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Life isn't fair and I think politics has a duty to reflect that.

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Rory Bremner is Britain's best-known political impressionist.

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I wouldn't do that if I were you.

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But there's a side to Rory that the public doesn't see.

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For as long as I can remember, I've had a really active brain.

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The trouble is... Sorry.

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BLEEP! BLEEP!

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-Back again, back again. Once more, let's go.

-BLEEP!

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Come on.

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For as long as I can remember, I've had a really active...

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-BLEEP!

-Distracted all the time.

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Constant distractions.

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OK.

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For as long as I can remember...

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For as long as I can remember, I've had a really active brain,

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but that's a good thing. The trouble is...

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HE GROANS BLEEP!

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Stop trying to get it right. Come on.

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Come on!

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-For as long as I can remember...

-BLEEP!

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Rory has suspected for some time that he may have ADHD -

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Attention Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder.

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Because I get distracted, I think about too many things,

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I get overwhelmed.

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So, he's on a mission to find out more about ADHD.

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What causes it?

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Genes are not everything that there is -

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there's also the environment.

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And why does it exist at all?

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People with ADHD would have been more the pathfinders.

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BOY SCREAMS

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ADHD can shatter lives and families...

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..and push some into a world of crime.

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After years of uncertainty,

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Rory will find out whether or not he has the condition himself.

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And he'll try a unique experiment for Horizon.

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Wish me luck.

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Ladies and gentlemen,

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please put your hands together for Rory Bremner.

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Thank you.

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Thank you very much indeed.

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LIVELY TUNE ON CLARINET

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For as long as I can remember, I've had a really active brain.

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The problem is, when it gets too active,

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it jumps around all over the place, gets distracted

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by a million and one things, when I'm supposed to be concentrating.

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I used to think that was just what it was like to be me,

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but recently I've come to suspect

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that it's what it's like to have ADHD.

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So what does it feel like?

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It's like having a brain like a pinball machine.

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PINBALL MACHINE BELLS DING

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See, a normal person might look that

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and see a whole load of different breads, but I'm just drawn to the labels.

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-They say "spelt loaf" and I think, why's it spelt like that?

-HE LAUGHS

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It's like seeing a whole row of doors

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and you want to go through each door

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and each one leads to another door.

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Knock knock. Who's there? Focaccia.

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Focaccia who? Focaccia doing that again, you're in deep trouble.

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In the meantime...

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..another thought pops into your head.

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This is a chorus line, isn't it?

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-Just pulling your leg, sorry!

-HE GROANS

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As a comedian, I kind of welcome that, because you want that freedom,

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you want to be...

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It's all the associations. It jumps, it's a leap of the imagination,

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it's breaking the rules, if you like,

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and breaking the rules is really good fun.

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Until it's not.

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ADHD is, of course, primarily a problem

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for both Rory and his family.

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ADHD can make you hate yourself.

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I'm sure I'm very hard to live with...

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..because I will drift off when I'm supposed to be...

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..paying attention.

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I'll forget things that I've been asked to do.

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In the middle of a meeting,

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I'll just go out and start swinging a golf club

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or walking around the garden

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when I'm supposed to be taking part in a...

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..a meeting with a builder or a plumber or something because I'm just bored.

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It's almost like there's a little devil inside you that goes,

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"Ha-ha-ha, let's see how we can cock this up."

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It's as an adult that Rory's come to suspect he has ADHD.

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But typically, symptoms are strongest

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and most visible in children.

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Now can you see my face?

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Jayden is five years old.

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JAYDEN SCREAMS

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He's an extreme case and was diagnosed with ADHD aged just three.

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All day and every day, Jayden shows the core symptoms of ADHD.

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Inattentiveness...

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This is boring.

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..impulsive behaviour...

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Liar!

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..and hyperactivity.

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Not everyone with ADHD shows all these symptoms.

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But Jayden does.

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His mum, Emily, has tried all the parenting techniques...

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-No.

-Let me go!

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..including the naughty step.

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All have failed.

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So, she's had to take drastic measures.

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So, we have to...

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We have a door alarm on Jayden's door for his own safety

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so that we know where he is at all times.

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If we didn't have this, he gets up in the middle of the night or in the

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early hours of the morning and will just do whatever he wants.

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He has been known to leave the house.

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ALARM BEEPS

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So, that when he opens the door...

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ALARM BEEPS

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Straight away.

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So that's quite fun.

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So this is Jayden's bedroom.

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We've lived here six months and he's already put a hole in the wall.

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He did that about three weeks after we moved in.

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He lost his temper.

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He's scribbled all over the walls.

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There's a hole in the floor.

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We had to put a lock on the window the night that we moved in.

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I woke up at three o'clock in the morning with this feeling,

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came running in here to see what he was doing

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and he'd tied his bedsheet

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to the window arch and was trying to abseil down the side of the house

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to get outside. He thinks that he can do anything.

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He's invincible.

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It's scary for us, really,

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because he's constantly doing things like that,

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the whole time.

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This is my daughter Skylar's bedroom.

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We had to put a combination lock on her bedroom door to stop Jayden

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getting in.

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It's like living in a prison.

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It's normally much more tidy than this, but...

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The damage on the wall. So whenever he can get in, if he gets a chance,

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he will get in and break her things.

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When he was about three or four, he would do things like urinate on her

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clothes just to get back at her.

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When he's angry, he doesn't care about other people.

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And as his behaviour's become more extreme, she's become very quiet,

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very reserved - depressed, I would say.

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She's depressed. I think it's really hard for her.

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At school, Jayden is also kept under lock and key.

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You're not allowed outside.

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Because they're mean!

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Mean teachers.

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He isn't allowed out to play because they feared that he'd run off.

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He's physically sort of locked into that room.

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He has to have two people escort him to the toilet at all times.

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Like, he cannot be left alone.

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The impact on the whole family is profound.

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I never get a break.

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Me and my husband never, ever spend time together.

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If we do, it's for very short periods of time.

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Parents of children with ADHD

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are three times more likely to divorce or separate.

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Yes!

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I feel trapped all the time.

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There are days when I will just sit at the end of the day and cry...

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and then you can go to sleep and it's a fresh start the next day.

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I think I just live with the fact that it can't get much worse.

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HE LAUGHS

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The number of people living with ADHD is surprisingly high.

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An estimated 5% of children and 3% of adults in the UK.

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Before Rory finds out if he has ADHD,

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he wants to know why people with ADHD behave the way they do.

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So, he's come to King's College in South London

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to see if looking at their brains can provide any answers.

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-Hi there.

-Hi, Rory, very nice to meet you.

-Good to see you.

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Professor Katya Rubia has spent much of her working life

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studying the ADHD brain.

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So, what I'm really keen to find out is, is an ADHD brain different?

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-Yeah.

-How is it different?

-Yeah, it is, in fact, very different,

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both in the structure of the brain and the function of the brain.

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So...you could say the hardware of the brain

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and the software of the brain,

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both is underdeveloped.

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OK. So, what are we looking at here?

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These are slices through the brain.

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Are we looking at the top down, as if the camera's here?

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Yes, this would be the top and then you go down.

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So this is around the eye level and this is the lower part.

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-Oh, I see.

-They are horizontal cuts through the brain.

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It's an MRI image.

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-It's like brain carpaccio.

-This is based...

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Yes, exactly.

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What jumps out are the yellow areas.

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What are we looking at there?

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So the yellow areas are areas which are smaller in ADHD

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compared to healthy controls.

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And the areas we found are most consistently smaller

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in structure are these frontal lobe regions,

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which is in the frontal part of the brain, and the basal ganglia,

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deep in the brain. The frontal lobe and the basal ganglia are connected.

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OK, so what do those parts of the brain actually do?

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These parts of the brain, they mediate many functions

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which are very important for mature adult behaviour.

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For example, the ability to self-restrain yourself,

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to inhibit yourself.

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And ADHD patients, they have problems with self-control.

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-Impulsive.

-Impulsive, yeah, exactly.

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They're impulsive. They also mediate attention,

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they also have problems with timing behaviour.

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For example, you know, if you are impulsive,

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you do things prematurely, too early in time,

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and you don't consider the consequences of your act

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so you act on the spur of the moment and later you think.

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It's like having a filter, really,

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something that will stop you from doing something inappropriate

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-or saying something out of turn or interrupting.

-Yes, exactly.

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The degree of inattention and impulsivity

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will vary from person to person.

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Just as the changes in brain structure will vary, too.

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So, I have an example of a test

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which we use to measure self-control in ADHD.

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And this task, the performance on this test

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is typically impaired in children with ADHD.

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So, it's called the stop task.

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-Do you want to try it?

-Yeah, sure, absolutely.

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OK, right.

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If the arrow points left or right,

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Rory must press the corresponding button.

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But if the arrow points up,

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he must hold back and resist the urge to press.

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You see, I've cracked this.

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Oh, no, I thought I'd just got that. Ugh!

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It's a test of self-restraint.

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Not something Rory finds easy.

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-OK.

-Getting better.

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I have to say, Katya, you have the perfect voice for this

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in the background saying, "No, you're not concentrating.

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"Please try a little bit harder."

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-IN STRONG ACCENT:

-"That is ze point of ze exercise!"

-Exactly.

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"We are testing."

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I'm so sorry, that was really very...

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It was incredibly rude of me.

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I know! Do people get upset with you?

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Yes.

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-SHE LAUGHS

-But not for long.

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-OK.

-I'm not surprised.

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See, it's impulsive behaviour.

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OK, the task is now finished.

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Despite Rory's efforts, it's not a test he can win.

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He's simply having a go at the task Katya uses during imaging studies.

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So, the task which you've just done,

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this is the typical task we do in an MRI scanner with children with

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ADHD and normal children,

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and then we compare the activity in the brain.

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So I can show you how it looks like.

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This is the results.

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What you see here is the activity in the brain of the healthy adolescent.

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So they activate, again, the frontal part of the brain

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and the basal ganglia.

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So, these connections are important for stopping your behaviour.

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These areas are less activated.

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They are activated in the healthy adolescents,

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but they're not activated in ADHD.

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So, you see, this is empty.

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-So, the part of the brain that would inhibit...

-Yeah.

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..you from doing something wrong is simply missing.

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It's simply missing. Well, it's less activated, is less recruited.

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And that's why they are not good in the task.

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-MIMICS DONALD TRUMP:

-That's a big assumption, by the way.

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But I do find you very attractive, so that's OK.

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That was me in character.

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-You're such a good Trump. Isn't he?

-Yeah.

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-You should do a Trump one on TV.

-AS TRUMP:

-There's a line we have to draw.

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I do it all the time, by the way. So... OK.

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So, I think what really struck me there

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was I was expecting to see in an ADHD brain,

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I was expecting to see all sorts of activity -

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you know, all the fun and all the Catherine wheels and all that,

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and being able to say that, "Do you know what, actually,

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"we're so much more clever and we have so much more fun,"

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uh, and instead, there was kind of like a silence,

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saying, "Well, where is it? Where's all that stuff we need?

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"Where are the networks?

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"Where're all these things that typical people have?

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"Where is it?"

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These same questions about the fundamental origins of ADHD

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have puzzled scientists for years.

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So, Rory's come to Germany

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because it was here that some of the earliest

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efforts to understand ADHD were made.

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The very first-known description of ADHD

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appeared in a German textbook in 1775.

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But shortly after, there came a more entertaining version.

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In the 1840s,

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a celebrated German physician called Heinrich Hoffmann wrote and

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illustrated what became a very famous German children's book called

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Shockheaded Peter, bursting with weird and wonderful characters

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based on his patients.

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Like Johnny Head-in-Air, Cruel Frederick, and this one,

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Zappel-Philipp - Fidgety Philip.

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I wonder if there's any merit in reading it like Alan Bennett?

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It goes like this, "Let me see if Philip can be a little gentleman.

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"Let me see if he is able to sit still for once at t'table.

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"But Fidgety Phil, he won't sit still,

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"he wriggles and giggles and then,

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"I declare, swings backwards and forwards and tilts up his chair.

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"Down upon the ground they fall,

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"glasses, plates, knives, forks and all.

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"How Mama did fret and frown when she saw them tumbling down

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"and Papa made such a face. Philip is in sad disgrace."

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Scientists have been chasing an explanation for what causes ADHD

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for hundreds of years.

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But with 21st-century technology, they are now catching up.

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Rory has travelled to the Netherlands

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to meet someone who is searching for the fundamental cause of ADHD -

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by trying to identify the genes involved.

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Good to meet you.

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Nice to meet you.

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To do that, Professor Barbara Franke has turned to an animal

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that's rather easier to handle than humans.

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My lab is trying to understand the pathways

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that lead from genetics to ADHD

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and we are using, among others, flies for that.

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-Flies?!

-Yes.

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-Seriously?

-Yeah.

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Flies have ADHD?

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Well, they can have aspects of ADHD, yes.

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-Wow, this I must see.

-OK, I'm going to show you.

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So, this is the fly lab,

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so we have to put a lab coat on in here.

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Ooh, I now become an expert.

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Right, trust me, I'm a doctor.

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So, here we are.

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This is the lab where we do our experiments.

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-Wow!

-These are the flies.

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So... It looks like a spice rack.

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-What have we got here?

-These are all Drosophila melanogaster.

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-This is the fruit fly.

-So these are all flies?

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-Yes.

-Are they alive flies?

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They are all alive, yeah. If you have a look.

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These are the little buggers you see in summer in your kitchen.

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They have some food down here and they stay there...

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-There's a very distinct smell in here.

-Yeah.

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I was thinking it's not your perfume. What is it?

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-It's yeast.

-It's yeast.

-That's what they feed on.

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So, why flies?

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Because they are excellent models for genetic studies.

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So, the basic mechanisms of how the body works are very much overlapping

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between flies and humans.

0:18:110:18:13

Do they...?

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Do they have an attention deficit

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or are you introducing it to them or are you taking a gene out?

0:18:160:18:19

What are you doing to make this analysis?

0:18:190:18:23

So, from the studies in humans,

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we know several of the genes that contribute to ADHD.

0:18:250:18:30

What we're doing is to alter their expression in the fruit fly

0:18:300:18:34

so we can dial up the activity

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or we can dial down the activity of this gene.

0:18:360:18:39

Is it a particular...always the same...?

0:18:390:18:41

Is it a particular genetic variation?

0:18:410:18:43

No, so there are probably several thousands of genes

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that contribute to ADHD and we now know perhaps 20 to 30 of those.

0:18:470:18:53

OK. So then, knowing that,

0:18:530:18:56

you then manipulate that gene in a fly and analyse the behaviour?

0:18:560:19:03

Yep. Absolutely.

0:19:030:19:05

You're doing a really valuable job.

0:19:050:19:07

-RORY IN HIGH-PITCHED COMIC VOICE:

-Yeah, sure. Thanks very much.

0:19:070:19:11

Barbara and her colleagues are trying to identify

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which of the known ADHD genes

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is associated with precisely which aspect of ADHD behaviour.

0:19:200:19:24

Such as hyperactivity or inattention.

0:19:260:19:28

So, they take groups of flies, each with a single gene altered,

0:19:290:19:34

and see how that affects their behaviour.

0:19:340:19:36

So, this is an experiment

0:19:400:19:42

where we can measure distractibility in flies.

0:19:420:19:46

I'll just get my head around THAT concept!

0:19:460:19:49

So, flies can be... They have an attention span?

0:19:490:19:52

-Oh, yes.

-I know they've got a wingspan,

0:19:520:19:54

-but an attention span?

-Yes, they absolutely have.

0:19:540:19:57

Attention is a very basic behaviour and you need it to survive.

0:19:570:20:02

We're seeing if the gene that's been modified is actually responsible...

0:20:020:20:05

Yeah, causing...

0:20:050:20:07

So, what we see here is a maze in which flies have to decide

0:20:070:20:11

to go left or right.

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We put the flies in here and then they are attracted by the light

0:20:120:20:17

over here, so light is a very strong stimulus attracting flies,

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and they walk through the maze towards this attractor.

0:20:210:20:25

But because we have a monitor here with stripes moving to one side...

0:20:250:20:29

..some of them will get distracted, and the more they are distracted,

0:20:300:20:34

the more they will move to the side where the stripes go.

0:20:340:20:37

So, the impulse will always be to get toward the light.

0:20:370:20:40

Yeah.

0:20:400:20:41

As the flies move through the maze,

0:20:440:20:47

some exit more to the left

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and some more to the right,

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and a machine counts how many take each path.

0:20:510:20:54

-RORY IN COMIC VOICE:

-I like to look at the white light.

0:20:540:20:56

Oh, white light. Oh, green stripes.

0:20:560:20:58

Green stripes on the floor.

0:20:580:21:00

He does look very confused, this fly.

0:21:000:21:02

Green stripes are pretty, pretty. Follow the green stripes.

0:21:020:21:05

-RORY AS NORMAL:

-So, what's the difference?

0:21:050:21:07

How does a very distracted fly behave in this experiment?

0:21:070:21:10

A distracted fly would follow this stimulus that moves to the left more

0:21:110:21:18

than a non-distracted fly.

0:21:180:21:21

-Oh, because that's the direction that the stripe is going in?

-Yeah.

0:21:210:21:24

But I see the fly's point, in a sense,

0:21:240:21:27

it's like the floor beneath your feet is going off.

0:21:270:21:30

I find my eyesight is constantly just going...

0:21:300:21:32

-I'm always, yes...

-Yep.

-Distractible me.

0:21:320:21:35

Barbara has already found one strain of flies

0:21:370:21:39

who are significantly more distractible.

0:21:390:21:42

Which means she's successfully confirmed at least one gene

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that can contribute to ADHD.

0:21:460:21:48

-I could stand around here watching all day, but I must fly.

-BARBARA LAUGHS

0:21:480:21:52

-That was extraordinary.

-OK.

0:21:520:21:55

So, we've identified, or think we've identified

0:21:560:21:59

some of the genes responsible.

0:21:590:22:01

Does that mean that I could be

0:22:010:22:03

or anyone could be genetically tested for ADHD?

0:22:030:22:07

I wish that was the case, but...

0:22:070:22:09

-Oh. no.

-..we cannot, we cannot, unfortunately.

0:22:090:22:12

So, as I said, we have hundreds of thousands of genes

0:22:120:22:15

that contribute and we know only a few of them yet.

0:22:150:22:18

But there's another layer of complexity.

0:22:200:22:22

Oh, dear. My brain's starting to hurt.

0:22:220:22:25

Well, somebody once said that genes are not dictators,

0:22:250:22:28

they are committees. So, genes are not everything that there is.

0:22:280:22:32

There's also the environment,

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because the genes do not work in isolation,

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they will be influenced by the environment.

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So, we have environmental risk factors.

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For example, birth complications...

0:22:420:22:44

..environmental toxins, maltreatment even,

0:22:470:22:50

that increase your risk for ADHD and particularly do so if you also have

0:22:500:22:56

genetic risk factors for ADHD.

0:22:560:22:58

This is called gene-environment interaction.

0:22:580:23:00

With so much science and yet so little certainty,

0:23:030:23:07

Rory's feeling confused.

0:23:070:23:09

I'm really struggling to understand all this,

0:23:110:23:14

because every time I think I get it,

0:23:140:23:16

it gets even more complicated.

0:23:160:23:19

Even the scientists admit that, and they're the experts.

0:23:200:23:23

But what do experts know?

0:23:240:23:26

So, I've learned there are differences in the structure and the

0:23:420:23:46

development of an ADHD brain,

0:23:460:23:50

but these can be different in different people.

0:23:500:23:52

Two people can have different abnormalities

0:23:550:23:58

and yet both still have ADHD.

0:23:580:24:00

And the same's true of symptoms.

0:24:000:24:02

These vary from person to person.

0:24:020:24:03

Some people are hyperactive,

0:24:050:24:07

others might be impulsive and some inattentive.

0:24:070:24:10

And then there are the genes.

0:24:120:24:14

There are hundreds, possibly thousands of genes involved in ADHD.

0:24:140:24:19

And different people can have totally different genes,

0:24:190:24:22

but still all have ADHD.

0:24:220:24:24

And on top of all that,

0:24:270:24:29

there's no specific test, which is really frustrating.

0:24:290:24:33

Rory needs some help.

0:24:400:24:41

So, he's back in London to meet up

0:24:430:24:45

with psychiatrist Professor Peter Hill

0:24:450:24:48

for a science lesson with a twist.

0:24:480:24:51

So, Peter, this is all very confusing, or is it just me?

0:24:550:24:58

No, it's not you at all - it is complex.

0:24:580:25:01

It's a complicated interaction

0:25:010:25:03

between a number of issues and areas.

0:25:030:25:05

People used to think there was one cause of ADHD and we now know that

0:25:050:25:10

actually it's nothing like as simple as that.

0:25:100:25:13

There isn't a single gene that causes it.

0:25:130:25:15

There isn't a single neural network that isn't functioning.

0:25:150:25:18

It is indeed an interplay of multiplicities of all those things.

0:25:180:25:23

OK, so how can we simplify it?

0:25:230:25:26

I wonder if I could use a metaphor and do a bit of cooking just to show

0:25:260:25:31

you what might be going on.

0:25:310:25:33

HE CHUCKLES

0:25:330:25:35

Are you going to take ALL your clothes off?

0:25:400:25:43

Well, why not? That's your cue for the Naked Chef.

0:25:430:25:45

I'll do the jokes!

0:25:450:25:47

I'll go into my Antony Worrall Thompson mode.

0:25:470:25:50

Do you want some help tying that up?

0:25:500:25:52

What I want to do first is make a gingerbread cake

0:25:540:25:58

according to a standard recipe.

0:25:580:26:00

OK, so this is still to do with ADHD, is it?

0:26:000:26:03

-All will be revealed.

-OK.

0:26:040:26:06

I will start with a load of sugar.

0:26:060:26:08

A very specific...

0:26:080:26:10

This is a health-related programme, of course!

0:26:100:26:13

-All extremely healthy.

-You don't get Ainsley Harriott saying, "Just a load of sugar."

0:26:130:26:17

-It's like, how much?

-This is a lot.

0:26:170:26:20

OK, a load of sugar, a lump of butter.

0:26:200:26:23

And an awful lot

0:26:230:26:24

-of black treacle.

-Why are we doing this?

0:26:240:26:26

We're going to make a gingerbread cake,

0:26:260:26:29

which represents an ordinary person

0:26:290:26:32

who does not have ADHD.

0:26:320:26:34

OK. So this is all the right ingredients in the right order.

0:26:340:26:37

Absolutely. Just as the recipe says.

0:26:370:26:40

Lots of flour. You can't make a cake without flour.

0:26:400:26:44

Those will go in as well.

0:26:440:26:45

This, I can cope with.

0:26:460:26:48

And some eggs into the mix.

0:26:480:26:49

Having followed the recipe strictly for the first cake,

0:26:510:26:54

for the next, they change things slightly.

0:26:540:26:57

This time, although we're going to use the same ingredients,

0:26:570:27:00

we're going to cook it for less long.

0:27:000:27:02

So cake number three?

0:27:040:27:06

We're still going to make a gingerbread cake

0:27:060:27:08

but on this occasion we're not putting in any bicarb

0:27:080:27:11

and we're not putting in any eggs.

0:27:110:27:13

So there are things missing from the ingredients.

0:27:130:27:16

-Right, cake number four.

-OK, cake number four.

0:27:170:27:19

We are still making a ginger cake

0:27:190:27:21

but we're not putting in eggs and we're not putting in any spices.

0:27:210:27:24

I think there's a series in this.

0:27:240:27:26

-It's like... Can't Cook, Can't Cook Either.

-No!

0:27:260:27:29

THEY CHUCKLE

0:27:290:27:31

Going to make a little sabayon here.

0:27:330:27:36

Once they're all mixed, they each go into the oven.

0:27:380:27:41

This is like The Holy Grail.

0:27:450:27:47

HE CLIP-CLOPS AND NEIGHS LIKE A HORSE

0:27:470:27:51

Time to stop cooking.

0:27:510:27:52

Right, so time to get these out.

0:27:570:27:59

-Beautiful smell.

-Smells good.

0:27:590:28:02

Gorgeous, isn't it?

0:28:020:28:04

Right. That's number one.

0:28:040:28:06

Yours smells miles better than mine.

0:28:060:28:09

That's because yours hasn't got the spice in.

0:28:090:28:12

-That is still runny.

-Yep.

0:28:120:28:14

Now, this is real cookery.

0:28:150:28:17

Burnt fingers, the smell of singed flesh,

0:28:170:28:21

in association with a delicate aroma.

0:28:210:28:23

Now, these are all gingerbread men.

0:28:230:28:26

Nobody would see them as anything but gingerbread men.

0:28:260:28:29

This is the original, typical gingerbread man.

0:28:290:28:32

Well risen, with all the ingredients well cooked.

0:28:320:28:36

This is a less successful gingerbread man in terms of cooking.

0:28:360:28:40

It has not yet achieved the right texture.

0:28:400:28:43

OK. Cashier number three, please.

0:28:430:28:46

This one has fewer ingredients.

0:28:460:28:48

It's lacking key ingredients - in this case, eggs.

0:28:480:28:51

So its texture is really not great.

0:28:510:28:54

It's not so good.

0:28:540:28:56

The same is true for this rather flatter and paler gingerbread man

0:28:560:29:00

which lacks certain other ingredients.

0:29:000:29:02

In fact, in this case it lacks the ginger, it lacks the bicarb,

0:29:020:29:06

and it's just not as interesting.

0:29:060:29:08

So looking at those, give or take a few characteristics,

0:29:080:29:12

they are recognisable

0:29:120:29:14

but there are any number of factors that could be different.

0:29:140:29:17

So what has that to do with ADHD?

0:29:170:29:20

Well, I would see these two over here,

0:29:200:29:21

the ones that lack different sets of ingredients -

0:29:210:29:24

they are different sets of ingredients

0:29:240:29:26

although they are still gingerbread men -

0:29:260:29:28

as illustrating the impact of the genetic influences.

0:29:280:29:33

The genes that are missing

0:29:330:29:35

or present in stopping things developing.

0:29:350:29:38

So different sets of genes here, different ingredients.

0:29:380:29:41

Different sets of genes here, different ingredients.

0:29:410:29:44

But this is different because of the cooking.

0:29:440:29:47

It is as if it has not had enough growth experience.

0:29:470:29:51

So, for example, babies who are born very, very early indeed

0:29:510:29:56

are at greater risk.

0:29:560:29:57

Not all, but they are at greater risk of getting ADHD.

0:29:570:30:00

-Oh, right.

-So this is environment and this is genetic difference.

0:30:000:30:03

These two are still perfectly edible.

0:30:030:30:06

They just function in a slightly different way from these because

0:30:060:30:09

they have different characteristics.

0:30:090:30:11

That's in the make-up, the way they were cooked,

0:30:110:30:13

-and in the ingredients or genes that they have.

-Yes.

0:30:130:30:16

There are so many ingredients

0:30:160:30:17

that might be missing or that might be added,

0:30:170:30:20

and there are so many ways of cooking,

0:30:200:30:22

that this illustrates a little bit

0:30:220:30:24

of the complexity about gene and environment interactions

0:30:240:30:28

and contributions.

0:30:280:30:30

Genes and environment always interact.

0:30:300:30:33

So there we are, gingerbread men.

0:30:330:30:34

I think this is the only science programme

0:30:340:30:37

with both a helpline and a recipe sheet

0:30:370:30:38

available on the website.

0:30:380:30:40

Mary Berry, eat your heart out.

0:30:420:30:43

So just like the interplay of the ingredients and cooking

0:30:450:30:48

in gingerbread, genes and experience interact in each person,

0:30:480:30:52

creating slightly different versions of ADHD in each.

0:30:520:30:56

Now Rory has got to grips with the science of ADHD,

0:30:580:31:02

the big question is whether he has it himself.

0:31:020:31:05

So today, he's going for a diagnosis.

0:31:050:31:08

This is actually something I've wanted to do ever since I first suspected

0:31:130:31:16

I might have ADHD, but now it's coming to a diagnosis, I feel strangely

0:31:160:31:20

nervous and apprehensive.

0:31:200:31:22

My brain is running all over the place and I don't kind of really know

0:31:220:31:26

what's going to happen.

0:31:260:31:28

'Second floor.'

0:31:280:31:29

He's going to meet psychiatrist and ADHD specialist

0:31:310:31:34

Professor Phil Asherson.

0:31:340:31:36

-Phil.

-Oh, hi.

0:31:360:31:38

-Lovely to see you, Rory.

-Thank you for doing this.

0:31:380:31:41

Thank you so much for coming in today.

0:31:410:31:43

Not at all. I don't know what to expect.

0:31:430:31:44

Well, we're going to spend the day

0:31:440:31:46

doing a full diagnostic assessment of ADHD.

0:31:460:31:48

-OK.

-So it's quite a detailed assessment.

0:31:480:31:50

I'm just going to start by giving you these rating scales.

0:31:500:31:53

It will take you about 15 minutes.

0:31:530:31:55

I'll come back and we'll talk about it then.

0:31:550:31:57

It might take me a bit longer.

0:31:570:31:59

I think my mind is wandering already.

0:32:000:32:02

Let's see how we go.

0:32:020:32:03

-OK.

-Thank you. I'll see you shortly.

0:32:030:32:05

I'm never going to concentrate through all this!

0:32:070:32:10

So, this is a two-way mirror, so we can see Rory, but he can't see us.

0:32:140:32:19

"Excessive or inappropriate use of internet, video games or TV."

0:32:190:32:23

We know there are various deficits,

0:32:240:32:27

various things we can look at in the brain,

0:32:270:32:30

we can measure in the blood, linked to ADHD,

0:32:300:32:33

but they are still not at the point where we can use them as a clinical test.

0:32:330:32:36

In the absence of a biological test,

0:32:360:32:39

they have to take a more low-tech approach.

0:32:390:32:42

When making the diagnosis of ADHD,

0:32:420:32:44

we often use the ratings scales in the first step,

0:32:440:32:46

partly to screen for ADHD and to see what symptoms he feels he has,

0:32:460:32:52

and to get some idea of the severity of these things,

0:32:520:32:55

but the next step would be to review those questions and the answers

0:32:550:33:00

in a very detailed way

0:33:000:33:02

and get a very clear description of the kind of symptoms

0:33:020:33:04

and to make sure that it really is a problem

0:33:040:33:07

with attention regulation and attention deficit

0:33:070:33:10

that is underpinning and causing the problems that he's reporting.

0:33:100:33:15

Once Rory has completed the rating scales, Phil begins the interview.

0:33:170:33:22

One of the interesting things I notice from the rating scales

0:33:220:33:25

you've filled in was first of all that you scored

0:33:250:33:28

yourself as having many more symptoms as a child,

0:33:280:33:32

and then, with your ratings for how you are now,

0:33:320:33:35

where it does seem to be having a big impact on you is in the way

0:33:350:33:38

you kind of feel and think about yourself.

0:33:380:33:41

Your ability to function.

0:33:410:33:43

So for you, it may be the impact is not so much in work,

0:33:430:33:46

but actually outside of the work setting.

0:33:460:33:48

-And balancing it, I think.

-I don't know what you think about that idea.

0:33:480:33:52

Does that make sense to you?

0:33:520:33:53

I do recognise that, because work does give me a focus

0:33:530:33:55

and work gives me a routine.

0:33:550:33:57

Work, when you are doing something against a deadline,

0:33:570:34:00

is less of a problem. It's when I haven't got an outside focus,

0:34:000:34:04

when I haven't got a routine, that it can go to pieces.

0:34:040:34:08

What about simple things like reading a book?

0:34:080:34:10

When you're reading a book, can you read a book right through,

0:34:100:34:14

or is that difficult?

0:34:140:34:15

I find it difficult to read a book unless I'm totally concentrating.

0:34:150:34:19

As often as not, I'll start to read a book and then I have to

0:34:190:34:22

reread it and read again, and then it won't make sense.

0:34:220:34:26

After several hours of discussion,

0:34:280:34:30

Rory is about to find out whether he has ADHD.

0:34:300:34:34

-AS BIG BROTHER NARRATOR:

-ADHD diagnosis, day eight.

0:34:340:34:39

So, I think on the basis of the information you've given me so far,

0:34:390:34:43

I think it's highly likely that you have ADHD.

0:34:430:34:47

When I looked at your rating scales, you scored yourself as having

0:34:470:34:52

all of the symptoms - nine out of nine inattentive,

0:34:520:34:55

nine out of nine hyperactive, impulsive symptoms as a child.

0:34:550:34:59

And also, you scored yourself as being very impaired in

0:34:590:35:03

a wide range of different situations.

0:35:030:35:06

To me, you seem to describe significant problems

0:35:060:35:09

with focusing, keeping on track, being disorganised,

0:35:090:35:14

sustaining your attention.

0:35:140:35:16

When you are not under pressure,

0:35:160:35:18

when you are not doing something that you really want to do,

0:35:180:35:20

-is very difficult for you.

-Mm-hm.

0:35:200:35:23

It's an answer at last -

0:35:230:35:26

a confirmation of what Rory always suspected.

0:35:260:35:29

But the next day, Rory is feeling less comfortable about the diagnosis.

0:35:320:35:37

To some extent, that diagnosis was

0:35:390:35:41

an admission of failure in many aspects of my life.

0:35:410:35:44

It turns out that being confronted with the reality of it,

0:35:440:35:49

and a list of things which in many senses are failings,

0:35:490:35:54

and the kind of exposure of many things

0:35:540:35:57

that show that you can't really handle

0:35:570:36:00

or manage lots of aspects of your life,

0:36:000:36:02

is more, um, more overwhelming than I thought.

0:36:020:36:08

But for people who do have ADHD, there are ways of dealing with it,

0:36:080:36:13

and that can begin with the environment you live in.

0:36:130:36:16

It seems that the very worst environment for ADHD might be

0:36:170:36:21

our very own 21st-century world.

0:36:210:36:23

Modern life has gotten repetitive,

0:36:240:36:27

too dull or too repetitive, redundant,

0:36:270:36:30

and as a result, mundane or boring.

0:36:300:36:34

Salif Mahamane is studying

0:36:350:36:37

how our physical environment affects our attention.

0:36:370:36:40

We do the same things, day in and day out.

0:36:400:36:43

Often we'll go from a small house to a small office and we do

0:36:430:36:47

the same things day in and day out,

0:36:470:36:48

stopping maybe at the grocery store and then going home.

0:36:480:36:52

And those are the things

0:36:520:36:54

that just don't really do it for people who have ADHD.

0:36:540:36:59

Salif believes the problem is that an urban,

0:36:590:37:02

indoors environment is lacking spontaneity or surprises.

0:37:020:37:06

Anything that's going to happen in indoor environments

0:37:060:37:09

is going to be caused by you.

0:37:090:37:10

You have to make that thing happen, as opposed to interesting things

0:37:100:37:14

happening around you.

0:37:140:37:16

And Salif should know -

0:37:160:37:19

he has ADHD himself.

0:37:190:37:20

It was kind of weird,

0:37:220:37:23

it was very ironic that I actually study attention

0:37:230:37:26

and turned out to have ADHD myself.

0:37:260:37:30

When I'm inside, I feel like a caged animal.

0:37:300:37:33

I just want to get outside.

0:37:330:37:35

When I come outside, I feel much more alive.

0:37:430:37:45

I think in modern life, that is focused on being indoors,

0:37:450:37:48

we become really out of touch

0:37:480:37:50

with the environment that we are adapted for.

0:37:500:37:52

Salif believes that by changing his environment,

0:37:560:37:58

he can transform his mental focus.

0:37:580:38:00

It feels a lot better to be outside.

0:38:030:38:06

There are so many different things going on that I can hear.

0:38:070:38:10

Birds chirping,

0:38:100:38:12

I can hear a small rustling.

0:38:120:38:15

The wind and the raindrops.

0:38:170:38:18

It feels a lot more...

0:38:200:38:21

..I wanted to say natural.

0:38:230:38:25

It feels more natural for me as a person.

0:38:250:38:27

This is where I thrive.

0:38:270:38:28

According to Salif, there is a reason for that.

0:38:300:38:32

All of human evolution took place in a natural environment.

0:38:350:38:39

So, our attentional mechanisms,

0:38:390:38:42

just like the rest of our brains and our bodies,

0:38:420:38:45

are adapted for that environment.

0:38:450:38:47

Therefore, it is not surprising

0:38:470:38:49

that it is good for everybody's ability to

0:38:490:38:51

focus attention to be outside, and especially for people with ADHD.

0:38:510:38:56

Outdoor environments have been shown to reduce ADHD symptoms in a number

0:38:560:39:01

of studies, but more than that,

0:39:010:39:03

Salif believes that people with ADHD

0:39:030:39:05

are actually more in tune with these surroundings.

0:39:050:39:09

Some scientists think that people with ADHD were more

0:39:090:39:14

explorative, and pursuing their thirst for novelty and curiosities,

0:39:140:39:19

would have pushed further to find

0:39:190:39:21

resources and things like that

0:39:210:39:23

during a hunting and gathering lifestyle.

0:39:230:39:26

So, we would have been more the pathfinders.

0:39:260:39:29

And it turns out that while that might be a very useful role to play,

0:39:300:39:35

it's potentially also a very dangerous one.

0:39:350:39:38

Rory is going to meet someone who believes that rather than being

0:39:420:39:45

just pathfinders during human evolution...

0:39:450:39:48

-Jonathan, hello.

-Nice to meet you.

-And you.

0:39:480:39:50

What a wonderful room, it really is.

0:39:500:39:53

..people with ADHD might also have acted like minesweepers.

0:39:530:39:58

I did wonder, why hadn't these genes died out?

0:39:580:40:00

It didn't really make sense.

0:40:000:40:02

I think we need to have people like this around.

0:40:020:40:05

Somebody with ADHD is typically best

0:40:050:40:08

at making mistakes,

0:40:080:40:11

doing dangerous things,

0:40:110:40:12

and then all of society around him learns

0:40:120:40:15

from the cost of those errors.

0:40:150:40:17

So, can you give us examples of that risk-taking?

0:40:170:40:19

One of the best examples I can think of are sharks.

0:40:190:40:23

It's a few thousand years ago.

0:40:230:40:24

Suppose there was a little village here

0:40:240:40:27

and a boy decides to go swimming in the ocean. It's terribly hot.

0:40:270:40:31

And a shark comes along and eats him.

0:40:310:40:35

OK.

0:40:350:40:36

Major disaster.

0:40:360:40:38

Now, that's not just a tragedy for him,

0:40:380:40:42

it's not just a tragedy for his family,

0:40:420:40:44

this is major for his village.

0:40:440:40:46

News will travel like wildfire.

0:40:460:40:48

All the parents in that village will be keeping their kids from swimming

0:40:480:40:51

in the sea and the information will spread to neighbouring villages

0:40:510:40:55

up and down the coast. So this one boy's tragic death has led to major

0:40:550:41:00

improvements in safety

0:41:000:41:02

for potentially hundreds of people living along

0:41:020:41:05

this part of the coast.

0:41:050:41:07

So, it has alerted us to the risk?

0:41:070:41:08

Absolutely. Suppose there is another village over here, which is full of

0:41:080:41:12

people who are all very, very similar to each other -

0:41:120:41:15

highly predictable people who like doing things together.

0:41:150:41:20

Now, what happens is one day,

0:41:200:41:21

they decide to all swim in the sea together,

0:41:210:41:24

but unfortunately, they all get eaten by sharks.

0:41:240:41:28

-Mm-hm.

-OK? The entire village has disappeared

0:41:280:41:31

off the face of the Earth.

0:41:310:41:33

Now, if the entire village disappears,

0:41:330:41:36

the information can't spread,

0:41:360:41:39

there's this terrible waste of human life caused by the fact

0:41:390:41:43

that they were too homogenous.

0:41:430:41:45

What they needed instead was to be like these villages, where people

0:41:450:41:48

act as individuals when they are doing risky things.

0:41:480:41:52

That means there have to be small proportions of people in any society

0:41:520:41:57

-doing risky things.

-Mm-hm.

0:41:570:41:59

So if you look at a map nowadays on the internet,

0:41:590:42:02

you can find a worldwide map

0:42:020:42:04

of all the shark attacks in the last ten years.

0:42:040:42:06

None of it is information that has been collected

0:42:060:42:09

in an organised, pre-planned way.

0:42:090:42:12

It has been found out by individuals the hard way?

0:42:120:42:14

That's right, and a disproportionate number of them would have had ADHD.

0:42:140:42:19

I think evolution has created a subset,

0:42:190:42:23

an important subpopulation of human beings,

0:42:230:42:25

that try out risky things for the benefit of everybody else.

0:42:250:42:29

It's almost like an image of, I don't know,

0:42:290:42:32

First World War trenches,

0:42:320:42:33

and they need to know where the German positions are.

0:42:330:42:35

So the sergeant says,

0:42:350:42:37

"Perkins, would you mind standing up and walking over there?"

0:42:370:42:41

Boom!

0:42:410:42:42

And it's not great for Perkins,

0:42:420:42:44

but I suppose the rest of the company will know

0:42:440:42:46

where the German positions are.

0:42:460:42:49

Absolutely, but the typical person with ADHD

0:42:490:42:51

is not going to wait to be told,

0:42:510:42:54

but would be deciding to run off and have a little look,

0:42:540:42:57

-because he's bored.

-He'll just do it himself!

0:42:570:43:00

-Absolutely.

-"I'm so bored, I'm just going to walk into enemy gunfire."

0:43:000:43:04

"OK, well, I'm terribly sorry, Perkins.

0:43:040:43:07

"Look, there he is. Well, let that be a lesson to you.

0:43:070:43:09

"That's ADHD, chaps.

0:43:090:43:11

"Now, let's play football."

0:43:110:43:13

While ADHD might have been good for societies in the past,

0:43:130:43:17

in our modern world, it's arguably much less useful,

0:43:170:43:20

which can be a problem.

0:43:200:43:22

The desire to take risks can lead

0:43:240:43:26

people with ADHD into trouble and even crime.

0:43:260:43:30

Amy Sweet is a talented hockey player

0:43:300:43:33

who had hopes of playing for her country.

0:43:330:43:36

I used to play for Avon County when I was 16

0:43:360:43:39

and trained with the West of England squad.

0:43:390:43:42

But severe ADHD put a stop to Amy's dreams

0:43:420:43:46

when she started acting unpredictably.

0:43:460:43:49

2013, I decided I would go and graffiti a shopping centre.

0:43:510:43:57

I just went down

0:43:570:43:59

and just was walking around really bored and decided

0:43:590:44:03

I was going to put my name on the metal posts.

0:44:030:44:06

This is where I done the graffiti.

0:44:080:44:09

I used a marker pen, it was just something I did in a moment.

0:44:090:44:14

Amy was arrested and taken to court, where she was issued with an ASBO,

0:44:150:44:19

or antisocial behaviour order.

0:44:190:44:21

It's not the first time Amy has been in trouble.

0:44:230:44:25

This is my folder of letters from the police.

0:44:280:44:31

This is about when I went to court for the antisocial behaviour order.

0:44:310:44:36

This is the community payback, when I had to do community service.

0:44:360:44:40

This letter is an acceptable behaviour contract -

0:44:400:44:43

me and a police officer agreed that I would not do certain behaviours

0:44:430:44:46

in a public place.

0:44:460:44:48

This one is to say that I had breached

0:44:480:44:50

the acceptable behaviour contract.

0:44:500:44:52

This one is from the police,

0:44:520:44:55

saying that I threw snowballs at a police community support officer.

0:44:550:45:00

This one is when I was charged when I bit my dad on the thumb,

0:45:000:45:04

when I was charged with common assault.

0:45:040:45:06

This one is for my criminal damage, when I smashed a window,

0:45:060:45:09

and arson, when I set fire to some bins.

0:45:090:45:13

And this one is the community order for one year.

0:45:130:45:16

Amy's misdemeanours are always of this same, impulsive type,

0:45:160:45:20

as her dad has noticed.

0:45:200:45:22

At the time, I don't think I do worry,

0:45:220:45:24

but now, maybe looking back, yeah.

0:45:240:45:27

You just used to live in the there and then, didn't you?

0:45:270:45:29

-Yeah.

-It was...

0:45:290:45:31

She'd do something - after, she'd be very sorry, always.

0:45:310:45:35

Never, like, "I don't care" -

0:45:350:45:36

she was always sorry after the event,

0:45:360:45:39

cos it would sink in, what she'd done.

0:45:390:45:42

The link between ADHD and offending is extremely complex.

0:45:420:45:46

Not everyone with ADHD is an offender,

0:45:460:45:49

but there is an association.

0:45:490:45:52

Whilst only 3% of adults have ADHD,

0:45:520:45:55

amongst prison inmates, that figure is closer to 30%.

0:45:550:45:59

And their offences do tend to be of a certain impulsive type,

0:45:590:46:03

such as shoplifting and speeding.

0:46:030:46:05

Sometimes I just wish, not I was normal,

0:46:060:46:08

but I wish I could make decisions before I do something.

0:46:080:46:11

But one thing has enabled Amy to get her behaviour under control.

0:46:110:46:15

I take this medication every morning, when I get up.

0:46:170:46:20

It helps me improve my concentration and stay focused.

0:46:200:46:24

It has made a big difference in my life.

0:46:240:46:26

I think sometimes, with the medication,

0:46:280:46:31

it's allowed me a lot more to think before I do something.

0:46:310:46:34

While Amy is not playing at the same level as before,

0:46:360:46:38

she's back on the pitch.

0:46:380:46:41

I can go and release my anger or stress, but also release all

0:46:410:46:46

my energy, and channel it into something good.

0:46:460:46:49

Medication has helped Amy get her life back on track.

0:46:510:46:55

But because everyone's biology is different,

0:46:550:46:58

it doesn't work for everyone.

0:46:580:47:00

One of the key problems faced by people with ADHD

0:47:050:47:09

is controlling their attention.

0:47:090:47:11

Multiple thoughts slide around in different directions,

0:47:120:47:15

all at the same time.

0:47:150:47:17

The challenge is to focus and keep thoughts along one single track.

0:47:180:47:22

So, Rory's gone back to Germany,

0:47:240:47:26

this time to the University of Tubingen,

0:47:260:47:29

where they're working on a promising new technique called neurofeedback.

0:47:290:47:33

-Friederike!

-Hi, good morning, nice to meet you.

0:47:330:47:35

Good to meet you. And you. So, what is it you do here?

0:47:350:47:38

The idea is to train the unruly ADHD brain

0:47:380:47:41

in the art of controlling attention.

0:47:410:47:43

Friederike Blume is one of the lead researchers on the project.

0:47:450:47:48

So, in really simple terms...

0:47:480:47:51

-Mm-hmm.

-..what are we doing here?

0:47:510:47:52

What does this do, in really simple terms?

0:47:520:47:55

In really simple terms,

0:47:550:47:57

you will be able to voluntarily control

0:47:570:47:59

-the activity of your brain.

-OK, right.

0:47:590:48:02

And that's your last patient?

0:48:020:48:04

No, that's not our last patient!

0:48:040:48:06

-So, I'm going to put this thing on?

-Yes.

0:48:060:48:08

Oh, right, so...

0:48:080:48:09

OK. This is like going to the hairdresser.

0:48:090:48:11

By measuring oxygen in the blood at the surface of Rory's brain,

0:48:130:48:16

the cap will detect which areas are most active...

0:48:160:48:18

You're not going to electrocute me, are you?

0:48:180:48:21

Oh, my God, silence - that means you are!

0:48:210:48:24

..and so, whether he's concentrating.

0:48:240:48:26

Feels like Cinderella.

0:48:260:48:28

It DOES fit!

0:48:280:48:29

To start the training, Rory enters a virtual world.

0:48:320:48:35

-Right, so... So, I'm now sitting in a classroom...

-Yes.

0:48:370:48:41

..in the second row of a classroom.

0:48:410:48:43

That's my... That's weird, because that's my desk.

0:48:430:48:46

Oh, god! I've got a pupil next to me!

0:48:460:48:49

Just extraordinary!

0:48:500:48:53

OK. Now, as soon as we start the training,

0:48:530:48:56

you will see an arrow on the blackboard either pointing upwards

0:48:560:48:59

or downwards. When it points upwards,

0:48:590:49:01

your job is to increase the lighting in the classroom.

0:49:010:49:05

And when the arrow's pointing downwards,

0:49:050:49:07

then you have to decrease lighting in the classroom.

0:49:070:49:10

So, how do I do that?

0:49:100:49:12

Many children and adults think about something nice,

0:49:120:49:15

or about something not so nice.

0:49:150:49:17

-And you're now allowed to explore and see what strategies work.

-Wow!

0:49:170:49:23

-OK?

-Right.

-Right, then, we start the training.

0:49:230:49:28

Thinking nice and not-nice thoughts

0:49:280:49:31

is just one example of how to control the light.

0:49:310:49:34

What's crucial is to learn

0:49:340:49:36

the feeling of purposefully switching on

0:49:360:49:39

and having control over his thoughts.

0:49:390:49:41

First, the arrow points up, so Rory conjures positive thoughts.

0:49:420:49:47

I'm thinking about the first tee at St Andrews on a beautiful day,

0:49:470:49:52

with the golf course in front of me,

0:49:520:49:54

and excited and with friends and looking forward to that -

0:49:540:49:57

holding that image in my head.

0:49:570:49:59

The cap detects which areas of Rory's brain are activated, and how much,

0:49:590:50:04

which in turn is related to how much he's concentrating.

0:50:040:50:08

This feeds back into the VR system to raise the lights in the classroom.

0:50:080:50:12

COMPUTER SPEAKS GERMAN AND RORY REPEATS

0:50:120:50:16

Ooh, that's exceptional!

0:50:160:50:18

An encouraging comment and smiley face provide extra feedback

0:50:180:50:22

when the lights are successfully raised.

0:50:220:50:24

So, what we'd probably tell a child

0:50:250:50:28

is not to move too much and sit calmly.

0:50:280:50:32

Next, Rory learns to control switching his thoughts,

0:50:320:50:35

deliberately changing focus from happy thoughts to sad.

0:50:350:50:39

So, now, the arrow points down.

0:50:390:50:41

Down one's lowering the light, so I'm thinking of a very cold,

0:50:430:50:46

miserable day, with the rain beating down, going down your neck,

0:50:460:50:50

or feeling sick.

0:50:500:50:52

Just the nasty, the dark and the bad thoughts.

0:50:520:50:57

COMPUTER SPEAKS GERMAN

0:50:570:51:00

OK, Rory, well done.

0:51:000:51:03

God, how weird that feels.

0:51:030:51:05

HE GROANS

0:51:070:51:11

It's a big, conscious effort of will, it really is.

0:51:130:51:16

-Yeah.

-Mm-hm.

-And I don't know, I mean, for other reasons...

0:51:160:51:19

Well, it's sort of like,

0:51:190:51:21

if you were to go to the gym for the first time in your life,

0:51:210:51:24

you're going to be really sore immediately following it,

0:51:240:51:26

and even the next day, and so on.

0:51:260:51:29

So, let's turn the lights back on.

0:51:290:51:31

Ooh!

0:51:330:51:34

So, next time I try to read a book,

0:51:340:51:37

should I be sort of physically summoning up that feeling,

0:51:370:51:42

that state of mind...

0:51:420:51:43

-Mm-hmm.

-..of happy, warm...?

-Yeah.

0:51:430:51:47

-What's that?!

-That's what we give the children.

0:51:480:51:51

-I see!

-So, you might just take that,

0:51:510:51:55

and as a reminder of what you thought

0:51:550:51:57

and how you felt like in the training situation,

0:51:570:52:00

when you tried to increase the lighting.

0:52:000:52:03

-Well, thank you.

-You're welcome.

-That was really, really fascinating.

0:52:030:52:07

-That was great.

-It was our pleasure.

0:52:070:52:09

For Rory, treatment is optional.

0:52:120:52:15

His ADHD is mild, and he's channelled it

0:52:150:52:18

into a successful comedy career.

0:52:180:52:20

But he wants to try one last experiment.

0:52:200:52:23

Would medication improve his performance, or kill it?

0:52:230:52:27

Over the last few weeks, Rory's perspective on his ADHD has altered.

0:52:270:52:33

Funnily enough, that formal diagnosis changed things,

0:52:330:52:36

because whereas it previously had been an elephant in the room

0:52:360:52:39

that I kind of quite enjoyed,

0:52:390:52:41

and I sort of would just occasionally point out to people,

0:52:410:52:44

I think the formal diagnosis woke up the elephant,

0:52:440:52:48

and for the last few weeks, I've been sharing

0:52:480:52:51

an increasingly smaller room with an increasingly larger elephant.

0:52:510:52:57

So, today marks a different stage,

0:52:570:52:59

where I'm going to see how this elephant responds to medication.

0:52:590:53:03

And that's a big step.

0:53:040:53:07

OK.

0:53:070:53:08

I think it's very, very important

0:53:080:53:09

that any stand-up comedian should have with them

0:53:090:53:12

in the dressing room at all times a consultant psychiatrist.

0:53:120:53:16

Isn't that right, Phil?

0:53:160:53:18

Oh, absolutely.

0:53:180:53:19

-So, what have we got here?

-Well, it's methylphenidate,

0:53:190:53:22

but it's got a name that's called Tranquilyn.

0:53:220:53:24

-Tranquilyn!

-But it's the same as what they used to call Ritalin.

0:53:240:53:27

Why...? I should just be darted!

0:53:270:53:29

Right, now, I've...

0:53:290:53:31

You know, I've... I've wondered what it would be like

0:53:310:53:33

-for a long, long time.

-Mmm.

-And this is scary.

0:53:330:53:36

I really don't know what it's going to do.

0:53:360:53:38

-Mmm.

-Whether it's going to speed me up,

0:53:380:53:41

-or slow me down.

-Mmm.

0:53:410:53:43

Erm... Oh, my God - my hands!

0:53:430:53:47

-OK, all right.

-We're not expecting it to...

0:53:470:53:49

How long have you been a drug dealer?

0:53:490:53:51

-We're not expecting it to speed you up.

-OK, here we go.

0:53:510:53:53

It's the kind of paradoxical effect -

0:53:530:53:55

it should slow you down,

0:53:550:53:57

just give you more control, you should feel more in control.

0:53:570:54:00

It's interesting that the first time I'm taking these

0:54:040:54:07

is half an hour before I go onstage.

0:54:070:54:09

But it should be a pretty good test of...

0:54:090:54:12

..of the effect they have. So, erm, let's see how it goes.

0:54:140:54:18

Wish me luck.

0:54:240:54:26

Phil thinks Rory needn't worry.

0:54:290:54:32

Many people use methylphenidate.

0:54:320:54:34

There were over one million prescriptions last year

0:54:340:54:37

in England alone.

0:54:370:54:38

Methylphenidate is the same as Ritalin - that was the original

0:54:380:54:42

drug that was used, it was called Ritalin.

0:54:420:54:46

Erm, it's quite hard to understand why it's got such a bad reputation.

0:54:460:54:51

I think it may be because anything around giving drugs to children,

0:54:510:54:56

in particular, is something

0:54:560:54:57

one naturally wants to be rather sort of cautious about.

0:54:570:55:01

I mean, it is also related to stimulants.

0:55:010:55:04

And so, things like cocaine, for example, or speed - and, of course,

0:55:040:55:08

they're also controlled drugs.

0:55:080:55:10

But surprisingly, you know, when you take this medication in the normal,

0:55:100:55:15

therapeutic way, you know, it's not addictive.

0:55:150:55:18

It's not known exactly how stimulants slow down the ADHD brain.

0:55:190:55:24

It seems paradoxical.

0:55:240:55:25

But it's thought they increase activity in those parts of the brain

0:55:250:55:29

that are less developed.

0:55:290:55:31

This medication sort of gives the brain a boost,

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so that's kind of why they're stimulants,

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and so they can actually sort of help you to focus.

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Methylphenidate, of course, has some side effects,

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all drugs have side effects.

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Some people feel a little bit more nervous

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or a little bit more restless.

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And that would really indicate

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it's not going to be the right sort of medication for you.

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Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to Soho Theatre.

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Please put your hands together for Rory Bremner!

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CHEERING AND APPLAUSE

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Thank you!

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Thank you for... Thank you very much indeed.

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Thank you, it's great to see so many of you here.

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-AS DONALD TRUMP:

-We got a lot of people...

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So many folks here tonight, folks. We got...

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We must have 50,000 here tonight.

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We got 50,000 people...

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They say that there is only 150 - they're bad people.

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They're such bad...

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Got so many bad people, folks - judges, attorney-generals,

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Republican senators - bad people, folks, bad...

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'I feel quite clear-headed.'

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It's a bit like somebody's switched my brain

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from techno and Radio 1 to...Classic FM.

0:56:350:56:41

-AS JEREMY CLARKSON:

-We've got a Prime Minister called May,

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a Chancellor called Hammond...

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What could possibly go wrong?

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The music in my brain is not

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pounding and...rapid and...switching.

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It's sort of calmer,

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and more...more serene.

0:57:030:57:08

-AS BORIS JOHNSON:

-I... I stand before you now, the, er...

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the unlikely lovechild of Angela Merkel and Donald Trump,

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ladies and gentlemen. I, er...

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'The question is whether I want'

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that high excitement and panic,

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or whether I want a kind of more controlled chaos.

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And I think in a sense,

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for a comedian, a controlled chaos is not a bad state.

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-Thank you.

-APPLAUSE

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'It's something that I need to experiment with.'

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Over the last few weeks,

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Rory has found out what causes ADHD and why it exists.

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But also, that he definitely has it himself.

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I think what's really struck me in the making of this film was,

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I always knew that people with ADHD, that we were different.

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But now, I realise it's not just because we behave differently,

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it's because our brains ARE different.

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I hadn't really thought of people with ADHD

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as being essentially shark bait before.

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But if you think about it, if we are the ones who take the risks,

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if we're the ones who blaze a trail,

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if we're the ones who go that much further, and in going further,

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we show people where the boundaries are

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and where the possibilities are, then that's great.

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We'll have that.

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