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Heir hunters spend their lives tracking down the families of people who died with no will. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
They hand over thousands of pounds to long-lost relatives | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
who had no idea they were in line for a windfall. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
On today's programme, the team throw everything | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
at a case, but have they met their match on this mystery man's estate? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:39 | |
There's something peculiar on this case. Not sure what. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
There's too many holes, too many unanswered questions at the moment. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:48 | |
And another estate reveals more to the heir about her mum than she bargained for. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:53 | |
Oh, that's just thrown me a bit. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
Plus how you may be entitled to inherit some of the unclaimed cash held by the Treasury. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:04 | |
Could thousands of pounds be heading your way? | 0:01:04 | 0:01:06 | |
Every year in Britain, thousands of people die | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
without leaving a will. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:14 | |
If no obvious family can be found, the money goes straight to the government, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:19 | |
who last year made over 18 million pounds in unclaimed estates. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
That's where the heir hunting companies come in. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
Fraser and Fraser is one of the largest probate firms in the world. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
For over 90 years, a member of the Fraser family | 0:01:31 | 0:01:34 | |
has been helping trace the rightful beneficiaries to thousands of estates. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:38 | |
Our job is incredibly exciting. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:41 | |
We're tracing family trees, delving back into people's history, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
delving back in time, and looking at the hidden mysteries in people's families. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
Some cases take years of painstaking research before | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
trying to contact heirs. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
This is one such case. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:57 | |
It started at 7am on Thursday 22nd January 2009 | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
with the team at Fraser and Fraser's office looking into the Treasury's lists of unclaimed estates. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:08 | |
We're going to start off looking at John Edward Cecil Smith, otherwise Kiff. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:14 | |
Everything we found on the property is under the surname of Kiff. | 0:02:14 | 0:02:18 | |
So, it leads me to think we're going to start off with a birth under the name of Smith... | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
erm, which is going to be a bit tricky, really. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:25 | |
It's a very hard name to research. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
When someone has changed their name in their life, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
the important information for the researchers | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
is the name that person was born under, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:35 | |
as that should be the name their relatives share. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
Unfortunately for them, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
Neil believes that John was born under the common name Smith. | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
But with a property attached, the case is still worth researching. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:48 | |
I think he owns his own house, | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
which means value-wise, we're looking in the region of £100,000, £150,000, possibly £200,000. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:56 | |
It's a reasonable house in a reasonable area. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
So, it's got some value. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:01 | |
The deceased, John, died in Littlehampton | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
on the south coast of England in September 2008. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
It's a popular area for people to retire to, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
and John moved here in the later years | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
of his life with his wife June. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:16 | |
His neighbour Pam remembers him well. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
He looked very fit and well, he was a stocky little chap. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
Very well-built and as tough as anything. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:30 | |
I think he thought he was a bit of a Jack the lad. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:34 | |
He liked to play it up a bit. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
Before moving to Sussex, John lived in London, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
and had met his wife June in the nightclubs of the East End. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
He'd been a bit of a lad when he was younger. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
Proper little rough diamond, I would say, John. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
He's the sort that makes the world go round, isn't he? | 0:03:52 | 0:03:56 | |
John and June never had any children together | 0:03:56 | 0:03:59 | |
and Pam never found out about any other family either. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
"Cor, I don't bother with them," he said, "I don't bother with my family. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
"We don't have anything to do with one another"-type of thing. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:11 | |
"We never sent each other cards and that." | 0:04:11 | 0:04:13 | |
I had a feeling he didn't keep in touch with any of them. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:18 | |
Quite a lone...star, in my opinion. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
In the heir hunters' office, the investigation is being run by case manager Marcus Herbert. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
But probate research often involves working out on the road. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:34 | |
Marcus's first move is to send traveller Bob Smith | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
down to Worthing Register Office to pick up John's death certificate. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
John Edward Cecil Smith. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
He was born on 6th June 1927. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
Whilst Bob makes his way to Worthing, | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
there is no time for Marcus to waste. | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
He needs to open up other lines of enquiry straightaway, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
as there are always rival firms of heir hunters trying | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
to get to the heirs before them. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
I'm going to ring somebody's neighbours now | 0:04:59 | 0:05:01 | |
and see if they can shed any light on it. He had been married as well, see if they know where he came from. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:07 | |
John Smith is one of the most common names in Britain. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
So, researching it will involve plenty of speculation. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:14 | |
Neil is leaving nothing to chance, as he's opened up | 0:05:14 | 0:05:16 | |
another line of enquiry. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:18 | |
This is led by Gareth Langford | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
with his team of office-based researchers. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:24 | |
It's their job to search the official records for clues to John's family. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:29 | |
The most important first step is to identify John's birth record. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:34 | |
If this is wrong, it's a disaster for the case, | 0:05:34 | 0:05:36 | |
as the entire family tree is built on someone else's life. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
I've got a birth of a John E C Smith and the deceased is John Edward Cecil. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:46 | |
So, I'm hoping this is going to be our guy. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
He was born in Barrow-on-Soar. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
His mother's maiden name is Lane. Smith is a terrible name. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
Mother's maiden name Lane is not much better. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:56 | |
Gareth believes that John is originally from the Leicestershire area | 0:05:56 | 0:06:01 | |
and is the son of a John Thomas Smith and Edith Lane. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
He is an only child, so the team now need | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
to establish whether either of his parents had any siblings | 0:06:07 | 0:06:10 | |
in their quest to find out if John has any living relatives. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
This is the 1901 census. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
We've got Edith Mary Lane. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
Again, born in Barrow, so...I quite like it. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
Her parents are Edward... this is the deceased's grandparents, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:28 | |
Edward and Harriet, and we've also got a brother and a sister. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
We've got Samuel and a Rose...Annie. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
The good thing about this is that we're away from the surname Smith, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:39 | |
so we might be able to do something with this. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:42 | |
It's still only 8am. Most of the office | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
is researching this estimated £150,000 case. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
But who will make the first break-through? | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
The deceased's mother, Edith, has a brother, Samuel. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:56 | |
He's born 1892, but he was married in Spalding to a Beatrice. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:01 | |
Had two children. | 0:07:01 | 0:07:02 | |
One of which is an Edward Lane. Edward C Lane. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
He was born in 1921. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
Gareth's lead looks promising. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:11 | |
Moving to the surname Lane has allowed the team | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
to work more quickly through the records, | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
and find Edward, a possible first cousin of John's. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
Solving a case of John Smith before 9am would be quite a feat. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
But only if it's correct. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
It does look like they are the right people, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
it is up-to-date and we have telephone numbers. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
I'm going to see Marcus and then... | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
he will hopefully phone up the potential heir for us. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
So, we're up-to-date incredibly quickly | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
considering that Smith... It's remarkable. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
-What? -You're too slow. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:49 | |
-How confident are we this is right? -Completely. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:52 | |
-Personally, I think we get Ewart straight to that address. -Yep. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:57 | |
Possible heir Edward lives in Warwickshire, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:03 | |
and with rival firms also investigating this valuable estate, | 0:08:03 | 0:08:06 | |
Marcus wants to get ahead of the competition | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
and send travelling heir hunter Ewart Lindsay straight to the area, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
so he's poised to meet Edward as soon as possible. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:15 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:08:17 | 0:08:18 | |
Hello, Marcus, how are you? | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
-'Could you head to Leicester?' -Can you make an appointment for me? | 0:08:20 | 0:08:24 | |
'I'll try.' | 0:08:24 | 0:08:25 | |
Great. One case up-to-date. That's good. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
John's case seems to have been solved by the office in record time, | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
but back in Worthing Register Office, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
Bob is taking things at a slightly more leisurely pace. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:41 | |
-John Edward... -Lovely. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
Bob has finally got the deceased's death certificate | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
and it verifies the address in Littlehampton where John died. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
Bob needs to relay the information back to the office. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
But now, with a possible heir already identified, | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
Bob's work might now just be a formality. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
Hello, mate, all right? | 0:09:01 | 0:09:03 | |
We've got somebody up-to-date, if it's right. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
Really? | 0:09:06 | 0:09:07 | |
Rea... Already? | 0:09:11 | 0:09:12 | |
Oh, my word. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:14 | |
Do you want to do an enquiry? | 0:09:14 | 0:09:16 | |
Number seven. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:20 | |
Bob cannot believe how quickly the case has progressed. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
But is it too good to be true? | 0:09:27 | 0:09:29 | |
Marcus must now call possible heir Edward Lane | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
to confirm his identity. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:34 | |
If Edward can verify key family details, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
then he'll inherit part of John's estimated £150,000 estate. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:43 | |
Hello, Mr Lane, I'm sorry to trouble you. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
My name is Mr Herbert, I'm ringing from a company in London | 0:09:46 | 0:09:48 | |
called Fraser and Fraser. We're probate researchers. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
Do you know much about your late father's family? | 0:09:51 | 0:09:55 | |
Whether he had brothers and sisters? | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
Right. Do you know what happened to cousin John at all? | 0:09:58 | 0:10:04 | |
Do you know where John died at all? | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
Right, right. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
Thanks very much. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:09 | |
Bye bye. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:10 | |
Got the wrong family. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:20 | |
This is wrong. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:21 | |
Cos they've confirmed all this. He died in Rearsby in Leicestershire | 0:10:23 | 0:10:28 | |
about two years ago. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:29 | |
We've gone a bit skew-whiff somewhere. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
It's a killer blow. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:36 | |
Gareth's team have been looking into the wrong family | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
all along in the records. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:40 | |
It is an entirely different John E C Smith | 0:10:40 | 0:10:43 | |
they have researched, one that died in Leicestershire and not Sussex. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:48 | |
This is something that can happen all too often when looking into | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
a common family name like Smith. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
Certainly a major set-back. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:56 | |
We're back to square one. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
Everything we've done is wrong. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
So, now we're going to make sure we catch up | 0:11:02 | 0:11:04 | |
and do everything correctly. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:06 | |
The team must identify the correct birth record of our John | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
to move forward with the case. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:13 | |
Traveller Bob Smith, no relation, | 0:11:15 | 0:11:18 | |
is still down in Sussex making enquiries at the house, | 0:11:18 | 0:11:21 | |
which they do know belonged to the deceased. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
So, despite his slow start, could Bob now | 0:11:24 | 0:11:26 | |
be the best source of information on the case? | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
-Hi, good morning. -Hello. We're making enquiries about a chap that used to live at number four. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:35 | |
-John Kiff? -That's right. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
-Did you know him at all? -Yes, I knew him quite well, yes. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:40 | |
Can you tell me about his family at all? | 0:11:40 | 0:11:43 | |
I don't know anything about his family. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
I never met any of his family. He came from London. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
-He used to live in London. -Did he work up there, did he? | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
-Yes, yes, he was something to do with nightclubs. -OK. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
-Quite a colourful character, then. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
-But he didn't mention any family at all? -No. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
All right. Well, thanks very much. Sorry to have troubled you. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
Bye bye. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:06 | |
Bob has got lucky and has a lead | 0:12:06 | 0:12:09 | |
that John lived in London and was known by the Kiff name | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
rather than as Smith in Leicestershire. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
He needs to relay this information back to the office straightaway | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
to get them back on the right track. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
I had a very good interview. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:22 | |
'Oh, yeah?' | 0:12:22 | 0:12:23 | |
He worked in a nightclub, the deceased, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
which is where he met his wife. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
Apparently, they were both East-Enders. | 0:12:28 | 0:12:31 | |
He spoke quite often about the characters in the East End | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
and around the nightclubs and that. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:36 | |
The research Bob has compiled | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
could be the key to unlocking the case. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
But there is also a discrepancy about John's real name. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
The office has assumed that John's birth name was Smith, | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
and so his family would be Smith too, but is this the case? | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
The neighbour seems to think that Kiff was his name. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
'Right, OK.' | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
And not Smith. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:00 | |
'We're wondering if he's adopted, We're getting that checked out.' | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
The heir hunters now can't be sure if his family will be Smiths or Kiffs, | 0:13:06 | 0:13:11 | |
so are having to do their research under both names. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
The all-important birth record has still not been found. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
With two names to research, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
there are thousands of possibilities. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:22 | |
Case is turning into a bit of a nightmare, really. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:26 | |
I think I'm going to need to put on more researchers and travellers, | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
and really, I think we're going to crack this case | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
by weight of research and weight of numbers. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:35 | |
With the whole office on the case, they have identified the deceased, | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
John, got married to June in North London in 1977 | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
under his Kiff surname. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
Neil has dispatched a third travelling heir hunter, Dave Hadley, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
to pick up the marriage certificate in Edmonton. | 0:13:49 | 0:13:52 | |
It should say the name of John's father, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:54 | |
which could lead to John's birth and break the case wide open. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
-I've got that marriage certificate for you. -You excellent man. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
It's John Edward Cecil Kiff, K-I-F-F. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
Married June Rose Coombs, C-O-O-M-B-S. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
-The address given at the time... -Yeah. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
..was Edmonton, London, N9. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:17 | |
His father is | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
shown as a William Kiff. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
Deceased. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
John's father is a man called William Kiff, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
which suggests that John could | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
indeed be born under his Kiff surname. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
This should be the breakthrough they need, | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
but they cannot find any record of a John Kiff that matches. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
So, something is not right. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:42 | |
There's something peculiar on this case. Not sure what yet. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
There's too many holes and unanswered questions at the moment. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
I think he's illegitimate, that's why we can't find him. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
It's not falling out anywhere... | 0:14:55 | 0:14:57 | |
It's a fair old combination of names. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:02 | |
You've got Kiff, which is good, as well. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
But...nah. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:06 | |
Only two things will clarify the case - | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
John's birth certificate or John's mother's maiden name. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
They cannot find either at present. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:15 | |
The research has hit a brick wall. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:18 | |
Could this case really get the better of Fraser's? | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
We're going to have this problem all day, I know it. | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
We can't find the birth. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:26 | |
In which case, if we can't find it at all, | 0:15:26 | 0:15:29 | |
we can only abandon the case, that's all we can do. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
In fact, the team continue to struggle with this case | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
for the next two days | 0:15:35 | 0:15:37 | |
until they reluctantly admit defeat, | 0:15:37 | 0:15:40 | |
at least for now. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:41 | |
The mystery surrounding John Kiff remains. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
Just where did he come from? | 0:15:45 | 0:15:47 | |
And why did he change his name? | 0:15:47 | 0:15:49 | |
Could it be as simple as an illegitimate birth or an adoption? | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
Or it is something connected | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
to John's past in the East End of London? | 0:15:55 | 0:15:57 | |
When heir hunters investigate cases of people dying without a will, | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
they come across fascinating stories, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:13 | |
which otherwise would have been left untold. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
Ivy Sherry is one such case. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:20 | |
She died in April 2009 from a stroke. | 0:16:20 | 0:16:24 | |
She had spent the last few years of her life in Middlewich | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
at an NHS-supported housing network, | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
as she had lived for many years with a range of learning difficulties. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
Ivy had not made a will, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
and when she passed away, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
no relatives came forward. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:40 | |
So, her case was placed | 0:16:40 | 0:16:41 | |
on the Treasury's list of unclaimed estates. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:44 | |
The case was then picked up by heir hunting firm Celtic Research fronted by | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
Peter and Hector Birchwood. They have a team of regional | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
case managers including Liverpool-based Saul Marks. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:57 | |
He took on the investigation to track down | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
Ivy's heirs. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:00 | |
The main document to begin the case, really, was Ivy's birth certificate. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:04 | |
We had to get that to find out who her parents were. | 0:17:04 | 0:17:07 | |
She was born on 26th December 1934. Her mother | 0:17:07 | 0:17:12 | |
was Lily Sherry, a domestic servant. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
There's no father on the birth certificate. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
That suggest strongly she was illegitimate. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:19 | |
Illegitimacy is a crucial detail for heir hunters, | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
as there is no need to try to trace a father or his family. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
Entitlement in these cases only stems down the maternal side. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
We knew there was no way we could establish her paternal line. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
Even if someone knew the answer, it would be pretty much impossible to prove. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:41 | |
The investigation now centred on finding out more about | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
Ivy's mother, Lily Sherry. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
If Saul could establish | 0:17:47 | 0:17:48 | |
more facts about her life, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
it might lead to finding Ivy's heirs. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
Lily Sherry was born | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
in Ludlow in Shropshire in 1907. | 0:17:55 | 0:17:59 | |
She was born into a very large farming family. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
Lily's parents were a Richard Sherry and Martha Morgan. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:08 | |
She was the sixth of an incredible 13 children. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
So, there is a good possibility that Ivy had cousins. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:15 | |
However, if Lily herself had any other children, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
then they would be closer kin, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:20 | |
and so inherit in preference to possible cousins. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
Finding out what happened to Ivy's mother, Lily, was critical. | 0:18:24 | 0:18:28 | |
She is known within the wider family to have left for Liverpool | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
and settled in Liverpool where she was in domestic service, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:37 | |
and that is borne out by the information on the birth certificate. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:41 | |
Although the domestic service industry has long since died out, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
in Lily's day, this was a very common profession. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
The late 19th century and early 20th century | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
certainly can be thought of as the golden age of domestic service. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
It was larger as a single sector of workers than the industrial workers | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
or even agricultural workers. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
Often it was the case that people from agricultural labouring families | 0:19:02 | 0:19:06 | |
would get their training locally | 0:19:06 | 0:19:08 | |
in say, the vicar's house, or the local big farmer | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
and then want to move to | 0:19:12 | 0:19:13 | |
either a big country house or to a town to sell those skills. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
Lily worked doing domestic duties in a large house in Botanic Road, Liverpool. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:23 | |
Servants were usually relatively well looked after | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
by the master of the house, but there was one major drawback. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
And that could have serious consequences for the case. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
The tradition and expectation that servants shouldn't marry | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
was almost certainly, I think, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
based on the fact that their employers, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
masters and mistresses, if you like, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
didn't want to have the responsibility of extra families, | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
extra mouths to feed living in with them. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
That would be a major restriction, an economic one, if you like. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:54 | |
However, Saul discovered that Lily didn't always do what was expected of her, | 0:19:55 | 0:20:00 | |
as she gave birth to Ivy out of wedlock | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
in January 1935 | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
whilst a domestic servant. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:06 | |
She married a year after Ivy was born to a Mr Birtley. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
So, we were then able to trace the children who she had had | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
with Mr Birtley, of which there were quite a few. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
This was a very important discovery. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
Saul had now found nine possible half-siblings to Ivy. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
They also grew up in the Liverpool area, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
but it certainly wasn't an easy childhood. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
They lived a very hard life on the breadline, as it were. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
Their mother worked hard as a domestic servant | 0:20:33 | 0:20:36 | |
to try and make ends meet. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:38 | |
By searching through the electoral records, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
Saul began tracking down these potential half-siblings of Lily. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
One of the first he contacted as a possible heir was Anne Dowling. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
But Saul was breaking news of more than just an inheritance. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
Just couldn't believe it at first. | 0:20:57 | 0:20:59 | |
Never even heard my mum mention that name or anything, anything at all. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:04 | |
It's just a complete shock. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
We just wanted to know everything, which Saul didn't, really, know that much at that time. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:12 | |
It turned out that none of Anne's seven brothers or sisters | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
knew anything about this supposed half-sibling either. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
Despite all being brought up together, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:24 | |
none of them had ever heard of anyone called Ivy. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
Mum and Dad never, ever spoke about their early years. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:32 | |
I knew that she didn't marry my dad until 1935, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:35 | |
so... | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
But we just didn't know a thing. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
This came as a surprise to Saul. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:43 | |
Had he really contacted the correct family? | 0:21:43 | 0:21:46 | |
Here was a family who were astonished | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
to hear that they had an illegitimate half-sister | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
who they didn't know of. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
It's very unusual because even in families | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
who have been estranged, who have split up, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
who have had feuds amongst them, | 0:22:01 | 0:22:04 | |
people still know who they've fallen out with | 0:22:04 | 0:22:06 | |
or who's moved to Australia or anything like that. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:09 | |
We had to be very careful and make absolutely, doubly, triply sure that we were on the right lines. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:16 | |
Saul went back to basics and double-checked Ivy's date of birth. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:20 | |
The clinching factor here, really, is that the dates of birth match up exactly, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
so we know this is the same person. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:26 | |
Saul had traced the right family. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:30 | |
All of the other children had been brought up together, but had simply not heard of Ivy. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:35 | |
So what could be the reason for Ivy's estrangement from all of her brothers and sisters? | 0:22:35 | 0:22:41 | |
Still to come, the family secrets are laid bare, | 0:22:41 | 0:22:45 | |
as Anne Dowling discovers all about her half-sister's past. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
It's just the idea that she was on her own. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
I just don't think it's fair. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
For every case that is solved, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:06 | |
there are still thousands on the Treasury's list that remain a mystery. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:11 | |
The deceased's assets are kept for up to 30 years, in the hope that, eventually, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
someone will remember and come forward to claim their inheritance. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
And with estates valued at anything from £5,000 to millions, | 0:23:24 | 0:23:28 | |
the rightful heirs are out there somewhere. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:32 | |
Could you know the answer? Maybe you're in line for a windfall. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:39 | |
John K Robinson passed away on the 1st March 2007, in Dewsbury, West Yorkshire. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:47 | |
So far, every attempt to find his rightful heir has failed. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:52 | |
Does his name sound familiar to you? Could you be entitled to his legacy? | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
Kathleen Shackleford was a spinster who died in Southbourne, Bournemouth, in July 2008. | 0:24:02 | 0:24:08 | |
Do you know her? Was she a neighbour of yours? | 0:24:09 | 0:24:12 | |
If no relatives are found for John K Robinson or Kathleen Shackleford, | 0:24:12 | 0:24:17 | |
their money will go to the government. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:19 | |
But could it be meant for you? | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
Later, we rejoin the team at Fraser and Fraser, | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
nine months after they first started to investigate the case of John Kiff, formerly Smith. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:37 | |
But could his estate still be bamboozling them? | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
In the estate of Ivy Sherry, nine half-siblings have been found by heir hunter Saul Marks. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:49 | |
Amazingly, none of them had ever heard of Ivy, their half-sister. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
When Ivy was born, her mother, Lily was working as a domestic servant, | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
and having children, especially out of wedlock, was deeply frowned upon. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:05 | |
If Lily had wanted to keep her job, she could well have been expected to give up Ivy, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:10 | |
which would explain her separation from her siblings in later life. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
At this time, Lily worked for an infamous figure, Battling Bessie Braddock, | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
and she told her daughter, Anne, all about Bessie. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
I think I was on the tram with her, or something, and we were passing Deane Road, round by Botanic Park, | 0:25:22 | 0:25:30 | |
and she said, "I used to live in that street. I used to be in service." | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
And that's when she told me about working for Bessie Braddock. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
And I thought, "Ooh, Mum worked for someone famous." | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:25:43 | 0:25:44 | |
Bessie Braddock was a controversial MP from Liverpool. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
She was a fervent champion of the working class in the Labour Party, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
so if anyone was going to flout convention by allowing a single mum, like Lily, to keep her job, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:57 | |
it was Bessie. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:00 | |
Bessie Braddock was a formidable woman. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:02 | |
She became an MP after the war. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:06 | |
She was an MP for 24 years. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
She campaigned tirelessly for workers' rights in Liverpool, to her dying day. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:15 | |
During the 1930s, Liverpool and its famous Dockyard were hit hard by the Great Depression, | 0:26:15 | 0:26:20 | |
and the resulting poverty that Bessie saw shaped her political convictions. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:25 | |
The only alternative solution to the problem | 0:26:25 | 0:26:28 | |
lies in complete abolition of prescription charges. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
As youngsters, we were told the stories about her at a very early age. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:38 | |
My grandmother told me about her, my parents told me about her. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:41 | |
Never mind John Lennon. She was the Liverpool working-class hero. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
Bessie was certainly fond of Lily, and Anne remembers her talking about attending her mum and dad's wedding. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:53 | |
She said Bessie Braddock came to the wedding, and she wouldn't kneel down in church because she was an atheist. | 0:26:53 | 0:27:01 | |
And I think that's the very first time I heard that word - atheist. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
Although Lily moved on from Bessie's employment when she subsequently married, | 0:27:06 | 0:27:10 | |
it is hard to imagine Bessie would have been the cause of Ivy's estrangement from the family. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:16 | |
I think Bessie Braddock would have been very sympathetic with Lily and what she'd had to go through. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:21 | |
I think she could see that she was trying to bring up young children, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:24 | |
and the plight that she'd found herself in. | 0:27:24 | 0:27:27 | |
I think she would have had every sympathy with her. It's that type of person that she fought for. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:33 | |
So, if employment is not the cause, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
then what could be the reason for Ivy's separation from her many siblings? | 0:27:35 | 0:27:40 | |
Saul is meeting heir and half-sister Anne Dowling to reveal more and to try and find out about Ivy's life. | 0:27:41 | 0:27:48 | |
-Hello. -Hello. -Are you all right? | 0:27:48 | 0:27:50 | |
This is the cause of death. | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
"1A" is a cerebrovascular accident, which is a stroke. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:56 | |
-Yeah. -Point two is learning difficulties, epilepsy and previous TIAs. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:02 | |
TIAs are mini strokes. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
At the time of her death, Ivy had many learning difficulties and was living in supportive housing. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:12 | |
Her carers were the closest people in her life. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
I've spoken to some of the neighbours of this address. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
One of the women said that she remembered Ivy and that Ivy was blind. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
-Ah, no. -I don't know how long she was blind for, | 0:28:25 | 0:28:28 | |
but they remember her being blind and they remembered the name Ivy Sherry. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:35 | |
Oh, God. | 0:28:35 | 0:28:36 | |
-Oh, that's just thrown me a bit. -Aw. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:41 | |
It turned out, Ivy was diagnosed blind from an early age. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
Coupled with her other learning difficulties, could this range of disabilities | 0:28:49 | 0:28:54 | |
explain why her mother gave her up? | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
I'm just ima... | 0:29:00 | 0:29:01 | |
My imagination's working overtime. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
I know how close I am to my family and my children. | 0:29:04 | 0:29:09 | |
I just can't imagine the life that she's had. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:13 | |
I just wish I'd known her and I just wish... | 0:29:14 | 0:29:17 | |
I just don't think it's fair. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
When Ivy was born, in 1934, disability was looked upon in a very different way. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:30 | |
It was extremely common then, | 0:29:30 | 0:29:32 | |
for people with even minor learning difficulties, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:35 | |
to be placed in an institution, away from their family. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
and this is probably what happened with Ivy. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
From the early 20th century, | 0:29:42 | 0:29:44 | |
the momentum to segregate people with learning difficulties | 0:29:44 | 0:29:47 | |
from the rest of society gained momentum. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:49 | |
It was a matter of shame and stigma to have a child with a learning difficulty. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:54 | |
So the pressures there, as well, to accept an institutional place, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:59 | |
or even to ask for one, were quite intense. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
Although Ivy was put into care, at the time, | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
it was often seen as the best thing a mother could do for herself and her child. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:13 | |
It would be very wrong to judge Lily's decision to put Ivy into an institution by today's lights. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:21 | |
Remember that Lily would have been subject to double stigma as an unmarried mother, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:27 | |
and as having a disabled child, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
that she faced huge practical difficulties. She would have had no financial support from the state, | 0:30:30 | 0:30:36 | |
she would have had no practical support in caring for her daughter, | 0:30:36 | 0:30:40 | |
and she may well have thought that her daughter would have a better future in an institution | 0:30:40 | 0:30:46 | |
than she would in the alternative, which was a workhouse. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
After learning about the half-sister she never knew she had, | 0:30:51 | 0:30:54 | |
heir Anne Dowling is making her way with her son, Kenny, | 0:30:54 | 0:30:57 | |
to the care home where Ivy spent her final years. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
She has resolved to discover more about her half-sister and her life in care. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:07 | |
We're just about to go to the home where Ivy lived, | 0:31:07 | 0:31:11 | |
and see if we can get any photographs or learn as much as we can about her here and... | 0:31:11 | 0:31:18 | |
..just find out as much as we can, really. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:23 | |
In a private, but illuminating, meeting, | 0:31:23 | 0:31:26 | |
Anne managed to find out lots of enlightening information about Ivy from her carers. | 0:31:26 | 0:31:32 | |
This meeting has left her one step closer to knowing her half-sister. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
They said she was a happy person... | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
could stand up for herself, even though she was blind... | 0:31:39 | 0:31:44 | |
er...loved her holidays. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:46 | |
They went away, every year, on holiday. She loved Blackpool, Rhyl... | 0:31:46 | 0:31:53 | |
Yeah, but they said she was a real character, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:56 | |
and she was really well thought of, they loved her. | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
So that's made me feel a lot easier. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:04 | |
Anne has also managed to see Ivy's memory box from the care home and look at some photos. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:10 | |
Her resemblance to the rest of the family is clear to Anne, and Ivy's friends. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:15 | |
As soon as I walked in, they went, "You can tell you're Ivy's sister. You look like her." | 0:32:15 | 0:32:20 | |
It's just amazing. You couldn't deny she was one of our sisters. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:25 | |
the estate of Ivy Sherry has raised a whole host of emotions and questions for Anne. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:32 | |
She has now had to reconsider her own relationship with her mother, | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
who passed away in 1982. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:38 | |
When I first found out... | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
I was... I felt as if I'd been cheated. I felt angry... | 0:32:42 | 0:32:46 | |
..at my mum. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:49 | |
And then... | 0:32:51 | 0:32:52 | |
..I had to think back of what it was like then. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:57 | |
You know, all them years ago. At the time there was no help. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:02 | |
You didn't get dole money, you didn't... | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
There was nothing like that then. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:08 | |
If you didn't work, you didn't eat. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:11 | |
You didn't live. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:13 | |
So...yeah. It was understandable then. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:18 | |
Very. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
Saul's research into the estate of Ivy Sherry was accepted by the Treasury, | 0:33:20 | 0:33:25 | |
with a total of 19 heirs each inheriting part of her £8,000 assets. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
But what his investigation has revealed to the family means far more to them than the money alone. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:36 | |
The case of John Kiff, formerly Smith, was first started by Fraser and Fraser in January 2009. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:56 | |
But they couldn't find a birth certificate, and the case was shelved. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:00 | |
John died in Littlehampton, Sussex, although he was known to have come from London, originally, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:06 | |
where he had a colourful past in the East End. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
I think he thought he was a bit of a Jack the lad. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:12 | |
He mentioned to my husband that he knew the Krays because he lived in that area. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:17 | |
It gave him a bit of kudos, didn't it? | 0:34:17 | 0:34:19 | |
SHE LAUGHS | 0:34:19 | 0:34:21 | |
Although the team threw all their resources at finding heirs, | 0:34:21 | 0:34:24 | |
the case remains unsolved, as they still haven't established which name John was born under, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:30 | |
nor a maiden name for John's mother. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
Without these key details, it's been impossible to progress the case. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
There's something peculiar on this case. I'm not quite sure what it is yet. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:42 | |
There's too many holes, too many unanswered questions at the moment. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:46 | |
It's now nine months later, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
and, since their original research, | 0:34:54 | 0:34:56 | |
millions of birth, death and marriage records have been computerised, | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
allowing for a whole host of new search options to be come available for the heir hunters. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:05 | |
There's been a lot of change in how genealogy and research and heir hunting really takes place. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:13 | |
Developing into the computer age and more and more indexes are put online. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:19 | |
We're able to conduct searches almost the wrong way round, just because the records are on the computers. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:27 | |
Neil has decided to pull out the Kiff/Smith case files to have another look. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:32 | |
But will the new systems provide a breakthrough? | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
The team know, from the electoral records, that in 1976, John was named Kiff, | 0:35:36 | 0:35:42 | |
and was living with a lady called Maud B Kiff. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:45 | |
They believe that this is his mother. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:47 | |
they also know that John called his father a William Kiff, when he got married in 1977. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:53 | |
Using the new computerised searches, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
Neil has come up with a possible marriage of John's parents, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
which they hadn't previously found. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:02 | |
It has the name of the father as Cecil, not William, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
and also assumes that they married 21 years after John was born. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:09 | |
so why would his parents marry so long after having him? | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
All indication from the index of the marriage is that they were co-habiting. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:20 | |
That Maud was living with Cecil | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
and assumed the surname of Kiff. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
So there's a variation on the Christian name of the father of the deceased, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:34 | |
as well as the time period when we expected the marriage to be. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:39 | |
And those two bits being slightly strange is what stopped us finding the marriage, firstly. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:45 | |
It certainly is a breakthrough, if it's correct, so fingers crossed. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:50 | |
If right, the all-important detail is that John's mother's maiden name is Hurley. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:59 | |
It sounds like a long shot, but there's only one way to find out. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:04 | |
Neil has made it his personal priority to go to Camden Register Office | 0:37:07 | 0:37:12 | |
to collect the corresponding birth certificate. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
I hope I'm going to go and pick up a document which we've been looking for now for about nine months. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:21 | |
It's a birth certificate of the deceased. | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
We've probably applied for 50 or 60 different birth certificates | 0:37:23 | 0:37:28 | |
and had a little break on finding a marriage, | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
and, fingers crossed, this is going to be the right birth. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:34 | |
It's been a long time looking for this one. Let's go. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:38 | |
After a half hour wait, Neil has retrieved a certificate. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:47 | |
But does it have the crucial information on to prove that it is finally | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
the birth record of John Cecil Edward Smith? | 0:37:50 | 0:37:55 | |
Good news. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
Cecil Edward is born on the 9th June 1927... | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
is obviously a boy, no father shown. | 0:38:01 | 0:38:05 | |
Maud Beatrice Smith, formerly Hurley, of no occupation. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
On our certificate, it's Cecil Edward Smith. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:14 | |
Er...obviously we were looking for it as John. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:17 | |
All the searches we've put in have all been based around Johns. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:22 | |
And obviously, he's got no John mentioned on the certificate at all. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
So that's a little bit strange for us. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
It IS the breakthrough they need. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
Although he is born as Cecil Edward Smith, instead of John Edward Cecil Smith, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
the crucial information is there - Maud Beatrice Smith is the mother | 0:38:36 | 0:38:41 | |
and her maiden name was, indeed, Hurley. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
It says the mother's Maud Beatrice Smith, formerly Hurley, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:48 | |
no occupation, we've got an address for her as well. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
No father shown, which means we can only prove half blood. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
We don't need to find anything on the paternal side of the family, just the maternal side. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
As John did not have any children of his own, and his mother, Maud, has passed away, | 0:39:00 | 0:39:05 | |
the lines of inheritance dictate that the next nearest kin | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
will be siblings or half-siblings of the deceased. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
Maud was married at least twice, so there is a good possibility that she could have had children. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:18 | |
Case manager David Milchard has now taken over the investigation, but can he track down any family? | 0:39:18 | 0:39:25 | |
From her first marriage to Alfred Cole, she had three children. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
A Joyce, an Alfred and a Ronald. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
So they are, in effect, half-siblings to the deceased. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:39 | |
Alfred and Ronald, we still haven't accounted for, we're still working on that. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:44 | |
Joyce, she died about ten years ago, but she's survived by three children. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:51 | |
It seems John had three half-siblings. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
And his half-sister, Joyce, also had three children. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
One of Joyce's children died as a minor. | 0:39:57 | 0:40:00 | |
However, Linda and her brother are still alive. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:04 | |
The researchers have identified Linda's address in Romford | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
and so traveller Ewart Lindsay has been sent out to meet her. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
A car is in the driveway. | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
After a nine-month wait, the end looks tantalisingly in sight. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:21 | |
Can half-niece Linda confirm that her mother was Joyce? | 0:40:21 | 0:40:26 | |
And can Ewart sign her up to be the first heir on this baffling investigation? | 0:40:26 | 0:40:32 | |
This is really exciting, isn't it? | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
-Your mother's maiden name? -Cole. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:39 | |
-And her Christian names were...? -Joyce Irene Maud. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:44 | |
-And do you know where your mother died? -Where? -Where? | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
That would be in Deal. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:49 | |
Linda and her husband, Malcolm, have confirmed enough information to reassure the heir hunters | 0:40:49 | 0:40:55 | |
that she is, indeed, going to be a beneficiary on the estate of John Kiff. | 0:40:55 | 0:41:00 | |
Do you know, when you leave, I'm going to go out in the garden and go, "Yes!" | 0:41:00 | 0:41:05 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
At the moment, my stomach's going over, thinking how exciting it is. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
Cos Malcolm's just retired, we are a bit... We're not poor, but we could do with a little bit of extra money | 0:41:11 | 0:41:19 | |
and it's wonderful. Really wonderful. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:23 | |
-Yes! -It may have taken them nine months, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
but Fraser and Fraser have finally risen to the challenge of John Kiff's £150,000 estate, | 0:41:26 | 0:41:33 | |
and found the two rightful heirs. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
The case has been beset by problems every step of the way, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
but case manager Dave Milchard takes the most satisfaction from cases like these. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
Thankfully, he's been able to obtain an agreement from us, so we can pursue a claim on their behalf. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:50 | |
It's what I call a real job. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:51 | |
It feels as though you've actually done something and... | 0:41:51 | 0:41:55 | |
..if it all comes off and we get our fee, we've earnt our money. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
John Kiff, otherwise Cecil Smith, otherwise John Smith, | 0:42:00 | 0:42:05 | |
may have led a life shrouded in mystery, | 0:42:05 | 0:42:08 | |
but friend Pam believes this would be just the way he would have wanted it. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
John would say that... | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
he'd been known under other names | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
and he'd had other names and we used to wonder if his surname was the real surname | 0:42:18 | 0:42:25 | |
or if it was like one that he'd adopted. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:28 | |
We didn't know for sure. He was a bit of an enigma, really. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:33 | |
He's...very difficult to get to the bottom of. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
Probably enjoyed it, you know. Gave you something to think about, didn't it? | 0:42:36 | 0:42:42 | |
I think he liked a bit of mystery about himself, really. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
Oh, you'll remember John, yes, definitely. He made quite an impression on you. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:50 | |
Yeah. Mm. One way or another. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:54 | |
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