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The sea - the lifeblood of our island nation. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:12 | |
Some 10,000 species are known to live in British waters. | 0:00:12 | 0:00:16 | |
Yet this undersea world is endangered | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
from our indifference and exploitation. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
Tonight, I'll find out why seahorses are under threat. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:26 | |
Nobody has done a single thing | 0:00:26 | 0:00:27 | |
to protect seahorses in the wild, under water. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
Why fishermen feel aggrieved. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:34 | |
We are just seen to be rapists and pillagers of the sea | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
and that's not the case. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:39 | |
And look at how our ocean inhabitants might be protected in the future. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:46 | |
If I'm honest with you our record when it comes to marine conservation | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
is pretty patchy. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:50 | |
Perhaps that's because for the likes of you and I, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:53 | |
it's out of sight out of mind. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
So, join me because I'm on a quest | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
to find out what the future actually holds for our marine creatures. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
I'm on a quest to find out the truth about wildlife. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:07 | |
Grey skies, a biting wind, it's the great British seaside, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:43 | |
the closest most of us get to the salty stuff. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
Here on the beach near Brighton the rocks are rich | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
with unlikely seaside stars. Limpets. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
I know they don't look much | 0:01:53 | 0:01:54 | |
but they do play a valuable role in the ecosystem on this shore. | 0:01:54 | 0:02:00 | |
These animals are grazers. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:02 | |
If you like, they are the sheep of the shore. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:06 | |
At the moment they are resting on the rock here in this shelter | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
but when tide comes in they'll become active | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
and they will roam, yes, roam, all over the surface of this rock | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
eating the algae that grows on it. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
And, the only reason that this rock is clear of algae | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
is a bit of wave and wear and tear, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
but also because it's been scoured by these limpets. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
So without limpets the balance of life on this shore | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
could easily be turned upside down. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
Believe it or not, the Portuguese love eating them | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
and I'm joining Mario and John for breakfast. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
These limpets didn't get eaten and they're still alive | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
and the naturalist in me says, "I've got to save them." | 0:02:48 | 0:02:54 | |
My good deed for the day. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:01 | |
-Are they done then? -Yep! All done. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
That'll be good, will it? | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
You may be wondering what eating limpets has got to do with conservation. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
That's superb. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
It's really, really tasty. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:22 | |
I feel a bit of a traitor saying that, though. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
I'm eating the cast! | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
So, if a few people come along the shore here and collect a few limpets | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
it's a bit like us going out on a summer's afternoon and picking a few blackberries. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:42 | |
But if hordes of people were to come and completely denude the beach | 0:03:42 | 0:03:46 | |
it would be a catastrophe. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
That over-harvesting might not be happening here, on shore, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:53 | |
but it's certainly happening out there at sea. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:56 | |
This is a scallop dredge at work. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
These pictures from a research video show how the teeth of the trawl | 0:04:03 | 0:04:09 | |
rake along the seabed. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:10 | |
Everything, everything, including starfish, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
is churned up as the dredge speeds over the boulders. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
It's relentless. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
Eventually the seabed gets so worn it looks like this. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
This is a reef off Lyme Bay on the Dorset coast. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
Rare, slow-growing pink sea fans lie broken. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
These pictures helped convince the Government | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
to ban scallop dredging from 60 square miles here, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
but it took 16 years to get that ban. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:41 | |
Lyme Bay was the forerunner of what's happening now. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
A new network of marine conservation zones will ring Britain's coast. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
Some zones may restrict fishing or ban it outright. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
How do fishermen feel about this? | 0:04:54 | 0:04:56 | |
Morning! | 0:04:56 | 0:04:59 | |
How are you? | 0:04:59 | 0:05:00 | |
-Fine, yourself? -Well, I'm all right at the moment. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
'I'm taking to a South Devon scallop boat to find out. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:09 | |
'Dave Hurford has been fishing all his life. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:12 | |
'Seven months of the year it's sprats, the rest, scallops. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
'The Lyme Bay closure still rankles.' | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
How aggrieved were the fishermen? | 0:05:22 | 0:05:25 | |
-Are they really bitter about it? -I think they are. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:28 | |
They've closed 60 square miles of ground off, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
but a lot of that ground still could be fished quite easily. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
And, not doing any harm to anything. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
Why don't you trust the fishery scientists, the conservationists? | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
I think that the scientists... I don't believe the scientists, no, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
because the scientists get it wrong with the fish quotas. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
There are species of fish which are much more abundant than they were years ago | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
and they're being dumped back into the sea. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
It's a total waste of a resource. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
I would argue, that's paperwork, that's bureaucracy, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
-that's European regulation. -Yeah. -It's not fish science. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
I would argue that the fish science has got to a point of understanding | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
where we know we have to protect the stocks | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
to give you guys a sustainable future and keep the seas | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
rich enough to function. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:20 | |
We want to see a sustainable stock of fish of all species | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
for years to come, of course we do, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
but there's lots of areas that are already closed off, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
like the crabbing areas. All that is breeding ground for fish. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
Scallops are fast breeders with no quota, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
so more fishermen are going after them. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
When the scallop grows it produces these rings on its shell. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:53 | |
You can see there's a pale one here. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
We used to think these equated to annual growth rings, | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
like those we find on trees. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
It may or may not be the case, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
these are clearly periods where the animals are growing more quickly | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
because it's finding a lot more food. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
And these can live up to 20 years. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
20 years, you wouldn't think it, would you? | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
That is, of course, unless they get caught. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
There doesn't seem to be a lot of stuff in here that isn't scallops. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
No, the odd swimmer crab and the odd starfish, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:31 | |
nothing of any consequence. The ones that are undersized, below 100ml go straight back. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:35 | |
Anything that looks a little bit dodgy, will be measured. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
Anything that's not big enough will go back in. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
Fishermen are involved in drawing up the map of these conservation zones | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
but Dave feels that no-one's really listening to them. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:51 | |
-Are you being bullied? -You are. | 0:07:51 | 0:07:55 | |
At the end of the day all of this has been decided behind closed doors. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
Everybody can bleat all they like, it's going to happen and that's that. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
Let's hope not all our fishermen friends are quite so gloomy. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:08 | |
To be honest with you, Lyme Bay has become a bit of a cause celebre | 0:08:15 | 0:08:20 | |
in the conservation world on account of | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
all of the animosity and bickering | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
we had to go through to get the ban in place. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
So the big question is, of course, | 0:08:28 | 0:08:30 | |
has it actually paid off - has it worked? | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
The reefs are being monitored by Plymouth University researchers. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:40 | |
Two years on from the ban, this reef outside the closed area | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
is still being fished and the seabed is bare. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
There's little sign of any life. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
Inside, where the dredging's stopped, it's different. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
Look, wonderful sponges colonising the seabed, | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
a hungry crab is lured in by mackerel in the bait box | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
and there's a pink sea fan growing. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
We have to say that's encouraging, | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
there are definitely signs of recovery there. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
It's only through monitoring sites like this where fishing has been restricted | 0:09:23 | 0:09:28 | |
that we could then argue the case to create areas where there's absolutely no fishing at all. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:34 | |
What we are going to call, "no take zones." | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
Well, at the moment, there are only two "no take zones" | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
in all of the English waters | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
and I'm off to see how the oldest one, Lundy Island, is doing. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
This granite outpost in the Bristol Channel | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
has been a marine nature reserve for 25 years. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
Eight years ago, lobster potting and all other fishing, | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
was banned from the east coast of the island. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
There's a carnival of life going on down there, | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
but let's not get too carried away. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:09 | |
Here we are on a misty morning but let's be clear from the start | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
we haven't come here to celebrate | 0:10:14 | 0:10:15 | |
a great British marine conservation success | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
because sadly the protected area is insignificantly small. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
But it is tremendously valuable, | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
it has given us the opportunity to measure scientifically | 0:10:26 | 0:10:29 | |
the benefits of this "no take zone." | 0:10:29 | 0:10:32 | |
Monitoring over four years here showed a five-fold increase in lobster numbers. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:39 | |
but the scientist in charge says he saw little change in other species. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:44 | |
Part of the reason for the "no take zone" being set up | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
was a concern that the potting activity | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
was damaging other species of conservation importance | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
like pink sea fans and sponges and other soft corals | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
but we didn't find any evidence in the short period | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
that we were studying it that they were recovering. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
But I have to say some of these effects of "no take zones" | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
can take 20 to 30 years to emerge. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
We wouldn't expect some of these benefits to be instantly obvious. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:13 | |
That seems to make sense and, in fact, there's been no monitoring here for three years, | 0:11:13 | 0:11:19 | |
so our divers are going to see what they can find. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
Cold damp, wet, that's the divers. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:31 | |
Warm tea, relatively warm clothes, comfortable on deck, that's me. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:40 | |
'We've got a lobster.' | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
See what you can get some shots of and I'll look forward to seeing it. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
Will do. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
Meanwhile, we'll put the kettle on. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
Despite my sarcasm, I'm itching to see what the divers have found down there. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:59 | |
Does this look like a rich, marine environment because it's a "no take zone"? | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
There's definitely more life in a concentrated area | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
than where I live out of Plymouth. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:11 | |
That was really good for me to see. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
Look, guys, I know it was tough down there. It is March, not September. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
It was a bit silty but we can see there is a richness of life. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
Yeah, there's lots of life coming on all the rock. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:29 | |
That's a pink sea fan, which are very fragile and prone to damage. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:33 | |
Looking under the nooks and crannies is where you'll find your shellfish. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:38 | |
There's a little, juvenile, nosey lobster at this point. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
OK, next up. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
-This was a bigger fella. -Oh, yeah. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
A little bit more playful, this one. Hopefully he'll give us a turn. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
He's probably about nine inches down the carapace. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
It's really nice to see a good variety of sizes. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
They're obviously growing and sticking in the environment. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
It's coming out a treat. Look at that. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
-Beautiful thing. -A lovely blue colour in this one. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:06 | |
A nice orange antennae. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
Blue legs. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:09 | |
I know a lot of you at home are thinking, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:12 | |
"You know, what is this? You're showing us a lobster, this isn't sexy wildlife." | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
People come to Lundy to see puffins. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
This is a fantastic animal, I have to say. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
Lundy's seabeds are thriving, but getting a "no take zone" was an easy win, | 0:13:24 | 0:13:30 | |
it was already a marine nature reserve. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
It won't be as easy where many more competing interests clash | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
and more jobs are at stake. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
The only way you can resolve those debates is by doing these studies. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
It would be helpful to have more, it would take out a lot of the heat. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
A lot of it comes down to money, funding from Government. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
But also having people in the Government agencies | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
that are scientifically minded, that they are aware that the decisions that designate these things | 0:13:54 | 0:14:00 | |
shouldn't be the end point of management, it should be the starting point | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
for science to evaluate the effects of the management. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
The seas are undeniably rich | 0:14:18 | 0:14:21 | |
but if you add this to the UK's only other "no take zone" | 0:14:21 | 0:14:27 | |
they add up to less than seven square kilometres. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
A mere drop in Britain's oceans. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:33 | |
Surely there has to be a middle ground between somewhere that's totally protected | 0:14:33 | 0:14:38 | |
and somewhere that's ravaged. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
Hopefully it's going to be these marine conservations zones that we've been talking about. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:45 | |
There should be a whole ring of them appearing around the UK. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:48 | |
I'm off to a place that might be one of the first. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
This is the beautiful Studland Bay in Dorset's Isle of Purbeck. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
The water here is home to one of the country's most enigmatic | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
and delightful creatures, the spiny seahorse. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
Given that they are such pin-up stars when it comes to marine creatures | 0:15:12 | 0:15:17 | |
you'd think looking after them was relatively easy. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:19 | |
But no. In fact, it's caused a right old controversy. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:23 | |
Surprisingly, for a fish, seahorses aren't very good swimmers. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
They hang out in eel grass beds for something to hang on to | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
and it's here that they find their food. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:39 | |
Seahorses are protected by law, just like dormice or bats. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
You harm one of these at your peril. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
Yet here, seahorses are under constant threat. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:56 | |
It looks like the Caribbean, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
just doesn't feel like it. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
The seahorses knights in shiny black neoprene are Neil Garrick Maidment of the Seahorse Trust, | 0:16:00 | 0:16:06 | |
and campaigner Steve Trewhella. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:07 | |
What a strange couple of creatures I've discovered here. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:12 | |
Morning Neil, Steve. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
Nice to see you, as ever. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:15 | |
-Any seahorses? -Not yet, but hopefully later on if we do another dive. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:20 | |
You say, "hopefully" but what number of animals are we talking about here? | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
On this site, probably a maximum of about 40 animals a year | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
which is a tiny population on such an amazing site. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
-You mean 40 seahorses in total? -Yeah. -Throughout the course of the year? | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
This site should actually have four times that amount of animals on it. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
That's a very fragile population. It takes one little oil spill, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
-one storm and it could wipe the whole lot out. -Yeah. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
Is it habitat that's limiting the expansion of the species here? | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
Not at all, it's actually man problems again. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
It's anchoring and mooring damage that's destroying the sea bed and the sea grass that the seahorses live in. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:59 | |
That's why the numbers are low here. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
-That's not the case here? -No, we're actually on sand here. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
We have to go a little bit out. We'll get on a boat and toodle on out | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
-and show you what we're doing. -Let's go and take a look. -OK. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
Steve's going underwater to find evidence of the damage these heavy mooring chains are doing. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
It's illegal to disturb the place of shelter of a seahorse. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
So, the sea grass bed here is being disturbed | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
so it's actually disturbing the site of a protected species. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
-What's it like? -There's a big wear mark underneath the boat. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
-It's damaged? -Really damaged, yeah. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
The chain goes around like the hands on a clock with the tide. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
It'll slap the seabed every time it goes round with the tide. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
It doesn't spare anything. It goes around in a big circle. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
Why aren't the agencies that are responsible sorting it out? | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
It seems to have been going on for three, four, five years? | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
It's been going on every since the seahorses were protected on 6th April 2008. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
Nobody has done a single thing to protect seahorses, in the wild, under water. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:15 | |
As if to prove the point, whilst we've been filming, a yacht has turned up and moored here | 0:18:15 | 0:18:21 | |
and this is within the sea grass area. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
It's happening on a daily basis, even not in the peak of the season. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
I suppose the skipper might argue he doesn't know the damage he's doing | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
and then we might say, "It's the conservationists' fault for not telling him". | 0:18:32 | 0:18:37 | |
Frankly, he shouldn't be able to moor here in the first place. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
Many boat owners don't believe the moorings cause damage, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
so a small voluntary, no-anchor zone is testing this. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
Will a new conservation zone help? Steve's not optimistic. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
We already have laws in place that aren't working. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
Why should we believe the new ones will? | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
Many meetings later, will we have protection in place? It's unlikely. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
If we can't get it right here, we're not going to get it right at all. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
It is possible to get it right without a shadow of a doubt. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
If only everyone was as passionate, then this problem would be solved. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:13 | |
This is a rare and wonderful creature | 0:19:13 | 0:19:15 | |
which could so easily be better protected. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
But it's one small example of out of sight, out of mind. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
Where I'm going next, there's a battle on a far bigger scale | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
at one of Europe's biggest harbours in Cornwall. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
So, look, we are beginning to understand that many interests, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
fishing, obviously, leisure as well, are coming into conflict with the aims of conservation | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
as it stands at the moment. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
But occasionally individual development proposals can be difficult to reconcile | 0:19:41 | 0:19:46 | |
and there's one here in Falmouth. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
A multi, multi-million-pound project to dredge and improve the port | 0:19:49 | 0:19:56 | |
for the alleged future prosperity of the entire town and region | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
and it's on hold, down to this. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
Algae. I know what you're thinking. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:05 | |
This doesn't look it's best. It's dead. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
But beneath me there's a living carpet of this algae, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:13 | |
called maerl. It's like a tropical coral reef | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
and the bay here is the largest UK outpost, | 0:20:16 | 0:20:20 | |
a nursery for a huge variety of animals and plants. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:25 | |
Maerl is also protected by European law | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
but even so, scallop fishing continued here | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
until the Marine Conservation Society stepped in to stop it. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
This is a special area of conservation, so why wasn't it being protected? | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
That's one of the first questions. We've got the designation. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
I'd have to say there's a weakness in the regulators, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
the people who are officially tasked with managing, | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
potentially damaging activities | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
and damaging activities like scallop dredging that was occurring here until 2007/08. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:02 | |
We had to step in as a third party in an office in Ross-on-Wye | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
to manage an activity which was clearly damaging in Cornwall | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
because the local regulators didn't want to touch it. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
That is outrageous. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:12 | |
The Marine Conservation Society is now lobbying for 30% of our coastal waters | 0:21:12 | 0:21:18 | |
to be closed to all fishing. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
But they're nowhere near winning that argument. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:23 | |
We feel that not more than 0.5% of our waters will be no take. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:31 | |
0.5% of the UK's waters could become no take? | 0:21:31 | 0:21:36 | |
Maybe 1%. | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
OK, to achieve that, then, I would argue we need far greater public support. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:46 | |
You need the public behind you | 0:21:46 | 0:21:48 | |
so you can go and say, this is what people want. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
Yeah, and we need them to be frustrated and angry | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
about the current state of affairs. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:58 | |
We are destroying a renewable resource that we could have on our plates for eternity. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:04 | |
It's just bad management. We do need angry people out there. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
Can you be frustrated and angry? | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
Hearing all of this I can do it really easily. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
God... | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
I was soothed, though, by the surprise arrival of Miles Hoskin, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
our Lundy lobster expert, with a real treat. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
Thank you. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:31 | |
So this is the stuff, Jean Luc, that we're talking about. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
You can imagine how wonderful that is for critters to live in, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:39 | |
molluscs, snails, shrimps, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
tiny crabs, all these are food for a multitude of species | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
and fantastic for recruitment and life. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
Once neglected, now protected, I'm very pleased to see the little guy, | 0:22:47 | 0:22:53 | |
the thing at the bottom of the food chain has got the protection that it needs, | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
not only here, but in European terms and if we can look after little things like this | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
then our ambition for more glamorous species | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
at the top of the food chain might be realised as well. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:09 | |
Miles, what can I say, it's best delivery I've ever had. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
It was phenomenal! | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
I'll be talking about it for years. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:16 | |
Thank you very much, indeed. Cheers! | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
And our glamour guys are, of course, dolphins. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
Curious, intelligent, beautiful, dolphins delight us all. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
They're a real T-shirt animal and without dolphins, we would be very much poorer. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:36 | |
And, sadly, today I am without dolphins. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
In five hours at sea I've seen nothing but gulls. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:43 | |
The thing is we're looking for a few slippery needles in a giant, wet haystack. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:50 | |
The population of these animals in the Channel is so low. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
And yet 100, 150 years ago, | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
this place would have had lots and lots of dolphins. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:02 | |
But not today. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:03 | |
While the new protected areas will stretch 200 miles out into international waters, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:10 | |
where the dolphins live, they won't be specifically protected, | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
nor will our seabirds, or the fish that we eat. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:19 | |
Instead, the aim is to create a coherent network | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
of nationally important habitats. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:27 | |
For this to work, to get populations of creatures like dolphins back to the levels that we might aspire to, | 0:24:27 | 0:24:34 | |
we need a healthy marine ecosystem, and to get that, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:39 | |
we need effective, well-thought-out, marine conservation. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:45 | |
This is the sharp end, tomorrow this'll be on your plate. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:51 | |
To some, this bounty is evidence of heedless exploitation. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
To others, it's proof there's still plenty of fish in the sea. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
Here they are look, Dave's scallops, | 0:25:01 | 0:25:03 | |
and there are ten dozen in every box and I've counted 49 boxes. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:09 | |
He'll be hoping for a good price, of course. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
Conservationists and fishermen say they want the same thing, | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
sustainable fish stocks and a thriving business. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:19 | |
But as industry negotiator Nick Prust tells me, | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
the Lyme Bay ban created suspicion and this doesn't bode well | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
when it comes to the new marine conservation zones. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:29 | |
We're just seen to be | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
rapists and pillagers of the sea and that's not the case. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
There are some 21 zones to my knowledge | 0:25:37 | 0:25:42 | |
from Poole to Milford Haven. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
They're crazy. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
They're not required. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:48 | |
There's no reasoning, no scientific reasoning for those areas to be put in. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:54 | |
If there are put in and "no take zones" are designated within them, | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
do you think the fishermen will respect those? | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
I don't know. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
I think we've got to work to try to get them stopped. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
The minister who's balancing all the competing interests admits, inevitably, there will be losers. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:14 | |
He says that fishermen need to look to the future. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:17 | |
If they're constantly battered and beaten into a corner, | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
then what we're trying to do will lack credibility. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
We've got to work with them. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:25 | |
Yes, we've got to enforce them. We've got the means of doing that. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
They have to part of the solution. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
Then they will work with conservationists and government | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
to make sure what we're trying to protect is protected. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
That's important because then their children and grandchildren will be able to carry on fishing. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
I want to create is a sustainable future for them | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
because we've got a sustainable ecosystem in the sea | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
where they operate. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:54 | |
So, at the end of my quest, are my hopes raised, or on the rocks? | 0:26:54 | 0:27:00 | |
It might surprise you but I have a tremendous amount of sympathy for those fishermen. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
They've been at the rough end of a rusty stick for a long time | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
and when they accuse certain conservationists of being a bit arrogant, self righteous, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:14 | |
well, I can sympathise there, too, because I see that sadly in some aspects of conservation. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:20 | |
Come on, guys, this is not the time for finger wagging | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
when it comes to peoples' livelihoods. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
You night expect my sympathy to run a bit thin | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
when fishermen clearly have no understanding of ecosystems | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
of the real marine environment | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
but I could still turn that back to us | 0:27:36 | 0:27:38 | |
and say that we haven't done our job to educate them, | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
and I'm not being patronising, as to how it actually works. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:45 | |
Where my sympathy runs thin, though, is with those leisure users | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
because livelihoods aren't at stake there. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
That's about a G&T on a Sunday afternoon. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
So, come on, let's sort it out for the seahorses. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:56 | |
Ultimately, am I optimistic or pessimistic? | 0:27:56 | 0:28:01 | |
Well, true, we've got our new MCZs just over the horizon | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
but will they be properly monitored, properly regulated? | 0:28:05 | 0:28:10 | |
I've got my doubts. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:12 | |
Beyond that, I have to be optimistic | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
because if we don't look after this environment, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
we ourselves will be in big trouble. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
For the moment, though, the best I can offer is this. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
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