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Heir hunters spend their lives tracking down the families of people who died without leaving a will.

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They hand over thousands of pounds to long-lost relatives

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who had no idea they were in line for a windfall.

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Could they be knocking at your door?

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On today's programme, two cases involving adoption threaten to stump the heir hunters.

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With stiff competition on a £100,000 estate they can't afford to waste any time.

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We're the third company to have applied for it and somebody has already been in and got it.

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And in trying to find heirs for Daisy Hart,

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they uncover the story of a woman's hidden sorrow at giving up her only child.

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She'd have loved that baby, I know she would have done.

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It must have been really heartbreaking for her to hand it over like that.

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And we'll have details of some of the hundreds of unclaimed estates.

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Could you be in line for a windfall?

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More than two thirds of people die without leaving a will.

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If they had no obvious relatives, their money goes to the Government

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who last year made a staggering £18 million from unclaimed estates.

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That's where the heir hunters step in.

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Which is why the cousins, such as you, end up inheriting.

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There are more than 30 heir hunting companies who, for a share of the estate,

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make it their business to track down the rightful kin. Last year they claimed back

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five million pounds for unsuspecting heirs who would have otherwise gone empty-handed.

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It's a real life-changing event when that cheque finally does drop on their doorstep.

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It's 6.30am in London at Fraser and Fraser, one of the largest heir hunting companies in the UK.

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The Government list of people who have died without a will has been announced.

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Heir hunters work on commission, so it's all about getting to the heirs

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before the other companies and signing them up.

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The first priority is to quickly work out which cases are of value.

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Today a case worth an estimated £100,000 has caught the eye of partner Neil Fraser.

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We're actually working a case of Bett. B-E-T-T.

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It's up in the Wirral, or Liverpool, area.

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At the moment all we really know is it's Christopher John Bett.

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He's meant to be born in 1945, which is quite young really, it's quite a young deceased.

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Christopher Bett died in Liverpool in 2008.

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He's remembered fondly by his friend of 20 years, Michael Kennedy.

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I know we're all unique, it's often said, but he was, you know?

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I mean, his appearance, his mannerisms.

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Every time you were seeing him he had a cigarette in one hand

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and a cup of tea in the other hand, covered in oil and grease.

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But he was a very talented man and the main thing is,

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in my view, is this thing of not judging a book by the cover.

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You know, open the book, look inside and when you looked inside on Chris, he was just a gem.

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Chris was gifted at fixing engines, a talent which he was happy to share.

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He was very, very helpful to all us as a group of friends.

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He was always there for us and he was always there to help

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in any problems that we had and we really still miss him.

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Chris died in 2008 without leaving a will and with an estate of £100,000,

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all of which will go to the Government unless heirs can be found.

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Chris spent his life in the Liverpool area and the team know that having someone primed

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for action on location could save hours of research compared to what they can do in the office.

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There are people they can call on for just this purpose.

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The firm employ a squad of travelling heir hunters,

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many of them are ex-policeman and use their skills to interview neighbours,

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get their hands on key documents and find clues to crack the case, hopefully before other companies.

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And when heirs have been found, they speed over to sign them up and get their commission.

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Dave Mansell is one of the company's senior researchers, based in Manchester.

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We're off to Merseyside today.

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We're halfway there. A new case.

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The deceased is called Bett, his surname, B-E-T-T. Christopher.

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Died earlier this year.

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We think there's a property involved so think the case is worth working, so...

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While Dave is en route, in the office they're searching for a record of Chris's birth

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which, so far, they can't find.

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However, they have had some success finding details for Chris's immediate family.

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From the old electoral rolls we can see what appears to be the mother, Emily.

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She possibly dies in 1995, which probably makes her born in 1907.

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Upstairs, case manager David Sleegh

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is about to put in some early morning calls to the neighbours.

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It's 7.30am, so he'll need all his charm.

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It's hit and miss with the telephone enquiries, but sometimes you get lucky.

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You might find someone who knew the deceased well.

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I wouldn't bet on it, ho, ho, ho.

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Did you know if he ever had any brothers or sisters?

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He might have been adopted.

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Was the family ever visited by other relatives, do you know?

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Cousins or aunts and uncles?

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Oh, so...

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So, his mother had a sister.

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Can you remember what her name was?

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Thank you very much indeed for your time. I really appreciate that.

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Bye-bye, now. Bye-bye.

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That's about the best enquiry I've done in ages, that.

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David's charm has paid off with several useful pieces of information.

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He has found that Chris had at least one aunt and was adopted.

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He has also found out information about Chris's father.

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Father would have died pre-April 1979 - Frank, or...

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John or Frank, but that's...

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If we can find some electoral on it.

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The father's name gives the researchers vital clues to be working

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on building Chris's family tree,

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but his adoption throws up problems.

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Christopher has been adopted.

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It means from a legal point of view,

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from a research point of view, we research the adopted family.

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So, we research the Bett family, which is all good with us.

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But, it's very, very hard for us to search for these adoptions.

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We can't search for siblings on an adoption.

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We can't search for other people adopted into the family.

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We're still going to work the Bett family, which is good.

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And it explains why we can't find a birth for it, with him being adopted, so that all ties in.

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Ordinarily, heir hunters would use the deceased's birth records

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to find the names of the parents.

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They could then build a family tree to find siblings and work out potential heirs.

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However, as Chris was adopted,

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they can't use his birth certificate to confirm the names

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of his adoptive parents, so they have to search

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using other resources, such as the electoral roll.

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Chris found out about his adoption after his mother died.

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The discovery had a powerful impact on him,

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as his friend Michael recalls.

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It was a shattering blow to him, really, you know?

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The realisation of it,

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that it wasn't his actual mother was very difficult for him, you know?

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Although Chris struggled with the news of his adoption, his adopted family, the Betts,

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are legally viewed as blood relatives and will be eligible to inherit his £100,000 estate.

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But with no heirs found yet Neil is sending another traveller,

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Paul Matthews, to hunt down more information.

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So, can you head up to Liverpool and when you get close I'll tell you what you're doing.

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OK, cheers. Bye.

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What we've done there is just double up on our travellers

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and I also want to make sure we've two people on the road to try and beat off some of the competition.

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We are bound to get some.

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So, that's Paul going up there as well, so Paul and Dave both on the road at the minute to Liverpool.

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Like Neil, Paul is aware that the stakes are high.

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It won't be a secret by now that it's an estate that's worth looking at.

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So, yeah, we'll be doing it, other companies will be having a look, as well.

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So, the race is on.

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With two travelling heir hunters on their way to the action,

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-the office now need to get down to some hard research.

-It is Frank?

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-It is.

-It's definitely Frank?

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Yeah.

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The first finding is that the neighbours were right about Chris's adopted father.

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His name was Frank Bett.

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Chris's adopted mother was Emily Settle, whose name the team believe is easier to research.

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They're looking for Settles who'd be in the right period and location to be part of Chris's family.

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Because there's a lot of information on it, we need to throw a lot

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of bodies at it initially,

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but it's all kind of organised panic.

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Hopefully it'll settle down in a minute and we'll start to know

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where we stand because a lot of it's very speculative now.

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Some of it we know, and it's tying in stuff we don't know with what we do know.

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So far the researchers have found four Settles

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who could be Chris's aunts

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and uncles on his mother's side - Elsie, William, Frank and Hilda.

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Until they get a call from David with the relevant birth certificates

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they can't prove any of it, but before he goes to pick them up,

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he's still got time to do a bit of detective work in Chris's street.

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Well, the Registry Office doesn't open until ten o'clock on a Thursday morning on the Wirral,

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so we've got time to do it. It's only 8.40am now,

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although it looks like midnight with the weather.

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But when he gets there, he realises he's not alone.

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Morning.

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-Morning.

-He's got a rival.

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-Paul Marks, Celtic Research.

-With two people on the same street it's getting quite cosy.

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Well, that's a good guess that, seeing as we're stood outside the house, yeah.

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It's going to be a race to meet the neighbours.

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This looks like they're away.

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They are only so many houses to go round.

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-The gent that used to live across the road that died, Chris.

-Yes.

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-I believe he used to go sailing with your husband, didn't he?

-He did, yeah.

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For David, it's all getting a bit close for comfort.

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We just want to know if you know anything about him.

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Barry was very friendly with him and my husband was, as well, because they were both...

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They shared the cars together...

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While David and the competition are going round the houses, case manager David Milchard

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is already working on trying to confirm the information they've got, starting with Chris's Uncle Frank.

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Right, we've got an uncle,

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a maternal uncle of the deceased.

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He's survived by a son called Frank

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and he's living in...

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Wallasey at the moment, so...

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He's not on the telephone so we're trying to contact him and, hopefully, he'll give us a bit

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of information, confirm whether we have the right family or not.

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Frank Settle is a potential cousin and therefore heir, but as he's not on the phone they'll need to send

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someone in person to confirm he's part of the right family.

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I've got a possible cousin, Chris.

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-You're not in earshot of anyone, are you?

-I'm just walking to my car now.

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I'll ring you in two secs. Bye.

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He's just walking to his car.

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I can't be doing with that.

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We've discovered that he's got a relative living in Wallasey,

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so we're about to make our way there

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to try and be first.

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Armed with the information, David could be on his way to his first heir,

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but as the competition is hot on his heels, time could be running out.

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With £100,000 at stake, can he get to the heirs first?

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Heir hunting isn't just based in the hustle and bustle of London.

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With potential heirs to be found anywhere up and down the country,

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the race to find beneficiaries to unclaimed estates can take place anywhere.

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In the sleepy suburbs of Burgess Hill, Sussex,

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one independent operation makes a point of taking old cases that other companies have overlooked.

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One is sort of almost doing a service because you probably

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find genealogists won't go after the smaller cases.

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Well, quite a lot of them, you do get letters from them, and say they are grateful you have taken the trouble

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to discover them after all this time.

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Charles, the Lord Teviot, is a hereditary peer with a keen interest in family history.

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He and his wife, Lady Teviot, both run their own heir hunting companies.

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You've got it? You've found the thing?

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-I've found it.

-But although Charles tends to go for the smaller cases,

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it doesn't necessarily make his job easier,

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as was proven in the case of Daisy Hart.

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Daisy Hart died in Hartley Nursing Home in Kent in 1996

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leaving a £12,000 estate and no will.

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She outlived her husband and had no children.

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Daisy's nephew Peter Hart remembers his aunt,

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although they weren't close.

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Daisy married my uncle,

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who was Harold, but in the family

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was known as Bubbles.

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She was a bit on the timid side.

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She was short.

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Bubbles was considerably taller than her.

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That's all I can say.

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Oh, well, I've looked, but I've got no photographs whatsoever of them.

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Although he doesn't have any photos of her, a visit to the house

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where his Aunt Daisy and his grandparents once lived brings back some memories for Peter.

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Well, this is where my grandparents lived

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and Bubbles and Daisy...

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took the house over...

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after Granddad died.

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And if I remember rightly, down in that room down there,

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there was a table in the window and an aspidistra.

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I haven't been round here for years.

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Heir hunters frequently deal with families who weren't close or have grown apart over time.

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However, in Daisy's case, her heirs would prove to be

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in a different family altogether thanks to a secret in her past.

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At his home office, Charles found the case advertised on the Treasury's list of unclaimed estates

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and began his investigation by looking for Daisy's birth and death details.

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We found that Daisy had died in the Tunbridge Wells district,

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so we applied for that certificate

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and found that Daisy

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was born

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on 20 January 1923,

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and her maiden name was Parkinson.

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Once Charles had Daisy's death certificate, the next stage was

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to try and find her birth record so that he could trace her parents and then potential siblings.

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As you can see, in the marked quarter of 1923

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there is no Daisy Parkinson

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being born.

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Not being able to find her birth record threw a spanner in the works

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because it's the starting point for all heir hunters.

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Like in all these cases, the first thing you do is you want to find the person's birth.

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And then from the person's birth, their parents' marriage,

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and then brothers and sisters and you go on like that.

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Well, in this case with Daisy Hart you didn't get over the first hurdle.

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You were just stuck and unable to find her birth, which I suppose if

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somebody else had looked at it in the past would have probably given up.

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But Charles refused to admit defeat, and broadened his search to include

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all Daisies born in that year and area, just in case she had changed her name.

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So, therefore one did come up against a Daisy Billings.

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He checked this Daisy Billings' birth certificate and found that

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there were some similarities between her and Daisy Hart.

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That was interesting when one found the certificate.

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She was born on the same birth date, 28th of January 1923.

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At 56 Vale Road, Tunbridge.

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Not only did the Daisies share the same name, but they seemed

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to live in the same area and shared the same date of birth, but this was not all the certificate revealed.

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Father, blank.

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Mother, Annie Billings, a domestic servant.

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Rank or profession of father, blank.

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Well, quite frankly, Daisy was born illegitimate, I suppose you could put it like that.

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Charles thought he had found the answer to the mystery.

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He suspected that Daisy was an illegitimate child and that she had been adopted,

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which is why her maiden name was down as Parkinson rather than Billings on her death certificate.

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To confirm his theory, he did more research on the woman he thought

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was Daisy's biological mother, Anne Billings.

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So, the next thing is to find out what happened to the mother.

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One never found a marriage for an Anne Billings or Annie Billings,

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so then one had to look for the poor lady's death.

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Charles found Annie Billings' death certificate.

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The person who provided the information on it was her nephew John Waller.

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If John knew that his Aunt Annie had had a baby girl and given her away,

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this would strengthen Charles' case

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that Annie Billings was Daisy's birth mother.

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It would also mean that John would be a blood cousin of Daisy's.

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When John got the phone call, he was more than a little surprised to hear Daisy's name.

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When he spoke about Annie, Annie Billings and had a daughter

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called Daisy, I thought, blimey O'Reilly.

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Well, if you haven't heard anybody's name mentioned or heard anything from anybody for 30-odd years,

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and suddenly, out of the blue, when you least expect it,

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start talking about somebody, it is a blast from the past and it knocks the stuffing out of you.

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John's Aunt Annie had been a regular visitor in the Waller household,

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but John only found out that she had had a daughter a couple of years after her death in 1970,

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when he was at a family celebration.

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Eileen, one of the girls up there, told us.

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My cousins had said about it, that Annie had had this baby and that was the first we knew.

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It doesn't seem as if anybody else knew about it either.

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I spoke to my mother when we came back here and she said her name

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was Daisy and she went to Tunbridge Wells, we thought, to have this baby.

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This information was the first piece of evidence that Charles was right,

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and that Annie Billings had given away her daughter, Daisy, to be adopted into the Parkinson family,

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but would this piece of gossip be enough to make a case,

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and who would inherit her estate?

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Her adoptive nephew Peter or her blood nephew John?

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For every case that is solved,

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there are still those that stubbornly remain a mystery.

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Currently over 3,000 names drawn from across the country are on the Treasury's unsolved case list.

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Their assets will be kept for up to 30 years in the hope that eventually

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someone will remember and come forward to claim their inheritance.

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With estates valued at anything from 5,000 to millions of pounds,

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the rightful heirs are out there somewhere.

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Maria Esther Gill, born Desilva Garrido, died in Dudley

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in the West Midlands in June 2007.

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Is this a name you remember from your family?

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Could she be one of your distant relatives?

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Gladys Mary Glover, otherwise known as Gladys Huxley Jones, died in Clapham in February 2006.

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Do you hold the key to the case?

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Could you be in line for a payout?

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Both these cases have unusual names, Desilva Gorrido and Huxley Jones.

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If they belong to your family you could be in line for a windfall.

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The heir hunters are trying to trace the family of Chris Bett,

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who died leaving a £100,000 estate but no will.

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They know other companies are onto the same case so they've got to work fast.

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So far they know Chris was adopted so they are on the trail of his adoptive family, the Betts.

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They think they've found four aunts and uncles on Chris's mother's side, Elsie, William, Frank and Hilda,

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but these are all speculative untill they get proof, either from

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a certificate or a family member.

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It's only 10.00am and already one travelling researcher is on the way to a potential heir, and a second,

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Paul Matthews, has almost arrived in Liverpool and wants to know what his mission will be.

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We're about 30 miles from where we want to be,

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so it's... I don't know which office manager is dealing, so it's a good time to find out

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exactly where they want me

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because things obviously can change while I'm on the way up here.

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The office are still desperate to confirm which of their speculative

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names are right and which aren't, so they need to get some certificates.

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The first thing we need then is the birth of the mother,

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it's Emily Hester Settle.

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Chris's mother's birth certificate

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could be all the team needs to unravel the case.

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That will tell us the name of her parents.

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The office seem to think it's Thomas William Settle and Emily Jane Church.

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Although they are still working without proof, the office are pulling in more potential relatives

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on the mother's side and the approach is yielding results.

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They find a daughter of Chris's Aunt Elsie, Sheila, who would be Chris's cousin.

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We've now just identified our second heir, or second potential heir,

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because we're still working from a top line up here which is incredibly speculative.

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David Milchard is wasting no time in speaking to Sheila to check she's related to Chris.

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Oh, hello. Is this that Mrs Knox?

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Hello, there. I'm sorry to trouble you, my name is David Milchard.

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I'm calling from London.

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I'm trying to trace a family in connection with an estate my company is dealing with.

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Did your mum have any brothers or sisters at all?

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Frances, yeah.

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And Cecily.

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It looks like they're on to the right family.

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Sheila has confirmed that her and Emily had two brothers, William and Frank.

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There was no Hilda but there were two more aunts the office hadn't found, Cecily and Frances.

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It's great news, but will it put them ahead of the competition?

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Dave has managed to lose his pursuer and has arrived at the house

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of Frank Settle, who could be Chris's cousin.

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If this is the case, he may be the first heir of the day to sign up.

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How many children did your parents have?

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There was my sister and...

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Four...

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Five, sorry. Four lads and one girl.

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-Five altogether.

-Yeah.

-Right.

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Frank is definitely part of the same family, but doesn't know anything about Chris.

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He does however have a brother, Tom, who lives just over a mile away.

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-If David can get to him quickly, he could have two heirs signed up in succession.

-All the best.

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OK, all the best, yeah.

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-Cheers, now.

-OK, bye.

-Bye bye.

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Bye.

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When David gets to Tom's house he learns that there's an explanation

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for why the brothers know so little about their cousin Chris.

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The real issue is here is that there was trouble between my mother and my father's family

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and we virtually had nothing at all to do with any of them.

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The only one we had anything to do with in particular was Elsie.

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As the family were not close, Tom was unaware of several of his relatives.

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Because he's legally adopted into the family he then becomes blood.

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If he's adopted out of the family you cease to be blood, but in this instance he's been adopted in,

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so he then becomes Settle blood, well, the husband's name of course, he would take.

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Dave's visit has been an eye-opener.

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As I say, it's been a very interesting morning, I've enjoyed it.

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It's nice to learn about people you didn't know about who were in the family.

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And as well as learning about their cousin Chris,

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Tom and Frank will inherit a part of his £100,000 estate.

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The researchers have now confirmed family members on Chris's mother's side, so the complicated work

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of building up a family tree will have to begin all over again with his father's relatives.

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With the competition in mind,

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all manpower is being put on to the Betts inside and outside the office.

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OK, on the maternal side now, but now I've been

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moved across to the paternal side, where we're not up to speed with, so it's the Registry Office,

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get some certificates and, hopefully,

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we can get an early breakthrough.

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The team needs Paul to get Chris's father's birth certificate.

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The grandparents' names on it will allow them to check that

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all the siblings they found are part of the same family.

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Most of our efforts at the moment,

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and I think we have four, five...

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Five or six people looking at the Bett side of the family

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and they are entirely working on speculative information.

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There was quite a few of them and we can't identify

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the siblings of the father like we were able to on the mother's side.

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Neil won't have to wait long.

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Paul is next in the queue at the Registry Office.

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OK, there you go, sir. There's your certificate.

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-OK, that's great.

-If you just want to check over before you leave.

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OK, that's fine. Absolutely perfect. Thank you very much indeed.

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Cheers, thank you.

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Hello, Dave, got that birth now.

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We are the third company to have applied for it and somebody has already been in and got it.

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Right, this is 3rd September 1906.

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128 St Anne Street.

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Plain Frank.

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Dad was John Bett.

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Mum was Lydia Bett, formally Maw.

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M-A-W.

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Knowing that two other companies have this information, the researchers will have to work

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quickly to firm up Chris's aunts and uncles on his father's side, the Betts.

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At the moment the father of the deceased has three siblings, so he's one of four children, which,

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in the sort of time period, we're talking, that's perfectly fine.

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They've found that Frank Bett, Chris's father, was the eldest son and had a younger sister, Lydia,

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and two younger brothers, John and William, and they think there may be even more siblings to find.

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It is possible that...

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Frank being born in '06, he's definitely the oldest

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because the marriage is in 1905, it is possible that the next child after is Lydia, born in 1912.

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But I would expect another one. That may one may, of course, die off in infancy, we don't know at the moment.

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To get to the bottom of the age gap,

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the team get Paul, who is still at the Registry Office, on the case.

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A search through the archive proves the heir hunter's hunch was worth following up.

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We've found two of the births.

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OK, which two? Do you know which ones they were?

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-One is Ivy and one is Ellen.

-Ellen.

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OK, well, that's a good start, then.

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Now Chris's family tree is filling up.

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His father, Frank, had five siblings

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who would all be Chris's uncles and aunts, and the latest find is that

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one of them, Lydia, had two sons who would be cousins and heirs.

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But these are not candidates for the travelling heir hunters to see.

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We've them up to date and we have them up to date in Australia.

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It's in South Australia, which is the best part of Australia for us because

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it's got a greater time difference, so it means we can now phone them.

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It's 10pm in Australia, but with rivals on the tail, the team can't afford to leave it until tomorrow.

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Oh, hello. Is that Jeffrey Sommers? Hello. I'm sorry to trouble you.

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My name is David Milchard. I'm calling from London in England.

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I don't know if it's too late in the evening there, but I'm trying

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to trace a family by the name of Sommers that originally came from Liverpool.

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Now, would you be a Jeffrey Peter Sommers

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that was born in Birkenhead in 1942?

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-Correct, is it?

-Another heir found and he gives David details for his other brother in Australia,

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also entitled to a stake in the £100,000 estate.

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With other heir-hunting companies on their tail, the team are not leaving anything to chance today.

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David Milchard is ditching his plan to write to Chris's cousin Sheila to sign her up

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and instead he's sending a third travelling heir hunter to see her.

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I've phoned Sheila Knox up earlier this morning.

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She's the daughter of the deceased's aunt, Elsie Jones,

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and we're now trying to get back in touch with to see if Dave Hadley, now he's free, can go and see her.

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-Hello, Mrs Knox?

-Yes.

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David Hadley from Fraser and Fraser.

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-Do come in.

-Thank you very much.

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I've been expecting you.

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Thank you.

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I've got a fair amount of information about you, but what I'd like to do is

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just ask you a few questions about your family background.

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I mean, that will confirm that we've got the right person and that the information we've got is accurate,

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but you might be able to fill in some bits of information that we have got.

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Sheila and her husband know a little bit about Chris's branch of the family and even though

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he spent many years not knowing that he was adopted, it seems that it wasn't a family secret.

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-He was never ever told he was adopted.

-Was he not?

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-Everybody knew in the family.

-Right.

-Even I knew.

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But we think he found out because when Sheila's mother died her brother rang him

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and he was very short.

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-Very short with...

-Right.

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So, we don't know... He certainly didn't know.

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For Sheila, Dave's visit has sparked some regrets.

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Having had this surprise,

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it's made me think about my mother and I wish that

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I had sat her down more and talked to her when she lived here.

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She lived here for six years, I ought to have sat her down and had a long conversation with her,

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but I don't think you think about it and it would have been nice to have known.

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She would have been able to tell a lot more than I can.

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-Thank you, bye-bye.

-Bye.

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-Bye-bye.

-Really nice lady, nice family.

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She's agreed to use our services, so at the end of the day

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I think it's a job well done and I'm just about to make my way home now.

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With another heir signed up the researchers have had

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an extremely successful day, staying well ahead of the competition.

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I think really we've found just probably short of half a... Or about a dozen heirs in total, I think,

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that we'll have on this, and I think we're in contact with or have spoken to probably eight or nine of them.

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One or two we will just have to write to,

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but a dozen heirs in a day is pretty good going.

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We've done more than one heir an hour, so I don't know if that's a stat to be proud of or anything,

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but it seems pretty good to us.

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Paul is on his way to see two final heirs.

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Arthur and Deborah are cousins of Chris on his mother's side.

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Arthur cares for his sister who has cerebral palsy.

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Good afternoon. My name is Paul Matthews from a probate research company called Fraser and Fraser.

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-Mr Hewitt?

-It is.

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We're dealing with an estate of somebody who has passed away without

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making a will and we're trying to find relatives.

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-Would you like to come on inside?

-Thank you very much, indeed.

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Paul fills Arthur in on the details.

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He and Deborah are both eligible for a stake in Chris's £100,000 estate.

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Some of the relatives I had knowledge of, but only sort of glancing knowledge, no deep insight

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into them at all whatsoever. So, yeah, I was surprised that the family was so far flung, yeah, absolutely.

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Anything that did arrive would be really surplus to requirements

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because basically we have all that we need here.

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It's of no real consequence whatsoever,

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but if it were a substantial sum well, obviously, we would be able

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to go on joint holidays together and have carers go with us, which at the moment were not able to do.

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The fact that Arthur and all Chris's other heirs will benefit

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from his legacy seems fitting given that in his lifetime Chris was known for his willingness to help others,

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a trait that makes his loss keenly felt amongst his friends.

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I mean, there is a sort of, you could say like a selfishness

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because he was so willing to help

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and I miss him. I do miss him because when...

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A friend in need is a friend indeed,

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and, you know, the guy was talented

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and helpful and sometimes in life

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I just can't do certain things and Chris was on the end of the phone,

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and, "Chris, I'm stuck, this is broke", and obviously,

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you know, that is from a selfish point of view,

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I miss that, but I also miss him because, yeah, we all loved him.

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Yeah, we loved him.

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Lord Teviot has been researching the case of Daisy Hart,

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who died intestate, leaving a £12,000 estate.

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He believed that she was given away as a baby

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because she was illegitimate, and has tracked down the nephew of her birth mother, John Waller.

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John was amazed to hear the details of his aunt's secret.

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She didn't have a lot, but apart from her love,

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and she would have loved that baby, I know she would have done.

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It must have been really heartbreaking for her to hand it over like that.

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And when she was with us, with our kids and with Irene

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and her kids and my other sister's kids, it must have gone

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through her mind - I wonder where mine is?

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When Annie fell pregnant with Daisy, she was not married.

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This was in 1922, a time when having a child outside wedlock

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was not acceptable, giving the baby away was often the only option.

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Local newspapers would carry advertisements for babies

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that were up for adoption and there were also adoption societies who found new families for the children.

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The shame of illegitimacy meant the birth of a baby

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like Daisy would be kept a secret and often never talked about again.

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The term of adoption in her case,

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would probably have been an informal one, yes, indeed.

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I mean, they obviously just changed her name.

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She wasn't... She hadn't had her name changed by deed poll or any of that sort of thing at all.

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So, that would have been informal, and I think in fact she was fostered

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as we now know it rather than was, you know, legally adopted.

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There were no formal adoption laws

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until 1926, so when Daisy was taken in by the Parkinsons in 1923,

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it would have been an informal arrangement.

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Well, if somebody who was adopted today,

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they would relinquish all ties with their natural family

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and be with their adoptive family whom they would be entitled to.

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But because Daisy's adoption was never formalised, her inheritance goes to her birth family.

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This means her adoptive nephew Peter would not be eligible to inherit.

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Her biological family would take precedence.

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I knew that Bubbles was adopted, but I certainly didn't know anything

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whatsoever about Daisy's circumstances.

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Daisy's birth mother, Annie Billings,

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had seven brothers and sisters and their children would all inherit.

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John Waller is Daisy's cousin and heir.

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He and his wife, Laura, are pleased that Annie's secret has finally come to light.

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I think, in a sense, that this is like a tribute to her,

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and a little compensation,

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for the fact that she was not allowed to openly admit

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that she did have a child.

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John and Laura were very fond of Annie.

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She was very open, very friendly and she always

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played with the children.

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I know when she used to come down and visit us as kids after the war,

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and on the Sunday night she used to go back there was always tears in the house

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when it was time for her to go. Always. I remember that well.

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Charles is on his way to see John and Laura to show them

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the evidence he's accumulated so far,

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but he may still have to find more.

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In this case it's not straightforward.

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There's no absolute proof, no document or anything to give us

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to say that Daisy Billings

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did become Parkinson.

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I have had a word with somebody at the Treasury Solicitor's Office

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and they said, you know, it does look a bit slim, but if one can prove

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absolutely or the likelihood of this happening they would consider it.

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If the Treasury don't accept Charles's case, Daisy's inheritance will remain unclaimed.

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It's a significant day in the Waller household.

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John's sister, Irene, who is also a potential heir,

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has come over to hear how Charles tracked down her cousin Daisy.

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So, how old was she when she had it?

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She was born in 1894. Yes, and Daisy came in 1923.

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-1923, yeah. So, she was 28, 29.

-Yeah.

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Laura remembers the moment she and John talked to his mother about Annie's child.

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And she was very surprised and very, very reluctant

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to even answer, but she did and she said, yes, that is true.

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She had a girl,

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a baby girl. She named her Daisy.

0:41:320:41:35

-Ah.

-She named her Daisy and she went to her grandparents'

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in Tunbridge Wells to have her, and that's all I know, she said.

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And we never talked about it again.

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As well as the family history, Charles gets down to discussing the details of Daisy's estate.

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If the Treasury accept the claim there could be 23 relatives eligible for a share.

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I don't think the estate is all that big, it's probably about 12,000 something.

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So, hopefully, quite soon a claim will go in.

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Daisy's estate may provide a small windfall for her family,

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but the greater reward for them is finally being able to learn about her life.

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It's a bittersweet discovery.

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If she'd been miles away at the other end of the country or something,

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then it wouldn't have been so bad,

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but knowing that she was only 13 miles away in Tunbridge Wells, that's a 30-minute drive from here.

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So near, yet so far because we didn't know she existed, or didn't know where she was or where she lived.

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Otherwise, she'd have had another family

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and we'd have had another cousin.

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