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Heir hunters track down families of people who have died without leaving a will. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
They hand over thousands of pounds to the long-lost relatives, | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
who had no idea they were in line for a windfall. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:14 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
On today's programme, | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
the heir hunters encounter an astounding tale of courage | 0:00:36 | 0:00:39 | |
from a Jewish family who fought to survive the Nazi genocide. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:44 | |
I've dealt with a lot of cases like this and yours is unique. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:48 | |
And the hunt is on to find heirs for a reclusive man who left an estate of £30,000. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:56 | |
From that incident, it's almost like he closed himself off to the world. | 0:00:56 | 0:01:00 | |
And we'll have details of some of the hundreds of unclaimed estates. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:04 | |
Could you be in line for a windfall? | 0:01:04 | 0:01:08 | |
More than two thirds of people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
If they have no obvious relatives, their money goes to the Government, | 0:01:11 | 0:01:15 | |
who last year made a staggering £18 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
That's where the heir hunters step in. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
Which is why the cousins, such as you, end up inheriting. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
There are more than 30 heir-hunting companies | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
who, for a share of the estate, | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
make it their business to track down the rightful kin. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
Last year, they claimed back £6.5 million for unsuspecting heirs | 0:01:38 | 0:01:42 | |
who would otherwise have gone empty-handed. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
You can see the smile on the beneficiary's face | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
as they know they're going to receive sometimes tens or hundreds of thousands of pounds. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
A real life-changing event when that cheque finally does drop on their doorstep. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
It's Friday morning at Fraser & Fraser, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
one of the oldest heir-hunting companies in the country. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
Case manager Bob Smith is working on tracing heirs for a man who died earlier this year. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:13 | |
I have a case here which has been referred to us by a solicitor | 0:02:13 | 0:02:18 | |
of a gentleman by the name of Ronald Millar. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
They only information they could glean from the papers and correspondence at Mr Millar's home | 0:02:21 | 0:02:27 | |
was that he may have had a relation by the name of Povey or Govey, | 0:02:27 | 0:02:32 | |
but we don't know quite how that family member ties in. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
Cases like Ronald Millar's, which come from solicitor referrals, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
account for more than half of the heir hunters' business. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
While there isn't the same worry about the competition | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
as with the Treasury cases, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:49 | |
the aim is still the same - finding entitled heirs. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
Ronald Millar died aged 80 in Edgware on the outskirts of London. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
He was a private man whose main contact with the outside world | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
was from volunteers who helped with his shopping and banking. | 0:03:06 | 0:03:10 | |
John Wilks is the director of the Friend In Need community centre | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
who visit old and disabled people in the local area. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
Ron was generous and warm-hearted from the point of view that | 0:03:18 | 0:03:22 | |
he would support charities regularly during each month. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:26 | |
The World Wildlife sticker on the door, so we can presume it was that one, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:33 | |
and something like the Cats Protection League and one or two other animal charities. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:38 | |
And he had these cats. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:40 | |
When we got involved, | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
there were just four and then the occasional strays. | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
No stray was ever turned away. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
It was always given a welcome. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:49 | |
Four years before Ronald died, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
a shocking event meant that he would never leave the house again. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:56 | |
The big change that occurred in Ron's life | 0:03:56 | 0:04:00 | |
was coming back from work... from getting his pension one day, | 0:04:00 | 0:04:04 | |
he found his door kicked in and the burglar still inside. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
From that moment, he never left the house. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:10 | |
His neighbour said he was always out and about prior to this incident with the burglars. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
You know, he was looking after himself. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
But from that incident, it's almost like he closed himself off to the world. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:22 | |
Shut inside his house, Ronald relied on volunteer help | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
to run errands, but he remained financially independent. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:30 | |
He wasn't short of money and was pretty comfortable. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:34 | |
I'm told there's an estate of at least £30,000. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
Ronald never wrote a will so his estimated £30,000 | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
will all go to the Government if no heirs can be traced. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
Genealogists start their research by looking for birth, | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
death and marriage records of the person who has died. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
They can use the dates and names on them to start building up | 0:05:00 | 0:05:03 | |
layers of a family tree, which can lead to heirs. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
While the office can do a certain amount of research from their desks, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
they are also calling on the help of travelling researcher Ewart Lindsay. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
He's been sent to Edgware to see what he can find out from any of Ronald's friends or neighbours. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:24 | |
I've just spoken to Bob in the office | 0:05:24 | 0:05:26 | |
and he's now given me the name of the deceased. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
His name was Ronald Millar. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
He died on the 6th of February 2009. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
While Ewart is making his way to North London, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
in the office, Bob has received Ronald's birth certificate. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
It will allow them to cross-reference his place of birth | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
and parents' names with records for other potential family members. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
Now that we've got the right birth certificate of our deceased, | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
we've also been able to, um... | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
establish that the deceased had a brother, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
Frederick Ramsey Millar. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
Finding a brother is great news but there may be even closer family. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:13 | |
They still don't know who the Govey relative is | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
that they've been told about. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:17 | |
If it was a child of Ronald's, they would inherit before his brother. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:21 | |
Back in Edgware, the neighbour enquiries have come to nothing, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:25 | |
but Ewart's detective work has led him to the phone number of a carer who knew Ronald. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:30 | |
We're trying to find out some information about the deceased. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
First of all, if he was married, did he have any children, you know, et cetera? | 0:06:35 | 0:06:42 | |
Unmarried, lived on his own ever since his mother and father died. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:45 | |
There's apparently mention of a David Govey. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
That's the name of David Govey, as a nephew. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:53 | |
You would assume, if David Govey was a child of Ron Millar's brother, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:58 | |
that the surname would be Millar, wouldn't you? | 0:06:58 | 0:07:01 | |
And there was a vague possibility that there may have been a niece, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
so there could have been a daughter. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
It's been a useful call, and Ewart is quick to pass the news | 0:07:07 | 0:07:12 | |
on to the office so they can search for Ronald's brother's children. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
There's still the mystery of why they might be called Govey | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
rather than Millar, | 0:07:20 | 0:07:21 | |
so Bob is enlisting some help to get to the bottom of it. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
Who is doing the research on Millar? | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
-Can I hand some information over to you? Is that all right? -Sure. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
Ewart's done an enquiry. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:37 | |
He did have a brother - yeah? - who died when he was very young | 0:07:37 | 0:07:42 | |
but was married and had two kids, and that could be possibly that relation David Govey. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:48 | |
So he dies young and then... | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
Yeah, the two kids may be adopted or assumed maybe a second father's... | 0:07:50 | 0:07:56 | |
you know, second marriage father's name. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
-All right? -Yeah. -So I'll leave that with you. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
-Cheers. -All right? Just let me know when you get something, yeah? Cheers. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
While Gareth tries to find a marriage and any family records for Ronald's brother and his children, | 0:08:07 | 0:08:12 | |
Bob also needs to get some evidence to back up what he's been told. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:18 | |
In our line of work, you have to deal with facts - | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
certificates that prove relationships rather than hearsay from family members or friends, you know. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:25 | |
The team knows that Ronald's brother's birth certificate | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
is in Camden which is only a few miles away from where Ewart is. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
If he can get it, it will help them prove they're onto the right family. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:36 | |
-PHONE RINGS -Hello. -'Listen, mate,' | 0:08:36 | 0:08:40 | |
-I know you're on your way to Enfield but could you re-route and go to Camden register office? -Right. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:46 | |
What we want you to do is pick up a copy of | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
a birth of a brother of the deceased, yeah? Our deceased. OK? | 0:08:49 | 0:08:54 | |
Birth, death and marriage certificates are the tools of the heir hunters' trade. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
They contain a huge amount of information that can be used to build a case, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
including maiden names, parents' names, crucial dates, and even if someone was adopted. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:09 | |
They are also needed as evidence to make a case to the Treasury solicitor on an heir's behalf. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:16 | |
In the office, Gareth's research has had some mixed results. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:21 | |
We found a very good marriage of Frederick Millar, two children, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
one's born in Salisbury and the other one is Islington. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
I like the Islington birth. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
The Salisbury one, however - well, it's not exactly our area | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
so take that with a pinch of salt. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:37 | |
It ties up with what we were told, but at the same time it's not quite right. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
But it might work out. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:43 | |
If we get a phone call done, they'll be able to tell us if it's right or wrong. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
Gareth's record search through names and birth dates | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
has thrown up a potential niece and nephew to Ronald. | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
The very different locations of their births suggests that they may not both be right. | 0:09:55 | 0:10:00 | |
But more than that, the names Christopher and Christine | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
don't connect with the David Govey who Ewart has been told about. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
Before they call the potential nephew, Christopher, | 0:10:11 | 0:10:14 | |
Ewart is on the way to the register office to get information to confirm they're onto the right family, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:20 | |
and so the office is waiting with bated breath. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
-Ah, great. That certificate's ready. -Yes, sir. -Ah, lovely. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
Finding heirs to unclaimed estates can be a satisfying experience for heir hunters, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
even in the most ordinary cases, but at Heirtrace, a Suffolk-based company founded by Derek Rodbard, | 0:10:38 | 0:10:45 | |
one of their specialist areas has a heightened importance - | 0:10:45 | 0:10:48 | |
that of uniting dependents of Holocaust victims with long-lost family money. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
I've always been particularly interested in history of the 19th and 20th centuries, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:58 | |
and that's tended to grow, and it tends to matter more and more to me. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:03 | |
I'm careful not to be obsessive but it really does matter a lot | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
that we go the extra mile to make sure that these people get what is due to them. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:12 | |
The genocide of Jews in central and eastern Europe between 1939 and 1945 | 0:11:14 | 0:11:20 | |
was the culmination of a long campaign to systematically extinguish them from society, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
starting after Hitler came to power in 1933. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
The campaign began with Nazi laws to strip away Jewish rights, wealth | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
and property, long before the first concentration camps were built. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
Derek's work to restore these assets to their rightful families | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
begins with information sent to him from lawyers in Israel. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
After the war, when the state of Israel was set up, | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
people would say, "Six million Jews were killed during World War II," and it trips off the tongue too easily. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:57 | |
It becomes an impersonal statistic. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
Each one of these people was a person | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
and so it was very strongly felt in Israel that, wherever possible, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
a record should be established of each individual person, so that they didn't just become sort of nothing. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:13 | |
Each one of these people is represented on a sheet which is called the Yad Vashem sheet. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:18 | |
As well as providing a tribute to each individual, the Yad Vashem sheets are like a death certificate. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:24 | |
They are useful for the heir hunters because often a relative will be listed as the informant. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:28 | |
In this particular case, the starting point was a Yad Vashem sheet | 0:12:28 | 0:12:33 | |
sent to us by the lawyers in Tel Aviv, | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
and it related to a certain Ernst Hornung | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
who had been a solicitor... in Czechoslovakia. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
Ernst Hornung was a Jewish professional who had taken out | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
a life insurance policy which had never been paid after his death, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
so there was lump sum outstanding | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
which any surviving heirs would inherit if Derek could find them. | 0:12:55 | 0:13:00 | |
These sheets, at the bottom, tend to have an informant who provided the information | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
which then goes onto the sheet, and we work from the informants. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
In the case of the policy of Ernst Hornung, | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
on the Yad Vashem sheet, there's a son detailed | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
with an address in Wembley, and frankly we went straight to him. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:20 | |
He's still living there. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
Ernst Hornung's son Otto was in line to inherit the insurance pay-out, | 0:13:22 | 0:13:26 | |
along with any other surviving siblings if there were any. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
The financial value of the policy was still unknown. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
Usually the final settlement figure comes out anything from £20,000 to £50,000. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:39 | |
But the money was of secondary concern to Otto Hornung. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
It could not in any way | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
bring back my family's existence. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
We had been destroyed completely. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
We had nothing to our name. But I was very impressed | 0:13:55 | 0:14:01 | |
that somebody took on this job, what Derek is doing. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:06 | |
Otto is 89 and now lives with his wife Chi-Chi | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
in Wembley in North London, although he was originally from Czechoslovakia. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
I've lived in Moravska Ostrava. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
It's the point where three countries meet | 0:14:22 | 0:14:26 | |
and it was very big, very important | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
because Ostrava sat on coal and there were mines everywhere. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:37 | |
In 1939, Otto was 18 and still at school. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
All over Europe, storm clouds were brewing as world leaders | 0:14:42 | 0:14:46 | |
tried to second guess Hitler's next move in the east. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:49 | |
In Czechoslovakia, Otto's family's worst fears were confirmed | 0:14:49 | 0:14:54 | |
when German tanks rolled into their home town | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
of Moravska Ostrava in mid March. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:59 | |
I was in a classroom and a boy came running up | 0:15:01 | 0:15:06 | |
and shouted, "The Germans are here!" | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
So everybody, all the kids, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
ran out to the square. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:15 | |
When I saw the Germans soldiers sitting on the lorry in the back | 0:15:15 | 0:15:21 | |
and holding a rifle between their hands, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
I wanted a rifle. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
I must get a rifle. How can I get it? | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
Otto was a young man with fighting spirit | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
and determined to join the fight against the Nazi invaders. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
With the help of his family, Otto escaped Nazi-occupied Czechoslovakia | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
to Poland, and joined an army of poorly equipped Czech soldiers | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
who were gathering in the countryside. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:48 | |
As Otto prepared to march against the Nazis, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
the situation in Czechoslovakia, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:56 | |
where he had left his parents, was deteriorating. | 0:15:56 | 0:15:59 | |
In 1939, Ernst Hornung's name | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
was one amongst many prominent Czech Jews | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
to appear on a deportation order to Poland | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
while the extermination of the Eastern European Jews was still in its infancy. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
They must have made up a list of who will be deported, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:23 | |
then they brought all those people together, | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
put them at the railway station in cattle wagons, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
and, er...took them by train to Nisko. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:37 | |
It was not a deportation of him personally. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:42 | |
It was a deportation of a group | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
of permanent Jewish people to occupied Poland. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:53 | |
Unaware of his father's deportation, | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
Otto was still with the Czech Legion | 0:16:56 | 0:16:58 | |
who were moving away from Poland towards Romania | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
to escape the Nazi army. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:03 | |
They fell in with the Russian forces, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
who gave them valuable supplies. | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
The reason why the Russians took care of us | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
is because they expected an attack by Hitler | 0:17:12 | 0:17:17 | |
and they needed every help, | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
everyone who could fire a rifle, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
to help them. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
In 1941, Otto was given the thing he had dreamed about | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
since the day Nazi tanks had rolled into his home town. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
It was a First World War issue rifle | 0:17:36 | 0:17:41 | |
and it was kept for all those years | 0:17:41 | 0:17:47 | |
and some unknown power had written my name on it! | 0:17:47 | 0:17:54 | |
Each rifle was in a plastic packing. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
Not a holder, it was packing. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
And the rifles were full of grease, | 0:18:00 | 0:18:06 | |
so I pulled out my rifle - I think I gave it a kiss - | 0:18:06 | 0:18:11 | |
and started cleaning it. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:14 | |
I cleaned it for about two days! | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
The rifle was soon put to use | 0:18:17 | 0:18:19 | |
as Otto served with the British Army in North Africa. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:23 | |
He played a role in the Battle of Tobruk, | 0:18:25 | 0:18:28 | |
a fiercely fought struggle | 0:18:28 | 0:18:29 | |
for the control of this strategically important harbour. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
Towards the end of the war, he had also helped | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
to push back the Nazi forces in France after the D-Day landings. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
It was a fantastic adventure. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
I loved every minute of it. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
Whilst Otto was fighting the Nazis, his father Ernst was fleeing them. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:52 | |
After he had been deported to Nisko, he managed to escape German clutches | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
and fled into the nearby city of Lvov in Russian-occupied Poland. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:02 | |
Whilst there, he tried to keep a low profile. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
He tried to disappear in the crowds. | 0:19:06 | 0:19:11 | |
He kept to his work. | 0:19:11 | 0:19:16 | |
In the factory, he was one of the blue boys there. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
He really turned from a solicitor, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:26 | |
from a man who is working with his brains, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:31 | |
to a workman. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
At this stage, the Hornungs were scattered over Eastern Europe. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:40 | |
Ernst was in Russian-occupied Poland, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
his wife and daughter were in Hungary, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
and Otto's Czech army unit were in modern-day Ukraine | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
being trained by the Russians. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
But Ernst had managed to trace them all and remain in touch. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
My father wrote the first letter | 0:19:55 | 0:20:02 | |
when he got to Lvov to me. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
I was very happy about that. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:09 | |
He actually acted as a central post office because, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:14 | |
when I wrote to him, he then sent the postcard to Mother, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
and vice versa. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:21 | |
Even exiled and in hiding, through keeping them in touch, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:25 | |
Ernst maintained his role as head of the family. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
He was the boss all his life. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
But he ruled, not with a fist, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:39 | |
but with charm and a smile and soul. | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
But the stability and comfort of knowing the whereabouts of his entire family wouldn't last long. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:51 | |
The Nazis were on the march again. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
In 1941, Hitler flaunted his agreement with Stalin | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
and advanced into Russian-occupied Poland | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
where Otto's father was living. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
Ernst, along with the rest of the Jewish population in Lvov, was now in terrible danger. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
Could Ernst survive, and would his family ever see each other again? | 0:21:11 | 0:21:16 | |
The once-vibrant, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
large community of Lvov was decimated. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
For every case that is solved, there are still thousands that stubbornly remain a mystery. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:34 | |
Currently, over 3,000 names drawn from across the country are on the Treasury's unsolved case list. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:41 | |
Their assets will be kept for up to 30 years | 0:21:45 | 0:21:48 | |
in the hope that eventually someone will remember and come forward to claim their inheritance. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:54 | |
With estates valued at anything from 5,000 to millions of pounds, | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
the rightful heirs are out there somewhere. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
Could you be the key? | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
Mary D'Arcy-Cordigan of Cheshire died in 2006. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
Does her unusual name ring a bell? | 0:22:12 | 0:22:14 | |
Could you be the one person entitled to her estate? | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
William Thomas Cozens died in Bedworth, Warwickshire, in 2006. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:24 | |
The heir hunters have run out of leads. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:27 | |
Do you know anything about him? | 0:22:27 | 0:22:28 | |
Maybe he's your long-lost uncle or cousin. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
Could your help get to the heirs of Mary D'Arcy-Cordigan and William Cozens, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:38 | |
and thousands of others just like these? | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
Is there a fortune out there waiting for you? | 0:22:40 | 0:22:43 | |
Fraser & Fraser are working on an estate that never made it onto the Treasury's list. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:55 | |
The case of Ronald Millar who died in Edgware in London came through a solicitor referral. | 0:22:55 | 0:23:00 | |
Ronald left £30,000 but died intestate. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:05 | |
He never left a will. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:07 | |
There is a reluctance to leave a will. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
It's almost like you're probably signing your death warrant | 0:23:11 | 0:23:15 | |
or acknowledging, yes, I am mortal. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
Alan, my colleague, was actually talking to Ron | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
about the necessity of having a will, | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
and they got so far as actually getting some attorneys to actually go to Ron's house. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:29 | |
They spent a few hours with Ron and eventually phoned Alan | 0:23:29 | 0:23:33 | |
who told me that he'd decided against it completely, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
so a will was never set up. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
These solicitors contacted the heir hunters in the hope that they could find heirs for Ronald. | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
So far, the team knows he had a brother, Frederick Millar, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:47 | |
who they think had two children, Christopher and Christine. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
They've also been tipped-off that he was related to a David Govey | 0:23:52 | 0:23:56 | |
but they can't work out where he fits in. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:58 | |
To try and get to the bottom of the matter, | 0:24:00 | 0:24:02 | |
Ewart is at Camden register office to pick up the birth certificate of Ronald's brother | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
and make sure they're onto the right family. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
Ah, great, that certificate's ready? | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
-Yes, sir. -Ah, lovely. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
In the office, they've got a number for a Christopher Millar, potentially Ronald's nephew, | 0:24:13 | 0:24:19 | |
but they've been holding off ringing until Ewart's call from the register office | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
confirms that they were right about Ronald having a brother. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
-Bob Smith. -I've now got the birth of Frederick. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:33 | |
-Yeah? -Frederick Ramsey Millar... | 0:24:33 | 0:24:35 | |
-Yeah? -Born 5th of July 1925. | 0:24:35 | 0:24:40 | |
Excellent. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:41 | |
His father was Frederick Walter Millar, | 0:24:41 | 0:24:44 | |
mother was Hilda Millar, formerly Sykes. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
Good news. Ewart has now picked up the birth of the brother of the deceased, | 0:24:48 | 0:24:53 | |
which we were rather hoping was right. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
It is indeed right. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:57 | |
The parents are the same, so now it looks a safe bet | 0:24:57 | 0:25:02 | |
to contact the nephew of the deceased who is the son of the brother, | 0:25:02 | 0:25:07 | |
and hopefully arrange an appointment for Ewart to go and see him today. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:12 | |
This is where certificates are invaluable | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
as the team now can prove that Ronald and Frederick were brothers. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
If they can also prove that the potential niece and nephew they've found are Frederick's children, | 0:25:18 | 0:25:24 | |
they'll have found two heirs. | 0:25:24 | 0:25:25 | |
It's time to make the call. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
Hello, is that Mr Millar? | 0:25:29 | 0:25:30 | |
We're trying to track down children of a gentleman by the name of Frederick Ramsey Millar. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:37 | |
Now, would that be your father? | 0:25:37 | 0:25:39 | |
Right. So your father's not Frederick Ramsey Millar born 1925? | 0:25:42 | 0:25:47 | |
OK. All right. I'm sorry to have troubled you. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:50 | |
Thanks very much. Bye-bye. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:51 | |
Well, it seems our diligent research has come up with the wrong family. | 0:25:54 | 0:26:00 | |
The fact that this particular Christopher Millar, | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
which seems to tie up with the birth that we'd identified, is wrong, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
doesn't actually mean that the other birth | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
that we think goes with the marriage of our brother of the deceased is wrong also. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:15 | |
The sister was born in a completely different area to this chap, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
so it may be that they're two different families. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
Um...obviously we had a current address and a phone number for him, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:26 | |
so it was the obvious thing to give him a call, | 0:26:26 | 0:26:28 | |
but obviously, with a female, | 0:26:28 | 0:26:30 | |
there's a good chance that she'll have married and obviously have a different name. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:34 | |
So we're going to have to go back to the drawing board | 0:26:34 | 0:26:39 | |
and see if we can identify a marriage for her. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
It seems the Christopher Millar they tracked down isn't related to Ronald's brother Frederick. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:48 | |
It may be that he didn't have two children, just one. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
All hopes are now pinned on Christine being Frederick's daughter and Ronald's niece. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
-'Hello, Ewart.' -Hello, Bob. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
I've been sitting here waiting, Bob, to try and find out if you've rung this heir or not. | 0:27:00 | 0:27:05 | |
Well, I put the phone down to him about five minutes ago. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
-Oh, right. -'He's wrong.' -He's wrong?! | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
'He's wrong, yeah. But that doesn't mean that the sister's not right.' | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
Oh, right. Hold on a moment. I think we might have some news. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
I'm just being passed something. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:22 | |
Ah, right, we've got the death of the brother of the deceased now, right? | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
Sorry, we've got the probate. OK? | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
And it names Christine Rose Govey | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
as...his daughter, so Christine... | 0:27:32 | 0:27:39 | |
is married to David. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:41 | |
All right? So this is a niece of the deceased, OK? | 0:27:41 | 0:27:43 | |
David's the son-in-law. OK, got it. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:45 | |
At last, the team have solved the Govey mystery. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
Unlike Ronald, his brother Frederick did leave a will | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
and this has helped prove the case. | 0:27:56 | 0:27:58 | |
The will mentions his daughter Christine by her married name, Govey. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:02 | |
She is Frederick's only child and is Ronald's niece. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
The mysterious David Govey was not Ronald's nephew, but Christine's husband, | 0:28:06 | 0:28:11 | |
and he is not entitled because he is not related to Ronald by blood. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
The office has made the breakthrough and confirmed that Christine is the sole heir. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
As they don't have a phone number for her, Ewart is heading off to call at her address. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:28 | |
Yeah, it's all come together very nicely. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:31 | |
Research has been good | 0:28:31 | 0:28:33 | |
and it's just a question of now whether the heir themselves is going to be willing to see us, | 0:28:33 | 0:28:40 | |
and then obviously enter into a contract with us, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
so all the work we've undertaken will be, you know, worthwhile for us. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:51 | |
The trip is looking worthwhile so far, as Ewart has arrived | 0:28:55 | 0:28:58 | |
at Christine Govey's house, | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
and she and her husband are happy to meet him. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:02 | |
Did your father have any brothers and sisters? | 0:29:05 | 0:29:10 | |
Yes, he had one brother who was two years younger. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
And his name was? | 0:29:14 | 0:29:15 | |
Ronald. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
When was the last time you had contact with him? | 0:29:17 | 0:29:21 | |
Just after my father died, ten and a half years ago. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
-Right. -Strange man. And his cats. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
Hundreds and hundreds of cats. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
Christine didn't see her uncle for several years before his death. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:36 | |
However, she is keen to see the certificates Ewart has collected. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:41 | |
This is the birth of... | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
-Your father. -My father. Yes. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:45 | |
You're saying 1925. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:52 | |
I thought he was born in 1926. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:54 | |
That's when he was born. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
'25. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
It's funny how things change slightly. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
So you always thought it was 1926? | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
Yeah, always. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
Christine is the sole heir to Ronald's £30000, something that | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
came as a surprise to her since she hadn't seen him for so long. | 0:30:12 | 0:30:17 | |
I didn't really know if I'd ever find out what happened to him, | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
to be honest, because we don't go in that area at all, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
don't know of anybody down there. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
All his neighbours - he had outlived everybody. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:29 | |
So there was no way we'd ever know what happened to him, | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
except now we do know. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:37 | |
And I just think it's very sad that there was nobody... | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
for him, near to him, you know. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
Derek Rodbard of Heirtrace | 0:30:50 | 0:30:52 | |
works on uniting descendants of Holocaust victims | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
with money that belongs to their family. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
One of his cases was that of Ernst Hornung, a Jewish solicitor | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
who left an unclaimed life insurance policy | 0:31:01 | 0:31:04 | |
which could be worth between £20,000 and £50,000. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:08 | |
We know that Ernst Hornung had a policy with Assicurazioni Generali. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:15 | |
It was appropriated, or I should say stolen, by Mussolini in 1938 | 0:31:15 | 0:31:20 | |
and he dispossessed all the Jewish policy holders | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
and split the proceeds basically between himself and Hitler. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
Ernst's assets had been stolen but, at this point in time, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:33 | |
this was the least of his worries. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:35 | |
He was on the run from the Nazis and had fled to Lvov | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
in Russian-occupied Poland. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:40 | |
The city had a strong connection with the Jewish community, | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
as Rabbi Marcus of the Central London Synagogue explains. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
Lvov is known as a major Jewish centre. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
In pre-war Europe, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
it was known as a place of a very, very vibrant Jewish community, | 0:31:56 | 0:32:02 | |
extremely vibrant, with some very well-known personalities | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
who lived there, some very great scholars. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:08 | |
It was a place of learning and where there were books printed, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:13 | |
and certainly a very, very productive and positive place. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:19 | |
But in 1941, the Nazi army crossed over into Russian-occupied Poland | 0:32:19 | 0:32:24 | |
and into Lvov, which was known as Lemberg to the Germans. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
This was a disaster for the Jewish community. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:30 | |
Massacres were carried out by both the departing Russians | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
and the advancing Germans in the city and the surrounding area. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
The once-vibrant, large community of Lvov was decimated | 0:32:38 | 0:32:45 | |
and all those who'd had to flock there to find some kind of refuge | 0:32:45 | 0:32:50 | |
were wiped out when the ghetto was liquidated. | 0:32:50 | 0:32:56 | |
Otto Hornung, Ernst's son, knew his father was in danger | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
and found out what had happened to him | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
while he was fighting for the Allies in the Middle East. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
My father had the faith of all the Jewish people | 0:33:05 | 0:33:12 | |
the Germans could get hold of in Lvov. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
Lemberg. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:18 | |
And he was lined up with the others and was shot. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:23 | |
The loss of his father devastated Otto. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:27 | |
He was an inspiration in everything I did. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:30 | |
When he was not there, really I missed him. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
That was one of the reasons why I wanted to fight the Germans - | 0:33:33 | 0:33:41 | |
my father. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:43 | |
Lvov had seemed a safe haven for Ernst, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:46 | |
but in fact it became the opposite. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:48 | |
By the end of the war, there were only an estimated 3,400 Jews | 0:33:48 | 0:33:53 | |
left in a city that had once boasted over 100,000. | 0:33:53 | 0:33:58 | |
When Derek realised that Ernst's assets could be restored | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
to his family, he contacted Otto immediately to inform him. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
I wrote to Otto because we always write first so that people | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
have time to consider things, and he phoned me the next day. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
We had a lengthy conversation and it rapidly became apparent | 0:34:18 | 0:34:21 | |
that he had the most amazing story to tell, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
and not just from his point of view, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:26 | |
because his father had been very enterprising. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
What's more, his mother was amazing, a most doughty fighter, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:32 | |
an incredibly brave woman. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:34 | |
She must have been the most amazing character. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
While her husband was in Poland and her son fighting all over Europe, | 0:34:41 | 0:34:45 | |
Aranka Hornung, Otto's mother, | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
was left to look after her daughter Kitty in Nazi-occupied Czechoslovakia. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:52 | |
It was becoming an increasingly dangerous place for a Jewish woman, | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
and a letter from her sister in Hungary prompted her to drastic action. | 0:34:55 | 0:35:00 | |
She had to have the permission of the Germans to go to Hungary | 0:35:01 | 0:35:07 | |
and therefore she went to the Gestapo. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
She dressed up as if she was going to a ball | 0:35:10 | 0:35:15 | |
and she used her best perfume. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
She looked like a film star. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
As a Jewish woman entering the Gestapo headquarters to ask to leave the country, | 0:35:23 | 0:35:27 | |
Aranka could not have been making herself more visible | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
in a time when keeping a low profile could make the difference between life and death. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:35 | |
And she said, | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
"Major, please, | 0:35:39 | 0:35:42 | |
"could I have a permit | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
"to travel with my daughter to Hungary?" | 0:35:45 | 0:35:51 | |
The colonel looked at her and said, | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
"I am not an absolute idiot, but I'll tell you something. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:59 | |
"I shall give you the permit for only one reason." | 0:35:59 | 0:36:04 | |
"I admire your courage." | 0:36:06 | 0:36:09 | |
Once in Hungary, Aranka knew that she and her daughter Kitty | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
still weren't safe, but help was at hand | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
in the form of a renegade Swedish diplomat called Raoul Wallenberg. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
Raoul Wallenberg, for us, is one of the great heroes, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:27 | |
one of the great men of courage, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:29 | |
the man who not only saved people but saved our faith in humanity. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:34 | |
Raoul Wallenberg's work to save thousands of Jews in Hungary | 0:36:36 | 0:36:39 | |
was to have a direct impact on the Hornung family. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
He was driven by... | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
the finest and most noble of all human drives, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
and that is the value of human life. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
They created all these safe homes where Jews were put with others, | 0:36:55 | 0:37:01 | |
he gave out these special documents which allowed them free passage, | 0:37:01 | 0:37:07 | |
because basically all these Hungarian Jews now became Swedish citizens. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:12 | |
That was what he in fact did by handing out these documentations | 0:37:12 | 0:37:16 | |
so that the Germans couldn't actually transport them. | 0:37:16 | 0:37:19 | |
By 1944, over 400,000 Jews had been transported from Hungary | 0:37:19 | 0:37:25 | |
to the death camps in Poland. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
The ship's passes that Wallenberg issued to thousands of Hungarian Jews | 0:37:28 | 0:37:32 | |
identified the bearers as Swedish citizens awaiting repatriation, | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
which prevented them from being deported, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
sometimes at the very final moment. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:42 | |
He was also seen at the train station | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
where people were already on transports | 0:37:45 | 0:37:50 | |
and, despite obvious threat to his own life from German officers, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:54 | |
was actually handing out these visas, these documents, | 0:37:54 | 0:37:57 | |
to people on the trains and pulling them off the train. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:00 | |
According to most historians and others, | 0:38:00 | 0:38:03 | |
he probably managed to give out documents | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
and save close to 100,000 human beings. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:12 | |
Otto's mother Aranka obtained papers from Wallenberg | 0:38:12 | 0:38:16 | |
which meant she could live in a Swedish-owned safe house. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
That is the so-called Swedish passport of Wallenberg. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:26 | |
He has signed it and... | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
It gives the name, the date of birth, and where she was born, | 0:38:33 | 0:38:38 | |
and she signed it in the name of Doctor - | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
as she was advised it would be more important - | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
Doctor Aranka Hornung. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
Why he is a hero is because he didn't have to do what he did. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:56 | |
He didn't have to be in Hungary in the first place. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
He could've easily sat out the war years in Sweden, | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
but he chose to do what he did, to go to Budapest | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
at a time when the situation was extremely critical, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
for Jewish people mainly, and he did what he did. | 0:39:10 | 0:39:14 | |
So, if you want a real hero, look at Wallenberg. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:19 | |
In Marylebone in London, a statue of Wallenberg | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
pays tribute to his amazing achievement. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
He stands tall on 100,000 ship's passes, | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
each representing a life saved. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:30 | |
Amongst them, Aranka and Kitty Hornung. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
By the time the war had ended, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
Otto hadn't seen his sister or mother for six years. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
I did all I could to get the family together. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:50 | |
I came to the house of my uncle where she was staying. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:55 | |
She saw me but she didn't recognise me, | 0:39:55 | 0:40:00 | |
so I said, "How are you, Mother?" | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
and went over and gave her a kiss. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
That's how I found her. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
Having united his family, Otto went back to Czechoslovakia | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
and worked as a journalist, but life was tough in his now-Communist homeland, | 0:40:14 | 0:40:19 | |
and he moved to England in the 1960s, where he remained. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
Today, Derek is going to see Otto to finalise details | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
so that he can act on his behalf to claim the money | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
from his father, Ernst Hornung's insurance policy. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
It'll be the first time the two have met. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
I'm very excited that I'm actually going to meet Otto in person. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
The striking thing about the Hornung family | 0:40:52 | 0:40:55 | |
is the strength of character of all of them. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
Sometimes we say a family was very strong and so on, | 0:40:58 | 0:41:02 | |
but basically we may mean the mother or the father | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
but, in this case, every single family member... | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
fought, and showed huge strength of character. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:13 | |
This is the thing, Otto, which I find so really inspiring. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:26 | |
You went through all these things during the war, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:28 | |
a huge lot of things during the war. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
You faced up to the most amazing situations. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
In other words, you survived, and we admire survivors, of course. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:37 | |
And I've dealt with a lot of cases like this, and yours is unique | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
in the sense that three members of your family have survived. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:46 | |
I deal with lots of cases where only one has survived | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
because they came on the Kindertransport or something like that, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
but for virtually all the family to survive except your father is truly remarkable. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:59 | |
With Otto's mother and sister now deceased, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
he is the sole beneficiary. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:05 | |
Until the claim comes back, he won't know how much it is worth, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:09 | |
but Derek's work to unite Otto with his father's assets | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
has a value far beyond the monetary gain. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
I was surprised that this exists | 0:42:17 | 0:42:21 | |
and I was very happy, not because of the money, | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
but because of the fact that I was given back | 0:42:25 | 0:42:29 | |
a piece of my father's work, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:32 | |
and that is why I appreciate Derek's work so much. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:37 | |
Derek is looking after the little man. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:42 | |
Honesty is returning to this world. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:47 | |
If you would like advice about building a family tree | 0:42:51 | 0:42:54 | |
or making a will, go to... | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
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