12/03/2017 Scrum V


12/03/2017

Sarra Elgan and Ross Harries are joined by Gwyn Jones, Peter Jackson, Martyn Williams, Jonathan Davies and Shane Byrne to look back at Wales's Six Nations match against Ireland.


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Friday night rugby at the principality stadium in Cardiff,

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Wales with something to prove after two defeats.

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Long pass to Leigh Halfpenny! Back with a vengeance! What a finish,

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that is brilliant. Sexting going to the sin-bin. Jones with the try!

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Charged down by Faletau, Roberts over the line! Wales have just won

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the counter in a pulsating, enthralling game. -- the encounter.

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Good evening and welcome to Scrum V. It was also waiting and enthralling,

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all those things, and Wales delivered a performance we can all

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be proud of. Judging by the look on you lot, you have had a pretty good

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weekend. Behind me is the kayaks and to my right...

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By the bar as always we have Mr Sean Holley in the house! I think those

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beer barrels have run dry because drowning his sorrows all afternoon

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has been Ken Byrne. Shall we get our guests out? Please welcome Jonathan

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Davies... Peter Jackson... Wyn Jones and Martyn Williams.

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Evening, gents. You should have got addressed before you came out. You

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are smiling, good start. On a scale from one to ten, how much better

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with that? Good performance. The speed of the rocks was a lot better.

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-- the rucks. Terrific Test match, I think 47 in play so it was very

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high. Many things to commend but what about the defensive showing?

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Unbelievable. Second half we didn't have much of the ball and the

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defence was superb. When the final whistle went there was hardly any

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celebration from the Welsh boys, they collapsed, they had given

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everything. Unbelievable performance. We did see some

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celebration from the coaches' box. How much will this have relieved the

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pressure for the coaches? He was the only person in Wales who didn't want

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to make changes. He was putting his coaching credentials on the line by

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being so stubborn, determined, whatever you call it, letting the

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players would deem themselves. Had he lost it would have been curtains

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for his long-term future perhaps in terms of the job but he made a big

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call, stuck with it, he won and he has been vindicated to an extent and

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he will be very relieved with that performance. A lot at stake for the

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coaches and players as well. George North, did he take some kind of

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magic potion. They have to find some way of unleashing another 100

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rockets this week to get the same sort of performance. Credit where it

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was due, it was terrific, Rob Howley, decent bloke, delighted for

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him. I am delighted most of all for the fans because I think they have

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been short-changed this season. Does this compensate for the other

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performances? Certainly not but it was great to reconnect with Wales

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and the team. It struck me, something you can lose sight of

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easily, how much it means to the Welsh public. So many happy faces.

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You are pleased for them because they have been aching for a

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performance like this. You probably would have to get a psychologist to

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ask you, why does it take torrents of criticism to produce that?

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Players don't try to lose a Test match. You need to be there. There

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are two incidences against Scotland, defence of individual errors, should

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have one the match, England, they should have kicked the ball into

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touch immediately. They just didn't get over the line against England

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but it was good. You can say if Henshaw didn't do what he did... We

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will get into that. Shane Byrne, how are you? What is the perspective

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from an Irish point of view? Brilliant! I will continue getting

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the chance to drown my short -- my sorrows but they are only giving the

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water. There is a big sense of disappointment and a little tinge of

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anger with Joe Schmidt. Afterwards he is always very calm and measured

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and we get the feeling that maybe it is time, we expect he is doing it in

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training, but get out the sword and absolutely hammer it. We don't have

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a rudder down the pitch, the attack was too predictable, and it fed into

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it. You can't allow Welsh tales to be upcoming you can't let the crowd

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getting behind it and that is what they did. Very disappointing. It

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sounds like very familiar accusations, no creativity in the

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attack, etc. First, let's relive the highlights of what went down on

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Friday night. This time we can do it without the tension.

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Williams again. Dan Biggar. Zebo has it. But the kick in. Dan Biggar

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heads back. Very well played by Dan Biggar. He watches, goes to ground,

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can Joel -- cajoles the ball over line. Very good play. Ken Owens

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throws, one button wins the line-out. Moriarty to Rhys Webb.

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Scott Williams is through, passed to Leigh Halfpenny, to George North.

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Nor is back with a vengeance! -- George North is. Great support play,

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brilliant passing, great vision. The support they have lacked in past

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games, what a finish from George North. What does it mean to him to

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be back in that fashion! Jake Ball. It is a penalty for Wales at last.

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Two halfpenny, Jonathan Davies, a foot short. -- to Leigh Halfpenny.

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Advantage again, yellow card. Jonny Sexton is going into the

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sin-bin. Really killing the ball on the line.

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Leigh Halfpenny lands the penalty. Ken Owens prepares the throw, five

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metres from the Irish line. Arlene Wyn Jones.

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A second try. Great vision, he sucks Zebo in and schools. He has made

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such a mark on this game. -- in and he scores. It is there for Marmian.

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Sean O'Brien, Sam Warburton tries to grab the ball. Ringrose. A high

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tackle, accidental but the penalty is still given. The referee says it

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is still a high tackle. Jonny Sexton masterminding the Irish comeback.

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15-9. Clever play by Ireland. Scott

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Charteris getting near the ball and on comes Best. Rory Best edges

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closer. No, I can't allow it. I think the forwards will be

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absolutely crazy because it seemed to be going in the right direction,

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seemed to be slowly... Henshaw comes in and goes in front of the ball and

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reignites the drive. He has disallowed it and given the penalty.

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Shelters the ball for Marmian. Sexton. It is narrow, it has gone

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wrong for Ireland, but has it gone backward? It has gone forwards.

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Ireland trailed by six points. Sexton, charged down by Faletau.

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Roberts... Roberts! Wales have just won the counter. -- encounter. Sam

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Davies knocks on, the game is over, Wales have the victory. They have

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beaten Ireland 22-9. That is how the 80 minutes panned

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out. Let's hear from those involved on the night. The players I thought

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have been outstanding since the Scotland game, very honest about

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where praise of 15, 20 minutes after the second half. ? Their appraisal.

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We all felt they wanted to go out against the best supporters in world

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rugby and give a performance that they are proud of and I think they

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certainly did that. I don't think it was about proving a

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point to anybody outside the camp, if that makes sense. Like Robert

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said, there was a bit of Hertha the individual in the group. It was

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difficult, a lot of fingers have been pointed from outside the squad

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but from inside the squad I haven't known a closer group. They are

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quality players, we know them from playing week in week out in the

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Pro12. We weren't saying there was any kind of demise, we knew this

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would be a tough test and it proved to be that. You have to get people

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on your side when you play aside as good as they are. They played really

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well, their set pieces and defence were strong. I think we have

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answered the questions from the coaches today. There are still parts

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to improve the me and the squad but we can be pleased what we did

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without the ball, that we still went for it forthright at the end, so

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there is ambition there and on the whole we can take that but there

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will be areas of improvement. We played quite smart but probably

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disappointed in terms of the contact area, the back row in particular.

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Was that a concerted effort to play closer to the gain line or was that

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Ireland's defence? Probably a bit of both. High risk, high reward staff

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they were playing and we were probably a bit too wide on

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occasions, leaving the ball in the air too long. We probably should

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have played on the inside channels more. And training park on Monday we

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against France, they probably one of the best sides in the championship

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will stop we know how to win there but we have to make sure that our

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attitude this week is the same as last week. We will put huge pressure

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on ourselves on Monday morning to pimp -- to improve on that

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performance because we will need to in Paris.

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How do we interpret this win? We have sat here for weeks on end

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tearing in two our performances. Completely satisfied? I don't think

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they are so we shouldn't. I think Alan win said people will be

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euphoric walking to the pubs, but they felt the pressure and gave a

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performance for the supporters. The ruck speed was better, they looked

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more creative, they lost the battle, which we are so good at, but we can

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do a lot more offensively. England were brilliant yesterday. If you see

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spot defenders coming out like Sexton, send a big man over the top

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of him, because he has a history of injuries. When he makes a lot of

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tackles he gets that he so when he gets the ball he is not as effective

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or you just get an inside ball and run on the inside of him. A lot of

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things need to be improved but I thought it was a far better

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performance and we answered a lot of questions that were asked previously

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in the tournament. Some of those questions were to a Wales team in

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decline, searching for an identity? To what extent do you think that

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marks a significant turning point? I don't think it necessarily marks a

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turning point. We know that in a street fight this side are as good

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as anybody, against England it was 15-9 until the last few minutes, an

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old story of blood and thunder rugby. We have impressive

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physicality. Attacking, we scored three tries against Ireland, one

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against England and against Scotland, all from the first phase.

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Our phase play doesn't create tries, the more we go through phases the

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less likely we are to break them down. We have to get better at that

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and it is hard. It tells you we have the chance our I'm a bit more from

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first phase. It was good to see ten minutes into the game we had a

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line-out in our half, we went wide, got the ball into George North's

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hands, he knocked the opposing player head over heels and he got us

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going. I have been crying out for them to do that. We use these words

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like earn the right to go white, we didn't earn anything, we just went

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wide. -- go wide. We are rubbish through the phases, get a penalty,

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counterattack and turnovers, that is where we scored tries, and that is

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maybe getting through to them a bit now. In terms of a team under

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pressure, character, attitude, that is where the defence came in and it

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was outstanding. On the defence, you touched on it at the top, 100

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tackles in the second half, backs to the wall stuff, Shaun Edwards was

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absolutely pumped, you could see him in the stands. He will be delighted

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because it has been poor at times during the campaign but what does it

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tell asked about the spirit and unity in the squad that they held

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that line intact? It was two individual mistakes against

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Scotland. The defence has been good. Warburton and Tippett on Friday

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night really stood up, Ireland threw everything at us, whether the aerial

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battle, they won the high balls but we stopped the driving line up. They

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said Bob that. It -- they sent O'Brien down and we stop to that.

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62% possession for them and we stood firm.

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Decision-making was much better. When Ireland went down to 14 men we

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haven't always taken advantage of that, Australia in the World Cup

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being an example. Mentally we looked stronger. I thought Wales looked

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smart, and impressive all-round performance, they made the most of

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Sexton's time. Tomorrow morning they will think they must have missed a

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trick. It happened in the last 30 seconds when George North made the

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last of his career ring runs, he had the ball in one hand, said I am not

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going to pass it to anybody, but after two tackles there was a simple

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inside pass to Gareth, which probably would have given him a

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clear run between the posts. Bonus points can get you up a place, the

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difference between fourth and second, where Wales are now and

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where they could conceivably be. What we were good at as well,

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against Scotland, they off-loaded. On this occasion they didn't hand

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the possession over. When we start losing, everybody is going, change

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this and that, the best players in Wales play for Wales at the moment

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and we don't have the strength in depth people think. We need more

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performance directing, the coaches are doing as much as they can at

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Academy and regional level. We need people to say, we will improve these

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players. When you look at somebody like Jamie Roberts who has done the

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job to ten years, he hasn't improved much as a player but he has done the

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job he needed. Scott Williams, Jonathan Davies, they need to work

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on their kicking, Dan Biggar has to be a bit flatter, Halfpenny... We

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need somebody to say, get these players better at international

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level. We have the best players there but we're not seeing the best

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of them. He is talking himself into a jot! Luckily I see somebody like

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Johnny Wilkinson. -- a job. Andrew John in Australia, he goes around

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and he meant is. We say change this, change that, we don't have the

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players. You mean an individual consultant or a skills coach. Just

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say, he to work on his kicking. Farrell looks so confident, England

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against Scotland, straighten up, they held ten, 12 and 13, didn't

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want -- didn't know what to do with dummy runs. If we don't make changes

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we want know if we have got any depth. We are approaching two years

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out of the next World Cup and we have maybe given three new caps

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since the last one. How do we know, if Dan Biggar goes down with injury,

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you don't want sub Eddie who has barely played a few minutes to come

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on. -- somebody who has. I agree that individual skills should be

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improved but unless we put boys on the pitch and find out how good they

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are we will never know. It is like Ross Moriarty, who would have said

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that he would be playing instead of Tony Faletau by the end of the

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tournament? It was accident rather than design. England and Ireland are

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testing players out, granted, they have done it from a position of

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strength, but you have to do it. There was a graphic, you may have

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seen it on the BBC coverage, showing Wales at the bottom of that table.

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You have Argentina at the top, 26 new caps since the last World Cup.

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Wales, only three, Sam Davies, Cory Hill and Ellis Jenkins. Unless we

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give these ball was -- boys ago we don't know whether they are at test

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level. It is twofold, the coaches feel they are under so much pressure

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they can't experiment. If they lose everybody gets on their case. As

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well we don't have the strength in depth we think we have, but we

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always see the third game, the game against the lesser nations, throw

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everybody in. It is impossible for those players to gel together. We

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need to drip feed them in. We never do that and those boys always go in

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en masse, against Japan or Fiji. They lose against Fiji and they are

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written off. -- against Samoa. We had a chat about the autumn lasted,

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if they don't lose by 30 points against Australia, they put players

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and against Japan, but because you lose heavily you can sense the

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pressure. In the camp you think, shall we make changes? In the camp

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everybody gets nervous and it is all about winning so it is a balance. It

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was inexcusable for them to not play Keelan Giles against Japan. With all

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respect to Japan, it is not as big as the game last Friday. My views on

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that are well-known. I thought it was inexcusable that they didn't cap

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Steph Evans. We have one more game left in the time and so we will talk

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about that but we have to yesterday's game to talk about.

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I think Rob Howley gave all of those players an opportunity to redeem

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themselves in terms of effort and commitment they did that. To get a

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result against a good Irish side, under so much pressure, keeping

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going to the end shows real determination in the squad. Great

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performance, gutsy. I said before the game that I thought we would

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edge a win and we got across the line and the effort was tremendous,

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the defensive effort was one of the best I have seen. It was certainly a

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universe away from the second half against Scotland. But I thought the

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game was won by the defence. When they review the game they've will

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feel it was one that got away. I thought Wales were magnificent but

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Ireland are usually proud of themselves and they create the

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options but they didn't tonight. Credit to Wales, magnificent

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defensive performance from the first minute. I think we pinched three

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line-outs in critical areas of the game. What pleased me was the way we

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stopped the Irish driving line and ported their confidence. No matter

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how good they were going into the game, all teams are the same on the

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back foot. When Sexton went off they looked a bit lost and when they came

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back on we were dangerous. We mixed the game Opera North and I was

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chuffed the George North, a lot of pressure and Giroud Lee wanted it.

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-- we mixed the game up a lot. With the warning he has had, that first

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try meant more to him than the rest of the stadium put together. It will

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be a different sort of game against the French, they are coming back,

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they will have a powerful scrum, so a bigger test than today. A terrific

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victory tonight and why can't they go to France and when? But have done

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in the past and have had a lot of success there in recent years. --

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France and to win. The two standout performances so far were Rhys Webb

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and Conor Murray. And almost overwhelmingly positive

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performance from those at the stadium. What did you think? Lots of

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stuff to analyse. Some fine margins meant it could have gone another way

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but I prefer to concentrate on the positives. Some of the fine margins,

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the smaller things, are what the coaches are pleased about. Look at

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Dan Biggar trapped in the bottom corner, not just clears but takes

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its 60 metres downfield, his forwards would be pleased. Look at

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Williams coming in, Henshaw is over the ball and he does his job,

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something that doesn't get noticed. This is not a perfect tackle by

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Leigh Halfpenny but enough to rescue it. Would any other player have done

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this on the night, the composure to do this, sublime skill from Dan

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Biggar? The set piece, Ireland attacked but the scrum was rock

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solid, if not on top. We scored some crucial line-outs in crucial

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positions. Luke Charteris's first intervention was to get in front and

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steal it from Best. There were critical moments in the game, this

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is the head injury assessment. Paddy Jackson was on fresh tomato time and

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Wales were smart. The top of the jump and a great lift. Moriarty

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looks like he is going into a more but he peels out. Rhys Webb in the

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ten position and Jackson has a lot to do. He leaves O'Brien a bit high

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and dry on the dogleg. Scott Williams goes through and great

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insights about from Scott Webb. Straight to Carney, leaving the

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space outside. Great skills and George North back to his best, does

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the rest. The next critical moment only with the yellow card, was it

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not? When sextant gets in here Wales are smart, Jonathan Davies and the

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boys know what they are doing. -- when sextant gets in. It is the

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correct decision to go to the sin-bin. Wales were at it even at

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half-time, they came out early and warmed up. Look at Tipuric and

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Moriarty goes to zero, puts it in behind and Leigh Halfpenny but Conor

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Murray off the field. They needed to score when they were a man down and

:29:31.:29:33.

they took their chance really well. Look at George North behind the --.

:29:34.:29:42.

All Irish eyes are on the maul. Rory Best is committed to the forward

:29:43.:29:48.

drive. Conor Murray is in there protecting were Sexton should have

:29:49.:29:54.

been. A great score. Up the other end, did Ireland score here? No.

:29:55.:30:00.

Henshaw the centre joins in front of the ball carrier, Rory Best. That is

:30:01.:30:05.

illegal, Barnes is on the spot once again. Some of the individual

:30:06.:30:08.

performances and Warburton was immense. I've together in hand, it

:30:09.:30:14.

kicked out. They seemed Do you want to pick up on a few of

:30:15.:30:47.

those critical point is that were mentioned their? Henshaw joining the

:30:48.:30:54.

rolling maul? How infuriated but you have been as a back? You would

:30:55.:31:02.

think, because they love Patterson, they have these ten man line-ups,

:31:03.:31:06.

they would know the laws, but these backs... We were lucky because they

:31:07.:31:11.

were over and that was a turning point certainly in the second half

:31:12.:31:14.

because they were all waiting for the conversion to go ahead. And Sean

:31:15.:31:21.

made the point that it was exactly the right decision. Mick has

:31:22.:31:27.

admitted that afterwards, completely right decision, no controversy at

:31:28.:31:33.

all. If you are a forward there you are thinking, what does he do?

:31:34.:31:38.

Kicked the conversion, they go in front. We say in rugby, so often,

:31:39.:31:43.

small margins are turning points. But there, with Sexton... That

:31:44.:31:55.

analysis was spot-on. Because he's lip and a Brayan Garcia loosely

:31:56.:31:59.

top-class players, and to reduce them, really to stand-by rolls on

:32:00.:32:08.

Friday night took some doing. He's lost the captaincy but he's playing

:32:09.:32:15.

the best rugby of his life. If we don't control the runners at the

:32:16.:32:18.

front five then our back row gets sucked in and then out the game and

:32:19.:32:22.

your standards are running at 10-12, but the front five did the job so

:32:23.:32:26.

well, they involve the back row not getting it tackle areas, and then

:32:27.:32:34.

they put in the hits. I thought that Tipuric was more effective

:32:35.:32:36.

defensively than I have ever seen him before. We have not seen him

:32:37.:32:40.

live a place for the Ospreys being creative but he did a different job

:32:41.:32:46.

on Friday night very well. Who, I want that Welsh 18 will have

:32:47.:32:53.

enhanced their France credentials? One guy who has been consistent is

:32:54.:32:57.

Ken Owens, throughout the tournament, he's been outstanding,

:32:58.:32:59.

the standout hooker over the four games. He has hit his jumpers in the

:33:00.:33:05.

line-out and scrummaged really well and has tackled well. So for me, he

:33:06.:33:18.

is outstanding. That is the calling from Alun Wyn Jones. Expecting to

:33:19.:33:22.

win the ball, then to lose it. And the back row boys, all three of

:33:23.:33:28.

them, Moriarty, again, hard grafting. And their physicality was

:33:29.:33:40.

superb. You mentioned Ken Owens. As the celebration and to get them on

:33:41.:33:46.

the line, to be their? Look at them, full of emotion. Let's talk about

:33:47.:33:50.

Ken Owens and the battle between him and Rory Best. What do you make of

:33:51.:33:55.

it? Ken has been fantastic through the Six Nations. Even when the

:33:56.:33:58.

performances have not been wonderful, he has shown himself all

:33:59.:34:01.

the way through the season to be a great player. Rory Best, on the day,

:34:02.:34:08.

he can't be happy with just being a good book on the day. He is also the

:34:09.:34:13.

leader on the pitch. And that was starting to slip, no doubt about it.

:34:14.:34:16.

It was something that came up in the game previously, his debate with

:34:17.:34:20.

Sexton about whether to go for the posts go for the corner and he

:34:21.:34:25.

arrived again and again. I don't think his captaincy has gone as well

:34:26.:34:31.

as it should. But, as a player, when things are going badly, particularly

:34:32.:34:35.

in the line-out for ago, a lot of the responsibility goes on Devin

:34:36.:34:39.

Toner. The calling in the line-out has been deplorable. They are always

:34:40.:34:44.

prone to traffic. That was, most of the calls that they threw in, you go

:34:45.:34:50.

where they are not. That is key. It doesn't always have to be the

:34:51.:34:54.

spectacular ball at the back of the line-out, as Wales shirt. Just win

:34:55.:34:58.

the bloody thing, get it to the bloody thing, get into that one.

:34:59.:35:00.

These were the things that were lacking. The one thing that Wales

:35:01.:35:04.

did well, their senior players came up when they were needed and in

:35:05.:35:10.

Ireland, that didn't happen. They're talking about Ken Owens and Rory

:35:11.:35:15.

Best. I am not talking about Dylan Hartley, who is the England captain

:35:16.:35:19.

then you look at Jamie Jordan sitting on the bench for England.

:35:20.:35:25.

Usually, the Grand Slam captain has a good shout to be captain. It

:35:26.:35:29.

doesn't always happen but with Martin Johnson in 2001, it happen,

:35:30.:35:33.

then they didn't go for Gareth Thomas they went for Brian

:35:34.:35:37.

O'Driscoll. And, at the moment, with the best will in the world, Dylan

:35:38.:35:42.

Hartley is probably number three choice behind Ken Owens, who has

:35:43.:35:46.

been incredible. Probably he has jumped to the top of the pecking

:35:47.:35:50.

order with Jamie George behind him. It will be a big call to leave the

:35:51.:35:55.

captain of the Grand Slam, assuming a bit much, though, but certainly

:35:56.:35:58.

the champion steam, to leave him behind. Interestingly, Marton, the

:35:59.:36:05.

odds on Sam Warburton -- Sam Warburton being capped now getting

:36:06.:36:10.

shorter. Warburton was released on the captaincy and it has massively

:36:11.:36:18.

released and improved his attitude. For me, Sam Warburton is at his best

:36:19.:36:24.

when he goes out and creates havoc. Not worrying about the captaincy and

:36:25.:36:28.

what comes with it. He has spoken before the tournament about how much

:36:29.:36:31.

that has affected him, all the extra stuff. Alan Wyn Fognini are still

:36:32.:36:42.

the man. He would make an even better Lions captain. I would have

:36:43.:36:47.

him in for the last four games. -- Alun Wyn, for me,... We have

:36:48.:36:58.

problems with your microphone. I think the selection for a lot of the

:36:59.:37:02.

positions is fascinating. As Pete said. You look at the England team,

:37:03.:37:10.

how many of those players are not going, then fill the spots? That is

:37:11.:37:14.

a weird is going to go, because they are playing well. Friday was my game

:37:15.:37:19.

was big for the Welsh players, and then next week, it is a massive game

:37:20.:37:23.

for the Irish to pit themselves against the English for the Lions

:37:24.:37:35.

squad. And you can be on the karaoke team now, only joking! The Welsh

:37:36.:37:47.

woman took on their Irish counterparts and the U20s were in

:37:48.:37:48.

action at Colwyn Bay. Pressure on Wales were again. In for

:37:49.:37:57.

the try. Strong scrum by Arlen but Wales,

:37:58.:38:21.

wheeling round. Short initially. We may very well see the television

:38:22.:38:27.

match official... For me, the player has been taken to ground as she

:38:28.:38:38.

placed the ball. So that is a try. Now, Ireland shunting Wales back.

:38:39.:38:42.

Jenny Murphy has it. Jenny Murphy falling down to the ground. Muldoon

:38:43.:38:49.

moves it quickly. Stapleton. It goes down in the corner. Really proud of

:38:50.:38:56.

the way that the reactor to everything that was going on. We

:38:57.:39:00.

knew that it would be a tough day. Even though we didn't get the

:39:01.:39:04.

results, the guilty -- the girls wanted to put in a performance.

:39:05.:39:15.

Heads up towards halfway. He puts on a bit of gas, as well. Finds the

:39:16.:39:21.

ball from Nash. And the Irish skipper is rounder Welsh the bench

:39:22.:39:28.

to score from nothing. Blackett getting it out. Could be a chance.

:39:29.:39:34.

Ben Jones. Beautiful pass putting Corrie Tarrant over. Jones assessing

:39:35.:39:43.

his options. Feeding it onto Ward, and mopping up the damage. Williams,

:39:44.:39:50.

then, on the counter. Almost through his man. Back in field to Cam Lewis.

:39:51.:39:56.

And then inside to Dane Blacker. And black is over. -- Blacker is over.

:39:57.:40:09.

Wales, again. Neat hands from Wales. And Kieran Williams with an

:40:10.:40:13.

absolutely glorious break. And the try. Ireland have got about one

:40:14.:40:24.

metre to go. They have got the ball on the line. And that could be the

:40:25.:40:36.

try that levels the scores. Down the middle comes Kieran Williams. He

:40:37.:40:40.

heads for the posts. What a moment for the Ospreys youngster. Wales,

:40:41.:40:50.

looking for the rumble over for a fifth try. Have they got it? The

:40:51.:40:56.

referee, Ridley, is in. And Wales have made sure of try number five.

:40:57.:41:02.

That was a good performance against a good Irish team and some of the

:41:03.:41:05.

rugby we played at times was excellent. Just very pleased for the

:41:06.:41:08.

players that they got rewarded for that. Good performance which took a

:41:09.:41:16.

lot of commitment, tonight. Congratulations to Jason strange and

:41:17.:41:20.

his team. Another fine win in Colwyn Bay, taking them to second. England

:41:21.:41:24.

have already been crowned champions in the U20s championship. As for the

:41:25.:41:31.

woman, Wales remain for following that defeat to Ireland. Next week it

:41:32.:41:36.

is a winner takes all clash as Ireland and England face off in a

:41:37.:41:41.

title decider. Let's round up the rest of the senior men's Six Nations

:41:42.:41:46.

action with England hoping to win the Six Nations with one game to

:41:47.:41:51.

spare. Scotland had the Triple Crown in their sights and were going in

:41:52.:41:54.

search of the first victory at Twickenham since 1983. The challenge

:41:55.:42:00.

was almost over before it began with Fraser Brown fortunate not to see

:42:01.:42:04.

red. That's a yellow card. England took immediate advantage with

:42:05.:42:10.

Jonathan Joseph providing the spark for an utterly ruthless display.

:42:11.:42:19.

Joseph, flying to the line! Hartley, goes long, wonderful take by

:42:20.:42:23.

Courtney Lawes. And Joseph once again through the middle. Lovely

:42:24.:42:29.

step. What a try from Jonathan Joseph, two tries! The England

:42:30.:42:37.

line-out functioning so well. And the pass worked out well. Joseph

:42:38.:42:42.

again, and the runner is there, and the try is therefore Anthony Watson.

:42:43.:42:48.

Still England come through Nathan Hughes. A quick ball for England.

:42:49.:42:56.

And a try, a hat-trick, for Jonathan Joseph. Two and a half minutes into

:42:57.:43:08.

the second half. Itoje takes it down and end and try again. They are

:43:09.:43:13.

driving, charging towards the line, the try is there. And it is the

:43:14.:43:17.

giant returning to the side, Billy Vunipola. Itoje the important man in

:43:18.:43:27.

the line-out. And onto Danny Care on the line and the try is there again.

:43:28.:43:37.

It looked so simple, by England. 12 phases of interplay then into the

:43:38.:43:40.

scrum-half, and Joe Launchbury, to the roar of the crowd, and Danny

:43:41.:43:46.

Care, now, gives it to Mako Vunipola. And the final pass, it is

:43:47.:43:52.

Danny Care and England with a conversion still to come will surely

:43:53.:43:56.

hit 60. England are Six Nations champions again. That trophy will

:43:57.:44:02.

come next week. For now, England celebrate and hold the Calcutta Cup.

:44:03.:44:10.

In the earlier game on Saturday, Wales' next opponents, France,

:44:11.:44:13.

looking to make hay in the Roman sunshine. Sergio Parisse put the

:44:14.:44:18.

Italians in front before French nerves were settled with one of

:44:19.:44:25.

their own. Further tries followed from Louis Picamoles before this

:44:26.:44:27.

long-range effort sealed the victory and the bonus points. France now

:44:28.:44:34.

return to Paris looking to cement a top half finish for the first time

:44:35.:44:42.

since 2011. And if they are to do that they'll need to beat Wales on a

:44:43.:44:46.

final we. Wales can still finish second if they do the business in

:44:47.:44:51.

Paris. The game of the weekend for the mutual has to be against

:44:52.:44:55.

England. Not the title decider many anticipated, Ireland can stop

:44:56.:44:59.

England winning the title but they can stop them winning the Grand Slam

:45:00.:45:03.

and they can stop them breaking New Zealand's record of consecutive test

:45:04.:45:09.

wins and you can't tell me that the Irish will not be motivated to do

:45:10.:45:14.

that. Ireland are not going to the championship like many predicted

:45:15.:45:17.

they would, but you don't need any greater motivation than to stop

:45:18.:45:22.

England from getting a second did -- second consecutive Grand Slam?

:45:23.:45:28.

Absolutely. That is the holding. The guys alluded to it early on. It is

:45:29.:45:33.

talked about a lot in Wales, or maybe they just don't admit it. The

:45:34.:45:37.

Lions thing is issue. When Wales were in the position against Ireland

:45:38.:45:40.

last week and Ireland were favourites in Wales, it is almost a

:45:41.:45:46.

flip. Next week, is the simple fact that England are coming to Ireland

:45:47.:45:50.

as favourites with the job done with the championship, but there is a

:45:51.:45:55.

huge amount of players who personally need to make sure that

:45:56.:45:59.

they have really good games. And the motivation to stop them getting the

:46:00.:46:03.

Grand Slam, listen, you don't need any more motivation than that. What

:46:04.:46:08.

do we do, do they stick with the same team? They were talking about

:46:09.:46:14.

mixing it up. Is that what you would do? Personally, I would make

:46:15.:46:18.

changes. I think the back row needs to change. That is a hard one to

:46:19.:46:23.

call. Whatever you do, Peter O'Mahony needs to come into the back

:46:24.:46:28.

row, I think. He said that the line-out has gone well, and Peter is

:46:29.:46:33.

a better option, no doubt about that, but, to me, they could even go

:46:34.:46:41.

with the stalwart, putting in Brian, and putting Peter O'Mahony at six.

:46:42.:46:46.

There needs to be some change. I would bring, into the team at

:46:47.:46:53.

full-back, Payne. I would like to see change, but not just for the

:46:54.:46:58.

sake of it, it need some sort of response. It seems that when we were

:46:59.:47:03.

in trouble on the park, the response isn't there, so maybe the coaches

:47:04.:47:07.

have to generate a response, themselves. England looked pretty

:47:08.:47:11.

good yesterday. Can Ireland do it? They have got one week to solve the

:47:12.:47:18.

issues of this weekend. They have had some fantastic wins. They have

:47:19.:47:22.

beaten the big three in the southern hemisphere in the 12 months

:47:23.:47:25.

previously, had some fantastic performances. Yes, they can do it.

:47:26.:47:31.

England did come out with a masterclass, with deceptive running

:47:32.:47:34.

and creating space. It is going to be one hell of a challenge to get it

:47:35.:47:38.

right. But there is nothing there that can't be done. It is just, will

:47:39.:47:42.

they do it? Talking about Wales, now. It has been a bit doom and

:47:43.:47:49.

gloom recently. Let's get your opinion on Wales. What do you make

:47:50.:47:53.

of Rob Howley's team at the moment and a situation that we are in?

:47:54.:47:58.

Wales, that has always been the head scratching thing with Wales. Why

:47:59.:48:02.

have they not been playing well? What has been the problem? The most

:48:03.:48:07.

experienced side, still an amazing set of players, so there is no

:48:08.:48:12.

reason to be going back, other Welsh players annoyed that their head

:48:13.:48:15.

coach has gone and the assistant coach has taken over, they are not

:48:16.:48:20.

responding as well to him? You still need the players to stand up. What's

:48:21.:48:24.

this pressure comes back on the players. More than anything, your

:48:25.:48:29.

senior players, remember those senior players, to a man, every one

:48:30.:48:33.

of them stood up and played one of the best games you have seen them in

:48:34.:48:42.

a hell of a long time. And I have no gone back to drying my socks that is

:48:43.:48:45.

the last I'm saying about Wales. Goodbye, now!

:48:46.:48:51.

APPLAUSE Still jealous, all right, then, what

:48:52.:49:00.

have you been looking at? The championship is one for both teams

:49:01.:49:05.

but France are an improving side and for Wales, Lions places and ranking

:49:06.:49:10.

points, but they are still a very dangerous team, France. Trying to

:49:11.:49:14.

get some tempo their game and the backs are instrumental. These two

:49:15.:49:21.

wingers, Vakatawa, he is very dangerous and gets involved all over

:49:22.:49:26.

the place. You can see Nakaitaci coming off his wing a lot, and

:49:27.:49:31.

Vakatawa is very close to him. It allows the big ball carrying French

:49:32.:49:34.

forward to get across the gain line. They have not scored many tries

:49:35.:49:39.

before the Italy game but they have, these guys can get across the gain

:49:40.:49:44.

line. Nakaitaci again off-loading in the first phase, and you cannot

:49:45.:49:47.

forget who's Picamoles, one of their better players, he finds himself out

:49:48.:49:51.

in the wider channels these days. They have some good, fluid ball

:49:52.:49:56.

runners and if they can get across the gain line they get the big

:49:57.:50:04.

forwards into play. Atonio, he is 136 kilograms, and if they can get

:50:05.:50:08.

him to play this quick tempo game it brings the outside backs into play.

:50:09.:50:13.

And then Gael Fickou, they have one of the provincial high scorers in

:50:14.:50:17.

the Six Nations now. Two of the best young players in the cabin ship have

:50:18.:50:28.

included Sarin and Godin. The Welsh front five only to be careful. If

:50:29.:50:32.

they get the off-loading game in then Wales could be in trouble, as

:50:33.:50:39.

good as their defence has again. But there are opportunities, like all

:50:40.:50:42.

big French backs, they do congregate a lot around the ruck and get quite

:50:43.:50:51.

lazy, and so, spotting when this is not necessarily, Italy creating

:50:52.:50:54.

overlaps, but they didn't have the class or maybe a George North in the

:50:55.:50:57.

white channels to finish them off. Early on, the French backs looked

:50:58.:51:02.

in, they spot out of airline and that man, Sergio Parisse, got some

:51:03.:51:07.

consolation. My question would be to Martin, next week, to be blood some

:51:08.:51:11.

youngsters audibly just go for Lions places? -- or do we just go. I know

:51:12.:51:20.

that I am in the minority, I would keep more or less the same team.

:51:21.:51:27.

Maybe, I know that I would keep going about this, Liam Williams at

:51:28.:51:31.

15. That is the only experiment I would make. Looking at the Six

:51:32.:51:35.

Nations as a whole, taking Italy out of it, there has been one away win

:51:36.:51:39.

and that was England against us. Every other game between the big

:51:40.:51:44.

teams has been home win. It is vital, if we win next week we could

:51:45.:51:48.

finish runners-up, if we lose, we could finish fifth. These boys are

:51:49.:51:55.

right to play again, they have earned the right to play next week.

:51:56.:52:00.

You say, who are you going to put in, but there's quite a long list of

:52:01.:52:03.

players that the public would maybe like to see given a chance, isn't

:52:04.:52:09.

there? Sure, but having named the same team after the surrender in

:52:10.:52:13.

Scotland there is no way it's going to be anything other than the same

:52:14.:52:19.

23. I'd like to see Sam Davies given ago. It is too late now. There were

:52:20.:52:23.

opportunities that were missed in December to do that. Paris is a huge

:52:24.:52:26.

game for people like Leigh Halfpenny. It would have been

:52:27.:52:30.

sacrilegious to think of a line squad without him being in it a few

:52:31.:52:36.

months ago, but we saw yesterday, arguably, Rob Carney, who was many

:52:37.:52:40.

people's favourite at the start of the season, playing himself out of

:52:41.:52:44.

Lions contingent. I don't see him as the test full-back Alessi produces

:52:45.:52:48.

something big. It is like a kaleidoscope. Every round, the

:52:49.:52:53.

picture changes. And suddenly people come in that you haven't thought of.

:52:54.:52:57.

We've seen great performances from some of the Welsh team and we say,

:52:58.:53:02.

yes, they are back in the lines, so should we be looking at the Irish

:53:03.:53:06.

team that didn't play as well, should one performance define some

:53:07.:53:11.

of the individuals? They have got everything to play for against

:53:12.:53:15.

England now. The majority of the lines will be made up by England and

:53:16.:53:19.

who can knock some of those out was going to be the question? I think to

:53:20.:53:27.

be Faletau is one of the best No. 8 s on the world and has been for

:53:28.:53:31.

another of years and that is harsh on Murray Artie because he has done

:53:32.:53:33.

nothing wrong and played well against England. So he comes back in

:53:34.:53:43.

for me, Faletau. The argument is that world ranking points are not a

:53:44.:53:47.

risk. So if you don't experiment now, when do you? People would give

:53:48.:53:59.

their right arm to play for Wales. But if you are not the best, you

:54:00.:54:03.

appreciate sometimes you get picked, or you don't. So only three recap

:54:04.:54:09.

since the World Cup? Because they are not good enough. That is one way

:54:10.:54:13.

of looking at it. Maybe England have got strength in depth and that is

:54:14.:54:18.

why the changes are made. Against Japan, a saved them and through the

:54:19.:54:22.

big boys in at the end but against Tonga and Samoa, blood them in

:54:23.:54:27.

there. But the outside-half position in the lines is very tight. If Dan

:54:28.:54:32.

Biggar has a good big game, George North has had one big game in this

:54:33.:54:37.

tournament, he maybe deserves to go and meet our one big game again. I

:54:38.:54:42.

agree, I would have Faletau at No. 8, he's the best, Moriarty has been

:54:43.:54:51.

brilliant, and then I would go with Leigh Halfpenny, he's got the better

:54:52.:54:53.

chance of playing on the wing for the lines. As Johnny Sexton on a

:54:54.:55:00.

different planet to every stand-off in the championship? On his

:55:01.:55:02.

all-round game, he has been fantastic. When you watch him from a

:55:03.:55:08.

common point of view, you would watch him, he was directing

:55:09.:55:12.

everything, the forwards, the backs, he is brilliant. But for me, George

:55:13.:55:24.

Ford, because of that ten - 12 access, the back line, it needs to

:55:25.:55:28.

be able to score tries. The All Blacks will score tries against the

:55:29.:55:31.

lines and we have to score tries against them. Sexton is there,

:55:32.:55:35.

George Ford is there, and there's maybe one spot and Dan Biggar maybe

:55:36.:55:40.

deserves... And you're not going to risk Farrell in the midweek games.

:55:41.:55:47.

Then you have got two tens. I did think we should make decisions about

:55:48.:55:52.

who plays for Wales against rust depending on who has got the chance

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to go and play for the lines. We pick the side because of what is

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good for us, not just this game but for the future. Obviously we want to

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win and I don't think we can make changes, if necessary, like Shane

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said about Ireland. You've got to make some changes now. Who would you

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change? Liam has got to be played in at full-back. If we can become a

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contract attacking side, Leigh Halfpenny, for all his strengths,

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does not do that for us. Liam Williams seems to be the guy to do

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that for us. Unless we try Sam Davies in the game, he has to have a

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substantial amount of time in a proper Test match like that, not

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against Tonga away, but under pressure against equality, world

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ranking side, can you do it there? Until we try we will never know.

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We'll be win in Paris? They have won five in a row against France, so

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nothing to fear, but picking up on Glyn's point, he's made it

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desperately late to make the changes that should have been made months

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ago. Just so as not to underestimate, Ross, the importance

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of that win. Ireland have been a big team. Four months ago on the same

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day when Wales were abysmal against Australia, Ireland in one of their

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all-time greatest matches, beat the All Blacks. Thank you for your time,

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James. Jonathan Davies, Glyn Jones and Martyn Williams. Thank you for

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watching. There is a Facebook live page after this at 7:10pm. Hopefully

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we will be celebrating a win in Paris, but for now, let's revel in

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the highlights from Friday. Good night.

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Gwyn Jones, Peter Jackson, Martyn Williams, Jonathan Davies and Shane Byrne are in the club to discuss Wales's penultimate match in the Six Nations against Ireland.

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