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Hello and a very warm welcome to Landward, which this week

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celebrates the produce of our 11,000 miles of coastline and

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takes a look at the seafood we eat, sell and enjoy at home and away.

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I'm on my way to Brussels for the world's largest seafood event,

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Seafood Expo Global,

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along with others from the Scottish fishing industry.

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Now, most of the seafood we produce is not sold at home, but abroad,

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and I want to find out how we go about selling it to the world.

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Also coming up on the programme...

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Sarah gets the lowdown at the fish market.

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I can see a nod from that man over there, what do you do?

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I'll give you a wink, Sarah!

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I'll be investigating a new scheme to protect our waters.

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The protection for these important habitats

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is 50 years behind that on land.

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And Nick tempts the good folk of Glasgow with an unsung hero

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of the seas.

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I'm giving the ecstasy face but it is beautiful.

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ACCORDION MUSIC

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As the world's largest seafood fair,

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Seafood Expo Global gives companies the chance to do business

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with potential buyers and also find a place on the global market.

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Now, we may be a small country, but last year, our seafood industry

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exported a staggering £572 million worth of seafood.

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It's one of our biggest exports and it is vital to our economy.

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But with over 1,600 companies exhibiting here from 75 countries,

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the Scottish industry needs to fight to stand out from the crowd.

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From salmon to shellfish, to white fish and mackerel, Scottish seafood

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businesses need to keep working hard to stay ahead of the competitors.

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And to demonstrate what the Scottish industry

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is capable of producing, Scottish companies selling seafood

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will exhibit right here,

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in this large and very impressive Scottish pavilion.

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Our biggest export by a long, long way is salmon,

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and one small Scottish company hoping to capitalise on this

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are these guys, the Hebridean Smokehouse from North Uist.

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-Christopher, good morning.

-Good morning to you.

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Tell me about your biggest seller. I am presuming it is salmon.

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Our main product is salmon, yes.

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We've sold mail order to pretty much every country in the world

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-since about 1987.

-I presume you are coming here to expand

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-things even more?

-Yes, that's right.

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This is really a showcase for what we do.

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And it is THE place to meet people.

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It's the biggest show in Europe bar none.

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Nolan's, a fish processing company from Aberdeen,

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are using the event to launch their new Pure Scottish branding.

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We want to take the focus, Scottish produce,

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best in the world, out there in the marketplace.

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In previous years, you had to go on the road, you had to visit all

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your customers, took you weeks and weeks and weeks out of your life.

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Now, you can meet them all here in three days.

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Everyone who's anyone is here and all the booths are taken.

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All the bigger companies are represented here.

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And the Scottish shellfish sector are also here to make

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the most of this unique marketing opportunity.

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We have been attending exhibitions

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and making inroads into particularly Asia and China.

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And we hope to meet more of those customers here.

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How big potentially is that area for all Scottish producers?

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Simply massive.

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China could swallow all of our products if we wanted,

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but we want to take our time. And they are right.

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You have got to take your time.

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You have got to learn about the culture, the distribution channels,

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choosing the right partner and we envisage that.

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That's a four or five year process.

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At the moment, the bulk of Scottish seafood exports go to

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European countries like France, Spain and Italy.

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But there is massive potential for opening up new markets.

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The man leading this trade mission is Graham Young,

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chief executive of Seafood Scotland.

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-Is it important to you to have a big presence here?

-Absolutely.

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We have 18 companies on stands and other people what

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they call walking the show, going around meeting people.

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We've got five or six other companies in the hall,

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so a fantastic Scottish presence at the show here this year.

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How much of the seafood we produce in Scotland

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do we actually end up exporting?

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We export a significant quantity of our seafood, to primarily

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France, Spain and Italy, which has been the traditional market.

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And recently we have been looking at other markets in Asia, what

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we call the emerging markets so we are doing quite a lot of work there.

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How difficult, or how much of a challenge is it to break into these emerging markets?

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We've been identifying chefs groups to work with around the world

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and the number of people who have been in Scotland who have gone

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abroad to work, people who have come to Scotland to work,

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they know our produce, they seek it out,

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and it is trying to identify them, the importers and distributers,

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working with those to create the supply chains we want to develop.

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I've been walking around quite a lot of the stands this morning

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and every country says they are the best,

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every country says they are the freshest.

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What gives Scotland the edge, if we indeed have an edge?

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Scotland's reputation goes before it.

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There is a fantastic whiskey industry in the country,

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that's known around the world and we are trying to bring the same

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cues as to why people want to buy whiskey, back into seafood.

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Our salmon is well known around the world so by joining that lot up

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and bringing a Scottish basket of goods together, that is

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what is helping to get us leverage with other countries.

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Later, I'll be finding out what the foreign buyers think of us...

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It is OK to tell your story because no-one else will do it for you,

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and so I'd kind of like to see Scotland shake it up a little bit.

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..and see just how much free food I can scoff.

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But first, Sarah is finding out about a company who want

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to sell more fish to us at home.

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She's been to Kinlochbervie to investigate.

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82, four, six, eight, 20, two, four, six...

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-96, 100...

-It's five o'clock

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and the fish market here in Kinlochbervie is in full swing.

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Boats have landed and we've got cod, haddock, coley, squid,

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an array of fish on offer and the trading is brisk.

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Eight, 100, and two, four, six, £106.

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I'm here with Alan, a local skipper, and what I didn't appreciate

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is that everything on market today is from one boat, your boat?

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-That is correct.

-And you just came in this morning?

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-That is correct, yes.

-My goodness. This is quite a haul.

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There's over 1000 boxes, almost 1,100 boxes,

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-there's about 58 tonne of fish.

-So what fish, if any, are you targeting?

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-We are targeting monk.

-Where does the monk go?

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-It's mainly Italy and Spain.

-So most of the monk goes abroad?

-Yes.

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And how much of the fish here today will stay in the UK?

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-Percentage-wise, maybe 40%.

-40%.

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But would you like to see more fish stay in...

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I would love to see more fish stay in the UK.

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There are several reasons,

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relatively little of the Scottish catch stays at home.

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For many years, the Europeans have bulk-bought species that the

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UK market has been traditionally wary of.

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So even as tastes at home have become more adventurous, it has been

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easier and more profitable to keep selling the fish abroad.

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But one of the buyers here, Stroopy,

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is sourcing seafood for the local market.

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I haven't seen you bid yet, have you been bidding?

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-I have been, aye, haven't you noticed?

-what is your bid technique?

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I can see a nod from that man over there, what do you do?

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I'll give you a wink, Sarah!

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Some of what Stroopy has brought is destined for a new,

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small local company with an innovative way of distribution.

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That company is owned by Magnus Houston

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and they also buy from smaller boats fishing from local harbours.

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Building on the popularity of the veg box movement,

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the company distribute fish boxes to individuals

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and restaurants across Scotland and further south.

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I've come to meet Magnus at his base in Inverness.

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Everything comes in and it's all hands-on on deck?

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We sort them all out, we package them up

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and what we're doing here is we are skimming off what

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we want for local customers and the rest of it, we send away to Europe.

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So where did the whole idea come from?

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-Basically, I am not from a fishing background.

-What is your background?

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-Er, a motorcycle racer, before that!

-A motorcycle racer?

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From motorcycle racing to fish boxes?

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Yes, basically I had an accident which stopped me racing

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and me and my girlfriend went up to the West Coast to see one of her

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friends and her husband had a wee lobster boat in Kylesku,

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and we went out in the lobster boat and I just thought, this is for me.

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So I started fishing and...

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Less dangerous, I suspect, than motorcycle racing.

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Only slightly, I would say. Only slightly.

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At that time I hadn't tried lobster,

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I hadn't tried brown crab, and I used to take some home at night

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and me and my girlfriend would cook it up and we were sitting there

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basically eating it going, how can everyone get this?

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Once the amazing array of seafood has come in, the clock is ticking

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to get it sorted, filleted and packed as quickly as possible.

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But it does throw up a few occupational hazards.

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What's the key to holding a crab? Stay away from the...

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Grab it from the back.

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Just like that, but it will still get you.

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It will still get you. Let's have a go.

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Oh, oh!

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-Squeeze the back.

-Oh, squeeze the back? Oh!

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Just like other fruit and veg box schemes, the emphasis

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is very much on seasonality and what is available at the time of year.

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Also on the team is Magnus's partner Fiona.

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So how does the system work?

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Basically, customers can sign up to a fish box

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-and they choose how much they want to spend.

-How do you keep it fresh?

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We send out the fish boxes in these little poly boxes.

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So that keeps it cold

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but what we also do is pop in these frozen gel packs.

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The boxes then go to customers across the country.

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The popularity of the fish box scheme shows there is a growing appetite

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for fresh and varied seafood close to home.

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Because a lot of what was landed goes directly abroad, it is difficult

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to get hold of, and perhaps more of us should be demanding

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that the fresh fish, the amazing array of fresh fish

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that is landed here and in other ports, stays on our shores.

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Back here in Brussels, it looks like the battle to keep more

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Scottish seafood at home could be a long one.

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There's no shortage of foreign buyers showing interest

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in the Scottish stands.

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There are lots of other countries who do scampi and scallops,

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why do you choose Scottish produce in particular?

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-It's for the quality.

-It's all about quality?

-Yes.

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And would you like to develop this relationship

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and buy more Scottish produce?

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Yes, for sure!

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That's why I'm here!

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But while the quality may speak for itself, Scottish businesses need to

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market themselves effectively to stay ahead of the competition.

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Polly Legandre is a brand specialist in the food industry.

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I think Scotland should do a little bit more reaching out

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and pulling that in and owning a little bit of that modernity,

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owning that attitude, not just being stuck in the classic

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"this is how we always do it, this is how we've always done,"

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and showing up a little bit more innovation,

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a little bit more creation and owning that story.

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It's OK to tell your story and toot your own horn,

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cos nobody else is going to do it for you.

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So I would kind of like to see Scotland shake it up a bit

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and try to pull people in and say no, seriously,

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we're really onto something here.

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An essential part of the Scottish story are the clean waters

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we fish from.

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I've been to find out how the appetite for seafood can be

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balanced against the protection of the marine environment.

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Scotland's seas are home to some stunning creatures.

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From the tiny jewel anemone to the vast basking shark.

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All part of a complex ecosystem that needs protection from human

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exploitation like dredging and drilling.

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The Scottish government is legally required to set up

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a network of marine protected areas around our shores.

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The plan is to have them in place by 2016.

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Earlier this month, the government's own advisers recommended

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that 33 different areas should be protected.

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These are the suggested MPAs.

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They are not designed to manage fish stocks.

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They are more like nature reserves at sea,

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planned to protect habitats or species.

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Anything from this ocean quahog which can live to 400 years,

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to the critically endangered common skate.

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But can these marine protected areas make any difference to our seas,

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and at what costs to fishermen?

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That is what I want to investigate.

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First up is Loch Fyne

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where I am meeting Calum Duncan from the Marine Conservation Society.

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-Hi, Dougie, nice to see you.

-Nice to see you.

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Part of Loch Fyne is a proposed MPA.

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Why do these areas need protecting?

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Well, on land, we are used to areas for farming, for forestry

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but there are also areas recognised as important for wildlife,

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local nature reserves, national nature reserves.

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And we need to think of the sea in the same way, the sea bed

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and the life above it.

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There is a whole range of uses that we can have of the sea

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but the protection for these important habitats

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is 50 years behind that on land,

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and that is why these new marine protected areas are so important.

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Exactly what type of fishing is allowed in each zone is still

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to be confirmed and will vary.

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Many people think the network of MPAs will succeed or fail

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depending on how strictly fishing is controlled within them,

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particularly types of fishing where gear is towed along the sea bed

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like scallop dredging.

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-How are you?

-Very good, welcome on board.

-Thank you very much.

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David Ainslie is taking me out on to the Firth of Lorn to see a stretch

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of water that has already been protected for the last seven years.

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He campaigned to have scallop dredging banned here

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and succeeded in 2007.

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David is convinced that the sea floor is recovering well,

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but surprisingly, even a rocky reef in the firth

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alongside the dredged area is changing, too.

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We have lots of film of what that reef was like

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while dredging was going on.

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And we have lots of film of the same part of the reef now that

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dredging has stopped.

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Now, in the old days, jewel anemones were very colourful

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anemones which kind of form a band underneath the kelp.

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You could hardly find them in the Firth of Lorn.

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-There was the odd bunch, but that was it.

-Yes.

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Now, this reef and a number of other reefs have really quite

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healthy populations of jewel anemones.

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In these pictures taken before the dredging ban,

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you can clearly see sediment lying on the surface of the rock.

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David believes this is silt kicked up by dredging

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that smothers out jewel anemones,

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which need clear water in the summer months to thrive.

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These pictures filmed after dredging had been banned show

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the colourful anemones blooming.

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People might say you wouldn't stop us dredging just to protect

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a few anemones,

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but they are bit like the canary the miners used to take into the mines.

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They are an indicator of the health of the ecosystem.

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If the jewel anemones are doing well,

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then everything else is probably quite good.

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But, does all this protection come at a cost for fishermen?

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Archie McFarlane from the Clyde Fishermen's Association

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is concerned that if MPAs control fishing to strictly,

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they could put some of his members out of business.

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He is also frustrated that fishermen are often accused

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of not caring about conservation.

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We recognise the importance of protecting the marine environment.

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After all, our future depends on a good healthy ecosystem

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and to be able to take our catch out of that ecosystem.

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Local fishermen have voluntarily restricted their fishing

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in some areas.

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In Loch Shira we don't fish in there

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to protect the fireworks anemone.

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Around the point here,

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we have got a depth restriction to protect the seagrass beds.

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The features are protected and it's worked really well.

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If the proposals that we see so far are carried through

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and it could mean the exclusion of fishing activity from certain areas,

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and that's going to be a big issue,

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that's going to cause a lot of financial pain.

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It seems clear that if Marine Protected Areas are to have any

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impact, they are going to have to be ambitious and properly enforced.

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But fishing is a crucial component of the rural economy.

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So in the coming months, the government

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is going to have to strike a balance between conservation

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and protecting people's livelihoods.

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Back in Brussels, everyone is enjoying free food.

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Nice work if you can get it.

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One of the great things about coming to an event like this is

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trying all the samples that are on offer and the centrepiece

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of the Scottish pavilion is the Scottish seafood bar.

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Kevin, can I come round here? Good to see you. Do you need a hand?

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-Yes, here's an apron for you, Dougie.

-I'll take my gear off.

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So, Dougie we're going to cook up some beautiful

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Scottish scallops here.

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-Get the pan nice and hot.

-Nice hot pan, yes.

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-Oh, lovely.

-Some nice plump scallops.

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The secret of cooking the scallops is not to move them all, the pan.

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Don't be starting shaking the pan about.

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Keep the pan still so the scallop seals.

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We get a nice caramelisation on the scallops.

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Now, one thing I've really noticed is when you are cooking here,

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people just flock to this place.

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Having the Scottish reputation,

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is that quite important with the stuff you're actually cooking?

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Yeah, yeah, without a doubt.

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We've been cooking here the past two or three days

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and as soon as we start cooking, the crowds just...

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It's fantastic, the amount of people.

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And they appreciate what we're cooking

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and asking questions about it.

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It's not just people grazing.

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People actually inquisitive about what we're doing.

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Are these people who understand,

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are they from the European market or from all over the world?

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All over the world, yeah, very much so.

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-Ready. Nice and juicy.

-Don't look there.

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There's thousands of people already. We've just started.

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Lots of people are starting to smell things.

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-One that got away.

-Easy now.

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OK, and that's just a wee cup of gorgeous Scottish scallops.

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-How's your arm there?

-Very hot.

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THEY LAUGH

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-You're not meant to roast your arm.

-No, try not roasting your arm.

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Lovely. Here we go.

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-Sensational.

-Tasty? Very simple and tasty. That's the secret.

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-And cooked in a minute and a half or something?

-Yeah, minute and a half.

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Incredible. I clearly can not cook. There's no doubt about that,

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but our man Nick Nairn knows a thing or two

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when it comes to cooking seafood and he is in Glasgow just now

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trying to convince the good people there to take to hake.

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I'll scoff this in the meantime.

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This week, the street food van is in Buchanan Street.

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And of course, because the Landward street food van is a partnership,

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-I'm again joined by Sarah.

-Thank you very much, Nick.

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Later on, Nick and I are going to be heading out on to the streets to

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find out what the lovely people of Glasgow make of what we made.

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Speaking of which, what are we making?

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-We're going to make fishcakes with hake.

-Hake?

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Sometimes, half of the Peterhead Market, which is

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the biggest fish market in the whole of Europe is hake

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and often the whole lot goes to Spain, but it's highly prized.

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So tell me more about hake. It looks a bit like cod. It's very meaty.

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It's very meaty. It's similar to cod.

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A slightly different bone structure. It's got quite a dense texture.

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-It makes a brilliant fishcake or a hake cake.

-A hake cake.

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-Shall we get started? We're going to make some hake cakes.

-What can I do?

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I've taken a whole side of hake

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and baked that in a hot oven with a little bit of water and butter for

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about eight minutes and then just let it cool in the water and butter.

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It now needs to be flaked so if you just take...

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Oh, look, lovely.

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It's actually very translucent.

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When you're cooking fish for fishcakes, don't overcook it.

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Hake, of all the fish,

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will take a little bit more cooking than something like cod.

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Cod, you would cook for six minutes.

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A piece of hake, about eight minutes.

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So what we're going to do is just enough mashed potato.

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There's nothing in this mash. There's no cream or butter.

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-Just enough that you can bind it together.

-Right.

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-Freshly chopped parsley. In we go there.

-I'm not going to bind yet?

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A little bit of seasoning, salt, some freshly ground black pepper.

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If you could pass it because your hands are hakey. Mine aren't.

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-And then a little bit of lemon zest.

-OK.

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I'm not going to put an awful lot of flavouring in this

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because I really want people to be able to taste the fish

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and a little bit of the juice of the lemon as well. That's it.

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It really is that simple.

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Once again, you're doing all the hard work. I'm just standing with...

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-No, you're going to do this.

-OK.

-I'm going to stand and watch

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as you gently use your hands to bring it together.

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-Feel the fish, feel the potatoes.

-I'm feeling the heat.

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You're caressing them. You're not munching them.

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You don't want to break down the hake too much.

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You want to mix the whole thing together.

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So I think actually if you carry on doing that,

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I'll take these over and start cooking them. You carry on.

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OK, no worries. In a loving way.

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Most fishcakes would be covered in breadcrumbs and deep fried,

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but these, we're doing them like a traditional Scottish soda scone.

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We're just doing them in flour and then we'll cook them

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on the griddle plate.

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We'll just cook them for two or three minutes

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until you get a nice little crust starting to form

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-and there's no sizzle because it's griddling rather than frying.

-Yeah.

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We should have a bit of colour on the outside.

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-But do you see that scone-like look?

-Yes.

-That's what we're looking for.

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-Don't they look delicious?

-They do look amazing, yeah, I have to say.

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-Let's go.

-Will the public like hake cakes?

-Who knows?

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Taste one. Tell me first of all if you like it.

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Secondly, what fish it is.

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-I'll try it. He's not a fish lover.

-Not a fish lover.

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-Very fishy.

-I'll give you the ecstasy face. It's beautiful.

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-Absolutely lovely.

-What do you think?

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-I think it tastes great actually.

-Not much of a flavour.

-OK.

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-Not a great taste.

-It depends what you add to it.

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-What's this?

-Fishcake.

-This is a fishcake.

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-So would you eat much fish at home?

-He's better looking in the flesh.

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He's better looking in the flesh!

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-Is it hake?

-What?!

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Well done. You have a very educated palette. Yes, it is.

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That means, everybody around here now knows exactly what it is.

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Do you know, I don't like fishcake, but that's gorgeous. Ten out of ten.

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-That's a result.

-You have a convert.

-That's a result.

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OK, one sad cake left. What are we going to do, share it?

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-I think we should share it.

-Right. I haven't tasted them so let's go.

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-Well, yummy. Very good.

-Delicious.

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-You've done an amazing job, can I just tell you?

-Thank you very much.

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We've had a fantastic time here in Buchanan Street with the

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Landward street food van, but we'll be back again later in the series.

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Of course, if you've got something that you would like Nick to cook

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then get in touch with us. Details are on our website.

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After three days of gorging on seafood, it's almost time for the

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buyers and sellers, along with the freeloading seafood

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fanatics like me, to head back to Scotland.

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But not before I've had a chance to catch up with some of those Scots

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who have been visiting Brussels, including Magnus and Fiona

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who Sarah met earlier.

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This is the biggest seafood show in the world

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and everyone is here including all the software guys.

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From salmon to white fish to shell fish, it's all here,

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it's all under nine buildings.

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It's incredible how big it is, isn't it? It's just extraordinary.

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-Yeah, I think we've probably done not even a quarter of it.

-I know.

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We always seem to come back to the Scottish pavilion

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and have a cup of tea.

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I know, it's massive.

0:26:540:26:56

Also here is skipper Alan Addison who

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we met landing his catch at Kinlochbervie.

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-What have you thought so far of the show, Alan?

-The show's very good.

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It's exceptional to see all the seafood.

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It puts Scottish produce in perspective in a global scale.

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Uh-huh.

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We know our product's good, but it's got to step up to the mark

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and be very good, excellent.

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I think our product is better than anybody else's.

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It's fresh, it's sustainable. Our stocks are super-healthy.

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No, I think we have got the edge on a lot of the others here.

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Wandering around here and talking to people, it's clear that,

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despite being a small country,

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we are doing pretty well in the seafood sector,

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but with markets emerging all the time around the globe,

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it's really important we continue to market our world-class produce.

0:27:450:27:49

Now I'm leaving and heading back to Scottish shores

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for next week's programme.

0:27:520:27:54

Euan's back in the farmyard.

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I'm in the lambing sheds with the world's ugliest sheep, the Texel.

0:27:580:28:02

-You might disagree.

-I think you'll find that's personal preference.

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There's not a sheep can compete with it.

0:28:050:28:09

Sarah goes in search for a cure for a fatal horse disease.

0:28:090:28:13

It is one of the great unsolved mysteries of veterinary science

0:28:130:28:16

and a disease which, above all others, horse owners dread.

0:28:160:28:20

And we meet a young Scottish athlete who's covering

0:28:220:28:25

the miles in pursuit of gold.

0:28:250:28:27

So please join us for that

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and much more at the slightly later time next Friday night 7.30pm

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on BBC Two Scotland.

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In the meantime, from all the Landward team here in Brussels,

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thanks so much for your company. Bye for now.

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