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Professor Andre Geim hit the headlines in 2010 with graphene, | 0:00:42 | 0:00:48 | |
a groundbreaking new material. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
The discovery of graphene is one of those wonderful, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
quite rare occasions when you do something very simple, | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
almost playful, and yet make a profound discovery. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
It's a discovery that won Geim the highest honour in physics | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
and made him a scientific superstar. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
The Nobel Prize is THE biggest thing you could get as a scientist. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
It's like having ten Oscars. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
But Andre Geim's path to the top has been anything but orthodox. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:22 | |
A Russian emigre, he's a scientific entrepreneur | 0:01:22 | 0:01:26 | |
who's had to constantly reinvent himself. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
His originality, his creativity, is extremely important. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:34 | |
His experiments have led him to bizarre discoveries - | 0:01:34 | 0:01:39 | |
from levitating frogs to a tape that sticks to surfaces | 0:01:39 | 0:01:44 | |
like a gecko's foot. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
Watch how it goes in. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:48 | |
Playfulness has been central to the way he's challenged the orthodoxy. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:54 | |
Andre exemplifies all that is not logical, dull and boring. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:57 | |
With a little bit more experience, you can drink liquid nitrogen. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
'Andre is different. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
'He is a sort of entertainer and a showman.' | 0:02:03 | 0:02:07 | |
He likes this. He enjoys these kind of things. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
Loves to provoke people, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:12 | |
loves to poke their finger in them and look whether he can stir them up. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:18 | |
Annoying your colleagues is one of the pleasures I will never give up. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:23 | |
He doesn't suffer fools gladly. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
I should imagine that if you don't shape up in Andre's lab, | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
you probably get the boot. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:30 | |
How did developing his unique approach to science | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
enable Andre Geim to work the system to his advantage | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
AND make the discovery of a lifetime? | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
Andre Geim's life's work has been to gain a better understanding | 0:03:05 | 0:03:10 | |
of the materials that make up the world around us. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
Ultimately, it's related to the question, what is life? | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
How life is organised, how we function, how our brain functions. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:28 | |
The study of materials | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
is part of a discipline known as condensed matter physics. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
We know that trees, forest, everything consists of atoms | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
and molecules, but understanding how individual atoms | 0:03:40 | 0:03:45 | |
and molecules behave, doesn't help you to understand | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
how this pine cone grows. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
That's where condensed matter physics comes into play. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:57 | |
Condensed matter physics is broken up into many areas. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:09 | |
Just one subject can be a scientist's life's work. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
But Andre has made switching fields a feature of his career. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:21 | |
One thing that you find in science is that many people | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
spend their career doing research on what they did | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
as an undergraduate research project or their PhD and they stick with it. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
Andre's dramatically changed fields several times and that is unusual. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:38 | |
Andre Geim's Nobel Prize is partly as a result of his ability | 0:04:40 | 0:04:45 | |
to see the bigger picture, to look at different areas | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
and see how different phenomena in science are interconnected. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
Andre is driven by a relentless pursuit of new ideas. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:59 | |
Studying physics is my daytime job and it's my hobby as well, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:07 | |
and you need to enjoy your hobby. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
And so, if you do the same thing all over again during, whatever, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:17 | |
40 years of your active career, you get bored. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:21 | |
I am trying to search for new phenomena | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
and to search for new phenomena, you have to stray from the trodden path | 0:05:24 | 0:05:30 | |
into some unknown areas. And each time, when there is a possibility | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
to stray away, I try to do that. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:40 | |
But while straying from the conventional path can be risky, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:45 | |
Andre has repeatedly turned it to his advantage. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
To survive and get funding and to get papers in good journals, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:53 | |
we've got to be the first to do the stuff. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:55 | |
So there is this very competitive element. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
I would say almost a sporting element about it. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
So, there's this combination of creativity | 0:06:00 | 0:06:02 | |
and this feeling of competitive sportiness in science | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
that's very exciting, I think. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
Andre is exceptionally, exceptionally, exceptionally driven | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
and exceptionally competitive, I would say. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
The roots of this ambition were nurtured by an unconventional, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:22 | |
yet idyllic, upbringing. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
In 1950s communist Russia, Andre's city-based parents | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
thought he'd be better off with his grandmother in Sochi | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
on the shores of the Black Sea. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
It was a pretty happy childhood. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
I was left by my parents to live with my grandma | 0:06:40 | 0:06:47 | |
for the first seven years of my life, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
and every summer I returned for three months to stay with her. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:56 | |
Andre's interest in the scientific method was cultivated by days | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
spent on the beach, near the weather station | 0:07:00 | 0:07:03 | |
where his grandmother worked. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
She was a meteorologist responsible for the weather station | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
on the Black Sea coast. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
The weather station was sort of 10m away from the sea, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:19 | |
because she needed to take twice a day how high the waves were | 0:07:19 | 0:07:25 | |
and the temperature of the sea. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
These recordings went somewhere to the centre of the city or so on. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:33 | |
So that's... That's a pretty nice time. I'm missing it very much. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:39 | |
Andre had excelled in physics at school, | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
so it was a natural choice for a degree. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
HE SPEAKS IN RUSSIAN | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
But getting into a Moscow university would prove a test of character. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:04 | |
Initially, he decided not to aim for the very top. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
I was from a rather provincial city which was what, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:15 | |
maybe 1,000 miles away from Moscow, so confidence wasn't there. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:21 | |
So, I went first to the second-tier, | 0:08:21 | 0:08:26 | |
but still a very good university in Moscow. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
LECTURER SPEAKS IN RUSSIAN | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
I took the exams and I failed. Failed miserably. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:38 | |
Faced with the unappealing alternative | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
of conscription into the Red Army, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
Andre went back to his parents for a year of intensive study. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:54 | |
But when he sat his retakes, he got a shock. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
Problems were difficult, OK? Surprisingly difficult, yeah. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
So I got a pretty low mark, not a fail, but a low mark | 0:09:04 | 0:09:09 | |
and I realised that this was not enough | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
to pass through the exams and get accepted to the university. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:21 | |
Andre was uneasy, | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
and after the exams, his fears were confirmed. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
I remember I came from this exam back to the hostel | 0:09:33 | 0:09:39 | |
and there were people whom I explained to previously | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
how to solve those problems for them | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
and they got highest marks and I got very low marks. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:51 | |
He could think of only one explanation. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
Every Russian passport stated its owner's ethnicity. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
Andre was of German descent. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
In this Cold War era, he was viewed with suspicion. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
For the state of the Soviet Union, I was a German | 0:10:04 | 0:10:10 | |
and I was a potential immigrant and a threat to the system. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:18 | |
It was a pretty unpleasant experience to learn this policy | 0:10:20 | 0:10:26 | |
for the first time in your life | 0:10:26 | 0:10:31 | |
as a sort of idealistic person who comes to a university | 0:10:31 | 0:10:37 | |
and thinks that he's equal to everyone else, | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
and then you find out that some animals are less equal than others, | 0:10:40 | 0:10:45 | |
only because they have this different ethnicity. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
Convinced of his ability, Andre took an unusual step. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
He applied to Phystech, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
the top physics and maths institution in Russia. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
I think that Phystech was a sort of elite institution | 0:11:10 | 0:11:17 | |
because of Phystech's system. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
If you are lower in standards, you just simply don't get there. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:27 | |
You have to work hard to reach the level to get through the entry exam | 0:11:27 | 0:11:34 | |
and then to survive in Phystech. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:37 | |
The gamble paid off. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:41 | |
Phystech were more interested in Andre's talent than his ethnicity. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
He was in. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
Now he had to survive. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
Our group was around 100 people which entered to deal with physics. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:05 | |
And within this group of 100 there were winners | 0:12:05 | 0:12:10 | |
of international Olympiads in maths and physics and so on. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:15 | |
So essentially, creme de la creme of the brightest kids. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:22 | |
We all incredibly suffered during this first half a year | 0:12:24 | 0:12:30 | |
when we had to be brought up to the level of those kids | 0:12:30 | 0:12:35 | |
with a strong background. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
Being amongst an elite | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
ignited Andre's naturally competitive streak. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
After half a year, there was half-year exams. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:49 | |
Five or six of those. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
I managed to get Excellent, | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
the highest mark you can get in all of them. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
And then it was, "I can do it." | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
At Moscow's state science park of Chernogolovka, | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
Andre embarked on a PhD into an obscure area of metals research. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:12 | |
But he quickly realised there was little here he could make his own. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
The PhD subject was probably one of the most boring subjects | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
one can invent, OK? | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
It was really a ridiculous exercise | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
trying to dig very deep into the area. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:36 | |
It was not interesting to anyone, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
including some people like myself who were involved in the subject. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
But there was an upside - he learned skills that would prove invaluable. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:50 | |
His supervisor, Victor Petrashov, noticed Andre's talent in the lab. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
He was an extremely quick learner. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
He learned how to make samples, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
how to grow crystals, how to mount them in a cryostat, everything. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:08 | |
So, at the end of day, he got all the... | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
He got all the skills to do professional research. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
While doing this exercise, I learned how to do all sorts of things - | 0:14:18 | 0:14:23 | |
machining, microscopes, tiny, nice devices and so on, | 0:14:23 | 0:14:29 | |
and this skill I picked up from Victor, who is one of the, | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
probably, most green fingered experimentalists I have ever known. | 0:14:34 | 0:14:40 | |
Andre had met his wife, | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
fellow physicist Irina Grigorieva, at university. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
She recalls how he already stood out from the crowd. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
I remember people were saying then, and Victor Petrashov also said, | 0:14:53 | 0:14:58 | |
that Andre has this very rare combination of very green fingers, | 0:14:58 | 0:15:04 | |
so he can really do things with his hands, but at the same time, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
has a very, very good understanding of what he is doing | 0:15:08 | 0:15:10 | |
and a very broad overview of things. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
So, it... | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
Yeah, people said already then that he was quite exceptional, yes. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:21 | |
Communist Russia regarded science as a vital asset. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
But at a time of deep economic hardship, | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
research institutions were chronically under-funded. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
It's very hard to explain how bad it was, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
because that's the only... Wax and shoestring is the only... | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
is the only description I can think of for this one. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:51 | |
You need... | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
something really minor, like a different type of screw, | 0:15:53 | 0:16:00 | |
you won't find it, you need to make it yourself. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
You need a different type of glue, or any glue, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:09 | |
it's a search which would last for a year or something like that. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:15 | |
You need a piece of rubber, it's again...it's a whole problem. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:19 | |
We had to do everything ourselves, | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
starting from tiny soldering iron to some electronics. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:32 | |
And it took time. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
And that was actually a huge problem. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:38 | |
This is why ratio of scientists and supporting staff | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
in Chernogolovka was one to five. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:45 | |
So five people worked for one scientist | 0:16:45 | 0:16:48 | |
to provide everything for his research. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
And this actually worked but some people were frustrated. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:56 | |
Although Andre continued working in Chernogolovka after his PhD, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
staying in the Soviet Union was going to hold him back. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
But in the late 1980s, the Russian political landscape was changing. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:22 | |
Economic and social reforms under Gorbachev | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
gave many Russians new freedoms. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
More Russian scientists were able to travel on an exchange programme | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
with the Royal Society. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:38 | |
And in 1990, Andre was granted a six-month visiting fellowship | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
to Nottingham University. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
The young Russian quickly made an impression. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
Yes, I remember very well when Andre first came to us | 0:17:51 | 0:17:55 | |
on his Royal Society visiting fellowship. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
I mean, he's physically a large presence | 0:17:58 | 0:18:01 | |
and he's got a very loud voice | 0:18:01 | 0:18:02 | |
and he was a very memorable person when he first hit the labs. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:08 | |
I've got a very vivid recollection of that in the mid '90s, yes. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
And Nottingham made an impression on Andre too. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
Its state-of-the-art facilities for researching semiconductors - | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
devices that lie at the heart of modern electronics - | 0:18:21 | 0:18:25 | |
were in stark contrast to Russia's underfunded labs. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
It would prove a turning point. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
I always try to be in the top tier, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
but without really trying to excel. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:42 | |
How can you excel when you get such limited resources | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
like wax and a shoestring? | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
And then you go to Nottingham, | 0:18:50 | 0:18:52 | |
then you immediately find out that you can compete | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
and you can compete at international level. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
So it changed not only scientific possibilities, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:08 | |
it changed sort of my whole perspective | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
on what I could do with my life, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
I found out that, wow, I can compete. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
I can do something more what I'm trained to do. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:24 | |
I can...yeah, I can realise myself. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
And that was the moment | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
when I sort of switched from being in the top tier | 0:19:31 | 0:19:37 | |
trying to really doing my hardest and trying to doing my best, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:43 | |
trying to excel. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
Despite only having a background understanding of semiconductors, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
Andre threw himself into lab work. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:52 | |
It was pretty clear that when Andre came to us he was something special. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
It was obvious from the very beginning, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
he was a really committed scientist | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
who worked very hard, with a very good knowledge of the field. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
It was remarkable how quickly he moved from his subject | 0:20:06 | 0:20:09 | |
that he did in Chernogolovka into semiconductor physics | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
and become familiar with it very quickly. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
Andre brought his own unique perspective to the research. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:21 | |
The main thing was that he was able to take some of our ideas | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
and run with them himself. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:26 | |
So I was always very interested at that time, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
and still am, on resonant tunnelling and Andre did some very nice | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
experiments at lower temperatures than we'd bothered to do. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
So he was always able to find, to turn up some new thing | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
and delve deep into it. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
And he managed to publish two papers in six months. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
For anyone, OK, especially as a post doctoral researcher | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
to publish two papers in a journal within such a short spell of time, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:59 | |
it was...it's an exception. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:02 | |
It was becoming clear that he had to find a way of staying in the west. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:11 | |
I think by the end of the period, I realised that there was no way back. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:15 | |
So by the end of six months I started looking | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
for post doctoral positions around. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
So, for me, I knew that if I like to work and enjoy work, | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
I have to find a place where it's possible to work. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:35 | |
And Russia was not an option at that time. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
At the age of 36, Andre applied for his first permanent position | 0:21:40 | 0:21:45 | |
in Nijmegen in the Netherlands. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:47 | |
His unconventional approach divided the panel that interviewed him. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:55 | |
I remember quite well. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:57 | |
It was sort of a controversial nomination I would say | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
because, well Andre is not a standard character, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
so he definitely was different from anybody else. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:07 | |
I sort of liked him and found him interesting | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
and funny and intelligent, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
but there were also some other people who were very much in doubt | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
that he was overdoing it | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
and overselling himself, and some people shared my belief, | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
so I was sort of torn between two opinions, either this is a genius | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
or the others thought this may be the biggest miss in your life. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:31 | |
And eventually I called other people to get the same advice | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
and I roughly got the same contradictory advice | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
and in the end said, "Well, let's just give it a try." | 0:22:38 | 0:22:41 | |
Once installed, Andre had to adapt to the Dutch way of life | 0:22:42 | 0:22:47 | |
and the constraints of the job. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
In some sense, when you are a post doc you are sort of like a buccaneer | 0:22:50 | 0:22:56 | |
which goes for treasure hunts | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
and you don't care about the casualties around you. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:01 | |
Whereas, when you go in a permanent position, | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
you have a bit different responsibility | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
so you have to get used to that. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
He was expected to sort of fit in the existing structure | 0:23:10 | 0:23:17 | |
and start contributing | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
and I don't think that's what he wanted to do. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
What the group was doing, he wasn't interested in that. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
He didn't think it was worth his effort. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
He did not want to work on that, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
he wanted to work on something else and that wasn't possible. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
To make his mark, Andre needed to find his own area of research. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:47 | |
The lab wasn't equipped to study any of his previous specialisms. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
But it did focus on the study of materials in magnetic fields | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
and Andre was able to create his own research niche, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
investigating the behaviour of superconductors. | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
Not a huge boom or big bang, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:24 | |
it was a relatively minor niche area but it was new. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:30 | |
It is attributed to myself. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
Repeatedly moving departments was beginning to pay off. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
Each time you move from one country to another country, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
from one university to another university, | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
from one city to another city, you are forced by your life to adjust, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:55 | |
to adjust to different environment, | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
whether it's social or academic environment. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:01 | |
And especially initially, you are forced to change your direction. | 0:25:01 | 0:25:07 | |
You are forced to learn a new subject, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
you are forced to get some additional piece of knowledge | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
and after a few times, it becomes sort of like riding a bike. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
And changing direction brought Andre his first taste of the limelight. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:26 | |
He started to look for more areas he could investigate, | 0:25:27 | 0:25:32 | |
and came across the idea of magnetic water - | 0:25:32 | 0:25:38 | |
the claim that a magnet can change the interaction | 0:25:38 | 0:25:41 | |
of water and minerals, helping to prevent limescale. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
Allegedly, when you put a magnet on top of your tap with normal water, | 0:25:47 | 0:25:54 | |
at least some people claim that there is no more scale in your kettle. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
Andre thought that if this effect really existed, | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
the place to test it would be in the lab's powerful high field magnet, | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
so he did something radical. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
I just pour water inside the magnet, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
it's apparently not a very scientific experiment to do, | 0:26:12 | 0:26:16 | |
it's pretty expensive equipment, and you won't find many scientists | 0:26:16 | 0:26:20 | |
who will pour water inside their expensive equipment, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
and astonishingly, instead of water ending up on the floor, | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
we found out initially small droplets of water levitating. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
To his surprise, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
the water didn't fall through the hollow centre of the magnet. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
Then starting putting whatever, from beer to wine to cheese | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
to sweets to bread to tomatoes to strawberries inside magnetic field. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
They came home saying, "Everything is flying! Everything is flying! | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
"Bread is flying! Cheese is flying! Tomatoes are flying!" | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
So it took me some time to understand | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
what they were actually doing. But they started with water, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
and then they found that everything was levitating. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:12 | |
Andre recognised that this was diamagnetism. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
It's well known that everything in life is a tiny bit magnetic. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
But this phenomenon can only be seen | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
when an object is placed close to a magnetic field. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
Until Andre put water in the high field magnet, | 0:27:41 | 0:27:44 | |
few people believed diamagnetism | 0:27:44 | 0:27:46 | |
could possibly be strong enough to levitate an object. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
People, even my peers, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
at some conferences where I presented this result, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
couldn't believe that. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:07 | |
People thought, I think many of them thought it was a hoax | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
and try to find out that it's manipulation of images and so on. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:17 | |
Next, to make his point, Andre did something really bizarre. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
It was probably first time when I realise | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
that it's important to add to scientific research | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
a sort of wow factor. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:33 | |
So you think it should be something alive, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
and frog was the smallest thing we could find to fit inside the magnet. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:45 | |
My face couldn't fit inside the magnet by any means, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:51 | |
it was something like that, a hole, and yeah, the frog was an image | 0:28:51 | 0:28:57 | |
which catched the imagination. We tried many, many different things, | 0:28:57 | 0:29:02 | |
spiders, grasshoppers, even hamsters, | 0:29:02 | 0:29:07 | |
but the frog was both small enough and alive enough | 0:29:07 | 0:29:11 | |
to appeal to general public, especially school children. | 0:29:11 | 0:29:14 | |
That was very exciting time. It was very exciting. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
Of course, all the headlines and the papers, | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
he liked that, I think he liked the effect of it, it was nice, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:28 | |
but I think he liked that it was possible to make science | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
so beautiful and interesting to so many people. I think he liked that. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:39 | |
Watch how it goes in. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
Andre had hit on a winning formula. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
Again inside the magnet. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
Exploring ideas away from his core expertise could lead to | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
attention-grabbing discoveries. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
Andre is different | 0:29:53 | 0:29:54 | |
because he's a real, actual scientist of the 21st century, | 0:29:54 | 0:30:01 | |
because, er, now we have to | 0:30:01 | 0:30:07 | |
have more publicity to popularise science | 0:30:07 | 0:30:13 | |
and say, in 19th century or 20th century, | 0:30:13 | 0:30:20 | |
you could be a sort of monk, you could work with your science | 0:30:20 | 0:30:26 | |
and you wouldn't care what other people think about it. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
Yeah. So, liquid nitrogen... | 0:30:30 | 0:30:34 | |
So, without glass... | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
Inside, no problem. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:43 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:30:43 | 0:30:45 | |
But Andre is different. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:48 | |
He is sort of entertainer | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
and showman - he likes this, he enjoys this kind of things. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
He enjoys doing things for public, and it's great | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
and example is his levitation of frogs. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
The Physics Prize... | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
Along with a colleague, Andre won an Ig Nobel. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
The Ig Nobel Physics Prize is awarded this year to Andre Geim | 0:31:11 | 0:31:16 | |
of the University of Nijmegen in the Netherlands... | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
A light-hearted award given each year | 0:31:19 | 0:31:21 | |
for unusual achievements in scientific research. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
..for using magnets to levitate a frog. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
After accepting it, I think we both were proud | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
that we had enough sense of humour | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
and whatever it's called, | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
the sense of self-deprecation, to accept this prize. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:44 | |
Many of Andre's colleagues believed that no serious scientist | 0:31:44 | 0:31:49 | |
should accept an Ig Nobel. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:51 | |
I like to have fun in my life, OK, | 0:31:51 | 0:31:53 | |
so sometimes I say there are few pleasures in our life, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:58 | |
and three of them we know - good food, wine, and women or men, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:03 | |
depending on your position in this world. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
But people forget about the fourth pleasure, | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
it is pissing off your colleagues, | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
and I had a lot of this due to Ig Nobel prize. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:17 | |
Annoying your colleagues is one of the pleasures I would never give up. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
However irritating he might have been, | 0:32:24 | 0:32:26 | |
Andre was now juggling several job offers. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
After six years in Holland, I already sort of acquired a reputation | 0:32:31 | 0:32:39 | |
and had been offered several positions around the world, | 0:32:39 | 0:32:45 | |
and Manchester... | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
came as one of many. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
But it was special that... | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
..people offered this position together with Irina. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
A job at Manchester University | 0:33:03 | 0:33:06 | |
didn't just mean Andre could work with his physicist wife Irina. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
It offered him the scientific freedom to start his own lab | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
and pursue the subjects he wanted. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
But it was a gamble, too. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
Every time you move from one place to another, you take a huge risk | 0:33:25 | 0:33:31 | |
because OK, sometimes you don't get what you hoped | 0:33:31 | 0:33:36 | |
or sometimes you get more than you bargained for, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:41 | |
like I got in Nijmegen - in both senses, OK. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
But it depends on your confidence. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:51 | |
I was confident enough that | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
eventually I'll manage to build something. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
The strategy paid off sooner than he thought. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
Andre set up a system that became known as | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
the Friday Night experiments. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
A deceptively casual-sounding arrangement | 0:34:08 | 0:34:11 | |
to encourage his team to play with ideas. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
Essentially, it's never one night. There is a long process | 0:34:14 | 0:34:19 | |
trying to accumulate knowledge to lead to experiment, | 0:34:19 | 0:34:23 | |
you just don't press a random button, you just try to see | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
what can be done. Even pouring water inside a magnet, | 0:34:27 | 0:34:32 | |
it takes time to think that it's worth doing and why doing this. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:39 | |
You need to acquire knowledge, | 0:34:39 | 0:34:40 | |
and then settle down with the experiment you want to do. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:45 | |
But, er, but essentially, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
it's very simple, quick experiments where you try to do something | 0:34:49 | 0:34:55 | |
and when it works, you can proceed, | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
when it doesn't work, you just drop it. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
It wasn't long before one of these experiments hit the headlines. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
It's the stuff of superheroes - | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
walking upside down on ceilings and scaling skyscrapers. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
Well, move over, Spider-Man, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:15 | |
because scientists in Manchester have developed a sticky tape | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
so strong, it could enable man to do just that. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
Andre had been inspired by an article | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
about the incredible climbing ability of geckos. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
The tiny hairs that cover geckos' toes attach to nearly any surface | 0:35:47 | 0:35:52 | |
through a weak electromagnetic bond. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
The force of this bond is minute, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
but a million hairs working together create a very sticky foot. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
Andre wondered if he could design a material | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
that would replicate this effect. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:12 | |
The tape we produced, it was a small piece, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:16 | |
square by square centimetre, it never worked as good as a real gecko, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:22 | |
it got spoiled after a couple of attachments | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
and we had to use very tiny pieces of the square centimetre | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
to repeat this experiment many times, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
but it was a proof of concept that we humans, with our existing facilities, | 0:36:33 | 0:36:39 | |
are at the edge of reproducing, mimicking nature. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
These scientists have proved the technology works - | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
the next stage will be to see if this material can be made | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
more durable and if it can be mass-produced. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
If they solve that problem, then people really will be able | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
to walk up walls and along ceilings. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
Andre's playful new system was proving fruitful. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
If I looked back at the number of things I tried, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:11 | |
at least I tried more than a single step, but three, four steps, | 0:37:11 | 0:37:16 | |
it's a remarkable success rate, I think it's more than 10% for sure. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:22 | |
Which actually tells everyone a very important story. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:28 | |
When you are along this rail track | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
and moving in the same directions, there is a very little chance | 0:37:31 | 0:37:36 | |
to find something new, but when you scout into different areas | 0:37:36 | 0:37:41 | |
your chances of success grow remarkably quickly. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:46 | |
Being unafraid to explore new ideas | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
lies at the heart of Andre's method. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
But there's nothing random | 0:38:00 | 0:38:01 | |
about his knack of selecting those with real potential. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
He considers thousands of ideas and possibilities, | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
and always refers them, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:13 | |
"Is this really new? Is this really different?" | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
And he's deliberately involved with finding it, | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
and then jumps upon the one which has a high potential | 0:38:19 | 0:38:24 | |
and that, I think, is not a general attitude of most researchers, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:29 | |
I think that is sort of special. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
I think Andre, that's one of his really great strengths, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
that he can see those things that are promising, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
and that they would create new systems | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
or would allow us to do something new. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
And again, I think it is based on | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
his exceptionally good understanding of science and broad view of it. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:55 | |
Crucial to the success of the Friday night experiments | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
is a willingness to abandon ideas when they're not working. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
This is actually very difficult decision, to cut losses in science, | 0:39:05 | 0:39:10 | |
because you are tempted to continue one metre deeper, | 0:39:10 | 0:39:16 | |
one metre deeper, and deeper and deeper, | 0:39:16 | 0:39:18 | |
maybe to the centre of the earth, sometimes people do. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
It's a practice that close colleague Kostya Novoselov has also adopted. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:27 | |
The first thing which I learned from him | 0:39:28 | 0:39:33 | |
that you need to be smart | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
and courageous enough to say "OK, I was unsuccessful, | 0:39:36 | 0:39:41 | |
"my model didn't work, this didn't work. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
"We should stop, and there are so may other ideas out there | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
"that we can always find something new." | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
You don't need to spend the rest of your life | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
trying to push in this direction. | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
It was a Friday night experiment that kick-started | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
Andre's greatest breakthrough. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:08 | |
As materials become thinner, their properties change. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
Andre thought it would be interesting to test | 0:40:16 | 0:40:18 | |
thin pieces of the carbon material, graphite. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
I was looking for new areas to expand | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
and looking for something new and interesting, | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
and one of the many, many, I would say, ideas | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
which was on the back of my mind, | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
was trying to look for thin films of graphite. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:40 | |
After weeks of trying to polish a sample down to thin pieces, | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
one of the team had an idea. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
Suddenly, a mature researcher who was working next to us | 0:40:45 | 0:40:51 | |
in the same in the same lab on completely different project, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:56 | |
he said, "Why do you use polish? | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
"Why you just don't use Scotch tape to peel thin layers?" | 0:40:59 | 0:41:05 | |
Using tape to clean the surface of a graphite sample | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
is a technique used in labs all over the world. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
Because the tape is usually thrown away, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
no one had looked twice at the layer of peel that was left behind. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
You see, it's on the surface, nothing spectacular, | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
everyone knows that it's sort of material which splits. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:30 | |
Then you put it together and make a fresh cut, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:37 | |
essentially it gets twice thinner. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
So you make another cut, and so on. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
And then you ask yourself a very simple question - | 0:41:44 | 0:41:49 | |
how thin you can make graphite | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
by repeating this twice, twice, | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
twice and so on, what the thinnest material can be? | 0:41:56 | 0:42:01 | |
Under the microscope, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
the thinnest graphite flakes were nearly transparent - | 0:42:07 | 0:42:11 | |
just a few nanometres thick. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:13 | |
No one had ever managed to make graphite this thin. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
This was an experiment with real potential. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
I realised immediately that we can really make thin pieces of graphite | 0:42:29 | 0:42:36 | |
and it would be a new experimental system. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
Whatever it will bring us, I didn't know, I didn't want to know, | 0:42:39 | 0:42:44 | |
I just knew it's a new kind of experimental system worth studying. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
Very thin layers of materials are practically impossible to make, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
because as a system tries to minimise its surface energy, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
it pools into tiny islands. | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
But for the first time here, they had a very thin, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
continuous layer of graphite that was stable. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:06 | |
Graphene. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
Graphene is made up of a single layer of carbon atoms | 0:43:08 | 0:43:11 | |
arranged in a perfect hexagonal lattice. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
It's so thin, it's the very first two-dimensional material. | 0:43:15 | 0:43:19 | |
Once the team had isolated graphene, | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
the next step was to see how it conducted electricity. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:27 | |
When they applied an electric field to it, | 0:43:28 | 0:43:32 | |
Andre and his colleagues were stunned to see | 0:43:32 | 0:43:34 | |
significant changes in its properties. | 0:43:34 | 0:43:37 | |
Essentially we could change conductivity | 0:43:38 | 0:43:42 | |
through this bit of graphite, and for me it was eureka moment, | 0:43:42 | 0:43:47 | |
because I knew how much and how long people during the last 100 years, | 0:43:47 | 0:43:55 | |
essentially tried to make this so-called "metallic transistor," | 0:43:55 | 0:44:00 | |
and then suddenly, within couple of hours, after using Scotch tape, | 0:44:00 | 0:44:04 | |
we managed to do this better than anyone before. | 0:44:04 | 0:44:08 | |
And I thought, "Wow!" | 0:44:08 | 0:44:09 | |
As technology becomes more demanding, | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
scientists have been searching for a more efficient material | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
than the semiconductor silicon. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
Metals were once thought to be ideal candidates, | 0:44:19 | 0:44:22 | |
but their electrical properties proved hard to control. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
Now it seemed they had found the very first metal-like material | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
that could be manipulated using an electric field. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:34 | |
To be certain, the team repeated the experiment more than 50 times - | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
and got the same results. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
They had uncovered the most exciting material in physics in years. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:49 | |
The first finding that lead to absolutely great excitement | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
was that it was possible to make this very, very thin film | 0:44:54 | 0:44:58 | |
and it was conducting. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:00 | |
It was possible to measure, actually, its properties | 0:45:00 | 0:45:03 | |
so it conducted current, and it conducted current very well. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
It was stable, nothing happened to it, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
and you could tune its properties, you could tune its conductivity. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:13 | |
I think that's when the excitement went through the roof. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
Andre and his team submitted a paper on their results to Nature, | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
one of the world's most prestigious science publications. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:26 | |
But it was rejected. Twice. | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
One of the referees literally wrote, "This paper does not offer | 0:45:32 | 0:45:40 | |
"much new and exciting things. Why should we publish it? | 0:45:40 | 0:45:45 | |
"It can be published in a secondary, third year journal," so that was it. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:51 | |
Andre refused to give up. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:54 | |
The team rewrote the paper | 0:45:55 | 0:45:57 | |
and got it accepted by Nature's main rival - Science. | 0:45:57 | 0:46:01 | |
Its publication was just the beginning. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
The paper inspired scientists everywhere to investigate | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
graphene's properties further. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
In 2010 alone, more than 5,000 papers were published worldwide, | 0:46:16 | 0:46:20 | |
with Andre Geim's lab in Manchester at the forefront. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
The new research revealed just how extraordinary graphene really is. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:35 | |
Its massless electrons never stop, | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
moving at a 100,000 kilometres per second. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
They behave more like subatomic particles, | 0:46:41 | 0:46:44 | |
usually found in space or a nuclear explosion. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:48 | |
Before now, scientists needed something like | 0:46:48 | 0:46:51 | |
a Large Hadron Collider to study these exotic physics. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
It is indeed like a philosopher's stone, or it almost delivers magic. | 0:46:55 | 0:47:00 | |
It is truly amazing. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:01 | |
It's so beautiful, such a beautiful system, | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
the way in which the electrons move. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:05 | |
And all in just this one system. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:08 | |
Graphene is a wonder-material. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:10 | |
This is graphene. Let's call him Mr G. | 0:47:10 | 0:47:15 | |
It has so many superlatives to its name. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
What makes Mr G a really super material | 0:47:18 | 0:47:22 | |
is the combination of his unique properties. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:25 | |
G is the first 2D crystal ever known to us, the thinnest object | 0:47:25 | 0:47:31 | |
ever obtained and also the lightest one. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:35 | |
G is the world's strongest material, harder than diamond | 0:47:35 | 0:47:40 | |
and about 300 times stronger than steel. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:44 | |
G conducts electricity much better than copper. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
G is a transparent material. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
G is bendable and can take any form you want. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
But it's not just physicists that are excited by graphene. | 0:47:55 | 0:48:01 | |
Its unique combination of properties have also sparked a race | 0:48:08 | 0:48:12 | |
to exploit its commercial potential. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:14 | |
Such an incredibly thin, yet conductive, material | 0:48:16 | 0:48:19 | |
could have dozens of functions - | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
like this flexible touch screen. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:26 | |
A prototype has already been created. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:28 | |
There's a lot of hype at the moment | 0:48:32 | 0:48:35 | |
and some of those speculations will never work out, | 0:48:35 | 0:48:39 | |
but there are so many possibilities. I would be amazed, | 0:48:39 | 0:48:44 | |
purely by statistical chances, if this material wouldn't work out | 0:48:44 | 0:48:49 | |
in a few areas where it would not disrupt the technologies | 0:48:49 | 0:48:55 | |
that currently exist and wouldn't offer us something new, | 0:48:55 | 0:48:59 | |
even as consumers. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:01 | |
Andre and his colleague Kostya had revealed a new material | 0:49:01 | 0:49:05 | |
that not only promised to revolutionise the study of physics, | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
but also the world of electronics. | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
I think what's lovely about graphene is that it's so simple. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:14 | |
You know, you can explain it in one or two sentences - | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
it's a single layer of carbon atoms all held together in this mesh | 0:49:17 | 0:49:23 | |
that you can roll up, fold up and do all sorts of amazing things with. | 0:49:23 | 0:49:27 | |
You don't need to understand quantum physics or Einstein's relativity | 0:49:27 | 0:49:30 | |
to be able to appreciate what a potentially wonder material | 0:49:30 | 0:49:34 | |
graphene could be. | 0:49:34 | 0:49:36 | |
And Andre's wonder material seems to precisely fit | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
his unorthodox approach. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:42 | |
I think something in the discovery of graphene is also related | 0:49:42 | 0:49:45 | |
to being provocative, just to show to anybody else that what you say | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
cannot be, "Yes, it can be, ha-ha." | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
That's sort of characterises Andre a bit. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
So it's the perfect discovery for him? | 0:49:54 | 0:49:56 | |
Yes, fits the person perfectly...for sure. | 0:49:56 | 0:50:01 | |
The discovery of graphene is one of those wonderful, | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
quite rare occasions when you do something very simple, | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
almost playful, almost trivially fun and yet make a profound discovery. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:14 | |
Andre Geim won global recognition for his achievement | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
and it wasn't long before the ultimate accolade. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:22 | |
There was a telephone call, | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
and a lady told me that "It's a very important call, | 0:50:27 | 0:50:31 | |
"please don't hang up." | 0:50:31 | 0:50:33 | |
And so I said, | 0:50:34 | 0:50:36 | |
"OK, are you going to tell me that I've won the Nobel Prize?" | 0:50:36 | 0:50:40 | |
The 2010 Nobel Prize in physics jointly to Professor Andre Geim | 0:50:40 | 0:50:47 | |
and Professor Konstantin Novoselov. | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
Apparently it was not in the script. | 0:50:53 | 0:50:55 | |
It really came as a complete surprise for me. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
You could see it from my pictures. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
I was absolutely unprepared, unshaved and undressed that day. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:09 | |
I was sitting on Skype to people in Holland, | 0:51:09 | 0:51:15 | |
discussing some recent experiments | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
when a phone call came from somebody with a thick Swedish accent. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:25 | |
Immediately, he said, "You have 45 minutes of normal life left, | 0:51:25 | 0:51:31 | |
"just spend it wisely." | 0:51:31 | 0:51:33 | |
I now ask you to step forward to receive your Nobel Prizes | 0:51:33 | 0:51:36 | |
from the hands of His Majesty The King. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:40 | |
The Nobel prize is THE biggest thing you could get as a scientist. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
It's like having ten Oscars, every Oscar you could ever win. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:54 | |
And of course, there's only one every year for the whole world | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
in each subject so, yeah, it is absolutely the biggest thing. | 0:51:58 | 0:52:02 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
I treasure other prizes as well, but within a few months, | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
you realise that the Nobel Prize, indeed, is very special. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:15 | |
For whatever reason it is, we don't know the reason how it's organised. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:21 | |
It's probably the same like in the Olympic Games. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:28 | |
There are many people who say, | 0:52:28 | 0:52:30 | |
"It's important to participate, not to win." | 0:52:30 | 0:52:34 | |
We know the winners. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:36 | |
We do not treasure as much bronze and silver medals. | 0:52:36 | 0:52:41 | |
Gold medal is something special, so in a sense, in science, | 0:52:41 | 0:52:47 | |
it's probably ten times more important | 0:52:47 | 0:52:51 | |
than an Olympic Gold medal. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:53 | |
I think it changes your life, I think you suddenly become | 0:52:57 | 0:53:00 | |
a media star, you've got lots of new pressures on you. | 0:53:00 | 0:53:05 | |
People want a bit of the action. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:07 | |
I think for weeks and weeks afterwards it's very demanding | 0:53:07 | 0:53:11 | |
and you have to go to this ceremony in Stockholm | 0:53:11 | 0:53:15 | |
and experience all this. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
Then come back to your lab and try getting back to work. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
MUSIC: "Swedish National Anthem" | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
If you don't think that you are sort of competitive enough, | 0:53:33 | 0:53:37 | |
you're probably not a good fit to be in the top tier of science | 0:53:37 | 0:53:42 | |
and you would never win the Nobel Prize. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:45 | |
So when you've got one, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:46 | |
it's sort of a stamp that you are one of the fittest and then | 0:53:46 | 0:53:51 | |
some people with a certain predisposition start thinking, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:55 | |
"I'm a genius," or something like that, and other people think, | 0:53:55 | 0:54:01 | |
"I have to prove that I'm worthy of this Nobel Prize," | 0:54:01 | 0:54:07 | |
and they start working like mad and go mad eventually. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:12 | |
I think it takes strong legs to carry the burden | 0:54:12 | 0:54:16 | |
of a Nobel Prize. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:18 | |
Everything you say starts having a relevance | 0:54:18 | 0:54:22 | |
which is far beyond what you wanted. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
That may make you crazy, that may make you overestimate yourself. | 0:54:25 | 0:54:30 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:54:30 | 0:54:34 | |
But despite the Nobel circus, | 0:54:34 | 0:54:36 | |
Andre's eye is still firmly on research. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:39 | |
It was a very short period, | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
it's only one year gone since the Nobel Prize | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
and it makes me wonder how disruptive the Nobel Prize | 0:54:46 | 0:54:51 | |
was for research. Honestly speaking, | 0:54:51 | 0:54:56 | |
I think 3 months out of this 12 months went into something else | 0:54:56 | 0:55:01 | |
rather than research, but still there were nine months | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
of very intensive research. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:08 | |
We're still looking for this high temperature, room temperature | 0:55:08 | 0:55:13 | |
and above super conductivity. | 0:55:13 | 0:55:16 | |
It will probably remain for the rest of my life as a dream to fulfil. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:23 | |
Andre will never rest on his laurels, never. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:26 | |
The pace of his work is exactly the same as it was before. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
Another Nature physics paper out on Sunday, | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
I know they're working on another big paper. | 0:55:32 | 0:55:35 | |
I can't imagine he'll ever slow down. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:37 | |
Initially forced by circumstance, | 0:55:48 | 0:55:50 | |
Professor Andre Geim has developed a style of research that allows him | 0:55:50 | 0:55:55 | |
to take risks and deliberately explore territory | 0:55:55 | 0:55:58 | |
away from the mainstream. | 0:55:58 | 0:56:00 | |
His playful methods and instinctive ability to spot promising terrain | 0:56:05 | 0:56:10 | |
are backed up by clear thinking. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
Andre has this very rare ability to see the big picture, | 0:56:15 | 0:56:20 | |
but at the same time, seeing all the small details. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
To use a metaphor, I think he can see the wood, | 0:56:23 | 0:56:25 | |
the trees and the grass all at the same time. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:29 | |
That I think is very typical of Andre. He finds something new, | 0:56:33 | 0:56:37 | |
he doesn't stick to that thing, | 0:56:37 | 0:56:39 | |
he situates it in its environment, in its history, in its content. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:44 | |
He's also very fair. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:46 | |
Everybody who did something in that direction earlier is recognised, | 0:56:46 | 0:56:52 | |
he doesn't try to make himself better by ignoring his predecessors, | 0:56:52 | 0:56:58 | |
and that makes that when the thing catches attention | 0:56:58 | 0:57:02 | |
it immediately gets a momentum which picks up | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
because the whole field is covered | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
and that, I do think, is sort of peculiar for Andre. | 0:57:08 | 0:57:13 | |
His method has borne extraordinary results. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
Geim can lay claim to seeding three new areas of research | 0:57:16 | 0:57:20 | |
levitation, gecko tape and graphene. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:25 | |
And he'd like more scientists to follow his lead. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:29 | |
Everyone can do it. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
The way we are doing things is just too comfortable | 0:57:31 | 0:57:35 | |
and we need to put ourselves out of the comfort zone | 0:57:35 | 0:57:41 | |
and try to do something | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
which we wouldn't think about doing a day before. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:49 | |
I'm doing this because I'm trying to get new experiences. | 0:57:56 | 0:58:01 | |
Jumping to another subject is another way of getting experiences. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:06 | |
I haven't lost this childish attitude, | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
trying to get as much as possible out of the world | 0:58:10 | 0:58:14 | |
in terms of impressions and experiences. | 0:58:14 | 0:58:17 | |
This is it. I'm not thinking about any legacy or anything like that. | 0:58:17 | 0:58:24 | |
My brain is not dead enough for this. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:27 | |
# I planned each charted course | 0:58:30 | 0:58:35 | |
# Each careful step along the byway | 0:58:35 | 0:58:41 | |
# And more, much more than this | 0:58:41 | 0:58:46 | |
# I did it my way. # | 0:58:46 | 0:58:52 | |
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