Mon, 27 Jun 2016 Ffermio

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-Hello and welcome to Ffermio.

-The big vote has taken place...

-..and Britain has decided

-to leave the European Union.

-Prime Minister David Cameron

-will hand over the reins by autumn.

-What will this mean

-for agriculture and rural areas?

-I'm joined by a panel

-to discuss matters.

-Brian Walters from FUW,

-Brexit backer Harri Lloyd Davies...

-..and Wyn Evans from NFU Cymru.

-A wide representative base...

-..for an initial discussion

-about the future.

-Congratulations, Harri.

-Congratulations, Harri.

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-Thank you.

-You backed the right horse.

-Did you expect this result?

-I hoped for it,

-but I didn't expect it.

-The night before,

-both Nigel Farage and Boris...

-..had more or less conceded defeat.

-I think the result

-came as a shock to everyone.

-If I can turn to you, Wyn.

-The question is, what went wrong?

-Did you expect this result?

-I have to say, it was close.

-It wasn't unanimous.

-48% of voters

-chose to remain in Europe...

-..while 52% voted to leave.

-It was quite close.

-You can't say

-that the Brexit camp...

-..has a clear mandate

-to do what it wants.

-They have to remember the 48%

-that voted to remain in Europe.

-Fair enough.

-Brian, as a union that has always

-supported remaining in Europe...

-..how disappointing is this for you?

-It's a big disappointment.

-Everything has changed now.

-Politics has changed.

-Personally, I do feel

-there's a chance now to move on.

-There are new challenges

-that we must face.

-We will have to work

-with the politicians.

-This may be the Assembly's chance

-to make its mark and work for Wales.

-They can't pass the buck and blame

-Europe, as they sometimes did.

-It'll be their fault now if they

-don't have the right answers.

-You referred there to the Assembly,

-to the Welsh government.

-A Labour government, to all intents.

-Do you think that the electorate

-realized that a Leave vote...

-..would give more powers

-to the Assembly in Cardiff?

-I'm not sure if many

-grasped the full implications.

-But the Leave campaign's slogan

-was "Take Back Control".

-That's clearly what people wanted.

-Power closer to them,

-not in Brussels.

-Ultimately, if AMs don't do

-a good job for agriculture...

-..or any other field in Wales,

-we can throw them out.

-We couldn't do that

-to the commissioners in Brussels.

-We have more power

-to change things now...

-..if we aren't happy

-with the way Wales is run.

-The unfortunate thing,

-where the Assembly is concerned...

-..rural areas

-have very little support there.

-If things do go wrong for farmers...

-..it's the South Wales Valleys

-that put Labour in power.

-We will have to reconsider

-the Assembly's electoral system...

-..to ensure more fairness

-for rural areas.

-We as farmers

-will have to fight for money...

-..against health boards,

-councils and so on.

-It will be much harder

-for us to do that.

-But if we do it properly...

-..I think this is an opportunity

-for us in Wales...

-..to get the right policies in place

-to boost our agriculture.

-French and German farmers

-worked on our behalf, really.

-We've lost that support now.

-It'll be much harder to get money

-from London to the Assembly.

-What about access

-to the European market?

-A population of 500 million

-expecting our produce.

-How can we sell there in future?

-That will have to be

-discussed with Westminster.

-I doubt Cardiff has the powers

-to hold those discussions.

-But I'm firmly of the belief...

-..that it's down to us as unions

-to be forthright with Westminster.

-I do have worries about the market.

-90% of our exports go to Europe.

-That does worry me.

-Yes, Westminster

-will conduct the negotiations.

-It's important for Wales

-to have a strong voice there.

-Farmers may not see changes

-for the next two or three years...

-..but the work starts this week.

-The work to ensure

-a strong voice for Wales starts now.

-The dairy industry

-has been in crisis this past year.

-Prices are moving a bit currently...

-..but will this be an obstacle

-for us to export?

-Maybe there'll be immediate tariffs.

-The dairy industry

-also has multinational companies...

-..like Arla and Muller,

-and Glanbia in Ireland.

-There are a lot of questions.

-Will they be able to continue

-to trade and buy our milk?

-It'll be difficult.

-Furthermore, 80% of the income

-of many Welsh farms...

-..depends on European subsidies.

-Will we get the same support

-from Westminster via Cardiff?

-Subsidies can be a part

-of the discussions about tariffs.

-Who will pay for the tariffs?

-Will they come out of our subsidies?

-Or will they come out

-of the industry directly?

-That's a strong argument.

-It was often said

-that the Single Payment...

-..would be phased out

-within the next ten years.

-That doesn't fill me with hope...

-..that we'll get a similar level of

-money from London and the Assembly.

-Do you see big changes

-in agriculture's structure?

-We'll see big changes

-in the way payments will be made.

-I'm sure we'll have to jump

-many more hurdles to get them.

-One of the promises

-was to simplify bureaucracy.

-Let us hear from Harri.

-That was one of the promises.

-There'll be fewer hurdles

-and the money will be paid sooner.

-It stays in Europe

-for six months now.

-It'll be available sooner,

-with less red tape...

-..and focused on where Welsh farmers

-need it, not under French control.

-No government is keener than the

-Assembly on enforcing legislation.

-The Assembly is...

-The Assembly is...

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-But we can change the Assembly.

-The Assembly is already...

-Labour has been in power

-in Wales for 17 years.

-We've tried to change it and failed.

-But the unions

-have more power now...

-..and have a better chance

-of changing things in Wales.

-Is agriculture's representation

-and status in the Assembly...

-..strong enough to face the future?

-Not in my opinion.

-The government has a lot of work

-to do, and that starts now.

-We need an Agriculture Minister,

-quickly, to prepare for the changes.

-Does anyone disagree?

-I have to agree with Harri on that.

-Vitally, we mustn't forget that 28%

-of rural GDP comes from agriculture.

-I also completely agree.

-We need a named representative

-to represent agriculture.

-There we are, gentlemen.

-An interesting discussion,

-with some fair and balanced debate.

-All that's certain at the moment

-is that the future is uncertain.

-We'll see what happens.

-Over the coming weeks...

-..we'll discuss the implications

-of leaving the EU.

-As an antidote to all the talks...

-..I've come to celebrate

-the best of Welsh produce...

-..at the inaugural

-Dinefwr Food Festival.

-Also on the programme, Meinir meets

-local man Rhodri Thomas.

-He's trying his hand at farming,

-following in his family's footsteps.

-The food festival is in full swing.

-Everyone's taking the opportunity

-to market their local produce.

-There's no-one better at that

-than Non Rhys.

-I met her in Llandeilo recently.

-She's an expert at transforming

-wild flowers and weeds...

-..into a variety of food and drink.

-Tast Natur was founded in May 2016.

-It produces syrups and chocolates...

-..flavoured with dandelion,

-nettle and lilac...

-..that are sold across the country.

-Where did your interest

-in wild plants come from...

-..and how did you learn

-to utilize them?

-I was brought up

-in the countryside.

-Both sides of my family

-liked gardening.

-I helped out in the garden.

-I ate more than I helped, perhaps.

-I enjoyed the produce and learnt

-that you could make something tasty.

-We'd also pick blackberries

-in the hedgerows.

-I kept discovering more and more

-ingredients that could be used.

-It's great to combine what you grow

-with what's available in nature.

-You reached a point where you knew

-you could make a business out of it.

-Tell us about the brand Tast Natur.

-It wasn't a big decision.

-It just developed organically from

-something I've been doing for years.

-I've always shared

-with friends and family.

-People would ask

-if I produced goods commercially...

-..and encouraged me to do so.

-It developed gradually.

-It feels like something

-that was meant to happen.

-This is Mam-gu's garden

-where I helped as a child.

-Dad-cu grew the vegetables

-and Mam-gu tended the flowers.

-Dad-cu grew the food,

-Mam-gu grew the decorative stuff.

-But so many flowers

-can be used as edible ingredients.

-Let's investigate the riches

-around us in this garden.

-Identifying the plants

-before picking them is crucial...

-..as some can be poisonous.

-I have a variety of rhubarb.

-But I've kept stuff you'd usually

-get rid of, like nettles.

-You can use the young leaves...

-..before they seed,

-to make different things.

-If you cut them back often,

-you can get two or three crops.

-I also have cleavers over here.

-Here's another old friend

-which is seen as a weed.

-Yes, I've made syrup

-out of dandelion leaves.

-I've brewed beer

-flavoured with nettles.

-You can also make things

-with dandelion roots.

-All these daisies are edible.

-The centre and the leaves.

-You have to be pretty organized.

-You have to ensure

-that everything grows regularly...

-..so that you can use them.

-Outside, you're dependent

-on nature in the wild...

-..and have to work around it.

-In here, I have to make sure

-that I have a regular supply.

-Everything here

-can be used or eaten.

-I didn't expect to see dahlias.

-They were originally grown as food.

-The bit at the bottom

-that you can't see.

-The Victorians decided

-that they were so pretty...

-..that they'd grow them exclusively

-for the flowers.

-There's always something new

-I want to try and have a go at.

-You have to innovate as a business.

-Non clearly has a wide-ranging

-knowledge of the plants around her.

-She enjoys creating delicious

-delicacies out of nature's bounty...

-..which is, of course, free.

-Back here at the festival,

-Non has been busy all morning.

-How are things going

-with what is quite a new enterprise?

-Very well.

-We've been busy doing workshops

-with children as well.

-They're much better than adults

-at working out aromas and so on!

-What's selling best this morning?

-Things to go in gin!

-Surprise!

-And syrups to go on ice cream,

-now that summer's here.

-Delicate flavours.

-Lavender, cucumber, rhubarb as well.

-Lavender, cucumber, rhubarb as well.

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-It sounds wonderful.

-I'll let you go back

-to your customers.

-Thank you.

-That's all from Dinefwr

-for part one.

-In part two, I'll be walking

-around some of the other stalls.

-Join me again in two minutes.

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-Welcome back

-to the Dinefwr Food Festival.

-These events are important...

-..because the food and drink sector

-is a key part of the Welsh economy.

-What did the visitors think?

-It's a day out for the family.

-That's one of the first things.

-The children are with us.

-There's something for everyone here.

-We're members of the National Trust

-so it's free to come in.

-I'm from Ceredigion

-so that's always appealing!

-But these food festivals

-are growing every year.

-There's nothing better

-to be had in West Wales.

-Supporting local people, especially

-since we've come out of the EU.

-We need to look after our own.

-It's a very uncertain time

-for farmers.

-It's important

-we look after local people.

-I try to buy local produce. It's

-better than buying in supermarkets.

-They'll hold this festival again.

-Now that we're out of the EU,

-it's important to eat local food.

-Although the Dinefwr Estate

-has a very rich history...

-..it's also important to bring in

-new blood so that it develops.

-That's exactly what's happening

-on the agricultural side.

-They've employed a new apprentice.

-These white cattle have been

-an inherent part of Dinefwr Park...

-..since the 10th century.

-To ensure they look

-their very best for the visitors...

-..a team of organized and

-conscientious stockmen is needed.

-Today, I'm here

-to meet a new member of the team.

-Rhodri Thomas from Carmarthen

-is 32 years old.

-He used to work for Mencap, helping

-people with learning difficulties.

-But having seen Wyn Davies,

-warden of Dinefwr Park, at work...

-..he decided to change direction

-and rekindle an interest in farming.

-Why were you so eager

-to join the team here in Dinefwr?

-I come from an agricultural family.

-That has always been the case,

-and we have a small farm.

-It was too good an opportunity

-to turn down.

-Although you run a smallholding...

-..how much did you know about the

-variety of animals here at Dinefwr?

-Not a lot, to be honest.

-We haven't kept animals

-like cattle for years...

-..since the quotas came in.

-This is an opportunity

-for me to test myself...

-..working with the cattle and deer

-and with a proper farmer, Wyn...

-..and to try to learn

-as much as I can.

-How difficult is it

-to deal with deer?

-We don't do too much for them.

-We feed them in the winter

-and during the rut in October.

-Unfortunately, you sometimes

-have to control the numbers.

-Yes, for the well-being

-of the whole deer population...

-..we have to control the numbers.

-Having said that,

-we do sell the meat locally...

-..here in the shop,

-at butchers in the town...

-..and at local restaurants.

-What better than to enjoy

-the produce of the estate itself?

-Exactly.

-Exactly.

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-Excellent.

-The white cattle

-which graze on the park's fields...

-..are a live reminder of its past.

-Despite the importance

-of safeguarding them...

-..a big change happened in 2012.

-The whole herd

-was almost lost to TB.

-Someone who remembers it well

-is the stockman, Wyn Davies.

-We lost about half the herd.

-We lost the bull first.

-It was heart-breaking

-to see these beautiful cattle...

-..some of the best we had...

-..being put on lorries

-and taken away to be killed.

-It is a terrible feeling.

-I feel sorry for anyone

-going through that experience.

-Was it difficult for you

-in terms of security...

-..because you were still open

-to the public?

-That's so true.

-We try to keep the public

-away from the cattle...

-..because of their nature

-and their big horns.

-They will defend their calves.

-No public footpaths

-go through the cattle.

-Rhodri, this is all new to you.

-How much of a challenge

-was it to deal with the cattle?

-When I started the job, I wanted

-to know that someone like Wyn...

-..would be here to show me how

-to handle them and to help me out.

-It's all down to experience...

-..and I must praise Wyn

-for keeping us all safe.

-Wyn, these cattle's history

-is very interesting.

-Yes, they are some of

-the rarest cattle in the world.

-I feel as though Dinefwr

-is their spiritual home.

-That's what I call it.

-No matter where you go in the world,

-any white cattle like these...

-..will have some element of Dinefwr

-in the bloodline.

-There are only about 750 registered

-all over the world.

-There are about 2,000 Holstein

-cattle around us here today.

-But there are only 700-odd of these

-in the world!

-Tell me about your relationship

-with Rhodri.

-Is he a good apprentice?

-Is he a good apprentice?

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-He's excellent.

-He's very enthusiastic.

-He's very keen to learn.

-He takes in information very well.

-I'm confident he'll turn out well!

-Will you be happy to pass on the

-responsibility to Rhodri one day?

-Without a doubt.

-It's great to see that young people

-are interested in the industry.

-Rhodri,

-are you ready for this challenge?

-Yes. I'm looking forward

-to the future.

-As Wyn said, there's a lot

-of responsibility involved.

-I have a lot of respect for Wyn...

-..for what he's done here

-over the last 15 years.

-I don't think anyone can replace him

-to be honest.

-I can only try my best

-and learn from him.

-I'll keep his mobile phone number

-handy to use him as a consultant!

-After all the years of work

-and experience...

-..what's the best advice

-you have to offer Rhodri?

-Never lose heart.

-There will be many challenges ahead.

-However, I feel that

-the best job in the world...

-..is working in agriculture.

-Rhodri has settled into his new job

-very well already.

-Good luck to him.

-Another person who's had a good day

-in Dinefwr is Hafina Evans.

-Hafina,

-you're one of the organizers.

-This is the first event of its kind.

-Where did you get the idea?

-We've held a Christmas Fayre here

-for many years.

-That's become a part

-of the community.

-We thought it would be nice

-to pull people in over the summer.

-It's a time when we sometimes

-don't have many visitors.

-It's a help for the local community

-and brings people into the area.

-That's how the idea developed.

-How do you feel the day has gone

-so far?

-It's gone really well.

-I was a bit concerned first thing.

-It was raining heavily here.

-The weather has improved

-and people came.

-It's all going very well.

-What are your hopes for next year?

-Next year and the following years,

-hopefully!

-We hope it will become

-an established event...

-..just like the Christmas Fayre.

-It looks great to me.

-Congratulations to you.

-Thank you for your time.

-I know you're busy.

-At the moment!

-The first food festival here

-has certainly been a success.

-Best wishes to them for the future.

-That's it from Dinefwr Park and the

-range of Welsh foods available here.

-We'll be back

-at the same time next week...

-..when Meinir will visit

-the Welsh Game Fair.

-Until then, goodbye.

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