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-You bring me to the nicest places. -If this case is as open and shut | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
as Strickland thinks it is, hopefully we won't be here too long. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
So this bloke Davies wants to make a confession 25 years after the event. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:12 | |
Have we spoken to his mental health officer? | 0:00:12 | 0:00:15 | |
He does have a link to the missing boy. He was a friend of the family. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
So what? His conscience got the better of him? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:21 | |
Maybe he found religion when he was inside. | 0:00:21 | 0:00:24 | |
-Yeah there's got to be another reason for all this. -What? | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
-Oi, oi, paedo! Come out your house, man. -Oi, paedo! | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
-What you hiding behind your door for? You nonce, man. -For a start, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
-the local wildlife seems... -Take this, man. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:35 | |
Let's get out of here, man! | 0:00:35 | 0:00:38 | |
Wait here. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
TYRES SCREECH | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
-Are you Detective Superintendent Pullman? -She'll be here in a moment. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
She's just doing a bit of community policing. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
Shit, man. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:11 | |
I've just had this jacket cleaned. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:15 | |
I'm arresting you for assaulting a police officer. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:18 | |
# It's all right It's OK | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
# Doesn't really matter if you're old and grey | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
# It's all right I say it's OK | 0:01:24 | 0:01:27 | |
# Listen to what I say | 0:01:27 | 0:01:29 | |
# It's all right, doing fine | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
# Doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
# It's all right I say it's OK | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
# We're gettin' to the end of the day. # | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
Sandra? | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
Take them to the interview room. I'll be down in a minute. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
Anything I should be aware of? | 0:01:53 | 0:01:55 | |
We think they may be part of the reason why Davies | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
-decided to confess. -How so? | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
He's had to move four times since he was released from prison. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
So? | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
That's four times in the last six months. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
Every time he settles in someone tips off the locals | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
and the next thing he knows there's pitchforks and torches | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
-as far as the eye can see. -Again. So? | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
So maybe he feels safer in prison than he does back on the streets. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
I'm afraid my concern is for the safety of the streets, not of a convicted paedophile. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
Especially one who's confessing to the kidnap and murder of a five-year-old child. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
Yeah, and I feel the same way too, but I would like to get to the truth before I hand things over to the CPS. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:35 | |
And that's what I want you to do, of course. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
For the tape, Mr Davies, can we remind you that you are entitled to legal representation, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:44 | |
but you've decided to waive that right. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
-I just want to get on with this. OK? -Fine. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
I want to confess to the kidnap of Yasser Gorton-Blackledge in 1985. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:55 | |
It was me, I took him. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
OK, but why are you confessing now, 25 years later? | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
Because it's the right thing to do. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
I realised that when I was in prison. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
I realised I had to pay for what I'd done. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
-Then why didn't you confess when you were still inside? -I wish I had. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
Really? Because according to your file you applied for parole at the earliest opportunity. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:19 | |
You were released because you'd shown willing in all the psychiatric treatment | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
and rehabilitation opportunities you were offered. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
Mr Davies, you wrote a ten-page statement in support of your parole application. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
Listen, I don't belong on the streets. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:37 | |
You need to put me away. Just put me back in prison. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
Surprisingly, it's not as simple as that. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
-We need to know whether you're telling us the truth. -I am. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
All right, let's start with what happened to Yasser. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
He was taken from his parents at a protest march and never seen again. Where is he? | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
All right, where's his body? | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
-It's gone. -Gone where? -You don't have to give us a map reference, just a general idea. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:02 | |
-We'll find it. -No, you won't. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
-I dumped the body at sea. -Really? | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
-Yeah. -And how did you do that? Did you hire a boat? | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
How did you get him from London to the coast? Did you have a car? | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
Provide us with some details. How long did you have him? | 0:04:12 | 0:04:15 | |
-Could anybody have seen the two of you together? -Look, I've confessed. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:21 | |
Isn't that enough for you? | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
-Well, isn't it? -No! Because he didn't bloody do it, Gerry. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
-Yeah, but he did plenty of other stuff. You've seen his file. -I have, and this crime doesn't fit. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:32 | |
She's right. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:33 | |
Davies used his position as a teacher to groom adolescent lads, not little children, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
and he never kidnapped anyone. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
-He was cleverer than that. -Cleverer? | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
OK, sly, mendacious. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
He was a different kind of predator, and he never used physical violence on his victims. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:50 | |
That doesn't make me feel any more comfortable about him being back on the streets. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:54 | |
He'd agree with you. He doesn't want to be out. That's why he confessed. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
He'd rather see out his days in a safe cell on D-Wing than live in fear in a council flat. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
-So what do we do? -Well, he's not going anywhere. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:05 | |
Let's just read the files and take it from there. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
April 20th, 1985. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
There was a demo against Israel's treatment of the Palestinians. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
In attendance was the Islington branch of the Free Palestine Coalition, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:20 | |
leading lights of which were husband and wife team Anne Gorton and Fred Blackledge. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:26 | |
Accompanying them was their young son, Yasser. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
Named after... | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
That's obvious, isn't it? | 0:05:32 | 0:05:33 | |
Now, the last reported sighting of him was on the north side of Westminster Bridge. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
The marchers were crossing from south towards the Houses Of Parliament. This was at 2.00pm. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:43 | |
Hold on, hold on, the kid wasn't reported missing till 8.00pm. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:46 | |
That's how long apparently it took before the parents realised he was missing. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
What? God, some parents don't deserve to have kids. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
Which is exactly what the press said. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
Yeah, well, they were very sympathetic at first, you know, playing up the victim angle. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:01 | |
-Until this came to light. -Look at them. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
And then journalists started asking very awkward questions. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
And answering them. They said that Anne and Fred were dangerous left-wing activists, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
too obsessed with politics to care for their kid. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
They were particularly hard on Anne, saying she'd failed as a mother. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
Maybe she did? | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
Yes, I had a call from DAC Strickland. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
He said that Davies had finally done the right thing. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
Finally? | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
It was fairly obvious once we found out about his history. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
He lived locally, he'd been to meetings in our home. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
Yasser knew him and must have trusted him enough to go with him. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
-It all makes sense, doesn't it? -We'll still have to do a proper investigation. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
Wouldn't be a problem for you, would it? | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
"Miscarriages of British Justice," "Rough Justice In Modern Britain." | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
"Are We Living In A Police State?" | 0:06:50 | 0:06:52 | |
I work for a civil liberties campaign group. That's where the real battle lies now. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:58 | |
The day is coming where we won't be able to go anywhere, meet anyone, | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
say anything without it being recorded and noted down by those in power. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
CCTV, internet monitoring, illegal phone taps. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
If you don't do anything wrong, there's nothing to worry about. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:12 | |
Well, it depends who's deciding what's right or wrong, doesn't it? | 0:07:12 | 0:07:15 | |
Still, if there had been CCTV on Westminster Bridge... | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
Oh, I'm aware of the double-edged sword. | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
If my son's disappearance had been properly investigated... | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
-You don't think it was? -I think you let the press do your job for you the first time round. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:29 | |
Well, there'll be no press involvement this time. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:31 | |
But we will need you and your husband to cooperate. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
Ex-husband. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
Fred and I separated after... | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
After Yasser. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
I'm sorry to hear that. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
We'd been on different paths for a long time. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
Emotionally and politically. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
In short, feminism is a fascist movement, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
hell bent on reducing men to the rank of second-class citizens. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:59 | |
Just as the Jews were demonised by the Nazis, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:01 | |
so the feminazis have waged a propaganda war against a whole gender. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
We are violent in the home according to the social workers. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:10 | |
We are obsolete according to the scientists. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
How long before this fascism is pursued to its inevitable conclusion? | 0:08:14 | 0:08:19 | |
Gender cleansing? | 0:08:19 | 0:08:21 | |
We'll expand on this theme next week. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:24 | |
Please do the reading. Thank you. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
That's quite a theory you've got there. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
Not theory, fact. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
-Can I help you? -My name's Halford, I called your office, I'm from UCOS. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
You're here about Yasser? | 0:08:40 | 0:08:41 | |
I'd like to talk to you about the day he went missing. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:44 | |
-And about John Davies? -Anything you can tell me. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
I can tell you the poor bastard was as much a victim as Yasser was. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
Oh, really? You don't think he did it? | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
You heard what I had to say about the feminist propaganda machine. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
For the last century we've been told over and over that men are predators, | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
just interested in violence and sex, and some men have chosen to believe this, | 0:09:00 | 0:09:04 | |
to allow themselves to be debased by it. Davies was one of them. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
OK. Professor Blackledge, you were the last person to see Yasser alive. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:15 | |
Yes, I didn't know that at the time. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
Yasser had been with us all day. He was riding on people's shoulders, banging his drum, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
shouting all the slogans. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
When we got to Westminster tube, Anne decided she wanted to go home. She had a headache. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
I thought she'd taken Yasser with her. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
Yasser was having such a good time, | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
I didn't want to take him home and spoil it. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
-Did you say that to Fred? -I said, "Yasser will be OK?" | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
And he nodded. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
But he thought I meant Yasser would be OK with me. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
I suppose it was an easy mistake to make. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:50 | |
And then you just went home? | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
I took a couple of aspirin, | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
made some food for when they got back, | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
and sat in the garden with a cup of tea. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:02 | |
Then Fred came home. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
I thought she was joking at first. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:08 | |
I thought he was upstairs in his bed, I even went up to check. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:12 | |
But then... | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
It felt like the bottom had fallen out of my world. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
So you called the police? | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
That's when it got real. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:21 | |
First few days we thought of him as just lost, that he'd turn up, | 0:10:21 | 0:10:26 | |
one way or another, but then the police started talking about him as a missing child. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:31 | |
Not lost, taken. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
The river police trawled up and down that part of the Thames. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
They handed out photos in the area. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
Nothing. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
Then they advised us to involve the press, | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
get the word out. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
But of course, that backfired. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
The coverage was pretty damning. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:51 | |
Not until Jamie Peters sold them that picture. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
Hold on, who was Jamie Peters? | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
A comrade, or so we thought. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
He'd been part of the campaign for years. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:02 | |
Totally dedicated to the cause. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
I'd like to know how much the press paid for that picture. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
And why didn't he sell them one of Yasser on Fred's shoulders, or holding my hand? | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
I think you know the answer to that. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
The journalists spoke to our friends, our family, trying to find some dirt on us. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:20 | |
And when they couldn't, they made it up. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
They crucified us day after day. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:28 | |
How long after that were you and Fred divorced? | 0:11:28 | 0:11:32 | |
About 18 months. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
We were so careful with each other at first, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
walking on eggshells. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
And then one night the dam broke and it all came out. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
I blamed him, he blamed me, we threw in a few other issues just to make it hurt that little bit more. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:52 | |
And then it was over, | 0:11:52 | 0:11:55 | |
-and he left. -'I learnt a valuable lesson.' | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
Men are always to blame. Just pick up a paper. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:02 | |
We cause war, famine, economic meltdown, while women are blameless. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
Well, that's all we've been told, over and over again. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
-Well, there's probably a reason... -Take the global warming myth. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
They call it man-made climate change. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
Man-made. As if a woman never drove a car or took a flight. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
You see, this is what we're fighting against. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
It's a woman's world, and we just live in it. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
You do realise that, don't you? | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
What a load of bollocks. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
I can't believe they let him teach. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
And write books. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:37 | |
Loads of them about Soviet Russia, China, Fidel Castro. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:43 | |
Then he goes all Middle Eastern and publishes a couple about Gaza and the Zionist conspiracy. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:49 | |
Oooh, then it's all about those pesky feminists. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
How's this for a title? | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
The Secret War On Modern Men. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
Sounds good. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
-Stick to your cook books, Gerry. -Yeah, you'd like that, wouldn't you? | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
Me tied to a kitchen sink, seen and not heard. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
I'm not sure I buy all this misunderstanding on Westminster Bridge. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
Nah, one of them would have said goodbye, told him who was looking after him. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
I think one of them's lying. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
Or both of them. It's a very convenient way to provide each other with an alibi. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
You think they killed their son? | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
Maybe not on purpose, but I don't think we should rule it out. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
Has anyone considered that little unsupervised Yasser might just have wandered away? | 0:13:24 | 0:13:29 | |
I know they trawled the river, but that was six hours later. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
I've been thinking about that. I've been on a few demos in me time. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
-Have you? -Oh, yes, when Esther and I were courting. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
She was quite the ragged-trousered philanthropist in her day. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
Those demos were always heavily policed. Especially around Westminster. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
Tell me about it. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
You went on a demo? I can believe it of him. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
No, in uniform! | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
Yeah, keeping the peace. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:55 | |
Actually I spent the whole day being called a pig or a capitalist running dog. "Kill the police!" | 0:13:55 | 0:14:00 | |
Yeah, they're all the same, that lot. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:02 | |
Who do they run to when their bikes get nicked? | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
Well, just to be sure, I looked up the Met's policing guidelines for demos at the time. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
There's a memo from the Chief Constable a week before suggesting that cover was doubled | 0:14:10 | 0:14:14 | |
on Westminster Bridge and around Parliament. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
Not the best place to snatch a child. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
Maybe he did just wander off? | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
In which case, I think we need to track down all the other people on that march with Fred and Anne | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
and ask them what they remember seeing. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
There we are. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:30 | |
-Well, what's the matter with it? -No, nothing, it looks lovely. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
It's just... | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
-I remember a time when this was the last thing you'd want to be doing. -What? | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
Getting the tea on the table in time for your husband coming home. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
What was it you and your gang used to call it? | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
Domestic slavery. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
Well, that was a long time ago. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:01 | |
You were going to defeat the forces of oppression, that was it. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:05 | |
So what happened? | 0:15:05 | 0:15:06 | |
What happens to most people. We got married, we had Mark, real life! | 0:15:06 | 0:15:11 | |
Esther, you were going to lead a revolution! | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
-No, I wasn't! -Well, you went to all the meetings. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
Yeah, along with some student teachers, an ageing social worker, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
and that woman who used to sell woolly hats at Camden Market. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
-That's who I was going to manning the barricades with. -Yeah, still... | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
We'd all have been dead by teatime. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:31 | |
-Morning, Ma'am. -Morning. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
-Mr Davies? Are you waiting for me? -Yes. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:41 | |
-I was wondering if you were going to be arresting me today? -Probably not. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:46 | |
Why not? | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
What do I need to do to get you to believe me? | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
Provide some evidence. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
Tell us where to find the body. Give us some details. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
Well, it's me own fault. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:10 | |
I've domesticated her. | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
Stolen her fire. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:14 | |
Oh, I don't know. I think your Esther's still got plenty of that. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
-Hello, you, um, wanted to see me? -Gillian Withall? | 0:16:20 | 0:16:22 | |
-That's right. -I'm Jack Halford, this is Brian Lane. -How do you do? | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
-Hello. -Were you ever a member of the Islington branch of the Free Palestine campaign? | 0:16:26 | 0:16:32 | |
Oh, God, in another life. Erm, 20-odd years ago. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
We'd like to talk to you about the disappearance of Yasser Gorton-Blackledge. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
-Right. You better come through. -Thank you. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:44 | |
I met Fred at North London University. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
-You were a student? -No, no, no, I was a nurse at the university health centre dishing out pills - | 0:16:48 | 0:16:53 | |
pregnancy tests and penicillin. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
It was the summer of '84 and the students had occupied the building as a protest. | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
Protest about what? | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
They were going to occupy the building until Israel stopped occupying Palestine. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
Well, that worked(!) | 0:17:07 | 0:17:09 | |
I was there as a first aider. I had no interest in politics at all. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
And then I got talking to Fred. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:15 | |
Next thing I know I'm going to meetings and demos and... | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
-Looking back on it, I think it was all a bit of a distraction. -From what? | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
I'd just been through a divorce. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:23 | |
-It was nice to have some new friends. -You remember Yasser, do you? -Of course. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
-Poor little thing. -How so? | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
Well... | 0:17:31 | 0:17:32 | |
It didn't surprise me that he wandered off. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
He never had any boundaries. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
The house was always full of strangers for meetings and demos. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
He went to all the rallies and protests. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
I mean, maybe it was just a matter of time before something happened. | 0:17:44 | 0:17:49 | |
So, you would agree with what the press said about Anne and Fred? | 0:17:49 | 0:17:52 | |
-They were negligent parents? -I wouldn't go as far as that. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
-How far would you go? -I just think | 0:17:55 | 0:17:58 | |
they didn't realise how lucky they were to have Yasser until it was too late. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:03 | |
What about John Davies? | 0:18:03 | 0:18:06 | |
Do you think he showed any inappropriate attention to Yasser? | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
No, no, not as far as I remember. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
To be honest, he was only ever at a couple of the meetings, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
-and then I think he came out of politeness. -What do you mean? | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
Well, he was a teacher at the local school. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:20 | |
-Was he? -It doesn't bear thinking about. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
Anne was on the board of governors, I think she nagged him into coming to a couple of the meetings. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
The thing about Fred and Anne is they always assumed | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
that everyone was as committed to the cause as they were. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:33 | |
They didn't realise that some people would just | 0:18:33 | 0:18:35 | |
pick up a leaflet or sign a petition just to get them off their backs. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:39 | |
-And on this the demo, was Davies there? -Not as far as I remember, no. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
After Yasser went missing, how did Anne and Fred seem? | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
I have no idea. The demo was the last time I saw any of the group. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
It was sort of like my leaving party. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
-Big party. Where were you going? -Sudan. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
I'd volunteered to work as a nurse in the refugee camps. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
-Wow, that was brave. -Very admirable. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
I would never have dreamt of doing it if it hadn't been for Fred and Anne. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
They certainly broadened my horizons. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:09 | |
How long were you there? | 0:19:09 | 0:19:11 | |
Two hard, dirty, traumatic, amazing years. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:17 | |
It was the best and worst thing I've ever done. I still miss it. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
Why did you come back? | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
I wanted my son to have a British education. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
Oh, you have a son? | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
Was he a friend of Yasser's? | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
-Did Davies ever talk to him? -No, no, no, I didn't have him then. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
So you were pregnant while you were working in the refugee camps? | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
That must have been hard. I'm surprised you weren't just sent home. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
No, you don't understand. I adopted Will while I was out there. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
-Quite a souvenir to bring back, eh? -Better than a stick of rock. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
I'm hoping he might have other pictures from that day. Crowd shots maybe. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:55 | |
Featuring your local neighbourhood nonce, John Davies! | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
Well, that would be extremely helpful, but I won't hold my breath. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:01 | |
No, I'm more interested in seeing whether that shot was taken out of context | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
or whether they really were being negligent. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
Yeah, that's the one there. At least I hope it is. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
He was living here in '85 and I've got no record of him moving. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
You know how I love a long shot. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:16 | |
Hello, Detective Superintendent Pullman. Does Jamie Peters live here? | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
Er, he does, but he's away with work at the moment. Can I get him to call you? | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
-Yeah, thanks, I'll give you my card. -Will he know what it's about? | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
Yeah, it's about Yasser Gorton-Blackledge, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
who went missing in 1985. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
Oh, OK. He'll be in touch. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:43 | |
Cheers. Bye-bye. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
-Thank you. -Bye. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:46 | |
Long shot paid off. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:50 | |
We spoke to several members of the group and they all said pretty much the same thing. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
-Thank you. -They weren't bad parents. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:56 | |
Just a bit distracted? | 0:20:56 | 0:20:58 | |
Yeah, we got the same story. | 0:20:58 | 0:21:00 | |
And as for Yasser, | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
he was just happy to go along for the ride. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
-Very self-reliant. -Maybe he had to be. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
Gillian Withall described him as lonely. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:09 | |
-And? -Well, lonely boys are easy prey for predators. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
A few kind words, a bag of sweets... | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
But hardly any of them even remembered Davies. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:18 | |
And those that did don't remember him being interested in Yasser. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
Of course they wouldn't notice. I mean, what did you call him? Mendacious? | 0:21:22 | 0:21:25 | |
These blokes are smart. They know how to keep under the radar. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
-I mean, how long was he a teacher before anyone knew what was going on? -Best part of ten years. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
Yeah, and that's why we've got this surveillance culture that Anne Gorton campaigns against. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:39 | |
Some people need to be under surveillance. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
-What now? -He says he's got some new information for us. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
Go on. | 0:21:56 | 0:21:57 | |
Yasser had a toy car with him when I took him. A little red one. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
And where is it now? | 0:22:01 | 0:22:03 | |
I don't know. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:04 | |
You don't have it? | 0:22:04 | 0:22:05 | |
No. It must be with the body. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
-Which is at sea! -Ask Anne Gorton about it. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
Ask her. She'll tell you. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
I'll be at home when you're ready to arrest me. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
Sandra? | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
Are you here to talk about John Davies? | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
Actually, I'm here to ask why you were knocking on the door of an MI5 safe house this morning. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:30 | |
I wasn't aware I was. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:31 | |
You asked for a Jamie Peters? | 0:22:31 | 0:22:34 | |
That's an active alias for one of their agents. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:36 | |
Oh, is it now? | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
MI5. Who would have thought? | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
Mind you, I've always fancied a look inside. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:48 | |
Yeah, it would make a nice change to interfere in one of their cases instead of the other way round. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:53 | |
I expect there'll be some serious security though. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
Retina scans, full-body metal detectors. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
Come on, let's get on with it. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
There you go. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
-Thank you. -Is that it? | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
Yes. Richard will take you down. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
-This way, gentlemen. -After you, Miss Moneypenny. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
You see, that's a mistake a lot of people make. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:26 | |
-What? -James Bond was actually MI6. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
MI6 are the spies. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
MI5 are the spy catchers. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
We've given you temporary low-level clearance. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
So, I am able to tell you that Jamie Peters was an operative in the '80s | 0:23:36 | 0:23:40 | |
tasked with intelligence gathering within fringe political organisations. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 | |
Anne Gorton, Fred Blackledge and the Free Palestinian group were placed under surveillance | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
-because we believed at the time that they had links to other less benign groups in the Middle East. -Did they? | 0:23:50 | 0:23:56 | |
Probably not. They did have an unusual amount | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
of contact with foreign nationals, but they were usually just overseas students they'd taken in as lodgers. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:05 | |
Fred Blackledge did visit a few hot spots. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
China, Cuba, East Germany, the Soviet Union. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
Yeah, well, he was writing books about those places. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
And what happened to our man in Islington? | 0:24:13 | 0:24:16 | |
Jamie was reassigned after the boy disappeared | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
to avoid his becoming embroiled in the Metropolitan Police's investigation. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:24 | |
To explain the sudden withdrawal from the Gorton-Blackledge social circle | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
we released some photos to the press in Jamie's name. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
And made it look like he'd sold them down the river and couldn't face them. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
Dirty trick. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:38 | |
Unfortunate operational necessity. | 0:24:38 | 0:24:40 | |
So, these are the surveillance files and Jamie's notes. Take as long you like. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
-Nice piles, neat piles. -Anything else? | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
Yeah, you couldn't point us in the direction of the nearest tea machine could you? | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
Afraid not. Classified. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
Thank you. Did Yasser have a favourite toy? | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
Yes, a little red car. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
His grandad gave it to him. He loved it. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
-Who else know about it? -No-one. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
Do you still have it? | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
No. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
No, he must have sneaked it into his pocket before we left for the march. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
It was a couple of weeks before I realised. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:27 | |
I wasn't able to go into his room at first. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:31 | |
I didn't want anyone to disturb it, in case... | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
-I just wanted everything to be as he'd left it when he came home. -Of course you did. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:42 | |
When I did finally go in, | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
I realised that it wasn't there. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:47 | |
Did anyone else know it was missing? | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
No. Just me and Fred. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:54 | |
-Aren't Laurel and Hardy back yet? -No. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
-Tell them to stop wasting their time. I'm bringing Davies in. -Sandra! | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
No-one else knew about the car. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
He didn't do it. I pulled his education department record. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
On the day of the march he was in a school disciplinary meeting | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
accused of inappropriate behaviour towards a pupil. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
A boy of 15. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:16 | |
And he talked his way out of it? | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
He claimed the boy made the accusation because he'd put him in detention. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
The headmaster gave him the benefit of the doubt, but I don't think he was too comfortable about it, | 0:26:22 | 0:26:27 | |
cos Davies was persuaded to move on. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:28 | |
To another school? Great(!) | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
That's why Anne and Fred didn't see him again. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:33 | |
No, our first instincts were right. He had nothing to do with it. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:36 | |
But why make a false confession? | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
And how the hell did he know about this little red car? | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
Well, he knew about it today, but his memory wasn't so sharp yesterday. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:45 | |
Yes, so where's he getting his information from? | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
Come on. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:50 | |
You should have arrested me. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
No, I shouldn't. We know you didn't do it. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
We know you were at a school meeting on the day of the demo. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
However, I am thinking of charging you with wasting police time. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
Anything to say? | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
Look, if you just wanted to be relocated... | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 | |
What would be the bloody point of that? He'd just find me. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:28 | |
-Who would? -Anthony Vernon. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
And who's he? | 0:27:31 | 0:27:33 | |
I don't know! Just some nutter. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
I don't know how he knows who I am, but he does. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
And wherever they put me, he's there. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
He talks to the neighbours, tells them who... What I am. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:46 | |
So, you thought you'd confess to Yasser's murder and get put out of harm's way? | 0:27:46 | 0:27:51 | |
No, that was his idea. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
Anthony Vernon told you to confess? | 0:27:53 | 0:27:55 | |
I confronted him, | 0:27:55 | 0:27:58 | |
I asked him why he was doing this to me. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
He said he knew that I'd taken Yasser. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
I told him it was nothing to do with me, he was having none of it, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:10 | |
threatened to make the rest of my life a misery if I didn't hand myself in. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
After six months of him I just wanted to be somewhere safe. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:20 | |
I thought you'd jump at the chance to put away a pervert. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
He went mad when I told him you weren't interested in me. | 0:28:27 | 0:28:32 | |
That's when he told me to come back and tell you about the toy car. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
He fed you that information? | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
Yeah. And when that didn't work... | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
I assume this young lady is here to take your statement. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
-Yes I am, Sir. -We'll be in touch. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
Cor, blimey, I thought being a spy would be exciting. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
Can you imagine, five years of going to boring meetings pretending to be interested? | 0:28:55 | 0:28:59 | |
Making a note of everyone who turns up. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
He even goes about who brought the biscuits in this one. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
Yeah, I don't remember that bit about custard creams in Goldfinger, do you? | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
I mean, most of this is just gossip. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
There's quite a bit about Fred and Anne's marriage. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
-Well, she was knocking off the lodgers, weren't she? -What? | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
Yeah, here, in this one, there. | 0:29:18 | 0:29:23 | |
Mind you, it is 1981. So it's hardly relevant. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
It's got to be more interesting than another discussion about Zionism. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
Oh, I see! | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
So while poor old Fred was freezing his Baltics off in Moscow, she found another way of keeping warm. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:40 | |
-Gives a whole new meaning to bed and breakfast. -Doesn't it, though? -What? | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
Well, I was just thinking, it wasn't just Davies who had the chance to get to know Yasser, gain his trust. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:51 | |
-What, the lodgers, you mean? -Well, it's the most interesting thing in these files, | 0:29:51 | 0:29:56 | |
unless you consider the very nice Garibaldis they had on the 13th of November. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:01 | |
I don't know. | 0:30:01 | 0:30:02 | |
-I found a familiar name here. -Who's? | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
-No, I don't think I should show you. -Why ever not? | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
-According to what I've just read, you're a potential security risk. -What, there's stuff about me there? | 0:30:09 | 0:30:14 | |
Brian, how well do you know Esther? | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
I'm married to her, Gerry. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:19 | |
It's called deep cover. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
Where? It's just more stuff about these meetings, innit? | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
-GERRY LAUGHS -That's not amusing. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:30 | |
Oh, I don't know. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:32 | |
I wonder how Esther would feel about you being so quick to believe she's a double agent. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:38 | |
Right, come on. Let's go and see this lusty landlady, eh? | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
-Mr Vernon, I'm sure you're aware that perverting the course of justice is a serious offence. -Of course. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:48 | |
Then perhaps you'd care to explain why you forced John Davies | 0:30:48 | 0:30:51 | |
-into confessing to a crime he didn't commit. -I didn't. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
We have a statement of that effect from Mr Davies. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
Oh, right. That's Davies the convicted paedophile? | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
His previous convictions have no bearing on this case. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:02 | |
Yeah, and I'm a sure a jury of my peers will agree. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
Everyone knows you can always trust a kiddie fiddler. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
What about doctors? How do you think they go down with a jury? | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
Because the facial injuries that Davies is recovering from tell their own story. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:16 | |
I don't know what you're talking about. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:18 | |
You see, what I don't understand is why this particular case? | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
Why did you want him to confess to the killing of Yasser Gorton-Blackledge? | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
As I've told you, I didn't. I've never even heard of... | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
Do you have any links to the family, Mr Vernon? | 0:31:28 | 0:31:30 | |
Cos you passed on some details that only somebody close to them would know. Care to explain why? | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
-No. -Sure about that? -Yeah, positive. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
Chief Superintendent? | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
-Davies has dropped the assault charge. -Why? | 0:31:42 | 0:31:46 | |
It was an accident, he fell over his cat. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:48 | |
Shit. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
You're free to go. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
Am I supposed to be surprised? | 0:31:58 | 0:31:59 | |
Of course MI5 were watching us. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
It must have been a very dull assignment for Jamie. All we did was talk. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:05 | |
They were very interested in your lodgers. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
You know, the foreign students you had staying with you. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
We were on a digs list at the university. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:12 | |
For the most part they were nice boys who needed a bed and a friendly face. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
You were a little bit more than friendly. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
It was a complicated time in our marriage. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
-Fred was overseas a lot. I got lonely. -Yeah, I think we can understand that. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
I'm sorry, but I'm not sure what this has to do with my son. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
We didn't take in students after Yasser was born. We didn't have the room. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
-Did you keep in touch with any of them? -The odd postcard. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
One or two stayed in the UK after they'd finished their courses. They'd pop in. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
Thinking back, would you say that any of them may have posed a danger to your son? | 0:32:40 | 0:32:45 | |
No. Why would you? | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
Because they were foreign? | 0:32:48 | 0:32:51 | |
-Dear God! Some things never change. -No, because they had access to your home. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:56 | |
-They were almost part of the family. -You're barking up the wrong tree. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
There's absolutely no need for you to start disrupting their lives. | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
It's just a line of enquiry. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
Well, it's offensive. | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
And I'd like you to leave. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
Typical bloody lefty to play the race card. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
I don't care if her lodgers are foreigners. I don't care if they're extraterrestrials. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:14 | |
-And I don't think that's what it was all about. -She was covering? | 0:33:14 | 0:33:18 | |
Well, she seemed very uncomfortable about us contacting any of them. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
-Why? Because of the affairs? -No! once she and Fred got divorced that's water under the bridge. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:28 | |
Yeah, but at the time, maybe it all boiled over? | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
-So you think things got violent? -I don't know. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
Fred does have strong opinions about domestic violence. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:37 | |
I just think it's another thing to add to their list of distractions. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:42 | |
-Politics, a broken marriage... -It's like Jack said from the off. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:46 | |
I mean, this story gives a very convenient alibi for the both of them. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
Go back to Gillian Withall, she seems to have known them the longest and the best. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:54 | |
Would anyone be surprised to hear that Anthony Vernon has got a history of violence? | 0:33:54 | 0:33:59 | |
-Not really. Go on. -His ex-wife has a restraining order against him. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:02 | |
He's not allowed within 20 feet of her, or the children. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
The kids as well? That's unusual. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:07 | |
-Do you think she'll speak to us? -We can but try. But why should we? | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
Well, I've got nowhere with the man himself. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
I want to know why he wanted Davies to confess to this case specifically. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
Karen Vernon? Detective Superintendent Pullman, this is Jack Halford. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
-Come in. -Thank you. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
Thank you. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:29 | |
-It's not the first time I've spoken to the police about Tony. -I'm sorry. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
It's OK. He can't touch me now. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
Not physically, or in any other way. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
-I'm glad to hear it. -It's when he threatened the boys. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
It was like he switched something off in me. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
He said if I ever left him, he'd kill me and make the kids watch. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
It took me three months to save up enough money and then find a place to run to. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:54 | |
We haven't seen him since. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
He's tried. He dragged me through the law courts, but it's his temper. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
-Punched his solicitor the last time. -Not a smart move. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:04 | |
The thing is, he's not stupid. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
He used to be a journalist. But he kept losing it with the editors, so he never made it to the nationals. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:11 | |
So he worked for a local paper. Which one? | 0:35:11 | 0:35:14 | |
-Oh, different ones. -In 1985? | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
Islington Gazette I think. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
He only lasted about a year on that one. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:24 | |
Did he ever work on a story about a little boy who was abducted? | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
-Yasser Gorton-Blackledge? -Yeah. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:33 | |
Is that what this is about? | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
He was obsessed with that story. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
He was the first on the scene. He had a contact at the police station that tipped him off. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:43 | |
He door-stepped the parents and sold the story to the nationals. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
-He thought it was his big chance. -But it wasn't? | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
No, they just paid him for the first report and then sent in their own hacks. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
He tried to follow up the story, though. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
He did an interview with the dad. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
Er, Fred? | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
Yeah, when was this? | 0:35:59 | 0:36:00 | |
-'95, it's the year we left. -Ten years later. -It was a sort of anniversary piece. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:05 | |
He couldn't sell it, though. No-one was interested. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
-He must have been bitter about that. -Yeah. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
I had two black eyes and a broken rib to prove it. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
Oh, what have you got? | 0:36:21 | 0:36:22 | |
Look at me there! Oh, this brings back some memories. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
Oh, there's Jane Longthorn. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:36 | |
I wonder what happened to her. | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
Who knows? | 0:36:39 | 0:36:40 | |
Might be married, couple of children. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
-Probably. -Or she could be under deep cover in a former Soviet state. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:48 | |
Depends what her next mission was and if she chose to accept it. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
What on earth are you talking about? | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
Infiltration! | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
You do realise that any of your so-called sisters could have been working for the security services? | 0:36:56 | 0:37:02 | |
Reporting your every move back to the powers that be? | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
Don't be so ridiculous. They wouldn't have been interested in me. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
That might be, but you remember, you dragged me along to a couple of those meetings, and some marches. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:15 | |
-Me! A serving officer of the law. -Yeah. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
Well, they probably thought you were trying to turn me into a sleeper. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:22 | |
A Manchurian candidate. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:24 | |
Brian, have you taken your tablets today? | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
They might still be listening! | 0:37:27 | 0:37:29 | |
You're still an activist, aren't you? | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
You went to a political meeting only last week. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
Yes, about the closing of the post office. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
-Even so. -I do remember! | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
There was some talk of bringing down the government and stringing up a few Royals from the lampposts! | 0:37:38 | 0:37:43 | |
This isn't a joke. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:45 | |
No, I know. That's what worries me. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:50 | |
I'm going to bed. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:51 | |
Don't be long. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
-MONOTONE: -Yes, and I'm going to bed now myself and all. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:59 | |
It's not just the potential invasion of my civil liberties, or my rights as a private citizen. | 0:38:03 | 0:38:09 | |
I can't stop thinking about how being an enemy of the state might have held me back. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
What lists does my name appear on, and what opportunities have I missed as a result? | 0:38:14 | 0:38:20 | |
I'm telling you, I could have been held back all this time. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
-Held back from what? -Promotion! | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
I might have been Commissioner by now for all we know. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:28 | |
I don't think it was the secret service that held you back. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:31 | |
No, that was the misandry of the global gynarchy oppressing the male | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
and allowing him to deny his natural position of authority. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
What the hell are you reading? | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
One of Fred Blackledge's books. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
I mean it's well over the top in places, but there's a lot he says rings a bell with me. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
I mean, I've spent my whole life being told what to do by women. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:52 | |
Yeah, wives, daughters, Detective Superintendent Sandra Pullman. Hold on, I'm reading that. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:58 | |
Yeah, I know. That's the problem. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
Gerry, with me. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
I rest my case. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
Yes, I was aware of my wife's behaviour while I was away. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:14 | |
I found out when I returned home a day early from a trip to Havana. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:18 | |
She was in bed with her latest. It was quite the cliche. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
-Still upsetting. -At the time, yes, but now I understand. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
-Understand what? -The myth of the biological imperative. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
-Are you familiar? -Refresh my memory. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
We are told over and over that men are the promiscuous gender, that we are driven by sex. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:35 | |
The fact is that both genders are driven by sex. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
The difference is that women cut off that drive when they | 0:39:38 | 0:39:42 | |
have secured what it was they were looking for all along. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
-Which is? -A child. The truth is that women do not have sex for pleasure. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:50 | |
-The truth? -Now I understand if you find that distressing | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
but that's only because you are conditioned to believe that you enjoy sex. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
-Conditioned by who? -Capitalist forces. The market. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
The pharmaceutical companies that make you reliant on the pill. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
The cosmetic companies that say you have to be desirable. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
The Feminazi magazines who peddle the lies of Dr Grafenburg and his ilk. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:10 | |
Doctor? | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
Grafenburg. The inventor of the G-spot? And I do mean inventor. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
OK, let me see if I've got this right. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:17 | |
When women don't enjoy themselves in bed, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
it's not the fault of the man. It's social conditioning? | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
-Exactly! Well done. -So when your wife looked elsewhere | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
because you weren't satisfying her, that wasn't your fault? | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
-Maybe you haven't completely understood. -Maybe not. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:32 | |
All I know is that once my wife had her child, she lost all interest in anything sexual. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:37 | |
-She had no desire... -For you? | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
For sexual pleasure. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
It simply wasn't on her list of priorities any more. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
-Guv'nor! -I see. -Guv'nor! -What? | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
Oh, everyone knew about the affairs. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:56 | |
Anne didn't do anything to hide them. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
It was her way of getting back at Fred for leaving her alone for weeks on end. | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
So, they were just casual affairs? | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
It was sort of like a holiday romance only Fred was the one having the holiday. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:10 | |
She could get quite intense about her young men but then as soon as Fred came home... | 0:41:10 | 0:41:16 | |
Were the young men as intense as she was? | 0:41:16 | 0:41:18 | |
What do you think? | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
There was one that went a bit puppy dog. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
Harry actually was pretty smitten and I did think she might do something stupid with him. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:29 | |
Like leave Fred? | 0:41:29 | 0:41:30 | |
Maybe. But then Fred came home and caught them at it. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:34 | |
He went mad and threw Harry out. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:35 | |
Which was obviously exactly what Anne wanted all along. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
-Really? -She might have been a feminist but she still wanted a caveman. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
She just wanted him to show her that he cared. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
After that it was all happy families. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
Especially when Yasser came along. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
She didn't know how lucky she was to have all that. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:53 | |
Still, she didn't deserve to lose it. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
No, no, of course not. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:58 | |
Mum, can you come and take some blood? | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
-Sorry, I didn't realise you had visitors. -Oh, that's OK. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
We're just about to leave. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
-You must be Gillian's son? -That's right. Dr William Withall. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
But most people just call me Will. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
Quite a medical family, aren't you? | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
Is your brother a doctor as well? | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
I don't have a brother. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
My mistake, sorry. Shall we... | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
Why not. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:25 | |
Far be it from me to not be politically correct... | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
I think I know what you're going to say, but go on. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
When you adopt from Africa don't they usually give you a black baby? | 0:42:36 | 0:42:41 | |
So, what is it about Fred Blackledge that you find so damn fascinating? | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
-You wouldn't understand. -Why, because I'm a woman? | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
Yeah. Yeah that is exactly it. You've not been oppressed. | 0:42:48 | 0:42:51 | |
You don't know what it's like to live in a world | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
-of emasculation created by feminism! -No, I suppose not. -Fred has. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
He understands, you see, how the system is weighted against us now. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:01 | |
How the pendulum has swung too far. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:03 | |
He understands because he's experienced it. | 0:43:03 | 0:43:05 | |
He has experienced the loss of a child... | 0:43:05 | 0:43:08 | |
Yes, but the way you lost your children is very different. | 0:43:08 | 0:43:12 | |
I told you. You don't understand. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
Apparently not. So, wasn't Davies part of the brotherhood? | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
-You tried to pin a murder on him. -Because he did it. -No, Mr Vernon. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:22 | |
-Yeah, Fred told me about his suspicions in '95. -The anniversary interview? | 0:43:22 | 0:43:25 | |
The interview that changed my life. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:27 | |
You see, he was just developing his theories, his philosophy back then. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:31 | |
But what little he told me | 0:43:31 | 0:43:33 | |
set me free from my guilt, from my torment. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:37 | |
And ever since I've been... well, finding a way to repay the favour. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:42 | |
Then I heard that Davies was out. | 0:43:42 | 0:43:44 | |
-How did you hear? -I was a journalist. I have my contacts. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
You know that he only served half of his sentence? | 0:43:46 | 0:43:49 | |
-He was a model prisoner. -He's a sick bastard. | 0:43:49 | 0:43:51 | |
Maybe, but he's not a murderer. | 0:43:51 | 0:43:54 | |
Looks like you'll have to find some other sacrifice for the master. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:58 | |
This is... | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
Oh, for God's sake! | 0:44:01 | 0:44:03 | |
Have you read any of this crap? | 0:44:03 | 0:44:05 | |
Well, you know me, Guv'nor, not a big reader. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:08 | |
It's one thing to hear him spouting the rubbish, | 0:44:08 | 0:44:10 | |
but to see it in black and white. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:12 | |
Listen to this. "In divorces, the father should get automatic | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
"custody of their sons so that they are not exposed to the gender war propaganda of their mothers." | 0:44:15 | 0:44:21 | |
No wonder he was able to recruit Anthony Vernon. | 0:44:21 | 0:44:24 | |
I still don't think he put Vernon up to framing John Davies though. | 0:44:24 | 0:44:27 | |
No, neither do I. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:30 | |
Vernon's just an extremist who wanted to show devotion | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
to his hero and I also don't think he had anything to do with Yasser's death. | 0:44:33 | 0:44:37 | |
You're right about that. Because we don't think that Yasser is dead. | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
OK, there is no record of an official adoption. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:43 | |
That doesn't mean anything, Jack. | 0:44:43 | 0:44:45 | |
But there is a record of another child. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:48 | |
Born to Gillian in December 1980. | 0:44:48 | 0:44:51 | |
Died February 1981. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:53 | |
Three months? Gawd, poor cow. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
She did say she'd been going through a bad time before hooking up with Anne and Fred. | 0:44:56 | 0:45:01 | |
A marriage break-up - sounds like we've found the cause. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:04 | |
And the name of the child that died was William. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:07 | |
So, a couple of days after Yasser goes missing, Gillian goes to Africa | 0:45:07 | 0:45:11 | |
and comes back two years later with a white son. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
She kept saying that Anne didn't realise how lucky she was to have Yasser. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:18 | |
Maybe she decided to prove her point and take him away. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
We'll pursue this line of enquiry but I want to handle it with kid gloves. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:25 | |
I don't want to confront a bereaved mother until we've done a bit of digging. | 0:45:25 | 0:45:29 | |
We should talk to he ex-husband. See if they kept in touch. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
Yeah, bring him in tomorrow morning. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:34 | |
Brian! What are you doing now? | 0:46:05 | 0:46:07 | |
-I'm looking for listening devices. -What? | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
Do you remember when we had that squariel fitted years ago? | 0:46:09 | 0:46:13 | |
-I think that's when they might have done it! -What?! | 0:46:13 | 0:46:16 | |
Oh, don't look at me like that, Esther! | 0:46:16 | 0:46:18 | |
I wouldn't need to do this if it wasn't for you and your radical politics. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:22 | |
Hang on. You went to those meetings as well! | 0:46:22 | 0:46:27 | |
I was... I was trying to impress you. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
I had no interest in politics! | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
Oh, for God's sake, give me that. | 0:46:33 | 0:46:36 | |
If I'd have known it was going to ruin me career... | 0:46:36 | 0:46:39 | |
I beg your pardon? | 0:46:45 | 0:46:46 | |
-Nothing. -Are you trying to say that I've been holding you back? | 0:46:46 | 0:46:51 | |
Not on purpose. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
Would you like to talk about what ruined your career? | 0:46:55 | 0:47:00 | |
Would you like to talk about the drinking? | 0:47:00 | 0:47:03 | |
The obsessive behaviour? | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
No. I didn't think you would. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:08 | |
Mr Withall, I'm Detective Superintendent Pullman. | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
Thank you for coming in, take a seat. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:18 | |
Can I get you a tea or coffee? | 0:47:18 | 0:47:21 | |
No, thank you. You said this was about Gillian. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:24 | |
When was the last time you saw your ex-wife? | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
-Why? Has something happened to her? Is she OK? -She's fine. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
Because I haven't seen her since the divorce became final. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
Would you mind if we asked you about your divorce? | 0:47:32 | 0:47:35 | |
Erm, well, it wasn't my idea. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
It was after... | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
-We lost our son. Cot death. -Yes, we know and we're very sorry. | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
One of them things. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:46 | |
That's what they say. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:48 | |
But it felt like the end of the world and it never really goes away. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
There's always a hole. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:52 | |
And for us that hole became divorce. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:56 | |
You say that you've not seen Gillian, but you have heard from her? | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
-Do you still have any mutual friends? -No, she cut everyone off, pretty much. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:05 | |
What about her family? Do you keep in touch with them? | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
She didn't have much family. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:09 | |
Her mum and dad had gone. | 0:48:09 | 0:48:11 | |
Erm, she had a brother but he lived in Canada and they weren't close. | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
That's why we wanted to start a family. We wanted a houseful. | 0:48:15 | 0:48:18 | |
So, no contact? | 0:48:18 | 0:48:19 | |
I tried to get in touch in 2001. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:22 | |
It would have been Will's 21st. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:24 | |
I wondered if she wanted to go to the graveyard, leave some flowers. | 0:48:24 | 0:48:29 | |
I got in touch with her through the nurses' union. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:32 | |
She wouldn't talk to me. | 0:48:32 | 0:48:33 | |
She wanted a new start. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:34 | |
-Did she say that? -Yeah. I just hope she got what she wanted. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:39 | |
Mr Withall, I'm assuming that you don't know that Gillian has adopted a son? | 0:48:41 | 0:48:46 | |
No, I didn't. | 0:48:50 | 0:48:53 | |
She never... | 0:48:53 | 0:48:55 | |
-A boy? What did she call him? -William. | 0:48:56 | 0:48:59 | |
Really? William? | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
I would never have... | 0:49:04 | 0:49:05 | |
-Is that everything? -Yes, I think that's it. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:13 | |
Thank you very much and, um... I'm sorry. | 0:49:13 | 0:49:15 | |
-Well, that wasn't fun. -Illuminating though. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
Gillian Withall was isolated enough to bring the child home | 0:49:31 | 0:49:35 | |
and not to have anybody ask any awkward questions. | 0:49:35 | 0:49:38 | |
Well, she's going to answer some questions now. | 0:49:38 | 0:49:40 | |
Let's get it over with. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:42 | |
I suppose we just stay here and twiddle our thumbs? | 0:49:44 | 0:49:47 | |
Fancy going rogue? | 0:49:49 | 0:49:51 | |
Hello. Back again? What can I do for you this time? | 0:49:58 | 0:50:01 | |
-This is Superintendent Pullman, we'd like to talk to you. -And your son. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:05 | |
Yes, erm, this way. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
I think I always knew there was something not quite right. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:17 | |
She wouldn't let me see my dad. | 0:50:17 | 0:50:18 | |
Why not? | 0:50:18 | 0:50:20 | |
Mum said he was violent and that we didn't need him. | 0:50:20 | 0:50:23 | |
And every time I needed anything official, any paperwork... | 0:50:24 | 0:50:28 | |
it was always lost or there was some complication. | 0:50:28 | 0:50:30 | |
Would be? | 0:50:30 | 0:50:33 | |
So... Who am I? | 0:50:33 | 0:50:38 | |
I don't want to give a definitive answer to that until we've done a DNA test and made some more enquiries. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:46 | |
Yeah, I get that. But before we get into the soap opera part of all this... | 0:50:46 | 0:50:51 | |
Just tell me who I might be? | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
Nicos Megas. That's your real name, OK? | 0:50:55 | 0:50:58 | |
It's not Yasser. | 0:50:58 | 0:50:59 | |
His mother gave him to me when she died. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
I've got all the paperwork at home to prove it. He's mine. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:05 | |
-You're mine, Will. -It's OK. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:07 | |
Calm down. I'm 30-years-old, mum. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:08 | |
They can't take me away. | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
You're not who they're saying you are. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
-They haven't said anything, Mum. -I wouldn't just... | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
I can't believe you think I'd do that to another family! | 0:51:16 | 0:51:19 | |
I know what it feels like to lose a child. | 0:51:19 | 0:51:21 | |
SHE SOBS | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
-Do you think we've got the right clearance for using the loos this time? -Stop moaning. | 0:51:30 | 0:51:36 | |
I just think we're wasting our time here, Gerry. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:40 | |
This lodger thing's going nowhere. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:42 | |
They weren't even taking in students when Yasser went missing. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
Yeah, but they were there when he was conceived. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
-Oh, here we are! -What? | 0:51:49 | 0:51:51 | |
Harry, or Abu Hamas as his mum called him. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:56 | |
-Half of it's blacked out. -Yeah. Redacted. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
-Eh? -That means this material's still highly classified. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:03 | |
I wonder if that Richard bloke's still about. | 0:52:03 | 0:52:06 | |
-We need to be fully briefed. -Go and ask him. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:52:10 | 0:52:12 | |
Pack it all up. We're putting this one down to experience. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:17 | |
Oh, no, no, you can't! | 0:52:17 | 0:52:18 | |
Gillian Withall was a dead end. I can't progress with this any further. | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
Yeah, but we can. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:23 | |
We think that Yasser was taken by his dad. | 0:52:23 | 0:52:26 | |
-Fred? -Abu Hamas, from Gaza. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:29 | |
He was a leading light in the PLO. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:31 | |
-Is he now? -Was. He's dead, which is why the spooks could tell us about him. -Spooks? | 0:52:31 | 0:52:35 | |
He died in a border skirmish in 1989, during the First Intifada. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:39 | |
Why do we think he's Yasser's dad? | 0:52:39 | 0:52:41 | |
Timing. | 0:52:41 | 0:52:43 | |
Abu Hamas and Anne Gorton were at it nine months before Yasser was born. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:47 | |
Whereas Fred and Anne definitely weren't. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
Initially because Fred was away, and then according to surveillance reports, | 0:52:50 | 0:52:55 | |
because they were occupying separate bedrooms. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
MI5 gave us this, look. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:00 | |
Bloody hell. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:03 | |
Wait for it. | 0:53:03 | 0:53:05 | |
Who'd you think was guest speaker at the rally before the Free Palestine march? | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
-Abu...thing? -Hamas, yeah. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:11 | |
And who do you think flew him in and sponsored his visitor's visa? | 0:53:11 | 0:53:14 | |
-I'm teaching at the moment, so I don't have time for this. -What's the lecture about? | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
Second-wave feminism and the threat of the fallow holocaust. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
-Death to the penis. -Not fathers' rights, then. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:28 | |
-I speak on that frequently, just not today. -I want to check I've got something right. | 0:53:28 | 0:53:32 | |
You think that boys should always live with their fathers, | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
irrespective of any issues around child welfare, domestic violence... | 0:53:35 | 0:53:39 | |
Another tool in the belt of the feminazis. | 0:53:39 | 0:53:41 | |
-Most accusations are false. -You'd know better than me, a serving police officer. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:45 | |
To answer your question, yes, boys should be brought up by their fathers, | 0:53:45 | 0:53:49 | |
to keep them away from the feminist indoctrination of their mothers. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:53 | |
That's why you handed Yasser over to Abu Hamas, is it? For political reasons? | 0:53:53 | 0:53:57 | |
I knew the moment the doctor gave Anne her due date. | 0:54:00 | 0:54:02 | |
Even I can count to nine. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:03 | |
So you just waited until the right moment and handed him over? | 0:54:03 | 0:54:07 | |
I traced Abu Hamas and told him the truth. | 0:54:07 | 0:54:10 | |
I sent him photos until it was time to put things right. | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
It was the right thing to do. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:15 | |
Bringing up another man's child is wrong. | 0:54:15 | 0:54:18 | |
I just didn't love him. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:21 | |
I felt guilty about that at the time, but not any more. | 0:54:21 | 0:54:24 | |
It was the purest political act of my life. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
-Bollocks. -I'm sorry? | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
So you should be. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:30 | |
What you did wasn't the act of a man. | 0:54:30 | 0:54:33 | |
A real man wouldn't have cared. He'd have just been proud to have the privilege of being a father. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:38 | |
Oh, I see. You work under a woman long enough | 0:54:38 | 0:54:41 | |
and you start to think like them. Do you know what you are? | 0:54:41 | 0:54:44 | |
What you did wasn't politics, it was having a pop at your wife. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
A mangina. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:48 | |
It was about putting her through 25 years of grief | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
so that you could feel better about her shagging another bloke. | 0:54:51 | 0:54:55 | |
And if that makes you a man and me a mangina, | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
book me in for a Brazilian. | 0:54:58 | 0:54:59 | |
-Sorry, boss. -No apology necessary. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:05 | |
And where is he now? | 0:55:05 | 0:55:07 | |
Still in Gaza as far as we know. I'm sorry we don't have more. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:11 | |
He's alive, that's all I need. | 0:55:11 | 0:55:14 | |
A chance. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:18 | |
A chance to find him. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:20 | |
-You're going to look for him? -Of course. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:24 | |
Well, be careful, Gaza's not the safest place in the world. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:28 | |
You don't have children, do you? | 0:55:28 | 0:55:30 | |
-No. -Sorry, it wasn't supposed to be an accusation, it's just... | 0:55:30 | 0:55:35 | |
You couldn't possibly understand. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:37 | |
Maybe that's how Fred could do what he did. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:41 | |
-Because he couldn't understand what he was doing to me. -Oh, I think he understood. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:45 | |
-And I think he's spent the last 20 years justifying it to himself and everyone else. -Maybe. | 0:55:45 | 0:55:50 | |
Thank you. | 0:55:54 | 0:55:55 | |
Urgh, not much of a result. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
Well, harassment and perverting the course of justice charges against Vernon and Fred. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:07 | |
Yeah, big deal. Are you sure we can't do Blackledge on something else? | 0:56:07 | 0:56:11 | |
He gave a child to his to his father. It was Abu Hamas who took him out of the country. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:15 | |
And it caused a bit of damage on the way, William Withall. | 0:56:15 | 0:56:18 | |
Aye, and me. Now I know I've been living in a police state. | 0:56:18 | 0:56:21 | |
Oh, for God's sake! I've read your file when we were setting up this team. | 0:56:21 | 0:56:25 | |
-I knew there was a file on me! -Of course there was! | 0:56:25 | 0:56:28 | |
I was right, wasn't I? Esther's radicalism's ruined my career! | 0:56:28 | 0:56:32 | |
I should never have gone to those meetings. | 0:56:32 | 0:56:34 | |
Signing my name on bloody petitions! | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
It said you were too insignificant for surveillance, | 0:56:36 | 0:56:39 | |
and that Esther was essentially harmless. | 0:56:39 | 0:56:41 | |
Happy now? | 0:56:41 | 0:56:43 | |
Right. Thanks. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:49 | |
Harmless? Are you sure they were watching the right woman? | 0:56:53 | 0:56:57 | |
Oh, come on! | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
-Goodnight, Sandra. -Goodnight. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
See you there. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:04 | |
I've read your report. | 0:57:04 | 0:57:06 | |
Sorry it wasn't the result you wanted, sir. | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
What do you mean? | 0:57:08 | 0:57:09 | |
Well, Davies is still at large. I hope you don't think it was a complete waste of resources. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:14 | |
Of course not. Is that what you thought? | 0:57:14 | 0:57:16 | |
-That's not why I counselled you against this case. -Sir? | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
UCOS does extraordinary work. It breaks cases that are unbreakable. | 0:57:18 | 0:57:23 | |
But child abductions? They eat resources and burn out officers. | 0:57:23 | 0:57:26 | |
But you don't feel you can let it go. | 0:57:26 | 0:57:28 | |
It's a missing child, after all. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:30 | |
So you work your overtime and ignore the people at home. | 0:57:30 | 0:57:33 | |
And when you do finally get a result, it's not usually a good one. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
Maybe I wanted to protect four of my most valuable assets from that? | 0:57:37 | 0:57:42 | |
Goodnight. | 0:57:42 | 0:57:43 | |
Goodnight, sir. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:45 | |
Esther! | 0:57:47 | 0:57:50 | |
I've got something for you. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:52 | |
I thought I'd help you save that post office, or anything else for that matter. | 0:58:02 | 0:58:06 | |
If it needs saving, banning or its consciousness raising, I'm your man. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:10 | |
Just like the old days. What do you think? | 0:58:10 | 0:58:13 | |
Oh, Betty! | 0:58:16 | 0:58:17 | |
# It's all right It's OK | 0:58:25 | 0:58:28 | |
# Doesn't really matter if you're old and grey | 0:58:28 | 0:58:31 | |
# It's all right I say it's OK | 0:58:31 | 0:58:33 | |
# Listen to what I say | 0:58:33 | 0:58:37 | |
# It's all right, doing fine | 0:58:37 | 0:58:39 | |
# Doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine | 0:58:39 | 0:58:42 | |
# It's all right I say it's OK | 0:58:42 | 0:58:45 | |
# We're gettin' to the end of the day. # | 0:58:45 | 0:58:47 | |
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