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Every year, thousands of people die without leaving a will.

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If no relatives come forward, then their estates will go to the government.

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Keeping this money in the family is a job for the heir hunters.

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On today's programme, the heir hunters have to crack one of their toughest cases yet...

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Clutching at straws, basically.

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..as they battle to find the heirs to a £200,000 estate.

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We missed these births first go round. It's a really red-hot name.

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It was a slow start but I think we're on it.

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And a vicar stakes his claim to a very unusual inheritance.

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There are still six empty spaces in this twelve-person brick-lined vault.

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I thought I might get buried one day, as opposed to cremated, and, who knows, that could be a slot.

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Plus, how you may be entitled to inherit some of the unclaimed estates held by the Treasury.

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Could thousands of pounds be heading your way?

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In the UK, two thirds of people don't have a will.

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When they die, the law states that unless the authorities can find an obvious heir,

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their money goes to the government.

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Last year, the Treasury pocketed a staggering £18 million in unclaimed estates.

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That's where the heir hunters step in.

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Bob Barratt, Fraser & Fraser.

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There are over 30 companies who make it their business to trace the rightful heirs to this money

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and help them claim it back.

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Fraser & Fraser is one of the oldest firms of heir hunters in Britain.

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It's owned by Andrew, Charles and Neil Fraser.

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They make their commission by solving cases and signing up heirs.

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Over the last 10 years, they have enabled over 50,000 heirs to claim over £100 million.

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It's 7.00am on Thursday at the company's central London office

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and the Treasury has just published its weekly list of unclaimed estates.

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Neil Fraser's first task is to identify those with an obviously high value,

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which will earn his company a commission

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and this morning one case leaps out at him.

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Robin Hardy Palmer, who died, aged 58, in West London.

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He died in Isleworth but very, very recently.

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It looks like he owned the property, which will be anywhere between £100,000 and £200,000.

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It's definitely worth us pursuing. We'll have a lot of people working on this today.

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£200,000 is a very large estate and there's likely to be a lot of interest from rival companies

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so the team are anxious to get started on this investigation.

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Robin Palmer was born with learning difficulties

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and by the time of his death he was living in supported independence in this property in south-west London.

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One of the strange things on this case is the date of death.

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It's very, very recent, which means it's very hard to get the information for us.

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That means we are working on a speculative birth. It's a bit of a gamble. Fingers crossed, it pays off.

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Because Robin has only recently passed away, his death certificate has not yet been registered,

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so the team can't immediately get hold of an accurate date of birth for him,

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which would give them a clear starting point for their investigation.

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So Neil decides to send Bob Smith, a senior researcher on the road,

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round to where Robin used to live to see what he can find out on the ground.

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Bob's job, like all the company's travelling researchers,

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is to pursue any lead, no matter where it takes them.

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They make sure that when the heirs are eventually found,

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they're the first company at their door

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and the one the heir decides to sign up with.

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But on the case of Robin Palmer, there's a long way to go before that.

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As yet, the office haven't even got a death certificate for him,

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so any information Bob can get will help get the ball rolling.

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Hello, sir. Do you live here at all?

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You don't? OK, thanks.

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There's no-one around and Bob quickly realises that he's not going to have much joy.

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-But at least he's been able to size up the deceased's old property.

-Quite a nice little flat actually.

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It's in a lovely part of Twickenham so I would imagine that's got a bit of value.

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It makes me think that certainly this would be an estate that is worth us pursuing.

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Robin had lived all his life in the family home in Kew until his mother died in 1987.

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The house was then sold and, because of his learning difficulties, Robin was taken into residential care.

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However, in 1993, with some of the proceeds of the sale of his former home,

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Robin then bought his own property in Twickenham.

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Although he lived on his own,

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he was helped in most aspects of his daily life by Richmond Social Services

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as part of their policy of supported independence.

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Hello, Community Support Services.

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Sue and Julia looked after Robin for many years.

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We were both very fond of Robin.

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He was a huge part of both our lives, really.

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He was such a lovely character, such a pleasant man to be with.

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He is a huge part that is missing now.

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I think Robin, having been an only child, he was very much a loner.

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It did take a long time for Robin to come out of his shell.

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He was an incredibly shy person.

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Through having more regular contact with different people

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and simply getting out and about more with his carers,

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Robin gradually became more sociable,

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which included becoming a regular at the local pub.

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As he got to know us all and befriend us,

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he would often sit down and have chats with us

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and call us over to give him some help with the crossword

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or perhaps turn the television show over to the show that he wanted to watch.

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He became more than just a customer, he was a friend to us.

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To see him on a Sunday, sitting down and having Sunday dinner with a couple of pints and chatting away -

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it was a joy and I know he got so much from that

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because he would say, "I must go to that pub on Sunday."

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Robin's other great passion in life was the railway.

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He had a huge interest in steam trains, trains of any kind, really, but steam trains particularly.

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He went to the Bluebell Railway several times

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and with Mencap holidays he would go to other steam railways.

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He loved anything like that.

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We used to bring him magazines with steam trains.

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I still have trouble going past Tesco's magazine rack without picking up the railway magazine.

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That's probably harder than anything. I still see them there because you can't...

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Other people probably have to look for them but they just boom out at me.

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So, um... Yeah.

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Twickenham took him to their heart and everybody knew Robin.

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If he was walking down the street, people stopped to chat with him. Everybody knew and loved him.

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They miss him now throughout Twickenham.

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You go down Barclays Bank - "Where's Mr Palmer?"

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Yeah, he was a huge part of the local community.

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Back in the office, in the absence of any certificates, Dave Milchard, aka Grimble,

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has managed to piece together Robin's family tree using the census and online records.

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I'm not sure that's the birth there.

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He thinks Robin's parents were Reginald George Palmer and Constance Raymont.

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Robin was an only child

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so the team will need to look back to aunts, uncles and cousins to find his heirs.

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The main thing we're going to need is the birth of Robin Hardy Palmer.

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Yep.

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David's straight on phone to Bob.

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He now desperately needs Robin's date of birth

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and his parents' marriage certificates to back up his research.

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Most vital would be the marriage in September, 1940, in Surrey North East.

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OK, bye.

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Bob's got his work cut out for him tracking down those certificates so, first off, he tries a short cut.

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'Hello, Sutton Registry Office, how can I help you?'

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We're trying to obtain copies of two certificates that took place in the 1940s in Surrey North East.

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Are you able to tell me which office we should go to?

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'Not really, no, there are various offices.

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'You're going to need more information. Surrey is...'

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A nightmare, I know!

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Bob's short cut has turned out to be a dead end.

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So he heads off to the first of many Surrey register offices to begin his search for the vital certificates.

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Once we've got those certificates,

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it gives us something to work with and confirm we have the right family.

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Meanwhile, in the office, Neil has been doing some detective work of his own,

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researching the maternal side of Robin's family tree.

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Looking at the mother of the deceased, her surname is Raymont, which is quite a good name.

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However, all indications are that she was an only child,

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which means there won't be any first cousins on the mother's side of the family.

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We are relying, therefore, on the Palmer side,

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the father's side of the family, which is quite a hard name to research.

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We are relying on cousins on his side and if we can't find any then that's as far back as we can go

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and it looks like the government will get it.

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The law in England and Wales states that in the search for heirs,

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you can only go back as far as the descendants of the deceased's grandparents,

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so if Robin really didn't have any aunts or uncles,

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then the heir hunt would end right there and his £200,000 estate would be absorbed by the Treasury.

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The team are now focused on finding some heirs on his father Reginald's side.

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Still fishing around for Reginald's birth.

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I'm now looking at overseas births. Clutching at straws, basically.

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We're having a bit of a problem identifying the father.

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We tried a couple of possibilities but we've got nothing concrete at the moment.

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It's just not moving, is it?

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It's total stalemate.

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The maternal side is a non-starter

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and, without a date of birth for Robin's father, the team can't identify which Reginald Palmer he is

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so any family trees they come up with will ultimately be based on guesswork.

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And Bob still can't find that marriage certificate.

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They can't find it here

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but the trouble is, it could be at Sutton, it could be at Kingston, it could be at Morden.

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All right, then. Cheers, mate. Bye.

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Poor Bob is going to have to go to each register office one by one to try and locate the certificate.

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Frasers have ordered a copy from the General Register Office as a back up

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but that won't arrive until tomorrow.

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The team are relying on Bob to track down the real thing today.

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Right from the beginning, Neil assigned a lot of people to work on this case

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because of its potential high value.

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It's a slow start but I think we're on it now.

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So the heir hunters are all feeling the pressure to deliver and earn the company some commission.

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Researcher, Dominic, has come across something that he thinks might just be the breakthrough they need.

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Gareth? Right, come and have a look at this.

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This is the most speculative thing you'll ever see in your life but he's up to date on the phone.

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-Do you want to talk to Grimble about it?

-OK.

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Out of all the potential fathers for Robin, Dominic has found one who he THINKS could be their man.

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If so, he was married to another woman before Robin's mother.

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There's a George Reginald Palmer marrying Molly E Moore.

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It looks like it produces one issue, Eileen J Palmer, who would obviously be the half-blood sister.

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Dominic is hoping that Eileen's son will prove to be Robin's nephew and their first heir.

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At this stage, they'll give anything a go.

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-Are you going to call it or...?

-I'll give it a call. It's totally wrong but...

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We were tracing down through a family name of Palmer.

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I believe that would have been your mother's maiden name. Was she Eileen?

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Elaine? And your dad was Raymond Wright?

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He wasn't. Oh, right. Looks like I've got that wrong!

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Were you born in Basingstoke?

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All right. I'm sorry to have troubled you.

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As David thought, the information that Dominic had provided was indeed wrong.

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Once again, it's back to the drawing board.

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This case is proving to be a very hard nut to crack.

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Coming up...

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Wait, sorry. I'm reading this totally wrong.

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Neil uncovers a mistake that could cost the heir hunters dear.

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We've made quite a disastrous oversight.

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But at last they get the breakthrough they've been waiting for.

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I've got another one here as well.

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It's a really red-hot name.

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Inheritance doesn't just mean money.

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Sometimes heirlooms, cars, pets and, of course, property make up an estate.

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But occasionally something very out of the ordinary is passed down to future generations.

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Heir hunters, Hoopers, are often contacted by solicitors looking for heirs.

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Hold on, is that it there?

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But in 2009, Mike Tringham received a very odd request from a very old friend.

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This case came to my attention through a friend.

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A slightly unusual situation but it did involve a question of inheritance.

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This friend was hoping he was the heir to one particular family heirloom - a grave.

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I've been asked some weird and wonderful questions and been posed some fascinating problems

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but never been asked to actually discover who might be entitled

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to be buried in a particular plot in a cemetery.

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So, in that respect, it really got my interest right from the beginning.

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The plot in question contained the remains of a renowned Victorian family, the Bantings,

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and lay in West London's famous Kensal Green Cemetery, known as the Valhalla of England

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because it provided the final resting place for the great and the good of Victorian England.

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Dukes, generals and even princes were buried here in splendid marble tombs and mausoleums.

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We discovered that there was plenty of interest in the surname, Banting.

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One of the intriguing things we found was this twelve-person brick-lined vault there in Kensal Green.

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The Reverend David Banting is a vicar of the Church of England and a keen amateur genealogist.

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He was convinced that he was related to the Banting family,

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who owned and were buried in this impressive vault.

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There are still six empty spaces.

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That's always been an intriguing question to me, who's going use it, who owns it?

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I thought I might get buried one day, as opposed to cremated, and, who knows, that could be a slot.

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But David was unclear how he could discover if he was entitled to a space in the vault,

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so that's when he decided to call on his friend's genealogical experience.

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Mike decided to treat this like a normal heir-hunting case.

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I needed to discover who was entitled to what could be termed an asset,

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even though it wasn't a monetary asset.

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I thought I would tackle it in that way by using my genealogical skills

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to establish a link between my client and the plot of land.

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David had done a fair bit of research into his background

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and had drawn up a family tree linking himself to the Bantings, who owned the grave site.

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David is one of three brothers

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whose great-great-grandfather was Thomas Banting.

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Thomas's brother, William, had a son called William Westbrook Banting

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and it was he who had built the vault.

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In his research, David came across William Westbrook's grandfather, also called William.

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There he uncovered a fascinating connection between the Bantings and their splendid final resting place.

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We discovered that his job was as an undertaker but not just any old undertaker,

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he was undertaker to the Crown.

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Bantings had had the Royal Warrant to bury royal bodies as and when needed.

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Between them, the Bantings were involved in

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some of the most important and celebrated funerals of the day,

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including George III

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and the great war heroes, Admiral Lord Nelson and the Duke of Wellington.

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Bantings were also involved in the first great public funeral of the 20th century.

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Queen Victoria's funeral was a shambles.

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All sorts of things went wrong.

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Horse harnesses broke and people had to jump in and stop the coffin from skidding backwards and so on.

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Poor planning had dogged this momentous occasion

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because the Queen would not permit anyone to discuss her death while she was still alive.

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But Bantings and the Royal Family learned their lesson

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and, in 1910, Edward VII's funeral went off without a hitch

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and became the benchmark for future royal state occasions,

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although Bantings were initially barred from Buckingham Palace, by a grief-stricken Queen Alexandra.

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She was unable to let the body go

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so Banting and all his men and horses and carts were dismissed.

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The ledger says, "Went, not needed, fifty guineas."

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It happened three times, charging fifty guineas a go,

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which, in 1910, is an enormous amount of money.

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In the early years of the 20th century,

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William Westbrook Banting brought the art of burial to its peak.

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The hallmark of a Banting funeral was grandeur and finery

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and what became known as the gorgeousness of grief.

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Many of these burials were taking place at the new and fashionable Kensal Green Cemetery.

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Kensal Green opened in 1833 but it didn't catch on with the public until many years later.

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When Frederick the Duke of Sussex died,

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one of the children of King George III,

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then it became very popular.

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There was almost snobbery in death, everybody wanted to be near the royal tomb, in Kensal Green Cemetery.

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After that it became the home of the great and the good,

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particularly up to the last 50 years or so and we still do many prestigious funerals to this day.

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For Lee, the Banting family tomb is a fascinating reminder of how things used to be done.

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Because of the current scarcity of land, something like the Banting vault is quite unusual nowadays.

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It would be very rare to have it now.

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First of all because of the cost implication in buying a plot of land of that size,

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it would be extremely expensive.

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In all, six members of the Banting family were buried in this vault.

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The last one, over 70 years ago, was Cecil Banting, William's brother

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and since then it has lain undisturbed, so Lee was surprised when David came to see him.

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Here we are.

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These are the grave details here. The grave is a large, brick-lined grave...

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'It was a little bit unusual in that nobody's been buried in the grave since the 1930s.'

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Usually interest would have waned by now and people are into new graves

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where there would just be a husband and wife put there.

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However, if there's remaining space in a family grave, and you still have the right of burial in the grave,

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there's no reason why that can't happen.

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William Westbrook Banting had made his fortune from burying the dead,

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so he wasn't going to skimp when it came to his own arrangements.

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In 1901, he bought a large plot in the most prestigious part of the cemetery.

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Everybody who was anybody was buried in Central Avenue, right outside the magnificent Anglican chapel,

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which has the royal graves opposite.

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-They're certainly impressive.

-They are.

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Like all the graves in Kensal Green cemetery,

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the Banting plot was assigned a 999-year lease.

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William Westbrook spent what would then have been the princely sum of £24,

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constructing the tomb out of the highest quality materials

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as this was the best way he knew to secure his family's position in society, in perpetuity.

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You were telling me the quality of this... What can you tell professionally?

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This is a granite monument, which is why it's lasted as long as it has

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and yet it's still in fine condition.

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If we wanted to use this again, any member of the Banting family...

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You could do that. The first thing you'd have to sort out would be the issue of ownership.

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David's connection with the Banting family was only distant,

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so were his dreams of eternal rest in Kensal Green dead and buried

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or could Mike Tringham's research hand him the keys to the family vault?

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There are descendants of William Westbrook Banting who could be contacted,

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quite possibly living abroad,

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and I think it would be rather nice if it could be put to good use, still within the family.

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Still to come...

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The heir hunters' research finally begins to pay off.

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What can I tell you, then?

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And the race to find the heirs to Robin Palmer's £200,000 estate is on.

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-We now have a first cousin alive in Tiverton.

-Oh, fantastic.

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For every case that is solved, there are still thousands that remain a mystery.

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Currently over 3,000 names drawn from across the country are on the Treasury's unsolved case list.

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With estates valued at anything from 5,000 to millions of pounds,

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the rightful heirs are out there somewhere.

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Today, we've got two cases heir hunters have so far failed to solve.

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Could you be the missing link?

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Could you be in line for a payout?

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Wincenty Luksza died in Newton Abbott, Devon, on the 27th March, 2002.

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Was he a friend or colleague of yours?

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Could you even be related to him and entitled to his estate?

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Joan Malkin nee Pelais passed away on the 30th November, 2007 in Waterlooville, Hampshire.

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If no relatives come forward, her money will go to the government.

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If the names Wincenty Luksza or Joan Malkin mean anything to you or someone you know,

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you could have a fortune coming your way.

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Unusually for heir hunter, Mike Tringham,

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on the Banting case he's not dealing with a financial settlement at all.

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Could I get you to look something up for me?

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He's tracing the heirs to a family tomb and after checking back through public records, wills and probate,

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he's finally settled the question of whether or not David had inherited a right to be buried in the vault.

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Hold on, is that it there?

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There is an obvious link between David Banting's family and the family of William Westbrook Banting,

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but one has to go back quite a number of generations.

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They are related, but to such a remote degree, that he wouldn't have any claim as the next of kin.

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This was a blow.

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Mike had just confirmed that David was not directly entitled to be buried in the vault

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but he didn't intend to stop there.

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His next step was to find out who, if anyone, had inherited the rights to the grave,

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seeing as its builder, William Westbrook, had died a bachelor in 1932.

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I discovered that William Westbrook Banting was one of five brothers

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and two of his brothers survived him.

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They were the important elements of this inquiry.

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The two brothers who survived William Westbrook

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were Edgar and Cecil Banting.

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They were both named as his heirs in his will, so anything they received,

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including the rights to the grave, would have passed to their children.

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Edgar's two children, Lawrence and Gladys, both died unmarried

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but Cecil Banting's line proved to be more interesting.

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There are descendants of William Westbrook Banting who could be contacted,

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quite possibly living abroad.

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So the likelihood of them desiring the use of that plot here

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is unlikely.

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I think it would be rather nice if it could be put to good use, still within the family.

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Mike decided that his next step should be to meet up with his friend, David.

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-Hello, David.

-Hello, Mike.

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-Fancy seeing you!

-Very good to see you, come on in.

-Thank you.

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He wanted to present him with his findings, so that between the two of them

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they could compare notes and work out a plan of action.

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We've established that

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you are related to William Westbrook Banting and his family

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but not really so directly that would give you direct rights

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to the vault in Kensal Green.

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Professionally you're saying this is quite a distant connection.

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And, in legal terms, it is quite distant

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but here are we thinking, "Goodness me, this is family!"

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Yes. If we were talking in legal terms about inheritance,

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-third cousins, or even second cousins wouldn't feature at all.

-Yeah.

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Not in English law.

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Mike then revealed that even though David didn't have a direct claim to the family vault,

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he had discovered someone who did.

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William Westbrook's heir was one Christopher Banting,

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grandson of his brother, Cecil Banting.

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But you flutter that maybe we've got a proper name, Christopher, not just William.

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Yes, Christopher William Villiers.

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Mike had managed to trace Christopher to South Africa but there the trail ran cold.

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I couldn't find him in South Africa.

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I know there was a lot of immigration from South Africa to Australia.

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I had a look in Australia and, in fact, Christopher William Villiers Banting,

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who would be a great nephew to William Westbrook Banting,

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is alive and well and living in Western Australia.

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That is big news.

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Mike's established that the rights to be buried in the Kensal Green vault

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have passed to Christopher Banting.

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Now David needs to get in touch with his long-lost cousin

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and find out if those rights could be transferred to him.

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There is now a possible plan of campaign.

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I could send these Christmas cards to say, "Do you realise you have the best right to this?

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"What's your response to that? Are you interested in it?"

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I'm sure as a distant member of the Banting family

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and being instrumental in bringing to everyone's attention this vault,

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I think you have a strong case.

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Even though David is not legally entitled to be buried in the grave,

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thanks to Mike's research he can now pursue his wish to be interred alongside his ancestors

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in the magnificent Banting family vault - cost permitting, of course.

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When I went to look at it, it would just cost an arm and a leg to open it up and use it again,

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-because it's so big and so fine.

-Yes.

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I mean, the lump of granite on top of it is, we reckon, three tonnes, five tonnes?

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I don't know, to lift it off...?

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You'd have to be fairly determined to make use of it again.

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That's a wonderful phrase to use!

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The case of the Banting vault has been a truly unusual one for Mike.

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But what next for David?

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Not only has he been given the chance to resurrect an old family tradition,

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he's also got a long-lost relative in Australia to contact.

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The next step for me is to be in touch with him and if he's not interested,

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who knows, one day I might be buried in Kensal Green Cemetery in a vault.

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I'd better start saving.

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Pity that vicars are not paid overtime, isn't it?

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Fraser & Fraser have been investigating the case of Robin Palmer,

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who died aged 59 in Twickenham in London,

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leaving an estate that could be worth up to £200,000.

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Because of the size of the inheritance, the team have high hopes for this case.

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There's always a little edge to a case that you're working on

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when you know there's probably going to be a value.

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But the search hasn't got off to a good start.

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They couldn't find any relations on his mother's side

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and trying to pinpoint Robin's father was like looking for a needle in a haystack.

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Palmer's such a bad name.

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We're just getting lots of marriages all over the place.

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Neil's double-checking the birth record he had found for Robin's mother in Devon,

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when he suddenly gets a nasty shock.

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Wait a minute. No, I'm sorry, I'm reading this totally wrong.

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Ignore what I've said.

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Neil had thought that Robin's mother was an only child,

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so he'd told the team to stop searching for heirs on her side of the family.

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So we've got Raymont, Raymond...

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But it turns out she was actually one of five.

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The other four had been registered as Raymond rather than Raymont.

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They'd been missed because the team had forgotten to do a routine check

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for alternative spellings of unusual surnames.

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I've got another one here, as well.

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We missed these births first go round.

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That's a really red-hot name.

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Robin's grandparents were Richard Raymont and Frances Maud Kentills,

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who married in Devon in 1907 and had six children,

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including his mother, Constance.

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All these children and their children

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are heirs to Robin's £200,000 estate.

0:33:060:33:10

Dave gets on the phone to speak to the heirs and make some appointments.

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And you've a brother, Robert?

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Rodney, sorry, yeah?

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All the family seem to have stayed in Devon so they need to get someone down there as quickly as possible.

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Neil calls senior researcher, Paul Matthews, who is already on the road.

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-Paul, Neil.

-Hi.

-Although I said there weren't any issue on that mother's side,

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there are births, aunts and an uncle of the deceased.

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-And we have now got a first cousin alive in Tiverton.

-Oh, fantastic.

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Really, I wanted to find out how far away he is from Tiverton.

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He's 45 minutes away. That's quite good on those.

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And just overhearing on Dave as well, it doesn't sound like anyone else has contacted this beneficiary,

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which is a bit of luck, really.

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We've made quite a disastrous oversight on that

0:34:030:34:07

but it appears it hasn't hurt us too much.

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It's still only 10 o'clock and with Paul on his way down to Devon,

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this case could still have a positive outcome for the team after all.

0:34:150:34:20

The first heir that they've traced is Stephen Raymont, Robin's first cousin,

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who, along with his two sisters,

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stands to inherit a share of Robin's £200,000 fortune.

0:34:280:34:33

Pleased to meet you. Paul Matthews from Fraser & Fraser. How are you getting on?

0:34:330:34:38

First of all, Paul has to establish that Stephen is actually Robin's heir.

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-It's like a big jigsaw.

-Yeah, yeah.

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I just find out what, you know, proves you're the right person.

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-Number of children in your parents' marriage, how many are there?

-Three.

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-Three of you. Was your dad married more than once?

-No.

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Paul's satisfied he's got the right person.

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And Stephen's happy to sign up with him and delighted to hear he's coming into some money.

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So, good news all round.

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Thank you very much for your time. Nice meeting you.

0:35:090:35:12

-I hope you get a nice sum of money and all the best for the future.

-Bye, then.

-Bye.

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Paul can't afford to hang about.

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It turns out that the team have found 17 of Robin Palmer's maternal cousins and heirs

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living in the Devon area.

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I'm now off to see another cousin of the deceased and his brother,

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and when I've seen them, apparently I've got another three cousins to see together,

0:35:320:35:38

so it's even more chaotic than normal.

0:35:380:35:41

With a bit of luck and a lot of legwork,

0:35:420:35:45

the team have managed to transform this case from a lost cause into an heir fest.

0:35:450:35:51

Doris, yeah? And Amelia I...

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There's so many of them that Paul's swamped,

0:35:540:35:56

so Dave gets on the phone to another senior researcher, Ewart Lindsay.

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-Ewart?

-Hi, Dave.

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I was going to get Paul to see this one tonight but he's already seen two groups of people.

0:36:020:36:09

All right, Dave, good stuff.

0:36:090:36:12

-Ewart sets out for Devon.

-I'm going to Newton Abbot, nice place, been there many, many times.

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It'll be several hours before he gets there,

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but if he's going to make it for a 7.00pm appointment, there's no time to lose.

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Meanwhile, Bob Smith is still looking for that elusive marriage certificate for Robin's parents

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that the team hope will unlock the paternal side of this case.

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I'd like a copy of a marriage certificate, if I may.

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But he's not having much luck.

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Quite often you can pick up stuff on the day but if you can't find it, fine.

0:36:420:36:47

-Cheers. Bye.

-Bye.

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Again, we've had no luck.

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I'll let the office know and we'll have to apply for it in the normal way

0:36:510:36:55

and wait till tomorrow.

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The team are now relying on the General Register Office to send the marriage certificate tomorrow.

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But they continue to work up leads in the meantime.

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Gareth's come up with another potential father for Robin.

0:37:100:37:13

This Reginald George Palmer was also born in Devon and was part of a large family.

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I'm quite confident now it is right.

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So we're working all these Palmers.

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He's got seven brothers and sisters if it's the right family, hopefully it is.

0:37:250:37:29

The signs are looking good but David is still feeling cautious.

0:37:290:37:34

-So these go together.

-OK.

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If it is right, well, we've got all the work done.

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If it turns out to be wrong, then we're back at the drawing board and we'll have to look elsewhere.

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So until we get the certificates back, there's no way we can say we're right or wrong.

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At least the maternal side of this case is progressing well.

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Ewart's arrived in Newton Abbot, just in time to see another of Robin's cousins.

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Veronica Elliott, known in the family as Sally,

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is one of two surviving daughters of Robin's aunt Zena,

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both of whom stand to inherit a share of their cousin Robin's £200,000 estate.

0:38:150:38:21

Hello, Mrs Elliot, how are you?

0:38:230:38:25

-I'm fine, thank you.

-Nice to meet you.

0:38:250:38:27

-Come in.

-Thank you very much.

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What can I tell you then?

0:38:290:38:31

Sally is eager to give Ewart as much information as he wants about her family and childhood,

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growing up in rural Devon surrounded by her cousins.

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Keith would be 60, 59?

0:38:430:38:46

But there is one cousin that she fell out of touch with a long time ago.

0:38:460:38:51

The last time I saw Robin

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would be maybe almost a year after his mum died.

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He's always been an unusual child but a loving boy.

0:38:580:39:04

Very loving boy. Big chap.

0:39:040:39:06

It turns out Sally hasn't seen Robin since his mother died.

0:39:060:39:11

He was a very, very rich man the last time I saw him.

0:39:110:39:15

Very rich man.

0:39:150:39:17

-You say rich man?

-Well, the house was sold and he had all the money and...

0:39:170:39:21

-His parents' house?

-Yeah, they both had died. And, yeah, I mean, hundreds of thousands.

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If you sign there.

0:39:270:39:28

After she's heard Ewart's presentation,

0:39:280:39:31

Sally decides she's happy to let Frasers represent her and signs up.

0:39:310:39:36

Thank you very much.

0:39:360:39:37

In total, the team have managed to represent six of Robin's cousins

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from the maternal side of his family.

0:39:420:39:45

But what will the new day bring for the paternal side of the investigation?

0:39:450:39:49

First thing in the morning and Neil is standing by the fax machine,

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ready to receive the marriage certificate from the General Register Office.

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The problem when we work without certificates is it's a real gamble.

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Although the mother was from Devon,

0:40:110:40:13

it was always a little bit of a gamble that the father was from Devon.

0:40:130:40:18

Sadly, it turns out that their speculative family tree for Robin's father was wrong.

0:40:180:40:23

Unlike his mother's family, Robin's father wasn't from Devon.

0:40:230:40:28

His marriage and birth certificates show that he was actually born in Willesden in London.

0:40:300:40:35

But there is some small consolation for Gareth.

0:40:350:40:38

Look at this lovely tree. There's only going to be two people on it, maybe three.

0:40:410:40:45

The one we did yesterday had hundreds of people.

0:40:450:40:48

Robin's father, Reginald Palmer had three brothers and sisters.

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His sister, Winifred, married Duncan McPherson Skene and they had one son, Duncan.

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I've got a phone number!

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What's the time in Australia?

0:41:020:41:04

Victoria's about ten hours plus.

0:41:040:41:07

Suddenly, the search moves even further away from Devon.

0:41:070:41:11

It turns out that Duncan had emigrated to Australia.

0:41:110:41:15

But that isn't going to stop the heir hunters.

0:41:150:41:18

They managed to track him down to Victoria where he had married in 1969.

0:41:180:41:25

Sadly, Duncan died in 2004,

0:41:250:41:28

but the team have discovered that he has three living children.

0:41:280:41:33

They are first cousins, once removed, to the deceased.

0:41:330:41:36

So they're beneficiaries.

0:41:360:41:38

We now represent them and I'm quite pleased, really, with the outcome,

0:41:380:41:43

having been able to find them all the way in Australia.

0:41:430:41:45

In the end, Robin's estate was officially valued by the Treasury at £190,000,

0:41:470:41:52

which will be split between his 21 heirs.

0:41:520:41:56

Although at the time he died Robin had no contact with his family,

0:41:560:42:00

he was looked after and treasured, not only by his official carers,

0:42:000:42:05

but by the community as a whole.

0:42:050:42:08

The funeral went beautifully.

0:42:080:42:11

It was a really lovely send-off for Robin.

0:42:110:42:14

Sue had arranged for a tree to be planted in Robin's memory at his parents' grave,

0:42:140:42:19

where his ashes had been scattered.

0:42:190:42:22

All his friends gathered at his favourite pub to toast their good friend

0:42:220:42:26

and one of Twickenham's favourite sons.

0:42:260:42:28

It was a lovely day, very special.

0:42:300:42:33

It was a very nice day. He would have enjoyed it.

0:42:330:42:37

He would have had a pint with us, wouldn't he?

0:42:370:42:39

Yes, most definitely.

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He'd have certainly raised his glass and said, "Cheers."

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If you would like advice about building your family tree or making a will, go to bbc.co.uk.

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