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Cyfweliad â'r Comisiynydd Ewropeaidd dros Amaethyddiaeth a Datblygu Gwledig, Phil Hogan. Including an interview with the European Commissioner for Agriculture and Rural Developm...


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-Welcome to Ffermio.

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-I'm at Porth Meudwy near Aberdaron.

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-I'm about to cross the water

-to Bardsey Island.

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-We're heading there

-to speak to a young lady...

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-..who's been managing the island

-for six months.

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-Also on today's programme...

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-..Alun has been to meet a farmer

-who is having to diversify...

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-..as he will be losing 60%

-of his single farm payment by 2019.

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-We start with Meinir.

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-She's been to meet Phil Hogan...

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-..the European Commissioner for

-Agriculture and Rural Development...

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-..at a day organized by the NFU...

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-..to discuss the implications

-of remaining in and leaving the EU.

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-Phil Hogan's

-visit to Wales and Scotland...

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-..is a great chance for farmers to

-ask him about the consequences...

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-..of remaining in the EU

-and leaving.

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-I've at Goldsland Farm

-near Wenvoe, Cardiff...

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-..to shed some light on the matter

-before polling day on 23 June.

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-Although the Commissioner

-cannot give his opinion...

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-..the hope

-is that during the visit...

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-..he'll outline the facts

-about staying and leaving.

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-Farmers understand that it's very

-important to be able to trade...

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-..with countries, in respect

-of the products they produce.

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-We've high-quality sheep, lamb

-and beef here in Wales.

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-They have to have a market.

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-92% of sheep meat is exported

-to the EU and 93% of beef.

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-They get financial support

-from the EU...

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-..through

-the Common Agricultural Policy.

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-6.50 out of every 10 is the source

-of a farmer's income at the moment.

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-Farmers have stability

-in relation to their incomes...

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-..for the next four years.

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-There's no guarantee they'll get

-the same support from the Treasury.

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-What can we expect

-after the four years?

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-We have to review our Common

-Agricultural Policies in 2020.

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-In the meantime,

-I'll try to simplify it...

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-..and try to make it easier for

-the farmer and reduce regulations...

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-..and support commodities that are

-under pressure - dairy and pig meat.

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-These are the opportunities

-we have to work with...

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-..in terms of giving

-not just financial support...

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-..but market support

-and trading opportunities.

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-If the UK leaves the EU, you'll have

-to renegotiate trade agreements...

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-..with the 27 other member states

-and the 53 free trade agreements.

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-They take a long time, and it's

-important farmers realize that...

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-..if they want a market outlet

-for their very good-quality product.

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-In order to gauge

-farmers' opinions...

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-..we've travelled the length

-and breadth of the country...

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-..starting

-at Carmarthen's livestock market.

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-What worries me is the type

-of relationship we have with Europe.

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-Some people claim

-it's not a good one.

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-Perhaps if we remained,

-we wouldn't gain much.

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-I'm not sure at the moment.

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-You hear different stories

-of what to believe.

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-I'll have to decide soon.

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-I say leave.

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-The industry

-is currently in a bad state.

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-I don't think we would be

-any worse off if we left Europe.

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-The message coming from England...

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-..is that we put more money

-into Europe than we receive.

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-But in Wales, we receive

-850 million extra than we pay in.

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-On a Welsh level, not to mention

-on an agricultural level...

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-..it's vital that we remain.

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-If we don't get out, we're stuck

-with the way Europe is...

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-..and Europe deciding how we farm

-for the next 30 or 40 years.

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-We need to look at this

-as a leap into the light.

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-Let's get out

-for the benefit of agriculture.

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-My first instinct was to leave

-but I'm even more convinced now...

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-..after hearing Cameron

-and Osborne's rubbish.

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-I'm strongly for staying in the EU.

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-It's the biggest single market

-in the world.

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-Whatever business you're in...

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-..if you pull out of the

-largest market, it's a big mistake.

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-I am definitely in.

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-I think that everything

-that is important to my industry...

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-..is within Europe,

-and that's where we need to stay.

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-It's the largest economy

-in the world.

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-It's giving us access

-to 500 million consumers.

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-We cannot underestimate that.

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-We cannot underestimate that.

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-I think we should leave.

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-If you have a good product,

-somebody will want it.

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-Whether it's meat, milk or steel.

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-If you produce quality,

-it will always sell.

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-If they don't want it,

-it's easy enough for this country...

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-..to refuse to buy any produce

-from abroad.

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-It works both ways.

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-We're safer, with regards

-to discussions, if we stay.

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-Take South America, for example...

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-..20 countries in Europe

-have declared...

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-..they don't want

-South American lamb.

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-What did our government say?

-They didn't give their opinion.

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-That's what we'd be dealing with

-if we left Europe.

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-Norway trades in Europe,

-but they're not in the EU.

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-What's to stop us

-being in the same situation?

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-After listening to the Commissioner

-and speaking to him afterwards...

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-..I can only see the advantages.

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-Those who speak of the disadvantages

-of being in Europe...

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-..fall out of the argument

-when you discuss it with them.

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-Many of the problems

-come from Cardiff.

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-The problem is there.

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-We've heard one or two youngsters

-say we need more European rule...

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-..and I'd tend to agree.

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-More European rule

-and less from Cardiff.

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-That's my opinion.

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-I don't have a clue.

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-I'm not sure

-whether to stay or leave.

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-Does anybody know the answer?

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-Would things be worse

-than they are now?

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-There's no doubt of the uncertainty

-about what would happen if we left.

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-Especially because

-no concrete plans exist.

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-If we chose Brexit...

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-..do you think we'll be allowed

-to trade within the European market?

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-Would it be a free market or would

-there be hefty tariffs to pay?

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-There's nothing free.

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-The single market, like Norway

-and Switzerland, has to be paid for.

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-105 per head is what Norwegians pay

-for access to the single market.

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-They have no influence and must

-comply with the same regulations.

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-155 per head is what the UK pays

-but they have negotiating power.

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-They're able to influence the

-outcome of many of these policies.

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-These are the reasons that people

-will think long and hard about.

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-My job is to give the facts

-about what happens at the moment.

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-It's up to the people of Wales

-to decide.

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-You can't have an a la carte

-Common Agricultural Policy.

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-You're either in or you're out.

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-I've arrived

-on Bardsey Island safely...

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-..as one of the 2,000 visitors

-who come here each year.

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-I'm very much looking forward

-to chatting to Sian Stacey...

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-..the new manager of this island...

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-..where over 20,000 saints

-are apparently buried.

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-Hello.

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-Hello.

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-Hello.

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-Sian, I'm Daloni.

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-Welcome to Bardsey.

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-Welcome to Bardsey.

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-Thank you. It's wonderful here.

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-It's lovely.

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-It's lovely.

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-We have fine weather today.

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-Shall I get in?

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-Shall I get in?

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-Come in.

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-Thanks.

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-Sian, you live in paradise.

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-It's fantastic here.

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-It's fantastic here.

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-Yes.

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-Is it always like this?

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-Of course!

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-No, we had a very stormy,

-wet winter.

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-Days like this make up for it.

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-It sometimes feels like

-every day is like this.

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-Until the end of last year,

-you were living in Cardiff.

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-What made you turn your back

-on the big city...

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-..for the depths

-of the Lleyn Peninsula?

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-I was at a time of life where I felt

-I wanted a new challenge.

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-I was looking for something new.

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-Fortunately,

-my partner was living on Bardsey.

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-When the job came up,

-I felt I had to go for it.

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-How about giving it a go?

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-You beat over 300 other applicants.

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-That's what I've heard.

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-I've been very lucky.

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-It's been quite a challenge,

-but I've learned a lot.

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-It's great

-to live and work on Bardsey.

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-What does your work entail

-from day to day?

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-What's your timetable?

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-As island manager

-on behalf of the Trust...

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-..I'm responsible for looking after

-the houses and walking routes.

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-There's a lot of maintenance

-to do on the houses.

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-Painting and fixing things.

-Making sure everything works.

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-It's all my responsibility.

-There's a lot to consider.

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-I've got to-do lists everywhere.

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-How does the agricultural system

-work?

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-Who owns the sheep and cattle

-and who looks after them?

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-Gareth Roberts from Cwrt Farm

-on the mainland owns the livestock.

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-There's about 250 sheep here

-and about 25 cattle.

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-When they are big enough...

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-..they're taken off the island

-on Colin's large boat.

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-It's quite a big job.

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-Then they're on the farm

-when they arrive on the mainland.

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-I'm sure you've learned a lot

-over the last six months.

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-Yes, lots of new skills.

-It's been great.

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-People are always learning

-throughout their lives.

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-I've learned a lot

-over the past six months.

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-And a baptism of fire,

-with regards to the weather.

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-It's been awfully wet.

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-There's no hiding from the rain

-here.

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-It's hard work to maintain them

-and ensure everything's OK.

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-But that's what I am here to do.

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-Do you have enough electricity?

-Do you have a television?

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-I'm very lucky.

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-We have a solar power system

-which works well over the summer.

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-It's quite good in winter, but we

-have to watch which fridges are on.

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-What do you miss from the mainland?

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-Is there anything

-you can't live without?

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-I was worried

-that I'd miss loads of things.

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-Living in the city, seeing friends,

-going to the pub.

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-But when you're on Bardsey Island,

-everything disappears.

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-I've got good relationships

-with the islanders.

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-I get different pleasures

-out of living on the island.

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-How do you get your food?

-You can't cross when it's rough.

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-In the winter, it's difficult.

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-We've been very lucky.

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-We had to bring lots of tins

-and frozen food.

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-I've planted things in the garden...

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-..so I'm hoping they come through

-for winter.

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-Have you ever been stranded here?

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-Not yet.

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-We had three or four weeks when

-Colin couldn't cross on the boat.

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-That was fairly difficult,

-but we didn't need anything.

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-It was nice to receive the post.

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-On the whole, we like living here.

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-We don't feel as though we're tied

-to the island. It feels like home.

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-Now we're coming into summer.

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-It's going to be

-very different here.

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-It'll be busy with people.

-Every house will be full.

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-It's very different

-to just the four of us over winter.

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-That's all for now.

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-I can understand

-why Sian adores this place.

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-It's quiet and lovely.

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-It's glorious here today.

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-We'll be back on Bardsey Island

-in the second half.

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-See you in a minute.

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-Welcome back to Ffermio

-on Bardsey Island.

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-As you can see,

-it's beautiful and quiet here.

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-Alun, however, is at the centre

-of the hustle and bustle...

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-..of a new collection centre

-in Saron near Llanwnda.

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-With the Basic Payment...

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-..due to reduce considerably

-for many farmers in 2019...

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-..and all the doubt

-surrounding the EU referendum...

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-..farmers are concerned

-about the future.

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-However, here at Pengwern Farm,

-Saron, near Caernarfon...

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-..the farmer has acted

-and diversified within the industry.

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-After Welsh Country Foods

-folded in North Wales...

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-..Huw Jones spotted a chance to use

-his farm as a collection point...

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-..for lambs bound for the abattoirs.

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-The business is now going

-from strength to strength.

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-When did you open

-this collection centre?

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-This is the third year now.

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-We knew back then even

-that the grants were changing.

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-The Basic Payment.

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-The Assembly has now let us know

-the actual figures up to 2019.

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-The reduction in payment

-from 2015 to 2019 for me...

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-..is over 60%.

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-How much investment was needed?

-It won't have happened cheaply.

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-No. The shed was here before that.

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-We've had to change the interior

-completely.

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-We concreted the floors

-and put in iron gates.

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-That was for power washing.

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-The shed is a unit in itself -

-separate from the rest of the farm.

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-And a holding number?

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-Yes, the shed has one...

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-..and a farrier comes

-to check and license it every year.

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-And we also have to be part

-of the Red Tractor Initiative...

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-..to keep the food chain whole...

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-..with Assured Food Standards.

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-Diversifying within your

-given industry is quite unusual.

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-We're all supposed

-to stay in the industry...

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-..and try to squeeze

-some more profit out of the system.

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-I understood the message

-and saw an easy way of doing it.

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-All we do is take the lambs in.

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-Since January, the paperwork

-has got a bit trickier...

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-..with the electronic part of it.

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-I've had to learn

-how to use a computer.

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-It is coming.

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-Is there an increasing demand

-for the service?

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-Almost 15,000 lambs

-passed through here last year.

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-It's still growing at the moment.

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-As well as running

-the collection point...

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-..Huw also keeps 550 Mule sheep...

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-..and fattens around 100 cattle

-every year on his 142 hectares.

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-What is your policy

-on sheep on the farm?

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-We're cutting back a bit on sheep.

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-We're going with the Mule breed...

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-..because they produce the same

-number of lambs with fewer ewes.

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-We're trying it this year.

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-We don't know

-how they'll cope with the mountain.

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-We've already tried a group of them.

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-We have around

-120 Welsh Mules in the field.

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-They go up this afternoon.

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-You've cross-bred them

-with your own rams.

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-Yes, we've crossed them

-with our Texel rams.

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-My son keeps a few Texels

-and we thought we'd give it a go.

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-We buy a new ram

-every couple of years or so.

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-One person

-who deals a lot with Huw...

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-..is Dafydd Wyn Jones,

-a field officer for Dunbia.

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-He has years of experience buying

-stock and he's a willing adviser.

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-Tell us about your relationship

-with this collection point.

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-How did it start?

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-It started when the Dunbia bosses...

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-..asked me to find a site

-for a collection centre in the area.

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-After looking around,

-I decided Huw's place was perfect.

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-What inspired the search

-in the first place?

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-Were there problems on Anglesey?

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-We wanted everything to be legal and

-above board with the authorities.

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-We didn't want to have to make

-pick-ups on the roadsides.

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-We were trying to make life easier

-for the hauliers.

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-Today, our driver, Geraint Davies,

-has two collection points.

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-One on Anglesey and the other here.

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-The lorry will be full

-with 550 lambs. Job done.

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-How do you keep in touch

-with your customers?

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-The first thing I do is ring up Andy

-Finch in the abattoir in Preston.

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-Andy tells me what he wants,

-what kind he wants and the price.

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-Then I send out a text to the 150

-farmers I have on my mobile phone.

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-I send messages on Thursdays

-afternoons and Tuesdays mornings.

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-We collect here on Sunday

-and Wednesday mornings.

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-The phone starts ringing flat out

-ten minutes after I send the text.

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-It can be first come first served.

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-What's your price right now?

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-4.10 for large lambs...

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-..and a flat rate of 4.75

-on the smaller lambs under 15 kilos.

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-The lambs are sent to Preston...

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-..but where is the end

-of the journey for the meat?

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-The beauty of Preston is...

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-..they can take lambs

-from 8 kilos up to 21 kilos.

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-They go for export, supermarkets

-and to the ethnic trade.

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-They also go to

-butchers and wholesalers.

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-Can cattle come through

-this collection point too?

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-We do a lot of cattle,

-which goes to Preston and Sawley.

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-We have

-a Hereford cattle meat scheme...

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-..with the Co-op and Sainsbury's.

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-There's a substantial premium...

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-..on the animals that have

-a registered pedigree sire.

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-You're giving

-what the customer wants.

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-From the bleating of the lambs

-here at Saron...

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-..back to the perfect peace

-of Bardsey Island and Daloni.

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-Where are these

-20,000 saints buried?

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-The legend says it's 20,000.

-I don't really know.

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-They are all over the island.

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-A lot of them are said to be

-in this section of the island.

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-They might be

-under our feet right now.

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-No surprise then

-that the land looks so fertile.

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-It's very green here.

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-Considering we've had such a wet

-winter, everything looks very good.

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-Do you feel at home here?

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-Yes. Bardsey is my home now.

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-When I just cross to the mainland,

-I start to pine for it.

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-It's my home for now.

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-And this is where you'll stay?

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-And this is where you'll stay?

-

-I hope so.

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-A place where the soul can breathe.

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-Yes, perhaps, if there was time

-off work. I'm very busy here.

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-It is lovely.

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-Thanks for the chat and the welcome.

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-I hope you have a successful summer.

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-I'm headed back for the boat.

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-Goodbye.

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-Our time on Bardsey is over.

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-We're sailing back to the mainland.

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-If you would like

-to take a holiday on Bardsey...

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-..or volunteer to work there

-with Sian...

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-..you can do so by contacting

-the Bardsey Island Trust.

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-We're back next week when Alun will

-be on the Rhug Estate, Corwen...

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-..for the Royal Welsh Grassland

-Event that takes place on Thursday.

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-See you then.

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-Goodnight.

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Cyfweliad â'r Comisiynydd Ewropeaidd dros Amaethyddiaeth a Datblygu Gwledig, Phil Hogan. Including an interview with the European Commissioner for Agriculture and Rural Development.


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