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-KNOCK AT DOOR -Jake? You up yet? | 0:00:28 | 0:00:30 | |
Yeah, course. Be down in a bit. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
Don't come in! | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
Why, what are you doing? | 0:00:36 | 0:00:37 | |
Don't go there. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:38 | |
Teenage boys, eh? | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
You were one once. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:41 | |
Yeah. But I didn't have the internet. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:44 | |
Jake, five minutes! | 0:00:47 | 0:00:48 | |
When you are consumed by self-pity, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
try turning its conceited logic upside down. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
Instead of resigning yourself to the worst, be ready to put up a fight. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
Why waste time feeling sorry for yourself | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
when you still have the opportunity to be brave? | 0:01:06 | 0:01:08 | |
-Mm, see? -Mm. -Tough love, just when I needed it most. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
Oh, she's such an inspiration. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
No, actually, she's more than that - she is my guardian angel. | 0:01:18 | 0:01:20 | |
I put agony aunts in the same bracket as faith healers | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
and astrologers. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
Well, Alice is not your regular agony aunt. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
It's a totally free service. She's not doing it for the money, | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
just for the warm glow you get from helping others. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
I know that warm glow very well myself. | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
Alice is a qualified psychotherapist. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:01:38 | 0:01:39 | |
Yeah, course she is(!) | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
Well, you can be cynical all you want. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
The fact is, her wise words helped save me from the pit of despair. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
Well, whatever it took, Valerie. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
I can't wait to meet her in person. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
I already feel like we're bezzie mates. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
So, did you have any joy with that IP address? | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
Yes. Yes, I did. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
Now, keep this under your hat, right? | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
I'm not supposed to be doing the whole surveillance thing any more. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
Mm. Mum's the word. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:09 | |
-Oh, good morning, Doctor Reid. -Morning. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
I was not expecting you in today. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
Really? Why? | 0:02:20 | 0:02:21 | |
Well, you have had a lot to deal with this last week. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:23 | |
Yes, well, it's no good moping, is it? | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
Anyway, I've got reports to do. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:28 | |
Morning! | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
Someone seems to be in high spirits. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:32 | |
Yes, well, I think happiness is a choice sometimes, isn't it? | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
Yes, yes, I suppose so. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
If we wait to be made happy by something or somebody else, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
then we'd spend a lot of our lives being miserable. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
That's what a very wise friend once taught me. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
We're late. | 0:02:58 | 0:02:59 | |
Where's the old picture? | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
What? | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
The one of you and Mum. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
Made you get rid of it, did she? | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
No. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:11 | |
It's been over a year now, Jake. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
When you deliver a child, you have a special connection with them. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
Not just with them, but the whole family. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
And the fact that this birth was so difficult, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
it makes that bond even more intense. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:33 | |
I haven't processed it properly. Not yet. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:37 | |
I keep going over everything, Emma. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
What if it wasn't an accident? What if we missed something? | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
I thought you were on Rhiannon's side? | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
I am. I was. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
-It just makes you re-evaluate. -Does it? | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
I just think that maybe... Maybe we had blinkers on. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:55 | |
We wanted to think the best of her, give her the benefit of the doubt. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
And that's as it should be. Everyone deserves a second chance. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
Yeah, of course they do. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:03 | |
But we were so eager not to judge her. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
I just wondered if we were blinded by it a bit. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
KNOCK AT DOOR | 0:04:10 | 0:04:11 | |
Come in. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:13 | |
Oh, I am sorry, I'm not interrupting? | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
No, not at all. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:19 | |
Sergeant Hollins has just called. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
He would like to speak to you both today. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
At the station? | 0:04:25 | 0:04:26 | |
No. No, here at the Mill. He wants statements. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
Can I help? | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
You already have. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:40 | |
Do I know you? | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
I'm Valerie. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:48 | |
Valerie? | 0:04:48 | 0:04:49 | |
Valerie Pitman. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:51 | |
Sorry, not ringing any bells. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
Yes, sorry, it must be difficult for you to keep track. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
I am just one of the many lost and frightened souls, | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
who you've soothed with your wise words online. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
Here's a small token of my appreciation. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
You took some tracking down. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:10 | |
Fortunately, one of my colleagues at work is an IT boffin. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
I can't accept these. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:14 | |
You were there for me when no-one else was. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
Need I mention the dreaded Ashley Mackintosh? | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
Really, you've got the wrong person. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
Oh, sorry, have I broken protocol? | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
No, I understand, you have to guard your privacy. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
I just wanted to say "thanks." | 0:05:31 | 0:05:32 | |
You are a beautiful person, Alice Haslett. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
I'm not Alice. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:39 | |
Alice is dead. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
What? | 0:05:44 | 0:05:45 | |
I don't understand. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
Would you like to come in? | 0:05:49 | 0:05:50 | |
Ryan, this is Valerie, a friend of Alice's. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
Well, I never actually met her. But I feel as if I knew her. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
She was very helpful to me, via the website. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
Right. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:15 | |
-Are you're her... ? -Husband. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
Oh, I'm so sorry for your loss. When did she pass? | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
Take a seat. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:24 | |
It was June. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:27 | |
Sorry, did you say June? | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
Yeah. Third of June. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
That's not possible. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:33 | |
We were in touch in December, on several occasions. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
I think you're mistaken. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
And then again just the other week. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:42 | |
I told her that I was in remission, and she responded to my message. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
OK, you're right to feel aggrieved about the Anthony business. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:02 | |
I should've apologised a long time ago. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
But you didn't. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:08 | |
No. I didn't. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:11 | |
But I am now. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
Apology accepted. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:17 | |
Maybe you should consider if there's anyone else you've offended. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
If you click on the subject headings, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
you can see the latest blogs. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:36 | |
This one was posted yesterday. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
Do you think it's been hacked? | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
It must've been. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
Does it store people's bank details? I thought it was free to use. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
It is. Or, at least, it was. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
Alice never made a penny from it. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
No, it's still free. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:51 | |
If there's no financial incentive, why would someone pretend to be her? | 0:07:51 | 0:07:56 | |
I've no idea. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:57 | |
It's very odd. I can't explain it. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
Well, whoever it is, they are very well-informed, and sincere. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:05 | |
I was completely taken in. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
If this is a joke, they've got a pretty sick sense of humour. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
There are lots of weird people out there, especially on the internet. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
Look, I'm not much of an expert at IT, | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
but I'll speak to one of my work colleagues. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
He'll know how to shut it down. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
I'm sorry that you didn't get to meet Alice. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
She was very special. One of a kind. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
Oh, don't forget these. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:36 | |
I'm sure you can find a home for them. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
-Bit early, aren't you? -Revision time. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
Mind how you go. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:47 | |
Thank you. Take care. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
Thank you for sparing your valuable time. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
No problem. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:02 | |
As I'm sure you've guessed, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:05 | |
I'm here to talk about Rhiannon Davis and Paul Cuthbert. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
But first of all, let me get you up to speed. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
Although we haven't discounted the possibility that Nicolas' | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
death was an accident, we are running other lines of inquiry. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
What do you mean? | 0:09:21 | 0:09:22 | |
Rhiannon has made a very serious accusation against Paul. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
We've taken statements from both of them, | 0:09:25 | 0:09:27 | |
and they are completely different, | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
so, for now, they are both under arrest. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
" 'Curiouser and curiouser,' cried Alice." | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
What is it? | 0:09:39 | 0:09:40 | |
Well, this IP address has been used to update the website, | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
before and after June 2015. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:47 | |
But someone's hacked into that IP address, haven't they? | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
No, it's not easy to hack an IP address, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
without having remote access to the computer. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
For that, you'd need a rootkit or a virus, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
but this don't look very virus-y to me. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
No, I would say your so-called "hacker" is a lot closer to home. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
Why's that? | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
It's obvious, isn't it? They're using Alice's computer. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
Yeah. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:15 | |
KNOCK AT DOOR DOOR OPENS | 0:10:20 | 0:10:22 | |
Revision? | 0:10:24 | 0:10:25 | |
Na. Just a game. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:29 | |
A game? | 0:10:29 | 0:10:30 | |
Who was that woman? | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
A friend of your mum's, sort of. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
What did she want? | 0:10:40 | 0:10:41 | |
She wanted to meet her. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
Too bad, hey? | 0:10:47 | 0:10:48 | |
Jake, did you know that someone has hacked into the website? | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
"Ask Auntie Alice." | 0:10:52 | 0:10:53 | |
They're writing blogs, | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
responding to people's questions, putting words into her mouth. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:01 | |
It's very strange, and upsetting. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:07 | |
"Upsetting?" | 0:11:08 | 0:11:10 | |
Anyone that doesn't know any better will think your mum's still alive. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
Maybe that's not such a bad thing. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
Mum might be dead in real life, not online. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
Someone is pretending to be her. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
That's deceitful. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
It's immoral. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:31 | |
-Jake? -I don't know what you're talking about. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
DOORBELL RINGS | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
What now? | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
Did you have any, or were you aware of any, concerns regarding Paul? | 0:11:55 | 0:12:00 | |
No, not at all. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
What was your impression of him, personally? | 0:12:02 | 0:12:04 | |
He seemed really nice, you know, normal. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
I could tell that he was anxious, but that's understandable, | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
under the circumstances. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
Anxious, what do you mean? Worried about the baby? | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
Yeah, I imagine so. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
It wasn't an easy birth, and then for it to be taken away | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
straight after. I mean, it's beyond traumatic. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
I thought he stayed really strong for Rhiannon. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
He coped really well. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
Was there anything about his relationship with Rhiannon | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
that struck you as being odd? | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
No. I don't think so. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
Whenever I made home visits, they were very happy, relaxed. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:41 | |
They were very sweet together, made each other laugh. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
Yeah. Did you ever notice any bruising on Rhiannon, or Nicolas? | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
If I'd have noticed anything, I'd have logged it with social services. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
Sorry, Ruhma, of course you would. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
What's going on, Rob? | 0:12:55 | 0:12:56 | |
So you see the person who's pretending to be Alice is | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
probably using the same computer that she used. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
-Really? -You still have it, do you? | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
-Pardon? -Alice's computer? | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
Yeah. Er, no, actually, it was a laptop. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
I'm not sure where it is, to be honest. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:17 | |
My son might have flogged it. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:18 | |
No, then it would have a different IP address. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
-Sorry? -You see, the person who's controlling the website has got the | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
same IP address as Alice. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
They're in the same location. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
OK. Well, thanks for letting us know. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
Like I said before, I'll make sure that the website is shut down. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
It shouldn't cause any more grief. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:37 | |
Perhaps I'm not explaining myself very well. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
You see, the person who is pretending to be Alice | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
seems to be living here under this roof. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
Hello again. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:51 | |
You're Valerie, right? | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
That's right. And you are? | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
Me? | 0:13:55 | 0:13:56 | |
I'm Alice. | 0:13:58 | 0:13:59 | |
I'm usually very sensitive to this kind of aggression. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
My radar is well-tuned. Or so I thought. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
Then again, sometimes the arrival of a new baby, | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
it can be a trigger for physical abuse. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
It can spark an old pattern of behaviour. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
I'm just speculating, Rob. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
To be honest, I'm really surprised. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
He seemed such a nice guy. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
Well, like I say, we haven't got anything that totally corroborates | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
Rhiannon's story, but we do have enough to take the allegation | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
seriously, as you would expect. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
I thought I was getting advice from a qualified psychotherapist. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
Not a schoolboy. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
You were. It was her advice, not mine. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
I borrowed her words, made them fit. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
But why, Jake? What was this all meant to achieve? | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
The website meant a lot to Mum. Why should it die with her? | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
And you think this is what she'd want? | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
To be some sort of ghost, lingering in cyberspace? | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
"Cyberspace?" You're such a Luddite. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:07 | |
I don't expect you to understand. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
She always taught you to be honest and decent. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
This is not the way to honour her memory. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
No? Then how? | 0:15:15 | 0:15:16 | |
By hiding photos of her, wiping her from the internet? | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
-She wouldn't want this. -How would you know? | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
You never paid her much attention when she was alive. Even less now she's dead. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:24 | |
Jake, there is not a single day where | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
I do not think about your mother. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:30 | |
You have deceived Valerie and I dread to think how many others. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
So, you owe her an apology. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
-Jake! -No, honestly it's fine, really. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:42 | |
Valerie. I'm very sorry, on his behalf, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:50 | |
and I'd be grateful if this could go no further. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
Of course. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:54 | |
He came to see me a couple of weeks after the baby was born. | 0:15:55 | 0:16:01 | |
He showed me pictures of Nicolas on his phone. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
-He seemed like the typical doting dad. -Hmm. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:09 | |
Was it a social call? | 0:16:12 | 0:16:14 | |
He just wanted some advice about staying off the cigarettes. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
I got the impression there was something else going on, though. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
Something was bugging him. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
Like what? | 0:16:26 | 0:16:27 | |
He didn't say, not then. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:29 | |
He came back in the afternoon though. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
I think he just wanted someone to confide in, to off-load. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
And did he confide in you? | 0:16:39 | 0:16:41 | |
Yes, to a degree. We talked about the child protection conference. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:49 | |
He seemed to handle it really well at the time, | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
but I think it must have just hit him. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
He was angry, scared. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
Nicolas had been taken away from them once before. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
What was to stop it happening again? | 0:17:01 | 0:17:02 | |
He didn't want anything more to do with social services. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
He said he didn't trust them. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
You can't take that! It's my property, it's private. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
It's your mother's. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:16 | |
What you going to do? You barely know where the "on" button is. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
Maybe not. But I know a man who does. | 0:17:19 | 0:17:21 | |
If you get rid of the website, I'll only put it back up. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
Really? We'll see. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
Your dad isn't always great at expressing himself, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
but he's very worried about you. He only wants what's best. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
Yeah? And you'd know what's "best," wouldn't you? | 0:17:33 | 0:17:36 | |
Like flirting with your friend's husband, waiting for her to die? | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
It wasn't like that. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:41 | |
Things have worked out perfectly for you, haven't they? | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
Let me talk with him. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
I tried to reassure him. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:56 | |
The first couple of weeks with a new baby are always tough, aren't they? | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
-Yeah. -And that they were doing really well. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
He just seemed, you know, a bit nervous. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
There was one thing, though, that struck me as a bit odd. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
Go on. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:17 | |
I remember telling him that he was doing a really good job. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
But he just looked at me, like he didn't believe me. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
Most people would accept that observation, | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
but he chose not to. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
What did you take from that? | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
Not very much, at the time. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
I don't know, but now I'm thinking, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
maybe he didn't trust himself with Nicolas or was it a cry for help? | 0:18:42 | 0:18:48 | |
Did he ever give you any indication that he could be an angry person? | 0:18:50 | 0:18:57 | |
That he had a short fuse? | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
Maybe. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
Yes. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
I came back from the surgery, and he was shaking the doors, | 0:19:09 | 0:19:15 | |
you know? Kicking rubbish around. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
He was angry, angry about something. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
I don't know whether it was with himself, but... | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
..he has a temper. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
Thank you. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:29 | |
It was shortly after my diagnosis. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
Ashley and I had split up. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
There was no-one else to talk to, not at two o'clock in the morning. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:41 | |
It was a long, dark night of the soul... | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
..until "Alice" responded to my message. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:48 | |
She showed me that there was light at the end of the tunnel. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
She's good like that. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:55 | |
"She?" It must've been you. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
Sort of. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
Mum left behind a massive resource - thousands of blogs, | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
messages, loads of really sound advice. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:07 | |
It's a part of her that lives on. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
She's still helping people. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:11 | |
I don't get how that's a bad thing. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:15 | |
At home, I've got lots of photos of people I've lost. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:19 | |
Family, some friends. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
They're in albums, on the shelf, and I hardly ever look at them. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
but it's not because I've stopped caring or thinking about those people. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
It's more that I don't need to any more. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
They're all still with me. Here. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
Maybe that's the way your dad feels about your mum. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
Any luck? | 0:20:46 | 0:20:47 | |
Well, Karim says he's happy to help, but first he needs the user ID | 0:20:47 | 0:20:53 | |
and the password for the website. I haven't got the foggiest. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
Would Alice have made a note of them? | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
Possibly. But Jake set up the website on her behalf. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
He'll have changed the password by now. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
Where is he? | 0:21:06 | 0:21:07 | |
-In his room, with Valerie. Cup of tea? -Please. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
I have just read through Nicolas' notes, and that of his parents. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:23 | |
I really did not appreciate the complexities. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
The mother's history. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:30 | |
Rhiannon's history is beside the point. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
I just wish that I was made aware of the facts a little sooner. | 0:21:35 | 0:21:38 | |
That is all. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
Are you questioning my judgment? Is that what this is about? | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
I am just voicing my concerns. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
There are repercussions to the practice, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
especially if this turns out not to be an accident. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
A baby has died, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
and you are concerned with the public image of the practice? | 0:21:55 | 0:21:59 | |
That is unfair, Doctor Reid. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
How can anyone fail to be moved by this terrible tragedy? | 0:22:02 | 0:22:07 | |
We are all upset, as are you, clearly. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
But it is my job to think about the reputation of the Mill. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:17 | |
You know that. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:18 | |
Well, you needn't worry, Mrs Tembe. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
I was a consummate professional throughout. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
-Of course. -PHONE RINGS | 0:22:26 | 0:22:27 | |
Yes, Mrs Hollins? | 0:22:33 | 0:22:34 | |
Right. I will send her out, thank you. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
Jane Fairweather is waiting for you in reception. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
Stay in touch, if you like. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
-With you, or with "Alice?" -"Alice." | 0:22:55 | 0:22:59 | |
I don't think that's a very good idea, do you? | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
Although, I will always be grateful for her help. And for yours. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
Where is she now? | 0:23:09 | 0:23:10 | |
Is there a grave or a plaque? | 0:23:12 | 0:23:13 | |
Yeah. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:16 | |
Do you ever go and pay her a visit? | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
No. Not r... Not since the funeral. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
She might appreciate these. What do you think? | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
Yeah. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:29 | |
Thanks. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:33 | |
So I double-checked our records on Paul. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
There's no history of violence or aggression. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
Well, that's something. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
I've handed all the paperwork in to the serious case reviewer. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:01 | |
They'll see whether any lessons can be learnt. | 0:24:01 | 0:24:05 | |
Hopefully, I'll still have a job at the end of it. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
Why wouldn't you? You've done nothing wrong. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
I keep wondering whether I should have been more assertive. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
-About the fostering? -Mm. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:16 | |
So now you're saying it's my fault. Is that it? | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
-No, not at all. -It sounds like that. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
No, no, I'm not saying that. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:23 | |
My job, it's all about making fine judgment calls. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
Yours is the same, you know. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
We look at the evidence, make the best decision we can | 0:24:32 | 0:24:34 | |
in the time we have available, and when something goes wrong, | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
then, inevitably, those decisions are going to be scrutinised. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:41 | |
We have to be able to accept that, with the benefit of hindsight, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
there are some things we'd do differently. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
Maybe he's got a point. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
I mean, that's the way it's all going, isn't it? | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
Before long, our brains will be immortal, | 0:24:54 | 0:24:56 | |
forever preserved on the World Wide Web. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:58 | |
Yours might be. Mine would take up too much RAM. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
Just think of it. Long after I've died, future generations | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
will have the chance to converse with Virtual Valerie. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
I will be an all-seeing oracle, dispensing advice on all sorts | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
of things, from industrial tribunals to the latest fashion advice. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:15 | |
Ah. Theoretically speaking, there is no reason why a brain couldn't be | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
copied on to a computer, then put on the internet. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
The internet could become like this cerebral library, | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
where everybody's consciousnesses interact for years and years, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
or until our evil alien overlords cut the power supply. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
No, I don't fancy that. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:33 | |
-Ryan? -Yep. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
Look at this. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:36 | |
I typed in the web address. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:41 | |
The site isn't there any more, only this. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
It's easy to be wise after the event. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:05 | |
You didn't see this coming. No-one did. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:08 | |
If you mean the possibility that Paul harmed his son, then no. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
But we knew that Nicolas was in a vulnerable situation. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:17 | |
We knew that. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:18 | |
And if I hadn't fought Rhiannon's corner? | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
You think this is my fault. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:25 | |
No, Emma, I didn't say that. It's a collective process. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
You said your piece, I said mine. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
We both did what we thought was right, and in the end, the judge made the final decision. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
We have to stand behind that. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:35 | |
Yeah, but that's got nothing to do with what happened, has it? | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
We don't know what happened yet, do we? | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
If it was an accident, then no-one's to blame. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
If Paul intentionally hurt Nicolas, then why should you | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
or I or anybody else feel guilty? | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
He didn't have a criminal record. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
He seemed like the perfect, loving father. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
No-one could have predicted it. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
Well, whether Paul's responsible, or Rhiannon, | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
or a combination of the two, the fact remains that if Nicolas... | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
If Nicolas had been taken into care, he would still be alive. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
Now I have to find a way of living with that knowledge. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
So do you. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:13 | |
I just wanted to have a word with one of the doctors. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:23 | |
I'm from the Letherbridge Gazette, I'm writing a story... | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
Are you suggesting that I can't be trusted? | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
No, of course not! | 0:27:31 | 0:27:32 | |
I should hope not. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
We've had the results back from the postmortem ... | 0:27:34 | 0:27:37 | |
Does that mean I can bury him? | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
..which is far more conclusive than we all expected. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 |