the single market. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
-It is estimated -that there are 9m sheep in Wales. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:57 | |
-The uplands are home -to 75% of breeding ewes. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:02 | |
-At today's price, farmers receive -between l.26 and 1.76 per kilo... | 0:02:02 | 0:02:10 | |
-..for their produce. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
-There are costs connected -with rearing lambs... | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
-..as Emlyn Roberts from Rhydymain, -Dolgellau, knows better than anyone. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
-He keeps 800 sheep -and 25 Welsh Black cattle. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:25 | |
-As a hill farm, we're dependant on -Europe as a market for our sheep... | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
-..even though the economy there -is a little fragile right now. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
-What does the market -want from you right now? | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
-Large lambs, -there's a market for large lambs. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
-It's a struggle to get a market -and demand for small lambs. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
-Producing large lambs -in an upland area is difficult. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:51 | |
-It's very difficult - we're -encouraged to produce large lambs. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:56 | |
-The problem with that is -you get larger ewes... | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
-..the sheep are bigger, there -are costs to maintain the sheep... | 0:02:59 | 0:03:03 | |
-..and the sheep -won't live on the mountains. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
-Welsh mountain ewes are on the -mountains for over 10 months a year. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
-If that sheep doesn't produce -the lamb the market demands... | 0:03:10 | 0:03:15 | |
-..changes are inevitable. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:16 | |
-..changes are inevitable. - -That's a possibility. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
-It's possible to get -some of those lambs over 15 kilos... | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
-..and sell them as store lambs -in this country later in the year. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
-The income to the farm -will decrease as a result. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:33 | |
-The people who finish the lambs -need their cut... | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
-..to guarantee that they have -an income for finishing the lamb. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:41 | |
-How much subsidy do you receive now? | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
-At the moment, a substantial -proportion of the farm's income... | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
-..comes from direct -and indirect subsidies. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
-Indirectly, schemes relating -to environmental agriculture... | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
-..but a lot of that money -is transferred to working capital. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
-I employ lads -to fence and build walls. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
-Very little of that money -stays in my pocket. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:05 | |
-That sustains local workers -and their families. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:10 | |
-I employ -as many local lads as I can. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
-Geraint Davies farms -Fedw Arian near Bala. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
-He keeps 1,000 breeding ewes -and 30 cows. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
-Without the payments, -a hill farm would make a loss. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:30 | |
-We don't receive enough -for our produce. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
-Our production costs are high. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
-What are the obstacles -you face every day? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
-There are a number. -80% of the farm is classed as SSSI. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:47 | |
-We receive no help with that -and it's very frustrating. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
-If we end up selling to the WTO... | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
-..and we're bound -by those guidelines... | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
-..which stop us being -competitive across the world... | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
-..we're going to struggle -to compete with countries... | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
-..such as New Zealand, Brazil where -the environment isn't a concern. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:13 | |
-What would you like -to see happening? | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
-A policy that will guarantee -the future of hill farming. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:21 | |
-The future of carbon storing -will be a major player. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:27 | |
-We can go to an industry -that pollutes... | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
-..and tell the authorities -that carbon emissions... | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
-..can be offset on hill farms. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
-That's a strong possibility for us. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
-Lord Elis-Thomas is the AM -for Dwyfor Meirionnydd. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
-The constituency -has a high proportion of hill farms. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
-It's important to remember how -different Welsh hill farming is... | 0:05:51 | 0:05:56 | |
-..to farming in south-east England -with the emphasis on crops. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
-We need a pattern of supporting -agriculture which guarantees... | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
-..that the food produced here -and people who live here... | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
-..have an income for the future. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:12 | |
-In other words, -hill farmers need subsidies. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
-Of course because the income -of Welsh farmers, on average... | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
-..is 25,000 -and that's not enough income... | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
-..to sustain the economy -in rural Wales. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
-What we receive -from the European Union... | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
-..and Common Agricultural Policy... | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
-..and the lamb policy in particular -has been crucial for hill farmers. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:42 | |
-Some argue that hill farmers, -like every other farmer... | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
-..should stand -on their own two feet. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
-They should exist without subsidies. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
-They should exist without subsidies. - -That's not a sound argument. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
-There's only one way to work. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
-You either get a fair price -for the milk or the lambs... | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
-..or you receive support -through subsidies... | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
-..to safeguard other objectives... | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
-..which include environmental -objectives in this area. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
-It's not possible to maintain -the level of farming... | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
-..and land management -in this part of the world... | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
-..if there's no increase -in market price... | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
-..maintaining the market price -through an open market. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
-If we're not part -of the single market... | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
-..how can we export agricultural -produce to the rest of Europe? | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
-There's no need for anyone to be -a mathematician to realise... | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
-..the financial uncertainty -faced by hill farmers. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
-On top of losing subsidies... | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
-..is there a possibility -of losing the European market? | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
-Meat Promotion Wales -receives a levy of 83p per lamb... | 0:07:55 | 0:08:00 | |
-..partially to promote the produce. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
-Prys Morgan -is Meat Promotion Wales'... | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
-..Industry Relations -and Knowledge Exchange Manager. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
-About 35% of lambs produced in Wales -are exported. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
-Of the lambs that are exported, 90% -are exported to the European Union. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:22 | |
-The financial value of the market -is over 120m. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:29 | |
-Realistically, -it's worth more than that. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
-It gives processors the opportunity -to balance the carcass. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
-That allows them to sell leg cuts -in this country... | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
-..and the shoulder and loin cuts -can be exported. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
-Can you explain -the possible system of tariffs? | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
-Tariffs exists under the WTO, -the World Trade Organisation. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:51 | |
-They vary - -for lamb it's 46% of the price... | 0:08:51 | 0:08:57 | |
-..up to 60% of the price. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
-If that lamb is sold, -if the meat is sold for 100... | 0:09:00 | 0:09:05 | |
-..the market which imports it will -have to pay at least 146 for it. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
-It's not competitive in that market. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
-Let's talk about hill farmers. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
-Which markets -need to be targeted for those lambs? | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
-There's an available market at home, -in the ethnic communities. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
-They export out -to Italy, Spain and Portugal. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
-As these markets develop... | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
-..they will want more cuts. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
-A larger lamb will suit them better. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
-For example, if a 10-kilo lamb -is cut and it costs 10 to cut it... | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
-..it's 1 a kilo. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
-If a 20-kilo lamb is cut, -it's 50p per kilo. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:51 | |
-With so much debate, what are -the unions and politicians doing... | 0:09:53 | 0:09:58 | |
-..to guarantee hill farming -in the future? | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
-Alun visited a special conference -to find out. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
-Westminster's Welsh affairs -committee chose Dolgellau Mart... | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
-..as the venue for the next step -of the Brexit debate. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:18 | |
-Politicians, unions and farmers -discussed concerns and hopes... | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
-..in the wake -of leaving the European Union. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
-At crucial times such as this... | 0:10:26 | 0:10:28 | |
-..you must capitalise -on opportunities... | 0:10:28 | 0:10:31 | |
-..to express your concerns. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
-We might not be able -to influence... | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
-..but we hope the politicians -present listen to us. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
-Every pound -the government invests in farming... | 0:10:41 | 0:10:45 | |
-..is multiplied many times -before its journey's end. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:50 | |
-In rural areas, they should see it -as investment in communities... | 0:10:51 | 0:10:57 | |
-..and not as payments. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
-Agriculture on hill farms -can only adapt so much. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:04 | |
-We can't grow crops. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
-We can't diversify - sheep and -beef cattle are our only option. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:13 | |
-The contribution of agriculture -to the rural economy... | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
-..of North and Mid Wales is crucial. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
-1 in every 25 jobs -relies on the sector... | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
-..and up to 90% of the produce -is exported to European markets. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
-Chairing the committee -was Conservative David Davies. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
-Mark Williams, Liz Saville Roberts -and Glyn Davies completed the panel. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
-You're known as someone -who supported Brexit. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
-David Davis recently announced.... | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
-..that there'd be a tariff -on agricultural produce. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
-How will that affect -the rural economy of this area... | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
-..and the hill farms -of Dolgellau and Meirionnydd? | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
-It's not going to be good for this -area, there's no doubt about it... | 0:11:53 | 0:11:58 | |
-..but David Davis -is speaking with honesty. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
-There's a possibility of tariffs. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
-If that happened, -we'd receive more money. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
-We import more than we export. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
-With tariffs, -we'd benefit in financial terms. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
-We expect to help -any sector that loses out. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:19 | |
-At the same time, -David Davis is correct... | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
-..to remember the rest of Europe. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
-If they don't give us a deal... | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
-..we're ready to walk away -without any agreement at all. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
-A lot of people are ready to say -yes, agriculture is important. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
-The reality is -we hear from Westminster... | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
-..that they're ready to consider -all tariffs - this is hard Brexit. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
-What's the reality of that for -farmers and the future of farming? | 0:12:46 | 0:12:50 | |
-What concerns me on top of that -is the level of funding for Wales. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
-Will it reflect the needs of Wales? | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
-Or will it be Brexitted conveniently -and halved? | 0:12:59 | 0:13:04 | |
-That would be disastrous -and unfair for Welsh farmers? | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
-In good faith, political parties -and the Government of Wales... | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
-..has talked about unfettered access -to the single market. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
-Ears may be open but it's how -the UK Government delivers on that. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
-Every step of the way, -the Welsh voice has to be heard. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
-It is so critically important -to the economy... | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
-..of Mid, West and North Wales. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
-Livelihoods are at stake. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
-Yes, there are opportunities. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
-I acknowledge the way -the country voted... | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
-..but we have to get -the right kind of Brexit... | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
-..if our economy is to grow. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
-Presenting the evidence -were union delegates. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
-With subsidies from -the Common Agricultural Plan... | 0:13:46 | 0:13:51 | |
-..worth 274m a year -to Welsh farmers... | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
-..how do the unions think -farmers will adapt? | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
-The end of this two-year period -is the problem. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
-I think there's a chance -for every area of Wales... | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
-..to survive -in five to ten years... | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
-..but to reach that point, -it's important to have a plan... | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
-..to maintain -the economy of rural Wales... | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
-..not just for farmers -but other rural economies too. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:21 | |
-At the heart of my evidence... | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
-..was the value of agriculture -to communities in Wales. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
-In Meirionnydd, -average farm profit... | 0:14:26 | 0:14:30 | |
-..is 11,000. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
-If you took Welsh farms -as a whole... | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
-..they invested 111,000 -into the wider community. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:42 | |
-For me, that proves the value of -agriculture to the local economy. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:48 | |
-People don't appreciate the value -of the Welsh language and culture. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:53 | |
-We also need to ensure -the future for those... | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
-..for our children -and our children's children. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
-Strong views there. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
-Join us after the break -to hear about the important role... | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
-..conservation and the environment -can play on these mountains. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
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-There's no doubt that upland farming -will change after Brexit. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:32 | |
-Will conservation be its salvation? | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
-The future of upland farming after -the Common Agricultural Plan... | 0:15:42 | 0:15:47 | |
-..is under discussion -at this conference in Llanrwst. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:51 | |
-It was organised by the RSPB, Bangor -University and Cynidr Consulting. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:57 | |
-It's important to bring farmers -and conservationists together. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
-We had Glasdir and Tir Gofal -as past schemes. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
-Some farmers, many farmers -weren't happy with what happened. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:11 | |
-Conservationists get things wrong, -farmers get things wrong. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
-We have to learn from past mistakes. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
-One of the speakers -was Professor Peter Midmore... | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
-..an expert in environmental -farming policies of upland Wales. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
-Some of the more pessimistic views -that have been expressed... | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
-..are not really justified. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
-Farmers are very adaptable. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
-We assume they'll have the same -costs and reduced revenues... | 0:16:40 | 0:16:45 | |
-..as a result of Brexit. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:47 | |
-Also, they do have -a certain amount of time to adjust. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
-There will be big structural changes -in the uplands... | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
-..in terms of the intensity -of agriculture that's practised. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
-It throws up challenges but there -are a lot of opportunities. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:05 | |
-For the opportunities -to be realised... | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
-..a strong unified voice is needed -on behalf of farmers in the hills. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
-A message needs to get across -to policy makers. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
-It's not going to be -a treasure chest of new forms... | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
-..of environmental subsidy -that's unlocked by leaving the EU. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
-I think we can look forward -to flexible regulation... | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
-..better targeted means -of supporting farmers. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
-Probably less support -but delivered more efficiently. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
-RSPB Cymru's Land Use Manager -is Arfon Williams. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
-He works with farmers -on a daily basis. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
-What changes does he predict -for upland farmers? | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
-Environmental conservation -could be improved. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
-There are problems -with the quality of water. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
-Wildlife has suffered - -a lot of wildlife has disappeared. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:03 | |
-More needs to be done but as we do -more, there are more opportunities. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
-What will farmers do differently -to maintain a level of funding? | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
-So far, farmers have been forced -to produce. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
-That's the requirement of CAP. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
-In the future, farmers need -to manage their land... | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
-..to benefit the public. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
-They need a sustainable way -to manage land. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
-Gwyn Jones is Chief Executive... | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
-..of the European Forum on -Nature Conservation and Pastoralism. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
-What's his vision for the future? | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
-Our challenge to the policy -is finding a new situation... | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
-..where farmers -have more in their pocket... | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
-..through farming, -not by any other means... | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
-..but that doesn't lead -to more intensity... | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
-..and losing the public resource -that they currently provide. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
-That's quite a challenge. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
-What we've seen is that farming -with a lot of bio-diversity... | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
-..is marginal farming -and that works both ways. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
-Hill farmers haven't improved -their land because they can't do it. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:16 | |
-The fact that they can't improve it -is reflected in their pockets. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
-Is there too much -environmental pressure on farmers? | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
-Could they be paid in the future -for farming the environment... | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
-..and not farming stock? | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
-..and not farming stock? - -I don't agree with the question. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:33 | |
-It's a false dichotomy... | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
-..especially in low intensity areas -and the natural habitat lands. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
-Lots of farmers had the opportunity -to talk at the conference. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
-My message was that cooperation -is crucial in uplands areas. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
-It brings personal benefits -for us... | 0:19:54 | 0:19:56 | |
-..and wider benefits -for the community too. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
-What kind of benefits? | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
-The benefits of healthy food -produced by sustainable means. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
-We store carbon, -we give biodiversity a chance... | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
-..and enhance the catchment scales. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
-Without farmers, we have no animals. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
-Without animals, -we can't manage the land. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:23 | |
-Wales is beautiful, -it has so much to offer taxpayers. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
-We receive taxpayers' money -and we have to justify that. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
-Grazing the land is very important. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
-Agriculture has more to offer -than food production. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
-Will farmers of the future... | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
-..become wardens -of wildlife in upland areas? | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
-Isn't this being done already... | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
-..through environmental -farming schemes? | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
-We've been reducing the stock -through environmental farming... | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
-..and we'll probably -have to swap cattle production... | 0:21:01 | 0:21:07 | |
-..for environmental production... | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
-..but it's crucial that we retain -the animals to manage vegetation... | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
-..and create the habitat -for wildlife. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
-It'll be cheaper than firing up -a polluting diesel engine... | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
-..to produce the landscape -they require. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
-Undoubtedly, upland farmers are -the backbone of rural communities. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:31 | |
-If upland farming isn't supported, -people will move away. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:38 | |
-The Welsh language will suffer -in our schools as a result. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:43 | |
-The Government has set a target -of a million Welsh speakers. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
-Support us here -and the Welsh language will thrive. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
-Do you think it's time -for things to change? | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
-We need to change things. | 0:21:57 | 0:21:59 | |
-It's a system -that's been abused in the past. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:03 | |
-Everything comes to an end -but we can start something anew. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:09 | |
-We could create a positive industry. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
-Agriculture, -like every other industry... | 0:22:17 | 0:22:20 | |
-..faces uncertain times. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
-Is agriculture high -on the priority list... | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
-..for the British -and Welsh governments? | 0:22:27 | 0:22:30 | |
-One thing is certain. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:33 | |
-If upland farming is to continue, -farmers must change and adapt. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:40 | |
-We need a future for hill farms. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:43 | |
-Wildlife in upland areas -rely on them. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
-We must create a system for -the future which is sustainable... | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
-..which includes using -natural resources and ecosystems... | 0:22:52 | 0:22:58 | |
-..and take care of the environment. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
-Central to this, we must continue -to produce traditional foods... | 0:23:01 | 0:23:06 | |
-..from the stock we rear -on the hills. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
-I hope there's a future. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:11 | |
-If there's no future... | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
-..it'll be detrimental -to our environment and society. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
-It's a moral question. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
-If society wants farmers -to provide the produce... | 0:23:19 | 0:23:23 | |
-..we have to give them a fair price. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
-If it's clear that the market -can't provide a fair price... | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
-..the policy must guarantee it. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:32 | |
-Can you live on this land -without subsidies? | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
-No. Simple. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
-S4C Subtitles by Adnod Cyf. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:00 | |
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