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Every year, thousands of people die without leaving a will. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
If no relatives come forward, then their estates will go to the government. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:09 | |
Keeping this money in the family is a job for the heir hunters. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
On today's programme, the heir hunters have to crack one of their toughest cases yet... | 0:00:31 | 0:00:35 | |
Clutching at straws, basically. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
..as they battle to find the heirs to a £200,000 estate. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:41 | |
We missed these births first go round. It's a really red-hot name. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:45 | |
It was a slow start but I think we're on it. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
And a vicar stakes his claim to a very unusual inheritance. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:52 | |
There are still six empty spaces in this twelve-person brick-lined vault. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:58 | |
I thought I might get buried one day, as opposed to cremated, and, who knows, that could be a slot. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:04 | |
Plus, how you may be entitled to inherit some of the unclaimed estates held by the Treasury. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:10 | |
Could thousands of pounds be heading your way? | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
In the UK, two thirds of people don't have a will. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
When they die, the law states that unless the authorities can find an obvious heir, | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
their money goes to the government. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
Last year, the Treasury pocketed a staggering £18 million in unclaimed estates. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:32 | |
That's where the heir hunters step in. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
Bob Barratt, Fraser & Fraser. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
There are over 30 companies who make it their business to trace the rightful heirs to this money | 0:01:37 | 0:01:44 | |
and help them claim it back. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
Fraser & Fraser is one of the oldest firms of heir hunters in Britain. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
It's owned by Andrew, Charles and Neil Fraser. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:53 | |
They make their commission by solving cases and signing up heirs. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
Over the last 10 years, they have enabled over 50,000 heirs to claim over £100 million. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:04 | |
It's 7.00am on Thursday at the company's central London office | 0:02:10 | 0:02:14 | |
and the Treasury has just published its weekly list of unclaimed estates. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
Neil Fraser's first task is to identify those with an obviously high value, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
which will earn his company a commission | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
and this morning one case leaps out at him. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
Robin Hardy Palmer, who died, aged 58, in West London. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:37 | |
He died in Isleworth but very, very recently. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:40 | |
It looks like he owned the property, which will be anywhere between £100,000 and £200,000. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:45 | |
It's definitely worth us pursuing. We'll have a lot of people working on this today. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:50 | |
£200,000 is a very large estate and there's likely to be a lot of interest from rival companies | 0:02:50 | 0:02:56 | |
so the team are anxious to get started on this investigation. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
Robin Palmer was born with learning difficulties | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
and by the time of his death he was living in supported independence in this property in south-west London. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:11 | |
One of the strange things on this case is the date of death. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
It's very, very recent, which means it's very hard to get the information for us. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
That means we are working on a speculative birth. It's a bit of a gamble. Fingers crossed, it pays off. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:25 | |
Because Robin has only recently passed away, his death certificate has not yet been registered, | 0:03:29 | 0:03:34 | |
so the team can't immediately get hold of an accurate date of birth for him, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:38 | |
which would give them a clear starting point for their investigation. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:43 | |
So Neil decides to send Bob Smith, a senior researcher on the road, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
round to where Robin used to live to see what he can find out on the ground. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:52 | |
Bob's job, like all the company's travelling researchers, | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
is to pursue any lead, no matter where it takes them. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
They make sure that when the heirs are eventually found, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
they're the first company at their door | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
and the one the heir decides to sign up with. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
But on the case of Robin Palmer, there's a long way to go before that. | 0:04:16 | 0:04:20 | |
As yet, the office haven't even got a death certificate for him, | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
so any information Bob can get will help get the ball rolling. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
Hello, sir. Do you live here at all? | 0:04:28 | 0:04:30 | |
You don't? OK, thanks. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
There's no-one around and Bob quickly realises that he's not going to have much joy. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
-But at least he's been able to size up the deceased's old property. -Quite a nice little flat actually. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:43 | |
It's in a lovely part of Twickenham so I would imagine that's got a bit of value. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
It makes me think that certainly this would be an estate that is worth us pursuing. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:51 | |
Robin had lived all his life in the family home in Kew until his mother died in 1987. | 0:04:53 | 0:05:00 | |
The house was then sold and, because of his learning difficulties, Robin was taken into residential care. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:06 | |
However, in 1993, with some of the proceeds of the sale of his former home, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:13 | |
Robin then bought his own property in Twickenham. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:16 | |
Although he lived on his own, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:19 | |
he was helped in most aspects of his daily life by Richmond Social Services | 0:05:19 | 0:05:24 | |
as part of their policy of supported independence. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
Hello, Community Support Services. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
Sue and Julia looked after Robin for many years. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:36 | |
We were both very fond of Robin. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
He was a huge part of both our lives, really. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
He was such a lovely character, such a pleasant man to be with. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:49 | |
He is a huge part that is missing now. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
I think Robin, having been an only child, he was very much a loner. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:58 | |
It did take a long time for Robin to come out of his shell. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:01 | |
He was an incredibly shy person. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:02 | |
Through having more regular contact with different people | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
and simply getting out and about more with his carers, | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
Robin gradually became more sociable, | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
which included becoming a regular at the local pub. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
As he got to know us all and befriend us, | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
he would often sit down and have chats with us | 0:06:19 | 0:06:21 | |
and call us over to give him some help with the crossword | 0:06:21 | 0:06:24 | |
or perhaps turn the television show over to the show that he wanted to watch. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
He became more than just a customer, he was a friend to us. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:31 | |
To see him on a Sunday, sitting down and having Sunday dinner with a couple of pints and chatting away - | 0:06:33 | 0:06:41 | |
it was a joy and I know he got so much from that | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
because he would say, "I must go to that pub on Sunday." | 0:06:44 | 0:06:48 | |
Robin's other great passion in life was the railway. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
He had a huge interest in steam trains, trains of any kind, really, but steam trains particularly. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:07 | |
He went to the Bluebell Railway several times | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
and with Mencap holidays he would go to other steam railways. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
He loved anything like that. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:18 | |
We used to bring him magazines with steam trains. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
I still have trouble going past Tesco's magazine rack without picking up the railway magazine. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:29 | |
That's probably harder than anything. I still see them there because you can't... | 0:07:29 | 0:07:35 | |
Other people probably have to look for them but they just boom out at me. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
So, um... Yeah. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
Twickenham took him to their heart and everybody knew Robin. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:48 | |
If he was walking down the street, people stopped to chat with him. Everybody knew and loved him. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:53 | |
They miss him now throughout Twickenham. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
You go down Barclays Bank - "Where's Mr Palmer?" | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
Yeah, he was a huge part of the local community. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
Back in the office, in the absence of any certificates, Dave Milchard, aka Grimble, | 0:08:09 | 0:08:15 | |
has managed to piece together Robin's family tree using the census and online records. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:21 | |
I'm not sure that's the birth there. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
He thinks Robin's parents were Reginald George Palmer and Constance Raymont. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:31 | |
Robin was an only child | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
so the team will need to look back to aunts, uncles and cousins to find his heirs. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
The main thing we're going to need is the birth of Robin Hardy Palmer. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
Yep. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:43 | |
David's straight on phone to Bob. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:45 | |
He now desperately needs Robin's date of birth | 0:08:45 | 0:08:48 | |
and his parents' marriage certificates to back up his research. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
Most vital would be the marriage in September, 1940, in Surrey North East. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:58 | |
OK, bye. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:00 | |
Bob's got his work cut out for him tracking down those certificates so, first off, he tries a short cut. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:09 | |
'Hello, Sutton Registry Office, how can I help you?' | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
We're trying to obtain copies of two certificates that took place in the 1940s in Surrey North East. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:19 | |
Are you able to tell me which office we should go to? | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
'Not really, no, there are various offices. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
'You're going to need more information. Surrey is...' | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
A nightmare, I know! | 0:09:29 | 0:09:32 | |
Bob's short cut has turned out to be a dead end. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
So he heads off to the first of many Surrey register offices to begin his search for the vital certificates. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:43 | |
Once we've got those certificates, | 0:09:43 | 0:09:45 | |
it gives us something to work with and confirm we have the right family. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
Meanwhile, in the office, Neil has been doing some detective work of his own, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:56 | |
researching the maternal side of Robin's family tree. | 0:09:56 | 0:09:58 | |
Looking at the mother of the deceased, her surname is Raymont, which is quite a good name. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:04 | |
However, all indications are that she was an only child, | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
which means there won't be any first cousins on the mother's side of the family. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:12 | |
We are relying, therefore, on the Palmer side, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
the father's side of the family, which is quite a hard name to research. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
We are relying on cousins on his side and if we can't find any then that's as far back as we can go | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
and it looks like the government will get it. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
The law in England and Wales states that in the search for heirs, | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
you can only go back as far as the descendants of the deceased's grandparents, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:36 | |
so if Robin really didn't have any aunts or uncles, | 0:10:36 | 0:10:39 | |
then the heir hunt would end right there and his £200,000 estate would be absorbed by the Treasury. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:45 | |
The team are now focused on finding some heirs on his father Reginald's side. | 0:10:48 | 0:10:53 | |
Still fishing around for Reginald's birth. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
I'm now looking at overseas births. Clutching at straws, basically. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
We're having a bit of a problem identifying the father. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
We tried a couple of possibilities but we've got nothing concrete at the moment. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:07 | |
It's just not moving, is it? | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
It's total stalemate. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
The maternal side is a non-starter | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
and, without a date of birth for Robin's father, the team can't identify which Reginald Palmer he is | 0:11:14 | 0:11:20 | |
so any family trees they come up with will ultimately be based on guesswork. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:25 | |
And Bob still can't find that marriage certificate. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
They can't find it here | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
but the trouble is, it could be at Sutton, it could be at Kingston, it could be at Morden. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:41 | |
All right, then. Cheers, mate. Bye. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
Poor Bob is going to have to go to each register office one by one to try and locate the certificate. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:56 | |
Frasers have ordered a copy from the General Register Office as a back up | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
but that won't arrive until tomorrow. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
The team are relying on Bob to track down the real thing today. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
Right from the beginning, Neil assigned a lot of people to work on this case | 0:12:10 | 0:12:15 | |
because of its potential high value. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
It's a slow start but I think we're on it now. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
So the heir hunters are all feeling the pressure to deliver and earn the company some commission. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:26 | |
Researcher, Dominic, has come across something that he thinks might just be the breakthrough they need. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:33 | |
Gareth? Right, come and have a look at this. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
This is the most speculative thing you'll ever see in your life but he's up to date on the phone. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:43 | |
-Do you want to talk to Grimble about it? -OK. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
Out of all the potential fathers for Robin, Dominic has found one who he THINKS could be their man. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:52 | |
If so, he was married to another woman before Robin's mother. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
There's a George Reginald Palmer marrying Molly E Moore. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
It looks like it produces one issue, Eileen J Palmer, who would obviously be the half-blood sister. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:08 | |
Dominic is hoping that Eileen's son will prove to be Robin's nephew and their first heir. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
At this stage, they'll give anything a go. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
-Are you going to call it or...? -I'll give it a call. It's totally wrong but... | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
We were tracing down through a family name of Palmer. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:24 | |
I believe that would have been your mother's maiden name. Was she Eileen? | 0:13:24 | 0:13:29 | |
Elaine? And your dad was Raymond Wright? | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
He wasn't. Oh, right. Looks like I've got that wrong! | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
Were you born in Basingstoke? | 0:13:37 | 0:13:39 | |
All right. I'm sorry to have troubled you. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
As David thought, the information that Dominic had provided was indeed wrong. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:49 | |
Once again, it's back to the drawing board. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:51 | |
This case is proving to be a very hard nut to crack. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
Coming up... | 0:13:57 | 0:13:58 | |
Wait, sorry. I'm reading this totally wrong. | 0:13:58 | 0:14:01 | |
Neil uncovers a mistake that could cost the heir hunters dear. | 0:14:01 | 0:14:05 | |
We've made quite a disastrous oversight. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
But at last they get the breakthrough they've been waiting for. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
I've got another one here as well. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
It's a really red-hot name. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:16 | |
Inheritance doesn't just mean money. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
Sometimes heirlooms, cars, pets and, of course, property make up an estate. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:37 | |
But occasionally something very out of the ordinary is passed down to future generations. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
Heir hunters, Hoopers, are often contacted by solicitors looking for heirs. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
Hold on, is that it there? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:52 | |
But in 2009, Mike Tringham received a very odd request from a very old friend. | 0:14:52 | 0:15:00 | |
This case came to my attention through a friend. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
A slightly unusual situation but it did involve a question of inheritance. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:09 | |
This friend was hoping he was the heir to one particular family heirloom - a grave. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:15 | |
I've been asked some weird and wonderful questions and been posed some fascinating problems | 0:15:17 | 0:15:22 | |
but never been asked to actually discover who might be entitled | 0:15:22 | 0:15:27 | |
to be buried in a particular plot in a cemetery. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
So, in that respect, it really got my interest right from the beginning. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:35 | |
The plot in question contained the remains of a renowned Victorian family, the Bantings, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:46 | |
and lay in West London's famous Kensal Green Cemetery, known as the Valhalla of England | 0:15:46 | 0:15:52 | |
because it provided the final resting place for the great and the good of Victorian England. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:58 | |
Dukes, generals and even princes were buried here in splendid marble tombs and mausoleums. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:05 | |
We discovered that there was plenty of interest in the surname, Banting. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
One of the intriguing things we found was this twelve-person brick-lined vault there in Kensal Green. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:20 | |
The Reverend David Banting is a vicar of the Church of England and a keen amateur genealogist. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:25 | |
He was convinced that he was related to the Banting family, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
who owned and were buried in this impressive vault. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:33 | |
There are still six empty spaces. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:35 | |
That's always been an intriguing question to me, who's going use it, who owns it? | 0:16:35 | 0:16:41 | |
I thought I might get buried one day, as opposed to cremated, and, who knows, that could be a slot. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:48 | |
But David was unclear how he could discover if he was entitled to a space in the vault, | 0:16:49 | 0:16:54 | |
so that's when he decided to call on his friend's genealogical experience. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:59 | |
Mike decided to treat this like a normal heir-hunting case. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:05 | |
I needed to discover who was entitled to what could be termed an asset, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
even though it wasn't a monetary asset. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
I thought I would tackle it in that way by using my genealogical skills | 0:17:12 | 0:17:18 | |
to establish a link between my client and the plot of land. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
David had done a fair bit of research into his background | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
and had drawn up a family tree linking himself to the Bantings, who owned the grave site. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:32 | |
David is one of three brothers | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
whose great-great-grandfather was Thomas Banting. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
Thomas's brother, William, had a son called William Westbrook Banting | 0:17:39 | 0:17:43 | |
and it was he who had built the vault. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:47 | |
In his research, David came across William Westbrook's grandfather, also called William. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:54 | |
There he uncovered a fascinating connection between the Bantings and their splendid final resting place. | 0:17:54 | 0:18:01 | |
We discovered that his job was as an undertaker but not just any old undertaker, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:09 | |
he was undertaker to the Crown. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
Bantings had had the Royal Warrant to bury royal bodies as and when needed. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:17 | |
Between them, the Bantings were involved in | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
some of the most important and celebrated funerals of the day, | 0:18:21 | 0:18:26 | |
including George III | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
and the great war heroes, Admiral Lord Nelson and the Duke of Wellington. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:34 | |
Bantings were also involved in the first great public funeral of the 20th century. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
Queen Victoria's funeral was a shambles. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:43 | |
All sorts of things went wrong. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
Horse harnesses broke and people had to jump in and stop the coffin from skidding backwards and so on. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:53 | |
Poor planning had dogged this momentous occasion | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
because the Queen would not permit anyone to discuss her death while she was still alive. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
But Bantings and the Royal Family learned their lesson | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
and, in 1910, Edward VII's funeral went off without a hitch | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
and became the benchmark for future royal state occasions, | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
although Bantings were initially barred from Buckingham Palace, by a grief-stricken Queen Alexandra. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:19 | |
She was unable to let the body go | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
so Banting and all his men and horses and carts were dismissed. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:32 | |
The ledger says, "Went, not needed, fifty guineas." | 0:19:32 | 0:19:37 | |
It happened three times, charging fifty guineas a go, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
which, in 1910, is an enormous amount of money. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:43 | |
In the early years of the 20th century, | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
William Westbrook Banting brought the art of burial to its peak. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
The hallmark of a Banting funeral was grandeur and finery | 0:19:52 | 0:19:57 | |
and what became known as the gorgeousness of grief. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:00 | |
Many of these burials were taking place at the new and fashionable Kensal Green Cemetery. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
Kensal Green opened in 1833 but it didn't catch on with the public until many years later. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:15 | |
When Frederick the Duke of Sussex died, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:17 | |
one of the children of King George III, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
then it became very popular. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
There was almost snobbery in death, everybody wanted to be near the royal tomb, in Kensal Green Cemetery. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:29 | |
After that it became the home of the great and the good, | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
particularly up to the last 50 years or so and we still do many prestigious funerals to this day. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:37 | |
For Lee, the Banting family tomb is a fascinating reminder of how things used to be done. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:45 | |
Because of the current scarcity of land, something like the Banting vault is quite unusual nowadays. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:51 | |
It would be very rare to have it now. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
First of all because of the cost implication in buying a plot of land of that size, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
it would be extremely expensive. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:00 | |
In all, six members of the Banting family were buried in this vault. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:06 | |
The last one, over 70 years ago, was Cecil Banting, William's brother | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
and since then it has lain undisturbed, so Lee was surprised when David came to see him. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:17 | |
Here we are. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
These are the grave details here. The grave is a large, brick-lined grave... | 0:21:20 | 0:21:25 | |
'It was a little bit unusual in that nobody's been buried in the grave since the 1930s.' | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
Usually interest would have waned by now and people are into new graves | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
where there would just be a husband and wife put there. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:36 | |
However, if there's remaining space in a family grave, and you still have the right of burial in the grave, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:42 | |
there's no reason why that can't happen. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:44 | |
William Westbrook Banting had made his fortune from burying the dead, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
so he wasn't going to skimp when it came to his own arrangements. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
In 1901, he bought a large plot in the most prestigious part of the cemetery. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:59 | |
Everybody who was anybody was buried in Central Avenue, right outside the magnificent Anglican chapel, | 0:21:59 | 0:22:07 | |
which has the royal graves opposite. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:09 | |
-They're certainly impressive. -They are. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:11 | |
Like all the graves in Kensal Green cemetery, | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
the Banting plot was assigned a 999-year lease. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
William Westbrook spent what would then have been the princely sum of £24, | 0:22:21 | 0:22:26 | |
constructing the tomb out of the highest quality materials | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
as this was the best way he knew to secure his family's position in society, in perpetuity. | 0:22:29 | 0:22:36 | |
You were telling me the quality of this... What can you tell professionally? | 0:22:39 | 0:22:44 | |
This is a granite monument, which is why it's lasted as long as it has | 0:22:44 | 0:22:47 | |
and yet it's still in fine condition. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
If we wanted to use this again, any member of the Banting family... | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
You could do that. The first thing you'd have to sort out would be the issue of ownership. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:59 | |
David's connection with the Banting family was only distant, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
so were his dreams of eternal rest in Kensal Green dead and buried | 0:23:02 | 0:23:07 | |
or could Mike Tringham's research hand him the keys to the family vault? | 0:23:07 | 0:23:11 | |
There are descendants of William Westbrook Banting who could be contacted, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
quite possibly living abroad, | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
and I think it would be rather nice if it could be put to good use, still within the family. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:24 | |
Still to come... | 0:23:32 | 0:23:33 | |
The heir hunters' research finally begins to pay off. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
What can I tell you, then? | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
And the race to find the heirs to Robin Palmer's £200,000 estate is on. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
-We now have a first cousin alive in Tiverton. -Oh, fantastic. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:50 | |
For every case that is solved, there are still thousands that remain a mystery. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:05 | |
Currently over 3,000 names drawn from across the country are on the Treasury's unsolved case list. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:11 | |
With estates valued at anything from 5,000 to millions of pounds, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
the rightful heirs are out there somewhere. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
Today, we've got two cases heir hunters have so far failed to solve. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:28 | |
Could you be the missing link? | 0:24:28 | 0:24:30 | |
Could you be in line for a payout? | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
Wincenty Luksza died in Newton Abbott, Devon, on the 27th March, 2002. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:41 | |
Was he a friend or colleague of yours? | 0:24:41 | 0:24:43 | |
Could you even be related to him and entitled to his estate? | 0:24:43 | 0:24:48 | |
Joan Malkin nee Pelais passed away on the 30th November, 2007 in Waterlooville, Hampshire. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:57 | |
If no relatives come forward, her money will go to the government. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:02 | |
If the names Wincenty Luksza or Joan Malkin mean anything to you or someone you know, | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
you could have a fortune coming your way. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
Unusually for heir hunter, Mike Tringham, | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
on the Banting case he's not dealing with a financial settlement at all. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:31 | |
Could I get you to look something up for me? | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
He's tracing the heirs to a family tomb and after checking back through public records, wills and probate, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:41 | |
he's finally settled the question of whether or not David had inherited a right to be buried in the vault. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:48 | |
Hold on, is that it there? | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
There is an obvious link between David Banting's family and the family of William Westbrook Banting, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:59 | |
but one has to go back quite a number of generations. | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
They are related, but to such a remote degree, that he wouldn't have any claim as the next of kin. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:10 | |
This was a blow. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:13 | |
Mike had just confirmed that David was not directly entitled to be buried in the vault | 0:26:13 | 0:26:18 | |
but he didn't intend to stop there. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
His next step was to find out who, if anyone, had inherited the rights to the grave, | 0:26:20 | 0:26:26 | |
seeing as its builder, William Westbrook, had died a bachelor in 1932. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:32 | |
I discovered that William Westbrook Banting was one of five brothers | 0:26:32 | 0:26:37 | |
and two of his brothers survived him. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
They were the important elements of this inquiry. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
The two brothers who survived William Westbrook | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
were Edgar and Cecil Banting. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:50 | |
They were both named as his heirs in his will, so anything they received, | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
including the rights to the grave, would have passed to their children. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
Edgar's two children, Lawrence and Gladys, both died unmarried | 0:26:58 | 0:27:03 | |
but Cecil Banting's line proved to be more interesting. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:07 | |
There are descendants of William Westbrook Banting who could be contacted, | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
quite possibly living abroad. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
So the likelihood of them desiring the use of that plot here | 0:27:14 | 0:27:20 | |
is unlikely. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:21 | |
I think it would be rather nice if it could be put to good use, still within the family. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:27 | |
Mike decided that his next step should be to meet up with his friend, David. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
-Hello, David. -Hello, Mike. | 0:27:35 | 0:27:38 | |
-Fancy seeing you! -Very good to see you, come on in. -Thank you. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:41 | |
He wanted to present him with his findings, so that between the two of them | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
they could compare notes and work out a plan of action. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
We've established that | 0:27:50 | 0:27:51 | |
you are related to William Westbrook Banting and his family | 0:27:51 | 0:27:56 | |
but not really so directly that would give you direct rights | 0:27:56 | 0:28:02 | |
to the vault in Kensal Green. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
Professionally you're saying this is quite a distant connection. | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
And, in legal terms, it is quite distant | 0:28:08 | 0:28:11 | |
but here are we thinking, "Goodness me, this is family!" | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
Yes. If we were talking in legal terms about inheritance, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
-third cousins, or even second cousins wouldn't feature at all. -Yeah. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:24 | |
Not in English law. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:25 | |
Mike then revealed that even though David didn't have a direct claim to the family vault, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:32 | |
he had discovered someone who did. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
William Westbrook's heir was one Christopher Banting, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
grandson of his brother, Cecil Banting. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
But you flutter that maybe we've got a proper name, Christopher, not just William. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:47 | |
Yes, Christopher William Villiers. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
Mike had managed to trace Christopher to South Africa but there the trail ran cold. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:54 | |
I couldn't find him in South Africa. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
I know there was a lot of immigration from South Africa to Australia. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:01 | |
I had a look in Australia and, in fact, Christopher William Villiers Banting, | 0:29:01 | 0:29:06 | |
who would be a great nephew to William Westbrook Banting, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
is alive and well and living in Western Australia. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
That is big news. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:16 | |
Mike's established that the rights to be buried in the Kensal Green vault | 0:29:17 | 0:29:20 | |
have passed to Christopher Banting. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
Now David needs to get in touch with his long-lost cousin | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
and find out if those rights could be transferred to him. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:29 | |
There is now a possible plan of campaign. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:34 | |
I could send these Christmas cards to say, "Do you realise you have the best right to this? | 0:29:34 | 0:29:40 | |
"What's your response to that? Are you interested in it?" | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
I'm sure as a distant member of the Banting family | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
and being instrumental in bringing to everyone's attention this vault, | 0:29:46 | 0:29:53 | |
I think you have a strong case. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
Even though David is not legally entitled to be buried in the grave, | 0:29:58 | 0:30:02 | |
thanks to Mike's research he can now pursue his wish to be interred alongside his ancestors | 0:30:02 | 0:30:07 | |
in the magnificent Banting family vault - cost permitting, of course. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:12 | |
When I went to look at it, it would just cost an arm and a leg to open it up and use it again, | 0:30:14 | 0:30:20 | |
-because it's so big and so fine. -Yes. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:22 | |
I mean, the lump of granite on top of it is, we reckon, three tonnes, five tonnes? | 0:30:22 | 0:30:27 | |
I don't know, to lift it off...? | 0:30:27 | 0:30:28 | |
You'd have to be fairly determined to make use of it again. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:32 | |
That's a wonderful phrase to use! | 0:30:32 | 0:30:34 | |
The case of the Banting vault has been a truly unusual one for Mike. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:42 | |
But what next for David? | 0:30:42 | 0:30:43 | |
Not only has he been given the chance to resurrect an old family tradition, | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
he's also got a long-lost relative in Australia to contact. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:53 | |
The next step for me is to be in touch with him and if he's not interested, | 0:30:53 | 0:30:57 | |
who knows, one day I might be buried in Kensal Green Cemetery in a vault. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:02 | |
I'd better start saving. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
Pity that vicars are not paid overtime, isn't it? | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
Fraser & Fraser have been investigating the case of Robin Palmer, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
who died aged 59 in Twickenham in London, | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
leaving an estate that could be worth up to £200,000. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:29 | |
Because of the size of the inheritance, the team have high hopes for this case. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:34 | |
There's always a little edge to a case that you're working on | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
when you know there's probably going to be a value. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:42 | |
But the search hasn't got off to a good start. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:46 | |
They couldn't find any relations on his mother's side | 0:31:46 | 0:31:49 | |
and trying to pinpoint Robin's father was like looking for a needle in a haystack. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:54 | |
Palmer's such a bad name. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:55 | |
We're just getting lots of marriages all over the place. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
Neil's double-checking the birth record he had found for Robin's mother in Devon, | 0:32:03 | 0:32:08 | |
when he suddenly gets a nasty shock. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
Wait a minute. No, I'm sorry, I'm reading this totally wrong. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:15 | |
Ignore what I've said. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:16 | |
Neil had thought that Robin's mother was an only child, | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
so he'd told the team to stop searching for heirs on her side of the family. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:26 | |
So we've got Raymont, Raymond... | 0:32:27 | 0:32:29 | |
But it turns out she was actually one of five. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:33 | |
The other four had been registered as Raymond rather than Raymont. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
They'd been missed because the team had forgotten to do a routine check | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
for alternative spellings of unusual surnames. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:43 | |
I've got another one here, as well. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:47 | |
We missed these births first go round. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
That's a really red-hot name. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
Robin's grandparents were Richard Raymont and Frances Maud Kentills, | 0:32:52 | 0:32:57 | |
who married in Devon in 1907 and had six children, | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
including his mother, Constance. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
All these children and their children | 0:33:04 | 0:33:06 | |
are heirs to Robin's £200,000 estate. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
Dave gets on the phone to speak to the heirs and make some appointments. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:17 | |
And you've a brother, Robert? | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
Rodney, sorry, yeah? | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
All the family seem to have stayed in Devon so they need to get someone down there as quickly as possible. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:28 | |
Neil calls senior researcher, Paul Matthews, who is already on the road. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:33 | |
-Paul, Neil. -Hi. -Although I said there weren't any issue on that mother's side, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
there are births, aunts and an uncle of the deceased. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
-And we have now got a first cousin alive in Tiverton. -Oh, fantastic. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:46 | |
Really, I wanted to find out how far away he is from Tiverton. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
He's 45 minutes away. That's quite good on those. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
And just overhearing on Dave as well, it doesn't sound like anyone else has contacted this beneficiary, | 0:33:54 | 0:34:01 | |
which is a bit of luck, really. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
We've made quite a disastrous oversight on that | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
but it appears it hasn't hurt us too much. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
It's still only 10 o'clock and with Paul on his way down to Devon, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
this case could still have a positive outcome for the team after all. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:20 | |
The first heir that they've traced is Stephen Raymont, Robin's first cousin, | 0:34:22 | 0:34:26 | |
who, along with his two sisters, | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
stands to inherit a share of Robin's £200,000 fortune. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:33 | |
Pleased to meet you. Paul Matthews from Fraser & Fraser. How are you getting on? | 0:34:33 | 0:34:38 | |
First of all, Paul has to establish that Stephen is actually Robin's heir. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:43 | |
-It's like a big jigsaw. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
I just find out what, you know, proves you're the right person. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
-Number of children in your parents' marriage, how many are there? -Three. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
-Three of you. Was your dad married more than once? -No. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
Paul's satisfied he's got the right person. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
And Stephen's happy to sign up with him and delighted to hear he's coming into some money. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:06 | |
So, good news all round. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:08 | |
Thank you very much for your time. Nice meeting you. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
-I hope you get a nice sum of money and all the best for the future. -Bye, then. -Bye. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
Paul can't afford to hang about. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:20 | |
It turns out that the team have found 17 of Robin Palmer's maternal cousins and heirs | 0:35:20 | 0:35:25 | |
living in the Devon area. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:27 | |
I'm now off to see another cousin of the deceased and his brother, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
and when I've seen them, apparently I've got another three cousins to see together, | 0:35:32 | 0:35:38 | |
so it's even more chaotic than normal. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
With a bit of luck and a lot of legwork, | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
the team have managed to transform this case from a lost cause into an heir fest. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:51 | |
Doris, yeah? And Amelia I... | 0:35:51 | 0:35:54 | |
There's so many of them that Paul's swamped, | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
so Dave gets on the phone to another senior researcher, Ewart Lindsay. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:01 | |
-Ewart? -Hi, Dave. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:02 | |
I was going to get Paul to see this one tonight but he's already seen two groups of people. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:09 | |
All right, Dave, good stuff. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
-Ewart sets out for Devon. -I'm going to Newton Abbot, nice place, been there many, many times. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:18 | |
It'll be several hours before he gets there, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
but if he's going to make it for a 7.00pm appointment, there's no time to lose. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
Meanwhile, Bob Smith is still looking for that elusive marriage certificate for Robin's parents | 0:36:28 | 0:36:35 | |
that the team hope will unlock the paternal side of this case. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
I'd like a copy of a marriage certificate, if I may. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:41 | |
But he's not having much luck. | 0:36:41 | 0:36:42 | |
Quite often you can pick up stuff on the day but if you can't find it, fine. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:47 | |
-Cheers. Bye. -Bye. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
Again, we've had no luck. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
I'll let the office know and we'll have to apply for it in the normal way | 0:36:51 | 0:36:55 | |
and wait till tomorrow. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:56 | |
The team are now relying on the General Register Office to send the marriage certificate tomorrow. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:04 | |
But they continue to work up leads in the meantime. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:10 | |
Gareth's come up with another potential father for Robin. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:13 | |
This Reginald George Palmer was also born in Devon and was part of a large family. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:19 | |
I'm quite confident now it is right. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
So we're working all these Palmers. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
He's got seven brothers and sisters if it's the right family, hopefully it is. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
The signs are looking good but David is still feeling cautious. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:34 | |
-So these go together. -OK. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
If it is right, well, we've got all the work done. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
If it turns out to be wrong, then we're back at the drawing board and we'll have to look elsewhere. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:50 | |
So until we get the certificates back, there's no way we can say we're right or wrong. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:55 | |
At least the maternal side of this case is progressing well. | 0:37:55 | 0:38:00 | |
Ewart's arrived in Newton Abbot, just in time to see another of Robin's cousins. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:05 | |
Veronica Elliott, known in the family as Sally, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
is one of two surviving daughters of Robin's aunt Zena, | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
both of whom stand to inherit a share of their cousin Robin's £200,000 estate. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:21 | |
Hello, Mrs Elliot, how are you? | 0:38:23 | 0:38:25 | |
-I'm fine, thank you. -Nice to meet you. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
-Come in. -Thank you very much. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
What can I tell you then? | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
Sally is eager to give Ewart as much information as he wants about her family and childhood, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
growing up in rural Devon surrounded by her cousins. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:40 | |
Keith would be 60, 59? | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
But there is one cousin that she fell out of touch with a long time ago. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:51 | |
The last time I saw Robin | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
would be maybe almost a year after his mum died. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:58 | |
He's always been an unusual child but a loving boy. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:04 | |
Very loving boy. Big chap. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
It turns out Sally hasn't seen Robin since his mother died. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:11 | |
He was a very, very rich man the last time I saw him. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
Very rich man. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
-You say rich man? -Well, the house was sold and he had all the money and... | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
-His parents' house? -Yeah, they both had died. And, yeah, I mean, hundreds of thousands. | 0:39:21 | 0:39:27 | |
If you sign there. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:28 | |
After she's heard Ewart's presentation, | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
Sally decides she's happy to let Frasers represent her and signs up. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:36 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:37 | |
In total, the team have managed to represent six of Robin's cousins | 0:39:37 | 0:39:42 | |
from the maternal side of his family. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:45 | |
But what will the new day bring for the paternal side of the investigation? | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
First thing in the morning and Neil is standing by the fax machine, | 0:39:58 | 0:40:03 | |
ready to receive the marriage certificate from the General Register Office. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
The problem when we work without certificates is it's a real gamble. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
Although the mother was from Devon, | 0:40:11 | 0:40:13 | |
it was always a little bit of a gamble that the father was from Devon. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:18 | |
Sadly, it turns out that their speculative family tree for Robin's father was wrong. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:23 | |
Unlike his mother's family, Robin's father wasn't from Devon. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:28 | |
His marriage and birth certificates show that he was actually born in Willesden in London. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:35 | |
But there is some small consolation for Gareth. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:38 | |
Look at this lovely tree. There's only going to be two people on it, maybe three. | 0:40:41 | 0:40:45 | |
The one we did yesterday had hundreds of people. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
Robin's father, Reginald Palmer had three brothers and sisters. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:53 | |
His sister, Winifred, married Duncan McPherson Skene and they had one son, Duncan. | 0:40:53 | 0:40:59 | |
I've got a phone number! | 0:40:59 | 0:41:02 | |
What's the time in Australia? | 0:41:02 | 0:41:04 | |
Victoria's about ten hours plus. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
Suddenly, the search moves even further away from Devon. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
It turns out that Duncan had emigrated to Australia. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:15 | |
But that isn't going to stop the heir hunters. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
They managed to track him down to Victoria where he had married in 1969. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:25 | |
Sadly, Duncan died in 2004, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:28 | |
but the team have discovered that he has three living children. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:33 | |
They are first cousins, once removed, to the deceased. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
So they're beneficiaries. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
We now represent them and I'm quite pleased, really, with the outcome, | 0:41:38 | 0:41:43 | |
having been able to find them all the way in Australia. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:45 | |
In the end, Robin's estate was officially valued by the Treasury at £190,000, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:52 | |
which will be split between his 21 heirs. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
Although at the time he died Robin had no contact with his family, | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
he was looked after and treasured, not only by his official carers, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
but by the community as a whole. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
The funeral went beautifully. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:11 | |
It was a really lovely send-off for Robin. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:14 | |
Sue had arranged for a tree to be planted in Robin's memory at his parents' grave, | 0:42:14 | 0:42:19 | |
where his ashes had been scattered. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
All his friends gathered at his favourite pub to toast their good friend | 0:42:22 | 0:42:26 | |
and one of Twickenham's favourite sons. | 0:42:26 | 0:42:28 | |
It was a lovely day, very special. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
It was a very nice day. He would have enjoyed it. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
He would have had a pint with us, wouldn't he? | 0:42:37 | 0:42:39 | |
Yes, most definitely. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
He'd have certainly raised his glass and said, "Cheers." | 0:42:41 | 0:42:44 | |
If you would like advice about building your family tree or making a will, go to bbc.co.uk. | 0:42:53 | 0:43:00 | |
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