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# Doesn't really matter if you're old and grey | 0:00:03 | 0:00:06 | |
# It's all right I say it's OK | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
# Listen to what I say | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
# It's all right, doing fine | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
# Doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
# It's all right I say it's OK | 0:00:17 | 0:00:19 | |
# We're gettin' to the end of the day. # | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
This programme contains some scenes which some viewers may find upsetting. | 0:00:30 | 0:00:35 | |
-Got a minute? -Yes. -Something interesting... | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
Lesley Hewitt. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:25 | |
A 19-year-old student at the Royal Academy of Music. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
She played the violin. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:29 | |
September 7th, 1996, | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
Lesley left college at three o'clock in the afternoon | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
to head back to the flat she shared in Camden. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:36 | |
She was last seen walking into a park. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
No body? | 0:01:38 | 0:01:39 | |
No. No body, no witnesses. Vanished into thin air. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
And now? | 0:01:42 | 0:01:43 | |
And now...this. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
This is her, is it? | 0:01:49 | 0:01:51 | |
Lesley Hewitt's sister, Emma, her only surviving family member, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
found the picture loose inside a book | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
in the charity shop where she works. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:59 | |
We don't know who the photographer was. | 0:01:59 | 0:02:02 | |
The photo's been scanned and cleaned up as much as possible. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
If we can identify any of the people in the picture, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
they could prove to be valuable witnesses. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
The jogger... | 0:02:13 | 0:02:14 | |
Yes, I saw him. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
It's a park. It could just be a man jogging... | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
A 19-year-old music student - she fits the victim profile. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
-There is no victim profile. -No, not officially, because I wasn't allowed to pursue it. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:26 | |
And this is not a green light to pursue it now. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
There's no way that figure's clear enough to identify, anyway. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
This guy could have seen him. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:33 | |
Or he could just be a jogger. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:36 | |
I'll put it on the board. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
-Morning, Guv. -Morning, boss. -Sir. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
This picture is 20 years old. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
How are we going to recognise anyone from that? | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
There's new facial recognition technology that we can access | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
that will cross-match any image, if it's clear enough, | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
to the Criminal Records database. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:00 | |
And what if no-one here has a criminal record? | 0:03:00 | 0:03:01 | |
One certainly does. This guy here, Stuart McKelvie, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
has a record for assault. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
Nothing more than a fight outside a pub | 0:03:07 | 0:03:08 | |
but they took his picture and the software matched it. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
OK, we'll go and talk to him, | 0:03:11 | 0:03:12 | |
see if he remembers a walk in the park 20 years ago. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
Before we all start taking the piss, | 0:03:14 | 0:03:16 | |
I think there's something you need to be aware of. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:18 | |
This could be linked to a case I worked on before. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:20 | |
-This is tenuous, at best. -If there's even a remote possibility, we're going to look at it. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
I don't want this taking focus away... | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
The focus is on finding Lesley Hewitt's abductors. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
OK. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:32 | |
Joanna Beck. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:35 | |
An 18-year-old art student | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
who disappeared on her way home from a party in 1985. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
Her badly mutilated body was found in a disused warehouse | 0:03:40 | 0:03:43 | |
about a mile from where she was abducted. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:45 | |
Detective Constable Sandra Pullman? | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
Yeah, one of my first cases. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
-So what's the connection? -There may not be one, Gerry. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
At the time, several young women, students mostly, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
reported being harassed by a jogger in a tracksuit. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
One said that he even tried to get her into his car, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
but she managed to get away. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:03 | |
In the warehouse where we found Joanna's body, | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
forensics discovered a footprint of a size nine running shoe | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
and some dark blue fibres which matched the description | 0:04:09 | 0:04:11 | |
of the one that our mysterious jogger was wearing. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
According to the reports, both the tracksuit and the trainers | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
were a very common brand. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
I believe it was the same man. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:19 | |
I think that he had finally worked out his methodology | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
and had successfully abducted and murdered his first victim. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
The first of many, I predicted at the time. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
And were you right? | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
There were several similar abductions over the following few years | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
but I wasn't involved in any of the cases | 0:04:33 | 0:04:34 | |
and no links were ever made. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
When was the last one? | 0:04:36 | 0:04:37 | |
The last one that I thought fit the pattern was in '94. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
But this one is two years later, in '96. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
Is this the one that got away? | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
Well, I don't lie awake at night thinking about it, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
if that's what you mean. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:48 | |
I believed there was a connection and I still do. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
But you have to remember that at the time, | 0:04:51 | 0:04:53 | |
no-one was listening to me because I was too junior. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:56 | |
Or maybe because you were a woman. | 0:04:56 | 0:04:58 | |
In fairness, Steve, she couldn't prove anything. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:00 | |
Although the other thing might be true, too. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
Look, I'm not saying this is a special case, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
I just want us to be aware there's a chance, however slim, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
that there's a thread running from Joanna Beck to Lesley Hewitt. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
A serial killer? | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
Well, I don't think we should use that expression just yet. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
What time of day did you say this picture was taken? | 0:05:22 | 0:05:24 | |
She was last seen entering the park at 3:20pm, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
so probably about ten minutes later. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
Why? | 0:05:29 | 0:05:30 | |
That's wrong. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
Whoa. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:41 | |
Yeah, just as I thought. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
Look. Look at the shadows in the picture, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:48 | |
now look at our shadows. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:49 | |
Now, it's not an exact time match but it's the same time of year. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
I mean, 3:30 in the afternoon. The sun should be... | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
-Hold on, I've got an app. -Of course you have, Sherlock. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
What was that date again? | 0:06:02 | 0:06:03 | |
7th of September, 1996. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
So the elevation at 3:30 would be... | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
-And then the azimuth... -Azimuth? | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
-I think you might have dropped your monocle. -Yeah... | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
the sun should be there. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
But it's not, it's there. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:21 | |
I think this photograph was taken somewhere between... | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
-4:15 and 4:30. -What, an hour later? | 0:06:26 | 0:06:28 | |
What, just to walk a few hundred yards? | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
Well, she could have she sat down, bumped into somebody or... | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
No, if she sat chatting to someone for an hour, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
surely they would have come forward. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
I can't fit all this in. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
-Can't fit all what in? -Well, look. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
If your suspicious jogger is by the tree, over there, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
and the dog is on the left-hand side of frame. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
-The lens on your phone's much wider than the one on the camera, right? -Yeah. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:51 | |
There's no way our photographer took this picture, standing here. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
All right, so he was back... | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
He was in there. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
-He must have been. -What, hiding? | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Well, you go deep enough in there, no-one's going to see you, are they? | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
So if this wasn't a random photograph, | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
If he knew exactly what, or indeed who, he was photographing... | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
Yeah, and if you look at it from that point of view, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
this is a photograph of Lesley Hewitt. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
So you found this photo of your sister in a charity shop? | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
I was just unpacking some boxes that had been donated. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:25 | |
-No idea where it came from? -No. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:27 | |
People bring in bags all the time and they just pile up | 0:07:27 | 0:07:30 | |
until I get a chance to sort through them all. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
This was a load of old books and magazines | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
and the photos fell out of one of the books. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:37 | |
I tried to look through the bag, | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
to see if I could identify the donor, but I couldn't. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
You said photos - plural. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
Yeah, but...well, this was the only one of my sister. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
Could it be the same photographer? | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
I don't know. Maybe. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
It was the timing that was the weird thing for me, though. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:54 | |
The bags come in on the days that I'm not there | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
and they pile up. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
And this bag was at the bottom of the pile, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
which means that it came in the day after I was last in. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
Which means it came in on the 7th of September... | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
which is the anniversary of Lesley's disappearance. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
Do you still have the other photos? | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
Yeah, I brought them all home with me. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:15 | |
-Is that Lesley's? -Hmm? | 0:08:19 | 0:08:20 | |
Oh, no. No, I'm the cellist. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
-Here you go. -Thank you. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
-OK. Can we keep hold of these? -Of course. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
Might help us track down the photographer. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:34 | |
You think he had something to do with it? | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
We're looking into every possibility. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
Did Lesley mention a meeting she was having that day, an appointment? | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
I just remember she was really excited. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
She'd just got her first paid job playing the violin. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
She was doing some recital. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:49 | |
Just her, I think, some posh do, a woman had asked her to do it. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
She'd been approached when she was coming out of college one day. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
I don't know, the woman must have been to a concert or something. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
What woman? | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
I don't know, Lesley didn't say. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
I tried to contact her when Lesley disappeared | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
but I didn't have any details for her and, | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
well, she never called to see where Lesley was. So... | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
Is this significant? | 0:09:13 | 0:09:14 | |
Probably not. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:17 | |
I know she's dead. | 0:09:18 | 0:09:19 | |
I moved on with my life a long time ago. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:22 | |
But if you can find her... | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
her body... | 0:09:25 | 0:09:26 | |
She was my big sister. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
She was brilliant. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
I'd like to be able to say goodbye to her, properly. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
-We'll give you a call when it's in, OK? -Thank you. -Thank you. -Bye. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
Stuart McKelvie? | 0:09:50 | 0:09:52 | |
-Hello? -Hi. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:54 | |
I'm Dan Griffin. This is Gerry Standing. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:56 | |
We're with the Unsolved Crime and Open Cases Squad. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:59 | |
Oh, right, what can I...? | 0:09:59 | 0:10:00 | |
We're investigating the disappearance of a young woman | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
called Lesley Hewitt. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
-I'm afraid I don't... -No? | 0:10:05 | 0:10:06 | |
September 7th, 1996, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
last seen entering this park. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
That's you, isn't it? | 0:10:11 | 0:10:12 | |
Wow, yeah! That is...that is me. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
-How did you...? -Oh, we have this software | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
that can cross-reference faces to anyone who has a criminal record. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
An assault charge in 1996. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
Well, that was a fight outside a pub. | 0:10:29 | 0:10:30 | |
You know, things got a little bit out of hand. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
But I don't drink any more, yeah? | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
Do you remember seeing Lesley Hewitt on the day this picture was taken? | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
-I don't. -No? You look like you're getting a right eye-full. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
-HE LAUGHS -Yeah, that is rather embarrassing | 0:10:43 | 0:10:49 | |
but I don't have the faintest recollection, I'm afraid. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
Where were you going? | 0:10:52 | 0:10:54 | |
Uh... | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
I used to drink in Camden. | 0:10:57 | 0:10:59 | |
Then I'd walk through the park, you know, clear my head. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
No, no. He asked you "Where were you going?" | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
Home. I lived in Kilburn, | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
used to walk through the park and then hop on the tube. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:09 | |
You know, straight up the Bakerloo line. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
So you know the park very well? | 0:11:11 | 0:11:13 | |
-Aye. -Does this jogger ring a bell? | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
Uh...no, sorry. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
Not to worry. Thanks for your time. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
-There was a van though. -A van? | 0:11:24 | 0:11:27 | |
It's probably completely unrelated, you know. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
I don't even know if it was the same day. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
What kind of van? | 0:11:32 | 0:11:34 | |
It was...black, dark blue. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
-Make? -Transit. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
It was...it was parked, you know, near the entrance to the park. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
We're talking 20 years ago. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:45 | |
You were drunk. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:47 | |
Yet suddenly you can remember a van and not a pretty young woman? | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
The doors were open, there was no-one around. | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
-That's why it stuck in my mind. -Well, what else stuck in your mind? | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
-What about a company name or a logo? -Eh... | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
No. No, it was plain. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
Look, it's probably nothing to do with your girl, eh. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
No. Well, thanks again. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
Yeah. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:10 | |
There's something about this McKelvie bloke that really bothers me. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:16 | |
I mean, first off he said he was drunk | 0:12:16 | 0:12:18 | |
and he didn't remember anything about that day. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:20 | |
Then, suddenly he DOES remember | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
a dark, unmarked transit van at the entrance to the park. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
Do you think he's lying? | 0:12:26 | 0:12:27 | |
Well, I don't think he's trying to throw us off course. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
I think he's just trying to be helpful - | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
making up stuff he thinks he should have seen | 0:12:31 | 0:12:33 | |
rather than reporting stuff he did see. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
I mean, it's easy enough to get a list of dark transit owners, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
but it'll be a bloody long list. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:39 | |
So that leaves us with this photographer. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
His name is Greg Bishop. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
He's a bit of a face around Camden apparently, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
we've found some people who remembered him. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
Now, we've got a string of rental addresses for him | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
from around that time | 0:12:49 | 0:12:50 | |
but he completely drops off the radar about six years ago. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
-Dead? -Well, his death hasn't been registered anywhere. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
The guys who put us on to him said he was a bit of a loner | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
but they reckon he had some kind of breakdown. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
Now, that would have been after this photograph was taken. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
Since then, he has form for possession of crack and heroin. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
And then he vanishes. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:08 | |
And that's six years ago? | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
Do you think he might be homeless? | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
Cos if he is, a character like that, people would know him. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:16 | |
Exactly. Which is why I want you lot to work the streets tonight. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
-What? -You're joking, aren't you? | 0:13:21 | 0:13:23 | |
You want us to spend all night trawling through London | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
looking for a tramp with a camera? | 0:13:26 | 0:13:27 | |
I'd love to join you but I'm a bit busy. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:29 | |
-Busy doing what? -Minding my own business. Yes! | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
I knew there was something familiar in what Emma Hewitt said to us. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:36 | |
She said that the week before Lesley disappeared, | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
she was invited to play the violin at a private party, | 0:13:38 | 0:13:41 | |
by some woman she met at a college concert. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
But that when Emma tried to phone this woman | 0:13:44 | 0:13:45 | |
to warn her that Lesley wouldn't be coming, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:47 | |
she couldn't find any details and the woman never made contact with her. | 0:13:47 | 0:13:51 | |
Now listen to this... | 0:13:51 | 0:13:53 | |
The week before Joanna Beck disappeared, | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
she was commissioned to paint a portrait by a woman, | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
a complete stranger, who we never managed to trace. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
It's a connection. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
-It's tenuous. -Hang on. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:05 | |
I'm thinking that whoever this woman is made contact with these girls | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
to get to know them, to gain their trust, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:10 | |
so that on the day, they wouldn't have to be | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
forcibly bundled into a car, or a van, or whatever. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
They'd get in willingly because they'd know their abductor. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
Look, Sandra, we're more than willing | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
to stand up for you in front of Strickland, right. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
But there's absolutely no suggestion that these cases are connected. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
We don't even know that Lesley Hewitt's dead. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:29 | |
Of course she's dead! | 0:14:29 | 0:14:31 | |
Well, yeah. But until we find a body, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:32 | |
we have to presume she's missing, surely. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
Here is a list of all the other abductions | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
that I think might be connected. | 0:14:38 | 0:14:40 | |
Go through them and see how many make reference | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
to a woman making contact with these girls | 0:14:43 | 0:14:44 | |
in the weeks prior to their disappearance. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
And that is an order. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
So what's the big deal about this? | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
It's no big deal, it's just a case. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
Some girls have been abducted, probably murdered. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
And I think it's about time we got to the bottom of it. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
-About time? -Yeah. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:18 | |
What? | 0:15:21 | 0:15:22 | |
-Nothing. -What? | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
I don't know why you're pretending it's not a big deal. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
I'm not pretending anything. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:29 | |
OK. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
They wouldn't listen to me. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:40 | |
On the original investigation, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
cos I was young and inexperienced, | 0:15:43 | 0:15:47 | |
they wouldn't listen to me. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
Do you think your experience on the big case | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
-spurred you on to where you are now? -No. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
Hmm...maybe, I don't know. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:00 | |
This is sounding like a job interview. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
Oh, my God, Max, is this a job interview? | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
This is just two people having a quiet drink | 0:16:10 | 0:16:15 | |
in a hotel bar, before... | 0:16:15 | 0:16:17 | |
Before what? | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
Before... | 0:16:19 | 0:16:21 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
Anyway, I'm not looking for a job. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
Fair enough...fair enough. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
What happens when you kill this case? | 0:16:33 | 0:16:34 | |
Assuming you're right about these abductions being connected. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
They are connected. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:40 | |
So then you prove that | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
and it's the case that originally drove you to get to where you are. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
-So your career has come full circle, right? -Hmm. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:51 | |
Then what? | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
We carry on. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:54 | |
-More cases? -Yeah. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:55 | |
The same four walls, the same team, the same boss... | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
What are you saying? | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
I'm not saying anything. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:04 | |
But you're thinking something. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
I am definitely thinking something! | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
I'm not talking about that. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
No, you're up to something, I can tell. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
You can tell that already? | 0:17:15 | 0:17:16 | |
Yes, cos you're not very hard to read. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
Is that right? | 0:17:19 | 0:17:20 | |
You're up to something. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:23 | |
I'm always up to something. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:29 | |
I wish I was in a nice warm place, being wined and dined. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
It's been a while, I imagine, Gerry. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
-You'd be surprised. -I'd be gobsmacked, frankly. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
One of 'em reckons he knows Greg Bishop | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
but he hasn't seen him for a couple of weeks. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
He thinks he might be in a squat in Bermondsey. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
-Bermondsey? -Yeah. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:57 | |
So, brisk walk, be there in 20 minutes. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
ANGRY SHOUTING | 0:18:10 | 0:18:12 | |
-Hey, you! -Leave it, Steve. Leave them. -Knock off, right now. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
Take it easy, there. Take it easy. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
You OK, yeah? Just lean against here a second. Get your breath back. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
-You all right, eh? -Yeah. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:26 | |
Yeah? You OK? | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
-You're plod. -Yeah. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
-What you want? -Yeah, we're looking for a guy named Greg Bishop. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
-I don't know him. -Greg Bishop - he was a photographer. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
Some people over the bridge said he was staying here. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
I don't know people over the bridge. I don't know what they say. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:40 | |
-Greg isn't in trouble. -Oh, no? | 0:18:40 | 0:18:43 | |
Plod looking to bring him money and something to eat, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
-are they? -Listen, mate, do you know where he is or not? | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
Gerry Standing! | 0:18:51 | 0:18:52 | |
Yeah. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:56 | |
Shelley? | 0:18:58 | 0:18:59 | |
What the bloody hell you doing here? | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
I'm undercover. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
Who's this? | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
Dave Sheldon, he used to be a desk sergeant at one of my nicks. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
What happened? | 0:19:09 | 0:19:10 | |
Drink or two, here and there. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:13 | |
Missus ran off with a fella from the recycling centre. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:19 | |
Couple of mortgage payments, backing some right old nags, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
should have gone straight to a value burger. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
-Here. -Keep your beer money, Gerry. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
-At least get yourself something to eat. -I don't want charity. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
Do you know where we can find this Greg Bishop? | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
We're not here to nick him, we think he might be a witness to something. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
A girl was abducted. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
Screw loose, that one. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
Creepy, even without all the drugs. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
I ain't seen him in days. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
You could try the church. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:52 | |
Any of you happen to notice if the offy up the road's still open? | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
No, I'm sorry, mate. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
Worth a try. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:02 | |
See you around, Gerry. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:05 | |
Yeah. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:08 | |
KNOCKING ON DOOR | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
Greg Bishop? You in there? | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
BANGING ON DOOR | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
We just want to talk to you. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:39 | |
It's locked. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
Well, It's hardly Fort Knox, is it? | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
DOOR CRASHES OPEN | 0:20:43 | 0:20:46 | |
-Bob, do you smell that? -Hmm. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:03 | |
Yeah... | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
here he is. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:09 | |
Yeah. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:18 | |
-Greg Bishop. -Yeah. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:20 | |
About 72 hours, I'd say. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
-Yeah. Phwoah. -Yeah. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
-Wait. -Well, this is interesting. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
What's that? | 0:21:34 | 0:21:35 | |
Wow. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:43 | |
Bloody hell! | 0:21:47 | 0:21:48 | |
God, it's like some kind of trophy room, isn't it? | 0:21:56 | 0:21:59 | |
Well, if it is, he's our man. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:01 | |
Not necessarily. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:02 | |
He died from a massive heroin overdose. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
No sign of foul play apparently. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:06 | |
Well, if it was massive it suggests it wasn't exactly accidental, eh? | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
GRIFFIN: And if it was suicide, it would have been around the same time | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
that Emma Hewitt found that photograph. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
Yeah. Yeah, the anniversary of Lesley's abduction, | 0:22:15 | 0:22:19 | |
then this photograph turns up, then Bishop kills himself. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
Well, Maybe it was some sort of confession. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
Why not just leave a note, you know? | 0:22:25 | 0:22:26 | |
Because, if he wasn't the only one involved in these abductions, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
then perhaps it was his way of trying to make amends | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
so as not to get his accomplices into trouble. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:34 | |
But, guv'nor, all roads lead to him. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
Then we find him surrounded by his trophies. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
Looks like he was doing a nice little line in porn on the side. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
Here, look at this. | 0:22:42 | 0:22:43 | |
Boss, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
is this Joanna Beck? | 0:22:48 | 0:22:50 | |
PULLMAN: Yeah. She was wearing those clothes when she was abducted. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
Are you sure? | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
It was my first dead body. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
And she was still wearing the skirt and blouse. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
So this could have been taken just before it happened? | 0:23:02 | 0:23:04 | |
Maybe, yeah. | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
We've cross-referenced Greg Bishop's photographs | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
with all our unsolved murder and miss-per files | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
and we have 11 abductions since 1984. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
Joanna Beck was the second | 0:23:25 | 0:23:26 | |
and it looks like Lesley Hewitt was the last. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
But Joanna and four others were the only bodies ever found. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
But if Lesley Hewitt was the last one, 20 years ago, | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
why did they stop? | 0:23:34 | 0:23:35 | |
Serial killers... if we can use the term now? | 0:23:35 | 0:23:38 | |
Go on... | 0:23:41 | 0:23:42 | |
Serial killers don't always carry on until they're caught. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
Sometimes killings stop because the killers get arrested | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
and end up in prison on some unrelated charge. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
Sometimes, obviously, they die before they're ever caught. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:54 | |
Sometimes they leave the area. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
Are we checking that? | 0:23:56 | 0:23:57 | |
Well, we're checking the database | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
but so far, over the last ten years, | 0:23:59 | 0:24:00 | |
there's nothing that fits the profile. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
Other times, they just stop. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
They just stop? | 0:24:05 | 0:24:06 | |
Could be a change in circumstances - | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
the killer gets married, or divorced or has children. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
A parent dies or becomes ill. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
Personally, I think a change in circumstance | 0:24:13 | 0:24:15 | |
can break the mental pattern that causes the killer | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
to do what he was doing. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:19 | |
Is there a link between the victims? | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
Well, all of the women were white, | 0:24:21 | 0:24:22 | |
all aged between 18 and 23 | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
and all students on arts-based courses. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
STANDING: Joanna Beck and the four others that were found | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
were all strangled and mutilated post-mortem. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
Any sexual element? | 0:24:33 | 0:24:34 | |
No. It's all about the violence with him - | 0:24:34 | 0:24:37 | |
hatred, the need to destroy. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:39 | |
They weren't killed where they were found. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:40 | |
The bodies were dumped afterwards and pretty well-concealed, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
which probably explains why only five have been found so far. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:46 | |
Which means the only way to find the others is to find the killer. | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
And this photographer was your only lead? | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
PULLMAN: So far. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
And why is he not the prime suspect? | 0:24:54 | 0:24:55 | |
Well, we're working on a theory that all of these women | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
were lured with promises of work - | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
portrait commissions, musical recitals, things like that. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
And the lure was a woman | 0:25:03 | 0:25:04 | |
which means that there was more than one person involved. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:07 | |
OK. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
OK, I'll buy that there's a link between these abductions. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
So now all of this needs to be sent up | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
to a murder investigation team. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
No. No, sir, these are all UCOS cases. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:24 | |
Well, they are but the four of you can't possibly hope | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
to mount an investigation of this magnitude. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
To reopen 11 cases, re-interview witnesses, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
re-assess evidence... | 0:25:32 | 0:25:33 | |
Well, there's no way. Is there? | 0:25:33 | 0:25:35 | |
No, no. You clear the board, I'll put the cases in the system | 0:25:35 | 0:25:38 | |
and get a team set up. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:39 | |
It's a good job, well done. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
Bollocks! | 0:25:47 | 0:25:48 | |
I know this woman. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:14 | |
Annie Banks? | 0:26:21 | 0:26:23 | |
Yes? | 0:26:25 | 0:26:26 | |
Hello, Annie. Remember me? | 0:26:27 | 0:26:30 | |
Detective Superintendent Pullman, this is my colleague Gerry Standing. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
I interviewed you many years ago, | 0:26:33 | 0:26:35 | |
in connection with the abduction and murder of Joanna Beck. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
-Poor Joanna, yes. -We have some more questions for you. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
-What about? -Can we come in? | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
-Well, it's not a very good time at... -Annie, | 0:26:44 | 0:26:46 | |
we have some photographs of you that were taken by Greg Bishop. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
You may not want the neighbours to hear about them. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
Oh, yes, of course. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
Come in. | 0:26:56 | 0:26:57 | |
Those pictures were taken a long time ago. | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
I don't regret it, however much you judge me. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
I'm not going to apologise for it. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
No-one's asking you to. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:07 | |
How long ago? | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
I don't know... | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
Early '90s - | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
'92, '93. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
And when did you meet Greg Bishop? | 0:27:16 | 0:27:17 | |
A few months before that, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
in a pub just around the corner from here. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
Though I wasn't living here at the time. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:25 | |
We have some photos taken by Greg Bishop of Joanna Beck, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
on the night she was abducted. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
And how is that anything to do with me? | 0:27:30 | 0:27:32 | |
I interviewed you, Annie, the day after we found Joanna's body because | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
on the night she was abducted, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
she was at a student party, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
-with you. -Yes, that's right. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
And as I told you at the time, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:44 | |
I was earning a few quid as a life-model in her art class. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:49 | |
We chatted, she invited me to the party. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
I didn't even know her very well. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
But now we've got photographs of Joanna Beck, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
taken on the same night that she was with you | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
and taken by the same photographer | 0:28:03 | 0:28:05 | |
who you were shooting pornography with a few years later. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
He also took photos of ten other women who were abducted, | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
and presumably killed, over a 12-year period. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
I didn't know Greg until the early '90s. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
Really? | 0:28:18 | 0:28:19 | |
-That's a bit of a coincidence. -Yes, it is. Why? | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
Is Greg saying something different? | 0:28:23 | 0:28:25 | |
He's dead. He killed himself three days ago. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:27 | |
-We found these photos in the squat he was living in. -A squat? | 0:28:27 | 0:28:31 | |
Poor sod. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:33 | |
Who else did he hang out with? | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
I don't know. I didn't meet anyone else with him. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
Really? | 0:28:39 | 0:28:40 | |
What about the man who was in all the photos with you. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
I only met him on the day | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
and I don't know his name. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
Did Greg seem to know him? | 0:28:48 | 0:28:50 | |
I can't remember, this was years ago. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
I don't know anything about any of this. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:56 | |
I knew Joanna because I was a life-model in her class. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
I met Greg Bishop years later. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
I mean, if he was there the night that she got killed... | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
..maybe he did see me. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
Maybe meeting me in the pub and asking me to do those pictures | 0:29:11 | 0:29:15 | |
wasn't an accident. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:16 | |
Do you think? | 0:29:18 | 0:29:20 | |
Do you think that that could have happened to me? | 0:29:23 | 0:29:25 | |
We might have to come back and ask you some more questions, Annie. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
Yes. Well, I'm not going anywhere. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
What do you reckon? | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
I don't know, Gerry. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:54 | |
Is it possible that she knew Greg Bishop and Joanna Beck | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
-independently of each other? -Yeah, it's possible. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
Highly unlikely but it's possible. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:02 | |
So how do we prove she's lying, when they're both dead? | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
Well, you gave her a good going over on the Beck case, didn't you? | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
Yeah, yeah, she completely checked out. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
If I hadn't seen those photos, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:11 | |
it wouldn't have occurred to me to come back to her. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:14 | |
Yeah, well, she used to take her kit off for art students, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
it's not a great stretch - her going into porn. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
It's hardly the same thing, Gerry. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:20 | |
Let me have a look at those photos, will you. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
What you thinking? | 0:30:26 | 0:30:27 | |
Why this make-up? | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
Disguise, doesn't want to be recognised. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
Could he be our jogger? | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
No, that'd be impossible to tell. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
Who would know this man? | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
Oh, Dave...David... | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
Oh, he was big in this game in the '80s. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:44 | |
Dave Wheldon! Now, if this bloke was a regular model, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:47 | |
or whatever they call themselves, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:48 | |
Dave would know about it. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:50 | |
-Guv'nor, can I just point out something? -What? | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
This isn't our case anymore. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
Strickland told us to clear the board. | 0:30:57 | 0:30:59 | |
You've never disobeyed an order? | 0:30:59 | 0:31:01 | |
Sandra, you've proved that the abductions are connected. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
That's the important thing, isn't it? | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
I always knew that Joanna Beck wasn't the only one. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
I wasn't hung up on proving that, that's just process. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:14 | |
You know, what I wanted was to catch the guy. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:16 | |
To stop him from killing any more women. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
Well, he hasn't for a while. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:20 | |
Says the man who jets around the world, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
tracking people whose crimes are older than these. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
That's a fair point. The thing is - | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
I suspect that catching him would be underwhelming. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
How do you mean? | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
Well, I see it all the time with the war crimes investigation. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
We read these testimonies, | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
we build up a mental image of these people - | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
in your case, a man who abducted and brutally murdered | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
at least 11 women. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
He becomes a monster in you head, this epitome of evil. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:51 | |
But the reality is always... | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
a lot more banal. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:57 | |
I have arrested people before, you know. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
Mass murderers? | 0:31:59 | 0:32:00 | |
Not mass murders, no. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
And that's why you want this one. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:04 | |
He is the big fish! | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
Yeah, maybe. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:09 | |
Strickland's right, though. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:13 | |
UCOS isn't set up for this kind of thing. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
We don't have the resources to catch this guy. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
I do. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:21 | |
Not him, obviously, but people like him. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
Some worse. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:27 | |
What are you saying, Max? | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
This was going to be your last case. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:33 | |
No, I didn't say that. You said that. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
Well, if you want to stay... | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
I've been at UCOS for ten years. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:41 | |
-That's a long time. -It's valuable work... | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
-Yes, it is. -..with a great team. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
Absolutely. And you built it from the ground up. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
It was supposed to be a rubbish job, | 0:32:47 | 0:32:50 | |
shepherding a bunch of miscreant pensioners | 0:32:50 | 0:32:53 | |
through some old case-files, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
just so the Met could say they were doing something about cold cases. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
But you picked the right people, you gave them the good leadership. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:05 | |
Which is why I think you should come and work on my team. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:10 | |
-You're serious, aren't you? -Not working for me. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:14 | |
Not even with me, a lot of the time. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:16 | |
I'm spending most of my time in court at the moment | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
and I need someone to run investigations. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
Max, I can't just leave. | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
I understand. I understand. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
You really want to though, don't you? | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
And I want the best person for the job. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
-Can I think about it? -No, you can say yes. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
I can't leave. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
-JACK: -Well, you can't stay here for ever. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
I belong here, Jack. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:24 | |
You're afraid to leave, that's your problem. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
You're comfortable, Sandra. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
Never get comfortable. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:37 | |
What we do here is important, you said that. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:40 | |
Of course it's important. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:41 | |
And it'll be important long after you've gone. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:44 | |
But you built the ship, | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
you don't have to go on steering it for ever. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
What about the others? | 0:34:49 | 0:34:50 | |
Oh, I'm sure they'll miss you terribly, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:52 | |
probably never stop crying. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
They might even erect a statue to you, out in the car park. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
-Shut up. -They'll be fine! | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
Even Gerry. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:01 | |
What do you mean, "Even Gerry"? | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
Well he's the one you're really worried about, isn't it? | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
I mean, Danny Griffin hasn't been here five minutes | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
and as for the Scots one... | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
He's called Steve. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:14 | |
My seat was still warm when he sat down. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
What's the alternative? | 0:35:17 | 0:35:19 | |
You going to stay here till you get your pension? | 0:35:20 | 0:35:23 | |
Then what? Take up gardening? | 0:35:23 | 0:35:26 | |
Go off on one of those bloody awful coach holidays somewhere? | 0:35:26 | 0:35:31 | |
Or maybe you're going to move to the other side of that window | 0:35:31 | 0:35:34 | |
and become another one of those boring old bastards out there. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
You're going to take the job, Sandra, we both know that. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
So let's not kid ourselves. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
I miss you, Jack. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:54 | |
Is this because Strickland wouldn't let us keep this case? | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
Of course it's not. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
Strickland's right, there's no way | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
that we can re-investigate 11 separate cases at the same time. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
Well, thanks for letting us know. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:11 | |
I wanted to talk to the three of you before I told him. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
Very kind of you. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:15 | |
It's been ten years. It wasn't meant to be this long. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
I think it's great, Sandra. Congratulations. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:21 | |
-Thanks, Steve. GRIFFIN: -Uncharted waters, | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
you'll be brilliant. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:25 | |
What? Hunting Nazis? | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
There have been a few war criminals since the Nazis, Gerry. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
It wasn't an easy decision. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
Bloody quick, though. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:32 | |
And there was no mention of it before the frog turned up. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
It's what I want to do, Gerry. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:37 | |
When are you leaving? | 0:36:39 | 0:36:40 | |
I don't know. I suppose when everything's squared away | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
and they can find me a replacement. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:45 | |
Well, we'll have a bit of a leaving do, eh? | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
-Get the room above the pub. -Yeah. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
When are you going to tell Strickland? | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
Today. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
I'll give him a call in a minute and see when he has some time for me. | 0:36:54 | 0:36:57 | |
-Gerry... -Well, come on, boys. Lot of work to do. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
Gerry, lighten up. This can't have been easy for her. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
-Gerry... -Oh, can we talk about it later? | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
No, no. What was the name of that guy | 0:37:37 | 0:37:39 | |
you said was involved in the porn business, back in the '80s? | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
-Dave Wheldon? -Yeah. Give them his details. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
I want the name of the man Annie Banks was shagging in those photographs. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
Hold on, hold on! This isn't even our case any more. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
Shut up and get your coat. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:52 | |
KNOCKING ON THE DOOR | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
We know this was your dog, Annie. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
You need to come with us. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:06 | |
There you go. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:13 | |
David Wheldon? | 0:38:19 | 0:38:20 | |
I'm Steve McAndrew, this is Dan Griffin. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
We're with the Unsolved Crime and Open Cases Squad. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
I wonder if we could have a word. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
I don't think you've got the right man, gents. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
Only crime I ever committed got solved | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
by me doing a seven-stretch. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
We're here for an expert opinion. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
First time I've been accused of having one of those. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
Here, Dan, keep an eye, will you? | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
Gerry Standing was telling us | 0:38:47 | 0:38:48 | |
you used to be a bit of a mover and shaker | 0:38:48 | 0:38:50 | |
in the adult entertainment industry. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:52 | |
I knew me way around, yeah. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
Oh, and you can drop the airs and graces, Steve. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
Call it porn. | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
-How is Gerry? -He's very well. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
We're investigating the abduction and murder of several women | 0:39:01 | 0:39:05 | |
between 1985 and 1996. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:06 | |
That's a while back. Slowly, slowly, catchy monkey, eh? | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
-Well, some new information's come to light and... -It's softly. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
Excuse me? | 0:39:14 | 0:39:15 | |
Softly, softly, catchy monkey. You're sneaking up on it. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:19 | |
There's no advantage in being slow, monkeys are fast. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
One of the names that's come up in connection with our investigation | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
is a photographer called Greg Bishop. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
Oh, yeah, I remember Greg. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
I haven't seen him in years. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:34 | |
He died of a heroin overdose, a few days ago. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:37 | |
-Sorry to hear that. -But not surprised? | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
Not at all, no. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
Greg was never the full ticket. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:43 | |
Oh, he's a talented man but not all there. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
He took some pictures. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:48 | |
Pictures? | 0:39:48 | 0:39:51 | |
Porn. We need to know who's in them. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
Well, have you've got 'em with you? | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
Oh, yeah, sorry. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:58 | |
Here we go. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:00 | |
Oh, yeah! | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
Oh, HER I remember. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
-Yeah, yeah, Anne something? -Annie? | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
Annie. Nice girl. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:21 | |
How well did you know her? | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
In passing, Dan. Saw her around. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
Yeah, she did a bit of modelling, bit of porn. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
Movies as well as photos, as I recall. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
We want to know who the man is. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
-You never see his face properly. -That's right. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
That's interesting, isn't it? | 0:40:38 | 0:40:41 | |
If anyone wants to retain their anonymity in these situations, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
it's normally the woman. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
-Maybe he was married. -Could be(!) | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
Rascal. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
No, I'm afraid I don't know who he is. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
I recognise the place though, if that's any use to you? | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
We thought it was a studio. | 0:40:58 | 0:40:59 | |
Oh, did you now? No, no, no. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
That's a flat that Greg Bishop used, | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
up near Brondesbury Park. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
-Kilburn? -That's right. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
Do you know who owned the flat? | 0:41:07 | 0:41:09 | |
He was another Jock, like yourself. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:11 | |
A druggie. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:12 | |
Stuart Mc...something. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:15 | |
-Mr McKelvie. -Couple more questions for you. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
Do you know a man called Greg Bishop? | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
-No. -You sure? | 0:41:28 | 0:41:29 | |
You rented out your flat to him for photo-shoots. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
And that assault charge that got you a criminal record? | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
Two weeks after Greg Bishop took your photograph in the park, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:38 | |
you beat him up, outside a pub in Camden. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
I think it's time we had a wee chat somewhere a bit more private, don't you? | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
Is this your dog, Annie? | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
Well, it looks like your dog. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:56 | |
Did you ever walk him in this park? | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
Her. I walked her all over. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
How about on September the 7th, 1996? | 0:42:02 | 0:42:05 | |
You don't expect me to remember? | 0:42:05 | 0:42:06 | |
That photo was taken by your friend, Greg Bishop. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:10 | |
He wasn't my friend, I barely knew him. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
I don't believe you. Who's this man? | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
-No idea. -Well... | 0:42:15 | 0:42:16 | |
..what about this man? | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
I told you, I don't know his name. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
Are they one and the same? | 0:42:24 | 0:42:26 | |
How would I know? | 0:42:26 | 0:42:27 | |
That's poor Joanna. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
Poor Joanna, yes. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
Who's this man behind her, in the track-suit? | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
-I can barely make him out. -Handy, that. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:47 | |
So we have two photographs - both taken by Greg Bishop, | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
both the last photographs of two women who were abducted, | 0:42:53 | 0:42:56 | |
both featuring the same jogger. | 0:42:56 | 0:42:57 | |
Now, you were with Joanna on the night she disappeared... | 0:42:57 | 0:43:00 | |
-She left the party before me. -And this is your dog, | 0:43:00 | 0:43:02 | |
in the picture of Lesley. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:03 | |
Which suggests you were in the park at the same time. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:06 | |
-It isn't my dog. -Yes, it is. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:07 | |
Do you see the connections we're making here? | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
You, Greg Bishop and the mystery man. | 0:43:09 | 0:43:12 | |
And now, we have another set of photographs, | 0:43:12 | 0:43:15 | |
also taken by Greg Bishop, | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
of you and another mystery man who won't let the camera see his face. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:21 | |
Why was that, I wonder? | 0:43:21 | 0:43:23 | |
I barely remember that day. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:24 | |
You're lying, Annie. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:26 | |
Why did this man not want the camera to see his face? | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
Is he the jogger? | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
A dog, a jogging man and some mucky old pictures... | 0:43:35 | 0:43:41 | |
You've got bugger all, haven't you? | 0:43:44 | 0:43:47 | |
I specifically told you to clear the boards | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
because this case was going to an MIT. | 0:43:58 | 0:43:59 | |
Yeah, we've got a new lead. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:01 | |
The photographs featuring Annie Banks | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
were taken in a flat in Kilburn, the same address as... | 0:44:03 | 0:44:05 | |
I appreciate that but the point is that we don't have the resources... | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
No, no, we don't have the resources to investigate 11 murders, | 0:44:08 | 0:44:11 | |
that is completely true. But they're all linked. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:13 | |
So if we could get this guy for just one of them... | 0:44:13 | 0:44:15 | |
There's a bigger picture here. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:16 | |
UCOS isn't in many people's good books | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
because of that business with Brian Lane. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
And solving 11 murders in one go isn't going to improve our standing? | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
Certain people wouldn't see it as solving 11 murders | 0:44:23 | 0:44:25 | |
so much as embarrassing 11 Murder Investigation Teams. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
-Oh! -You've convinced me that these murders are connected, | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
so now we follow proper procedure, pass these cases upstairs | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
and try not to put any noses out of joint, for a change. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:35 | |
-I can crack Annie Banks. -No! Just move on to the next one, Sandra. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
There isn't going to be a next one! | 0:44:38 | 0:44:40 | |
I'm sorry, I didn't want it to come out like that. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
And I don't want you thinking that this has anything to do | 0:44:49 | 0:44:52 | |
-with Annie Banks... -So, you're leaving. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:55 | |
Max Clement has offered me a place on his War Crimes team. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:58 | |
-And I've given it a lot of thought... -Yeah, it was about time. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:01 | |
Well, it's ten years, Sandra. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:04 | |
-I know... -It's a good move | 0:45:06 | 0:45:08 | |
-and it'll be a fantastic experience. -You're not worried about the team? | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
Well, they're a good team and that's thanks to you. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
But let them be my problem. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:15 | |
The very least I owe you for everything you've done at UCOS | 0:45:15 | 0:45:17 | |
is not to stand in your way. | 0:45:17 | 0:45:18 | |
Thank you. | 0:45:20 | 0:45:21 | |
I'll talk to Clement and get everything sorted out. | 0:45:23 | 0:45:26 | |
I assume there'll be some sort of drinks thing? | 0:45:27 | 0:45:30 | |
I think that's a fairly safe assumption, sir, yes. | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
So you think you can crack Annie Banks? | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
I can if I run with this new lead. | 0:45:45 | 0:45:47 | |
I'm passing all this upstairs at the end of the day | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
and that'll be that. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:56 | |
Whatever you can do in the meantime... | 0:46:00 | 0:46:03 | |
be nice to go out on a high. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:04 | |
Yes, sir. | 0:46:07 | 0:46:08 | |
11 women abducted between 1985 and 1996. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
Of those 11, five were murdered. | 0:46:16 | 0:46:19 | |
That is to say - their bodies were found slashed to bits. | 0:46:19 | 0:46:22 | |
We assume the other six are dead, | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
their bodies haven't been found yet. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
That means the families don't know for certain. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:30 | |
They can't hold funerals, they can't put flowers on graves. | 0:46:30 | 0:46:34 | |
11 daughters, 11 sisters. | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
We think there might be more than 11. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
These are just the ones we've managed to link together so far. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:43 | |
Do you know what the link is, Mr McKelvie? | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
-Stuart. You can call me... -We're not your friends, pal. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:47 | |
The link is that all these women | 0:46:47 | 0:46:49 | |
were photographed just prior to their death and without their knowledge | 0:46:49 | 0:46:53 | |
by Greg Bishop. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:54 | |
What were you doing in the park that day? | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
-I was walking back from the pub. -No. | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
I was! I swear that's what I was doing. | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
This woman, Lesley Hewitt. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:03 | |
I don't know her. | 0:47:03 | 0:47:04 | |
No, but you managed to remember a transit van. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
-Was there a transit van? -No. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:09 | |
Why did you say there was one? | 0:47:09 | 0:47:11 | |
Because he owned a dark blue transit. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
Who did? | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
The man in the picture. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:23 | |
The man jogging. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:27 | |
You saw there him that day? | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
You knew who he was? | 0:47:31 | 0:47:32 | |
I recognised him from the flat, from the photo shoots. | 0:47:33 | 0:47:36 | |
Later that day, Greg Bishop came round, | 0:47:37 | 0:47:41 | |
said if anyone asked, I didn't see anything in the park | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
and he was frightened for my safety if I did say anything. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
Greg Bishop died of an overdose, five days ago. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:50 | |
So what you were doing back then, drug dealing or whatever, | 0:47:50 | 0:47:52 | |
is of no interest to him now. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
You've got nothing to be scared of. | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
I'm not scared of him. | 0:47:58 | 0:48:00 | |
I was never scared of Bishop, | 0:48:00 | 0:48:01 | |
I'm scared of her. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:02 | |
Annie Banks? | 0:48:05 | 0:48:06 | |
She's there. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
She's just out the picture. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:14 | |
She was talking to the girl | 0:48:14 | 0:48:15 | |
and she must have run forward to get the ball for the dog or something. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
See, they were talking and I didn't recognise the girl, | 0:48:18 | 0:48:22 | |
that's why I'm looking back. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:24 | |
Annie Banks is a nasty piece of work. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
Greg...he was in love with her. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
He'd have done anything she asked... | 0:49:03 | 0:49:05 | |
..but she only had eyes for this one. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:10 | |
He was like the devil. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:14 | |
He went right through you. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:19 | |
What's his name? | 0:49:19 | 0:49:20 | |
-Oh, I don't know... -Stuart, what's his name? | 0:49:22 | 0:49:25 | |
Tom... something. I don't know his surname, | 0:49:27 | 0:49:31 | |
I never wanted to. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
You'll never find him... | 0:49:39 | 0:49:41 | |
..she'll no' give him up. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:44 | |
We have a witness who confirms this is your dog, Annie. | 0:49:46 | 0:49:50 | |
So, I walk my dog in the park. | 0:49:50 | 0:49:52 | |
Our witness says you were walking with Lesley Hewitt. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:56 | |
If someone talks to me, I'm not going to be rude, am I? | 0:49:56 | 0:49:58 | |
You walked Lesley round the park | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
and then you walked her past Greg Bishop | 0:50:00 | 0:50:02 | |
so he could take a photograph of the two of you as a trophy, | 0:50:02 | 0:50:04 | |
which is all part of this sick little fantasy of yours, isn't it? | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
-Yeah, you and your boyfriend. -Did you know what he was doing? | 0:50:07 | 0:50:10 | |
I mean, you can't not have known. | 0:50:10 | 0:50:13 | |
But were you actually there when he killed them, | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
when he chopped them up? | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
Or did you just deliver them to him and turn a blind eye? | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
Kid yourself it wasn't happening | 0:50:20 | 0:50:22 | |
because you were...what, madly in love with him? | 0:50:22 | 0:50:25 | |
I like your jacket, where did you get it? | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
Why do you think he hates women so much? | 0:50:30 | 0:50:32 | |
Cos he does hate them. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:35 | |
Five bodies were found. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:38 | |
And what he did to those bodies, | 0:50:38 | 0:50:40 | |
one can only conclude that he despises women. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
See, I can't make clothes like that work, | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
-they don't hang right on me. -Maybe he was gay. -No. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:49 | |
No, no. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
No, he wasn't gay, it's just that women make him feel inadequate. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:54 | |
Ah. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:56 | |
Didn't hate you though, Annie. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:58 | |
You didn't make him feel inadequate. | 0:50:58 | 0:51:00 | |
No, maybe it's because they were all young and talented, | 0:51:00 | 0:51:04 | |
had a future. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:06 | |
Maybe that's why he hated them | 0:51:06 | 0:51:08 | |
and didn't hate you. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
It was the dog. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
What was the dog? | 0:51:17 | 0:51:18 | |
The dog told him to do it. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:51:22 | 0:51:26 | |
You think this is funny? | 0:51:26 | 0:51:27 | |
Why did he stop killing? | 0:51:29 | 0:51:31 | |
That's a good question | 0:51:31 | 0:51:32 | |
and you should ask him the next time you see him. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
I don't think you know the answer, do you? | 0:51:34 | 0:51:36 | |
Wouldn't tell you if I did. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:37 | |
I think he just left one day. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:39 | |
-Intriguing. -Maybe he met someone else, | 0:51:40 | 0:51:44 | |
someone who didn't make him want to kill and mutilate women, | 0:51:44 | 0:51:48 | |
someone completely different to you. | 0:51:48 | 0:51:51 | |
And he walked out of your life, | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
without so much as a backward glance. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:55 | |
That's a sad story. | 0:51:55 | 0:51:57 | |
Isn't it? | 0:51:57 | 0:51:59 | |
-Even sadder that you're still so devoted to him. -Am I? | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
This is over, Annie. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:05 | |
Not only do we have a witness who can put you with Lesley Hewitt, | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
all the other cases are being reopened | 0:52:09 | 0:52:11 | |
and I would put a year's salary | 0:52:11 | 0:52:14 | |
on every single one of those girls | 0:52:14 | 0:52:15 | |
having had some contact with you, prior to their abductions. | 0:52:15 | 0:52:18 | |
-I'd take that bet. -I wouldn't. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:21 | |
Cooperation is the only card you've got left to play. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:23 | |
You owe him nothing. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:25 | |
Stop protecting him. | 0:52:27 | 0:52:28 | |
I'd love to. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:33 | |
But I don't know who he is. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:35 | |
His name is Tom. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:37 | |
Tom what? | 0:52:41 | 0:52:42 | |
He's probably got a wife and kids by now - | 0:52:48 | 0:52:51 | |
a whole other life. | 0:52:51 | 0:52:52 | |
Whereas you, Annie, | 0:52:54 | 0:52:56 | |
you're stuck. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:59 | |
You're stuck in time and you're stuck alone | 0:52:59 | 0:53:02 | |
in that little flat of yours | 0:53:02 | 0:53:03 | |
with just pictures of your pets to keep you company. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
Lonely. | 0:53:06 | 0:53:07 | |
I wonder if he ever thinks about you. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
I wonder if he even remembers who you are. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
I'm bored now. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:33 | |
Yeah, so am I. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:37 | |
I've got you as an accessory to the murder of Joanna Beck | 0:53:40 | 0:53:42 | |
and the abduction of Lesley Hewitt. | 0:53:42 | 0:53:44 | |
I'll process that, charge you, | 0:53:44 | 0:53:45 | |
and then go to work on the other nine girls and get you on those, too. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
It doesn't matter about him. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:49 | |
He's lost to us, he's slipped through the net. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
He can get on with his nice new life | 0:53:52 | 0:53:54 | |
and you can rot in jail, eh, Annie? | 0:53:54 | 0:53:56 | |
SHE GASPS | 0:54:04 | 0:54:07 | |
His name was Tom Miller. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:14 | |
Hi. Is Tom Miller in, please? | 0:54:35 | 0:54:37 | |
-Dad? -FEMALE: -Who is it? | 0:54:37 | 0:54:39 | |
There's someone here for Dad. | 0:54:39 | 0:54:41 | |
-Tom? -Yeah? | 0:54:41 | 0:54:43 | |
There's someone at the door. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
Careful up there, the paint's still wet. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:53 | |
-Tom Miller? -How can I help you? | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
I've got you, you bastard. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
You ready? | 0:55:26 | 0:55:28 | |
Yeah, in a minute. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:29 | |
-What is it? -Nothing. | 0:55:31 | 0:55:33 | |
Listen, Guv'nor, whatever else is going on here, | 0:55:35 | 0:55:37 | |
this is a real result. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:39 | |
Miller's in there, he's going to spill his guts | 0:55:39 | 0:55:41 | |
and tell us where all the other bodies are. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:44 | |
Yeah. | 0:55:44 | 0:55:45 | |
It's just a weird feeling. | 0:55:47 | 0:55:51 | |
What, leaving? | 0:55:51 | 0:55:52 | |
Well, you ready for the pub? | 0:55:55 | 0:55:56 | |
I'll see you there. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:58 | |
Sandra... | 0:56:05 | 0:56:07 | |
..I hate to say this... | 0:56:09 | 0:56:11 | |
..but you're right to go. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:14 | |
Really? | 0:56:16 | 0:56:17 | |
Yeah, yeah. | 0:56:17 | 0:56:19 | |
God knows I'll miss you. Well, we all will. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
But these past few years... | 0:56:23 | 0:56:26 | |
Well, I've finally felt that I've achieved something. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:30 | |
And that is all down to you. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
Hardly. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:35 | |
Oh, yes, it is. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:36 | |
I mean, you've treated us better than any boss could. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:41 | |
And quite often, we didn't deserve it. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:44 | |
That's certainly true. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:45 | |
But you don't belong here any more. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:49 | |
No, you belong out there, | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
where there's more exciting stuff to be done. | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
And we're all big enough and ugly enough to cope. | 0:56:55 | 0:56:58 | |
I should certainly hope so. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
I'll miss it. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:05 | |
I'll miss you. | 0:57:10 | 0:57:11 | |
Yeah, well, just one thing - | 0:57:14 | 0:57:17 | |
when you walk out of here, | 0:57:17 | 0:57:19 | |
just don't look back. | 0:57:19 | 0:57:20 | |
I'll try not to. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:24 | |
Ready for the pub? | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 | |
I'll get 'em in. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:31 | |
Your usual gallon of dry white? | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
Yeah, come on. She's going to meet us there. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
Are you going to sit there moping all day, | 0:57:45 | 0:57:48 | |
or are you coming for a drink? | 0:57:48 | 0:57:49 | |
I'll be right there, Jack. | 0:57:52 | 0:57:54 | |
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