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-Welcome to Ffermio.
-I'm at Porth Meudwy near Aberdaron.
-I'm about to cross the water
-to Bardsey Island.
-We're heading there
-to speak to a young lady...
-..who's been managing the island
-for six months.
-Also on today's programme...
-..Alun has been to meet a farmer
-who is having to diversify...
-..as he will be losing 60%
-of his single farm payment by 2019.
-We start with Meinir.
-She's been to meet Phil Hogan...
-..the European Commissioner for
-Agriculture and Rural Development...
-..at a day organized by the NFU...
-..to discuss the implications
-of remaining in and leaving the EU.
-visit to Wales and Scotland...
-..is a great chance for farmers to
-ask him about the consequences...
-..of remaining in the EU
-I've at Goldsland Farm
-near Wenvoe, Cardiff...
-..to shed some light on the matter
-before polling day on 23 June.
-Although the Commissioner
-cannot give his opinion...
-is that during the visit...
-..he'll outline the facts
-about staying and leaving.
-Farmers understand that it's very
-important to be able to trade...
-..with countries, in respect
-of the products they produce.
-We've high-quality sheep, lamb
-and beef here in Wales.
-They have to have a market.
-92% of sheep meat is exported
-to the EU and 93% of beef.
-They get financial support
-from the EU...
-the Common Agricultural Policy.
-6.50 out of every 10 is the source
-of a farmer's income at the moment.
-Farmers have stability
-in relation to their incomes...
-..for the next four years.
-There's no guarantee they'll get
-the same support from the Treasury.
-What can we expect
-after the four years?
-We have to review our Common
-Agricultural Policies in 2020.
-In the meantime,
-I'll try to simplify it...
-..and try to make it easier for
-the farmer and reduce regulations...
-..and support commodities that are
-under pressure - dairy and pig meat.
-These are the opportunities
-we have to work with...
-..in terms of giving
-not just financial support...
-..but market support
-and trading opportunities.
-If the UK leaves the EU, you'll have
-to renegotiate trade agreements...
-..with the 27 other member states
-and the 53 free trade agreements.
-They take a long time, and it's
-important farmers realize that...
-..if they want a market outlet
-for their very good-quality product.
-In order to gauge
-..we've travelled the length
-and breadth of the country...
-at Carmarthen's livestock market.
-What worries me is the type
-of relationship we have with Europe.
-Some people claim
-it's not a good one.
-Perhaps if we remained,
-we wouldn't gain much.
-I'm not sure at the moment.
-You hear different stories
-of what to believe.
-I'll have to decide soon.
-I say leave.
-is currently in a bad state.
-I don't think we would be
-any worse off if we left Europe.
-The message coming from England...
-..is that we put more money
-into Europe than we receive.
-But in Wales, we receive
-850 million extra than we pay in.
-On a Welsh level, not to mention
-on an agricultural level...
-..it's vital that we remain.
-If we don't get out, we're stuck
-with the way Europe is...
-..and Europe deciding how we farm
-for the next 30 or 40 years.
-We need to look at this
-as a leap into the light.
-Let's get out
-for the benefit of agriculture.
-My first instinct was to leave
-but I'm even more convinced now...
-..after hearing Cameron
-and Osborne's rubbish.
-I'm strongly for staying in the EU.
-It's the biggest single market
-in the world.
-Whatever business you're in...
-..if you pull out of the
-largest market, it's a big mistake.
-I am definitely in.
-I think that everything
-that is important to my industry...
-..is within Europe,
-and that's where we need to stay.
-It's the largest economy
-in the world.
-It's giving us access
-to 500 million consumers.
-We cannot underestimate that.
-We cannot underestimate that.
-I think we should leave.
-If you have a good product,
-somebody will want it.
-Whether it's meat, milk or steel.
-If you produce quality,
-it will always sell.
-If they don't want it,
-it's easy enough for this country...
-..to refuse to buy any produce
-It works both ways.
-We're safer, with regards
-to discussions, if we stay.
-Take South America, for example...
-..20 countries in Europe
-..they don't want
-South American lamb.
-What did our government say?
-They didn't give their opinion.
-That's what we'd be dealing with
-if we left Europe.
-Norway trades in Europe,
-but they're not in the EU.
-What's to stop us
-being in the same situation?
-After listening to the Commissioner
-and speaking to him afterwards...
-..I can only see the advantages.
-Those who speak of the disadvantages
-of being in Europe...
-..fall out of the argument
-when you discuss it with them.
-Many of the problems
-come from Cardiff.
-The problem is there.
-We've heard one or two youngsters
-say we need more European rule...
-..and I'd tend to agree.
-More European rule
-and less from Cardiff.
-That's my opinion.
-I don't have a clue.
-I'm not sure
-whether to stay or leave.
-Does anybody know the answer?
-Would things be worse
-than they are now?
-There's no doubt of the uncertainty
-about what would happen if we left.
-no concrete plans exist.
-If we chose Brexit...
-..do you think we'll be allowed
-to trade within the European market?
-Would it be a free market or would
-there be hefty tariffs to pay?
-There's nothing free.
-The single market, like Norway
-and Switzerland, has to be paid for.
-105 per head is what Norwegians pay
-for access to the single market.
-They have no influence and must
-comply with the same regulations.
-155 per head is what the UK pays
-but they have negotiating power.
-They're able to influence the
-outcome of many of these policies.
-These are the reasons that people
-will think long and hard about.
-My job is to give the facts
-about what happens at the moment.
-It's up to the people of Wales
-You can't have an a la carte
-Common Agricultural Policy.
-You're either in or you're out.
-on Bardsey Island safely...
-..as one of the 2,000 visitors
-who come here each year.
-I'm very much looking forward
-to chatting to Sian Stacey...
-..the new manager of this island...
-..where over 20,000 saints
-are apparently buried.
-Sian, I'm Daloni.
-Welcome to Bardsey.
-Welcome to Bardsey.
-Thank you. It's wonderful here.
-We have fine weather today.
-Shall I get in?
-Shall I get in?
-Sian, you live in paradise.
-It's fantastic here.
-It's fantastic here.
-Is it always like this?
-No, we had a very stormy,
-Days like this make up for it.
-It sometimes feels like
-every day is like this.
-Until the end of last year,
-you were living in Cardiff.
-What made you turn your back
-on the big city...
-..for the depths
-of the Lleyn Peninsula?
-I was at a time of life where I felt
-I wanted a new challenge.
-I was looking for something new.
-my partner was living on Bardsey.
-When the job came up,
-I felt I had to go for it.
-How about giving it a go?
-You beat over 300 other applicants.
-That's what I've heard.
-I've been very lucky.
-It's been quite a challenge,
-but I've learned a lot.
-to live and work on Bardsey.
-What does your work entail
-from day to day?
-What's your timetable?
-As island manager
-on behalf of the Trust...
-..I'm responsible for looking after
-the houses and walking routes.
-There's a lot of maintenance
-to do on the houses.
-Painting and fixing things.
-Making sure everything works.
-It's all my responsibility.
-There's a lot to consider.
-I've got to-do lists everywhere.
-How does the agricultural system
-Who owns the sheep and cattle
-and who looks after them?
-Gareth Roberts from Cwrt Farm
-on the mainland owns the livestock.
-There's about 250 sheep here
-and about 25 cattle.
-When they are big enough...
-..they're taken off the island
-on Colin's large boat.
-It's quite a big job.
-Then they're on the farm
-when they arrive on the mainland.
-I'm sure you've learned a lot
-over the last six months.
-Yes, lots of new skills.
-It's been great.
-People are always learning
-throughout their lives.
-I've learned a lot
-over the past six months.
-And a baptism of fire,
-with regards to the weather.
-It's been awfully wet.
-There's no hiding from the rain
-It's hard work to maintain them
-and ensure everything's OK.
-But that's what I am here to do.
-Do you have enough electricity?
-Do you have a television?
-I'm very lucky.
-We have a solar power system
-which works well over the summer.
-It's quite good in winter, but we
-have to watch which fridges are on.
-What do you miss from the mainland?
-Is there anything
-you can't live without?
-I was worried
-that I'd miss loads of things.
-Living in the city, seeing friends,
-going to the pub.
-But when you're on Bardsey Island,
-I've got good relationships
-with the islanders.
-I get different pleasures
-out of living on the island.
-How do you get your food?
-You can't cross when it's rough.
-In the winter, it's difficult.
-We've been very lucky.
-We had to bring lots of tins
-and frozen food.
-I've planted things in the garden...
-..so I'm hoping they come through
-Have you ever been stranded here?
-We had three or four weeks when
-Colin couldn't cross on the boat.
-That was fairly difficult,
-but we didn't need anything.
-It was nice to receive the post.
-On the whole, we like living here.
-We don't feel as though we're tied
-to the island. It feels like home.
-Now we're coming into summer.
-It's going to be
-very different here.
-It'll be busy with people.
-Every house will be full.
-It's very different
-to just the four of us over winter.
-That's all for now.
-I can understand
-why Sian adores this place.
-It's quiet and lovely.
-It's glorious here today.
-We'll be back on Bardsey Island
-in the second half.
-See you in a minute.
-Welcome back to Ffermio
-on Bardsey Island.
-As you can see,
-it's beautiful and quiet here.
-Alun, however, is at the centre
-of the hustle and bustle...
-..of a new collection centre
-in Saron near Llanwnda.
-With the Basic Payment...
-..due to reduce considerably
-for many farmers in 2019...
-..and all the doubt
-surrounding the EU referendum...
-..farmers are concerned
-about the future.
-However, here at Pengwern Farm,
-Saron, near Caernarfon...
-..the farmer has acted
-and diversified within the industry.
-After Welsh Country Foods
-folded in North Wales...
-..Huw Jones spotted a chance to use
-his farm as a collection point...
-..for lambs bound for the abattoirs.
-The business is now going
-from strength to strength.
-When did you open
-this collection centre?
-This is the third year now.
-We knew back then even
-that the grants were changing.
-The Basic Payment.
-The Assembly has now let us know
-the actual figures up to 2019.
-The reduction in payment
-from 2015 to 2019 for me...
-..is over 60%.
-How much investment was needed?
-It won't have happened cheaply.
-No. The shed was here before that.
-We've had to change the interior
-We concreted the floors
-and put in iron gates.
-That was for power washing.
-The shed is a unit in itself -
-separate from the rest of the farm.
-And a holding number?
-Yes, the shed has one...
-..and a farrier comes
-to check and license it every year.
-And we also have to be part
-of the Red Tractor Initiative...
-..to keep the food chain whole...
-..with Assured Food Standards.
-Diversifying within your
-given industry is quite unusual.
-We're all supposed
-to stay in the industry...
-..and try to squeeze
-some more profit out of the system.
-I understood the message
-and saw an easy way of doing it.
-All we do is take the lambs in.
-Since January, the paperwork
-has got a bit trickier...
-..with the electronic part of it.
-I've had to learn
-how to use a computer.
-It is coming.
-Is there an increasing demand
-for the service?
-Almost 15,000 lambs
-passed through here last year.
-It's still growing at the moment.
-As well as running
-the collection point...
-..Huw also keeps 550 Mule sheep...
-..and fattens around 100 cattle
-every year on his 142 hectares.
-What is your policy
-on sheep on the farm?
-We're cutting back a bit on sheep.
-We're going with the Mule breed...
-..because they produce the same
-number of lambs with fewer ewes.
-We're trying it this year.
-We don't know
-how they'll cope with the mountain.
-We've already tried a group of them.
-We have around
-120 Welsh Mules in the field.
-They go up this afternoon.
-You've cross-bred them
-with your own rams.
-Yes, we've crossed them
-with our Texel rams.
-My son keeps a few Texels
-and we thought we'd give it a go.
-We buy a new ram
-every couple of years or so.
-who deals a lot with Huw...
-..is Dafydd Wyn Jones,
-a field officer for Dunbia.
-He has years of experience buying
-stock and he's a willing adviser.
-Tell us about your relationship
-with this collection point.
-How did it start?
-It started when the Dunbia bosses...
-..asked me to find a site
-for a collection centre in the area.
-After looking around,
-I decided Huw's place was perfect.
-What inspired the search
-in the first place?
-Were there problems on Anglesey?
-We wanted everything to be legal and
-above board with the authorities.
-We didn't want to have to make
-pick-ups on the roadsides.
-We were trying to make life easier
-for the hauliers.
-Today, our driver, Geraint Davies,
-has two collection points.
-One on Anglesey and the other here.
-The lorry will be full
-with 550 lambs. Job done.
-How do you keep in touch
-with your customers?
-The first thing I do is ring up Andy
-Finch in the abattoir in Preston.
-Andy tells me what he wants,
-what kind he wants and the price.
-Then I send out a text to the 150
-farmers I have on my mobile phone.
-I send messages on Thursdays
-afternoons and Tuesdays mornings.
-We collect here on Sunday
-and Wednesday mornings.
-The phone starts ringing flat out
-ten minutes after I send the text.
-It can be first come first served.
-What's your price right now?
-4.10 for large lambs...
-..and a flat rate of 4.75
-on the smaller lambs under 15 kilos.
-The lambs are sent to Preston...
-..but where is the end
-of the journey for the meat?
-The beauty of Preston is...
-..they can take lambs
-from 8 kilos up to 21 kilos.
-They go for export, supermarkets
-and to the ethnic trade.
-They also go to
-butchers and wholesalers.
-Can cattle come through
-this collection point too?
-We do a lot of cattle,
-which goes to Preston and Sawley.
-a Hereford cattle meat scheme...
-..with the Co-op and Sainsbury's.
-There's a substantial premium...
-..on the animals that have
-a registered pedigree sire.
-what the customer wants.
-From the bleating of the lambs
-here at Saron...
-..back to the perfect peace
-of Bardsey Island and Daloni.
-Where are these
-20,000 saints buried?
-The legend says it's 20,000.
-I don't really know.
-They are all over the island.
-A lot of them are said to be
-in this section of the island.
-They might be
-under our feet right now.
-No surprise then
-that the land looks so fertile.
-It's very green here.
-Considering we've had such a wet
-winter, everything looks very good.
-Do you feel at home here?
-Yes. Bardsey is my home now.
-When I just cross to the mainland,
-I start to pine for it.
-It's my home for now.
-And this is where you'll stay?
-And this is where you'll stay?
-I hope so.
-A place where the soul can breathe.
-Yes, perhaps, if there was time
-off work. I'm very busy here.
-It is lovely.
-Thanks for the chat and the welcome.
-I hope you have a successful summer.
-I'm headed back for the boat.
-Our time on Bardsey is over.
-We're sailing back to the mainland.
-If you would like
-to take a holiday on Bardsey...
-..or volunteer to work there
-..you can do so by contacting
-the Bardsey Island Trust.
-We're back next week when Alun will
-be on the Rhug Estate, Corwen...
-..for the Royal Welsh Grassland
-Event that takes place on Thursday.
-See you then.
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Cyfweliad â'r Comisiynydd Ewropeaidd dros Amaethyddiaeth a Datblygu Gwledig, Phil Hogan. Including an interview with the European Commissioner for Agriculture and Rural Development.