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Mon, 27 Jun 2016

Cyfres gylchgrawn am faterion cefn gwlad. Countryside and farming magazine.


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-Hello and welcome to Ffermio.

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-The big vote has taken place...

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-..and Britain has decided

-to leave the European Union.

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-Prime Minister David Cameron

-will hand over the reins by autumn.

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-What will this mean

-for agriculture and rural areas?

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-I'm joined by a panel

-to discuss matters.

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-Brian Walters from FUW,

-Brexit backer Harri Lloyd Davies...

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-..and Wyn Evans from NFU Cymru.

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-A wide representative base...

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-..for an initial discussion

-about the future.

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-Congratulations, Harri.

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-Congratulations, Harri.

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-Thank you.

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-You backed the right horse.

-Did you expect this result?

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-I hoped for it,

-but I didn't expect it.

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-The night before,

-both Nigel Farage and Boris...

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-..had more or less conceded defeat.

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-I think the result

-came as a shock to everyone.

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-If I can turn to you, Wyn.

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-The question is, what went wrong?

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-Did you expect this result?

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-I have to say, it was close.

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-It wasn't unanimous.

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-48% of voters

-chose to remain in Europe...

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-..while 52% voted to leave.

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-It was quite close.

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-You can't say

-that the Brexit camp...

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-..has a clear mandate

-to do what it wants.

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-They have to remember the 48%

-that voted to remain in Europe.

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-Fair enough.

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-Brian, as a union that has always

-supported remaining in Europe...

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-..how disappointing is this for you?

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-It's a big disappointment.

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-Everything has changed now.

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-Politics has changed.

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-Personally, I do feel

-there's a chance now to move on.

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-There are new challenges

-that we must face.

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-We will have to work

-with the politicians.

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-This may be the Assembly's chance

-to make its mark and work for Wales.

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-They can't pass the buck and blame

-Europe, as they sometimes did.

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-It'll be their fault now if they

-don't have the right answers.

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-You referred there to the Assembly,

-to the Welsh government.

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-A Labour government, to all intents.

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-Do you think that the electorate

-realized that a Leave vote...

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-..would give more powers

-to the Assembly in Cardiff?

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-I'm not sure if many

-grasped the full implications.

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-But the Leave campaign's slogan

-was "Take Back Control".

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-That's clearly what people wanted.

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-Power closer to them,

-not in Brussels.

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-Ultimately, if AMs don't do

-a good job for agriculture...

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-..or any other field in Wales,

-we can throw them out.

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-We couldn't do that

-to the commissioners in Brussels.

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-We have more power

-to change things now...

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-..if we aren't happy

-with the way Wales is run.

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-The unfortunate thing,

-where the Assembly is concerned...

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-..rural areas

-have very little support there.

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-If things do go wrong for farmers...

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-..it's the South Wales Valleys

-that put Labour in power.

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-We will have to reconsider

-the Assembly's electoral system...

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-..to ensure more fairness

-for rural areas.

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-We as farmers

-will have to fight for money...

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-..against health boards,

-councils and so on.

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-It will be much harder

-for us to do that.

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-But if we do it properly...

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-..I think this is an opportunity

-for us in Wales...

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-..to get the right policies in place

-to boost our agriculture.

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-French and German farmers

-worked on our behalf, really.

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-We've lost that support now.

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-It'll be much harder to get money

-from London to the Assembly.

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-What about access

-to the European market?

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-A population of 500 million

-expecting our produce.

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-How can we sell there in future?

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-That will have to be

-discussed with Westminster.

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-I doubt Cardiff has the powers

-to hold those discussions.

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-But I'm firmly of the belief...

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-..that it's down to us as unions

-to be forthright with Westminster.

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-I do have worries about the market.

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-90% of our exports go to Europe.

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-That does worry me.

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-Yes, Westminster

-will conduct the negotiations.

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-It's important for Wales

-to have a strong voice there.

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-Farmers may not see changes

-for the next two or three years...

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-..but the work starts this week.

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-The work to ensure

-a strong voice for Wales starts now.

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-The dairy industry

-has been in crisis this past year.

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-Prices are moving a bit currently...

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-..but will this be an obstacle

-for us to export?

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-Maybe there'll be immediate tariffs.

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-The dairy industry

-also has multinational companies...

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-..like Arla and Muller,

-and Glanbia in Ireland.

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-There are a lot of questions.

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-Will they be able to continue

-to trade and buy our milk?

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-It'll be difficult.

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-Furthermore, 80% of the income

-of many Welsh farms...

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-..depends on European subsidies.

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-Will we get the same support

-from Westminster via Cardiff?

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-Subsidies can be a part

-of the discussions about tariffs.

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-Who will pay for the tariffs?

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-Will they come out of our subsidies?

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-Or will they come out

-of the industry directly?

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-That's a strong argument.

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-It was often said

-that the Single Payment...

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-..would be phased out

-within the next ten years.

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-That doesn't fill me with hope...

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-..that we'll get a similar level of

-money from London and the Assembly.

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-Do you see big changes

-in agriculture's structure?

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-We'll see big changes

-in the way payments will be made.

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-I'm sure we'll have to jump

-many more hurdles to get them.

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-One of the promises

-was to simplify bureaucracy.

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-Let us hear from Harri.

-That was one of the promises.

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-There'll be fewer hurdles

-and the money will be paid sooner.

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-It stays in Europe

-for six months now.

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-It'll be available sooner,

-with less red tape...

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-..and focused on where Welsh farmers

-need it, not under French control.

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-No government is keener than the

-Assembly on enforcing legislation.

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-The Assembly is...

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-The Assembly is...

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-But we can change the Assembly.

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-The Assembly is already...

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-Labour has been in power

-in Wales for 17 years.

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-We've tried to change it and failed.

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-But the unions

-have more power now...

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-..and have a better chance

-of changing things in Wales.

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-Is agriculture's representation

-and status in the Assembly...

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-..strong enough to face the future?

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-Not in my opinion.

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-The government has a lot of work

-to do, and that starts now.

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-We need an Agriculture Minister,

-quickly, to prepare for the changes.

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-Does anyone disagree?

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-I have to agree with Harri on that.

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-Vitally, we mustn't forget that 28%

-of rural GDP comes from agriculture.

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-I also completely agree.

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-We need a named representative

-to represent agriculture.

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-There we are, gentlemen.

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-An interesting discussion,

-with some fair and balanced debate.

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-All that's certain at the moment

-is that the future is uncertain.

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-We'll see what happens.

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-Over the coming weeks...

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-..we'll discuss the implications

-of leaving the EU.

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-As an antidote to all the talks...

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-..I've come to celebrate

-the best of Welsh produce...

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-..at the inaugural

-Dinefwr Food Festival.

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-Also on the programme, Meinir meets

-local man Rhodri Thomas.

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-He's trying his hand at farming,

-following in his family's footsteps.

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-The food festival is in full swing.

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-Everyone's taking the opportunity

-to market their local produce.

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-There's no-one better at that

-than Non Rhys.

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-I met her in Llandeilo recently.

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-She's an expert at transforming

-wild flowers and weeds...

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-..into a variety of food and drink.

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-Tast Natur was founded in May 2016.

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-It produces syrups and chocolates...

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-..flavoured with dandelion,

-nettle and lilac...

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-..that are sold across the country.

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-Where did your interest

-in wild plants come from...

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-..and how did you learn

-to utilize them?

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-I was brought up

-in the countryside.

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-Both sides of my family

-liked gardening.

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-I helped out in the garden.

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-I ate more than I helped, perhaps.

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-I enjoyed the produce and learnt

-that you could make something tasty.

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-We'd also pick blackberries

-in the hedgerows.

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-I kept discovering more and more

-ingredients that could be used.

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-It's great to combine what you grow

-with what's available in nature.

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-You reached a point where you knew

-you could make a business out of it.

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-Tell us about the brand Tast Natur.

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-It wasn't a big decision.

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-It just developed organically from

-something I've been doing for years.

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-I've always shared

-with friends and family.

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-People would ask

-if I produced goods commercially...

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-..and encouraged me to do so.

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-It developed gradually.

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-It feels like something

-that was meant to happen.

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-This is Mam-gu's garden

-where I helped as a child.

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-Dad-cu grew the vegetables

-and Mam-gu tended the flowers.

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-Dad-cu grew the food,

-Mam-gu grew the decorative stuff.

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-But so many flowers

-can be used as edible ingredients.

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-Let's investigate the riches

-around us in this garden.

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-Identifying the plants

-before picking them is crucial...

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-..as some can be poisonous.

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-I have a variety of rhubarb.

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-But I've kept stuff you'd usually

-get rid of, like nettles.

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-You can use the young leaves...

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-..before they seed,

-to make different things.

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-If you cut them back often,

-you can get two or three crops.

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-I also have cleavers over here.

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-Here's another old friend

-which is seen as a weed.

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-Yes, I've made syrup

-out of dandelion leaves.

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-I've brewed beer

-flavoured with nettles.

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-You can also make things

-with dandelion roots.

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-All these daisies are edible.

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-The centre and the leaves.

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-You have to be pretty organized.

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-You have to ensure

-that everything grows regularly...

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-..so that you can use them.

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-Outside, you're dependent

-on nature in the wild...

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-..and have to work around it.

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-In here, I have to make sure

-that I have a regular supply.

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-Everything here

-can be used or eaten.

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-I didn't expect to see dahlias.

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-They were originally grown as food.

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-The bit at the bottom

-that you can't see.

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-The Victorians decided

-that they were so pretty...

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-..that they'd grow them exclusively

-for the flowers.

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-There's always something new

-I want to try and have a go at.

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-You have to innovate as a business.

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-Non clearly has a wide-ranging

-knowledge of the plants around her.

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-She enjoys creating delicious

-delicacies out of nature's bounty...

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-..which is, of course, free.

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-Back here at the festival,

-Non has been busy all morning.

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-How are things going

-with what is quite a new enterprise?

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-Very well.

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-We've been busy doing workshops

-with children as well.

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-They're much better than adults

-at working out aromas and so on!

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-What's selling best this morning?

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-Things to go in gin!

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-Surprise!

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-And syrups to go on ice cream,

-now that summer's here.

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-Delicate flavours.

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-Lavender, cucumber, rhubarb as well.

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-Lavender, cucumber, rhubarb as well.

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-It sounds wonderful.

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-I'll let you go back

-to your customers.

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-Thank you.

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-That's all from Dinefwr

-for part one.

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-In part two, I'll be walking

-around some of the other stalls.

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-Join me again in two minutes.

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-Welcome back

-to the Dinefwr Food Festival.

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-These events are important...

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-..because the food and drink sector

-is a key part of the Welsh economy.

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-What did the visitors think?

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-It's a day out for the family.

-That's one of the first things.

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-The children are with us.

-There's something for everyone here.

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-We're members of the National Trust

-so it's free to come in.

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-I'm from Ceredigion

-so that's always appealing!

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-But these food festivals

-are growing every year.

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-There's nothing better

-to be had in West Wales.

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-Supporting local people, especially

-since we've come out of the EU.

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-We need to look after our own.

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-It's a very uncertain time

-for farmers.

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-It's important

-we look after local people.

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-I try to buy local produce. It's

-better than buying in supermarkets.

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-They'll hold this festival again.

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-Now that we're out of the EU,

-it's important to eat local food.

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-Although the Dinefwr Estate

-has a very rich history...

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-..it's also important to bring in

-new blood so that it develops.

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-That's exactly what's happening

-on the agricultural side.

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-They've employed a new apprentice.

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-These white cattle have been

-an inherent part of Dinefwr Park...

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-..since the 10th century.

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-To ensure they look

-their very best for the visitors...

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-..a team of organized and

-conscientious stockmen is needed.

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-Today, I'm here

-to meet a new member of the team.

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-Rhodri Thomas from Carmarthen

-is 32 years old.

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-He used to work for Mencap, helping

-people with learning difficulties.

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-But having seen Wyn Davies,

-warden of Dinefwr Park, at work...

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-..he decided to change direction

-and rekindle an interest in farming.

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-Why were you so eager

-to join the team here in Dinefwr?

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-I come from an agricultural family.

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-That has always been the case,

-and we have a small farm.

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-It was too good an opportunity

-to turn down.

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-Although you run a smallholding...

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-..how much did you know about the

-variety of animals here at Dinefwr?

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-Not a lot, to be honest.

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-We haven't kept animals

-like cattle for years...

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-..since the quotas came in.

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-This is an opportunity

-for me to test myself...

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-..working with the cattle and deer

-and with a proper farmer, Wyn...

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-..and to try to learn

-as much as I can.

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-How difficult is it

-to deal with deer?

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-We don't do too much for them.

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-We feed them in the winter

-and during the rut in October.

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-Unfortunately, you sometimes

-have to control the numbers.

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-Yes, for the well-being

-of the whole deer population...

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-..we have to control the numbers.

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-Having said that,

-we do sell the meat locally...

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-..here in the shop,

-at butchers in the town...

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-..and at local restaurants.

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-What better than to enjoy

-the produce of the estate itself?

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-Exactly.

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-Exactly.

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-Excellent.

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-The white cattle

-which graze on the park's fields...

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-..are a live reminder of its past.

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-Despite the importance

-of safeguarding them...

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-..a big change happened in 2012.

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-The whole herd

-was almost lost to TB.

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-Someone who remembers it well

-is the stockman, Wyn Davies.

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-We lost about half the herd.

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-We lost the bull first.

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-It was heart-breaking

-to see these beautiful cattle...

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-..some of the best we had...

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-..being put on lorries

-and taken away to be killed.

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-It is a terrible feeling.

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-I feel sorry for anyone

-going through that experience.

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-Was it difficult for you

-in terms of security...

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-..because you were still open

-to the public?

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-That's so true.

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-We try to keep the public

-away from the cattle...

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-..because of their nature

-and their big horns.

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-They will defend their calves.

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-No public footpaths

-go through the cattle.

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-Rhodri, this is all new to you.

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-How much of a challenge

-was it to deal with the cattle?

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-When I started the job, I wanted

-to know that someone like Wyn...

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-..would be here to show me how

-to handle them and to help me out.

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-It's all down to experience...

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-..and I must praise Wyn

-for keeping us all safe.

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-Wyn, these cattle's history

-is very interesting.

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-Yes, they are some of

-the rarest cattle in the world.

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-I feel as though Dinefwr

-is their spiritual home.

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-That's what I call it.

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-No matter where you go in the world,

-any white cattle like these...

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-..will have some element of Dinefwr

-in the bloodline.

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-There are only about 750 registered

-all over the world.

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-There are about 2,000 Holstein

-cattle around us here today.

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-But there are only 700-odd of these

-in the world!

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-Tell me about your relationship

-with Rhodri.

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-Is he a good apprentice?

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-Is he a good apprentice?

-

-He's excellent.

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-He's very enthusiastic.

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-He's very keen to learn.

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-He takes in information very well.

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-I'm confident he'll turn out well!

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-Will you be happy to pass on the

-responsibility to Rhodri one day?

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-Without a doubt.

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-It's great to see that young people

-are interested in the industry.

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-Rhodri,

-are you ready for this challenge?

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-Yes. I'm looking forward

-to the future.

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-As Wyn said, there's a lot

-of responsibility involved.

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-I have a lot of respect for Wyn...

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-..for what he's done here

-over the last 15 years.

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-I don't think anyone can replace him

-to be honest.

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-I can only try my best

-and learn from him.

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-I'll keep his mobile phone number

-handy to use him as a consultant!

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-After all the years of work

-and experience...

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-..what's the best advice

-you have to offer Rhodri?

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-Never lose heart.

-There will be many challenges ahead.

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-However, I feel that

-the best job in the world...

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-..is working in agriculture.

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-Rhodri has settled into his new job

-very well already.

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-Good luck to him.

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-Another person who's had a good day

-in Dinefwr is Hafina Evans.

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-Hafina,

-you're one of the organizers.

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-This is the first event of its kind.

-Where did you get the idea?

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-We've held a Christmas Fayre here

-for many years.

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-That's become a part

-of the community.

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-We thought it would be nice

-to pull people in over the summer.

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-It's a time when we sometimes

-don't have many visitors.

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-It's a help for the local community

-and brings people into the area.

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-That's how the idea developed.

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-How do you feel the day has gone

-so far?

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-It's gone really well.

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-I was a bit concerned first thing.

-It was raining heavily here.

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-The weather has improved

-and people came.

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-It's all going very well.

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-What are your hopes for next year?

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-Next year and the following years,

-hopefully!

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-We hope it will become

-an established event...

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-..just like the Christmas Fayre.

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-It looks great to me.

-Congratulations to you.

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-Thank you for your time.

-I know you're busy.

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-At the moment!

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-The first food festival here

-has certainly been a success.

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-Best wishes to them for the future.

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-That's it from Dinefwr Park and the

-range of Welsh foods available here.

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-We'll be back

-at the same time next week...

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-..when Meinir will visit

-the Welsh Game Fair.

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-Until then, goodbye.

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