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Thank you. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:16 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:00:16 | 0:00:18 | |
Gerry, what do you want? It's my day off. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:28 | |
Yeah, I know and I'm sorry about that, but I need your help. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:31 | |
-Why, what's happened? -No, no, no - nothing like that, it's just... | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
Listen, I'm giving up cigarettes. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:37 | |
Gerry! Well done! That's fantastic! | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
-And I just wondered whether you'd be my fag buddy? -Your what? | 0:00:40 | 0:00:45 | |
Fag buddy - you know, someone who helps somebody else give up smoking. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
Oh, right, yeah, of course. No, I'd love to help. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
Yeah, but you've got to keep encouraging me, all right? | 0:00:51 | 0:00:54 | |
Make sure I don't waver. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
"Make cigarettes history!". | 0:00:56 | 0:00:57 | |
Absolutely. Good man. Keep it up. | 0:00:57 | 0:01:00 | |
Oh, I will, yeah. Cheers, bye. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
Bye. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:03 | |
You idiot! You should be ashamed of yourself! | 0:01:30 | 0:01:32 | |
# It's all right, it's OK | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
# Doesn't really matter if you're old and grey | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
# It's all right, I say, it's OK | 0:01:42 | 0:01:44 | |
# Listen to what I say | 0:01:44 | 0:01:47 | |
# It's all right, doing fine | 0:01:47 | 0:01:50 | |
# Doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
# It's all right, it's OK | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
# Getting to the end of the day | 0:01:56 | 0:01:57 | |
I thought I was early. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
Strickland's away. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:07 | |
-Anywhere nice? -He left us this, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
with a covering note. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:11 | |
"Dear Sandra, this file arrived on my desk today. It is unusual | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
"in having only recently ceased being an active enquiry, | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
"but knowing of your specific expertise dealing with | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
"this kind of crime in the past, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
"the commissioner is eager for UCOS to be involved not merely | 0:02:25 | 0:02:29 | |
"due to your particular skills, but because of the real danger | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
"that the perpetrator will strike again." | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
-"This kind of crime"? -Rape? | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
Yeah, two of them in 1999. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
Ooh, at the Pyramid Chocolate Factory in Greenford. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
Then after a ten year gap, there was another attack 12 months ago | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
the back room of a shop in Totteridge. Helen Vestry. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
Operation Sapphire investigated that attack and they linked DNA | 0:02:52 | 0:02:56 | |
from it to the rapes back in '99. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:58 | |
MO was exactly the same. | 0:02:58 | 0:02:59 | |
-Any suspects? -No. Both investigations drew a blank. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
What about the MO? | 0:03:02 | 0:03:04 | |
All three were attacked from behind and in total darkness. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:07 | |
They said he wore gloves, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
-but none of them recall seeing anything more of the guy. Oh, and he never spoke. -Is that it? | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
They all said that he smelled strongly of sweat. Thank you. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
This bloke doesn't have anything going for him, does he? | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
-What about where the rapes took place? Any link? -Only the darkness. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
Jean Saunders was raped in the women's changing room at Pyramid | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
just after her shift ended at 6pm. All the lights went out | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
just before she was attacked, and then a week later, Eileen | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
was assaulted on the shop floor of the factory around nine. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
Again, all the lights were turned off. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
-Why didn't they do a mass DNA screening? -They did. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
All the men employed by Pyramid, | 0:03:42 | 0:03:44 | |
plus security, delivery men, contract cleaners, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
but none of their DNA matched that of the rapist's. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
What about last year? The most recent attack. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:53 | |
Helen Vestry was attacked as she was closing up the shop at which she worked. Again, pitch black. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
Long time, isn't it, between attacks? | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
Well, the bloke could have been anywhere - abroad, prison, anything. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
Possibly, but given that most rapes are not reported, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:06 | |
I think there's a good chance he has committed more in between. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
They're all very similar, these women, aren't they? | 0:04:09 | 0:04:12 | |
Blonde, petite, in their twenties. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:14 | |
Physically very easy to subdue. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
Not a coincidence then. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:18 | |
He observes them, singles them out. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:20 | |
For some, the biggest kick is the actual preparation | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
and build-up to the assault, not the attack itself. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:25 | |
That would explain the extreme sweating. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
You know, he gets excited about successfully carrying out | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
a carefully planned operation. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
-Are the victims willing to talk? -Jean Saunders has since died | 0:04:33 | 0:04:36 | |
of cancer, but the other two have agreed to meet. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
You and I'll talk to them - you guys go to the factory. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
Now, Operation Sapphire haven't spoken to Eileen Harrison | 0:04:41 | 0:04:45 | |
or anybody else at Pyramid about this last attack, so probably a good idea not to mention it | 0:04:45 | 0:04:50 | |
and needless to say this is a very sensitive investigation so... | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
For God's sake, look at us - we've handled hundreds of these cases, | 0:04:53 | 0:04:59 | |
and you're telling us we've got to be sensitive! | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
Gerry's given up smoking. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
-What! You?! -Ahhh, that's why you're so ratty. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
-I am not ratty! -What's brought this on all of a sudden? | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
Well, I had to see the doctor and he said at my age | 0:05:11 | 0:05:14 | |
I should have given up by now. So you can't argue, can you, really? | 0:05:14 | 0:05:17 | |
Well, I am delighted, congratulations. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
Helen Vestry? | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
-Sandra Pullman? -Yes, this is my colleague, Jack Halford. -Hello. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
-Thanks for agreeing to see us. -Not at all. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:39 | |
Anything if it helps catch the shit-bag. It's through the back. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
Here. I just came in to close up... | 0:05:45 | 0:05:47 | |
I did that most nights, and next moment the lights went out, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:53 | |
he grabbed me from behind and, well, he did what he did. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
The Operation Sapphire Team said that you didn't hear him threaten you, he didn't speak? | 0:05:58 | 0:06:03 | |
-No. -Did you cry out? | 0:06:03 | 0:06:04 | |
I didn't have time. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:06 | |
Anyway, there was no-one in the shop and... | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
I was scared, unfortunately. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
No, no. Of course you were scared. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:13 | |
So you never saw his face? | 0:06:13 | 0:06:15 | |
No. I would have remembered. I am good with faces. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
It was just too dark to see him. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
Is there anything else you can remember? Anything at all? | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
Yeah...I remember thinking "I hope he doesn't kill me". | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
The feel of his gloves and the damp...the smell...of his sweat. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:37 | |
How long is it since you had a fag? | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
-Four days? -How's it going? | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
Yeah, good, thanks, yeah, yeah. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
With the nicotine deprivation, I mean. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
I'm fine, all right? Just don't keep on about it. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:09 | |
Duncan Miller. Managing director. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
Gerry Standing. Brian Lane. Thanks for your time. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
Oh, it's a pleasure - always willing to help the boys in blue. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
Celine was saying you're here to investigate the, er... | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
-incidents back in '99? -Yes. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
We'd like to see where the attacks took place | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
and talk to any of the employees who were here at the time. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
Sure, well, there's not that many still here, | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
but I'll show you down to the shop-floor - this way. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
I'm afraid the women's changing room has been demolished | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
to make way for a refrigeration storage facility. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
I must say, I'm intrigued to find out | 0:07:44 | 0:07:46 | |
why you've come back after all this time. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
-Well, the case was never closed. -Oh. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:51 | |
Mr Miller, you did take a DNA test with everyone else, didn't you? | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
Yeah - Duncan, please... call me Duncan. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
Yes, yes, I was very relieved. But all the work-force were cleared. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
The whole affair was devastating. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:01 | |
Pyramid - we're not just a company, we're one big happy family. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
So this is where, er... | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
-Eileen Harrison. -This is where Eileen, was er... | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
-It was a terrible affair, terrible. -WOMAN ON SPEAKER: 'This is a call | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
'for Mr Miller. Could Duncan Miller please go to R&D?' | 0:08:18 | 0:08:21 | |
Sorry about this, I'll leave you with Tilly Shaw. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:23 | |
She's the shift supervisor, but at the time she was working on the production line - Tilly! | 0:08:23 | 0:08:28 | |
Could you come here? These gentlemen want a word. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
Excuse me gentlemen, please. Thank you. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
-Hello. -Brian. Brian Lane. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
-Gerry Standing. -Hello. | 0:08:36 | 0:08:38 | |
-Eileen Harrison? -Yeah? -Detective Superintendent Pullman, | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
-this is my colleague Jack Halford. -Right, well, you'd better come in. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
Thank you. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:47 | |
I didn't know there were going to be two of you. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
-Oh. I'm sorry. I... -No, it's just, erm.... | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
No, no, no, it's quite all right... | 0:08:56 | 0:08:57 | |
I understand. If there is somewhere I could wait..? | 0:08:57 | 0:09:01 | |
E, yeah, in the living room. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
Thank you. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:05 | |
-I'm sorry about that. -You don't have to apologise, Eileen. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
-I can call you that? -Yeah. -I don't want you to feel pressurised | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
in any way, cos we're here to help catch the man who attacked you. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
-Is it OK if we go back to the night it happened? -Yeah. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:27 | |
You finished work at seven o'clock? | 0:09:27 | 0:09:30 | |
Well, the shift normally finished at five, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
but we did two hours' overtime, cos we had a rush on. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
And then you went back to the shop floor two hours later? | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
Yeah, I'd left my purse in the changing rooms. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:42 | |
I couldn't find it in my handbag, so I went back for it. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
And, er... | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
that was when... | 0:09:47 | 0:09:49 | |
-And you went back alone? -Yeah... | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
Well, they'd increased security. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
Everyone was being checked in and out the factory. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
I mean, it was more secure than ever | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
and I never thought that it could happen again. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
I never thought that he'd... | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
-It's all right if you want to stop, Eileen. -Nah. -You just have to say. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
No, no... it's OK. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
I want to... | 0:10:15 | 0:10:17 | |
I want to... | 0:10:17 | 0:10:18 | |
I'm sorry. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:22 | |
It's all right, it's OK. It's all right. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
And you worked on the production line? | 0:10:29 | 0:10:31 | |
-Me, Eileen and Jean. -But not any more? -No, thank God. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
I'm the union rep. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
Mind you, the place hasn't changed much since then. Same belt, machinery, everything. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:41 | |
-Till. -Oh, this is Mick, my husband. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
He was a mechanic back then but now he's the chief engineer. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
These men are from UCOS. They've come about what happened to Jean and... | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
Still ain't caught the bloke then? What a surprise(!) You lot couldn't catch a fever in a swamp. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
-Mick! -Can we talk about this somewhere else? | 0:10:54 | 0:10:56 | |
What you doing back here then, eh? Get lost looking for your overtime? | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
We don't get much overtime. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
-We're civilians... -Oh, brilliant. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
You ain't even real coppers? | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
So what's prompted all this then all of a sudden? | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
Back in '99, we had two months of non-stop prodding and poking, | 0:11:09 | 0:11:13 | |
everyone here took a DNA test and then nothing, end of story. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:17 | |
The case has never been closed. It's all part of the reviewing process. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:21 | |
He's done it again, hasn't he? | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
-The rapist. -Look, this doesn't make sense to me. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
Mr Miller said you were all like one big happy family. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:29 | |
He said that, did he?! Joke. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
-Mick... -Well, aren't you? -No, we ain't, since he came. Look, | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
when Miller took over, he cut costs - safety, wages, pension deal. | 0:11:34 | 0:11:39 | |
Anything that wasn't core production was put out to tender, including security. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:43 | |
That's one of the main reasons those rapes happened. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
World and his wife could have walked in here back then. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
Well, no-one mentioned that at the time. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:51 | |
Everyone was frightened about losing their jobs. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
He'd already laid off loads of people who'd been here for years. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
Never mind what Miller says. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
The only thing he gave a toss about was how much the publicity | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
was costing him. Am I right or wrong, Tilly? | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
He did next to nothing. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
Not for Eileen or the others. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
-Others? -I meant Jean. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
Yeah, I better get back before Miller docks my pay and all. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
Me too. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
Look, forgive Mick. It's just that he cares. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
And he's right... Miller doesn't. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
"Others"? | 0:12:26 | 0:12:29 | |
So Eileen Harrison was on her way to the changing room, which was that way. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:34 | |
HE COUGHS | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
That's better. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:39 | |
I never heard or saw nothing till it was too late. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
No movement, voice, nothing. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:52 | |
The lights went off. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
He grabbed me and then um... | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
Afterwards... | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
I was covered in his sweat. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:03 | |
It stank. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
I couldn't move for what seemed like ages. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
And then when I did... | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
he'd gone. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
And you never went back to work? | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
Once. But it was no good. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
And since then I've not really been able to go out the house. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
I find it too difficult. | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
-Cuddly toys, like a child's. -Cheers. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
The only magazines and photos are at least ten years old, | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
-as if her life had just stopped. -Hello. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
-Oh, you're all right, are you?! -Yours are on the bar. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
-How d'you know what I wanted? -I'm psychic. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
-I just asked for alcohol. -I might have wanted a fruit juice. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:43 | |
-Ha! How was Pyramid? -Interesting. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
-Cheers. -You can eat as much chocolate as you like inside the factory, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
but you can't take any out. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
-I meant the investigation, Brian. -Well, Miller, the boss, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
he came on all teeth and smiles, but according to the work-force that's just an act. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:58 | |
All profit and no heart. And there's hardly anyone left from '99. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
-High turnover? -Yeah, apparently. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
Miller didn't talk much. He was too keen to rush off. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
The work-force were more help, especially Mick and Tilly Shaw, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
husband and wife. She was a friend of Eileen Harrison, a shop steward now. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:15 | |
She did say one thing that was odd. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
She, um, she used the word "others" | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
when we were talking about the victims - and I mean apart from Eileen. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
-What, "others" as in plural? -Exactly. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:26 | |
She made out it was a slip of the tongue, | 0:14:26 | 0:14:28 | |
that she just meant Jean, but I'm not so sure. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:30 | |
The victims have anything to say? | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
-Both of them saw next to nothing. -Scenes of crime? | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
Well, the changing room's been pulled down, it's not there any more. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
The production line where Eileen was attacked - that's still going. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
Very busy... loud. Noisy. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:44 | |
Women! | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
Is it the sort of place you'd go back to alone? | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
Why? | 0:14:48 | 0:14:50 | |
Well, Eileen Harrison, two hours after her shift ended, goes back | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
to a place where only one week before a workmate had been raped. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
She went back for her purse. She might have had her wages in it. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:02 | |
There is something a bit odd. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
The place where the attack happened. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
It doesn't look like it's actually en route to the changing room. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
I'll tell you what's really bothering me, the man we're | 0:15:10 | 0:15:12 | |
looking for knew how and where to turn the light switches on and off. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
It had to be someone who knew the inside of that factory. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
Every man who went in and out of Pyramid was DNA tested. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
Someone was missed. They had to have been. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
OK, go back to Pyramid and ask Miller whether there's a | 0:15:24 | 0:15:27 | |
remote possibility that someone could have missed being tested. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
And while we're there we'll have another look | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
-around the shop floor, work out the geography, do it properly. -OK, good. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:36 | |
Jack, check out all the private firms outside of Pyramid that had | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
-their men DNA tested and ask if somebody could have been missed. -What about you? | 0:15:39 | 0:15:43 | |
I'll go and have a word with this Mrs Shaw. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
See if it was a slip of the tongue. Where are you going? | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
Well, I thought I would just pop outside and have a quick... | 0:15:49 | 0:15:51 | |
Oh, no, I don't any more, do I? | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
HE COUGHS | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
Better out than in! | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
SHE KNOCKS | 0:16:03 | 0:16:04 | |
Tilly Shaw? Detective Superintendent Pullman. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
-You spoke with a couple of my colleagues earlier. -Oh, yeah. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
-Is it OK if I have another word? -Er, Mick's at football practice. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
That's OK, it's you I wanted to speak to particularly. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
Thank you. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
Excuse the mess, my husband's a bit of an angling freak. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
You and your husband both worked at Pyramid in 1999 - | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
am I right in thinking that most of the staff were women back then? | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
Still are. Packing on the production line. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
Piece-work. The pay's not brilliant. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
-Must have been very scary for the women at that time? -Terrible. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
Especially after we saw how badly affected Jean and Eileen were. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
Eileen was a mate, yeah? | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
Is she still? | 0:16:48 | 0:16:50 | |
We... | 0:16:50 | 0:16:51 | |
I hardly see her. She's become a bit of a recluse. Not that I blame her. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:56 | |
-Did you ever talk to the other women about what happened? -Of course. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
Talked about nothing else for weeks. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
But nobody had a clue who it might have been? | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
It's just that he obviously had access to the factory | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
and he seems to have picked similar looking victims, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
which suggests that he either knew them or had seen them. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
That's what made it so scary, but... | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
Did anything else unusual happen at that time? | 0:17:16 | 0:17:19 | |
It's just that Brian, my colleague, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:22 | |
told me that you said "others". As in other victims. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:25 | |
Not just Eileen and Jean. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
-That was a mistake. -Right. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
Tilly, we're hunting a serial rapist. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
I don't want to hear from someone else something I should have heard from you. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
There was one girl... | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
Nisha Kumar, | 0:17:40 | 0:17:42 | |
she was a friend of Eileen's... | 0:17:42 | 0:17:44 | |
-she died, a few months later. -Died? | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
Committed suicide. Her mum and dad found her. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
She hanged herself. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
No. Categorically, no. Even the men that were off sick got tested. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
-Can I have another one? -Yeah, sure. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
-Are you sure you won't...? -No, thank you, no. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:05 | |
-We want to have another look at the shop floor. -What, now? There's no-one there. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
Well, that's great, cos we'd like to see it exactly how it was when Eileen Harrison was attacked. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:14 | |
Yeah, it won't take long. We just need to see it in the dark. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
It's very inconvenient. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:18 | |
I thought you said Pyramid was one, big happy family and that you wanted to help? | 0:18:18 | 0:18:24 | |
Every man I had who'd worked there was done. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:32 | |
-You're absolutely sure? -Come on, there was only five, | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
including me, and I never even set foot in the place. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
We were all DNA tested, everybody was cleared and that was that. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:43 | |
It doesn't seem a lot, Mr Close. Four men to clean a whole factory? | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
Oh, in this business you soon figure out the most efficient use of manpower. I run a very tight ship. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:52 | |
You, er, you don't have the Pyramid contract anymore, do you? | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
No. | 0:18:56 | 0:18:57 | |
Maybe it was a bit too tight? | 0:18:57 | 0:18:59 | |
Actually, we fell out over safety. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:01 | |
THEY SPEAK POLISH | 0:19:01 | 0:19:03 | |
What was that, Polish? | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
Aye, I picked a bit up here and there. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
It's easier to find out if somebody's lying to you if you | 0:19:12 | 0:19:15 | |
speak their language and it's easier to get them to do what you want, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
rather than what they want. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
You know what I'm saying? | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
Are we done? | 0:19:23 | 0:19:25 | |
Yes, yes. Thank you. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:28 | |
Sorry I couldn't help you. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
Right! | 0:19:31 | 0:19:32 | |
I should have taken more notice, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:37 | |
seen what was happening to her, how she changed. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
She changed? | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
After the attacks. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
Before, Nisha was always cheerful, lively, funny... | 0:19:43 | 0:19:49 | |
but then... | 0:19:49 | 0:19:50 | |
One day I found her crying. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:55 | |
Then she stopped coming to work for days at a time. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
Nisha and Eileen were always really close, best friends, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
but when Eileen eventually came back to work, it just seemed to make it worse. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
Two days later, Nisha killed herself. | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
So Nisha's death took place after the original investigation ended? | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
Tilly, do you think there's a possibility that Nisha could have been raped? | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
So... What are you two still doing here? | 0:20:26 | 0:20:28 | |
Get out, get out, that should have been finished hours ago. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:33 | |
So the women's changing rooms were that way? | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
-Yeah. -And the exit is this way? There's not another changing room? | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
No. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
Are you sure it's all right for me to keep eating these? | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
Sure, I'm delighted you like them. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
-Very more-ish. -And you say there isn't another ladies' toilet or anything down here? | 0:20:50 | 0:20:55 | |
Uh, no. Are you sure you won't have a... | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
No, thanks, I'm fine. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
HE COUGHS | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
Sorry. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
-Are you all right? -I think I need... | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
-I need... -HIS STOMACH GURGLES | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
-Where's the toilet?! -Oh, it's... | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
COUGHING CONTINUES | 0:21:29 | 0:21:30 | |
HE CLEARS HIS THROAT | 0:21:34 | 0:21:35 | |
Now, he always works in the dark, doesn't he? | 0:21:46 | 0:21:49 | |
Here you go. It's all dark. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
He's creeping about down here. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
She must have been... CLATTERING | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
Oh, you little beauty. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:25 | |
Look at that. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:28 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:22:28 | 0:22:29 | |
Oh, this is your lucky day. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
HE COUGHS | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
Oh! | 0:22:35 | 0:22:36 | |
Lovely. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:00 | |
ALARM RINGS | 0:23:00 | 0:23:02 | |
SECOND ALARM BLARES | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
-Hey, "Nudger"! Pyramid's Nudger! -Nudger! Yes! Of course! | 0:23:34 | 0:23:39 | |
JINGLE: # Everything you want in a bar and a little bit more | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
# Not just chocolate bar a whole lot more! | 0:23:44 | 0:23:50 | |
# Nuts, biscuit, nougat... | 0:23:50 | 0:23:52 | |
-# Fudge, raisins chocolate... -Honeycomb pieces! | 0:23:52 | 0:23:55 | |
# Everything you want in a bar and a little bit more - Nudger! # | 0:23:55 | 0:24:01 | |
-Morning. -Pyramid's Nudger! -Yes, I remember. It was horrible. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:06 | |
-Sickly sweet. -You know what your trouble is? | 0:24:06 | 0:24:09 | |
You like all this boutique, 70%, fair-trade cobblers... | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
It's like tar that stuff. No, I like my chocolate to taste like...sugar! | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
If Nudger was so great, why did they take it off the market? | 0:24:17 | 0:24:21 | |
I recall it was cos they found something in one of them that shouldn't have been there. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
-Like a finger. -Oh, yes. -Anyway, moving swiftly on, | 0:24:25 | 0:24:29 | |
what did you find out at the factory? | 0:24:29 | 0:24:31 | |
Well, Miller was adamant all the men were DNA tested. Nobody was missed. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
Ditto all the other firms who were in and out of the factory. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:38 | |
And the rapist must have known the layout of the factory floor, | 0:24:38 | 0:24:42 | |
because where Eileen was attacked - it's basically a dead end. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
You would only go there if you wanted to open the window or turn the lights on and off. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
Even if she was disorientated by the lights being out, | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
where she was attacked was nowhere near the women's changing room. So it doesn't make sense. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
There's something else. | 0:24:57 | 0:24:59 | |
Tilly Shaw told me that a girl called Nisha Kumar killed herself | 0:24:59 | 0:25:03 | |
just four months after the rapes, and Nisha worked on the same production line as... | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
-The "others". -Yeah. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
-Was she raped? -I don't know. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:11 | |
What I do know is she was Eileen Harrison's best friend, and that | 0:25:11 | 0:25:14 | |
only days after Eileen came back to work, she hanged herself. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:17 | |
-Definitely suicide, was it? -That's what the coroner said. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
I've sent for a copy of the post mortem report. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
In the meantime, Jack, you and I will go and talk to her family - | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
-she has a brother, Arun. -What about us? | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
-You said quite a lot of people had been laid off just before the rapes? -Yeah. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
Why don't you get a list from Miller and see if any of them have ever been in trouble. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:37 | |
Could take forever! | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
We could have got away with this, mate. You keep schtum, all right? | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
-You keep schtum yourself. -All right. -You're the one with the big mouth. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
HE WHISTLES | 0:25:48 | 0:25:49 | |
Arun Kumar? | 0:26:01 | 0:26:03 | |
Detective Superintendent Pullman from the Unsolved Crime and Open Case Squad. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
-This is my colleague Jack Halford. -Yeah? | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
We were wondering if we could have a chat with you about your sister, Nisha? | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
What about Nisha? | 0:26:13 | 0:26:15 | |
-Can we go inside? -You got a warrant? | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
-A warrant? No, no. We just want to... -Then no, you can't come in. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
-I don't let police in my house. -Any particular reason? -Loads. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
Mr Kumar, we're investigating a number of rapes that took place | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
in the factory where your sister worked in 1999 and we understand | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
that sadly she took her own life just four months after the rapes took place... | 0:26:33 | 0:26:37 | |
-And? -Look, whatever dealings, | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
whatever experiences you've had with the police before, they weren't with | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
me, all right? I'm just trying to find the man who raped these women. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
We don't have any details of your mother and father - are they still around? | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
-No. They went back to India. -When? | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
-What's that got to do with you? -Was it anything to do with Nisha? | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
-I don't want to talk any more. -Was your sister raped, Arun? | 0:26:57 | 0:27:00 | |
Don't talk about my sister like that, understand?! | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
No-one talks about her like that. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
I don't want to talk about your sister. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
I want you to talk about her. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:09 | |
She's suffered enough. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
Leave her alone. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
Would you call that a reaction or an overreaction? | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
He was certainly mad about something. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
Cos his sister was raped, or because we knew about it? | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
Hmmm. Look! | 0:27:24 | 0:27:26 | |
Oh, great(!) | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
What is it about policing and leaks to the press? | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
It's absolutely bloody outrageous! | 0:27:35 | 0:27:37 | |
Oh, let's try and be positive, maybe someone will come forward with fresh information. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
I've only ever heard that said on television. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
Well, there is some good news. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
-Go on. -Nisha Kumar's post mortem. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
The pathologist was looking for signs of sexual assault. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:53 | |
There were none. In fact, the report clearly states | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
that Nisha was a virgin. | 0:27:57 | 0:27:58 | |
And you were right. In 2000, Pyramid were prosecuted by Health and Safety for one of their Nudger bars... | 0:27:58 | 0:28:04 | |
And as you said, this chocolate had a piece of human being in it. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
Pyramid blamed the "contamination of imported raisins from Turkey". | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
They were found guilty under health and safety and fined £200,000. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:17 | |
Sales went through the floor and by December they discontinued the line. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:23 | |
No more Nudger. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:24 | |
-The company nearly went bust. -I should bloody well hope so. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
Yeah, but that's not how big business works. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
So, in eight months they'd landed three new contracts | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
with separate supermarket chains, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
all selling own-brand chocolate bars, and guess what was in them? | 0:28:35 | 0:28:39 | |
Nuts, biscuit, nougat. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:40 | |
Fudge, raisin, chocolate. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
Honeycomb pieces. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:44 | |
Exactly, so with in 18 months, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:46 | |
Pyramid had had two rapes, a suicide | 0:28:46 | 0:28:51 | |
and a finger in one of their best brands. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
That's either an awful lot of bad luck, or an awful lot of coincidences. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
And who says there's no such thing as bad publicity? | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
-Whose finger was it? Did they ever find out? -I don't know. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
Some Turkish raisin-farmer. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
But if Nisha wasn't raped, then why did she kill herself? | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
She may not have been raped, but she may have known who the rapist was. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
Well, we got hold of an ex-employees list from Pyramid | 0:29:14 | 0:29:18 | |
and guess who was on it in '98... | 0:29:18 | 0:29:21 | |
while he was a student working in his summer break? | 0:29:22 | 0:29:25 | |
Arun Kumar. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:28 | |
-Is he! -Right, do a PNC check, | 0:29:28 | 0:29:32 | |
see if he's on the DNA database. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
-Are you still not smoking? -No. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
Well done. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:39 | |
Sheer will power! | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
HE COUGHS | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
-You lied to me! -Eileen, I didn't lie to you. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:51 | |
Yeah? Why didn't you tell me?! Making out you were worried. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
-You don't give a toss! -Eileen, listen, just listen to me. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:57 | |
I didn't tell you what happened cos I didn't want to frighten you. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:01 | |
So I had to find out through the papers! | 0:30:01 | 0:30:03 | |
That was nothing to do with us, me or my colleagues, I promise. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
I don't believe it! He can't still be around! It's impossible! | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
Yeah, I've got you, but no arrests? | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
Yeah, that's great, thanks. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
Arun Kumar hasn't got a criminal record | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
-but he has been stop-searched a couple of times. -But no DNA. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
No, not as... PC BEEPS | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
-Bloody hell. -What? | 0:30:36 | 0:30:37 | |
Well, I just typed the words "Pyramid Chocolate factory" and "crime" into the computer. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:43 | |
Look what it's come up with. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:44 | |
"Mick Shaw, a mechanic at the Pyramid Chocolate factory, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
"was found not guilty of assault at Isleworth Crown court." 2003. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
Yeah, I thought he was bit tense. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
Yeah, I'll tell the guv'nor. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
And about Arun. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:01 | |
-Oi, oi, where you going? -Out. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
Are you going to go and see Mick Shaw? | 0:31:06 | 0:31:08 | |
I'm going to go see a man about a coincidence. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:11 | |
PHONE RINGS I don't... | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
Yes, Guv'nor. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:14 | |
I'm sure I can do you some kind of deal, yeah. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:22 | |
Listen, let me call you back, yeah. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
You know this could be construed as harassment. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
-I could be construed as a customer. -Not dressed like that, mate. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
We're not here to argue, Arun. We just want to talk. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
Talk? Yeah, right. About what? | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
I sent for your sister's post-mortem report. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:37 | |
Now what was probably not made clear to you and your parents - | 0:31:37 | 0:31:41 | |
for obvious reasons - but is clear from the report | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
is that at the time of her death, Nisha was still a virgin. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
She wasn't raped. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:49 | |
Which begs the question why did she hang herself? | 0:31:49 | 0:31:52 | |
She was obviously very unhappy about something. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:56 | |
Did you see that she was unhappy? | 0:31:56 | 0:31:58 | |
That's a stupid question, of course. We all did. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:00 | |
Arun, I know you've been stop-searched a couple of times... | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
-Oh, here we go! -..so you're a bit hacked off with the police. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
-Really?! You ain't got a... -Listen. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
I don't know why your sister killed herself but I think you do. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:12 | |
You don't like talking about it because you feel guilty in some way. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
-You're full of shit. -No, no, no, no, I don't think so. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
-I don't need this. -OK, so who do you blame for your sister's death? | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
Did you ever see your sister, Arun? | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
In the factory? That summer when you worked there? | 0:32:28 | 0:32:31 | |
I worked in accounts. We weren't allowed on the shop floor. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
Did you ever meet Eileen Harrison? | 0:32:34 | 0:32:35 | |
PHONE RINGS Who? | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
Come on, she was Nisha's best mate | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
-and one of the women who was raped. -You people are unbelievable! | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
A white woman gets raped and you grab the first Asian guy | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
-who's name crops up. -You really believe that, do you? | 0:32:46 | 0:32:49 | |
Yeah, me and half the guys I grew up with. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
My sister hangs herself | 0:32:52 | 0:32:54 | |
and the only thing you're interested in is the woman she's mates with. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
No, what I'm interested in is why a happy girl who wasn't raped | 0:32:58 | 0:33:01 | |
suddenly decides to commit suicide. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
Nah, what you really get off on is giving guys like me a hard time. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
Maybe it's because she knew who the rapist was | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
and that made her feel really ashamed. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:13 | |
Now...are you sure you never went down on that shop floor? | 0:33:13 | 0:33:18 | |
I loved my sister. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:22 | |
And I never raped anyone. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
Fine. Then you'd be happy to give us a DNA sample. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
-What? -So we can rule you out of our investigation? -You think I'm stupid? | 0:33:28 | 0:33:33 | |
You think I'm going to let my DNA go on your database? | 0:33:33 | 0:33:35 | |
It will be destroyed as soon as it's proved negative. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:38 | |
Yeah, and Father Christmas is Shiva. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
I don't trust ya. And nothing that's ever happened to me makes me want to. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
OK. But I am going to find out who raped those women. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
And I'm going to find out why your sister hanged herself. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
Can I help you? | 0:34:34 | 0:34:36 | |
Yeah, I'm Gerry Standing. UCOS. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:38 | |
-What, another one? -Ah, no, I'm different | 0:34:38 | 0:34:41 | |
because I remembered your name. | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
I thought I'd heard it somewhere before. And I was right. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
-Gi' yersel' a Blue Peter badge. -GERRY LAUGHS | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
See, now you call yourself Close Sanitation | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
but in 2001, Close Cleaning Limited was prosecuted | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
by the Immigration Services for employing illegal immigrants. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
Bangladeshis, mostly. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
Most of whom had fake ID and all of whom were subsequently deported. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:07 | |
All right, two Blue Peter badges. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
So, come on, Alex. Come on, come clean, eh? | 0:35:10 | 0:35:13 | |
Did you have any illegals on your payroll in '99? | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
Course you did | 0:35:19 | 0:35:20 | |
and some of them were working at the factory when the rapes took place. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
I've got no idea what you're on about. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:26 | |
Oh, yes, you have, | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
you didn't say anything, because if they'd been DNA tested | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
along with everybody else | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
-they would have been outed as illegal immigrants. -No. | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
There was no illegals on my books in 1999. OK? | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
Please. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:41 | |
And it is illegal to smoke in these premises. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:43 | |
Thanks for the chat, pal. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
Mr Miller? We're here about Nisha Kumar. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
-Who? -She hanged herself. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
Oh, yeah. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:06 | |
You didn't mention her to my colleagues, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:08 | |
-even though it happened months after the rapes. -Well, yeah, | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
since the start of your investigation, I have been somewhat distracted. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:15 | |
Not least by the harassment from the press. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
I can assure you it wasn't us who spoke to the press. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
We're only here to ask you what you know | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
-about Nisha Kumar's suicide. -The short answer is nothing. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
She worked here. She killed herself. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
Are you saying it's cause and effect? | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
I don't appreciate sarcasm. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:32 | |
What did her family say to you when she died? | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
-I don't know. I've never met 'em. -You must have spoken to them? | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
Er, well, she didn't die here, did she? | 0:36:38 | 0:36:42 | |
So one of your workforce commits suicide | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
and you don't communicate with her nearest and dearest? | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
-Yeah, we may have sent flowers, I don't know. -Very touching. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
What about the guy whose finger was found in a bar of Nudger? | 0:36:51 | 0:36:54 | |
Send him a bunch of flowers when/if he turns up? | 0:36:54 | 0:36:56 | |
What has that got to do with anything?! | 0:36:56 | 0:36:58 | |
You seem to have had a great deal of bad luck | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
in a very short space of time. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:03 | |
Yes, well, "Troubles they come, not in single spies but in battalions." | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
A little bit like the...U...C... | 0:37:07 | 0:37:10 | |
Oh, whatever you're called. Listen, she was a young woman, | 0:37:10 | 0:37:14 | |
-she would have been having boyfriend trouble... -You're an expert, are you? | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
No, no, no, no, I leave that to Human Resources | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
and the... the gossips on the shop-floor. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
Excuse me. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
What? Oh, please, I'm busy! Don't bother me with stuff like that. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:30 | |
Arsehole. Fat lot of good that was. We're getting nowhere. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:34 | |
There's still Arun. There are other ways to get his DNA. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
No! Not yet. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
Oi, what's the idea of this? | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
-Mick's furious. I've got a shop-floor scared to death! -Them and Eileen both. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:45 | |
And as I understand it, Mick gets angry about a whole lot of things. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:49 | |
-What do you mean? What's Eileen been saying? -Eileen? | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
-Nothing? Why? What should she have said? -I just meant she'd be upset, | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
-probably feeling... -Feeling what? How would you know? | 0:37:55 | 0:37:58 | |
-You haven't seen her for ten years. Why not? -She cut herself off. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
No, no. I can understand why Eileen wouldn't want to see anyone. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
That's no reason for you to stop trying to see her. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
-That's what friends are for. -Depends what you mean by friends. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
What's that supposed to mean? | 0:38:11 | 0:38:13 | |
What would make you stop being mates | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
-with a woman you thought was a really good friend? -Eileen and Mick? | 0:38:15 | 0:38:21 | |
When did you find out? | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
Not till later. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
She wouldn't see me. I went round... | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
Mick was there at the front door. She wouldn't let him in. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
It was over by then. The rape saw to that. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
-That's when I realised. -I heard you lot were here again! | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
Shouldn't you be out hunting rapists? | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
We were just talking to your wife, Mr Shaw. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
We've done enough talking to you already. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
Why don't you do your jobs instead of wasting time? | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
I wouldn't call finding out about your affair with Eileen Harrison a waste of time. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:52 | |
But I can understand why you never mentioned it to the original investigation. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
Until now, I couldn't understand | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
why Eileen came back to this factory alone. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:01 | |
Which begs the question - | 0:39:02 | 0:39:04 | |
-where were you on the night she was raped? -Me? | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
-You think it was me? -Mick's not a rapist! | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
No, he only beats up people outside pubs. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
-Not guilty, mate. -Fine. Back to the point. Where were you? | 0:39:13 | 0:39:18 | |
You know where I was. In the pub. With mates. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
Yeah. When you should have been here, waiting for Eileen. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
Only you never turned up, did you? | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
But the rapist did. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:29 | |
My guess is that you felt very guilty, maybe even partly to blame. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
Even though it wasn't your fault. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:34 | |
-Just shut up! -Easy, easy. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
Nisha, did she have a boyfriend? | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
I don't know. I don't think so. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
Eileen would know. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
Thank you. If, er, anything else occurs to you, anything at all, | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
just let me know, yeah? | 0:39:55 | 0:39:57 | |
What's this? A little light supper? | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
-What the hell is that? -Chocolate. Finger. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
I thought we should get it DNA tested. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
You never know, might not be Turkish | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
and we could be looking for a nine-fingered rapist. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
Well, it would narrow the field down a bit. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
-Can I help you? -Liam Braine, forensic scientist. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
-I understand you have a rather interesting digit to analyse. -There you go. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
Oh. That is a particularly fine specimen. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
-Do you know the exact nature of the confectionary it was encased in? -Nudger. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
Ah, Nudger. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
Manufactured by the Pyramid Chocolate Company, 1963 to 2000. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
Chocolate. 30% cocoa solids. Whey, milk, cocoa butter, sugar, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
granulated almond and hazel nuts, shortcake biscuit, nougat, | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
-cream fudge, Turkish raisins... -And honeycomb pieces, yes. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
-How soon can we get the results? -It should be feasible | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
to have a comprehensive set of indices very soon. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:14 | |
Although this is a particularly nutty problem. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
Nougat is made from a combination of sugar, egg-white and nuts. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:21 | |
The term is derived from the Old French "nogat", | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
itself a corruption of the Provencal word "noga", meaning "nut". | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
Too many nuts. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
You can say that again! | 0:41:31 | 0:41:33 | |
-Evening all. -Evening. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
I've just been chatting to Alex Close | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
because I found out that in 2001, | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
he was prosecuted for employing illegal immigrants, so I asked him | 0:41:45 | 0:41:50 | |
-did he employ any in 1999? -And he said no. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
Of course. He wouldn't have owned up to it earlier, either. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
But the 2001 lot were all deported. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
-Bangladesh, mostly. -Of course - the voice! | 0:41:59 | 0:42:02 | |
Why he didn't talk. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
If the rapist is Bangladeshi, it's going to be a dead giveaway. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
Every time he opens his mouth. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:09 | |
If a cleaner raped Helen Vestry, they must have got back into the country again. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
-Well, it's not possible. -Of course it is. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
-They all had fake ID. Illegals come back all the time. -No. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
I mean when they were deported in '01, | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
then they would have had their DNA and their prints taken then. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
We'd have already had a match. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
Unless it was someone who stopped working for Close between '99 and 2001. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
In which case he'll still be running around, | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
-untested for DNA. -Then we're buggered. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:37 | |
-It'll be like looking for a needle in a haystack. -Colin Pitchfork. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
Hm? | 0:42:40 | 0:42:41 | |
Oh, every time I hear that expression, "Needle in a haystack", | 0:42:41 | 0:42:45 | |
I think Haystack - Pitchfork. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
Of course, Colin Pitchfork. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
The first man to be arrested and sentenced for murder by DNA screening. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:53 | |
Absolutely right! | 0:42:53 | 0:42:55 | |
January 1988. | 0:42:55 | 0:42:58 | |
You see, they said that case was hopeless. | 0:42:58 | 0:43:00 | |
But then they brought in DNA, they tested 5,000 men and they got him. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:04 | |
No matter how bad it looks, | 0:43:04 | 0:43:06 | |
-it's never hopeless. -Thank you, Mary Poppins. | 0:43:06 | 0:43:08 | |
Just get us a pint, will you? | 0:43:08 | 0:43:09 | |
I asked at the station. They said you'd be in here. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:14 | |
-Is this where you do most of your work? -The best of it, yeah. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
Arun Kumar. Nisha's brother. | 0:43:18 | 0:43:21 | |
-Fancy a drink? -No, I don't drink. -That's all right, neither does he. | 0:43:21 | 0:43:24 | |
Got something to say? | 0:43:26 | 0:43:27 | |
There you go. | 0:43:29 | 0:43:30 | |
My sister. | 0:43:33 | 0:43:35 | |
You're absolutely sure she wasn't raped? | 0:43:35 | 0:43:37 | |
Positive. | 0:43:37 | 0:43:39 | |
100%? | 0:43:39 | 0:43:41 | |
We thought... | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
We were afraid that she hanged herself because she had been raped. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
What with what we read in the papers. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:53 | |
How was she in the time before she died? | 0:43:53 | 0:43:56 | |
She was crying all the time. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:59 | |
We didn't understand. She'd been so happy. | 0:43:59 | 0:44:02 | |
-Yeah, that's what everyone says about her. -No, no. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
She was even happier than normal, because she'd met someone. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:09 | |
You mean a man? | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
She told my parents he was really nice, | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
a really lovely bloke, you know. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
My parents were quite pleased, I think. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
-Who was he? -I don't know. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:20 | |
But he must have been someone at the factory. | 0:44:22 | 0:44:26 | |
Have you got a name? | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
The man who was seeing her, I mean. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:30 | |
This "really lovely bloke"? | 0:44:30 | 0:44:33 | |
You don't believe me. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:38 | |
OK. Tell me... | 0:44:41 | 0:44:44 | |
where do I go? | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
To take the DNA test? | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
-Morning. -Morning. -It certainly is. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
Why are you so cheerful? | 0:44:53 | 0:44:55 | |
Brainiac has got some good news. | 0:44:55 | 0:44:57 | |
Good. Care to enlighten me? | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
Having re-examined samples from the finger, | 0:44:59 | 0:45:01 | |
it's clear that, while male, it's previous owner is not the rapist. | 0:45:01 | 0:45:05 | |
-By the same token, it is almost certainly not Turkish. -Not? | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
I thought you'd be delighted. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:10 | |
-Turkish delighted. -Anything else? | 0:45:10 | 0:45:14 | |
Having isolated his DNA, cluster sampling models | 0:45:14 | 0:45:16 | |
place his likely point of origin some way to the east, | 0:45:16 | 0:45:19 | |
-on the Indian subcontinent. Probably... -Bangladesh. | 0:45:19 | 0:45:22 | |
Yes, very good. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
But that is not the interesting part. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
-Care to hear the rest? -Knock yourself out. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:28 | |
I've isolated a second DNA sample from a particle of blood | 0:45:28 | 0:45:32 | |
between the fingernail and the epithelium, | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
-belonging to another man. And... -You know his likely point of origin? | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
Better than that. I know who he is. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:41 | |
-What?! -Not the finger owner. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:43 | |
The man from under the fingernail. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:45 | |
-He's in the national DNA database. -Who is he? | 0:45:45 | 0:45:49 | |
So, Mick, can you tell us again about the punch-up you had in 2002? | 0:45:49 | 0:45:53 | |
Outside the Bell pub in Ealing. | 0:45:53 | 0:45:56 | |
What about it? I got off, remember? | 0:45:56 | 0:45:58 | |
Yeah, but you were arrested. So your DNA was taken. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
Yeah. So what? | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
Can you tell me why that same DNA, | 0:46:03 | 0:46:05 | |
yours, was discovered under the nail of a severed finger | 0:46:05 | 0:46:10 | |
that turned up in a bar of Nudger in 2000? | 0:46:10 | 0:46:13 | |
No. No idea. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:14 | |
Perhaps you've some idea about who the finger belonged to? | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
-No. -I don't believe you. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:20 | |
I don't believe this. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:22 | |
Interview suspended at 11.22am. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
Oooh. You've upset her now. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
Eileen, thank you so much for coming in, | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
I know this is very hard for you. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
But let me start by saying that you're free to leave at any time. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
What is it you wanted to know? | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
Mick Shaw. You had an affair with him. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
-Yeah. -He must have been very upset after what happened to you? | 0:46:56 | 0:47:01 | |
-Yeah. -Not least because had he turned up on the night of the attack | 0:47:01 | 0:47:04 | |
like he was supposed to have done, | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
you probably wouldn't have been raped at all. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
Eileen... | 0:47:10 | 0:47:11 | |
there is a sample of Mick's DNA under the nail of the finger | 0:47:11 | 0:47:16 | |
that was found in a Nudger bar a year after you were raped. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:21 | |
-What? -We think that the finger belongs to a man from Bangladesh. | 0:47:21 | 0:47:26 | |
How do you think that might have happened? | 0:47:27 | 0:47:29 | |
I...I don't know. | 0:47:31 | 0:47:33 | |
Do you remember what you said | 0:47:33 | 0:47:35 | |
when you found out the rapist had struck again last year? | 0:47:35 | 0:47:38 | |
You said "I can't believe he's still around. It's impossible." | 0:47:39 | 0:47:44 | |
Now at first, I thought you said that because you were afraid. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:47 | |
But what you really meant was you couldn't believe he was still alive. | 0:47:47 | 0:47:51 | |
I, I want to go now. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
Nisha... You and she were best friends, weren't you? | 0:47:55 | 0:47:58 | |
Why did she kill herself? | 0:48:01 | 0:48:03 | |
I don't know. | 0:48:03 | 0:48:05 | |
She had a boyfriend, didn't she? | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
A boy she really liked. A boy that she'd fallen in love with. | 0:48:07 | 0:48:10 | |
Where is he? | 0:48:13 | 0:48:15 | |
What happened to him, Eileen? | 0:48:17 | 0:48:18 | |
He wasn't very nice. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
-Nice? -This...cleaner. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
He was really creepy. | 0:48:28 | 0:48:31 | |
Nisha thought the sun shone out of his arse, but it didn't. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:35 | |
I told her. I warned her. | 0:48:35 | 0:48:37 | |
Shakib's only after one thing. | 0:48:37 | 0:48:39 | |
-Shakib? -Yeah, um, oh... | 0:48:39 | 0:48:43 | |
I used to see him staring at me, watching me. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:47 | |
I even saw his boss tell him off. | 0:48:47 | 0:48:50 | |
And, and, and then when Jean got raped I knew who it was, | 0:48:50 | 0:48:55 | |
but I didn't say anything. | 0:48:55 | 0:48:58 | |
I should have. And then maybe I wouldn't have been... | 0:48:58 | 0:49:02 | |
Did you tell Nisha that was what had happened? | 0:49:02 | 0:49:05 | |
No. You told Mick. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:09 | |
He said... He said not to worry any more | 0:49:09 | 0:49:12 | |
and that he'd taken care of him. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:13 | |
And what do you think he meant by that? | 0:49:13 | 0:49:16 | |
Mick said everything was going to be OK | 0:49:17 | 0:49:21 | |
and that this guy would, um, never, | 0:49:21 | 0:49:25 | |
never ever rape anyone again. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:27 | |
But he didn't rape anyone, Eileen. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
I am afraid that you got it wrong. | 0:49:30 | 0:49:33 | |
What? What?! | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
Looks a bit edgy to me to me. | 0:49:43 | 0:49:45 | |
-Yeah. -Nervous. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
Ha! He's a smoker. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
He's desperate for a cigarette. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:52 | |
Ah, yes. Of course. | 0:49:52 | 0:49:54 | |
Right now, he'd sell his mum for a smoke. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:58 | |
That's all you had to do in the old days, | 0:49:58 | 0:50:00 | |
before they outlawed it, of course. | 0:50:00 | 0:50:03 | |
Bide your time. Rack up the tension and then light a cigarette. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:07 | |
Blow smoke all over them. | 0:50:07 | 0:50:09 | |
They'd be crawling up the wall | 0:50:09 | 0:50:11 | |
and then you'd just offer them a cigarette and Bob's your uncle. | 0:50:11 | 0:50:15 | |
Those were the days. Remember? | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
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Interview recommenced at 11.34am. Same persons present. | 0:50:33 | 0:50:36 | |
-Mr Shaw, you do still understand you're still under caution? -Yeah. | 0:50:36 | 0:50:40 | |
So, Michael - you don't mind if I call you Michael? | 0:50:40 | 0:50:44 | |
You killed the wrong man. | 0:50:45 | 0:50:46 | |
What you talking about? | 0:50:48 | 0:50:49 | |
The finger's DNA doesn't match that of the man who raped Eileen, | 0:50:49 | 0:50:55 | |
or Jean Saunders, or the woman last year | 0:50:55 | 0:50:59 | |
and DNA doesn't lie. | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
-Shakib. -I don't know what you're going on about. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:04 | |
The contract cleaner. The illegal immigrant. | 0:51:04 | 0:51:07 | |
Nisha's boyfriend. | 0:51:07 | 0:51:08 | |
You see, Eileen told us. How she told you | 0:51:10 | 0:51:13 | |
that he was the man that raped her | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
and how you killed him. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:18 | |
Which is worse, Mick - knowing that you killed the wrong man? | 0:51:18 | 0:51:21 | |
Or knowing you got it wrong cos of her? | 0:51:21 | 0:51:24 | |
Must be very hard to take. | 0:51:24 | 0:51:26 | |
Doing life for a mistake. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:28 | |
No. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:29 | |
No, she... No. No! | 0:51:29 | 0:51:32 | |
No, she said it was Shakib! She said Shakib raped her. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:38 | |
Who needs cigarettes? | 0:51:38 | 0:51:40 | |
-EILEEN: -"Mick said everything was going to be OK | 0:51:41 | 0:51:45 | |
"and that this guy would, um, never, never ever rape anyone again." | 0:51:45 | 0:51:49 | |
He attacked Shakib on the shop-floor | 0:51:51 | 0:51:53 | |
after the production line had closed down for the night. | 0:51:53 | 0:51:56 | |
Shakib fell against the start button of the conveyor belt. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:59 | |
The machine trapped his arm and severed his finger. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:02 | |
During which time, Shaw beat him to death with a wrench. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:04 | |
He then took the body away in a plastic bag in his van, | 0:52:04 | 0:52:08 | |
weighted it down and dumped it in a gravel pit | 0:52:08 | 0:52:10 | |
-where he used to go fishing. -Nice. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
So he must've known that Shakib didn't take the test. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
And when everybody else proved negative after they tested for DNA, | 0:52:16 | 0:52:21 | |
it just convinced him that what Eileen had said was true. | 0:52:21 | 0:52:24 | |
What am I going to tell Strickland? | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
We're supposed to be hunting a rapist | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
and we've ended up solving a murder that no-one knew had happened. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:32 | |
-Mick and Eileen knew. -Shit! | 0:52:32 | 0:52:34 | |
WHIRRING | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
"Really creepy..." | 0:52:37 | 0:52:39 | |
WHIRRING | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
"I even saw his boss tell him off | 0:52:44 | 0:52:46 | |
"and, and, and then when Jean got raped, I..." | 0:52:46 | 0:52:50 | |
"I even saw his boss tell him off." | 0:52:50 | 0:52:53 | |
Alex Close was his boss | 0:52:53 | 0:52:55 | |
and Close told me he'd never set foot inside the factory. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
But Close was tested and his DNA was negative, wasn't it? | 0:52:58 | 0:53:02 | |
Colin Pitchfork. | 0:53:02 | 0:53:03 | |
He didn't do a sample at the start, he got his mate to do it | 0:53:03 | 0:53:06 | |
and they only caught him because his mate was boasting | 0:53:06 | 0:53:09 | |
that Pitchfork paid him £200 to take the test and pretend to be him. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:13 | |
That's right, he did. | 0:53:13 | 0:53:15 | |
And Close told me he could get his employees to do anything | 0:53:15 | 0:53:18 | |
and I believe him, because they're terrified of him. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:20 | |
-What about the bakery? -Well, if I'm right, he must have been there too. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:25 | |
Helen? | 0:53:44 | 0:53:46 | |
Helen, do you recognise him? | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
He's, er, | 0:53:51 | 0:53:52 | |
he's Scottish. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:54 | |
He came in to the shop about, um, | 0:53:54 | 0:53:57 | |
18 months ago. To see about the, er, the cleaning. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:01 | |
-To try and get the cleaning contract. -Right. -He didn't get it. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:04 | |
But, um, the thing was he then came in two or three times, | 0:54:04 | 0:54:09 | |
as a customer. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:10 | |
He used to buy, um... | 0:54:10 | 0:54:13 | |
a pasty. It was, it was always the same thing. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:17 | |
A pasty. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:21 | |
Fond of those, are you? | 0:54:28 | 0:54:30 | |
Aye, my little weakness. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:33 | |
No, I don't think that's your weakness, Mr Close. | 0:54:33 | 0:54:36 | |
-Who's this, your care worker? -Detective Superintendent Pullman. | 0:54:36 | 0:54:40 | |
I'd just like to ask you a few more questions. Final questions. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
You must lead boring lives. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:45 | |
I want to know if you recall a young Bangladeshi man | 0:54:45 | 0:54:48 | |
who worked as a cleaner at the Pyramid Chocolate factory. | 0:54:48 | 0:54:51 | |
-Name of Shakib? -I've told you... | 0:54:51 | 0:54:53 | |
This man, you would remember - he failed to turn up for work one day. | 0:54:53 | 0:54:56 | |
In fact, he disappeared during the night shift at Pyramid. | 0:54:56 | 0:54:59 | |
No. | 0:55:01 | 0:55:03 | |
Right. So would you mind telling me | 0:55:03 | 0:55:06 | |
-where you've been for the last nine years? -Here and there. | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
Where were you after your previous firm went bust? | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
Poland. Most of the time. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:14 | |
Right. So if I were to send a sample of your DNA to the Polish police, | 0:55:14 | 0:55:19 | |
that would be OK with you, would it? | 0:55:19 | 0:55:21 | |
-Sure. -No, I'm sorry, I didn't make myself clear. | 0:55:21 | 0:55:24 | |
-Not the old sample. A new one. -No, I've already given a DNA sample. | 0:55:24 | 0:55:29 | |
Now that's where we have a bit of a problem, Mr Close, | 0:55:29 | 0:55:32 | |
-because we don't think you have. -Er, yes, | 0:55:32 | 0:55:36 | |
I was tested, along with my workmen. | 0:55:36 | 0:55:38 | |
No. In 1999, you sent someone along to pretend to be you. | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
Someone with your ID and they took the test. | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
You see, the rapist we're looking for never spoke, | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
so at first we assumed he was an Asian | 0:55:49 | 0:55:52 | |
and his voice would give him away. | 0:55:52 | 0:55:53 | |
It never occurred to us that he could have been Scots. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
Is this what the Met get up to now, eh? | 0:55:58 | 0:56:01 | |
Is this what you build your cases on? This is a load of shite. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
This man raped two women in 1999 and he's since raped again, Mr Close. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
If you were so happy to help back then by giving a DNA sample, | 0:56:09 | 0:56:13 | |
what possible reason could you have for not doing so now? | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
Now, then, Mr Close, you're sweating. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
-That mine? -Bought with you in mind. -Thank you. | 0:56:48 | 0:56:51 | |
Did you speak to him? Strickland? | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
-It was a bad line. I had to make it brief. -Lucky you. | 0:56:53 | 0:56:56 | |
What'd he say? | 0:56:56 | 0:56:58 | |
-He was surprised. -Bloody cheek. | 0:56:58 | 0:57:00 | |
He asked me, "What cracked the case?" | 0:57:00 | 0:57:02 | |
-I said, "Colin Pitchfork." He said, "Who?" -Unbelievable. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
-That's modern policing for you. -Where's Gerry? | 0:57:06 | 0:57:09 | |
Outside. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:11 | |
Said he wanted a bit of fresh air. | 0:57:11 | 0:57:13 | |
Gerry's never wanted fresh air in his life. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:17 | |
I bloody knew it! | 0:57:27 | 0:57:28 | |
Look, I did try giving up, honestly. | 0:57:31 | 0:57:33 | |
Anyway, I never said I was going to stop smoking. | 0:57:33 | 0:57:37 | |
I said I was going to stop smoking cigarettes. | 0:57:37 | 0:57:40 | |
Your lungs. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:42 | |
Yeah, but I felt so ill, honestly. I couldn't bear it! | 0:57:42 | 0:57:44 | |
Bear it! | 0:57:48 | 0:57:50 | |
# Oh, the end of me old cigar Tra-la tra-la tra-la... | 0:57:53 | 0:57:57 | |
-BOTH: -# Everybody knows me by the end of me old cigar. # | 0:57:57 | 0:58:00 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:58:00 | 0:58:02 | |
# It's all right, it's OK | 0:58:02 | 0:58:04 | |
# Doesn't really matter if you're old and grey | 0:58:04 | 0:58:07 | |
# It's all right, I say, it's OK | 0:58:07 | 0:58:10 | |
# Listen to what I say | 0:58:10 | 0:58:12 | |
# It's all right, doing fine | 0:58:13 | 0:58:15 | |
# Doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine | 0:58:15 | 0:58:18 | |
# It's all right, I say, it's OK | 0:58:18 | 0:58:21 | |
# You're getting to the end of the day. # | 0:58:21 | 0:58:23 | |
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