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# It's all right, it's OK | 0:00:06 | 0:00:08 | |
# Listen to what I say | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
# It's all right, doing fine | 0:00:11 | 0:00:13 | |
# Doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
# It's all right, it's OK | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
# We're getting to the end of the day. # | 0:00:19 | 0:00:21 | |
-Oh! -I thought you were the golfer? -So did I. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:28 | |
-Go on, then. -OK. -A really difficult green to read. | 0:00:29 | 0:00:33 | |
I know. Don't you worry. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:34 | |
-Here we go. -Morning. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:36 | |
-Oh, morning, sir. -What are you two doing? | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
Final hole at the Open. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:39 | |
-Where's Brian? -Oh, Esther rang in. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
-She said he's got very bad flu, apparently. -Right. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
-Glasgow have been in touch. -Oh? | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
-They're setting up their own cold case review section. -Like this one? | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
I doubt it will ever be quite like this one, no. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
They're asking if Mr McAndrew would return | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
-to his native city, temporarily. -Nice one. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:56 | |
Along with a more experienced UCOS officer to help them | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
with their formative process. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
-You're not talking about me? -Well, who else is it going to be? | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
-Well, how long is it? -About seven days or so, apparently. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:07 | |
A week! In Glasgow? Well, I've got to clear this with Sandra. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
It's already been cleared with DCI Pullman and myself. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:13 | |
Your contact will be a DCI MacDougall. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
You're expected tomorrow morning at nine. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
-Tomorrow? -Nine? | 0:01:19 | 0:01:20 | |
-That's a seven-hour drive, sir. -Yeah, well, don't be late. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
Well, we're not taking my car. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:25 | |
You're damn right. We're not driving to Glasgow in that bone shaker. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
A week of deep-fried pizza, Irn Bru and haggis. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
I can't bleeding wait. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:33 | |
-You got your passport? -Ha ha ha(!) | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
Have you actually ever been to Scotland? | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
Once. 1973. England 5, Scotland 0. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:49 | |
-Can't remember the rest. -Why not? -I was pissed. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
Anyway, what I don't get is why they're dragging us | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
up here to set up a Scottish UCOS. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
I reckon there is more to this than meets the eye. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
Do you, now? | 0:02:03 | 0:02:04 | |
Home sweet home. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:18 | |
-I can't be arsed with that drive any more. -Blimey! | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
This is smashing, isn't it? | 0:02:27 | 0:02:28 | |
Yeah. Come and have a drink. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
-Malt? -Anything large. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:34 | |
This is fantastic, isn't it? | 0:02:37 | 0:02:39 | |
Do you know how much this would cost you in the Smoke? | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
Yeah, tell me about it. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
-Ah, the lovely Charley. -Yeah. -Am I going to get to meet her? | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
If you behave yourself. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:49 | |
I should be seeing her myself tonight, but she's on a course. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
-Cheers. But you live together, yeah? -No, she does her own thing. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:57 | |
I go to her place, she comes to mine. It's cool. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
Excellent. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:03 | |
-Cor, that's nice. -Mmm. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
That is good. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
Well, I don't know about you, but I'm knackered, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:09 | |
and you did all the driving. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:10 | |
-Yeah, come on, I'll show you your room. -Cheers. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
Charley's been in and made the bed and everything. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:16 | |
Smashing. | 0:03:16 | 0:03:17 | |
Oh, hey, have a look at this. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
-If you fancy a change of mood. -Good God! | 0:03:21 | 0:03:25 | |
Listen, I didn't have that put in, it was here when I bought the place. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
-Are you sure? -Yeah, yeah, promise. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
OK, Gerry, sleep well. I'll wake you up at seven in the morning, OK? | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
-Cheers, mate. -Night-night. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:35 | |
-Oh. -What a state! -Oh, no. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
-Come on, there's porridge on the go. -Porridge? | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
Or there's smoked salmon, scrambled eggs, waffles, | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
blueberry muffins, toasted brioche, coffee, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:53 | |
-orange juice - that kind of stuff. -All right, all right. -Let's boogie! | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
Boogie? My legs have gone. | 0:03:58 | 0:03:59 | |
-Hi. DCI Fiona MacDougall. -Steve McAndrew. -Gerry Standing. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:19 | |
-Thanks for coming up at such short notice. -Not at all. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
I have to say, I'm a huge fan of what you guys do. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
-Everyone's very excited. -Glad we can be of help. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:28 | |
I'm really looking forward to it. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
There are still one or two doubters but I'm sure after your talk, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
Gerry, they'll be total converts. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
Come again? | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
The history of UCOS in the Met? | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
I've managed to get most of CID free this morning. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:42 | |
Is it a PowerPoint presentation | 0:04:42 | 0:04:44 | |
or do you prefer just to extemporise? | 0:04:44 | 0:04:46 | |
You, em... | 0:04:48 | 0:04:50 | |
..you rationalise the nature of the crime, you and | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
your colleagues - it's a team. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:58 | |
And utilising the technology available to us. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
And...you must...you can't anymore ignore the technology. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
You know, DNA profiling, you've now | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
-got the forces linked by HOLMES 2... -Celtic 3. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
Actually... | 0:05:21 | 0:05:22 | |
..you can have all the forensic | 0:05:23 | 0:05:25 | |
techno-gizmo-trickery in the world, but if you're just some clever, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
smart-arse cop who doesn't give a toss - then it's pointless. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
Are you good enough? | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
Because without heart, care, good old-fashioned know-how... | 0:05:39 | 0:05:43 | |
..experience and intuition... | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
you're no kind of cop anyway. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:49 | |
And I'll tell you something else... | 0:05:56 | 0:05:57 | |
Cheers. Thanks a lot. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
-Thank you. -Thanks. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:02 | |
Thank you. | 0:06:03 | 0:06:05 | |
That was just what I wanted to hear and what a lot of them needed to. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:08 | |
I'm impressed. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:09 | |
Me too. I didn't think he could even spell extemporise. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
Listen, this is really embarrassing but there's been a bit of a mix-up. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:18 | |
Originally we'd scheduled a selection | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
process for Glasgow UCOS starting today. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
The idea being that you would help interview the applicants - | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
but it's now been postponed, I'm afraid. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:29 | |
Until when? | 0:06:29 | 0:06:30 | |
Next week. Wednesday. I know. I can only apologise. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
No, no, no. We were told seven days. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
Yes. I realise that. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
Without the personnel, Gerry and I can't do anything for you up here. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
Look, we're not officially up and running, but... | 0:06:45 | 0:06:47 | |
..there is something. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:50 | |
It's come out of a long-running review process. An open case. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:55 | |
But it's rather awkward. It's a murder from a long time ago. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:58 | |
I was here a long time ago. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
James Soutar? Bookmaker? | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
He was beaten to death near the bus station. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
1993. No clues or suspects. Weapon never found. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:09 | |
So why's it awkward? | 0:07:10 | 0:07:11 | |
Well, some time ago a decision was made to re-examine all | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
serious crime investigations led by CID officers who were later | 0:07:15 | 0:07:20 | |
found or believed to have been corrupt. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:24 | |
It's very delicate. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:25 | |
This is good. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:28 | |
Very good. Murder of a bookie? I like a bet. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:33 | |
At the same time that Steve was still on the force. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
Then up the ante with a bit of mystery? | 0:07:36 | 0:07:38 | |
When did you work all this out? | 0:07:38 | 0:07:40 | |
-I'm sorry? -This is the real reason we're here. -No. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
Course it is. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
You wangled us up to Glasgow to work on this awkward case on purpose. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:49 | |
Then if it all goes tits-up her new team doesn't lose any cred, | 0:07:49 | 0:07:53 | |
-and you come out of it whiter than white. -No. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
The officer who led the original investigation was never | 0:07:55 | 0:07:58 | |
officially charged. | 0:07:58 | 0:07:59 | |
That's why any investigation now has to be unofficial and very hush-hush. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:04 | |
You'll have to do better than that. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:05 | |
OK. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
How about I want you to work this case | 0:08:09 | 0:08:11 | |
because the investigation was led by Frank McNair. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:14 | |
Where's the file? | 0:08:16 | 0:08:17 | |
McNair was more interested in Soutar's sexual proclivities. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:22 | |
Because? | 0:08:22 | 0:08:23 | |
Where he was murdered - the bus station - it's a pick-up area. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
Soutar was single. No kids. Cue lots of stuff about gay-bashing. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:32 | |
Or a row with a prostitute over money that went terminal. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
The money, what happened to it? Did he leave a will? | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
£3,000,000. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
Which mostly went to various children's charities. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:42 | |
You said mostly. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
He also left fifteen grand to a 16-year-old girl in care. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
Catherine Sinclair. No relation. She'd never even heard of him. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
You know McNair, don't you. What's the deal? | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
He shagged my wife. Ex-wife. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
I punched him out. Got suspended for two months. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
In the mean time, Tricia took off and took Stewart with her. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
Stewart's my son. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:08 | |
She got custody. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:10 | |
-Where are they now? -I don't know. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
I haven't seen either of them in nine years. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
-Where are you actually taking us? -Where do you think? | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
No, no, no! Listen, I told you this was all dodgy. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:21 | |
Now, all you can see is McNair. All I see is MacDougall. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
Now, if I'm right about her, she wants UCOS to fail. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
No. She wants us to fail. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:30 | |
I mean you have no idea about the amount of crap UCOS | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
got in the early days. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:36 | |
I mean at first everyone said, "Oh, yeah, what a great idea." | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
But then they realised we were working just a bit too well. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
We were showing up ex-coppers for what they actually were - | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
slovenly, disinterested and in some cases, downright bent. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
The best thing we can do is prove the naysayers wrong. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
-Naysayers? -Solve the case. And do that by starting with McNair. -No. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:56 | |
Listen, if I'm going to be forced to stay in this | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
place for another seven bleeding days, I'm not going to waste my time | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
watching you make a prat of yourself. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
We do this by the book. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:05 | |
What you laughing at? | 0:10:08 | 0:10:09 | |
You sound just like Sandra. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:12 | |
Blimey. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
-So who's this bloke we've come to see? -Ex-Procurator Fiscal. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
Why do you Jocks have such dopey names for things? | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
Because Scotland is a nation with its own unique identity and a 2,000 year-history | 0:10:35 | 0:10:40 | |
of separate laws, customs and education. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
Or we just don't want you English tossers to know what we're | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
talking about. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:46 | |
Mr Ogilvy? You have some visitors. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
Mr Ogilvy? Colin Ogilvy? I'm Steve McAndrew. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
This is Gerry Standing. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
We're working for Glasgow CID on an unsolved murder from 19 years ago. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
Really? | 0:10:59 | 0:11:00 | |
A former bookie named James Soutar. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
You were Procurator Fiscal at the time. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
Soutar? | 0:11:05 | 0:11:06 | |
Was he from Stirling? | 0:11:09 | 0:11:10 | |
No, no, no. Glasgow. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:12 | |
It was a Glaswegian bookie. He gave a lot of money to charity. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
Excellent. That is good of him. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
The officer in charge was a DI called Frank McNair. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
Do you remember him discussing the case with you? | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
Bookmaker? | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
Have I won something? | 0:11:27 | 0:11:29 | |
No. No you haven't, I'm afraid. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
No, no, I don't think I could have done. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
I don't bet. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:39 | |
Right, well, thanks for your time, Mr Ogilvy, you've been most helpful. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:47 | |
Deep-fried pizza? | 0:11:53 | 0:11:54 | |
I don't think so. | 0:11:55 | 0:11:56 | |
-Thank you. -Fabulous. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
Anna? Make sure these flowers don't | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
get in the way of the bride and groom. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:06 | |
Guests need to see them. Yeah? | 0:12:06 | 0:12:07 | |
Catherine Morton? Catherine Sinclair as was? | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
Not for a long time. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
I'm Steve McAndrew - this is Gerry Standing. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
We're re-investigating the murder of James Soutar. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
Are you all right? | 0:12:21 | 0:12:22 | |
My God! Yes, yes, I will be in a minute. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
-Soutar? -Yes. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:30 | |
The money from Soutar? | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
-It completely changed my life. -How exactly? | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
I was heading the wrong way. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:43 | |
Then someone somewhere finds something worthwhile in me. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:48 | |
It totally changed the way I thought about myself. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
I felt I had to justify what he left me - not waste it. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
And it led to all this? | 0:12:55 | 0:12:56 | |
It was a long process. I started working on the markets, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
then I ran a couple of restaurants for guys. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
I managed to save enough money so I could get my own place. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
I seemed to have the knack of knowing what | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
and where the right place was. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
So... | 0:13:11 | 0:13:12 | |
-I was, still am, lucky. -Nah. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
Sounds like good old-fashioned hard work to me. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:18 | |
-You never met Soutar? -Never. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
-Not related in any way? -No. My dad ran off when I was two. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
Soutar couldn't be your dad? | 0:13:24 | 0:13:25 | |
Not unless his middle name was Luigi. My dad was from Naples. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
You've no idea why he left you that money? | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
No. I tried. Even hired a PI. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
Cathy, there's a phone call for you. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
Look, I'm sorry. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:37 | |
All I know is that if he hadn't I wouldn't be here now. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
I owe him everything. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:43 | |
-Well, thanks for your time. -OK. Thanks. -Thanks very much. -OK. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:49 | |
-What do you think? -Well, she seemed straight to me. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
But why'd he leave her that money? | 0:13:55 | 0:13:57 | |
Well, Soutar was bought up in care, wasn't he? | 0:13:57 | 0:14:01 | |
Maybe he wanted to find someone and make it personal. I mean, | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
if you think about it, his and her journey are the same. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
Orphan. Care. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:10 | |
Work your way up and then make a big success of it all. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
She had a fifteen grand start on him. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
Well, she hasn't made a bad deal of it, has she? | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
OK, who's next? | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
McNair. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
Yeah, all right. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
-So McNair is secretary of this golf club, eh? -Yup. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:31 | |
Cushy little number. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:33 | |
-Hi, Gerry Standing. -McNair, Frank. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
-And Steve McAndrew you know. -Yeah, we're working for Glasgow CID. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
-Helping set-up an Unsolved Crime unit. -Uh-huh. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
The result of that is we're re-investigating | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
the death of James Soutar back in 1993. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
You mean murder. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
And as you led the murder team, do you mind | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
-if we ask a few questions about the case? -Be my guest. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
You said the most likely motive was sexual. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
How did you come to that? | 0:15:19 | 0:15:21 | |
If you've read the case file you know why. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
-You have read the file? -It was a long time ago. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:26 | |
Just wondered if you had any fresh thoughts on the case, that's all. | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
I'm not the kind of guy who dwells on things that happened in the past. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
I thought sexual because of where he died. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
It pointed to a particular type of individual. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
The sort who doesn't have anyone. Loved ones, family, friends. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
Pretty sad. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:44 | |
What about Cathy Sinclair? The girl he left a load of money to. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:50 | |
Nothing. I reckoned he pulled her name out of a lucky-bag. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
So why are you looking into this now? Seems odd. | 0:15:55 | 0:16:00 | |
We've heard rumours that Soutar had special clients. High rollers. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
Important people who... | 0:16:04 | 0:16:06 | |
Cut the crap. You're not interested in Soutar. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
Only reason you're here is so he can find out where his wife is. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
-Guess what? I don't know. -You don't know...? -Thank you. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:15 | |
Thank you. We'll be in touch. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:18 | |
I could bloody kill him. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
We spooked him. That's why he threw that grenade at you. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
As soon as I mentioned bets and special clients, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
he went all shaky, that's why he mentioned your wife. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:32 | |
Do you mind if we just call it a day, Gerry? | 0:16:32 | 0:16:34 | |
-No, no. I could murder a pint. -No, actually, it's just | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
Charley's back and I haven't seen her in over a month. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
-Hear, hear. Good boy. You rock on. -Look, I'll drop you in town. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
Terrific. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
-Will you be all right on your own? -Course I will. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:47 | |
-So what about London? Any joy? -No. Nothing. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
I tried different organisations and places, but... | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
I think she will have changed her name, kept on the move, you know? | 0:17:44 | 0:17:48 | |
You know it's got nothing to do with her. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:51 | |
When I think about her now I have absolutely no feelings. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:54 | |
Steve, I know. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
I understand. | 0:17:58 | 0:17:59 | |
He's your son. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:02 | |
PHONE VIBRATES | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
Gerry. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:06 | |
He's been arrested. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:10 | |
I was not procuring! I was checking the crime scene! | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
I mean, I was talking to prostitutes, yeah, but only about the case. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
Of course you were. Hi, darling. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
-Gerry, this is Charley. Charley, Gerry. -Hiya. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
No wonder he wouldn't let me meet you. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
I was beginning to wonder. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:30 | |
Look, I'm terribly sorry if I ruined your evening. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:32 | |
Oh, no, no, no. Come on, I'll drive us back. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:34 | |
All I'm saying is, why is McNair so keen to push the gay angle? | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
Yet so dismissive of the money angle? | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
Thanks, darling. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:44 | |
Charley, I'm sorry to talk shop all the time. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
-I must bore you to death. -It's OK. I'm used to it. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
Charley's in forensics. It's how we met - over a cadaver. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
Liver at first sight, eh, darling? | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
Talking of which, how was your dinner? | 0:18:56 | 0:18:58 | |
We didn't get that far. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:00 | |
Oh, I'm really sorry. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
It's all right. No need to apologise. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:06 | |
You know while I was in the cell all I kept thinking was, "Why would | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
"anyone give Cathy Sinclair all that money? | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
-"Someone they didn't even know." -There's something about that... | 0:19:14 | 0:19:17 | |
-Listen. -What? | 0:19:17 | 0:19:18 | |
It's obvious you need to talk. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
I need to be up early for work. I'll just leave you to it. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
-All right, darling. Sorry, Charley. -It's all right. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
-Tomorrow, OK? -Yeah. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:30 | |
-Speak to you in the morning. -Nice to meet you, Gerry. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
And you too, Charley. Sorry. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:35 | |
A whole month. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
Thanks. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
I'll get the whisky. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:46 | |
Oh. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
Congratulations, you made it into the bed this time. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:53 | |
Where we off to? | 0:19:55 | 0:19:57 | |
See Helen Wray - Head of Social Services. | 0:19:57 | 0:19:59 | |
-Gerry? -Where you going? -On the underground. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:04 | |
The underground? | 0:20:04 | 0:20:05 | |
You didn't know Glasgow has an underground? | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
I was surprised by the electric lights. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:10 | |
-James Soutar? -Yeah, he was a bookmaker. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
He left half a million pounds to the city council's care homes. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
I must admit, I'd have thought I'd remember that. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
1993. He was reasonably well-known. | 0:20:21 | 0:20:23 | |
Well, I don't bet. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:25 | |
My father did and it put me off for ever. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:27 | |
To be honest, I have a vague memory of him. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:31 | |
OK, do you remember Cathy Sinclair? | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
She was brought up in care | 0:20:34 | 0:20:35 | |
-and Soutar left her £15,000. -Really? | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
No? | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
You were Head of Child Welfare at the time. I thought you might | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
remember a girl in care who'd been left a small fortune. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
My responsibilities didn't extend to care homes as such. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
Hang on - isn't this Cathy Morton who now runs the restaurants? | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
Yeah, but she was born Cathy Sinclair. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
Yes. I do remember. The money! 15,000? | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
That was extraordinary. Very unusual. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
Can you think of any reason someone like Soutar would take | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
an interest in a girl like this he had no relationship to? | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
All I can think is that it was this man's way of repaying his | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
gratitude to the care system that helped him. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
Helen, do you think we could have a look at Catherine Sinclair | 0:21:22 | 0:21:24 | |
and James Soutar's care records? | 0:21:24 | 0:21:26 | |
They are confidential. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
I appreciate that. But this is a murder enquiry. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
Yes, of course. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:34 | |
As long as you don't mind one of my people being there? | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
According to this, Cathy Sinclair was a right handful. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
Drink, drugs, under-age sex. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:45 | |
Half the teenage population? Ah, here we are! | 0:21:45 | 0:21:49 | |
James Alistair Soutar. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:51 | |
Born Paisley, September 1939. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
Both parents killed in the Clydebank bombing raid. No other relatives. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:02 | |
Went into care in 1941. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
Left care at 16. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
That's it. | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
That's it here. Nothing. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
Yeah, same here. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:16 | |
Bugger it. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
Well, that wasn't much help, was it? | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
Including Miss Helen Wray. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
I can't help thinking it's something to do with Soutar being in care, | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
you know? | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
Gerry, you haven't said a word since we left that place. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
What's up? | 0:22:30 | 0:22:31 | |
Don't make it obvious, but over my left shoulder... | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
BMW? Tinted windows? | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
Yep, I saw it yesterday. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:38 | |
-You got a number? -No. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
-Someone's already too interested in what we're doing. -McNair? | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
PHONE RINGS Don't know. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:47 | |
Listen, I think we should split up. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
At least then one of us won't have him up our jacksie. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
Roy Fraser. My old DCC. I let him know we were coming up. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:56 | |
He was senior detective at the time, I thought he'd have a view. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:58 | |
Plus, he's a top guy. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:00 | |
I thought you said all DCCs were bastards? | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
Roy's the exception that proves the rule. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
-Right, I'll go and see MacDougall. -Thought you didn't trust her? | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
I don't - that's why I want to keep her onside. | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
I'll see you later. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:13 | |
KNOCK ON DOOR | 0:23:21 | 0:23:22 | |
Hello, Gerry. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:25 | |
I heard you got into a spot of bother last night. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
You brought us up here to make sure we failed. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
To prove UCOS doesn't work. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
-Don't be ridiculous. -Then why are we being followed? | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
Gerry, this case has the highest priority. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:39 | |
No-one, wants a Glasgow UCOS to fail, least of all me. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:43 | |
If you're being followed, | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
well, somebody's not happy about what you're doing. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
Which means you're on the ball. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:51 | |
So what have you got? | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
Nothing. So far. But it's early days. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
I find that hard to believe. | 0:23:57 | 0:23:59 | |
Yeah, well, you're new to the job. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:01 | |
What's all this? | 0:24:02 | 0:24:03 | |
Local papers from around the time of the murder. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:05 | |
-I'm just trying to see if anything... -Stacks up? | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
Very droll. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
Those I've done. Those I haven't. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
And seeing as I'm new to the job, I'm very busy. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:22 | |
Thanks very much. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
The original investigation was headed up by Frank McNair. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
-McNair? -Yeah. Bent copper, jumped before he was pushed. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:34 | |
Oh, McNair! Aye, bent is right. He was one big bad apple. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:39 | |
How far back? As far as '93? | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
McNair was into money, but covering up a murder? | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
Or at least making sure an investigation went nowhere? | 0:24:44 | 0:24:48 | |
That's a much bigger deal. | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
Unless there was a lot of cash in it for him, I can't see it. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
What if he was paid to make sure there was no result? | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
It's possible. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:57 | |
But that's a hell of a risk - not least to your pension. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
Gerry? Is Steve not with you? | 0:25:03 | 0:25:06 | |
No. I need to talk to you. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
Steve and I were at Social Services. | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
They let us look through the records archive. I found this. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:18 | |
Bunch of kids on a day out. Looks like the zoo to me. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:24 | |
Last night, when Steve and I were talking about Cathy Sinclair, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
you didn't say a word. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:29 | |
But there you are and there she is. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:33 | |
You knew her. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:36 | |
No. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
But you are on the same trip together. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
There were a lot of us. From three or four places. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
Places? | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
Were you bought up in care? | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
Steve doesn't know, does he? You haven't told him. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:56 | |
What? That when I went into care...I did lots of things | 0:25:56 | 0:26:01 | |
that I'm ashamed about? | 0:26:01 | 0:26:02 | |
No - I haven't told him. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:04 | |
When I met Steve, he was still reeling from his wife | 0:26:06 | 0:26:10 | |
and son leaving. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:11 | |
There I am, with a man who... | 0:26:12 | 0:26:13 | |
A really decent guy. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:16 | |
I know one day I have to tell him the truth. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:21 | |
But not yet. Do you understand? | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
Yeah. Sort of. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:27 | |
Gerry? I'm asking you not to say anything. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
Steve is the best thing that's ever happened to me. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
Yeah, OK. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
Woah. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:42 | |
"What prompted the successful, retired bachelor to visit | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
"this notorious pick-up spot?" Blah-blah-blah. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
"Hints at a secret, dark other life." | 0:26:50 | 0:26:53 | |
So we've got sex? A brutal murder? | 0:26:53 | 0:26:55 | |
And a victim rolling in money - and they give it a single column? | 0:26:55 | 0:26:58 | |
Yeah, it's a hard town. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
Yeah, but in the next few days it's hardly even mentioned at all. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:03 | |
Here. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:04 | |
What am I looking at? | 0:27:06 | 0:27:08 | |
"Fourth girl disappears from council care home." Shit. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
Four in the two months leading up to the day of Soutar's death. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
And it's hidden on page 17. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
And it's a bit weird that Helen Wray didn't mention any of this. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
It explains why McNair never bought it up. I wonder | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
if Soutar knew about any of these girls? | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
Maybe Soutar was what happened to the girls? | 0:27:28 | 0:27:31 | |
Four disappear before he dies and then after he dies, | 0:27:32 | 0:27:35 | |
there's not one report of anyone going missing and believe me, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
I've been through all of these. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
Maybe somebody found out about Soutar, and killed him to stop him? | 0:27:40 | 0:27:44 | |
Well, either way I think we need to go and talk to Helen Wray again. | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
There are too many unanswered questions. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
Yeah. Her and McNair. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:51 | |
I wonder if Cathy Sinclair knew any of these girls? | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
You said you fancied dinner there and you owe me | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
-big time for last night. -Fair enough. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
I'll give Charley a call. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
-Charley? -What? You think you're just paying for the two of us? Dream on. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
So now we have these four girls thrown into the mix. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:09 | |
All around 16 at the time. All in care. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:11 | |
Sounds horrible. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
Have you told MacDougall? | 0:28:14 | 0:28:15 | |
Not yet. We're not sure we can trust her. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:17 | |
That's why we're here. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:18 | |
To see if Catherine Sinclair knows any of the missing girls. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
-This is Cathy Sinclair's restaurant? -Yeah. The whole shebang. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
Good evening! How are you? | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
-Brilliant, thank you. And yourself? -Wonderful. How was your meal? | 0:28:29 | 0:28:34 | |
Outstanding. And I'm not easily pleased. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
Oh, sorry - this is my partner, Charley. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
-Charley, this is Cathy Sinclair. -Hello. -Hi. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
-So there's no more news about...? -Sort of. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
We discovered that in the months leading up to Soutar's death, | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
several girls disappeared from care homes in the city. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
-Do you think this is connected? To Soutar? -We don't know. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
But after Soutar died, no-one else did go missing. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
-You think it was him? -That's what we want to find out. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:01 | |
-It was a long time ago. -VOICE FROM BEHIND: Cathy? | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
Look, sorry, would you excuse me? I must make sure everything's... | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
-Of course. It was lovely. -Thank you. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:11 | |
Right, well, I'm going to get this. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
You give me your keys, I'll make my own way back. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
You two have a nice evening together, all right? | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
-Cheers, Gerry, thanks a lot. -Bye. -See you. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
Oh! | 0:29:57 | 0:29:58 | |
Oh, shit! | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
GERRY GROANS | 0:30:24 | 0:30:25 | |
BOTTLES CLINK RUSTLING | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
Oh. What are you doing here? | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
What happened to you? | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
Walked into a bar - an iron bar. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
Was it the same people who did this? | 0:31:25 | 0:31:27 | |
I hope not. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:28 | |
I'd hate to think there were two lots after your old man and me. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
This is scary. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:34 | |
Listen, Charley, I'm really sorry about last night. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
I promise you I didn't tell Steve anything. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
And, luckily, Cathy didn't recognise you. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
Last night, talking about those girls going missing - | 0:31:42 | 0:31:45 | |
so much stuff came back. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:47 | |
When I said I got in trouble as a teenager... | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
that was me putting it mildly. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
I was stealing, shoplifting, doing drugs. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
Same as Cathy? | 0:31:56 | 0:31:57 | |
Yeah, but I got caught. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
But there was a care worker that said that there could be a way out. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
If I was smart. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
She said she knew people... | 0:32:05 | 0:32:07 | |
A man. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:08 | |
And that I could either go to jail, or he would get rid of the charges. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
If I would "entertain" this man and some of his friends. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:19 | |
So what did you do? | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
I went to jail. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:22 | |
Well, young offenders. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:25 | |
Listen, last night I got the number of that BMW. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
I'm going to call MacDougall to check it out and tell her about this. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
OK. All right. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:39 | |
-Steve, I'm so sorry. -No, Charley. -I never meant to lie. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:44 | |
It's all right, it's all right. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:45 | |
I always knew there was something, I didn't know what exactly. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:49 | |
I knew you'd tell me in your own good time, you know? | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
There you go. Didn't nick a thing. Didn't even take my laptop. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:01 | |
MacDougall's sending forensics over. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:03 | |
She did a PNC check and the plates on the Beemer were false. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:08 | |
Any joy? | 0:33:08 | 0:33:10 | |
-I don't know him. -You might not know Soutar. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
She said she had nothing to do with the care homes. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
She was in ours all the time. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:27 | |
-See you soon, OK? -See you later. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:31 | |
-She is wasted on you. -Who you calling? | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
-Helen Wray is working at home today. -Where's home? | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
-Got no idea. I'll find out later. -I think we should drop in on McNair. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:43 | |
This is beginning to smell like a cover-up. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
-KNOCK ON DOOR -Yeah? Oh, hi. -Hi. -Hello. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:49 | |
-Anything missing? -No. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:51 | |
They made a right mess of your papers. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:53 | |
-You look terrible. -He always looks like that. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
-You OK? -I'm fine, thank you. | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
Last time we spoke you said you hadn't found anything. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
Somebody obviously thinks you have. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
Four 16-year-old girls disappeared from care homes prior to | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
Soutar's murder. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:10 | |
-Go on. -After Soutar died, the girls stopped disappearing. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
-Did they ever turn up? -No. Dead or alive. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
So where now? | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
Well, probably McNair. See why he never mentioned the missing girls. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:26 | |
-Do you mind if I take a look around? -Be my guest. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
Still don't trust her. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:34 | |
-You may be right. Let's talk to somebody in the know. -Yeah. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
-The girls went missing over the course of...? -Two or three months. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:42 | |
Oh, aye, I do remember. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
You think the raid on the flat...? | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
Well, has to do with what we're up to. They didn't take anything. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
Maybe they were looking for something they didn't find? | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
No, it was a warning. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:54 | |
We've been followed more or less since we got here. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
Since we met McNair. Black BMW, tinted windows. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
We've been tailed, burgled, Gerry's been smacked. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
You're in the know. Who do you hire to do that kind of stuff? | 0:35:03 | 0:35:06 | |
Well, there's not exactly a short list, | 0:35:06 | 0:35:07 | |
-but I can certainly get a good idea. -That'd be a big help. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:12 | |
How did you find out about this sex-care thing? | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
Let's just say it's a very reliable source. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
OK. But that sort of thing is hard to keep covered up. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:21 | |
Especially in this town. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:22 | |
Yeah, well, these people must be seriously dangerous. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:25 | |
Plus the girls were very young and easily scared. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
Fair point. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
I'll also talk to some people from back then. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:32 | |
See if there's any kind of rumour about young girls being pimped by... | 0:35:32 | 0:35:35 | |
Helen Wray. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:37 | |
I'm on it. In the meantime, be bloody careful. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:42 | |
More careful than that anyway. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:43 | |
That's my middle name. That and ouch! | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
Thanks, Roy. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:49 | |
Disappearing girls? | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
Yeah, four. It was in the papers. And the news. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:53 | |
But not in your case file. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
Probably wasn't relevant. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:57 | |
So a murder victim who's in care, | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
who leaves money to a 16-year-old girl, who's also in care, has | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
no relevance to four other girls who disappear, who were in care? | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
Soutar was beaten to death in a gay pick-up area. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
A gay-bashing that went a bit crazy, of which there have | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
been quite a few. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:14 | |
Who says? Not the papers. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:16 | |
That's because back then poofs who got beat up, they didn't tend | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
to advertise the fact. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:20 | |
-So how come you knew? -Word on the street. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
Interesting that the girls stopped disappearing after | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
Soutar died. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:27 | |
Whoever murdered him did society a favour. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
How come you knew girls stopped disappearing after Soutar died? | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
I had pals who worked on the case. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
And I have I good memory... | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
for everything. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:41 | |
I know you're in this... | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
up to your neck. I know it. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
Because I know you. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:49 | |
-You OK? -You asked me that last time. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:00 | |
-Wait, wait, wait. -What? | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
Ogilvy. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
2011? | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
His handicap is here. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:11 | |
Here we are. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:16 | |
Oh boy, is this guy a peach or what? | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
-Ogilvy plays off an active handicap of nine. -Huh! | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
He must be the first senile golfer in history of the game to | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
play off single figures. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:27 | |
And you don't just forget to mention the ex-Procurator Fiscal | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
on the case just happens to be a member of your club. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
-Good enough for me. -No! No, wait, wait, wait. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
We know. McNair doesn't need to know that. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
Let's keep it that way for now. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
OK. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:45 | |
-Special, isn't it? -Yeah. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
How much would a place like this cost up here? | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
Too much. Way too much. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
-Hello there. -Well, hello again. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
-It's a beautiful place you've got here. -Thank you. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
Must have put you back a fair bit? | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
-I worked very hard over the years. -Social Services? | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
Social Services - everybody is very keen to criticise | 0:38:20 | 0:38:23 | |
when things go wrong, but they notice when things go right, eh? | 0:38:23 | 0:38:26 | |
You develop a thick skin. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:27 | |
It's something you just have to get used to. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
You must have had to have a very thick skin | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
when those four girls went missing... | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
from care, just before James Soutar died. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
Do you not remember? | 0:38:38 | 0:38:39 | |
No, of course I do. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:41 | |
I thought it was pretty odd that Soutar left money to a girl in care. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
Cathy Sinclair? | 0:38:45 | 0:38:46 | |
She must have been about the same age as the girls who went missing. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
None of them have been found, have they? | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
I'm sorry - I don't understand what it is you're insinuating? | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
-Insinuating? -Yes. You're clearly implying there's some | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
connection between these events and I know what it is. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
Oh, no, I'm sorry, that's not what I meant at all. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
No. All Steve is saying is that given your job at the time, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
child welfare - what do you think happened to the girls? | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
I don't know. No-one does. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
It was very distressing. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
Even now the memory of it is quite upsetting. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
We think Soutar was involved. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
He may even be responsible for killing those girls. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
You see in cases like these - | 0:39:29 | 0:39:30 | |
and I've worked a few - it usually boils down to sex or money. Or both. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:36 | |
So what would your guess be? | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
I really don't know. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
No doubt your experience counts for a lot, but mine is more to do | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
with the problems of such girls - not their disappearance. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
I can't help you. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:50 | |
Thanks for your time. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:53 | |
Bye, now. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:55 | |
Gerry. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:58 | |
Lying through her teeth. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:03 | |
Yep. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
And absolutely no way of proving it. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
Not unless Charley comes forward. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
You know as well as I do it would be her word against Wray's. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
And by the looks of that house, Helen Wray is very well connected. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
So what next? | 0:40:19 | 0:40:21 | |
We wait. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
-What for? -Just enjoy the scenery for a minute. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
Go on. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:29 | |
-DOOR BELL RINGS -Yes, yes - I'm coming! Wait! | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
Helen, I'm really sorry, but I think I dropped my mobile. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
Do you mind if I have a quick look? | 0:40:43 | 0:40:44 | |
Sorry to bother you. It's stupid of me, I know. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
Stupid. I can't think...ah, look! | 0:40:48 | 0:40:51 | |
Here it is. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:53 | |
How I managed to do that I don't know. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:55 | |
There we go. Look, I'll let you get on with your day. I'm so sorry. | 0:40:55 | 0:41:00 | |
-That's not a mobile. -No. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:03 | |
It's Helen. They've just been out to see me again. At my house! | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
The two guys from this new unsolved crime unit thing. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
Don't patronise me! It's no good saying "It's in hand." | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
And don't tell me to calm down - they're onto the sex angle. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
Yes! They mentioned Cathy Sinclair. Cathy Sinclair? | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
A girl you were particularly fond of, remember? | 0:41:27 | 0:41:30 | |
I know you weren't the only one who had sex with her - | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
you just paid the least! | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
I am not panicking! I am bloody...! | 0:41:37 | 0:41:39 | |
DOOR BELL RINGS | 0:41:39 | 0:41:41 | |
For goodness sake. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
-This is not funny. -Sorry, Helen, I've no signal on my mobile. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
I need to make an urgent call. Could I use your landline? | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
-Thanks so much. I'm sorry about this. -Sorry. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
Helen, I must say how much I admire what you and people like you | 0:42:07 | 0:42:13 | |
do in the social services. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:15 | |
In our job, obviously, we're dealing with social workers all | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
the time and without them... | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
Yes, yes. You don't have to... | 0:42:21 | 0:42:22 | |
Answer machine! Sorry. I'll just have to try again later. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:27 | |
-Sorry to waste your time again. Come on, Gerry. -Thank you. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
That's the last number she dialled. Give it a ring. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
Hello? | 0:42:52 | 0:42:53 | |
CAR HORN BLARES Oh, is it? Sorry, wrong number. | 0:42:53 | 0:42:57 | |
-It's Ogilvy. -What is this guy up to? | 0:42:57 | 0:42:59 | |
Blimey, he's right up our arse. | 0:43:01 | 0:43:02 | |
Uh-oh. Uh-oh. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:17 | |
SIREN BLARES | 0:43:17 | 0:43:19 | |
That's the Beemer that's been following us. | 0:43:26 | 0:43:30 | |
What the bloody hell's going on? | 0:43:30 | 0:43:32 | |
Sorry about that. But, hey - better late than never. | 0:43:32 | 0:43:35 | |
-False plates? -No. But I bet those are. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:39 | |
Unbelievable. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
4X4 was stolen in Bishopbriggs this morning. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:49 | |
And by now probably burning somewhere very nicely where | 0:43:49 | 0:43:52 | |
-there's no CCTV cameras. -I told you it was a set-up! | 0:43:52 | 0:43:54 | |
-Set-up? -Don't act like you don't know. | 0:43:56 | 0:43:58 | |
You've been tailing us since the off. | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
Actually this is the first time I've been out with the boys. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:03 | |
Look, I had a feeling you were getting close. | 0:44:03 | 0:44:06 | |
-You used us as bait to lure the villains out. -No. | 0:44:06 | 0:44:09 | |
I trusted you to get close enough for me | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
to be able to step in at the last minute. | 0:44:11 | 0:44:12 | |
Well, it didn't work, did it? The bastard's got away. | 0:44:12 | 0:44:15 | |
Well, whatever you said to Helen Wray must have been the trigger. | 0:44:15 | 0:44:19 | |
Which was what, exactly? | 0:44:19 | 0:44:21 | |
Helen Wray procured girls in care for a sex ring - | 0:44:23 | 0:44:26 | |
a group of men, including Soutar. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:28 | |
We think Soutar lured some of these girls somewhere, alone. | 0:44:28 | 0:44:32 | |
And killed them. | 0:44:32 | 0:44:34 | |
One of the group found out what Soutar was doing, | 0:44:34 | 0:44:36 | |
-killed him and covered it up. -Any names? -Oh! No way. | 0:44:36 | 0:44:39 | |
I'm no getting a sawn-off stuck in my face for nothing. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
We make the collar. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:44 | |
Hello, Colin. | 0:44:44 | 0:44:46 | |
I tell you what, | 0:44:47 | 0:44:49 | |
-that birdie he got in the 17th was unbelievable, wasn't it? -Was it? | 0:44:49 | 0:44:53 | |
Bet you could give some of those guys a pretty good game | 0:44:53 | 0:44:56 | |
yourself - playing off nine the way you do. Not bad for a 76-year-old. | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
I wonder how many residents have their own mobile phone? | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
Not many, I should think. | 0:45:02 | 0:45:04 | |
No. But then being an ex-officer of the law does have its privileges. | 0:45:04 | 0:45:09 | |
I bet it does. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:12 | |
"They mentioned Cathy Sinclair. Cathy Sinclair? | 0:45:14 | 0:45:17 | |
"A girl you were particularly fond of, remember? | 0:45:17 | 0:45:20 | |
"I know you weren't the only one who paid for sex - | 0:45:21 | 0:45:24 | |
"you just paid the least!" | 0:45:24 | 0:45:26 | |
That was a call made to you a couple of hours ago by Helen Wray. | 0:45:26 | 0:45:30 | |
Anything you want to say about that? | 0:45:31 | 0:45:33 | |
Should be pretty interesting you know - | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
the present Procurator Fiscal making a judgment call on charges of sex | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
with minors in local authority care against the ex-Procurator Fiscal. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:47 | |
I don't think it will come to that. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:51 | |
Oh no? Why's that? | 0:45:51 | 0:45:52 | |
Because... | 0:45:52 | 0:45:54 | |
..I don't have that long to live. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
Life's a bitch and then you die. So what? | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
So all my life all I've had is my reputation. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:06 | |
And while I live, I have every intention of keeping it. | 0:46:06 | 0:46:10 | |
That's all I care about. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
You didn't give a shit about those girls in care though, did you? | 0:46:12 | 0:46:15 | |
Who else "entertained" those girls with you? | 0:46:15 | 0:46:17 | |
No, no. I don't do that. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
No? Well, what about James Soutar? | 0:46:20 | 0:46:24 | |
When did you find out what he was doing? | 0:46:24 | 0:46:26 | |
That he wasn't just one of the boys like the rest of you? | 0:46:26 | 0:46:29 | |
I haven't the faintest idea what you're talking about. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:32 | |
I don't give a toss how terminally ill you are - | 0:46:32 | 0:46:34 | |
I'm going to make damn sure the doctors keep you alive just | 0:46:34 | 0:46:37 | |
long enough for the judge to send you down. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:39 | |
I never said I was ill. | 0:46:39 | 0:46:41 | |
I said I hadn't long to live. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:45 | |
Shit! | 0:46:47 | 0:46:48 | |
Helen, you must know the murder of James Soutar is linked to | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
the sex ring you helped create. | 0:47:02 | 0:47:04 | |
I don't know any James Soutar! | 0:47:04 | 0:47:06 | |
Without naming names, you make it very difficult for me | 0:47:06 | 0:47:08 | |
to believe you're not protecting the actual murderer. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:11 | |
Soutar was not one of the men, I keep telling you. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:14 | |
OK - let them remain scot-free. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:16 | |
I'm sure they'll be delighted to visit you in Cornton Vale. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:19 | |
Most of them are no longer alive. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:29 | |
Fine. Let's start with the living. | 0:47:29 | 0:47:32 | |
How did it go? | 0:47:47 | 0:47:48 | |
Ah, shit. | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
What is it? | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
Woah. | 0:47:57 | 0:47:59 | |
Do you admit to having sex with girls procured by Helen Wray? | 0:47:59 | 0:48:02 | |
No comment. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:05 | |
Did you help obstruct the investigation | 0:48:05 | 0:48:07 | |
into the disappearance of Sally Carmichael, Gemma O'Neill, Fionnula McCalliog | 0:48:07 | 0:48:11 | |
and Moira Biggar from Strathclyde Council Care in 1993? | 0:48:11 | 0:48:15 | |
No comment. | 0:48:16 | 0:48:17 | |
Did you phone Detective Inspector Frank McNair to inform him | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
he was about to be suspended from duty on or | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
around the 6th of September 2002 so that he could avoid | 0:48:24 | 0:48:27 | |
criminal investigation by claiming to be sick? | 0:48:27 | 0:48:30 | |
No comment. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
Did you murder James Alistair Soutar on the night of 8th May 1993? | 0:48:35 | 0:48:41 | |
No. | 0:48:43 | 0:48:45 | |
No. I did not. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
Do you know the identity of his killers? | 0:48:48 | 0:48:50 | |
Absolutely not. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
He's lying. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:00 | |
Possibly. But to be honest, I just don't know. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
-How long have you known him? -Thirty years. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:10 | |
Long time. | 0:49:10 | 0:49:11 | |
Not long enough, apparently. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:49:15 | 0:49:16 | |
Giles Morrison - the ex-Sheriff of Glasgow - just had a heart attack. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:27 | |
-Is it serious? -Not serious enough. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:29 | |
Look, you two have been fantastic. | 0:49:31 | 0:49:33 | |
I don't know if we'll get these guys for killing Jimmy, | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
but we'll sure as hell nail them for what they did to those poor girls. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:39 | |
I know - it's not the result I was looking for but it is a result. | 0:49:39 | 0:49:44 | |
Right. I'll finish the interview then head off to see what | 0:49:45 | 0:49:48 | |
pillar of the press Tom McInnes has to say. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
With any luck this one will have a stroke. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:54 | |
What? | 0:49:59 | 0:50:01 | |
All right, I give in - I apologise. Glasgow is fabulous. | 0:50:02 | 0:50:08 | |
Yep, you were right, I was wrong. Can we go home now? | 0:50:08 | 0:50:13 | |
No. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
What are you waiting for? | 0:50:15 | 0:50:16 | |
Her. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
-You worked all this out...? -From a tell. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:47 | |
-Eh? -Did you not hear it? | 0:50:47 | 0:50:49 | |
Did you not hear what she said? | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
Fancy finding you here. | 0:51:01 | 0:51:03 | |
-You followed me here. Because? -Because of a tell. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
A tell? | 0:51:08 | 0:51:10 | |
James Alistair Soutar. You called him Jimmy. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
Everywhere we went, everyone called him James, nobody called him Jimmy. | 0:51:14 | 0:51:17 | |
Tell us about Jimmy. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:20 | |
I knew him as a result of being coerced into having sex with | 0:51:22 | 0:51:25 | |
some of the men you've had the dubious pleasure of meeting. | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
-What, you? You were...? -Hold on, hold on. James Soutar was... | 0:51:28 | 0:51:32 | |
Jimmy Soutar was my saviour. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:34 | |
You were brought up here in care? | 0:51:34 | 0:51:36 | |
A few months after I started entertaining | 0:51:39 | 0:51:42 | |
for Helen Wray, Jimmy tagged me coming home from school. | 0:51:42 | 0:51:46 | |
He told me he knew what was happening to me. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:50 | |
Of course he did, he was part of the sex ring. | 0:51:50 | 0:51:52 | |
No! Because of his charity work in the care homes. | 0:51:52 | 0:51:56 | |
One of the girls in a home had come on to him, | 0:51:58 | 0:52:00 | |
thinking he was one of them. | 0:52:00 | 0:52:02 | |
When she told him why he was horrified. | 0:52:02 | 0:52:05 | |
He knew he could do next to nothing. | 0:52:06 | 0:52:09 | |
The people involved were too well connected. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
Connected and dangerous. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:14 | |
He wanted to help me. | 0:52:14 | 0:52:16 | |
To offer me a way out. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:17 | |
He said he was rich enough to get me out of Glasgow, put me in a flat | 0:52:18 | 0:52:22 | |
in another city and provide me with enough money for a proper education. | 0:52:22 | 0:52:26 | |
So how could you trust him? | 0:52:26 | 0:52:27 | |
I didn't. | 0:52:29 | 0:52:30 | |
But a week later he reappeared with a train ticket to Edinburgh, | 0:52:30 | 0:52:35 | |
my name on a flat lease, six months paid in advance, | 0:52:35 | 0:52:37 | |
and a bank account with five grand in it. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
-And you went? -I flew. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
He saved my life. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:45 | |
I ended up at university. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:49 | |
When I finished I decided I'd do for others what he'd done for me. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:54 | |
-That's why I'm here. -Wasn't it a bit risky coming back? | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
Not if you stay away long enough. | 0:52:58 | 0:53:01 | |
When I joined the force, Roy Fraser was a superintendent. | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
I recognised him instantly. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:06 | |
And he didn't know me from Adam. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:10 | |
What about the other girls? What happened to them? | 0:53:10 | 0:53:12 | |
Alive. All of them. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:15 | |
Happy. | 0:53:15 | 0:53:17 | |
Living in other places. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:19 | |
All saved by him. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:22 | |
So this is all about payback? | 0:53:22 | 0:53:25 | |
No. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:26 | |
All this is to find out who killed the man who saved my life. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
It hasn't really worked, has it? | 0:53:29 | 0:53:32 | |
Nobody's owned up to killing Soutar. | 0:53:32 | 0:53:35 | |
-And we don't have any evidence of anything. -No, I know. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:38 | |
As I said, it's not a perfect result. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:40 | |
But it'll do. | 0:53:41 | 0:53:43 | |
Do you often bring flowers up here? | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
Sometimes. | 0:53:45 | 0:53:47 | |
You didn't today. We were watching you. | 0:53:47 | 0:53:50 | |
You weren't carrying anything. | 0:53:50 | 0:53:52 | |
No. | 0:53:52 | 0:53:54 | |
So who did? | 0:53:54 | 0:53:55 | |
White roses? | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
We're looking for Catherine Sinclair. | 0:54:01 | 0:54:03 | |
-Cathy, you told us you never met James Soutar. -No. | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
That's not true, is it? | 0:54:12 | 0:54:14 | |
Because James Soutar approached you, didn't he? | 0:54:14 | 0:54:17 | |
When? | 0:54:17 | 0:54:18 | |
He offered to help you escape from what was happening. | 0:54:18 | 0:54:22 | |
The men, the hotels, Helen Wray. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:24 | |
Yeah. He offered you money. | 0:54:24 | 0:54:26 | |
Said he'd save you - just like he'd saved the other girls. | 0:54:26 | 0:54:29 | |
Money? Flat in another city? Help with education? | 0:54:29 | 0:54:33 | |
You didn't believe him. Did you? | 0:54:33 | 0:54:35 | |
No. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:39 | |
What did you believe? | 0:54:41 | 0:54:42 | |
He was killing them. | 0:54:42 | 0:54:44 | |
That he'd killed Gemma. | 0:54:45 | 0:54:47 | |
The staff went mental, running round trying to find her. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:52 | |
I never said anything, | 0:54:52 | 0:54:54 | |
because I knew she'd probably be up town in a hotel. | 0:54:54 | 0:54:58 | |
We always used to come back safe - in taxis. | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
But this time she didn't. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:07 | |
And then this man stopped me near my school. | 0:55:07 | 0:55:09 | |
James Soutar? | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
He said he knew all about Helen Wray, the hotels and so on. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
That he wanted to help me. | 0:55:16 | 0:55:17 | |
Soon as he said that I knew right then what had happened to Gemma. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:24 | |
So I said, "OK." | 0:55:25 | 0:55:27 | |
I said I'd meet him at the bus station late one night. | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
And? | 0:55:33 | 0:55:35 | |
I met him. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:38 | |
With a rounders bat from school. | 0:55:40 | 0:55:42 | |
Only, months later - when the money came... | 0:55:45 | 0:55:47 | |
..I started to have doubts. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:52 | |
I thought, "Why did he give me that money? Why?" | 0:55:52 | 0:55:54 | |
Then, years later, I saw her. | 0:55:56 | 0:56:00 | |
-Who? -Gemma. | 0:56:00 | 0:56:01 | |
I was in Aberdeen. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:04 | |
There she was. In a hotel in the city centre. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:07 | |
She looks straight at me. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
I had to leave. | 0:56:13 | 0:56:14 | |
She was alive. And he wasn't. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:19 | |
I did whatever I could to atone. | 0:56:26 | 0:56:29 | |
I did whatever I could to try and be a decent human being. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:32 | |
Even though it would never be enough. | 0:56:34 | 0:56:36 | |
And now you're here. | 0:56:38 | 0:56:40 | |
And I'm glad. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:43 | |
Cathy, you're going to need your things. | 0:56:46 | 0:56:48 | |
What are you going to do? | 0:56:57 | 0:56:59 | |
I'm going to give her the number of the best defence lawyer in Scotland. | 0:57:00 | 0:57:03 | |
-Steve? -What? -Can we go home now?! | 0:57:05 | 0:57:09 | |
No. No. We've got one more thing to do. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:12 | |
This is intimidation. | 0:57:12 | 0:57:13 | |
No. Intimidation is a six-foot Scotsman with a shotgun. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:18 | |
You know, it never occurred to me that Roy Fraser | 0:57:18 | 0:57:20 | |
-would have tipped you off. -Oh, give me a break. | 0:57:20 | 0:57:23 | |
But then I should have twigged when he was made DCC - | 0:57:23 | 0:57:25 | |
all DCs being complete bastards. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
-Are you through? -Not quite. | 0:57:27 | 0:57:29 | |
I have to tell you to know that Roy Fraser's coughed to having | 0:57:29 | 0:57:32 | |
you fix the investigation into James Soutar's murder. | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
Then you get to keep your pension and get this sinecure. | 0:57:34 | 0:57:38 | |
-What? -A post requiring little or no work | 0:57:38 | 0:57:41 | |
but allowing the holder status and financial benefit. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
What's really funny is that you have absolutely no proof at all, | 0:57:44 | 0:57:48 | |
otherwise there would be someone, | 0:57:48 | 0:57:50 | |
like a real police officer, coming to arrest me. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:53 | |
Waiting just outside the door. | 0:57:53 | 0:57:55 | |
-You know why she left you? -Woah! | 0:57:55 | 0:57:59 | |
Leave it! Listen, he's going down. You don't need to do this. | 0:57:59 | 0:58:05 | |
But I do. | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
I couldn't have put that better myself. | 0:58:10 | 0:58:12 | |
He's had a very nasty fall in there, boys. | 0:58:16 | 0:58:18 | |
You know what? Scotland's beginning to grow on me. | 0:58:19 | 0:58:22 | |
What? You're actually going to come back again? | 0:58:22 | 0:58:24 | |
Yeah, I could well do, actually. | 0:58:24 | 0:58:26 | |
If you can ever scrape together | 0:58:27 | 0:58:29 | |
eleven decent players to give us a game. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:32 | |
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