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Heir hunters spend their lives tracking down the families of people who died without leaving a will. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
They hand over thousands of pounds to long-lost relatives | 0:00:06 | 0:00:10 | |
who had no idea they were in line for a windfall. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
On today's programme, two cases involving adoption threaten to stump the heir hunters. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:40 | |
With stiff competition on a £100,000 estate they can't afford to waste any time. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:46 | |
We're the third company to have applied for it and somebody has already been in and got it. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
And in trying to find heirs for Daisy Hart, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
they uncover the story of a woman's hidden sorrow at giving up her only child. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
She'd have loved that baby, I know she would have done. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
It must have been really heartbreaking for her to hand it over like that. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
And we'll have details of some of the hundreds of unclaimed estates. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
Could you be in line for a windfall? | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
More than two thirds of people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
If they had no obvious relatives, their money goes to the Government | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
who last year made a staggering £18 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:25 | |
That's where the heir hunters step in. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
Which is why the cousins, such as you, end up inheriting. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
There are more than 30 heir hunting companies who, for a share of the estate, | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
make it their business to track down the rightful kin. Last year they claimed back | 0:01:37 | 0:01:42 | |
five million pounds for unsuspecting heirs who would have otherwise gone empty-handed. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:48 | |
It's a real life-changing event when that cheque finally does drop on their doorstep. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:53 | |
It's 6.30am in London at Fraser and Fraser, one of the largest heir hunting companies in the UK. | 0:01:57 | 0:02:04 | |
The Government list of people who have died without a will has been announced. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
Heir hunters work on commission, so it's all about getting to the heirs | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
before the other companies and signing them up. | 0:02:12 | 0:02:14 | |
The first priority is to quickly work out which cases are of value. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
Today a case worth an estimated £100,000 has caught the eye of partner Neil Fraser. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:27 | |
We're actually working a case of Bett. B-E-T-T. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
It's up in the Wirral, or Liverpool, area. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
At the moment all we really know is it's Christopher John Bett. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
He's meant to be born in 1945, which is quite young really, it's quite a young deceased. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:44 | |
Christopher Bett died in Liverpool in 2008. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
He's remembered fondly by his friend of 20 years, Michael Kennedy. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
I know we're all unique, it's often said, but he was, you know? | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
I mean, his appearance, his mannerisms. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
Every time you were seeing him he had a cigarette in one hand | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
and a cup of tea in the other hand, covered in oil and grease. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
But he was a very talented man and the main thing is, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:13 | |
in my view, is this thing of not judging a book by the cover. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:18 | |
You know, open the book, look inside and when you looked inside on Chris, he was just a gem. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:25 | |
Chris was gifted at fixing engines, a talent which he was happy to share. | 0:03:25 | 0:03:30 | |
He was very, very helpful to all us as a group of friends. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:35 | |
He was always there for us and he was always there to help | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
in any problems that we had and we really still miss him. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
Chris died in 2008 without leaving a will and with an estate of £100,000, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:50 | |
all of which will go to the Government unless heirs can be found. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:54 | |
Chris spent his life in the Liverpool area and the team know that having someone primed | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
for action on location could save hours of research compared to what they can do in the office. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:07 | |
There are people they can call on for just this purpose. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
The firm employ a squad of travelling heir hunters, | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
many of them are ex-policeman and use their skills to interview neighbours, | 0:04:17 | 0:04:22 | |
get their hands on key documents and find clues to crack the case, hopefully before other companies. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:28 | |
And when heirs have been found, they speed over to sign them up and get their commission. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
Dave Mansell is one of the company's senior researchers, based in Manchester. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
We're off to Merseyside today. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:46 | |
We're halfway there. A new case. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
The deceased is called Bett, his surname, B-E-T-T. Christopher. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:55 | |
Died earlier this year. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:56 | |
We think there's a property involved so think the case is worth working, so... | 0:04:56 | 0:05:03 | |
While Dave is en route, in the office they're searching for a record of Chris's birth | 0:05:03 | 0:05:09 | |
which, so far, they can't find. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:11 | |
However, they have had some success finding details for Chris's immediate family. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:17 | |
From the old electoral rolls we can see what appears to be the mother, Emily. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:22 | |
She possibly dies in 1995, which probably makes her born in 1907. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
Upstairs, case manager David Sleegh | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
is about to put in some early morning calls to the neighbours. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:34 | |
It's 7.30am, so he'll need all his charm. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:38 | |
It's hit and miss with the telephone enquiries, but sometimes you get lucky. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
You might find someone who knew the deceased well. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:46 | |
I wouldn't bet on it, ho, ho, ho. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:50 | |
Did you know if he ever had any brothers or sisters? | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
He might have been adopted. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
Was the family ever visited by other relatives, do you know? | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
Cousins or aunts and uncles? | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
Oh, so... | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
So, his mother had a sister. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
Can you remember what her name was? | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
Thank you very much indeed for your time. I really appreciate that. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:20 | |
Bye-bye, now. Bye-bye. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
That's about the best enquiry I've done in ages, that. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
David's charm has paid off with several useful pieces of information. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
He has found that Chris had at least one aunt and was adopted. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:37 | |
He has also found out information about Chris's father. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
Father would have died pre-April 1979 - Frank, or... | 0:06:41 | 0:06:45 | |
John or Frank, but that's... | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
If we can find some electoral on it. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:51 | |
The father's name gives the researchers vital clues to be working | 0:06:51 | 0:06:53 | |
on building Chris's family tree, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
but his adoption throws up problems. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
Christopher has been adopted. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
It means from a legal point of view, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:03 | |
from a research point of view, we research the adopted family. | 0:07:03 | 0:07:07 | |
So, we research the Bett family, which is all good with us. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
But, it's very, very hard for us to search for these adoptions. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:16 | |
We can't search for siblings on an adoption. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
We can't search for other people adopted into the family. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
We're still going to work the Bett family, which is good. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
And it explains why we can't find a birth for it, with him being adopted, so that all ties in. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
Ordinarily, heir hunters would use the deceased's birth records | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
to find the names of the parents. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
They could then build a family tree to find siblings and work out potential heirs. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:44 | |
However, as Chris was adopted, | 0:07:44 | 0:07:45 | |
they can't use his birth certificate to confirm the names | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
of his adoptive parents, so they have to search | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
using other resources, such as the electoral roll. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
Chris found out about his adoption after his mother died. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:59 | |
The discovery had a powerful impact on him, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
as his friend Michael recalls. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
It was a shattering blow to him, really, you know? | 0:08:06 | 0:08:09 | |
The realisation of it, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:12 | |
that it wasn't his actual mother was very difficult for him, you know? | 0:08:12 | 0:08:18 | |
Although Chris struggled with the news of his adoption, his adopted family, the Betts, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:24 | |
are legally viewed as blood relatives and will be eligible to inherit his £100,000 estate. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:30 | |
But with no heirs found yet Neil is sending another traveller, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:33 | |
Paul Matthews, to hunt down more information. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:38 | |
So, can you head up to Liverpool and when you get close I'll tell you what you're doing. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:43 | |
OK, cheers. Bye. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
What we've done there is just double up on our travellers | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
and I also want to make sure we've two people on the road to try and beat off some of the competition. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:57 | |
We are bound to get some. | 0:08:57 | 0:08:58 | |
So, that's Paul going up there as well, so Paul and Dave both on the road at the minute to Liverpool. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:05 | |
Like Neil, Paul is aware that the stakes are high. | 0:09:05 | 0:09:08 | |
It won't be a secret by now that it's an estate that's worth looking at. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
So, yeah, we'll be doing it, other companies will be having a look, as well. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
So, the race is on. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:18 | |
With two travelling heir hunters on their way to the action, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
-the office now need to get down to some hard research. -It is Frank? | 0:09:22 | 0:09:25 | |
-It is. -It's definitely Frank? | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
Yeah. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:30 | |
The first finding is that the neighbours were right about Chris's adopted father. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:36 | |
His name was Frank Bett. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
Chris's adopted mother was Emily Settle, whose name the team believe is easier to research. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:44 | |
They're looking for Settles who'd be in the right period and location to be part of Chris's family. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:51 | |
Because there's a lot of information on it, we need to throw a lot | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
of bodies at it initially, | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
but it's all kind of organised panic. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
Hopefully it'll settle down in a minute and we'll start to know | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
where we stand because a lot of it's very speculative now. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
Some of it we know, and it's tying in stuff we don't know with what we do know. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:14 | |
So far the researchers have found four Settles | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
who could be Chris's aunts | 0:10:17 | 0:10:19 | |
and uncles on his mother's side - Elsie, William, Frank and Hilda. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
Until they get a call from David with the relevant birth certificates | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
they can't prove any of it, but before he goes to pick them up, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:35 | |
he's still got time to do a bit of detective work in Chris's street. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
Well, the Registry Office doesn't open until ten o'clock on a Thursday morning on the Wirral, | 0:10:39 | 0:10:45 | |
so we've got time to do it. It's only 8.40am now, | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
although it looks like midnight with the weather. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
But when he gets there, he realises he's not alone. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
Morning. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
-Morning. -He's got a rival. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
-Paul Marks, Celtic Research. -With two people on the same street it's getting quite cosy. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:10 | |
Well, that's a good guess that, seeing as we're stood outside the house, yeah. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:14 | |
It's going to be a race to meet the neighbours. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:17 | |
This looks like they're away. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:19 | |
They are only so many houses to go round. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:26 | |
-The gent that used to live across the road that died, Chris. -Yes. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
-I believe he used to go sailing with your husband, didn't he? -He did, yeah. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
For David, it's all getting a bit close for comfort. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
We just want to know if you know anything about him. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
Barry was very friendly with him and my husband was, as well, because they were both... | 0:11:38 | 0:11:44 | |
They shared the cars together... | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
While David and the competition are going round the houses, case manager David Milchard | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
is already working on trying to confirm the information they've got, starting with Chris's Uncle Frank. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:58 | |
Right, we've got an uncle, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:03 | |
a maternal uncle of the deceased. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
He's survived by a son called Frank | 0:12:05 | 0:12:09 | |
and he's living in... | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
Wallasey at the moment, so... | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
He's not on the telephone so we're trying to contact him and, hopefully, he'll give us a bit | 0:12:14 | 0:12:20 | |
of information, confirm whether we have the right family or not. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
Frank Settle is a potential cousin and therefore heir, but as he's not on the phone they'll need to send | 0:12:24 | 0:12:29 | |
someone in person to confirm he's part of the right family. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:34 | |
I've got a possible cousin, Chris. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
-You're not in earshot of anyone, are you? -I'm just walking to my car now. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
I'll ring you in two secs. Bye. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
He's just walking to his car. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:49 | |
I can't be doing with that. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
We've discovered that he's got a relative living in Wallasey, | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
so we're about to make our way there | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
to try and be first. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:07 | |
Armed with the information, David could be on his way to his first heir, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
but as the competition is hot on his heels, time could be running out. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:19 | |
With £100,000 at stake, can he get to the heirs first? | 0:13:19 | 0:13:24 | |
Heir hunting isn't just based in the hustle and bustle of London. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
With potential heirs to be found anywhere up and down the country, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:40 | |
the race to find beneficiaries to unclaimed estates can take place anywhere. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:45 | |
In the sleepy suburbs of Burgess Hill, Sussex, | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
one independent operation makes a point of taking old cases that other companies have overlooked. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:55 | |
One is sort of almost doing a service because you probably | 0:13:55 | 0:13:58 | |
find genealogists won't go after the smaller cases. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
Well, quite a lot of them, you do get letters from them, and say they are grateful you have taken the trouble | 0:14:02 | 0:14:08 | |
to discover them after all this time. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:10 | |
Charles, the Lord Teviot, is a hereditary peer with a keen interest in family history. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:16 | |
He and his wife, Lady Teviot, both run their own heir hunting companies. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
You've got it? You've found the thing? | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
-I've found it. -But although Charles tends to go for the smaller cases, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
it doesn't necessarily make his job easier, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
as was proven in the case of Daisy Hart. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:35 | |
Daisy Hart died in Hartley Nursing Home in Kent in 1996 | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
leaving a £12,000 estate and no will. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
She outlived her husband and had no children. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
Daisy's nephew Peter Hart remembers his aunt, | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
although they weren't close. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
Daisy married my uncle, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
who was Harold, but in the family | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
was known as Bubbles. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
She was a bit on the timid side. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
She was short. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
Bubbles was considerably taller than her. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:16 | |
That's all I can say. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
Oh, well, I've looked, but I've got no photographs whatsoever of them. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:27 | |
Although he doesn't have any photos of her, a visit to the house | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
where his Aunt Daisy and his grandparents once lived brings back some memories for Peter. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
Well, this is where my grandparents lived | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
and Bubbles and Daisy... | 0:15:44 | 0:15:48 | |
took the house over... | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
after Granddad died. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
And if I remember rightly, down in that room down there, | 0:15:56 | 0:16:02 | |
there was a table in the window and an aspidistra. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
I haven't been round here for years. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
Heir hunters frequently deal with families who weren't close or have grown apart over time. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:17 | |
However, in Daisy's case, her heirs would prove to be | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
in a different family altogether thanks to a secret in her past. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
At his home office, Charles found the case advertised on the Treasury's list of unclaimed estates | 0:16:27 | 0:16:33 | |
and began his investigation by looking for Daisy's birth and death details. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:38 | |
We found that Daisy had died in the Tunbridge Wells district, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:43 | |
so we applied for that certificate | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
and found that Daisy | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
was born | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
on 20 January 1923, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
and her maiden name was Parkinson. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
Once Charles had Daisy's death certificate, the next stage was | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
to try and find her birth record so that he could trace her parents and then potential siblings. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:08 | |
As you can see, in the marked quarter of 1923 | 0:17:14 | 0:17:20 | |
there is no Daisy Parkinson | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
being born. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
Not being able to find her birth record threw a spanner in the works | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
because it's the starting point for all heir hunters. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
Like in all these cases, the first thing you do is you want to find the person's birth. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
And then from the person's birth, their parents' marriage, | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
and then brothers and sisters and you go on like that. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
Well, in this case with Daisy Hart you didn't get over the first hurdle. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
You were just stuck and unable to find her birth, which I suppose if | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
somebody else had looked at it in the past would have probably given up. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
But Charles refused to admit defeat, and broadened his search to include | 0:17:56 | 0:18:02 | |
all Daisies born in that year and area, just in case she had changed her name. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
So, therefore one did come up against a Daisy Billings. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:12 | |
He checked this Daisy Billings' birth certificate and found that | 0:18:12 | 0:18:17 | |
there were some similarities between her and Daisy Hart. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:21 | |
That was interesting when one found the certificate. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:24 | |
She was born on the same birth date, 28th of January 1923. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:29 | |
At 56 Vale Road, Tunbridge. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
Not only did the Daisies share the same name, but they seemed | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
to live in the same area and shared the same date of birth, but this was not all the certificate revealed. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:42 | |
Father, blank. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:44 | |
Mother, Annie Billings, a domestic servant. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
Rank or profession of father, blank. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
Well, quite frankly, Daisy was born illegitimate, I suppose you could put it like that. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:57 | |
Charles thought he had found the answer to the mystery. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
He suspected that Daisy was an illegitimate child and that she had been adopted, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
which is why her maiden name was down as Parkinson rather than Billings on her death certificate. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:10 | |
To confirm his theory, he did more research on the woman he thought | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
was Daisy's biological mother, Anne Billings. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:17 | |
So, the next thing is to find out what happened to the mother. | 0:19:17 | 0:19:21 | |
One never found a marriage for an Anne Billings or Annie Billings, | 0:19:21 | 0:19:26 | |
so then one had to look for the poor lady's death. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
Charles found Annie Billings' death certificate. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
The person who provided the information on it was her nephew John Waller. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
If John knew that his Aunt Annie had had a baby girl and given her away, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:42 | |
this would strengthen Charles' case | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
that Annie Billings was Daisy's birth mother. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
It would also mean that John would be a blood cousin of Daisy's. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
When John got the phone call, he was more than a little surprised to hear Daisy's name. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
When he spoke about Annie, Annie Billings and had a daughter | 0:19:57 | 0:20:03 | |
called Daisy, I thought, blimey O'Reilly. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:06 | |
Well, if you haven't heard anybody's name mentioned or heard anything from anybody for 30-odd years, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:12 | |
and suddenly, out of the blue, when you least expect it, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
start talking about somebody, it is a blast from the past and it knocks the stuffing out of you. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:22 | |
John's Aunt Annie had been a regular visitor in the Waller household, | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
but John only found out that she had had a daughter a couple of years after her death in 1970, | 0:20:26 | 0:20:32 | |
when he was at a family celebration. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:35 | |
Eileen, one of the girls up there, told us. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:37 | |
My cousins had said about it, that Annie had had this baby and that was the first we knew. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:42 | |
It doesn't seem as if anybody else knew about it either. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:44 | |
I spoke to my mother when we came back here and she said her name | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
was Daisy and she went to Tunbridge Wells, we thought, to have this baby. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
This information was the first piece of evidence that Charles was right, | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
and that Annie Billings had given away her daughter, Daisy, to be adopted into the Parkinson family, | 0:20:56 | 0:21:02 | |
but would this piece of gossip be enough to make a case, | 0:21:02 | 0:21:06 | |
and who would inherit her estate? | 0:21:06 | 0:21:08 | |
Her adoptive nephew Peter or her blood nephew John? | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
For every case that is solved, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:22 | |
there are still those that stubbornly remain a mystery. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
Currently over 3,000 names drawn from across the country are on the Treasury's unsolved case list. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:33 | |
Their assets will be kept for up to 30 years in the hope that eventually | 0:21:36 | 0:21:39 | |
someone will remember and come forward to claim their inheritance. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:45 | |
With estates valued at anything from 5,000 to millions of pounds, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:52 | |
the rightful heirs are out there somewhere. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:57 | |
Maria Esther Gill, born Desilva Garrido, died in Dudley | 0:21:57 | 0:22:01 | |
in the West Midlands in June 2007. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
Is this a name you remember from your family? | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
Could she be one of your distant relatives? | 0:22:09 | 0:22:12 | |
Gladys Mary Glover, otherwise known as Gladys Huxley Jones, died in Clapham in February 2006. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:23 | |
Do you hold the key to the case? | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
Could you be in line for a payout? | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
Both these cases have unusual names, Desilva Gorrido and Huxley Jones. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:33 | |
If they belong to your family you could be in line for a windfall. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
The heir hunters are trying to trace the family of Chris Bett, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:47 | |
who died leaving a £100,000 estate but no will. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:51 | |
They know other companies are onto the same case so they've got to work fast. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:56 | |
So far they know Chris was adopted so they are on the trail of his adoptive family, the Betts. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:02 | |
They think they've found four aunts and uncles on Chris's mother's side, Elsie, William, Frank and Hilda, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:09 | |
but these are all speculative untill they get proof, either from | 0:23:09 | 0:23:13 | |
a certificate or a family member. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
It's only 10.00am and already one travelling researcher is on the way to a potential heir, and a second, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:22 | |
Paul Matthews, has almost arrived in Liverpool and wants to know what his mission will be. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:28 | |
We're about 30 miles from where we want to be, | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
so it's... I don't know which office manager is dealing, so it's a good time to find out | 0:23:32 | 0:23:37 | |
exactly where they want me | 0:23:37 | 0:23:39 | |
because things obviously can change while I'm on the way up here. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:46 | |
The office are still desperate to confirm which of their speculative | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
names are right and which aren't, so they need to get some certificates. | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
The first thing we need then is the birth of the mother, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:58 | |
it's Emily Hester Settle. | 0:23:58 | 0:24:02 | |
Chris's mother's birth certificate | 0:24:02 | 0:24:03 | |
could be all the team needs to unravel the case. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:08 | |
That will tell us the name of her parents. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
The office seem to think it's Thomas William Settle and Emily Jane Church. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:17 | |
Although they are still working without proof, the office are pulling in more potential relatives | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
on the mother's side and the approach is yielding results. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
They find a daughter of Chris's Aunt Elsie, Sheila, who would be Chris's cousin. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:31 | |
We've now just identified our second heir, or second potential heir, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:36 | |
because we're still working from a top line up here which is incredibly speculative. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
David Milchard is wasting no time in speaking to Sheila to check she's related to Chris. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:45 | |
Oh, hello. Is this that Mrs Knox? | 0:24:45 | 0:24:49 | |
Hello, there. I'm sorry to trouble you, my name is David Milchard. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:52 | |
I'm calling from London. | 0:24:52 | 0:24:54 | |
I'm trying to trace a family in connection with an estate my company is dealing with. | 0:24:54 | 0:24:58 | |
Did your mum have any brothers or sisters at all? | 0:24:58 | 0:25:02 | |
Frances, yeah. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:04 | |
And Cecily. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:09 | |
It looks like they're on to the right family. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
Sheila has confirmed that her and Emily had two brothers, William and Frank. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:17 | |
There was no Hilda but there were two more aunts the office hadn't found, Cecily and Frances. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:23 | |
It's great news, but will it put them ahead of the competition? | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
Dave has managed to lose his pursuer and has arrived at the house | 0:25:27 | 0:25:30 | |
of Frank Settle, who could be Chris's cousin. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
If this is the case, he may be the first heir of the day to sign up. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
How many children did your parents have? | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
There was my sister and... | 0:25:42 | 0:25:45 | |
Four... | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
Five, sorry. Four lads and one girl. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:51 | |
-Five altogether. -Yeah. -Right. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:54 | |
Frank is definitely part of the same family, but doesn't know anything about Chris. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
He does however have a brother, Tom, who lives just over a mile away. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
-If David can get to him quickly, he could have two heirs signed up in succession. -All the best. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:09 | |
OK, all the best, yeah. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:11 | |
-Cheers, now. -OK, bye. -Bye bye. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:12 | |
Bye. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
When David gets to Tom's house he learns that there's an explanation | 0:26:16 | 0:26:21 | |
for why the brothers know so little about their cousin Chris. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
The real issue is here is that there was trouble between my mother and my father's family | 0:26:25 | 0:26:32 | |
and we virtually had nothing at all to do with any of them. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
The only one we had anything to do with in particular was Elsie. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
As the family were not close, Tom was unaware of several of his relatives. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
Because he's legally adopted into the family he then becomes blood. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:48 | |
If he's adopted out of the family you cease to be blood, but in this instance he's been adopted in, | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
so he then becomes Settle blood, well, the husband's name of course, he would take. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:58 | |
Dave's visit has been an eye-opener. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:01 | |
As I say, it's been a very interesting morning, I've enjoyed it. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
It's nice to learn about people you didn't know about who were in the family. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
And as well as learning about their cousin Chris, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
Tom and Frank will inherit a part of his £100,000 estate. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:16 | |
The researchers have now confirmed family members on Chris's mother's side, so the complicated work | 0:27:16 | 0:27:22 | |
of building up a family tree will have to begin all over again with his father's relatives. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:28 | |
With the competition in mind, | 0:27:28 | 0:27:30 | |
all manpower is being put on to the Betts inside and outside the office. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
OK, on the maternal side now, but now I've been | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
moved across to the paternal side, where we're not up to speed with, so it's the Registry Office, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:46 | |
get some certificates and, hopefully, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:48 | |
we can get an early breakthrough. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
The team needs Paul to get Chris's father's birth certificate. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
The grandparents' names on it will allow them to check that | 0:27:54 | 0:27:57 | |
all the siblings they found are part of the same family. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
Most of our efforts at the moment, | 0:28:01 | 0:28:04 | |
and I think we have four, five... | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
Five or six people looking at the Bett side of the family | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
and they are entirely working on speculative information. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
There was quite a few of them and we can't identify | 0:28:15 | 0:28:20 | |
the siblings of the father like we were able to on the mother's side. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:22 | |
Neil won't have to wait long. | 0:28:22 | 0:28:25 | |
Paul is next in the queue at the Registry Office. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
OK, there you go, sir. There's your certificate. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
-OK, that's great. -If you just want to check over before you leave. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
OK, that's fine. Absolutely perfect. Thank you very much indeed. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:37 | |
Cheers, thank you. | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
Hello, Dave, got that birth now. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:40 | |
We are the third company to have applied for it and somebody has already been in and got it. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
Right, this is 3rd September 1906. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:50 | |
128 St Anne Street. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
Plain Frank. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:56 | |
Dad was John Bett. | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
Mum was Lydia Bett, formally Maw. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:03 | |
M-A-W. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
Knowing that two other companies have this information, the researchers will have to work | 0:29:05 | 0:29:10 | |
quickly to firm up Chris's aunts and uncles on his father's side, the Betts. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:15 | |
At the moment the father of the deceased has three siblings, so he's one of four children, which, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:21 | |
in the sort of time period, we're talking, that's perfectly fine. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:24 | |
They've found that Frank Bett, Chris's father, was the eldest son and had a younger sister, Lydia, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:31 | |
and two younger brothers, John and William, and they think there may be even more siblings to find. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:37 | |
It is possible that... | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
Frank being born in '06, he's definitely the oldest | 0:29:40 | 0:29:45 | |
because the marriage is in 1905, it is possible that the next child after is Lydia, born in 1912. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:51 | |
But I would expect another one. That may one may, of course, die off in infancy, we don't know at the moment. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:57 | |
To get to the bottom of the age gap, | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
the team get Paul, who is still at the Registry Office, on the case. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
A search through the archive proves the heir hunter's hunch was worth following up. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:08 | |
We've found two of the births. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:12 | |
OK, which two? Do you know which ones they were? | 0:30:12 | 0:30:14 | |
-One is Ivy and one is Ellen. -Ellen. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:17 | |
OK, well, that's a good start, then. | 0:30:17 | 0:30:19 | |
Now Chris's family tree is filling up. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
His father, Frank, had five siblings | 0:30:22 | 0:30:24 | |
who would all be Chris's uncles and aunts, and the latest find is that | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
one of them, Lydia, had two sons who would be cousins and heirs. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:33 | |
But these are not candidates for the travelling heir hunters to see. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:38 | |
We've them up to date and we have them up to date in Australia. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:42 | |
It's in South Australia, which is the best part of Australia for us because | 0:30:42 | 0:30:47 | |
it's got a greater time difference, so it means we can now phone them. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:50 | |
It's 10pm in Australia, but with rivals on the tail, the team can't afford to leave it until tomorrow. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:58 | |
Oh, hello. Is that Jeffrey Sommers? Hello. I'm sorry to trouble you. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:03 | |
My name is David Milchard. I'm calling from London in England. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:07 | |
I don't know if it's too late in the evening there, but I'm trying | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
to trace a family by the name of Sommers that originally came from Liverpool. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:16 | |
Now, would you be a Jeffrey Peter Sommers | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
that was born in Birkenhead in 1942? | 0:31:22 | 0:31:25 | |
-Correct, is it? -Another heir found and he gives David details for his other brother in Australia, | 0:31:25 | 0:31:32 | |
also entitled to a stake in the £100,000 estate. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
With other heir-hunting companies on their tail, the team are not leaving anything to chance today. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:44 | |
David Milchard is ditching his plan to write to Chris's cousin Sheila to sign her up | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
and instead he's sending a third travelling heir hunter to see her. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:53 | |
I've phoned Sheila Knox up earlier this morning. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
She's the daughter of the deceased's aunt, Elsie Jones, | 0:31:58 | 0:32:02 | |
and we're now trying to get back in touch with to see if Dave Hadley, now he's free, can go and see her. | 0:32:02 | 0:32:10 | |
-Hello, Mrs Knox? -Yes. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:14 | |
David Hadley from Fraser and Fraser. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:15 | |
-Do come in. -Thank you very much. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
I've been expecting you. | 0:32:19 | 0:32:21 | |
Thank you. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:22 | |
I've got a fair amount of information about you, but what I'd like to do is | 0:32:22 | 0:32:27 | |
just ask you a few questions about your family background. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
I mean, that will confirm that we've got the right person and that the information we've got is accurate, | 0:32:30 | 0:32:36 | |
but you might be able to fill in some bits of information that we have got. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:41 | |
Sheila and her husband know a little bit about Chris's branch of the family and even though | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
he spent many years not knowing that he was adopted, it seems that it wasn't a family secret. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:52 | |
-He was never ever told he was adopted. -Was he not? | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
-Everybody knew in the family. -Right. -Even I knew. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:59 | |
But we think he found out because when Sheila's mother died her brother rang him | 0:32:59 | 0:33:05 | |
and he was very short. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:07 | |
-Very short with... -Right. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
So, we don't know... He certainly didn't know. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
For Sheila, Dave's visit has sparked some regrets. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
Having had this surprise, | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
it's made me think about my mother and I wish that | 0:33:19 | 0:33:24 | |
I had sat her down more and talked to her when she lived here. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
She lived here for six years, I ought to have sat her down and had a long conversation with her, | 0:33:27 | 0:33:32 | |
but I don't think you think about it and it would have been nice to have known. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
She would have been able to tell a lot more than I can. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
-Thank you, bye-bye. -Bye. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:41 | |
-Bye-bye. -Really nice lady, nice family. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
She's agreed to use our services, so at the end of the day | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
I think it's a job well done and I'm just about to make my way home now. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:53 | |
With another heir signed up the researchers have had | 0:33:53 | 0:33:56 | |
an extremely successful day, staying well ahead of the competition. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
I think really we've found just probably short of half a... Or about a dozen heirs in total, I think, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:07 | |
that we'll have on this, and I think we're in contact with or have spoken to probably eight or nine of them. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:13 | |
One or two we will just have to write to, | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
but a dozen heirs in a day is pretty good going. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:20 | |
We've done more than one heir an hour, so I don't know if that's a stat to be proud of or anything, | 0:34:20 | 0:34:26 | |
but it seems pretty good to us. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
Paul is on his way to see two final heirs. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:32 | |
Arthur and Deborah are cousins of Chris on his mother's side. | 0:34:32 | 0:34:36 | |
Arthur cares for his sister who has cerebral palsy. | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
Good afternoon. My name is Paul Matthews from a probate research company called Fraser and Fraser. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:44 | |
-Mr Hewitt? -It is. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
We're dealing with an estate of somebody who has passed away without | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
making a will and we're trying to find relatives. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
-Would you like to come on inside? -Thank you very much, indeed. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
Paul fills Arthur in on the details. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:00 | |
He and Deborah are both eligible for a stake in Chris's £100,000 estate. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:06 | |
Some of the relatives I had knowledge of, but only sort of glancing knowledge, no deep insight | 0:35:06 | 0:35:13 | |
into them at all whatsoever. So, yeah, I was surprised that the family was so far flung, yeah, absolutely. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:20 | |
Anything that did arrive would be really surplus to requirements | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
because basically we have all that we need here. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
It's of no real consequence whatsoever, | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
but if it were a substantial sum well, obviously, we would be able | 0:35:30 | 0:35:34 | |
to go on joint holidays together and have carers go with us, which at the moment were not able to do. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:41 | |
The fact that Arthur and all Chris's other heirs will benefit | 0:35:41 | 0:35:46 | |
from his legacy seems fitting given that in his lifetime Chris was known for his willingness to help others, | 0:35:46 | 0:35:53 | |
a trait that makes his loss keenly felt amongst his friends. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:58 | |
I mean, there is a sort of, you could say like a selfishness | 0:35:58 | 0:36:01 | |
because he was so willing to help | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
and I miss him. I do miss him because when... | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
A friend in need is a friend indeed, | 0:36:07 | 0:36:10 | |
and, you know, the guy was talented | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
and helpful and sometimes in life | 0:36:13 | 0:36:16 | |
I just can't do certain things and Chris was on the end of the phone, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:22 | |
and, "Chris, I'm stuck, this is broke", and obviously, | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
you know, that is from a selfish point of view, | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
I miss that, but I also miss him because, yeah, we all loved him. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
Yeah, we loved him. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:36 | |
Lord Teviot has been researching the case of Daisy Hart, | 0:36:43 | 0:36:47 | |
who died intestate, leaving a £12,000 estate. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
He believed that she was given away as a baby | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
because she was illegitimate, and has tracked down the nephew of her birth mother, John Waller. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:59 | |
John was amazed to hear the details of his aunt's secret. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:02 | |
She didn't have a lot, but apart from her love, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
and she would have loved that baby, I know she would have done. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
It must have been really heartbreaking for her to hand it over like that. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
And when she was with us, with our kids and with Irene | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
and her kids and my other sister's kids, it must have gone | 0:37:14 | 0:37:18 | |
through her mind - I wonder where mine is? | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
When Annie fell pregnant with Daisy, she was not married. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:24 | |
This was in 1922, a time when having a child outside wedlock | 0:37:24 | 0:37:29 | |
was not acceptable, giving the baby away was often the only option. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:34 | |
Local newspapers would carry advertisements for babies | 0:37:34 | 0:37:36 | |
that were up for adoption and there were also adoption societies who found new families for the children. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:43 | |
The shame of illegitimacy meant the birth of a baby | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
like Daisy would be kept a secret and often never talked about again. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:51 | |
The term of adoption in her case, | 0:37:51 | 0:37:53 | |
would probably have been an informal one, yes, indeed. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
I mean, they obviously just changed her name. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
She wasn't... She hadn't had her name changed by deed poll or any of that sort of thing at all. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
So, that would have been informal, and I think in fact she was fostered | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
as we now know it rather than was, you know, legally adopted. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:12 | |
There were no formal adoption laws | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
until 1926, so when Daisy was taken in by the Parkinsons in 1923, | 0:38:15 | 0:38:21 | |
it would have been an informal arrangement. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:24 | |
Well, if somebody who was adopted today, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:27 | |
they would relinquish all ties with their natural family | 0:38:27 | 0:38:32 | |
and be with their adoptive family whom they would be entitled to. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:39 | |
But because Daisy's adoption was never formalised, her inheritance goes to her birth family. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:44 | |
This means her adoptive nephew Peter would not be eligible to inherit. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:49 | |
Her biological family would take precedence. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
I knew that Bubbles was adopted, but I certainly didn't know anything | 0:38:53 | 0:38:58 | |
whatsoever about Daisy's circumstances. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:02 | |
Daisy's birth mother, Annie Billings, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
had seven brothers and sisters and their children would all inherit. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:10 | |
John Waller is Daisy's cousin and heir. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
He and his wife, Laura, are pleased that Annie's secret has finally come to light. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:21 | |
I think, in a sense, that this is like a tribute to her, | 0:39:21 | 0:39:27 | |
and a little compensation, | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
for the fact that she was not allowed to openly admit | 0:39:32 | 0:39:37 | |
that she did have a child. | 0:39:37 | 0:39:41 | |
John and Laura were very fond of Annie. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
She was very open, very friendly and she always | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
played with the children. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:53 | |
I know when she used to come down and visit us as kids after the war, | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
and on the Sunday night she used to go back there was always tears in the house | 0:39:57 | 0:40:02 | |
when it was time for her to go. Always. I remember that well. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
Charles is on his way to see John and Laura to show them | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
the evidence he's accumulated so far, | 0:40:11 | 0:40:14 | |
but he may still have to find more. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
In this case it's not straightforward. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:19 | |
There's no absolute proof, no document or anything to give us | 0:40:19 | 0:40:23 | |
to say that Daisy Billings | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
did become Parkinson. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
I have had a word with somebody at the Treasury Solicitor's Office | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
and they said, you know, it does look a bit slim, but if one can prove | 0:40:36 | 0:40:42 | |
absolutely or the likelihood of this happening they would consider it. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
If the Treasury don't accept Charles's case, Daisy's inheritance will remain unclaimed. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:52 | |
It's a significant day in the Waller household. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
John's sister, Irene, who is also a potential heir, | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
has come over to hear how Charles tracked down her cousin Daisy. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:03 | |
So, how old was she when she had it? | 0:41:03 | 0:41:05 | |
She was born in 1894. Yes, and Daisy came in 1923. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:09 | |
-1923, yeah. So, she was 28, 29. -Yeah. | 0:41:09 | 0:41:12 | |
Laura remembers the moment she and John talked to his mother about Annie's child. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:18 | |
And she was very surprised and very, very reluctant | 0:41:18 | 0:41:24 | |
to even answer, but she did and she said, yes, that is true. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:29 | |
She had a girl, | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
a baby girl. She named her Daisy. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
-Ah. -She named her Daisy and she went to her grandparents' | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
in Tunbridge Wells to have her, and that's all I know, she said. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
And we never talked about it again. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:46 | |
As well as the family history, Charles gets down to discussing the details of Daisy's estate. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:52 | |
If the Treasury accept the claim there could be 23 relatives eligible for a share. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:59 | |
I don't think the estate is all that big, it's probably about 12,000 something. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:03 | |
So, hopefully, quite soon a claim will go in. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
Daisy's estate may provide a small windfall for her family, | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
but the greater reward for them is finally being able to learn about her life. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:16 | |
It's a bittersweet discovery. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:17 | |
If she'd been miles away at the other end of the country or something, | 0:42:17 | 0:42:23 | |
then it wouldn't have been so bad, | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
but knowing that she was only 13 miles away in Tunbridge Wells, that's a 30-minute drive from here. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:30 | |
So near, yet so far because we didn't know she existed, or didn't know where she was or where she lived. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:38 | |
Otherwise, she'd have had another family | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
and we'd have had another cousin. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
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