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Heir hunters spend their lives tracking down the families of people who have died without a will.

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They hand over thousands of pounds to long-lost relatives

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who had no idea they were in line for a windfall.

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Could they be knocking at your door?

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On today's programme:

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the heir hunters encounter a man who left £35,000 but spent his last 40 years sleeping rough.

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I don't think he wanted any assistance, to be honest.

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I think he was content in what he was doing.

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And an entire office work against the clock to find heirs for a valuable estate.

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It's not yet quarter past eight, so if it is the right family

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and it's all correct, then that's not bad going.

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And we'll have details of some of the hundreds of unclaimed estates.

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Could you be in line for a windfall?

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More than two-thirds of people die without leaving a will.

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If they have no obvious relatives, their money goes to the government

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who last year made a staggering £18 million from unclaimed estates.

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That's where the heir hunters step in.

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Hi, I'm Paul Matthews from Frazer and Frazer.

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There are more than 30 heir hunting companies who, for a share of

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the estate, make it their business to track down the rightful kin.

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Last year, they claimed back £6.5 million for unsuspecting heirs

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who otherwise would have gone empty-handed.

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Our job is incredibly exciting.

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We're tracing family trees, delving back into people's history, delving

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back in time, looking at the hidden mysteries around people's families.

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Frazer and Frazer are one of the UK's largest heir-hunting companies.

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This morning, they've been looking over the government list of people

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who have died without a will which has just been published.

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And although it's only 7.15am, they're already working a case

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that's grabbed their attention - that of Irene Shepherd.

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They believe she owned and sold a property in Worcestershire worth an estimated £200,000.

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As the sale was only four years ago, most of this money could still be in her estate.

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It looks as though we've found the deceased birth and deceased parents.

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We have their names. For the moment, we're just searching for their

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deaths and that'll hopefully give us their dates of birth, and from that,

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-we'll get up and running.

-With a case of such value, the team are working

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quickly, as other companies are bound to be interested.

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They know that Irene had a sister Rosie and her parents were

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Charles Danks and Lily Williams, all of whom have died.

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If Irene didn't have any surviving children, the office will need to

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research the Danks and the Williams families to find heirs.

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Irene Shepherd died in 2008 aged 87 in Redditch, Worcestershire.

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Her friend and neighbour Jim Mills lived on her street and knew her for over 15 years.

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Rene would be about

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five foot tall,

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a little dumpy person -

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well, not, actually, fat or anything,

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a typical little dumpy person, grey hair,

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she had to use a stick to walk.

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She could be a good laugh at times, I can assure you.

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Irene and Jim shared a joke on the street where she lived over many years.

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And he remembers her as a charismatic lady.

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She didn't suffer fools gladly.

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But once she got to know you, she was a real good friend.

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But our most enjoyable times was when we used to walk down the road.

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Something as silly as that.

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We used to have a laugh and a joke.

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Because Irene died without leaving a will, her estimated £200,000 estate

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will all go to the Treasury unless heirs can be found.

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The team already know that Irene's parents were Charles Danks and Lily Williams.

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But as Williams is the third most common surname in England and Wales,

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they are working on her father's family name Danks first.

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They have had a lucky break using the Census as a research tool.

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The Census is a national survey conducted every ten years

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that provides vital heir-hunting information,

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such as names, ages and genders of people living in any given address at the time of the survey.

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The 1911 Census includes Irene's father's household.

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So, it's really progressed very quickly because of the Census.

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We've just identified as the top line

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births to the aunt and uncles of the deceased on the paternal side.

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Unfortunately, for us, it looks like

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the grandmother has ten children.

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Now, worst case scenario is they all have two children, and they have two children,

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and those are the ones we find, we're suddenly up to 30-odd beneficiaries.

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We'll have to see how it pans out in a few moments' time.

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Such a vital tool in anyone searching family history,

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that it just gives you the full details of the family without really doing a huge amount of work.

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With the help of the Census, the team know that Irene's father Charles Danks had nine siblings.

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Two died in infancy, but there were seven surviving brothers and sisters.

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Elsie, Joseph Ann, Albert, Walter, Phyllis and Frank.

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If they all had children, Irene would have had a myriad

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of cousins and potential heirs, so the team have plenty of work to do.

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What we're endeavouring to do is

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locate the deaths for all the males.

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Invariably, the females are going to be married so we're not going

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to know until we find the marriages what their surnames are.

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But we can go straight for the male lines.

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If the team can find death records for the men in the Danks family, they can dispatch researchers

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to go and pick up death certificates which will confirm their research.

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In anticipation of this, case manager David is

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briefing one of their travelling researchers Paul Matthews on the details of Irene's case.

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Looks like we may have a valuable one in Redditch.

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Irene Lilla Danks? Danks married Douglas Hague Shepard.

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S-H-E-P-A-R-D.

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The office have a whole team of travelling heir hunters

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who can be sent anywhere around the globe in the race to find heirs.

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Being at the right place at the right time can mean getting to

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a neighbour, certificate, or an heir before any of the other companies.

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Being first means having the best chance of getting a commission.

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As there are eight branches of the family to research,

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Paul is being joined by another travelling heir hunter, Bob Barrett.

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And in the office, it's furiously busy.

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As Irene's estate is worth an estimated £200,000, the entire office are working on it.

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They hope that they can get results in fast and beat the competition.

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It's been a fairly crazy sort of hour, really, trying to pin all this case together.

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We've only got the one case which we're running at the moment which has made it particularly hard,

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really, because we've suddenly got all the staff in.

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As you can see around us, there are 25 people in this room.

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We're all working on the same case at the moment, and I've been trying to get the five minutes to

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take a breath and make sure we're all working on what we should be working.

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But there's no breathing time for Neil.

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The team are close to finding heirs already.

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Just been looking for to see if I can find current addresses

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for a Brian and a Peter, and a Colin Golby.

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They're all first cousins of the deceased on the father's side.

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It's not yet quarter past eight,

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so if it is the right family and it's all correct, then it's not bad going.

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Bryan Golby is Irene's cousin through her Aunt Ann.

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Ann Danks married a William Golby and had four children, one of whom was Brian.

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David Pacifico

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is trying to reach Bryan. To confirm that he is an heir,

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David is asking a few questions about his family.

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What family, if any, did she have?

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Yes.

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Thank you. Bye-bye.

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That was a cousin.

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He can't fit us in today, but we can see him tomorrow morning.

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Good news. By 8.30am, they've confirmed their first heir.

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Downstairs in the research room, Gareth is working on finding other members of Irene's father's family.

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At the moment, because the main bulk of the research

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has been done, so we've done the marriage searches, we've done

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the births and death searches, so now I'm starting to look at other records that might be available.

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Army records are very good usually because they give you an awful lot

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of information that you don't normally have access to.

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Many of Irene's uncles would have been old enough to serve

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in the First World War and one of them has been difficult

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to find information about, which is why Gareth is turning to the military records.

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I was just looking for a little bit more information on Frank Danks, because

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there's his stamp, and I've found his discharge records, discharged from the First World War.

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Unfortunately, it's not telling me a huge amount of information.

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Although the military records don't say why

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Irene's uncle Frank was discharged, the fact that he was allowed

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to leave the Army during wartime indicates that he was probably in bad mental or physical health.

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Although this may not be obvious from the records, medicine on

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the front line had its own set of rules,

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as historian Nick Hewitt explains.

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Military medicine, first and foremost, if possible, is about

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turning these guys round and turning them back into soldiers and getting them back into the front line.

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Now, if you've got traumatic limb removal, he's not going to go back into the front line, so the military

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tend to treat first as a priority the guy who can be treated and got back into the front line.

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At the other end of the scale is the guy who's not going to survive,

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and that's pretty much the way that triage works today, and then it's the chap in the middle who kind of

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suffers worse under military medicine because the chap in the middle is the guy who, with a lot of intense help

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can be repaired, but will not make a fighting soldier again and he's not the priority for the military.

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The way in which these casualties are incurred vary.

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We know about them going over the top when the whistle sounds and being machine gunned, but there's a lot of

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regular low-level activity on the Western front in particular.

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You've got trench raiding, you've got shell fire,

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and also the simple act of day-to-day living in this deeply unpleasant,

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unhealthy environment also brings in...

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has a lot of medical consequences for people.

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There were 2.5 million casualties admitted to hospital during the war, and even those that were

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lucky enough to survive may have spent the rest of their lives as the walking wounded.

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One in 22 of the males in Britain at this period of time have got a conspicuous war-related injury.

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That's really obvious.

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If you imagine a busy high street, there's going to be an awful lot of people walking along that high street

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who have something clearly related to war damage that's physically very obvious about them.

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In the Army records, there are no details about the exact part Irene's

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uncle Frank played in the war beyond the fact that he was discharged from the Army.

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It may have had his details of his next of kin, his wife or a child,

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or even sometimes they have the name of the children, how old they are.

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It does vary, but this is just quite a basic discharge record.

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It's not quite what I was hoping for.

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At least the records indicate that Irene's uncle Frank survived the war

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which means he could have had children.

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But Gareth will have to dig around some more to know for sure.

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It's a minor setback for the team but little do they know there are worse ones to come.

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Everything we have done so far this morning on the mother's side,

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and that's the best part of all five hours' research.

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It's all rubbish. It's back to square one, really.

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Heir hunters tend to prioritise looking at

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the cases where the person who died left a property.

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This way, they ensure that their commission will at least cover their costs.

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So, the case of Johnny Hubbard, who was homeless, was an unusual one for the heir hunters to take on.

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Johnny Hubbard died in 2006 aged 74.

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He spent most of his adult life on the streets of London, and the last few years in and out of hostels.

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Like many people sleeping rough, Johnny suffered from mental health problems.

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But despite his apparent poverty and difficulties, he died leaving an estate of £35,000.

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Mike Tringham took on Johnny's case.

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He is chairman at Hooper's, one of the oldest heir hunting firms in the country.

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The company rarely investigate homeless people, because they don't

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often have an estate to pass on, so Johnny's case stood out.

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When we got an idea of his background, his profile,

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it seemed quite odd to us that someone in his circumstances

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should leave quite a substantial amount of money,

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and it's quite likely that he was left some money

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by a relative some years ago.

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If the money had come to Johnny while he was homeless,

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he may never have known about it

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and it would have continued to earn interest.

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Whatever had happened, it would be a sizeable windfall for his heirs -

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if they could be found.

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We know his name is John Walter Hubbard.

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He dies in Hackney.

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We don't know much about him.

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Born in London, we think.

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-Maybe if we look up his birth, shall we?

-Yes, we'll do that.

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The name Hubbard, it's quite a good name.

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It's not too common, so there shouldn't be too many of them.

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-There he is.

-There we go. Yes.

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Seems to be born in London.

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-Finsbury, which is....

-Not far from us.

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Once we had identified the birth record of the deceased,

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which gave us the details of his parents,

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we were then able to piece together other areas of the family

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and identify birth records for his brothers and sisters,

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and then really it was a question of tracking them down

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for seeing whether they were sill living,

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whether they married,

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and we did manage to do that within 24 hours.

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It was a fast turn-around.

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The heir hunters discovered

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that Johnny's parents were John and Winifred Hubbard,

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and that he was the third eldest of nine brothers and sisters.

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Four of them were still alive -

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Peter, Elizabeth, William and Winifred.

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Because Johnny had never married or had children,

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they were his nearest kin,

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and were each eligible to inherit an equal share of his £35,000 estate.

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Bill Hubbard was Johnny's youngest brother.

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Despite being born into the same working class household,

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their lives couldn't have turned out more differently.

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Bill runs an established furniture business in Central London,

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but a turbulent childhood

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meant that things might not have turned out that way.

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I could easily have turned into a gangster or a robber,

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or something like that.

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I was very lucky to find a vocation which I enjoy.

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Bill, Johnny and their siblings grew up in Islington in London

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under difficult circumstances.

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Dad was a pretty violent person.

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If I wanted dinner money, so, to go to school...

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If you asked for it, you got a clump and if you stole it, you got a clump.

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So you were sort of twixt and between what you done.

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And because he was drunk, you know, always drunk,

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I think what he used to work on the stall in Chapel Market,

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he used to have a fishmonger's,

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and basically there was a pub immediately behind the stall

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and I think he used to think drinking brandy would keep him warm.

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Bill's business is only a mile away from where he and Johnny grew up.

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The inheritance has prompted him to revisit his childhood haunts.

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This is where my dad's stall was - Jack Hubbard.

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Right outside this pub.

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I used to work on the stall sometimes

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and my hands used to get freezing cold,

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and he used to send you -

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you used to get a hot peppermint drink,

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you know, to warm your hands up,

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and sometimes your hands would be throbbing with the cold.

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Literally throbbing, you know?

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The pain - you'd never felt anything like it.

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Bill's family home was just around the corner from the stall.

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So this is Grant Street.

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And Grant Street used to go round to the right here,

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and my house, approximately, looking at this...

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This was Sermon Lane where the stables were.

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My house was approximately

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where the police station is there,

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which is Tolpuddle Street Police Station.

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I must say, when I left it,

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it was a pretty dismal and horrible place,

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so I'm quite pleased that we, you know, we survived it, really.

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There you are.

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Sometimes I do wander down the market now and again

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just to have a little look round to see what's going on

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and see if there's still stallholders who I know.

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There is still a few here,

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but it's changed dramatically.

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And I don't miss it at all, to be honest with you.

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It's a hard life for anyone, a very hard life.

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The Hubbard children escaped this tough life as soon as they could.

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Me earliest memories were me and Peter moving out.

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I'm not sure the exact age we was, but I was quite young,

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and we moved to a lodging room in Highbury New Park.

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And that was the start of me being self-sufficient, really.

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But for Johnny, Islington remained his home.

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When I left home, he was still there.

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The house was in complete disarray -

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lots of windows missing and things like that.

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Bill and his brother started to lose touch with one another,

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even though Johnny was working less than three miles away

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in Smithfield's Meat Market.

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I have heard other people telling me that he worked in Smithfield,

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and I think before he went into the army,

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he was a pretty tough character.

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And boxing would have been a natural progression

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if you had come from where we come from.

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Johnny had taken up a sport

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heavily connected to Smithfield's Meat Market,

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which was a training ground

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for many professional and amateur boxers.

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Dixie Dean and George Hollister were both boxers,

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and together with Alfie Hills,

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they worked in Smithfield Market and knew Johnny.

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He was a pitcher, right?

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On Bothwicks.

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I know that for a fact.

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Pitcher is one that carries the meat into the market during the night.

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Myself and Alfie, we used to hand the meat down to him,

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lift it off the hooks and hand it down to them like that

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on to their shoulders and they used to run it in.

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I even done that myself.

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When it goes in the market, they hung it up in the shop,

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and then the porters started about...

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Or the shopping started about four or five o'clock in the morning,

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cutting it up, and the porters started,

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and then they take it out to the butchers.

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That's what Johnny Hubbard done.

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-Pitching.

-Pitching, yes.

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The heavy manual labour kept the young men who worked here in fighting shape

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and in turn, boxing provided an outlet for them to let off steam.

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A couple of times, I was working on the market

0:22:210:22:23

and they used to give you what they called a run.

0:22:230:22:25

I used to come back and I had a friend of mine, he was a checker -

0:22:250:22:28

what they call a checker, on the box,

0:22:280:22:30

he said, "I just took a message for you, George.

0:22:300:22:33

"Boxing tonight at the Majestic."

0:22:330:22:35

I used to finish work and box on the same night.

0:22:350:22:37

We didn't know anything better, did we? It's like the training.

0:22:370:22:40

The training is all changed now.

0:22:400:22:43

We thought lifting up meat made us strong.

0:22:430:22:46

If you did it today, they'd go, "No, you've gotta turn that in, mustn't do that."

0:22:460:22:50

It's all different. It's a different era now, isn't it? Different ways.

0:22:500:22:54

But it was a confrontation outside the ring in the meat market

0:22:540:22:59

that would change Johnny's life for ever.

0:22:590:23:01

He got into a fight and was struck over the head

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with disastrous consequences.

0:23:040:23:07

Apparently, he was having a fight with some of the other porters or whatever it is,

0:23:070:23:11

and the only way they stopped him was bashing him over the head.

0:23:110:23:15

After that, he's had all his problems.

0:23:160:23:19

That was it, really.

0:23:190:23:21

I wouldn't have thought my dad would have been any help to him,

0:23:210:23:24

because, you know, my dad was always drunk.

0:23:240:23:28

And I don't think he was very sympathetic to his illness, shall we say.

0:23:280:23:34

After the knock to his head, Johnny became more unstable

0:23:350:23:40

and he was still only in his mid-20s

0:23:400:23:42

when he was admitted to a psychiatric hospital for brain surgery.

0:23:420:23:45

He never fully recovered.

0:23:450:23:48

He was pretty violent.

0:23:490:23:51

And...

0:23:510:23:53

all of us were scared of him.

0:23:530:23:56

I don't think he was - I think it was obviously mental problems, you know.

0:23:560:24:02

You didn't get hit if you didn't let him catch you!

0:24:020:24:05

Volatile and violent, Johnny alienated people around him.

0:24:080:24:13

No-one knows quite when he started sleeping rough,

0:24:130:24:15

but it's thought that he spent over 40 years of his life

0:24:150:24:18

homeless around the Square Mile in East London.

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He even became known to the police as Tramp Hubbard.

0:24:210:24:24

I had heard, obviously, that he lived on the streets.

0:24:250:24:29

And it's unusual that I never come in contact with him,

0:24:300:24:33

because I'm always down the City of London and round that area.

0:24:330:24:38

The only time I did come in contact with him

0:24:380:24:40

was as I driving around Old Street roundabout with my daughter,

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and I stopped,

0:24:450:24:47

got out and spoke to him.

0:24:470:24:49

I don't even know whether he recognised me or not,

0:24:500:24:53

but I knew it was him,

0:24:530:24:55

and I'm not sure whether he did recognise me or not.

0:24:550:24:58

I give him a business card

0:24:580:25:00

and maybe I give him some money - I think I did -

0:25:000:25:04

but I don't even know whether he was aware what I was doing, really.

0:25:040:25:07

I don't think he wanted any assistance, to be honest.

0:25:070:25:11

He was content in what he was doing.

0:25:110:25:13

Bill wouldn't see his brother again,

0:25:150:25:17

although he was in a hostel not far away.

0:25:170:25:19

The next news he had of Johnny was from the heir hunters.

0:25:190:25:23

They brought Johnny's £35,000 back into the family he had been estranged from for many years.

0:25:230:25:28

And also gave Bill the opportunity to say goodbye to his brother.

0:25:280:25:34

After his death, me and Betty went down to the home where he had been.

0:25:340:25:40

They have got a memorial garden for him, which I find quite...

0:25:400:25:46

touching.

0:25:460:25:47

It makes me wish I'd have known him.

0:25:470:25:49

For every case that is solved,

0:25:580:26:01

there are still thousands that stubbornly remain a mystery.

0:26:010:26:04

Currently, over 3,000 names, drawn from across the country,

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are on the Treasury's unsolved case list.

0:26:080:26:11

Their assets will be kept for up to 30 years

0:26:140:26:17

in the hope that eventually someone will remember

0:26:170:26:19

and come forward to claim their inheritance.

0:26:190:26:22

With estates valued at anything from £5,000 to millions of pounds,

0:26:260:26:30

the rightful heirs are out there somewhere.

0:26:300:26:32

Lilian Collins of Dartford, Kent, died in 2003.

0:26:360:26:40

Does her name ring any bells?

0:26:400:26:43

Could you be the one person entitled to her estate?

0:26:430:26:47

Herbert Cecil Godfrey died in Combe Down in Bath in 1995.

0:26:490:26:54

The heir hunters have run out of leads.

0:26:540:26:57

Do you know anything about him?

0:26:570:26:58

Maybe he's your long-lost uncle or cousin.

0:26:580:27:01

Could your help get to the heirs of Lilian Collins and Herbert Godfrey

0:27:030:27:07

and thousands of cases just like these?

0:27:070:27:10

Is there a fortune out there waiting for you?

0:27:100:27:12

One of the names advertised

0:27:200:27:21

on the government list of people who have died without a will

0:27:210:27:25

was Irene Shepherd who left an estimated £200,000.

0:27:250:27:29

The entire office at Frazer and Frazer is working on her case,

0:27:310:27:34

and with the help of the Census,

0:27:340:27:36

they've already managed to find all her aunts and uncles

0:27:360:27:39

on her father's side, the Danks.

0:27:390:27:42

There's only little bits to do on two of the stems,

0:27:440:27:48

otherwise we may have most, if not all the addresses, which is good.

0:27:480:27:52

A question of contacting them all

0:27:520:27:54

and some people are either ex-directory or not answering,

0:27:540:27:57

so it's come on very well in the time we've had.

0:27:570:28:01

However, the researchers have to make sure they find all the heirs

0:28:030:28:07

before they can submit a claim to the Treasury,

0:28:070:28:09

and this means researching uncles and aunts on the mother's side too.

0:28:090:28:13

The mother's side is Williams. That's a wholly different story.

0:28:130:28:16

The surname is incredibly bad to research.

0:28:160:28:19

It looks like at the moment we've got two separate families

0:28:190:28:22

with a Lily Williams, born in 1899 or thereabouts from the right area.

0:28:220:28:29

One of them's going to be totally wrong,

0:28:290:28:31

one of them's going to be right.

0:28:310:28:33

And we won't know probably until much later, maybe not even today,

0:28:330:28:37

so instead of working two families as we normally would do on cousins,

0:28:370:28:40

we're actually working three,

0:28:400:28:41

one of them we're going to throw away at a later date,

0:28:410:28:43

so it's a bit more work for us,

0:28:430:28:45

but hopefully we get the right family first.

0:28:450:28:47

In order to crack this valuable case before the competition,

0:28:480:28:51

the entire office are being split into two teams.

0:28:510:28:54

The Danks researchers led by David and Gareth

0:28:540:28:57

are finishing off Irene's father's family.

0:28:570:29:00

The Williams team tracing the maternal side

0:29:010:29:04

includes Fran, David and Simon.

0:29:040:29:07

Fran is currently following up

0:29:070:29:09

one of two potential records for Irene's mother,

0:29:090:29:12

one in Evesham, one in Worcester.

0:29:120:29:15

Now, either of those two could be correct,

0:29:160:29:19

or she was born in a completely different county,

0:29:190:29:24

in which case we haven't yet identified a birth record for her.

0:29:240:29:28

So we're really working on a hunch at the moment and hope it will pay off.

0:29:280:29:33

Birth, death and marriage certificates are vital for heir hunters.

0:29:340:29:38

They contain all the proof needed to verify the family trees that are drawn up in the office.

0:29:380:29:43

Unfortunately for the team researching Irene's mother,

0:29:450:29:47

the certificates they need are in Ledbury Register Office

0:29:470:29:50

which is shut, so all their work on the Williams side is speculative.

0:29:500:29:54

We've got the nightmare side of the case.

0:29:570:29:59

We're working Williams and everyone else seems to be working Danks,

0:29:590:30:03

and there's quite a big difference in the two names, to be honest. A bit unfair, maybe!

0:30:030:30:07

While team Williams grumble about their lot, team Danks are tying up

0:30:090:30:13

one of the outstanding stems of their family tree.

0:30:130:30:16

We've got a possibility of another cousin on another branch.

0:30:180:30:21

There's a possibility, but it needs a phone call, and I'm going to do that now.

0:30:210:30:25

David has discovered that Irene's aunt Phyllis had two daughters - Judith and Victoria.

0:30:290:30:34

Another two potential heirs and cousins to Irene.

0:30:340:30:38

David is speaking to Victoria now.

0:30:380:30:41

At this junction, we don't know what the value of the estate is, but we believe there is a good

0:30:410:30:46

value to which we we believe that you're part of that family, you see?

0:30:460:30:49

Irene may well have known all her cousins as a child, but as her name was on the unclaimed estates list,

0:30:510:30:56

the sad probability is that none of them even knew of her death.

0:30:560:30:59

We'd like to discuss this matter in more detail, and I was wondering if

0:30:590:31:03

it's possible one of my colleagues to call and see you. Is that possible?

0:31:030:31:08

Travelling heir hunter Paul is nearest to Victoria to go and see her.

0:31:100:31:15

It turns out that there is certainly going to be a lot of cousins out there.

0:31:150:31:19

The deceased on her father's side looking at one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine.

0:31:190:31:26

So she had nine uncles and aunts.

0:31:260:31:28

We've got an appointment in half an hour, so we had better get our skates

0:31:280:31:32

on before one of our competitors comes knocking on the same doors.

0:31:320:31:37

It's only 11.00am and the Danks team

0:31:420:31:45

have already completed Irene's family tree on her father's side.

0:31:450:31:49

Charles Danks had seven adult brothers and sisters who all had children - Irene's cousins.

0:31:490:31:55

They and their children are eligible to inherit, making 17 heirs on this side of the family.

0:31:550:32:01

But team Williams, who are researching Irene's mother's family, are having a much tougher time

0:32:060:32:12

because they're working speculatively.

0:32:120:32:15

The register office in Ledbury which holds the certificates they need to crack the case is shut.

0:32:150:32:20

We tried different lines, and we don't know which one's correct yet.

0:32:220:32:25

That's why we desperately need to get some certificates to prove

0:32:250:32:29

which way we're going.

0:32:290:32:31

The Williams team have found several instances of a woman with the same

0:32:310:32:35

name as Irene's mother - Lily Williams.

0:32:350:32:38

They're trying to whittle them down by a process of elimination.

0:32:380:32:43

It looks, in theory, like this is wrong.

0:32:430:32:46

-Well, keep rolling anyway, I think, but less important on her.

-OK.

0:32:460:32:50

Fran has just discounted one Lily Williams based in Evesham,

0:32:520:32:56

so Neil is pinning his hopes on a Lily Williams that Simon is working on.

0:32:560:33:01

So we reckon it's this one now, then?

0:33:010:33:03

This is the better option than the Evesham one.

0:33:030:33:05

Simon was trying to get out of working this family because he doesn't like it, and it's

0:33:050:33:10

got a horrible name, and the marriages he's got are horrible.

0:33:100:33:14

Everything's horrible. Trying to persuade me that the other one

0:33:140:33:17

is more likely and I've just told him that the other one is wrong.

0:33:170:33:21

Simon and the team know that Williams is the third most common name in the country

0:33:240:33:28

which is why it's difficult to research.

0:33:280:33:31

The easy solution would be to wait for the register office to open,

0:33:310:33:34

but the team want to solve the case before other heir hunting companies, so they're cracking on.

0:33:340:33:39

As well as Irene's mother, they're also looking for other Williams' that could be part of her family.

0:33:390:33:45

If they can find and phone a relative, however distant,

0:33:450:33:48

they may be able to confirm they're researching the right family.

0:33:480:33:52

Simon thinks he may be on to a winner, because he's found

0:33:530:33:56

a potential aunt - Edith Williams - who could have been Lily's sister.

0:33:560:34:00

Edith Williams marrying Ernest Smith in 1917.

0:34:030:34:07

We did a birth search of Smith to Williams sticking to the Worcester area.

0:34:070:34:12

It looks like there's two families having children, at the same time.

0:34:120:34:16

I've picked one, pretty much at random.

0:34:160:34:19

With any luck, this will be right, but if not, at least it's

0:34:190:34:22

crossed one off my massive list that I've got at the moment.

0:34:220:34:25

So I'll just take it up to Grimble and he can ring, hopefully.

0:34:250:34:30

Sometimes, heir hunting involves guesswork.

0:34:300:34:34

As there are two possible marriages for Edith Williams,

0:34:340:34:37

the fastest way of ruling one out to is to make a pot-luck phone call.

0:34:370:34:41

David is calling the number Simon's found for one of the families.

0:34:410:34:45

Hello, is that Mrs Smith?

0:34:460:34:48

I'm trying to trace a family in connection with an estate I'm dealing with, but unfortunately

0:34:480:34:54

the family names I'm dealing with are Smith and Williams.

0:34:540:34:59

The phone call is a long shot. Is this finally the Williams connection they've all been looking for?

0:34:590:35:05

What if I said the name Danks, would that ring a bell?

0:35:050:35:09

That doesn't ring a bell.

0:35:090:35:11

OK, bye-bye.

0:35:110:35:13

It's another false trail in the hunt for Irene's mother.

0:35:130:35:17

I didn't really expect it, to be honest,

0:35:200:35:23

but it's crossed one off my list.

0:35:230:35:25

It's not just the office who are resorting to long shots.

0:35:270:35:31

Bob Barrett has arrived at Worcester register office.

0:35:310:35:35

Even though the certificates they know they need are at nearby Ledbury which is shut,

0:35:350:35:39

they're now getting hold of any other potential Williams certificates in the same area.

0:35:390:35:44

It's not the most economical way to work, but they're hoping to get lucky.

0:35:440:35:48

Can I ask you about the chances of getting several certificates?

0:35:500:35:56

How many do you require?

0:35:560:35:57

Three deaths and two births.

0:35:570:36:01

With every lead drawing a blank, the search seems to be getting wider and wider.

0:36:020:36:08

We are still trying to locate the birth of the mother of the deceased.

0:36:080:36:13

We know now that she's called Lilian Elizabeth, so we've gone through the Lily Elizabeth births

0:36:130:36:19

and we're trying to match up Census from 1901

0:36:190:36:22

to give us an idea of family, and there's 138.

0:36:220:36:27

I'm not really having much luck at the moment.

0:36:270:36:30

Everything I touch seems to go wrong today.

0:36:300:36:34

With 138 Lily Elizabeth Williams to get through,

0:36:340:36:39

it looks like this day is never going to end for team Williams.

0:36:390:36:43

Everything so far has gone wrong, and I think some of the

0:36:430:36:48

dejected faces around here and the glum looks are because

0:36:480:36:52

everything we have done so far this morning on the mother's side,

0:36:520:36:56

and that's the best part of four or five hours of research, is all rubbish.

0:36:560:37:00

It's back to square one, really.

0:37:000:37:03

While the office pack up in the hope of a better day tomorrow,

0:37:050:37:08

at least their work on the Danks side is coming to fruition.

0:37:080:37:11

Paul Matthews is calling on an heir on the paternal side - Irene's aunt Phyllis.

0:37:110:37:18

Irene's aunt Phyllis had two daughters.

0:37:180:37:20

Victoria is one of them, and is a cousin to Irene.

0:37:200:37:23

Your mum was Phyllis May Danks?

0:37:310:37:34

-Yes.

-Married Horace Butt.

0:37:340:37:36

-Yes.

-Your mum had a lot of brothers and sisters?

0:37:360:37:40

Victoria is the youngest of Irene's cousins.

0:37:410:37:44

Learning of her share in Irene's £200,000 inheritance

0:37:440:37:48

was the first news she had heard of cousin in years.

0:37:480:37:52

I didn't really know what to think, to be honest.

0:37:520:37:55

It was out of the blue, you know?

0:37:550:37:58

I didn't realise I had got any relations that had got any money,

0:37:580:38:04

you know, to leave, or any property, or anything.

0:38:040:38:06

My mother was one of eight,

0:38:060:38:10

so it goes right back, and you just lose track, because I'm one of the

0:38:100:38:15

youngest ones, so it's nice to know that there are still people there.

0:38:150:38:21

Paul has left the paperwork in the hope that she will agree to

0:38:210:38:24

let the company help present her case to the Treasury

0:38:240:38:27

and that they'll end up earning their commission.

0:38:270:38:30

It's a new day at the office, and the Williams team are waiting for that vital clue

0:38:380:38:42

which will help them build Irene's mother's side of the family tree.

0:38:420:38:46

Bob Barrett is at the Ledbury register office which is now open,

0:38:490:38:52

to get hold of Irene's parents' marriage certificate.

0:38:520:38:55

The whole case hinges on what Bob will find.

0:38:560:39:00

Right, well, I got the marriage certificate that I was after.

0:39:050:39:08

As a bonus I also got a birth certificate of our deceased's mother.

0:39:080:39:14

And in fact, she was illegitimate, so I've got a birth of a Lily Fletcher.

0:39:140:39:21

Somewhere along the way,

0:39:210:39:24

Lily Fletcher became Lily Williams because Joseph Williams is shown

0:39:240:39:29

as her father on the marriage certificate.

0:39:290:39:32

So I'll ring these through to the office now...

0:39:320:39:35

..which I'm sure they are eagerly awaiting.

0:39:370:39:39

Without a father on Irene's mother's birth certificate,

0:39:420:39:46

the heir hunters can only prove a half-blood relationship with any

0:39:460:39:49

of Lily's brothers and sisters,

0:39:490:39:51

because they only know for sure who her mother is.

0:39:510:39:55

That means that Irene's aunts and uncles on her mother's side

0:39:550:39:58

would not be in line to inherit

0:39:580:40:00

because they're legally half brothers and sisters to her mother rather than full-blood relatives.

0:40:000:40:05

That's the mother's birth. No father shown.

0:40:070:40:09

As far as we can say, we can't prove full blood on the Williams side.

0:40:090:40:16

It all goes to the paternal side.

0:40:160:40:19

And we've got them all, so, that's that.

0:40:190:40:23

Although it's not the outcome they expected,

0:40:230:40:26

the team are pleased to have concluded the case.

0:40:260:40:29

They found all the heirs on Irene father's side.

0:40:290:40:33

Bryan Golby, Irene's cousin,

0:40:330:40:35

is the last to be contacted by travelling researcher Paul Matthews.

0:40:350:40:40

I was trying to think that

0:40:420:40:44

most of the children of my uncles and aunties, my cousins,

0:40:440:40:48

must be dead now, because I'm coming up 78, and they're older than me.

0:40:480:40:55

You know Frank? He had two children, Stan and Eileen,

0:40:550:40:58

they're both still alive. They're both in their eighties.

0:40:580:41:02

That's right, yes. Yeah, that's right, yeah.

0:41:020:41:05

All the very best. Nice to meet you.

0:41:070:41:10

-Take care of yourself.

-Thank you very much.

-Cheers. Bye.

0:41:100:41:13

Irene's death and Paul's subsequent visit

0:41:170:41:20

have left Bryan to reflect on a time when the family were much closer.

0:41:200:41:26

I'd forgotten all about them and it's brought back memories, as I say,

0:41:260:41:30

my brother and I were evacuated to Redditch during the war.

0:41:300:41:34

We stayed in my nan and grandad's house,

0:41:340:41:37

but they shared the house with Auntie Phyllis,

0:41:370:41:42

and she and her husband lived there

0:41:420:41:45

with their daughters Vicky and Judy

0:41:450:41:48

who I understand from Paul are still alive and still live in Redditch.

0:41:480:41:53

I'd be interested to speak to them again because it's a long, long time.

0:41:530:41:57

It must be 30 years since I've seen any of them, you know?

0:41:570:42:00

And it's a surprise when I realise it's that long ago

0:42:000:42:05

that I've seen them.

0:42:050:42:07

Irene has provided Bryan and the 16 other heirs on the paternal side

0:42:090:42:13

with an unexpected windfall from her £200,000 estate.

0:42:130:42:17

But for her neighbour, Jim Mills,

0:42:170:42:20

the real reward was simply knowing her.

0:42:200:42:22

Nine out of ten times you met her, she was laughing and joking.

0:42:240:42:29

She had always got a cheery word for you.

0:42:290:42:32

She was just a lovely person to know,

0:42:320:42:35

and I think the world was a better place because of her.

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