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Every year, thousands of people die without leaving a will. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
If no relatives come forward, then their estates will go to the government. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:11 | |
Keeping this money in the family is a job for the Heir Hunters. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
On today's programme... | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
Can the travelling Heir Hunters keep up with the pace in the office? | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
Dave, it's David here in the office. I need to speak to you as soon as possible. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
We've got another address. I'd like you to go round as soon as possible. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
And the Heir Hunters are contacted by the neighbours of a derelict house which is causing them grief. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:54 | |
We got the council involved because it kept getting broken into. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
There were hypodermic syringes and all things like that. It was terrible. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:03 | |
Plus, we'll have information on some of the hundreds of estates still waiting to be claimed. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:09 | |
Could you be in line for a windfall? | 0:01:09 | 0:01:12 | |
Two-thirds of people in the UK don't have a valid will | 0:01:18 | 0:01:21 | |
and therefore no record of their last wishes. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
If they die before they've made one and no next of kin are found, their money goes to the government | 0:01:24 | 0:01:30 | |
who last year alone made a whopping £18 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:35 | |
That's where the Heir Hunters step in. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
-Pleased to meet you. -More than 30 heir-hunting companies make it their business to find long-lost relatives | 0:01:38 | 0:01:46 | |
and it can be rewarding for the unsuspecting heirs. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
In the last ten years alone, one of the oldest companies in Britain, Fraser & Fraser, | 0:01:49 | 0:01:54 | |
has enabled a staggering £100 million to be inherited. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:58 | |
-Good morning, Pat. -Morning. -It's Thursday, the office's busiest day of the week. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:10 | |
The Treasury has published its latest list of unclaimed estates, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:15 | |
so the team have been up early hunting for cases worth pursuing further. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:20 | |
Company partner Neil Fraser homed in on the estate of Peter Hollins. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:24 | |
We can be looking at an estate value of £150,000 to possibly £300,000, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:29 | |
certainly a good, valuable case, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
so we will get straight on to that. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
A valuable case like this will attract competition, so the team need to work quickly. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:41 | |
Who's got the Hollins job? | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
Initial investigations show that Peter Hollins died aged 70 | 0:02:49 | 0:02:53 | |
in his home in Croydon, Surrey. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:56 | |
His friend Tom first met him over 35 years ago at a party. | 0:02:56 | 0:03:01 | |
With people around him, he was very bubbly, a very bubbly man, very entertaining. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:08 | |
He loved people round for dinner. That was one of the main things he loved to do. He loved to cook. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:14 | |
Um...parties. But underneath all this, he was very, very lonely. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:19 | |
Peter never married and as he died without leaving a will, | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
his estate, which could be worth as much as £300,000, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
will go into the Treasury's coffers unless heirs are found. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
Researcher Simon is put on to the case. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
Immediately, he starts looking for the all-important birth record. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:41 | |
Simon knows this is his most important task of the day so far, but already it's not going well. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:48 | |
For our deceased, we can't find a birth for him. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
If the address we've got is correct, he should have been born in the March quarter of 1939. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:57 | |
And there isn't one that we can find. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
We're trying a few variations, otherwise, potentially, he was adopted. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:07 | |
Without a birth certificate, it is virtually impossible for the team to build up a family tree | 0:04:07 | 0:04:14 | |
as they will be unable to verify the names of Peter's parents. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
Hitting brick walls in the office, they start to explore other avenues. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:23 | |
We're going to deploy Dave Hadley. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:28 | |
He's going to head down there, do an enquiry, speak to some of the neighbours. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
There's not very much on the phone at the moment, so we'll see where that leads us. Dave's our key man. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:40 | |
Ex-police officer Dave Hadley is one of several travelling Heir Hunters based up and down the country | 0:04:42 | 0:04:48 | |
who are just waiting for a call to be dispatched wherever the case takes them. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:54 | |
They play an invaluable role, picking up vital birth, death and marriage certificates, | 0:04:54 | 0:05:00 | |
as well as gathering information from neighbours, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
but their key job is signing up heirs ahead of the competition. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:08 | |
With nothing concrete to go on in the office, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:11 | |
it's down to Dave to see if he can uncover information about Peter. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
The idea is to speak to neighbours, speak to friends, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
see what they can tell me about the individual | 0:05:19 | 0:05:24 | |
and get some idea of how big the estate is, | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
where he was born, whether he was married, whether he had children. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
The name of his parents if I can get it, brothers and sisters, this type of thing. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:38 | |
As Dave tries to get information for a family tree out on the road... | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
..back in the office, the team decide to look into other options. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
The absence of a birth record for Peter may mean he was adopted, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
so the team start to investigate this possibility further. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
Being adopted is the same as having a total blood transfusion. You form part of your new family. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:02 | |
The blood family we are now looking for are the adopted family, the father and mother. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:07 | |
But if Peter was adopted, this could potentially delay their search. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:12 | |
Adoptions are indexed by the parents' married surnames only, | 0:06:12 | 0:06:16 | |
so there are no Christian or, more importantly, maiden names on these records. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:21 | |
The only way to acquire these names is via the adoption certificate, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:26 | |
but these records can take 24 hours to arrive, so in the meantime, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
they'll need to go down a different route. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
We're going to try and do a lot more enquiries | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
and try and work back the address of Peter | 0:06:37 | 0:06:40 | |
and see if we can get a name. | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
If we can get one person living with him at one time, we may be able to get a Christian name | 0:06:43 | 0:06:48 | |
to be able to work out either the mother or the father, and therefore we can roll from that. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:54 | |
The team discover that Peter lived in the same house for many years, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:58 | |
so Simon goes through all the records connected to the property | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
to see if there is anyone else associated with it, and one name keeps cropping up. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:08 | |
A Rose Florence Moon. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
Born in 1901. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
It's all a bit of spec on the basis that it was an adoption. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
We can't be 100% sure that Rose is the mother of the deceased. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
It just looks the most likely marriage to go with... | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
Although everything points towards Rose Moon being Peter's mother, | 0:07:25 | 0:07:30 | |
until they get it confirmed, the team can still only speculate. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
They need hard evidence and are relying on travelling Heir Hunter Dave Hadley to come up with it. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:40 | |
Right, we've arrived at the address. It looks like a private house. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:45 | |
I'm going to knock at the neighbours first. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
On a case like this, any clues the neighbours can give will be invaluable. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
-I'm making enquiries about Peter, Peter Hollins that lived at Number 12. -Yeah. -Did you know him at all? | 0:07:55 | 0:08:01 | |
-I only know him... -As a neighbour? -Yeah. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
Do you know where he was born, was he adopted or anything like that? | 0:08:04 | 0:08:09 | |
-We heard that he was adopted. -Right. -I know he came here 30 years ago. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:14 | |
-Did he? -Yeah, he lived here for 30 years. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:17 | |
-You don't know if he had any children? -He definitely had no children because he was gay. -Right. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:24 | |
Dave is already starting to build up a picture of Peter's life | 0:08:25 | 0:08:29 | |
which, according to his friend Tom, is pretty accurate. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:33 | |
He was brought up in a time when being gay was quite taboo. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:40 | |
And not accepted, nowhere near to what it is now. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:44 | |
And I think this reflected in his personality. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
I think this is probably why he was so withdrawn, if you like, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
because he was obviously worried about people's response about being gay. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:59 | |
Peter lived a lonely life and never found his soul mate. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
The trouble with Peter was he used to... | 0:09:05 | 0:09:09 | |
He used to set his expectations high. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:12 | |
He used to see a personality, a good-looking man on television | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
and he wanted to be with somebody like that. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
I used to say to him, "Peter, you've got to set your standards a little lower, if you like, | 0:09:19 | 0:09:25 | |
"because if you take that attitude, you're never going to get anybody." | 0:09:25 | 0:09:30 | |
And sadly, that was the case. He didn't. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
Peter became more isolated as he got older | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
and towards the end of his life, he refused to see anyone, even his close friend Tom. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:44 | |
He told no-one about his last wishes, so the search for his beneficiaries goes on. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:50 | |
We're trying to find relatives for Peter. Do you know what his parents' names were? | 0:09:50 | 0:09:55 | |
-Rose. -Definitely Rose? -Rose. -That's great. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
-That's what we thought. Rose Moon? -That's it. -Lovely. Thank you very much. That's confirmed it. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:04 | |
It's the breakthrough they've been after. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
Dave's street enquiries have been able to confirm Peter's mother was as they suspected - Rose Moon. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:14 | |
So finally, back in the office, the team are able to start to draw up a family tree. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:20 | |
Senior case manager David Pacifico comes on board. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
As Peter was Rose's only child, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
they need to look towards the extended family for heirs. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
Investigations show that Rose was the daughter of Charles Moon and Ada Penfold. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:37 | |
They had two other children, Herbert and Leslie. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
Herbert was married twice, but died without any children. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
Leslie had two daughters, Josephine and Christina. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:49 | |
Christina died without having children, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
so it appears that Josephine is the only heir on this stem, but there is a snag. | 0:10:53 | 0:10:58 | |
Born in Croydon, she now lives up in Angus in Scotland | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
and unfortunately, the office has no travellers based up there. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
Neil can only phone her, but he's not the only heir-hunting company in contact with her this morning. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:12 | |
Take care. Goodbye. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:15 | |
She has been contacted by the competition. They phoned her very early this morning. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:21 | |
They are going to visit her. I do not want to visit her as well. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:25 | |
I don't think it's fair to put the family under undue pressure to sign any agreement. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:31 | |
This time, Neil has decided to go for the softly, softly approach and only write to the heir. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:36 | |
But he knows he is taking a risk as the heir may end up signing with the competition. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:42 | |
The office's painstaking detective work may have led them to their first heir, | 0:11:42 | 0:11:48 | |
but further digging by Simon shows that Josephine might not be the only heir on the Moon side after all. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:55 | |
Although their initial investigations showed that Herbert Moon didn't have any children, | 0:11:55 | 0:12:01 | |
Simon has now discovered that he had a son Desmond from his first marriage. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
So we have another heir on the Moon side which we didn't know about, | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
so there's now more than one stem that are entitled. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
Hopefully, we might be the first to this one. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
With competition hot on their heels, it's vital that the team get to Desmond first. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:25 | |
David Pacifico finds an address for him and puts in a call to Dave. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
Dave, it's David here in the office. I need to speak to you. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
Looks like we've got another address. I would like you to go round as soon as possible. | 0:12:33 | 0:12:39 | |
Coming up - as the hunt for heirs hots up, | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
things aren't as straightforward as they first appear. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:46 | |
When did he die? | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
Research into cases advertised by the Treasury is only one part of Fraser & Fraser's business. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:02 | |
Some estates are referred to them directly from members of the public. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:07 | |
In November 2009, Neil Fraser was told of a vacant property falling into disrepair. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:15 | |
It's an estate which came from a slightly different source for us. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
It came from someone who lives in the neighbourhood and referred the property to us, | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
not the deceased's estate. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:29 | |
They're interested in us trying to find out who owned the house | 0:13:29 | 0:13:33 | |
and from who owned the house, where they are now and if they're going to do anything about it. | 0:13:33 | 0:13:39 | |
Value-wise, I think we're looking at probably in the region of £200,000. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:44 | |
When we look at the street, the house stands out. It's the only one with boards up on the windows. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:51 | |
It's the only one with a garage next door which looks like it's falling down and it's certainly unpainted. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:57 | |
So it stands out as being the eyesore in the road | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
and you can understand now why the neighbour or the neighbours around wanted to sort out this house. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:09 | |
The house is a three-bedroomed, semi-detached property in Birmingham. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:17 | |
Part of a 1930s development, the house has been vacant for over two years | 0:14:19 | 0:14:25 | |
and is in a very shabby condition. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:27 | |
Next-door neighbour Robert Fereday has always found the area peaceful, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
but recently, the house next door has become a constant nuisance. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
We got the council involved because of the break-ins. It kept getting broken into all the time. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:44 | |
The council came along, we went in there and there was hypodermic syringes all over the floor. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:51 | |
I don't know what it was used for, but they were breaking in on a regular basis. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:56 | |
It's awful because you don't know what's going on. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
You hear a noise in the night. They would come over the fence into here. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:04 | |
We're completely vulnerable at the back. At one stage, it was every other week. It was terrible. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:10 | |
Robert had reached the end of his tether as he had heard nothing | 0:15:10 | 0:15:15 | |
about how much longer it might sit vacant for, | 0:15:15 | 0:15:19 | |
so he contacted the Heir Hunters to see what they could do. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:24 | |
It's important for us to identify who owns the property. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
It's owned by two different people which gives us a slight headache to start with. It's shared ownership. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:35 | |
In this case, we got some enquiries that it was about a John Ashby. | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
When we get the document, it says actually, "John Durham Jocelyn Ashby," | 0:15:40 | 0:15:45 | |
so straight away, we've been able to extend his name out by giving two extra middle names, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:51 | |
which makes it very easy to identify. | 0:15:51 | 0:15:54 | |
John Ashby was the last resident at the address | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
and Robert knew him well before he passed away in April 2007. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
John was a very private man. He liked his snooker. We used to talk snooker quite a bit. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:11 | |
If you went out with him socially, which I did on a couple of occasions, I went to his club, he was fine. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:17 | |
He was very talkative, but round the houses, round here, no, he didn't want to talk. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:23 | |
One thing John did speak affectionately about was his time in the army. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:30 | |
Friends recount that he worked as an interpreter for a number of years, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
even mentioning working under General Montgomery, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
the man fabled for leading the Allied troops in North Africa against General Rommel in 1942. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:44 | |
John was said to later have requested a transfer to the Royal Artillery | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
where he eventually reached the rank of Major. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
He was in Burma and all those places, you know. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
He served in the war quite a bit. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:03 | |
As he had died, it would be John's beneficiaries that had an interest in the property, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:10 | |
so Neil needed to do some more enquiries. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:13 | |
As far as we're aware at the moment, Mr Ashby didn't leave a will. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
We've still yet to search the property and it may well be in the property | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
and there's a few more enquiries which have still got to come back, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:27 | |
but we cannot find a will, so we treat him as intestate, | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
and we draw back his family tree to find the next of kin, as we do on most of our other estates. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
Unlike other cases, however, Neil knew that this property was jointly owned. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:43 | |
The other owner was a Mr Prior who had also already passed away. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:49 | |
In Mr Prior's case, a will has already been discovered, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
so his portion is in theory very straightforward to redistribute. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:58 | |
We know exactly where the property is going to go because he has left a will. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:04 | |
From that point of view, we will just contact the executors or the beneficiaries | 0:18:04 | 0:18:09 | |
and we'll make them aware of the existence of an additional asset really. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:15 | |
However, whilst Mr Ashby's part remained unsolved, | 0:18:15 | 0:18:19 | |
Number 94, Shirley Road would remain a thorn in the neighbours' side. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
Fraser & Fraser decided to investigate properly | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
and case manager David Pacifico took over the task of finding heirs to the estate of John Ashby. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:34 | |
We needed to start somewhere and therefore used our guy in Birmingham, Paul Matthews, | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
to see if he could obtain more information, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:42 | |
as well as obtaining the death certificates and other local enquiries. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:47 | |
Paul Matthews is a regional Heir Hunter who travels around the country to pick up certificates. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:55 | |
That's great. Thank you very much. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:58 | |
And make local enquiries, all in the quest to sign up heirs. | 0:18:58 | 0:19:02 | |
Was that George? | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
OK, cheers. Thank you. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
He has made his way to Solihull Register Office to pick up the death certificate. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:12 | |
It should confirm John's full name, date of birth | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
and might even name a close friend of John's as an informant. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
I've now got the certificate of the deceased who is John Durham Jocelyn Ashby. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:28 | |
We've got an address where he used to live. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
We were hoping for a good informant. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
Unfortunately, it's a coroner's job, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
so, basically, there's no informant on this one and we can't get it at this moment in time. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:42 | |
So we'll have to go to the property where the deceased used to live. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:47 | |
It's not all we wanted, but it's a start. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
A coroner informs on a death when the cause is unclear, sudden or even suspicious. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:56 | |
John died of a coronary heart disease, | 0:19:56 | 0:19:59 | |
exacerbated by bronchopneumonia and infected sores. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:03 | |
Although initially uncertain, the inquest established that this was the result of natural causes. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:09 | |
Unfortunately for the Heir Hunters, a coroner rarely knows the deceased personally, | 0:20:09 | 0:20:15 | |
so this information will be of little help to their investigation. | 0:20:15 | 0:20:20 | |
However, research in the office led by Gareth Langford progressed | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
as they found records indicating who John's parents were. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:28 | |
What we were looking at was we had an Edgar Ashby and a Nora Badham. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
Once we had established the parents' marriage, we had to see if the deceased had any brothers or sisters. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:38 | |
It turns out he did - Hugh. Hugh was born in 1926 in West Bromwich. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
Unfortunately, it looks like he died a bachelor and he didn't have any issue, | 0:20:42 | 0:20:48 | |
so from our point of view, that was a dead end for us. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
Neither John nor his brother Hugh ever married. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
They remained close to each other and lived around the corner from one another for most of their lives. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:03 | |
A lady who knew them both for over 25 years was Dallas. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
They were two very different people. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:12 | |
Physically, and their attitude. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
But they always did things together. | 0:21:15 | 0:21:17 | |
If one had come down here, the other one would come down here. They always did things together. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:23 | |
The thing I remember most about both of them is Hugh complaining to me | 0:21:23 | 0:21:29 | |
that John wasn't domestic, not domesticated in any way. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
So Hugh used to go home whenever he could | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
to at least maintain the front garden because he worried about the neighbours. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:44 | |
That wasn't important in John's life. He was his own person. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:49 | |
Quite happy to be doing what he wanted to do. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
John might not have put a high value on appearances, but as well as being a major in the army, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:59 | |
he was an accountant by trade, so Dallas never expected his final affairs to be so disorganised. | 0:21:59 | 0:22:05 | |
I'm very surprised that John, who struck me as being efficient, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:10 | |
didn't make his will, but then maybe, particularly after Hugh died, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:16 | |
he would have been on his own. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:19 | |
Maybe he didn't feel that he knew what to do | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
or what sort of will... what he was wanting to do. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:28 | |
As neither John nor Hugh had any children, the office had to look for cousins or their descendants | 0:22:29 | 0:22:35 | |
to find heirs on the estate. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
Back in Birmingham, Paul has made his way to the house where John lived. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:44 | |
His first port of call is to visit next door neighbour Robert | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
to see if he can shed any more light on John's estate or family. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:53 | |
I came to see your husband about the house next door. Can you spare us a few minutes? | 0:22:53 | 0:22:59 | |
Got the grandkids in? | 0:22:59 | 0:23:02 | |
See, what happened was there were two brothers, both willed each other. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:07 | |
One died first leaving everything to his brother. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
Then before it was all done, before he changed his will, he died. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
-So the two brothers died. -So in effect there's no will at all. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
It turns out John did leave a will and left everything to Hugh. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:26 | |
Unfortunately, Hugh died in 2005 so the will is invalid | 0:23:26 | 0:23:31 | |
as there are no provisions for what happens in the event of his death. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:36 | |
It is, after all, an intestacy case so Fraser's need to find heirs. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
Robert has also mentioned that when Hugh died, he left everything to John | 0:23:41 | 0:23:47 | |
so all of his possessions, including a house, will add to John's estate. | 0:23:47 | 0:23:51 | |
-So basically the brother has left John a property. -That's right. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
And John was an accountant, a major in the army, never married. | 0:23:55 | 0:24:01 | |
Oh, right... | 0:24:01 | 0:24:03 | |
-So you think it's a large estate. -I think so. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
This is an important new piece of information. John's estate now comprises of two houses | 0:24:06 | 0:24:12 | |
and other possessions, so it's currently estimated to be worth £500,000. | 0:24:12 | 0:24:19 | |
With such a valuable case unsolved, the heir hunters desperately need to find uncles and aunts | 0:24:19 | 0:24:25 | |
who might have had children. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:27 | |
The focus of the investigation has switched back to the office. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:31 | |
Can Gareth find an heir or will the £500,000 estate go to the government? | 0:24:31 | 0:24:36 | |
For every case that is cracked, many thousands remain a mystery. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
When someone dies, their assets are kept for up to 30 years | 0:24:51 | 0:24:56 | |
in the hope that, ultimately, someone will remember and come forward to claim their legacy. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:02 | |
The estates can range wildly in value from £5,000 to many millions | 0:25:03 | 0:25:08 | |
with the rightful heirs unaware of the windfall they could claim. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
Today we've got two cases heir hunters have failed to solve. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
Could you have the answer? Maybe you're entitled to a windfall. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:21 | |
James Mackin Currie Hutchison died in Bristol on 6th July, 1999. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:29 | |
So far, every effort to find his rightful heir has failed, | 0:25:29 | 0:25:33 | |
but could you be in line for a share of his legacy? | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
Paul Jules passed away on 12th May, 2001 | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
in Stepney Green, East London. Do you recognise his name? | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
Did he live in your neighbourhood? Maybe you're even related to him and one of his heirs. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:54 | |
If no next of kin are found for James Hutchison or Paul Jules, | 0:25:55 | 0:25:59 | |
their cash will go to the government, but could it be meant for you? | 0:25:59 | 0:26:05 | |
Heir hunting company Fraser and Fraser has been looking into the case of Peter Hollins. | 0:26:10 | 0:26:16 | |
He died in 2009, leaving behind an estate that could be worth | 0:26:16 | 0:26:21 | |
anywhere between £150,000 and £300,000. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
But this will end up in the Treasury's coffers unless his rightful beneficiaries are found. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:33 | |
As Peter was adopted, the team initially found it tricky to trace his family tree. | 0:26:33 | 0:26:40 | |
I can't see any Peter D Hollins. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
But by pulling together evidence discovered door to door, | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
the team were able to establish who Peter's adoptive parents were | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
and started to look towards his extended family for heirs. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
Now Dave is searching for the final pieces of the puzzle and heads to the last known address of a cousin. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:05 | |
-It's not good news. -When did he die? | 0:27:05 | 0:27:07 | |
Unfortunately, Desmond passed away earlier this year, but he had four sons. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:13 | |
One lives at this address, but is at work. Another son is on his way. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:18 | |
As Desmond has died, his share of Peter's estate passes on to his four sons | 0:27:19 | 0:27:26 | |
and so all Dave can do now is wait. | 0:27:26 | 0:27:28 | |
Meanwhile, back in the office, senior case manager David Pacifico has been relentless | 0:27:30 | 0:27:37 | |
in searching the paternal side. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:40 | |
Haven't had a stop for a drink yet! | 0:27:40 | 0:27:43 | |
Investigations show that Peter's father Frederick was was the son of Frances Hollins and Edith Simmons. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:51 | |
They had eight children in total, | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
so David is painstakingly looking for their children as they would all be potential heirs. | 0:27:54 | 0:28:00 | |
I'm looking for the descendants of this Doris Irene Hill, formerly Hollins, who married back in 1919. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:08 | |
We're still not certain how many children they had. We're certain of one son called Frederick. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:14 | |
They may well have had a daughter, Kathleen. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
While David Pacifico continues in the office, back on the road David number two has just finished | 0:28:18 | 0:28:25 | |
a successful meeting with one of Peter's first cousins once removed. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:30 | |
We had a good interview. He's given me a little bit of information about one of his brothers | 0:28:30 | 0:28:36 | |
and I've got an appointment to see another brother tomorrow. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
So it was really useful and it went really well. He's happy to sign an agreement. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:46 | |
I'll pass that to the office. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:49 | |
Dave will return to Desmond's house later to meet another heir. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:57 | |
Due to all of his hard work on the road, back in the office things are now coming together, too. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:03 | |
We've been quite lucky because of the surname, the Hollins surname. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:09 | |
With that, it's enabled us to speculatively find the deaths of the parents. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:15 | |
We found the deaths of the parents and got on to the family | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
and they've been able to confirm about Peter being adopted. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:24 | |
David Pacifico has been working through the paternal side of the family tree | 0:29:24 | 0:29:30 | |
and has just got hold of one of Peter's cousins. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
That's a very interesting call. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
She had two siblings. Frederick, who died in Aberdeen - that's why we couldn't pick him up for certain - | 0:29:37 | 0:29:44 | |
who has got a son living up there in Aberdeen. We'll get his address. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:49 | |
And a sister Joan. She's had no contact for some 40-odd years. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:55 | |
It seems Joan didn't want to know about her family and disappeared. | 0:29:55 | 0:29:59 | |
So we've got to track her down. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
Doris Hollins married Frederick Hill and had three children, Peter's first cousins. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:11 | |
They will all be entitled to a share of the estate. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
By speaking to Kathleen, David has discovered that Frederick's share will be passed down to his son | 0:30:16 | 0:30:22 | |
but the whereabouts of their sister Joan remains a mystery. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:27 | |
The team will need to find her, though, as she, like Peter's other heirs, could be in line | 0:30:29 | 0:30:35 | |
for a life-changing sum of money. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
Being conservative, and without really looking into it, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:41 | |
I'd hope for a value of around £200,000. £200,000 over the five stems is £40,000 per stem. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:48 | |
On two of them there's only one beneficiary, so it's a pretty good situation for them. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:55 | |
With all the twists and turns and the sheer number of heirs, | 0:30:57 | 0:31:02 | |
they have to take the case into a second day. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:06 | |
So early the next morning Neil gets another travelling heir hunter, Ewart Lindsay, on the road. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:19 | |
He's off to see one of Peter's cousins, Kathleen. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:25 | |
I've got an appointment to see an heir, a first cousin to the deceased on the paternal side of this case. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:31 | |
I'm hoping I'll be on time. | 0:31:34 | 0:31:37 | |
The traffic's looking pretty good. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:39 | |
Also out and about this morning is another one of the team's experienced probate researchers. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:46 | |
Mr Moon? Hello. David Hadley. Pleased to meet you. | 0:31:46 | 0:31:50 | |
Dave signed up one of Peter's heirs yesterday, his cousin Desmond's son, | 0:31:50 | 0:31:55 | |
-and now hopes to get another one onside. -I work for a company called Fraser and Fraser. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:01 | |
We're probate researchers. We trace missing heirs and beneficiaries. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:06 | |
So we picked up a case yesterday of a gentleman that passed away in Croydon earlier this year. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:12 | |
-We believe that you and your brothers are related to this person through your father. -Right. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:19 | |
While Dave Hadley is passing on news of a potential windfall to an unsuspecting relative, | 0:32:19 | 0:32:26 | |
in the office the team's detective work has solved the mystery of Kathleen's long-lost sister. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:32 | |
Case manager Frances Brett calls Ewart to pass on the news. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:39 | |
-The heir I'm going to see now, this is her sister? -That's right. | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
-And she dies in Kent as Raeburn. -Right. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
When you get there, you'll be able to tell her that we have established that her sister Joan is dead. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:55 | |
Right. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:57 | |
Ewart now has the unenviable task of passing this sad news on to Kathleen. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:03 | |
Meanwhile in south London, Dave's finished a meeting with Christopher. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
-Any questions, just give us a bell. -Will do. -Thank you. Bye bye. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:12 | |
Right, well, I've just finished an interview with Christopher Moon. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
It was a good interview, actually. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
'He confirmed a lot of the information that we'd already got.' | 0:33:19 | 0:33:24 | |
Didn't have any new information for me, but we're pretty much up to date on the tree. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:30 | |
And he's agreed to sign an agreement with us. So it was a successful day. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:35 | |
140 miles away in Nottinghamshire, Ewart arrives at Kathleen's home | 0:33:37 | 0:33:42 | |
-and his first task is to pass on his news. -Before I start interviewing you, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:48 | |
seeing as we are talking about your brother and it is going to go on to your sister, | 0:33:48 | 0:33:54 | |
-I know you wanted to find out what's happened to your sister. -Yes. | 0:33:54 | 0:34:00 | |
I've just been told that she has passed away. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:05 | |
-Oh, really? -Yeah. 2004. -Right. -OK? -Yes. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:10 | |
We're not too sure at the moment if she had any children, but she got married when she was about 21. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:17 | |
I think she possibly did remarry as she died under a different name. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:22 | |
-Right. -But we're not too sure about children. That's what we're looking into. OK? -Right. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:29 | |
Before discussing the inheritance, Ewart puts in a quick call to the office | 0:34:30 | 0:34:35 | |
to double check if there isn't any more information he can pass on. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:40 | |
While he has been travelling to visit her, the office has been working hard to find out | 0:34:40 | 0:34:46 | |
if Joan had any children, as they would also have a claim. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:50 | |
They've found out she had a son | 0:34:50 | 0:34:53 | |
This is not the only interesting information about Joan that the team are eager for Ewart to pass on. | 0:34:54 | 0:35:01 | |
Yes, I will, I will. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
Em, Mrs Shepperton, | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
we have now established that your sister did indeed have a son. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
-Yeah. One son just...? -One son, yeah. -Right. -Yes. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:17 | |
-From her second marriage. -Oh, right. -To a Mr Raeburn. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:22 | |
Raeburn. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:23 | |
And it looks like she was actually a Lady when she died. | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
Kathleen's sister rejected her family after she married Edward Raeburn, | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
the 3rd Baronet of Helensburgh. Kathleen had no idea that Joan had married nobility | 0:35:36 | 0:35:42 | |
or had had children, so the news that she has a nephew comes out of the blue. | 0:35:42 | 0:35:47 | |
It's made me feel a lot better. I don't feel so lonely and so alone in the world, | 0:35:47 | 0:35:53 | |
as if there's just me and no one else about, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:58 | |
no one I can maybe contact if they ever want to contact me. | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
It's a very nice surprise. | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
Very. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:06 | |
Unfortunately, Kathleen never met her cousin Peter, | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
but his legacy means not only that she is in line for a windfall, | 0:36:12 | 0:36:17 | |
but maybe she will now get a chance to meet a nephew she never knew existed. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:23 | |
It will be like having someone of my own, which I've never had, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
except for my son and my daughter-in-law. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
Oh, it would be magical. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
It's been a busy couple of days, especially for the travelling heir hunters out on the road. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:40 | |
Their investigations and detective work have been instrumental in solving this case. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:47 | |
'You know,' | 0:36:47 | 0:36:50 | |
it's quite pleasing to know that we've actually now put... | 0:36:50 | 0:36:55 | |
..her in touch with her nephew, her sister's child, | 0:36:55 | 0:37:00 | |
who she'd never known existed. It's fabulous. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:04 | |
Fraser and Fraser have been referred the case of John Ashby | 0:37:16 | 0:37:20 | |
by a neighbour who was worried about the derelict house he lived in. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:25 | |
It's been terrible for a long time, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
but it's getting progressively worse in this bad state. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
One of these days, the whole lot will come down. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
The value of the estate is estimated to be a staggering £500,000 | 0:37:35 | 0:37:40 | |
and comprises not one, but two properties in Birmingham. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:45 | |
It was really a big estate and therefore important for us to trace any of the blood heirs. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:51 | |
Research director Gareth Langford has been leading the team who built up the family tree. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:57 | |
His mother's maiden name, Badham, that's a brilliant surname. We were quite excited about that. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:04 | |
Ashby isn't the best of names, but Badham, that's an amazing name to look up. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:10 | |
A good name can make the difference between solving a case in two years or two hours. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:17 | |
Gareth had hit the jackpot. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
When you have a good surname, it makes things a lot easier. We're looking at a lot less records. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:26 | |
If you had the surname Smith, there's a lot of records. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
Ashby is quite a good surname. Badham is exceptionally good. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
The marriage was in Islington, which was completely out of area, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
but it was the only Ashby-Badham marriage, so we felt sure that was the correct one. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:44 | |
John was the son of Nora Badham and Edgar Ashby. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
The research team already knew that John had a brother, Hugh. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:53 | |
However, he died without having children, so the next port of call was to find uncles or aunts. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:59 | |
With a name like Badham to work with, it wasn't long before Gareth found just what he was looking for. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:06 | |
The next step was to look for the census of the mother. We quickly found that. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:12 | |
She was living with her parents and two siblings. On the 1901 census, they were called Richard and Jack. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:19 | |
Because the surname was so good, Badham, | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
we weren't confused by the names on the census, so that gave us something to work with. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:32 | |
We had a good name. I was quite confident we would get an heir. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
It was just a question of doing the research. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
The office discovered that the Badham children spread across the world in later life, | 0:39:40 | 0:39:46 | |
with Jack eventually passing away in the Bahamas a bachelor. | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
Richard married Doris Courtney in Lewisham before settling in Brighton to have two children, | 0:39:50 | 0:39:56 | |
but despite their adventurous lives, it was never a problem to track them down. | 0:39:56 | 0:40:01 | |
With regard to the research, it was relatively straightforward, even though they moved around. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:07 | |
We didn't miss anything. There was no problem with research. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
So it was quite satisfying. A dream case. Perfect case, really. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:17 | |
One of John's cousins was Trevor Badham. However, he had already passed away. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:22 | |
So Gareth's research led to his two children, Katy and her brother. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:28 | |
They are John's cousins, once removed, and will both inherit a share of John's estate. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:34 | |
I was surprised to get a call from Fraser and Fraser. It's not the sort of thing you expect, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:40 | |
but I was more surprised to find out it was John that hadn't left a valid will, as he was an organised chap. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:47 | |
Katy had met John at many family gatherings, although it was over 10 years since she had seen him last. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:55 | |
I remember John from my youth. He used to come and visit my parents once or twice a year | 0:40:55 | 0:41:01 | |
with his brother, Hugh. They always were wearing a suit and tie and were always a little bit serious. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:07 | |
And they used to come and play bridge with my parents. I remember the two brothers being very, very close. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:14 | |
I never saw one without the other and always think of them as a pair. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:19 | |
Over the years, Katy lost touch with both of the brothers. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
After hearing that John had passed away, she also learned that Hugh had died two years before him. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:31 | |
All of a sudden, it made sense that John did not have a valid will. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:36 | |
I think after John's brother Hugh died, a part of John probably died as well. They were devoted. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:42 | |
So I suppose it doesn't really surprise me that for the last two years of his life, he was a lost soul | 0:41:42 | 0:41:49 | |
and didn't think about that. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
The puzzle of John Ashby's estate has been solved, | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
as the heir hunters have successfully tracked down seven beneficiaries in total. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:02 | |
We're absolutely delighted that we've traced some blood heirs to what is a very large estate. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:08 | |
It's good news all round, I think. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
Now the case is settled, the heirs can attend to the property | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
and John's old neighbours might finally be able to return to a peaceful life. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:22 | |
I'm more than pleased that they've found relatives. At one time I thought they'd never find anybody | 0:42:22 | 0:42:28 | |
and it would go on for years, but happily it's all sorted and I'm more than pleased. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:34 | |
At last we'll be able to get something like normality back and a nice house next door. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:41 | |
If you would like advice about building your family tree or making a will, | 0:42:41 | 0:42:47 | |
go to bbc.co.uk. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:49 | |
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