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Carmarthenshire -

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a quiet, calm county

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where vast countryside meets sweeping sands.

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But these dunes were once far from peaceful,

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as they've had an explosive past.

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We've got the high explosives, TNT,

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which is what explodes the bomb apart,

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and then the cordite, which is the propellant.

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Helen's getting a taste for beekeeping.

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I'm just testing it.

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It's good. Very good. They'll be happy with that.

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-Good. It's all right for the bees, is it?

-Perfect.

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Tom is on the hunt for otters,

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finding out if this recovering species

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is recovering a bit too well.

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This fishery is my livelihood. We have individual fish in here

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which are worth tens of thousands of pounds.

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If an otter got into this fishery now,

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it could put us out of business.

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And from New Zealand,

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in a second of a series of special films,

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Adam is taking to the water to search for

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rare native breeds on a remote island.

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What's that there? Look, look, what's that?

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-Just to the left and through there?

-Yeah, that's a pig, is it?

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-Is it a pig?

-Yeah, it is a pig. It's a pig.

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-You're lucky to see a pig.

-HE CHUCKLES

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Carmarthenshire's coastline is a beautiful expanse of sand,

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stretching as far as the eye can see.

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I'm visiting Pembrey, halfway along an eight-mile swathe of beach

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between the Three Rivers Estuary and the River Loughar.

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Strolling through the quiet and peaceful Pembrey Country Park,

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you would have no idea that 100 years ago,

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this place was a crucial linchpin in Britain's war effort.

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During World War I, Pembrey was home to a vast munitions factory,

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staffed mainly by woman

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and producing bullets, shells and high explosives

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following the 1915 shell crisis.

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It was a very nature of the landscape of this place

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that made it so ideal for the purpose.

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These isolated dunes not only acted as a screen,

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but they also minimised damage in the event of an explosion.

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Most of the physical evidence has long since disappeared,

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but there are still remnants, if you know where to look.

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Alice Piper of Dyfed Archaeological Trust

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is finding out more about the wartime role of this site.

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-Alice, how are you?

-Not too bad, thank you.

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Oh, the mind boggles. The mind boggles of what went on here.

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What area are we in, as far as this munitions factory is concerned?

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Well, we are up on one of the nitro hills.

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This is where they were producing nitroglycerin.

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We're up on a high mound here, so that they can make use of gravity

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to transport a very volatile, dangerous compound -

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nitroglycerin - to the other areas of manufacturing.

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So what are you actually doing here, then?

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Are you trying to discover as many of these tunnels

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and buildings as possible?

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We've got funding from Cadw and Heritage Lottery Fund

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to do a project with volunteers

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to try and discover as much as we can

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about the First World War factory that was here.

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Essentially, you've got the high explosives, TNT,

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which is what explodes the bomb apart,

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and then the cordite, which is the propellant,

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which fires it out of the gun.

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So both are being produced here.

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Then, down in this corner here, you've got the filling factory,

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which is where they're actually filling the explosives into shells,

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ready to go off, then, to the front.

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It's such an ironic situation, isn't it,

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when you wander around this country park today

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-and it's so peaceful and lovely?

-I know.

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And then you look at actually what, in this past,

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-this place has experienced.

-Exactly.

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It's a beautiful site now.

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A lot of these tunnels now are very good for wildlife.

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You know, you've got bat roosts in a number of these tunnels.

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Nature has really reclaimed the site.

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The spot was used again during the Second World War,

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and finally closed in 1965.

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Since then, the landscape has been to work,

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burying the past under dense undergrowth.

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Part of the area is now a conifer forest,

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managed by Natural Resources Wales.

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'But Alice's map suggests

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'there may be another lost bunker here,

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'one that hasn't been seen for decades.'

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So, because of the huge mound that's ahead of us,

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-you know we're in the right ballpark here, Alice.

-Yeah.

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Yeah, this is the only place in the area which is really high up,

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so this looks like a good candidate for another nitroglycerin hill.

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Is it safe, wandering around this old explosives factory?

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Well, you have to go with caution.

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I can see brick there. I can definitely see brick here.

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There's a bit of a ledge, isn't there?

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This is fantastic, getting these...

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They look like, sort of, retaining walls, don't they,

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to create this upper part of the mound?

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If I disappear rapidly, it's been lovely.

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Yes, nice knowing you.

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-That is a tunnel, isn't it?

-It is.

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You can see the brickwork on the entrance there, can't you?

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Do you want me to go first?

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Yeah, if you like.

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Oh, yeah, look. This is a proper tunnel, this.

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-There's a lintel and everything across the top of that.

-Yeah.

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Oh, yeah! Look at that.

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There's a pile of sand right in the middle,

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-but there's daylight at the other end.

-Right.

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-It's about 13 metres, I would say.

-Right.

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If you go round the other side and start walking,

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I'll shout when I can see you.

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The ground sort of drops away, doesn't it, on that side?

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(ECHOING) Hello!

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-Hello. (ECHOING)

-Hey, Matt, I can see you.

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I can see you. There you go.

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This structural remnants are atmospheric.

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But to really get a feel for what life and the landscape

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would have been like for the women who worked here,

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I'm meeting Aveline Weston,

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whose relative was a military policewoman here

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during the war and kept a diary.

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Aveline, who was Gabrielle West and where did she come from?

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Well, she was my Great-Aunt Bobby

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-and she was born a vicar's daughter in Gloucestershire.

-Right.

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But then the First World War came along,

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and her mother was a member of the Red Cross,

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and so she was a member of the Red Cross.

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That started the whole of her war work.

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By 1917, she'd done various things,

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but then they were advertising for women police -

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looking for women to work in factories.

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Right. That's how she ended up here, then?

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That's how she ended up here.

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Once you were in the police force, you went you were sent, basically.

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-I'm with you.

-She started as a constable

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and eventually got promoted to sergeant.

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What did she write about the conditions?

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She said the woman here had...

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She went to a lot of factories eventually,

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and the woman here had the worst conditions of all.

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She said something like, "On a windless night, we'd have

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"perhaps 30 girls having a fit from the ether in the air."

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Then they used to carry them out and lay them in the dining rooms

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and look after them.

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For many of the local women working here,

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the job and income provided new freedom.

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Despite the dangerous conditions,

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the diary also describes a sense of optimism.

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This was her favourite place.

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The women were lively.

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She felt she was doing a good job, I think.

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They had work to do, they had conditions to do,

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they made things better for the women,

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and they just had a jolly time.

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She talks about concerts in the canteen, and they used to sing.

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There was one woman there who used to bang the thing with the spoon.

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Apparently this woman was a particularly good mimic

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and used to mimic all the police officers

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and managers and everybody as well.

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They just all seem to have had a thoroughly good time.

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Today, it's a peaceful place.

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The landscape has healed the scars,

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absorbed the bitter chemicals and transformed these dynamite dunes

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into a paradise for people and nature.

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Now, otters had all but disappeared from our rivers and waterways,

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but now they're back.

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That success, though, does come at a price,

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as Tom's been finding out.

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Our countryside is deceptively tranquil.

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For many, it's a place of peace and beauty,

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but you only have to scratch the surface

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to reveal the realities of both surviving in the natural world

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or earning a living in the rural economy.

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And, to make it more difficult,

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nothing ever stays the same for long.

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Take the otter, for example.

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Just a few decades ago, it was on the verge of extinction in England

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and struggling elsewhere in the UK.

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But legal protection and banning certain pesticides

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had a huge impact, and it's begun to recover.

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In fact, it's done so well it's said they can now be seen

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in every river in Britain.

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They've been so successful, they now live quite close to us.

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Otters can be found in this river

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just next to a housing estate on the edge of Winchester.

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Rachel Remnant is from the Hampshire Wildlife Trust,

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and those otters are on her patch.

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Hello there.

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When I see someone furtling around by the river bank,

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they must be from the Wildlife Trust.

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-What are you looking at here?

-I'm looking for otter signs.

-OK.

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They're quite difficult to see in the flesh,

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but what you can find is their runs.

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So you can see where it's been trampled.

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You can see the vegetation has been squashed down.

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Can you see this depression in the reeds?

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It's sort of like a cylinder shape.

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That's the shape of the otter's body going through there.

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This is the real giveaway. We've got some otter poo.

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This is a really important chemical marker.

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So they're leaving their scent,

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they're saying, "This is me. I'm here. This is my river.

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"This is where I'm fishing. This is where I'm living."

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How are the otters doing in this area?

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They're doing really well.

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You will probably find maybe three animals here.

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When you do see them in the flesh, they are just amazing.

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They're this sort of enigmatic creature

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that you're very unlikely to see,

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but we know from our radio tracking work

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that you can have and otter four metres away from you

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and you just cannot see it.

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We also know from radio tracking

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that they pass through the city in the afternoon

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and nobody has seen them.

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But when you do see them, it's a really special occasion.

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The resurgence of the otter

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has been one of Britain's great conservation success stories,

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but there are people who think enough is enough.

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Otters, of course, eat fish

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and they're not too fussy about what type.

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But if those are YOUR fish, you may not be too happy about it,

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especially when they can be worth a small fortune.

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While otter numbers have been growing,

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so has the popularity of commercial fishing lakes.

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And the majority of anglers are now after just one type of fish -

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the carp.

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Incredible as it may seem,

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in 2015, £222 million was spent on carp fishing tackle alone.

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RINGING

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At these managed fisheries,

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individual carp will be caught over and over again.

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The largest are worth tens of thousands of pounds to their owners.

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But it's not just anglers who appreciate carp.

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For otters, fisheries like this are a ready-made banquet.

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Simon Scott caught his first carp when he was ten, and he was hooked.

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Now, his carp farm in West Sussex is one of the largest in the UK.

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After the summer growing season, winter is harvest time.

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Doesn't it feel like cheating?

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You're not giving the fish much of a chance, taking the water away.

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Well, that is the way to harvest a pond, Tom.

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-So, have you caught a carp before?

-No, I haven't.

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There is a bit of a knack. There we go.

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-Oh, hello.

-Well held, sir.

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They're pretty heavy, aren't they?

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-This fish will weigh about 15lbs or 16lbs.

-Yeah.

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That would probably be worth £200-£300.

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So if you're a fishery owner and you've got a lake full of these,

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they could be worth many, many thousands of pounds.

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So, what's the big attraction? How come the enormous value?

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Well, carp all look different.

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If you look at a rudd or a roach or a chub, they look quite similar,

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but these fish will all look a bit different.

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If I pick this one out, look at that -

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it's an absolutely beautiful fish, covered in scales.

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If we have a look at a different fish...

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This one is a linear,

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cos it's got a big line of scales down its flank.

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-See if I can get hold of this one.

-They are very wriggly.

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-OK. Oh, yeah. Strong too!

-They're powerful fish.

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That makes them attractive to the anglers.

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You've got that individuality.

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So, for the angler, it's the challenge of the catch

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as well as the kind of beauty and variety of the fish.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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So, you can catch a fish that is a recognisable character.

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It might be called Heather or Big Scale or Arthur.

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Those fish, they become personalities in their own right.

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They're long-lived fish.

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Guys might spend three or four or five years trying to catch one carp.

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But the damage otters can do to fish can be devastating.

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And although Simon has never been bothered by otters,

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he's fenced his whole fishery to make sure it stays that way.

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So, do you understand that problem that anglers have with otters?

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Yeah, absolutely. As a carp farmer,

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it breaks my heart to grow these fish for five years

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and to see them go into unprotected fisheries.

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We have delivered fish bigger than this, 20lb fish,

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that have gone into little club waters

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only to be eaten the very next night.

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That's how much money down the drain?

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-£600-£700.

-TOM WHISTLES

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I liken it to...

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If you want to set up a chicken farm,

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you put a fence around it.

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So what can you do if an otter gets into a fishery?

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Well, until very recently, you couldn't do anything at all, Tom.

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You couldn't trap the otter, you certainly couldn't shoot it.

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You would be stuck.

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Even when fisheries are fenced, otters sometimes get in,

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and one otter can very quickly destroy a business.

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But if you were to protect your stock by killing an otter,

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it could be you that ends up behind a fence.

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Protecting our endangered species

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has undoubtedly had a really positive effect

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in bringing many of them back from the brink.

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But at some point, does a protected animal become fair game?

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That's what I'll be finding out later.

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Hidden away in the green and rolling countryside of Carmarthenshire

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is a real treasure -

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the National Botanic Garden of Wales.

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It's an amazing blend of the past, present and future.

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This is the first new botanical gardens in the UK in 200 years.

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It really is an astonishing place.

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The landscape grounds of an 18th-century stately home

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have undergone a restoration,

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which would make its former gardeners proud.

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But for real engineering innovation, you need to see inside this.

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Oh, my word!

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Now, this massive dome was built to bring

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a landscape of Mediterranean plants to rainy old Wales.

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Lovely, but let's be honest, it does get wet here.

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Do you know what? It even smells like a foreign holiday.

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I love these.

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This great glass house, designed by Norman Foster, was opened in 2000.

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Covering almost an acre,

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it houses 1,000 of the world's most endangered temperate plants,

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grouped by their country of origin.

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Where else can you walk over a bridge from Australia

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and step off in South America?

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And if you think that was pretty sci-fi,

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where I'm heading now is really pushing the boundaries.

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The botanical gardens here has its own group of scientists.

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And what they've achieved in the labs,

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tucked away in a quiet corner of this place,

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has never been done anywhere else in the world.

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And it's all about bees.

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Laura Jones and her colleagues have captured the DNA

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from every Welsh plant.

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That's almost 1,500 species.

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Now, she's using this DNA database to see which plants bees visit

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by studying their honey.

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Identifying the plant species from pollen in honey

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can be quite difficult just by looking at it,

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so we're using DNA barcoding

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to identify the plants the bees are foraging on

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by using the DNA in the pollen.

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It's a real breakthrough, as our bee populations are in decline.

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Knowing the plants they make a BEELINE for

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means we could plant perfect environments

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for these important pollinators.

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Who'll use your findings?

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So, what we're hoping is, then,

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we'll definitely be able to feed back to beekeepers

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and also create seed mixes for people to use.

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Yes, because people do buy seed packets, don't they,

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that they think are going to bring bees to their garden?

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Yeah, so it's about, sort of, providing

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scientific evidence for that.

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-Then they go into that one?

-Yes, so then...

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'Laura is letting me prepare the latest honey sample

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'from the garden's own beehives.'

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Oh, the pressure. I feel like I'm sweating.

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'The honey is suspended in a conductive gel.'

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So, we're going to set this to 120 volts.

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'And by running electricity through it,

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'the plant DNA will show up under UV light.'

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Laura, this is blowing my mind.

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'And the results are surprising.'

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What we've found from the early foraging results,

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so April and May,

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is that the bees aren't using the horticultural plants as much

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and instead are travelling to hedgeland, woodland species.

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Things like hawthorn, gorse, willow.

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It's funny, because I know lots of gardeners

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who think that the more colourful the plant, the better for bees,

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but that's not what you're finding.

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It might be that those sort of garden species,

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the horticultural species, they're using to supplement their diet

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and get a wide variety of pollens.

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The honey some Welsh bees are making isn't just delicious.

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The botanic garden team's work has helped proved

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it can attack human infections - a natural antibiotic.

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There's been quite a lot of excitement

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about the antibacterial honey found in North Wales.

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-Is that anything to do with you guys?

-Yeah.

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So, we had a PhD student, Jenny, who worked on some of the techniques

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that I'm using, in terms of extracting the DNA from the honey.

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She did find one honey that had the same sort of antibacterial activity

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as something like manuka.

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What were they foraging that led to this antibacterial honey?

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A big mix of plants in the actual sample.

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-Bluebells was one of the ones that came up highly.

-OK.

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So, plant hedgerows, plant bluebells.

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Round the corner from the laboratory,

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I'm taking a peek at another of the botanic garden's wonders.

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This is almost the two ends of scientific research.

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At the one end of the spectrum, Laura and her colleagues are

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in the lab looking at DNA in microscopic detail,

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but this is actually a hard copy of the plant that they have taken

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that DNA from, so they're pressed flowers, just like I did

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when I was a kid, you probably did when you were younger.

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They've got a scientific reference point

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here in the hard copy of the plant,

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but actually, they've got something very, very beautiful indeed.

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Later in the programme, I'll be visiting the hives

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providing the botanic garden scientists with their honey.

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Wow!

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I mean, the only way to describe what I'm seeing is...

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magnificent.

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Seriously, this is quite unbelievable.

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Yes, you've guessed it.

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The Countryfile Calendar for 2017 is on sale now,

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which is sold in aid of Children In Need.

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Now, last year, your generosity

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so let's see how far we can get this year.

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Now it's time for our winter warmer.

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Late last summer,

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we asked some well-known faces, from DJs to comedians...

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It's a seal. False alarm, everyone. It was a seal.

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..chefs to singers...

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# My old man said follow the van... #

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..which part of our countryside was special to them.

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This week, Falklands veteran Simon Weston shows us around

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his beloved South Wales.

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The Brecon Beacons is a special place for me.

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It was somewhere we got taken when we were kids, with the family.

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Even as a young boy, I remember just thinking

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just how powerful it all felt here, but just how beautiful.

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It's so incredibly lovely here.

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And even in the rain, there's something very special about it.

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Brecon is probably the one place

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that I have a fond memory of my biological father.

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There wouldn't have been too many in my life that I can remember,

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if I'm brutally honest.

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But I do remember him taking my oldest friend and myself camping.

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I must have been 10 or 11,

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and we used to go off and leave my father here,

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and we'd go off along the road there

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and walk all the way almost into Brecon from here.

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Which was just a great laugh.

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I suppose the cherry on the cake for that week was,

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as the weekend arrived, so did a great big jamboree of Girl Guides.

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They arrived at the top of the valley near Storey Arms,

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and they pitched their tents,

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and we thought all our Christmases had come at once,

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and we were only young boys.

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You know, if you've got a good memory,

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always look to the good ones. Try to put the bad ones behind you.

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And the Brecon Beacons is always somewhere very special.

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I was about 17, 18

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when I first came here to train with the military.

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It was raining then. I thought, "What have I done wrong?"

0:25:120:25:16

The last time I was here training was with the Welsh Guards.

0:25:190:25:23

We were getting ready to go to the Falklands and, as you can see,

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if you've ever seen pictures of the Falklands,

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this is fairly similar terrain.

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The problem was, we were training, it was quite nice,

0:25:310:25:34

it was dry, and the white grass,

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and we were hiding from the helicopters that were hunting us

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because we were a mortar line,

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which meant we lined our mortars up and we were doing live firing.

0:25:410:25:45

One of the guys, Mike Dunphy,

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decided he'd make a cup of tea and he set fire to the white grass,

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and next thing, you've got about 30 men like whirling dervishes,

0:25:500:25:54

doing the berserker, dancing around trying to put this fire out,

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and the mountainside was getting more and more alight.

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Fortunately, we brought it under control,

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but my goodness, it was touch and go,

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but you look back on it as one of those funny moments,

0:26:050:26:08

just one of those funny little stories you tell,

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and you just remember your friends,

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because a lot of those guys on that mortar line never came home.

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SHIP'S HORN BLARES

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I got injured on June 8th 1982.

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'The first warning came as the plane swept low over the ships.

0:26:310:26:35

'Sir Galahad was immediately in flames.

0:26:350:26:39

'Two companies of the Welsh Guard were still on board.'

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We lost 48 men dead and 97 injured,

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out of which I was the worst injured.

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I suffered 48% burns.

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They didn't want to send me home when I was down there.

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They wanted to keep me down and bring me back by ship.

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But, being a good Welsh boy, I wanted to come back to all of this.

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This is where I was brought up. I'm very proud of where I'm from.

0:27:100:27:14

Those people down there, just beyond those trees,

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down in the village of Nelson, that's what helped make me,

0:27:160:27:19

and those are the people who helped me survive,

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because they supported me so incredibly well.

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CHEERING

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In my darkest days, I had PTSD,

0:27:330:27:36

and nobody had diagnosed it.

0:27:360:27:38

And a lot of people don't know this,

0:27:390:27:41

I don't even think my family know this, as much as I'm saying now,

0:27:410:27:45

that I used to come up the mountain just to look down

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on the village of Nelson.

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This is Senghenydd Mountain.

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It overlooks Nelson, which you can't see through the mist and the haze.

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But this is a place where I used to come just to get some solitude.

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Everybody needs to regroup, so coming up here,

0:28:080:28:12

for me, was escapism.

0:28:120:28:15

It was an opportunity just to try and regroup.

0:28:150:28:18

But it was somewhere that I had always come as a kid,

0:28:180:28:20

and I suppose it's the child in your eye.

0:28:200:28:24

You don't want to lose the child in your eye,

0:28:240:28:26

and you're trying to regain that and regroup with that,

0:28:260:28:29

and that's what it was for me,

0:28:290:28:31

it was coming up here and trying to get back the happiness

0:28:310:28:34

that I had as being a child,

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and that's the solitude you seek when you come up here.

0:28:360:28:40

Just to enjoy thinking and looking,

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and sometimes things just become a lot clearer.

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There's a great sense of pride in the Valleys and being Welsh.

0:28:540:28:59

We don't own the Valleys. It owns us.

0:29:030:29:06

Just in Nelson, all the hills that are around it,

0:29:080:29:12

it helps create communities. It helps create environments.

0:29:120:29:16

That's what's so special about here.

0:29:160:29:17

Wales is very special, you know,

0:29:190:29:21

and I am so very lucky to have been born here.

0:29:210:29:24

Earlier, we heard that otter numbers throughout the UK have recovered

0:29:290:29:33

to such an extent that many fishery owners believe

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they're not only threatening their stocks,

0:29:360:29:39

but also their entire businesses.

0:29:390:29:40

But their cries aren't falling on deaf ears. Here's Tom.

0:29:400:29:45

Otters are of one of the British public's favourite wild animals,

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and fishing is one of our favourite pursuits.

0:29:570:30:00

Put them together and the results can be ugly,

0:30:000:30:03

especially if you own a fishery.

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But since the 1980s, otters have been legally protected,

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and they can't be removed from a fishery, even if they get in.

0:30:100:30:14

But now the Environment Agency and Natural England have taken on board

0:30:160:30:20

the concerns of fisheries owners

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and are licensing otter trapping in some very specific situations.

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Dave Webb, from the UK Wild Otter Trust, and Mark Walsingham

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are now licensed by Natural England to trap otters.

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-So, this is an otter trap, is it?

-Yes.

-How does it work?

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Simple double-entry trap,

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so an otter can come in from either end of.

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When it gets to the middle...

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If you want to push that middle plate, Tom,

0:30:430:30:45

you'll see how it actually works.

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-Wow.

-Both doors come down together.

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The new licences only allow the humane trapping of otters

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within properly fenced fisheries,

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and they can only be released on the other side of the fence.

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How often do you think these might be used in Britain, in a year, say?

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In the last month, we've had two calls,

0:31:030:31:06

but this is a very, very new concept.

0:31:060:31:08

Obviously, once people are aware that we can do this,

0:31:080:31:12

it's going to be used more, we feel.

0:31:120:31:15

We've now got a humane legal option,

0:31:150:31:19

and it's only trained operators that can go and set these traps.

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In the UK, there's only five people that can do this.

0:31:250:31:28

Once we have a better understanding...

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'Mark Walsingham owns this carp fishery in Somerset

0:31:300:31:33

'and, for him, the otter issue is not a theoretical one.'

0:31:330:31:36

This fishery has taken 40 years to develop.

0:31:360:31:38

The biggest fish in here is just under 60lb,

0:31:380:31:41

so just smaller than the weight of a sack of potatoes. It's huge.

0:31:410:31:44

And people pay to come and target that individual fish.

0:31:440:31:47

So an otter could kill one fish and undermine the whole of the business.

0:31:470:31:50

This fishery is my livelihood,

0:31:500:31:52

and my mortgage and my family depend upon the income from this fishery.

0:31:520:31:57

We spent a lot of money fencing it to stop that happening,

0:31:570:31:59

but if an otter got in here, it could put us out of business.

0:31:590:32:02

Really, is this enough? Have we done enough now

0:32:020:32:04

to deal with the otter issue in the country?

0:32:040:32:06

No, I think, is the very simple answer to that.

0:32:060:32:09

I think it's a very important first step.

0:32:090:32:10

We don't have even hard and fast numbers

0:32:100:32:12

over how many otters are out here in the countryside,

0:32:120:32:14

so we need to look at things as a whole

0:32:140:32:16

and understand the wider picture

0:32:160:32:18

and understand what's appropriate and what, frankly,

0:32:180:32:20

the countryside can cope with.

0:32:200:32:22

Unlike Mark, some fishery owners have lost their patience

0:32:250:32:28

and want to be allowed to cull otters to protect their businesses.

0:32:280:32:32

But is it acceptable to allow the killing

0:32:320:32:34

of a protected species for purely commercial reasons?

0:32:340:32:38

It's a question that resonates across the countryside.

0:32:380:32:41

As the numbers of some of our other protected animals increase,

0:32:410:32:45

so does their impact on the natural world and rural business.

0:32:450:32:51

Badgers are a protected species that some people believe

0:32:550:32:59

are responsible for the decline of hedgehogs.

0:32:590:33:01

Now they are being culled, in an attempt to reduce TB in cattle,

0:33:010:33:06

and licences can be issued for the shooting of buzzards

0:33:060:33:10

and other birds of prey where they threaten commercial interests.

0:33:100:33:13

Someone who's familiar with this issue

0:33:150:33:17

is environmental consultant Derek Gow.

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We bring in legislation when a species is endangered.

0:33:220:33:25

As it begins to be successful and recover,

0:33:250:33:27

do we need to adapt that legislation,

0:33:270:33:29

turn it more into management rather than protection?

0:33:290:33:32

The simple answer to that is, yes,

0:33:320:33:34

there's a case for looking again at wildlife management.

0:33:340:33:36

But quite often, if you're looking at effective wildlife management,

0:33:360:33:39

and you're looking at something like culling in the long term,

0:33:390:33:42

you've got to specifically look at the animals causing you the issue,

0:33:420:33:45

then maybe we should look at killing those.

0:33:450:33:47

So you accept it could be valid as a last resort,

0:33:470:33:50

some form of culling or killing of these species, like otters?

0:33:500:33:53

Every stage, when a species like this starts to return and conflicts

0:33:530:33:57

with our interest, you hear the same calls, which is, we kill them.

0:33:570:34:00

In the past, the only response we had

0:34:000:34:02

as a species was for anything that opposed us,

0:34:020:34:05

we reached for bottles of poison, traps, steel and guns

0:34:050:34:09

and, in the end, it's incredible, at the beginning of the 21st century

0:34:090:34:12

that this is the only response we should be applying now.

0:34:120:34:16

If you've got an individual otter that keeps getting into a fishery,

0:34:160:34:19

and you know it's the same otter,

0:34:190:34:20

then you may be looking at a different solution in time,

0:34:200:34:23

but as far as the wider population's concerned,

0:34:230:34:25

just shooting 30 or 40 of them is just senseless.

0:34:250:34:28

So, should we be allowing the culling of otters

0:34:310:34:34

that threaten fisheries?

0:34:340:34:35

Natural England say that where wildlife poses problems

0:34:350:34:38

for people's livelihoods, property or safety,

0:34:380:34:42

they can issue licences to address problems at a local level,

0:34:420:34:46

and nationally, they can reduce an animal's protection

0:34:460:34:50

if it is no longer needed.

0:34:500:34:52

But that doesn't apply to otters just yet.

0:34:520:34:55

Across Europe, they're still seen as a near-threatened species.

0:34:550:34:59

For now, a good solid fence and occasional trap

0:34:590:35:02

solves most of the conflicts between fisheries and otters,

0:35:020:35:07

but as and when otters and other recovering species

0:35:070:35:12

move from being endangered to abundant,

0:35:120:35:15

even some conservationists agree

0:35:150:35:18

there could be a case for more aggressive management options.

0:35:180:35:22

Now, last week, we saw the start of Adam's epic trip

0:35:330:35:36

halfway around the world to New Zealand to revisit farms

0:35:360:35:39

he worked on 30 years ago with his business partner Duncan Andrews.

0:35:390:35:44

This week, he's heading to a remote island,

0:35:490:35:52

seeing how early settlers gained a farming foothold

0:35:520:35:55

on this far-flung part of the world

0:35:550:35:57

by taking some of our classic British breeds with them.

0:35:570:36:01

New Zealand has some of the most spectacular scenery on Earth

0:36:120:36:16

You can understand why the Europeans

0:36:170:36:19

started to settle here more than 200 years ago.

0:36:190:36:22

The land is rich and fertile, and there's plenty of it.

0:36:220:36:26

It's a farmer's paradise.

0:36:260:36:28

New Zealand is divided into two, the North and the South Islands.

0:36:330:36:37

They're separated by the Cook Strait, one of the most dangerous

0:36:390:36:42

and unpredictable stretches of water in the world.

0:36:420:36:45

I'm travelling across the strait to Arapawa Island,

0:36:460:36:49

on the hunt for a very elusive breed of goat

0:36:490:36:53

that helped put New Zealand on the farming map.

0:36:530:36:56

This strait here was named after the famous explorer

0:37:000:37:03

Captain James Cook who, in 1770,

0:37:030:37:06

was the first European commander to sail through it.

0:37:060:37:09

Cook and his crew soon discovered

0:37:170:37:19

New Zealand wasn't like any place they'd ever seen.

0:37:190:37:22

It appeared to have no native mammals,

0:37:220:37:24

and the country was dominated by birds.

0:37:240:37:27

But Cook was about to change that.

0:37:270:37:29

For the journey, I've got myself a great skipper,

0:37:340:37:37

and to tell me more,

0:37:370:37:39

rare breed expert Michael Willetts has joined me.

0:37:390:37:41

He's as passionate as I am about protecting heritage livestock.

0:37:410:37:45

So, tell me about your background, then.

0:37:450:37:47

I was brought up in the backcountry and I used to run around the hills

0:37:470:37:51

with a butterfly net in one hand and a rifle in the other.

0:37:510:37:54

I just loved wildlife and animals,

0:37:540:37:56

and the realisation that there was these animals in New Zealand

0:37:560:38:00

that nobody really knew about

0:38:000:38:02

and they were under threat changed my thinking totally.

0:38:020:38:05

So, we're going to look for these goats. Tell me about them.

0:38:050:38:08

Cook always carried goats on board,

0:38:080:38:10

particularly English goats, because they're tougher.

0:38:100:38:13

They kept them for milk for the officers, and they also kept them

0:38:130:38:16

to let go on remote islands like this

0:38:160:38:18

so a source of food for when they came back again.

0:38:180:38:21

Quite standard practice.

0:38:210:38:23

So, when they returned,

0:38:230:38:24

-there'd be food ready-made on the island for them.

-Absolutely.

0:38:240:38:27

In 1773 and 1777, Captain Cook made voyages

0:38:280:38:33

to Arapawa Island with animals on board.

0:38:330:38:36

Amongst his special travellers, he had an old English breed of goat.

0:38:360:38:40

Cook released some of the goats onto the island.

0:38:410:38:43

More than 50 years later, in 1839,

0:38:450:38:48

a visitor to the island wrote in his diary

0:38:480:38:51

that it was swarmed with goats.

0:38:510:38:53

Today, this breed is critically close to extinction.

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It's pretty extraordinary, isn't it,

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here we are, all these years later, with an ancient British breed,

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that its safe haven is on a New Zealand island.

0:39:080:39:11

It is almost an ark of genetics.

0:39:110:39:13

I wonder what the natives thought of these white men turning up

0:39:130:39:16

with these weird animals, goats, that they'd never seen before.

0:39:160:39:20

Yeah. I think they were absolutely terrified to start with,

0:39:200:39:23

but they soon realised the benefit of goats,

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and the Maori chief put a tapu, or protection order, on the goats,

0:39:260:39:29

so that shows the respect they had for them.

0:39:290:39:31

Whilst we wait to spot these goats,

0:39:360:39:38

I take the opportunity to chat with our skipper, Peter Beech.

0:39:380:39:42

Peter, back at home, with us coming out of Europe,

0:39:420:39:45

there's going to be a lot of change, particularly in agriculture.

0:39:450:39:48

How have things developed over here?

0:39:480:39:50

When England joined the European common union,

0:39:500:39:53

they dropped New Zealand like a hot potato, you know?

0:39:530:39:57

So the government cut the subsidies to the farmers.

0:39:570:40:00

The farmers, they had to find new markets.

0:40:000:40:05

They had to become more productive, more efficient.

0:40:050:40:09

I suspect that that is what will have to happen in England,

0:40:090:40:13

because then you'll have to compete with this globalisation,

0:40:130:40:18

with this global market,

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and you'll be competing against New Zealand farmers,

0:40:200:40:23

who have learned to farm and produce without subsidies.

0:40:230:40:29

Dolphins!

0:40:340:40:36

There are some little dolphins just here.

0:40:360:40:39

About six or eight of them. Wow!

0:40:390:40:41

There's two there that have got small ones next to them,

0:40:420:40:45

little babies. I think these are dusky dolphins, they call them.

0:40:450:40:49

I just hope we manage to get a glimpse of the goats now.

0:40:490:40:52

On a sunny day like today, it's likely the goats are keeping cool

0:40:530:40:57

in the shade, so they're going to be hard to spot.

0:40:570:41:00

But it's not long before we see something.

0:41:000:41:02

-Sheep.

-So, there's a breed of sheep here too?

0:41:020:41:05

-Yes.

-So, where did the originate from?

0:41:050:41:08

Nobody's really sure, but the recent DNA research

0:41:080:41:11

shows that the nearest sheep that they look like they belong to

0:41:110:41:15

are some kept by North American Indians

0:41:150:41:17

way up on the North American coast,

0:41:170:41:19

and THEY were reputed to come from Spain in the 1500s.

0:41:190:41:22

-So, sort of Navajo sheep, something like that?

-Yes, exactly.

0:41:220:41:25

Exactly. Something like that.

0:41:250:41:27

So that's the nearest link, so it's interesting

0:41:270:41:29

how wildlife often link where people travel.

0:41:290:41:32

Yeah, that connection with livestock and people and history,

0:41:320:41:35

it's very entwined, isn't it?

0:41:350:41:37

Very entwined, and you can trace people's migration

0:41:370:41:40

to the livestock that they carried with them.

0:41:400:41:42

-And they're enjoying that person's lawn there.

-They are.

0:41:420:41:46

No goats yet, though.

0:41:460:41:47

Let's keep looking.

0:41:470:41:49

What's that there? Look. Look, what's that?

0:41:540:41:56

-Just to the left of the tree?

-Yeah. That's a pig. Is it? Is it a pig?

0:41:560:42:00

Yeah, it's a pig. It's a pig!

0:42:000:42:02

You're lucky to see a pig.

0:42:020:42:04

-It's quite a big one.

-You hardly ever see them.

0:42:040:42:06

That's an Arapawa pig.

0:42:060:42:08

Black and tan. It's considered one of New Zealand's rare breeds.

0:42:080:42:11

-Really?

-Yeah.

0:42:110:42:13

-So lucky to see that. So lucky to see that.

-Incredible.

0:42:130:42:15

So, that's a definite breed, then? Recognised as an Arapawa pig?

0:42:150:42:18

Absolutely. Absolutely.

0:42:180:42:19

Nobody knows whether they're the pigs Captain Cook let go.

0:42:190:42:22

Their DNA shows that they're European,

0:42:220:42:24

so they would have come out a long time ago.

0:42:240:42:27

Their real history? Not sure.

0:42:270:42:29

It's great to have seen the sheep and pigs,

0:42:290:42:32

but I've come a long way to see the Arapawa goat.

0:42:320:42:34

It's getting towards the end of the day

0:42:340:42:36

and we're just about to give up hope when...

0:42:360:42:39

There's one. There's one! On the beach, on the beach.

0:42:390:42:42

At least we've seen ONE.

0:42:420:42:44

That's amazing.

0:42:440:42:45

-It really is amazing.

-Wonderful.

0:42:450:42:47

I remember my dad used to have some goats

0:42:490:42:50

that he called old English goats, and they were very similar to that.

0:42:500:42:54

Almost identical, in fact.

0:42:540:42:55

There's something moving around in the bushes up there, look.

0:42:550:42:58

Have a quick look.

0:42:580:43:00

I can see... Yeah, yeah. There are more goats.

0:43:020:43:04

A nanny and some kids there.

0:43:040:43:05

This is easy, there's loads of them!

0:43:050:43:07

Well, there's not, actually.

0:43:070:43:09

I think we've seen more than our share.

0:43:090:43:12

There must have been a dozen goats there.

0:43:120:43:14

They were following each other up the track.

0:43:140:43:16

So, on a normal day, if you came out,

0:43:160:43:18

how regular is it to spot them like this?

0:43:180:43:21

I've been up this coast several times,

0:43:210:43:23

I've been here looking for pigs,

0:43:230:43:25

with probably 12 people and dogs

0:43:250:43:28

for three or four days - never found a pig, never saw a pig.

0:43:280:43:31

-Wow.

-And now we've seen one, just like that.

0:43:310:43:33

And we've seen all the goats too.

0:43:330:43:35

I've been on the coast looking for goats and never seen them,

0:43:350:43:38

-so this is special. This is a really special day.

-What a treat.

-Yeah.

0:43:380:43:41

Knowing how elusive these goats are, Michael wasn't going to let me

0:43:420:43:45

travel from the other side of the world without seeing some up close.

0:43:450:43:49

So he's arranged to have

0:43:500:43:51

a couple of domestic Arapawa goats on standby.

0:43:510:43:55

Look what we've got here.

0:43:550:43:57

There's some Arapawa goats.

0:43:570:43:59

This is the first time I've ever touched an Arapawa goat.

0:43:590:44:03

A true old English, delivered by Captain Cook himself.

0:44:030:44:07

And reasonable milk, but plenty of meat,

0:44:070:44:10

so you can understand why Captain Cook left them

0:44:100:44:12

and then knowing that people might return

0:44:120:44:14

and then there was a ready source of food.

0:44:140:44:17

-They are a meaty goat.

-Yeah.

-And a hardy goat.

0:44:170:44:19

And this is the backbone of agriculture here in New Zealand.

0:44:190:44:23

-It's how it all started, isn't it?

-Absolutely.

0:44:230:44:25

It's really quite an amazing story and, as you say,

0:44:250:44:28

it is the birth of a nation, the colonisation, the release of these

0:44:280:44:31

animals into the country, the effect on the country, and so it goes on.

0:44:310:44:35

It's really very much the story of New Zealand.

0:44:350:44:38

I think they deserve their place, don't they?

0:44:380:44:40

-They need to be conserved and looked after.

-They deserve their place.

0:44:400:44:43

They certainly do.

0:44:430:44:45

Next week, I'm back on the mainland where I am seeing

0:44:530:44:56

the destruction of the recent earthquake for myself.

0:44:560:44:59

Just take a look at this. This is evidence of the earthquake,

0:44:590:45:03

where the road has collapsed and there's been a landslip.

0:45:030:45:06

I'm also helping with a sheep muster

0:45:060:45:08

on some pretty extreme terrain,

0:45:080:45:11

and discovering how these mountains are kept so lush and green.

0:45:110:45:15

We're at the National Botanic Garden of Wales,

0:45:280:45:31

where scientists have captured the DNA of every native plant

0:45:310:45:36

and cleverly used it to identify which ones the bees favour.

0:45:360:45:40

And up here are some very clever women, who are creating

0:45:440:45:47

an amazing piece of art based on the flowers found around here.

0:45:470:45:50

I'm told it's usually a HIVE of activity.

0:45:500:45:54

Translating the scientists' findings into an artwork for visitors,

0:46:000:46:04

50 locals are stitching images of every plant

0:46:040:46:08

known to be harvested by the garden's bees.

0:46:080:46:11

It's going into the centre...

0:46:110:46:13

Glenys Richards-Jones is showing me the ropes.

0:46:130:46:16

And you're just sort of coming down towards the centre,

0:46:160:46:19

in long and short stitches.

0:46:190:46:20

-Did you pick which flower you were going to stitch?

-Yes, I did.

0:46:200:46:23

-This is an ivy-leaved bellflower.

-So, just keep going in, like this?

0:46:230:46:27

-Yes. That's lovely.

-You do have to concentrate, don't you?

0:46:270:46:30

You do, yes,

0:46:300:46:32

and you need to concentrate on where it's coming out.

0:46:320:46:34

And how long did this piece take?

0:46:340:46:36

I think, to sew, it was about five hours.

0:46:360:46:39

-You're doing quite well there.

-You are. You're doing fantastic.

0:46:410:46:45

The finished artwork being assembled by Marilyn Caruana

0:46:470:46:51

is more than mere decoration.

0:46:510:46:53

It reflects the botanic garden's scientific work.

0:46:530:46:56

Why have you put them in this order?

0:46:560:46:59

We have all the trees and plants that the bees visited in preference

0:46:590:47:03

at the top,

0:47:030:47:04

working their way down to those that they visited less frequently.

0:47:040:47:08

We've got some plants which are based from the walled garden

0:47:080:47:12

and around in the botanic garden,

0:47:120:47:14

and a lot of them are actually in the perimeter,

0:47:140:47:17

so they are wild flowers, trees, and very high up on those - dandelions.

0:47:170:47:22

So, stop weeding, everybody, you know!

0:47:220:47:25

This sewing BEE stitches just a stone's throw away

0:47:260:47:30

from the botanic garden's hives.

0:47:300:47:32

It's here the scientists collect the honey

0:47:320:47:34

for their pioneering research.

0:47:340:47:36

-Yeah.

-And then your hood comes over...

0:47:370:47:41

'These precious bees are looked after by Linda Christie

0:47:410:47:44

'and a team of volunteers.

0:47:440:47:46

'And even in winter, there's plenty to do.'

0:47:460:47:49

It is quite bizarre having quite a big cage on your head.

0:47:490:47:53

Mind your step up here because it can be a little bit slippery.

0:47:530:47:56

And how many hives have you got in here?

0:47:560:47:58

-We have seven hives in here at the moment.

-OK.

0:47:580:48:02

We're going to look at this one, hive number three.

0:48:020:48:05

Presumably, at this time of year, bees are not very busy

0:48:050:48:08

because there aren't many flowers out, so what are they doing?

0:48:080:48:11

So, what they're doing,

0:48:110:48:13

they're clustering to keep the queen warm

0:48:130:48:16

and to preserve the queen, so she's ready for laying next spring.

0:48:160:48:20

During the winter time, the colony goes from the summer numbers

0:48:200:48:24

of around about 60,000, and they deplete down to about 20,000.

0:48:240:48:28

-Two-thirds die off?

-Two-thirds die off.

0:48:280:48:31

But then, come next spring, the queen will start laying again,

0:48:310:48:36

and the number in the colony will peak again round July, August time.

0:48:360:48:41

To see them through the winter,

0:48:420:48:43

the survivors in these hives need

0:48:430:48:46

30-40 pounds of honey in their larder.

0:48:460:48:48

Without opening the hive to the cold,

0:48:490:48:52

Linda has a simple test to find out if they've got enough.

0:48:520:48:55

All I do is lift from the back and just feel the weight.

0:48:550:49:01

So, this is literally just a measure of you feeling how heavy it is?

0:49:010:49:04

-It is.

-Do you think there's enough honey in there?

0:49:040:49:07

-That's really heavy. Would you like to have a try?

-OK.

0:49:070:49:09

Give it a little lift and feel how heavy that is.

0:49:090:49:12

-Oh, that does feel very heavy.

-Yeah.

0:49:120:49:14

So I'm happy that the bees have enough stores

0:49:140:49:17

to get them through the winter.

0:49:170:49:18

The hives that don't have enough honey are given

0:49:190:49:22

a tasty substitute by Julian Caruana.

0:49:220:49:25

This is baker's fondant.

0:49:250:49:26

Cut a small piece of this off and, very roughly,

0:49:260:49:29

if you fill one of these takeaway cartons with this,

0:49:290:49:32

you've got about a kilo.

0:49:320:49:34

So, is this the kind of icing you put on a wedding or birthday cake?

0:49:340:49:38

It's exactly that icing.

0:49:380:49:39

-I'm just testing it.

-HE LAUGHS

0:49:400:49:43

-It's good. Very good. They'll be happy with that.

-Good.

-Hmm.

0:49:430:49:46

-It's all right for the bees, is it?

-Perfect.

-Good.

0:49:460:49:49

And how often do you have to do this?

0:49:490:49:52

We might only have to do it once a year.

0:49:520:49:55

-They will only go for this if they are really short.

-OK.

0:49:550:49:59

Can you give them anything sugary?

0:50:040:50:05

It depends what time of year you're feeding them.

0:50:050:50:08

-At this time of year, it needs to be solid.

-OK.

0:50:080:50:11

If it's in the spring, then you'd give them a sugar solution.

0:50:110:50:15

Well, that is going to keep a bee and his friends going

0:50:150:50:19

-for quite some time, I think.

-It'll keep Helen going

0:50:190:50:21

-for a long time as well!

-Yeah, brilliant. See you.

0:50:210:50:24

Well, I can see a few bees buzzing around, which suggests that

0:50:270:50:31

it's actually unseasonably mild here at the moment,

0:50:310:50:34

but let's see what the weather has in store for us.

0:50:340:50:36

Here's the Countryfile forecast for the week ahead.

0:50:360:50:39

We're exploring Carmarthenshire,

0:52:090:52:11

and while Helen's been a busy bee at the botanic gardens,

0:52:110:52:14

I've been finding out how this stunning stretch of sand

0:52:140:52:17

once produced shells and explosives for Britain's war effort.

0:52:170:52:21

The site for the munitions factory here at Pembrey was chosen

0:52:230:52:26

because nearby sand dunes, like these, gave protection against

0:52:260:52:30

the explosive materials that were being manufactured.

0:52:300:52:33

These days, though, it's the dunes themselves that need protecting,

0:52:330:52:37

but this invading force is a force of nature.

0:52:370:52:41

A deciduous shrub called sea buckthorn was grown along the dunes

0:52:410:52:45

to protect the woodland planted here after the war.

0:52:450:52:48

It's actually native to the east coast,

0:52:480:52:50

but over here on the west coast

0:52:500:52:52

it's considered invasive.

0:52:520:52:53

It's damaging the dunes and the species that live amongst them.

0:52:530:52:58

Simeon Jones is the ranger tackling this thorny issue.

0:52:580:53:02

When you look at this here, it's so robust, isn't it? It just shoots up.

0:53:020:53:06

Yeah, it's a very tenacious plant.

0:53:060:53:09

You've got to admire it for its tenacity.

0:53:090:53:11

Does it have any benefits to the habitat here,

0:53:110:53:14

-as far as you are concerned?

-Well, it does have benefits.

0:53:140:53:17

I mean, the berries of sea buckthorn are very nutritious.

0:53:170:53:21

Birds love them, so redwing, fieldfare,

0:53:210:53:24

even blackbird will come and feed on them.

0:53:240:53:27

We don't want to get rid of all of it.

0:53:270:53:29

It looks pretty dense that way.

0:53:290:53:31

Is the idea then to get it to look

0:53:310:53:32

a little bit more like what we've got here on the right-hand side?

0:53:320:53:35

Yeah, that's it.

0:53:350:53:36

We want to clear some of it

0:53:360:53:38

so that we've got the species-rich dune grassland.

0:53:380:53:41

If you look under the sea buckthorn, there's a lot of nettle there.

0:53:410:53:45

And you just don't get the species diversity.

0:53:450:53:48

On this side, you'll have dune flowers,

0:53:480:53:52

wild flowers growing, and there are some pretty rare species as well,

0:53:520:53:56

so we want to ensure that we keep some of that species diversity.

0:53:560:53:59

What sort of area are we talking about?

0:53:590:54:02

Because we've got a patch here on this side. How far does it stretch?

0:54:020:54:05

Well, Cefn Sidan is about eight miles long,

0:54:050:54:08

so from one end to the other, we've got well over a mile

0:54:080:54:12

of clearing the sea buckthorn in the fore dunes.

0:54:120:54:15

And if I'm going to help tackle eight miles of this spiky stuff,

0:54:160:54:19

it's going to take more than a strimmer.

0:54:190:54:22

Look at this bit of kit, eh?

0:54:220:54:24

That's exactly what you want when you're tackling tough shrubs

0:54:240:54:27

on the sand dunes. Right, get me in that crawler!

0:54:270:54:30

-Hello. How are you doing?

-I'm all right.

-Right.

0:54:330:54:37

This heavy machinery is making light work of the sea buckthorn.

0:54:580:55:02

Just as well, as the short winter days are catching up with us.

0:55:020:55:06

And I've had a tip-off that if daytime at Pembrey

0:55:100:55:13

is about sand dunes, dusk is all about starlings.

0:55:130:55:17

Matthew, you told me to get here at dusk.

0:55:170:55:20

-I did.

-For a special sight.

0:55:200:55:22

I did. I'll be honest with you, I'm a little bit disappointed. OK?

0:55:220:55:25

Believe it or not,

0:55:250:55:26

there are 12,000 to 14,000 starlings in that reed bed over there.

0:55:260:55:30

At the moment, well, the sky was supposed to be full of them.

0:55:300:55:33

-I'll take your word for it.

-Sorry.

-What should it look like?

0:55:330:55:36

Well, actually, it should look like this.

0:55:360:55:38

One of nature's most spectacular sights.

0:55:400:55:43

Tens of thousands of starlings

0:55:430:55:45

flying in formation before they roost.

0:55:450:55:47

We'd love to see your photos and videos of starling murmurations,

0:55:470:55:51

and you might just see them in a future episode.

0:55:510:55:54

Tweet us or contact us at...

0:55:540:55:57

If you're having more than luck than us,

0:56:000:56:02

if you've seen these fabulous birds, do send us in your photographs.

0:56:020:56:06

That is all we've got time for this week.

0:56:060:56:08

Next week, we're going to be on the Jurassic Coast,

0:56:080:56:10

where I'll be meeting a man who's been chipping away

0:56:100:56:12

for the last 30 years to unearth life from 150 million years ago.

0:56:120:56:16

-Dedication.

-I hope you can join us then.

0:56:160:56:19

I'm sure I saw one over there, you know.

0:56:190:56:21

-I think we're in the wrong place.

-OK. Let's have a look over there.

0:56:210:56:24

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