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Why was he released

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when he'd already attempted to murder someone else?

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It was your job

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to supervise Philip Pointer while he was on parole.

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You let him slip through your fingers

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with consequences that were calamitous.

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You can't hold their hands 24 hours a day.

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You just hope.

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This programme contains some strong language.

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Eddie Mottram. Sentenced in 2001 for the murder of Georgia Whiteley.

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-His girlfriend at the time.

-Thank you for believing in me.

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If you enter into a relationship with anyone,

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you must report it to me. I will inform any partner of your previous conviction.

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-What's wrong with you?

-I'm just shy.

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It's cute.

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You're going to have to comply to an exclusion zone.

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-Freedom, eh?

-You might have to be patient.

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-I've been patient for ten years!

-You've got a nerve coming here.

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If Mr Whiteley goes to the police and says that you were there,

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-I haven't got a choice.

-You got a second chance.

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Give me one.

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I got a ten-year tariff and I got my life back.

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-The price of freedom is going to be you keeping your mouth shut.

-It's all I've got.

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If you mess up, how does that make me look?

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You're being watched just as much as me.

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I didn't do it, Paula. I didn't kill Georgia.

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What are you doing?

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I'm recalling you back to prison.

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I can't go back and do another 15 years, Paula. I can't!

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Please.

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PHONE BEEPS

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DOORBELL RINGS

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BUZZER

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Do you want to retract what you said last night?

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Can't.

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I have to work on the basis that you killed Georgia.

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-Now, I have to work on the basis that you're denying responsibility.

-That makes you more dangerous.

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-Does it?

-What? Are you going to go out and find the people that really did do it, Eddie?

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-I don't know who...

-No, no.

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But you're determined to find out, though. Aren't you, hmm?

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Which makes you more dangerous.

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Until last night, Eddie, you did it. For the last ten years, you did it.

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You've told two parole boards that.

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I just... Look, I just needed to get it said.

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I just got to the end of my rope.

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But it changes everything.

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Doesn't mean I'll do something about it!

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It's my job to make sure that you don't.

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I'm supposed to turn you into a decent member of society,

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not chuck you back into prison the first chance I get.

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So, Eddie, I'm going to become your jailer.

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They're going to categorise me as high risk.

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-If I do anything about being innocent I go back to prison.

-Right.

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Well, it's up to you, I suppose. Whether it's worth it or not.

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-I spent ten years waiting to get out. It can't be worth it.

-All right, but...

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..you want people to know, don't you?

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Of course I do. But what can I do, Kelly? What can I actually do?

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I don't know.

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Just let me see, eh?

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They can't do anything to me.

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BELL

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You're asking for what, then? Leave to appeal?

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Erm, appeal court, yeah.

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There's normally a time limit of 28 days after conviction.

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Yeah, normally.

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You're ten years out of time.

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We can still get his case heard, though, can't we?

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I shouldn't even be discussing this with you without his permission.

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He's not even allowed to talk to you about this!

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He pleaded guilty, Kelly.

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Yeah, but it doesn't disqualify him, though.

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But it's a matter of public record

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and the courts are reluctant to allow someone to set their plea aside.

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Apparently, you have to fill out a form

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saying there are grounds for appeal.

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Haven't you been listening to me?

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There aren't any.

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I'll find another solicitor.

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Look, he's out. Can't you leave it at that?

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I used to see Eddie once a week at the probation offices.

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Now, it's going to be twice, as well as hostel visits.

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So, now, I'm going to lose him for twice as long?

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-Actually, I need to see his work rota, too.

-Why?

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On his days off, he's got to go and sign in at the hostel twice a day,

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so he doesn't stray too far.

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Christ. Look, I've got no complaints about him. No complaints at all.

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There's been a problem.

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Is he a menace to garden furniture?

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I was going to make him up to duty manager in that section.

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That's great.

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Not if he's a riskier proposition, it isn't.

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What's that woman doing here?

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Jade...

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..I've been wanting to explain something to you - my behaviour.

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She's my probation officer.

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-All right, I'll be in touch.

-Yeah.

-Thanks.

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I don't understand, Eddie. Why do you have a probation officer?

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I robbed a petrol station.

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Went to prison.

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How long?

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-Ten years.

-Ten years?!

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-Did you have a gun?

-A replica one.

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Look, I was in a bad way at the time. I was taking a lot of cocaine,

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I got mixed up with some people I shouldn't have.

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Now, I'm out and I'm trying to get my life straight.

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-You were a bad boy.

-Now I'm trying to be a good man.

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-No wonder you've been so cagey with me.

-I'm sorry.

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I could never invite you back to mine.

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It's a bail hostel.

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Did you hurt anybody?

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-You know, like, the cashier?

-No, no. I just shouted at him and that.

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Cos if you did, if you were violent,

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-I don't think I could go along with that.

-Of course not.

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Look, I'm not a scumbag, Jade. I've even got a friend who's a GP.

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Will they provide references for you?

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We've changed the way we supervise him. Given him less freedom.

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What's he done? Has he hurt someone?

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-Knew it wouldn't take long.

-No, it's nothing like that.

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I can't go into the why and what for,

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I just want to make sure he doesn't cause any greater risk to you.

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He can't hurt us more than he's done already.

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RUNNING WATER

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This is compulsory now, OK? Every few days.

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Drug AND alcohol testing

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-cos they're both banned substances from now on.

-Why's that?

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Because if it weren't drugs or alcohol,

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-what else would have made you lose the plot like that?

-I hadn't taken anything.

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No drugs, not even a drink.

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Then we really should be worried about you.

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-So, are you going round telling everyone you didn't do it?

-No.

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Why not? I can't breach you for it. Only if you do something.

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-I'm being punished for having said it.

-Given you pause for thought?

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I can't stop what I know in my heart.

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Who else have you told what's in your heart?

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Kelly's always known.

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She's known since day one and never told anyone about it?

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She's kept quiet all this time?

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There's nothing to say, man! Look, don't you see, Paula? They had me.

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They had me!

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I'd had a fight with Georgia, had sex with her.

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-I mean, there was DNA and no alibi!

-Calm down.

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My barrister and my solicitor are going,

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"Plead, there's no defence here.

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"Plead guilty and it'll be better for you".

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What would anyone do?

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I was a kid with foster parents I hadn't seen for three years.

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So, your sister went along with it and just kept going along with it?

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There couldn't be any murmurings in the way of my parole hearings.

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All I wanted to do was get out of there ASAP saying guilty all the way,

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telling the psychologist what she wanted to hear.

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Cynical.

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-Practical.

-You're not being very practical now.

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I came banging on your door at night.

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Yes and freaked me out.

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I came to you because I thought I could tell you the truth.

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Is that what freaked you out?

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I'm putting you on an anger management course.

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But that'll mean taking more time off work.

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They won't wear that!

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You increased your risk to the public, Eddie, not me.

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Ultimately, it's them I've got to protect. Not you.

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Out of the hostel into somewhere normal. Love it.

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Jade, this is Glen and Darren. Good mates of mine.

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Eddie says you're the best thing that's happened to him.

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Did he? Oh, you sweetie!

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Yeah, just don't go to any petrol stations with him, that's all!

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-Can I get you a drink or...?

-No, we're all right.

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Just a Coke, ta.

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-Thanks for going along with it.

-I'm not.

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I can't. It's bullshit.

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Oh, what, you deserve a relationship but I don't?

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Telling lies to a kid like that ain't going to bring your life back.

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Just shows how little you've learnt.

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-We're just doing him a little favour.

-Cos you think you owe him!

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-What does that mean?

-Ignore him.

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He thinks having a mortgage makes him moral.

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The last thing he wants to be reminded of is that he was mates with you.

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Look, what if I said it wasn't me?

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What if I said it wasn't me that killed Georgia?

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-You can't.

-Why not?

-Why not?! Because you did it!

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Cos it's too late to say anything different now.

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Who'd believe you, anyway?

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-Cheers!

-Cheers!

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Think you hear something, do you?

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Why don't you just put a bloody camera in here?

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-I have to go, Mr Stiles.

-OK.

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-I'll be back later.

-Yeah.

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OK, good. So, physical activity - definitely. Running, swimming.

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But to be honest, if you do feel you're getting uptight or tense,

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then just changing your breathing can be just as good.

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-Eddie, somewhere you'd rather be?

-Yeah, work, actually.

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THEY LAUGH

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-OK, just fill your lungs with air. Slowly.

-Fuck me.

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What did you say?

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HE BREATHES DEEPLY

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Good. Let's try it, everyone.

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Let it go slowly.

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-Eddie?

-He's sacked me.

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Because you're not here enough any more.

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-Has everyone been talking about me?

-Don't be silly.

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But why has it gone up, Eddie? The things you have to do?

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Look, I loved this job! And seeing you every day.

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-It's not like we can see much of each other outside.

-No.

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What is wrong with that bitch?

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DOOR BUZZES

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I'm going to call and see if I can get him to change his mind, OK?

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You did this to me, not him!

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-Calm down, son.

-I notice you're not saying try another garden centre.

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Because you know that I'm unemployable now.

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I'm going to have spend all my days locked up in here!

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-Locked up? You've got a key.

-Only to my room!

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I told you, I have to manage you according to the risk you've become.

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If I'm such a high risk to the public all of a sudden,

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-who am I going to hurt, Paula? Eh? Who?

-Another teenage girl.

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-Statistically, another teenage girl.

-Do you really think so?

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-She can't afford not to.

-No. No, YOU can't, can you?

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Under the cosh just like me, aren't you?

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Came down on me like a ton of bricks, Kel.

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-I thought your boss understood?

-Only at first.

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Not now.

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-So, how did it go with the solicitor?

-Good.

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-What did he say?

-Yeah, yeah. Erm, really useful.

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-Useful?

-Shut the door in my face, more or less.

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-No, worse. Thought it was a joke.

-Right.

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You should meet Jade. She's great. I'm lucky. Really lucky.

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I'll introduce you.

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Yeah, it'll be great.

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-Give us a bit.

-Yeah, go on.

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SIREN WAILS IN THE DISTANCE

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Paula? Hi, I'm Kelly. Eddie's sister.

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-You put the phone down on me.

-Thought you were snooping.

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-I had questions. You're his family.

-Well, I'll give you some information now, shall I?

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He's right - what he's saying. He's innocent.

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He couldn't plead that in court cos we were told it'd be worse for him if he did.

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You shouldn't approach me. Talk to a solicitor.

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They don't want to know.

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Well, then, it's up to you to make him see sense, Kelly.

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I encourage him because I believe him. Can't you?

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I've got no reason to.

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He sits in front of you twice a week.

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Surely you can see what he's like?

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Yeah, I see exactly what he's like.

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Then, why can't you see he's telling the truth?

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He's his own worst enemy.

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No, the only enemy he's got is you.

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You look smart.

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Had a job interview.

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Sandwich bar.

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Waiting to hear.

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So fingers crossed, eh?

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-I'm sorry, Eddie.

-Why?

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JobCentre Plus got hold of me. They needed to know about you.

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But there are...

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there are personal development and life skills courses you could do...

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Life skills? What, like don't rock the boat?

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If you went back to being compliant...

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-I'm not exactly on hunger strike.

-You know what I mean.

-If you stop being in denial.

-I'm not.

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What do I have to do to make you get it?

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Tell me. Please.

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Eddie?

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Do you know what I think you need?

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-I think you need a day out.

-Do you?

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Well, don't you? Get away from what your life's like at the minute.

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-You'd let me go somewhere?

-I would.

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Well, why are you offering me this all of a sudden? This one of those constructive interventions?

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I think you need something else to happen to you.

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-Even though I'm in denial?

-I can't keep punishing you.

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Thank you.

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I'm not bloody hitting anything, though.

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Hey!

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Yes!

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You should be good at this.

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Why?

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You know.

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What you did.

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Oh, yeah! Yeah.

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There's no money here.

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There's teddy bears.

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All right, I'll go for the dickie bow.

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Yay!

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Come on, hurry up, slow coach!

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-Woo!

-Whee!

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I'm coming for you!

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How good is this?!

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He-he-hey! Woo-hoo-hoo!

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Oi!

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What's your game? Oi!

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No bumping!

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Eddie?

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-Oi!

-Eddie!

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You're mine, mate, you're mine. Knob!

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-Fucking arsehole! Come here! Oi!

-Eddie! Leave it! Eddie!

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Yeah, keep going, pal.

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Eddie!

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He bumped straight into me, Jade, bumped straight into me.

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Just as well you were here.

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Am I reforming you, then, bad boy?

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Yeah. You're doing all sorts.

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THEY LAUGH

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Loads of salt. Loads of vinegar.

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Loads of everything.

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Jade!

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A wickle cweature, look!

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SHE SCREAMS AND LAUGHS

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Come here!

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THEY LAUGH

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-Come on, give us a kiss!

-No, no!

-Give us a kiss.

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I'm only joking.

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Aah, that is great.

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I'm sorry, babe.

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Stay here for a sec.

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Yeah?

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Yeah?

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We've got to hurry up.

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-Why don't you phone to say you'll be late?

-There's no excuses for missing your curfew!

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-Well, what happens?

-I get sent back to prison, that's what happens.

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Look, come on, or we're going to miss this train!

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TRAIN PULLS INTO PLATFORM

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Oh, no!

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It's OK.

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Why's it so serious, Eddie?

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Why would you get in so much trouble?

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They own my arse, Jade. Own it completely.

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I still had a nice time today.

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Me and all.

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God.

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Routine room search. Found them on there.

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-Said he was going alone.

-It's the girl from the garden centre.

-Think he's told her what he's done?

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Well, he hasn't notified us about a relationship with her,

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so I doubt he's been straight with her.

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Where is he?

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We've confined him to his room.

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-Don't you want to see him?

-No, I'm going to go and find her. I need to tell her.

0:26:310:26:35

She obviously hasn't got a clue about what he's done.

0:26:350:26:40

Never going to look like that again, are they?

0:26:400:26:43

I don't believe you.

0:27:180:27:19

What did he tell you?

0:27:200:27:22

He's told me about you, is what he's told me.

0:27:220:27:26

How you make his life a misery.

0:27:260:27:28

What is it with you? Can't you bear to see him happy?

0:27:280:27:31

Had your eye on him yourself, did ya?

0:27:320:27:34

What has he told you about the offence?

0:27:340:27:36

He held up a petrol station with a replica gun.

0:27:360:27:40

That's robbery.

0:27:420:27:43

All right, it's armed robbery, probably, you tell me,

0:27:430:27:45

but it's not fucking murder.

0:27:450:27:48

Her name was Georgia Whiteley. She was 17 years old, and she was strangled by him.

0:27:510:27:55

-He pleaded guilty.

-No!

0:27:560:27:58

Yeah, well, you can ask him, you can look it up.

0:28:010:28:04

-You've made a mistake.

-No, Jade, I haven't made a mistake. I'm here to stop you making one.

0:28:040:28:09

Don't...don't...

0:28:110:28:12

don't tell me you're here for me.

0:28:120:28:15

You, what, you think you're telling me about Eddie?

0:28:150:28:19

Eddie COULDN'T hurt anybody.

0:28:190:28:23

Eddie is gentle...

0:28:230:28:25

..he's funny...

0:28:250:28:27

..gets excited like a boy.

0:28:270:28:30

I know.

0:28:300:28:32

So how could he do what you're saying?

0:28:320:28:34

You know, Eddie couldn't kill someone, he couldn't even hurt them.

0:28:350:28:41

He's...he's the vulnerable one.

0:28:410:28:44

I've got coverage of the crime with me.

0:28:440:28:46

From the body being found...

0:28:560:28:59

to him being charged...

0:29:000:29:03

then the trial...

0:29:030:29:04

and the sentencing.

0:29:050:29:08

I'm...sorry, Jade.

0:29:140:29:17

It wasn't a petrol station.

0:29:280:29:30

I was so happy.

0:29:360:29:37

I didn't need to know.

0:29:420:29:44

I didn't need to know!

0:29:460:29:48

I had to.

0:29:530:29:55

It's my job.

0:29:550:29:57

It's my job to keep you out of harm from him.

0:29:570:29:59

JADE SOBS

0:29:590:30:01

The girl was the same age as Georgia Whiteley was, near enough, and God forbid...

0:30:280:30:32

I don't think Jade was ever in any danger.

0:30:320:30:34

How can you say that?

0:30:340:30:37

He's minimised his crime and lied to her.

0:30:370:30:40

-I don't believe...

-Don't believe what?

0:30:400:30:42

That he'd hurt anybody.

0:30:440:30:46

He murdered his first girlfriend.

0:30:460:30:48

You still accept THAT, don't you?

0:30:500:30:52

Course I do.

0:30:520:30:54

Thanks.

0:30:570:30:58

Jade?

0:31:100:31:11

Jade!

0:31:130:31:14

No...

0:31:140:31:15

-No, Eddie...

-Has someone spoken to you?

-Just leave me alone!

0:31:150:31:19

No, no...

0:31:190:31:21

What did they say?

0:31:210:31:22

Your probation officer came to see me.

0:31:260:31:29

-She told me what you've done. What you've really done, Eddie.

-No!

0:31:300:31:33

But I didn't...

0:31:330:31:34

-Didn't what?

-I didn't do what I went to prison for.

0:31:340:31:37

You told me you went to prison for robbery. That was a lie.

0:31:390:31:43

-Now what are you telling me, Eddie?

-Look, I didn't kill her.

0:31:430:31:46

There's reasons why I pleaded guilty, and if you let me, I'll explain them to you...

0:31:460:31:50

What, and convince me? You convinced me before!

0:31:500:31:53

No, I just thought if I told you the truth straight away, you wouldn't... You know, it would be too much.

0:31:530:31:58

What, that you went to prison for murder,

0:31:580:32:01

or you went to prison for nothing?

0:32:010:32:03

No, look...

0:32:030:32:05

I don't care how many versions you've got.

0:32:050:32:08

Nothing you say means a thing.

0:32:080:32:11

Jade...

0:32:110:32:12

Nothing!

0:32:120:32:13

Jade, please don't do this to me.

0:32:140:32:16

Please.

0:32:160:32:17

I have to.

0:32:170:32:19

Eddie!

0:32:190:32:20

-Please!

-I have to!

0:32:200:32:22

I don't know who you are.

0:32:240:32:26

I'm sorry.

0:32:300:32:31

Don't walk away!

0:32:330:32:35

-Don't threaten me.

-Look, I was asking you! Begging you.

0:32:370:32:40

-Don't come near me.

-Look, it wasn't me!

0:32:400:32:42

Leave me alone!

0:32:420:32:45

I'm not going to hurt you. I'd never hurt you.

0:32:450:32:48

Jade!

0:32:540:32:55

Fuck!

0:33:070:33:08

Dealing with our anger is about confronting the problem,

0:33:100:33:14

not the person.

0:33:140:33:15

You can solve a problem. You can't "solve" a person.

0:33:150:33:18

All right.

0:33:190:33:20

Um... Eddie.

0:33:230:33:25

What?

0:33:260:33:28

Do you have your list of stressful situations?

0:33:280:33:30

Yeah.

0:33:330:33:34

Are you ready to read them to the group?

0:33:340:33:36

Could I leave it today?

0:33:390:33:42

Not really, no.

0:33:420:33:43

Reporting to Paula.

0:33:590:34:01

Working at the garden centre and seeing Paula talking to my employer.

0:34:030:34:07

Paula going to see my girlfriend...

0:34:100:34:12

..and thinking what she was like before stresses me now.

0:34:150:34:18

Paula getting to know me.

0:34:200:34:22

Paula trusting me.

0:34:220:34:24

Paula taking me out for cake on my birthday, and making me feel like I mattered, for fuck's sake!

0:34:240:34:29

-Eddie...

-And now I don't!

0:34:290:34:30

And now I don't!

0:34:300:34:32

Leave, Paula!

0:34:320:34:33

I didn't lie to you, I confessed to you! And now you've taken my life away from me!

0:34:360:34:40

Is this how you protect the public?

0:34:400:34:43

Making me feel desperate! You said you couldn't keep punishing me!

0:34:430:34:47

-Get out, Paula!

-You!

-Paula!

0:34:470:34:49

-Get off me!

-Calm down!

0:34:510:34:52

-Get off me!

-Calm down.

0:34:520:34:54

All right!

0:34:560:34:57

I can't help it!

0:34:570:34:59

Get off me! Get off me!

0:34:590:35:01

EDDIE SOBS

0:35:010:35:04

Get off me!

0:35:060:35:08

All right...

0:35:080:35:10

You know why you don't believe me?

0:35:100:35:11

You're scared to!

0:35:110:35:13

You're scared!

0:35:130:35:15

You've got to recall him to prison.

0:35:170:35:19

-I'm not.

-He's kicked off on an anger management course, for fuck's sake!

-This was my fault.

0:35:210:35:25

Your fault? How's that?

0:35:250:35:27

I haven't managed a problem.

0:35:270:35:29

I've created one.

0:35:290:35:31

HE SHOUTS AND SCREAMS

0:35:360:35:40

Come on!!

0:35:430:35:46

Come on!

0:35:460:35:47

All right.

0:36:290:36:30

SHE SIGHS

0:36:310:36:33

Get ready to jump out.

0:36:360:36:38

If I get caught...

0:36:380:36:39

You won't.

0:36:390:36:41

Hi, Ian.

0:36:500:36:51

-Hi, Kelly, you all right?

-Yeah.

0:36:510:36:53

Oh, shit.

0:36:530:36:54

-I'll open the back door. Come out after three, yeah?

-Yeah.

0:36:580:37:02

One...

0:37:060:37:07

..two...

0:37:080:37:09

..three.

0:37:090:37:11

Hey.

0:37:150:37:16

We live inside Eddie's exclusion zone.

0:37:330:37:36

-Then we get in trouble, don't we?

-No-one saw.

0:37:360:37:38

And I want him to have his dinner here.

0:37:390:37:43

Hostel food, you know?

0:37:430:37:45

-Come on Abbey, please. Just a little bit, love.

-No!

0:37:470:37:50

Just... It's really good for you, go on. Cheers.

0:37:500:37:52

-That much, that's all.

-Put hairs on your chest.

-Yeah.

0:37:520:37:55

THEY LAUGH

0:37:550:37:56

I'm sorry about what happened last time.

0:38:000:38:02

When I run away.

0:38:030:38:05

-Your mum said she'd explained it to you.

-Yeah.

0:38:050:38:08

We know about the Whiteleys.

0:38:080:38:10

Just so you know, I'm not a weirdo.

0:38:120:38:14

THEY GIGGLE

0:38:140:38:15

Weirdos don't get girlfriends, do they?

0:38:150:38:17

Not bad, eh?

0:38:180:38:20

Her name's Jade.

0:38:200:38:21

Works at the garden centre where I used to.

0:38:210:38:23

Eddie, your probation officer told me...

0:38:230:38:26

She told me it's over.

0:38:270:38:28

Oh.

0:38:310:38:32

Well, it was, um...

0:38:340:38:36

It was good for a while, anyway.

0:38:370:38:39

-Why does she keep doing this to me?

-Eddie...

-Interfering and messing with everything!

0:38:460:38:50

Eddie, this was Paula's idea.

0:38:500:38:52

She knows you're not allowed here, but she said, "Ask him anyway,"

0:38:520:38:56

and she'd turn a blind eye.

0:38:560:38:58

Bitch feels guilty.

0:38:580:38:59

-Why?

-She told my girlfriend that I might kill her, you know? Jade believed her.

0:38:590:39:03

-I might as well delete her.

-Girls, why don't you just, um... just go outside for a bit, yeah?

0:39:030:39:09

I'm sorry.

0:39:220:39:24

HE SOBS

0:39:320:39:34

Eddie, I'm sorry.

0:39:500:39:51

Why? It weren't you.

0:39:540:39:55

Yeah, it was me.

0:39:550:39:57

Going on.

0:39:570:39:58

You know, asking you what you wanted to be, you know, innocent or free.

0:39:580:40:02

Well, when I see what this is doing to you, I...

0:40:020:40:04

-What? Give up already?

-Yes. Eddie, just retract it, all right?

0:40:040:40:08

Just say you only said it to make her think better of ya.

0:40:080:40:12

Or you couldn't handle the pressure of everyone judging you,

0:40:120:40:15

so you just made it up.

0:40:150:40:17

They'll change your risk level.

0:40:180:40:21

You'll be able to live better.

0:40:210:40:23

You saying there's no future in being innocent?

0:40:230:40:26

We're never going to be able to prove it.

0:40:300:40:32

HE SNIFFS

0:40:390:40:41

You know...

0:40:410:40:42

-When I came out I didn't think it would be so important, you know?

-Yeah.

0:40:450:40:49

It was all about the getting out.

0:40:490:40:50

Oh, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck, fuck!

0:40:530:40:56

HE SOBS

0:41:030:41:06

Hey...

0:41:090:41:10

SHE SOBS Stop, stop it. Stop it.

0:41:100:41:12

It's all right.

0:41:150:41:17

It was still a lovely dinner.

0:41:170:41:19

Come on.

0:41:270:41:28

I'll take you back to the hostel.

0:41:310:41:33

-KNOCKING

-Eddie...

0:41:370:41:39

If you don't open up, we'll come in anyway.

0:41:390:41:42

Will you give us a minute, Colin?

0:41:560:41:58

You've done your job OK.

0:42:120:42:13

I give in.

0:42:160:42:17

I'm no harm to anyone.

0:42:190:42:20

I'm defeated.

0:42:240:42:25

But you've won.

0:42:250:42:27

-You don't even have to send me back to prison.

-I want you to live in the world as a success story, Eddie.

0:42:310:42:35

But your success comes first, though, eh?

0:42:350:42:38

After all the disgrace you've had to live down.

0:42:400:42:42

We were doing all right, weren't we? You were an offender, guilty.

0:42:420:42:46

-Our relationship was based on that.

-And that you were guilty as well.

0:42:460:42:50

And then you said something different.

0:42:530:42:55

Spoiled it?

0:42:550:42:56

Look, I was honest with you because I thought you were being honest with me.

0:42:580:43:02

All I ever wanted was to be honest, Paula.

0:43:020:43:04

-What do you expect me to do now?

-Believe me.

0:43:100:43:13

But you can't, can you?

0:43:150:43:16

Because you think you might lose your grip if you do, become all the things they said you were.

0:43:160:43:21

So you got your hands round my neck.

0:43:210:43:24

I'm sorry.

0:43:320:43:34

I'll give in.

0:43:370:43:39

Make life easier for both of us.

0:43:400:43:42

Giving in wouldn't be honest, would it?

0:43:520:43:54

-The kitchen's still open.

-You should eat something.

0:44:030:44:06

-I'm not hungry.

-You'll waste away.

-Yeah.

0:44:060:44:09

-Good.

-Biscuits.

0:44:180:44:19

One for you.

0:44:250:44:26

One for me.

0:44:290:44:31

I suppose so.

0:44:410:44:42

Drugs don't work, mate.

0:45:110:45:13

You've heard about CBT? It's a...

0:45:140:45:17

-Well, it's therapy.

-They were trying it out in prison.

0:45:180:45:21

-On you?

-No, it was for the guys who were in a bad way.

0:45:210:45:25

I was OK.

0:45:270:45:29

In prison, anyway.

0:45:290:45:30

It gets you tackling your problems in the here and now

0:45:320:45:35

rather than the past and how it might still be affecting you.

0:45:350:45:38

Forget the past?

0:45:400:45:41

Let it go, Eddie. You can't improve what happened ten years ago.

0:45:420:45:46

All that matters is now, mate.

0:45:460:45:48

All right. I'll give it a go.

0:45:520:45:55

-I'll refer you as urgent.

-You're keener than me!

0:45:550:45:58

I always liked having you as a mate.

0:46:020:46:04

Separate to Darren and Glen and that.

0:46:040:46:06

If the clever boy liked me, I must have had something, you know?

0:46:060:46:10

And the cool boy didn't take the piss out of me.

0:46:100:46:13

People say, "Where'd it all go wrong?" I know exactly where.

0:46:130:46:17

Eddie...

0:46:170:46:18

I know. CBT.

0:46:180:46:21

One of my offenders is a guy called Eddie Mottram.

0:46:300:46:33

-Oh, yeah..?

-Exactly.

0:46:330:46:35

He's saying he's innocent now.

0:46:350:46:38

His sister came to see me with the same tale,

0:46:380:46:41

some nonsense about an appeal.

0:46:410:46:43

-Why do you think he'd change his story?

-How would I know?

0:46:430:46:45

I'm just asking anyone who had a professional involvement with him, that's all.

0:46:450:46:49

From what I remember he was saying "It wasn't me" after he was charged.

0:46:490:46:53

Then when the evidence was put to him he coughed and went quietly.

0:46:530:46:57

Did you ever believe he was innocent?

0:46:570:46:59

-That's beside the point.

-Is it?

0:46:590:47:02

Yes, it is. It's irrelevant.

0:47:020:47:05

I just went to see your solicitor.

0:47:270:47:29

Why? What did he say?

0:47:310:47:32

I think he thought you were innocent.

0:47:340:47:37

Right. But who cares, right? He obviously didn't.

0:47:390:47:42

-It's about what happens in a court of law...

-Why you telling me this?

0:47:420:47:45

-Why did you go out of your way to see him?

-I'm trying to be thorough.

0:47:470:47:50

Are you encouraging me to take it further?

0:47:500:47:53

-I'm not supposed to do that, am I?

-Do you believe me?

0:47:530:47:56

-I've got to go.

-No, no, no!

0:47:580:48:00

I'd just like your company. Forget all the other shit, all right?

0:48:030:48:07

Well, I'm not talking about football.

0:48:130:48:16

What was you like at school?

0:48:250:48:27

-Class monitor.

-I knew it! I knew you would be!

0:48:280:48:32

-Catholic girls school.

-Oh, dear me!

-What's wrong with that?

-Two hobbies - shagging and confession.

0:48:320:48:38

It was either lapse or keep your knees together so the Devil didn't get in.

0:48:380:48:42

What devil did you let in?

0:48:420:48:44

-Paul Macready.

-Then six Hail Marys?

0:48:440:48:46

Nice to be forgiven.

0:48:490:48:50

SHE CHUCKLES

0:48:550:48:57

What?

0:48:570:48:58

You've still got blood on your hands!

0:49:000:49:03

You disgust me.

0:49:060:49:08

Sentenced to six years for rape, released next week.

0:49:300:49:33

Pre-sentence report?

0:49:330:49:34

Admits to having regularly followed women home.

0:49:340:49:37

OASys assessment while in prison?

0:49:370:49:39

Attended all offending behaviour courses including victim empathy.

0:49:390:49:42

So classify as level two or three?

0:49:420:49:47

Level two and reporting to Paula.

0:49:470:49:51

Anthony Lansdown, ordered to serve a minimum 15 years for armed robbery.

0:49:530:49:59

Parole granted, acceptable risk. Marion?

0:49:590:50:03

Release date in three weeks.

0:50:030:50:04

Paula to visit next week, hand over with prison PO.

0:50:040:50:08

Eddie Mottram.

0:50:080:50:11

Still protesting his innocence?

0:50:110:50:13

Yes.

0:50:130:50:14

But I'm wondering if we couldn't bring his risk level down again.

0:50:140:50:18

Why should we make life easier for him?

0:50:180:50:20

He's suffering, that's all.

0:50:200:50:22

Becoming depressive.

0:50:220:50:23

What about the incident at the hostel, Paula?

0:50:230:50:27

I mean, he almost went for you.

0:50:270:50:29

THEY TALK

0:50:310:50:34

I don't believe this! Why do you want to see Pointer?

0:50:420:50:46

-I need to go...

-He nearly destroyed you!

0:50:460:50:48

Why do you want to punish yourself like this?

0:50:480:50:50

-Because I need to see him face to face.

-Just leave it, Paula!

0:50:500:50:53

-There's something else I can't leave.

-Which is what?

0:50:570:51:00

-Am I wrong about Eddie Mottram?

-This is about him?

0:51:000:51:02

You're going to put yourself through God knows what

0:51:020:51:05

to make your mind up about him?

0:51:050:51:08

Who is he to you all of a sudden?

0:51:080:51:10

Whee!

0:51:200:51:22

Harder!

0:51:220:51:23

You all right there?

0:51:250:51:27

What? You thinking you fancy it?

0:51:290:51:31

Being a dad? Yeah.

0:51:310:51:33

-You've got plenty of time.

-Do you reckon?

0:51:330:51:37

Yeah. You're still young.

0:51:370:51:38

Jade's even younger.

0:51:380:51:40

She's up the road, mate.

0:51:430:51:45

Why?

0:51:470:51:48

Truth come out?

0:51:500:51:52

The truth? Yeah. Kills everything in its path.

0:51:520:51:55

You've got my life, mate.

0:51:570:51:59

-He's lovely, isn't he?

-Yeah.

0:52:010:52:03

Wee-aw!

0:52:030:52:05

All right?

0:52:050:52:07

I'm sorry for the way things turned out, mate.

0:52:070:52:10

It's not your fault.

0:52:100:52:11

One night I had a row with Georgia because she'd been two-timing me,

0:52:110:52:15

the rest you know.

0:52:150:52:16

-Yeah, I know.

-What?

0:52:190:52:21

I know who she went with.

0:52:230:52:25

Who was it, Darren?

0:52:310:52:32

It's Ben Somers.

0:52:350:52:37

What?

0:52:370:52:38

Yeah, he had a big house, a nice voice and all that bollocks.

0:52:390:52:43

Woo-hoo. Whee!

0:52:500:52:52

He signed me up for this course to forget the past.

0:52:550:52:59

-Said the past didn't matter, let it go.

-No wonder.

0:52:590:53:03

I go inside and he waltzes off to uni.

0:53:030:53:05

Now he's your GP, looking after you. How messed up is that, eh?

0:53:050:53:09

-I'm sorry to be the one to tell you.

-How did you know?

0:53:090:53:12

-Doesn't matter.

-No Darren, tell me!

-She told me.

0:53:120:53:14

-Georgia?

-Yeah.

0:53:140:53:17

Him with his success, him with his "kindness" and giving me advice.

0:53:180:53:21

He's just watched me spill it all out while he's never said a word!

0:53:210:53:25

Eddie? Eddie!

0:53:250:53:27

Eddie.

0:53:410:53:43

You've been so good to me, haven't you? I've been so grateful.

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That someone like you, someone like you..!

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Why did you do it?! Eh? Why did you do it?!

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I didn't kill Georgia Whiteley!

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A 25-year sentence for something I didn't do

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and I'm telling the whole world now! I'm telling you all!

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Come on, mate, I hardly touched him.

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Just wanted him to know it weren't fair.

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Anyway, back to where I belong, yeah?

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SIRENS

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Well?

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I wanted to see what a murderer looks like, talks like.

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I've dealt with lots of people over the years who've killed.

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-You're the most memorable.

-And how's that?

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You fooled me more than anyone ever has.

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How come?

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I was sly.

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Did what was expected of me.

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You thought I was reliable.

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But I went under your radar, didn't I?

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I made sure.

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-Thank you.

-What for?

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-Am I being recalled?

-No, no charges have been pressed.

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He didn't want any unpleasantness.

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-You're being released.

-Oh, I'm free(!)

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Thank you.

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If you go after him again I will have to send you back to prison.

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-If it wasn't him it was someone, Paula.

-I know!

-You know?

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I believe you.

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I think you're innocent. I believe you, Eddie.

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Thank you.

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We've got to take it further.

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If you believe me, the law will.

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I was getting hopeful, you know, I was getting my hopes up,

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Started seeing myself having a life, having a different sort of reputation.

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-I haven't...behaved like someone who believes him.

-But do you?

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-Nothing happened.

-Think of all the risks you've taken for him!

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I've coughed up most of my soul to you since I came out

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and you sit there and tell me this interview is over.

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