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Every year, over 12,000 people die without leaving a will and seemingly with no next of kin. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:08 | |
But often, there is a relative who stands to inherit and that's where the Heir Hunters come in. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:14 | |
On today's programme, a woman who had dedicated her time to charity work passes away, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:36 | |
leaving a fortune to the family she hadn't seen since childhood. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:41 | |
She was very shy and I rather imagine this has contributed to losing touch over the years. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:47 | |
And Heir Hunters uncover one of the youngest heirs they've ever found. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
I think, if anything, it's made me realise that money isn't everything. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
It's family. That's the main thing. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
Plus, we'll have details of some of the hundreds of unclaimed estates. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
Could you be in line for a windfall? | 0:01:03 | 0:01:05 | |
In the UK, about two-thirds of people do not have a will | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
and therefore leave no record of their last wishes. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
If they die and leave an estate and an obvious relative can not be found, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
then the money defaults to the government | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
who last year made £18 million in unclaimed estates. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
Heir Hunters must leave no stone unturned | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
and there are over 30 companies competing to find beneficiaries | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
and put them in touch with a fortune they never knew existed. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
With so much money at stake, there's a lot of competition in heir hunting, so time is of the essence. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:47 | |
I have every confidence in the team and I'm sure that we'll triumph in the end. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
Fraser & Fraser have been heir-hunting for 40 years | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
and have handled over £100 million-worth of inheritance in the last ten years alone. | 0:01:55 | 0:02:02 | |
The search for an heir can take them anywhere, so the team must exhaust every line of enquiry | 0:02:02 | 0:02:07 | |
in their hunt for beneficiaries. | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
It's 7am on Thursday morning | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
and at Fraser & Fraser's, work is in full flow. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
The Treasury's weekly list of unclaimed estates has been released, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
so case manager Tony Pledger and the team are assessing which deserve further investigation. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:32 | |
There's one case in particular Neil thinks the team should home in on. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:37 | |
What we're going to be looking at is Margaret Doreen Mooney. Dies in Chingford in 2009. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
It's a valuable estate. The property is going to be worth certainly above £200,000. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:48 | |
So very valuable for us to work. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
It's also here in the south-east, so it's going to be very competitive with a lot of other firms working it, | 0:02:50 | 0:02:56 | |
so we need to pull our finger out. | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
The company have little information to go on, | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
so they use census and birth, death and marriage certificates | 0:03:02 | 0:03:06 | |
to build a family tree for the deceased. Going back generations and generations, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:11 | |
the team hope to uncover potential heirs to an estate. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
Margaret Mooney passed away in Chingford, East London, in July 2009, aged 88. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:26 | |
She left behind an estate worth in excess of £200,000, based on the value of her home. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:34 | |
Having lived in the area since the '60s, Margaret was a well-known, if quiet member of the community. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:43 | |
I live not quite opposite Margaret, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
but we've lived here since 1967 when I first got married. Margaret was living with her sister Hilda then. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:53 | |
They were very different people, different as chalk and cheese. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:57 | |
Hilda was very extrovert and she, from what I can gather, did lots of travelling, | 0:03:57 | 0:04:03 | |
always had her nails manicured and everything like that. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
Margaret was much quieter. They didn't do a lot of things together. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
They did different things on their own, but they shared the house together. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:15 | |
Despite Margaret's sister Hilda passing away ten years ago, | 0:04:15 | 0:04:20 | |
Margaret remained independent and living in the house. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:24 | |
She was a well-composed lady. She went to the hairdresser's regularly. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
She used to go out smartly dressed. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:33 | |
I don't know exactly, but I think she worked at the hospital at Hackney. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:38 | |
She wasn't happy to have to retire at 60. She hadn't been married or had a family and that was her life, really. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:44 | |
On retirement, Margaret was determined to continue leading a full life | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
and began working voluntarily in the tea bar at Whipps Cross Hospital, | 0:04:49 | 0:04:54 | |
a role she enjoyed for over 20 years. | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
The fact that she'd do that into her 80s shows that she liked to be with people and around people. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:03 | |
That probably for her was her social life. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
The kindness Margaret had shown to others throughout her life was later repaid by the local community. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:14 | |
Towards the latter years, she became more frail, so we kept an eye on her | 0:05:14 | 0:05:18 | |
and we used to monitor the fact that she was OK by whether her TV went on of an evening. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:23 | |
-People care about each other round here. -If we see something we don't think is right, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:28 | |
we'll be nosey, I suppose. | 0:05:28 | 0:05:30 | |
But on Margaret's death, it was these same neighbours who bid her a fond farewell | 0:05:30 | 0:05:36 | |
after no next of kin came forward. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:38 | |
We were concerned because she was an old lady on her own that there wouldn't be very much, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:44 | |
-but she had quite a nice send-off. -Yes, she did. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
The funeral fitted the type of person that she was. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
It wasn't fussy, it wasn't over the top. It was just very simple. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
I just remember her as a very independent old lady | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
who always was happy to give you a smile or have a little chat with you. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:04 | |
Back in the Heir Hunters' office, the research is under way. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
With the case seeming to be based initially in Chingford, case manager Tony calls Ewart Lindsay. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:15 | |
-'Hello?' -Hello, cheerful! I want you to slip over to Chingford. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
Throughout the UK, Frasers have a team of researchers on standby | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
who are able to hit the road at a moment's notice. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
Their job is to find vital clues and information on the case | 0:06:30 | 0:06:34 | |
and eventually sign up the rightful heirs. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:37 | |
They have to work fast as a rival company is never far behind, | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
so there's no room for error. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
-Pleased to meet you. -Ewart Lindsay is one of Frasers' travelling Heir Hunters and is based in Watford, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:50 | |
so Tony has sent him to Margaret's house in Chingford to see if he can gauge a value for the property | 0:06:50 | 0:06:56 | |
and to see if the neighbours might be able to offer any clues about her background. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:02 | |
In the office, Tony and Jo are working on the father's side of the tree | 0:07:07 | 0:07:12 | |
and seem to be making some headway. | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
The Mooney name is quite good and they're based in and around Hackney and that sort of area, | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
so it's been quite easy to identify at the moment. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:24 | |
Jo has got aunts on the father's side | 0:07:24 | 0:07:27 | |
and therefore the father of the deceased might have three sisters | 0:07:27 | 0:07:32 | |
who might go on to produce children, but we don't know yet. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
On the other side of the tree, the mother's side, | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
the name the team are working on is frighteningly familiar. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:47 | |
The surname we're looking at is Fraser, so it's a nightmare! She's Edith Mary Fraser. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:53 | |
I believe this is an aunt of the deceased, but I don't know that. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:57 | |
All we know at the moment is she's born in 1876 in Mile End | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
and she's alive in 1891 as a spinster which, bearing in mind she'd be 15, is no surprise. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
Other than that, I can't find a marriage for her and I can't find her on the census after '91. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:13 | |
So I've run around in circles, really. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
Alongside case manager Simon Grosvenor is senior researcher Gareth. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:22 | |
He's finding his investigations no easier. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:26 | |
On the maternal side, we've got three aunts and uncles - | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
Alexander, Edith and Albert. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
Alexander and Albert, reasonably good names, but as yet, I can't find them on the census. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:39 | |
I've got them all single, but I haven't got them later on with their partners. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
It could be that they don't marry or don't do anything, but... | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
I'd like to say it was going brilliantly, but they all seem to disappear | 0:08:48 | 0:08:53 | |
and I'm not sure why yet. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
So far, the office has discovered that John Fraser married Louisa Brown and they had four children. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:03 | |
They have found records showing that one of these children, Alice, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
married James Mooney and had a daughter Margaret. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
But what happened to the other Fraser children? Did they too have families of their own? | 0:09:11 | 0:09:17 | |
-Edith Mary Fraser... -Meanwhile, Simon thinks he may have got a result on Edith, Margaret's aunt. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:23 | |
I couldn't find a marriage for her, then we got some info that a couple of them had died | 0:09:23 | 0:09:29 | |
and there's a death for an Edith Mary Fraser in Bethnal Green which is right on age, in 1900, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:34 | |
which is just before the '01 census which she is not on. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
That looks as if she's her. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
A few miles away in Chingford, Ewart has arrived at the deceased Margaret's house. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:48 | |
Let's see what the neighbours can actually tell me about the deceased. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:53 | |
-Good morning. I'm just making some enquiries into your neighbour who passed away. -Yes. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:58 | |
-Did you know much about her? -No. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:01 | |
I just said this morning that no-one came to visit her. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:06 | |
-She just used to go out to the hairdresser's and that's all we ever saw of her really. -Right. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:12 | |
As far as we know, she didn't have any relations. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
How much is this property worth, do you think? | 0:10:16 | 0:10:19 | |
That one is probably worth £250,000, something like that. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
Thank you very much for your help. Take care. All the best. Take care. Bye-bye. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:30 | |
We never saw any family. The last one was her sister who died quite a few years ago. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:35 | |
Very sad. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:37 | |
Back in the office, on the father's side of the tree, Tony and Jo are racing ahead. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:53 | |
We found out from a neighbour of the deceased that she had a sister who died about ten years ago. | 0:10:54 | 0:11:01 | |
We researched into that and we found out her name was Hilda Edith Mooney. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
She died ten years ago. We don't think there is any more near kin, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
so that's why we're going back to cousins. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
We've got an aunt of the deceased who might marry Ernest Benjamin Wyatt. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:17 | |
From that marriage, there are two children, potential cousins of the deceased - | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
Harold Ernest Wyatt and Daisy Elizabeth Wyatt. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
We've got three potential marriages for Daisy Elizabeth Wyatt, all of which, either or none may be right. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:32 | |
Harold Ernest Wyatt, potential cousin of the deceased, | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
would seem to have been born in Walthamstow, but probably died in Plymouth in 1979. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:41 | |
Elizabeth Mooney, aunt of Margaret, | 0:11:43 | 0:11:46 | |
married and had two children, Daisy and Harold, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
but did they go on to have children themselves? | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
Elizabeth's sister Caroline had one daughter, Kathleen. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
All this research poses as many questions as it does answers, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:03 | |
but it has thrown up a potential heir and Tony has her on the phone. | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
We couldn't find any brothers or sisters. You're an only child. Good. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:13 | |
Your mum would have had some sisters, I think. She had two sisters, Sarah and Elizabeth. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:19 | |
And a brother, perhaps James, I think. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:22 | |
Was that just the four of them in the family? | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
What was Winifred's married name then? | 0:12:27 | 0:12:30 | |
Bishop. Right. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
And this son that's still alive, would you know his name? | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
Oh, good. That's a good name. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
Thanks ever so. Bye. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
I've just put the phone down on a paternal cousin of the deceased, Kathleen Cutting. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:49 | |
She's got a good family knowledge. She knew the deceased. Hadn't seen her for years, as you don't. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:55 | |
And she also confirmed her other two aunts, one of whom had four children | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
and one of whom died without any issue. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:02 | |
It looks like there's going to be eight heirs on the father's side. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
There's enough heirs to make it worth our while. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
Tony's call to Kathleen has been really useful. | 0:13:10 | 0:13:14 | |
She has been able to confirm that her aunt, Elizabeth Mooney, had two more children. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:20 | |
This adds two more cousins to Margaret's tree. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:23 | |
Kathleen's phone call has also revealed the names of seven of her cousins once removed. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:30 | |
If they are still alive, then they would be heirs. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
If they have died, then any children they had would inherit. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
It's looking like there's a lot of work for the Heir Hunters to do. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:46 | |
Having made such headway by only 9.25am, Tony feels he deserves a break. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:57 | |
I'll get a cup of tea. I'm waiting for... | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
-'Tony, I've Bob Barratt for you.' -I'm going to ask Bob Barratt to go round and interview Mrs Cutting. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:07 | |
Hello? | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
Hi, Bob. Listen, how long to Maidenhead, do you think? | 0:14:09 | 0:14:13 | |
-Um... I don't know, half an hour or so? -That's good. Right, OK. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:18 | |
They've obviously been doing their work in the office very diligently. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
It's only half past nine and they've already found an heir, so that's pretty good going. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:30 | |
Hello...? | 0:14:33 | 0:14:35 | |
Coming up on Heir Hunters - | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
Tony calls for reinforcements in his bid to sign up all the heirs ahead of the competition. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:43 | |
And a visit from Bob Barratt stirs up memories of family members not seen for decades. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:48 | |
I've lost touch with a lot of my relatives because I'm an old person. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:54 | |
I haven't seen Margaret for years. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
I was rather surprised that there should be any connection at all. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:01 | |
Heir Hunters can be found all over the UK | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
and the search for a rightful beneficiary can take them anywhere. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:14 | |
Celtic Research is run by Peter and Hector Birchwood from their offices in Wales and London | 0:15:14 | 0:15:20 | |
and their regional case managers work from home. Saul Marks is based in Liverpool. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:25 | |
-PHONE RINGS -Good afternoon, Celtic Research? | 0:15:25 | 0:15:29 | |
Saul had to work fast on the case of Olive Sonntag as it had a high value estate. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:34 | |
I will get the file out. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
Thankfully, it was relatively easy to solve. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
From the time that it got to me when the case opened | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
to the time that we signed the main heir was about 14 hours, so it was one of the quicker ones. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:49 | |
Though the investigation was quickly put to bed, it left a lasting impression on those involved. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:56 | |
I think, if anything, it's made me realise that money isn't everything. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
It's family. That's the main thing. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:03 | |
Olive Sonntag died in 2008 in a care home on the Isle of Wight, aged 84. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:13 | |
She left behind an estate worth an estimated £130,000, | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
but no will. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
Olive married Charles Sonntag, a photographer, in 1956. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:25 | |
Their partnership lasted more than 30 years, but they had no children. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
After Charles died in 1989, Olive lived alone for ten years, | 0:16:29 | 0:16:34 | |
after which she developed dementia. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
When she could no longer manage on her own, she was moved into a nursing home | 0:16:37 | 0:16:42 | |
where she spent the final years of her life. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:46 | |
The sad thing with Olly being here was that nobody came to visit her. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
She had no relatives and it just made it so sad. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
But it's a family home, so we treated her like part of the family. | 0:16:54 | 0:16:58 | |
She did tell me she had a sister. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
But I said to her, "Where is she?" She said, "I don't know. We lost touch an awful long time ago." | 0:17:01 | 0:17:07 | |
That was the only reference she made to any family. | 0:17:07 | 0:17:11 | |
As fate would have it, Olive was able to be buried with her husband Charles | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
who had died 20 years before her. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
I found her husband's grave when I went to another lady's funeral. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:23 | |
I thought, "We've found Olive's husband's grave - Charlie!" | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
So we were able to have her buried with him which was really nice. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:32 | |
-It finished it right for Olly that she was back with Charlie. -Yeah. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:37 | |
That was lovely. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:40 | |
Having left behind an estate worth an estimated £130,000, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
the case was a potentially lucrative one, | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
so Saul would have to work fast to crack it. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
We knew that Olive was living on the Isle of Wight when she died. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
We were able to find her marriage certificate and her maiden name was Kevan. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:03 | |
From that, we were able to look for an Olive Kevan birth | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
and found her birth near here in Birkenhead. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
And from there, we were able to look for siblings. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:14 | |
We found a brother Norman who died when he was very young | 0:18:14 | 0:18:18 | |
and we also found a sister called Doreen. | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
We could then look for children of Doreen and that was the avenue we researched next. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:27 | |
Ernest Kevan married Catherine Bennett and they had three children, Olive, Norman and Doreen. | 0:18:28 | 0:18:34 | |
Norman died as a child, but Doreen married and had three children - | 0:18:34 | 0:18:39 | |
Jannette, Martin and Suzanne. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
As Olive had no children, Jannette, Martin and Suzanne would be heirs. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
Martin was married twice, but sadly he died very young. He was only 43. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:53 | |
But he had had several children | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
and we were able to establish that one of them was still living very close by and that was Cassie. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:02 | |
It was my job to get over to where Cassie lived and sign her up on behalf of the company. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:07 | |
Saul pulled up and he said, "Are you Cassandra Connolly?" | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
I said, "Yeah." He said, "Was your father Martin Connolly, deceased?" I said, "Yeah." | 0:19:11 | 0:19:17 | |
He said, "We need to go inside and have a talk. You might be about to inherit a lot of money." | 0:19:17 | 0:19:22 | |
The colour just drained from my face. I was shaking. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
One company had visited her before and left a calling card. | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
And while I was there, another company, a third company had knocked at the door | 0:19:29 | 0:19:35 | |
and she was able to tell them | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
that she had already signed with Celtic Research and she no longer needed their services, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:43 | |
so it was very exciting in terms of the competition aspect. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:47 | |
20-year-old Cassie Connolly lives in Liverpool with her mother and is studying to be a tattoo artist. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:57 | |
Her father Martin, Olive's nephew, died of a heart attack in his early 40s. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
My dad died when I was ten and my mum got divorced when I was eight. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:07 | |
So he obviously moved out, he had his own house. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
I used to spend Tuesdays and Wednesdays and weekends with him. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
I remember we had the same dinner every Tuesday - | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
macaroni cheese with Sunny Delight. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:20 | |
And I'd sit and watch Buffy in his little flat. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
When he died, it was completely unexpected. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:28 | |
I just went to bed one night, I was staying at his house. We had spent the night watching DVDs. | 0:20:28 | 0:20:34 | |
So I went to bed and when I woke up, my mum was there. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:38 | |
I was confused instantly anyway. | 0:20:38 | 0:20:40 | |
And she said my dad took ill in the night and he'd died, he had a heart attack. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:47 | |
And that was it. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:51 | |
It was a complete shock. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:53 | |
My body went into shock. I was ill for the next couple of months. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:57 | |
It was hard to deal with, being so young. I didn't know how to handle it. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:02 | |
The memories I've got of my dad is the big friendly giant he was. | 0:21:06 | 0:21:11 | |
He was over six foot tall. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
And I always remember having to run | 0:21:13 | 0:21:16 | |
to keep up with his strides when we were walking down the street. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
I've just got the memories any kid will have of their dad really, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:26 | |
him looking after me and... | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
The big friendly giant, that's it. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:31 | |
After Martin died, Cassie had very little knowledge of her father's side of the family | 0:21:31 | 0:21:37 | |
and so news of Olive was surprising. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
It was a bit of a shock to find out that I had a great-auntie I knew nothing about. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:45 | |
It was quite sad as well that I only got to learn of her existence because she had died. | 0:21:45 | 0:21:51 | |
I would have liked to have known Olive when she was alive to find out about my nan | 0:21:51 | 0:21:57 | |
and maybe more about my dad if she knew anything. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
So it was... It was bittersweet really. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:04 | |
Coming up - Cassie decides to pay her respects to Olive in person | 0:22:04 | 0:22:09 | |
and visits the home where she spent her final years. | 0:22:09 | 0:22:13 | |
-That's her at home in her house. -Aw! -With her dog. She was still quite beautiful. -Yeah. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:18 | |
For every case that is cracked, there are still many thousands which remain a mystery. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:31 | |
These cases sit on the Treasury's unsolved list and can remain there for up to 30 years. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:37 | |
The estates can range wildly in value from £5,000 to many millions | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
with the rightful heirs completely unaware of the windfall they could claim. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:46 | |
Today, we've got two cases Heir Hunters have so far failed to solve. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:53 | |
Could you have the answer? Could you be in line to inherit? | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
Joyce Lily Anthony passed away in February 1999 in Hackney, London. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:03 | |
In the decade since Joyce died, nobody has come forward as her next of kin. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:08 | |
Did you know her? Could you be entitled to her estate? | 0:23:08 | 0:23:13 | |
Elizabeth Barbara Mountjoy Erroll died in South Strand, East Preston in September 2000. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:20 | |
Did you know Elizabeth? Could you be in line to inherit her estate? | 0:23:20 | 0:23:25 | |
Back in London, the Frasers team are tracing heirs to the estate of Margaret Mooney | 0:23:39 | 0:23:44 | |
who passed away in Chingford in 2008, leaving behind an estimated £200,000. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:50 | |
So far, the team have established from neighbours | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
that Margaret died with no living near kin. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:57 | |
Her father's side of the tree has been relatively easy to solve and revealed Margaret had three aunts. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:04 | |
Travelling Heir Hunter Ewart Lindsay has made enquiries with neighbours into Margaret's background. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:10 | |
Good morning. I'm making some enquiries into your neighbour who passed away. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
And Bob Barratt is on his way to visit a potential cousin of the deceased in Berkshire. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:21 | |
Although Margaret was shy, she never hesitated to offer her assistance to those in need | 0:24:21 | 0:24:28 | |
and showed a continued commitment to voluntary work and charity until the end of her life. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:34 | |
Margaret was awarded one of the long service medals we give out to people | 0:24:34 | 0:24:39 | |
and this is to celebrate the fact that they have shown so many years of dedication. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
It's not just that they have signed up for that, but they have turned up for duty day after day. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:50 | |
We're very proud of those people. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:52 | |
In addition to donating her time to charity, | 0:24:52 | 0:24:56 | |
Margaret also donated a lot of money to one of her favourite causes. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
She had a plaque on the wall from the Lifeboat Association. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
She wouldn't brag about it at all. If she wanted to give a donation to people, she obviously just did it. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:10 | |
After Margaret died, the neighbours decided to follow her lead and donate some money in her memory. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:17 | |
We made a list. I'm very much into lists. We made a list of everybody to knock on. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:22 | |
And everybody that we knocked wanted to donate | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
and quite a number of them wanted to come to the funeral as well. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
So in the end, we got enough money to put a very nice floral tribute for the top of the coffin | 0:25:30 | 0:25:37 | |
and a donation of £60 to the Whipps Cross Connaught Day Centre | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
and £60 to Lifeboats. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
So I think we did quite well really. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
Over two hours after research began, Gareth and his colleagues are still struggling | 0:25:52 | 0:25:57 | |
with the maternal side and the name they are researching is Fraser. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:02 | |
We're getting a bit competitive in the company | 0:26:02 | 0:26:05 | |
because Jo has got her side up to date, | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
whereas we - and there's five of us working on this side - have got absolutely nowhere. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:14 | |
So Jo's beaten us, basically. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:19 | |
I think she just got lucky. We've clearly got the harder side of the job. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:24 | |
I mean, Fraser is a terrible name to work. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
There goes my bonus! | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
What Gareth has managed to uncover is that Margaret's mother Alice Fraser had three siblings - | 0:26:31 | 0:26:37 | |
Alexander John, Edith and Albert. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:40 | |
He knows Edith died before 1911, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:43 | |
but what happened to Alexander and Albert? | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
According to a census, Gareth knows one of the brothers also died before 1911, but which one? | 0:26:46 | 0:26:52 | |
So we've got one outstanding who might have children, | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
but it's one stem we can't find at the moment, so it doesn't help. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:02 | |
Another clue from the census research is that John Fraser, Margaret's grandfather, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:08 | |
worked in the tea trade during the early part of the 20th century, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
a highly lucrative industry at this time. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:15 | |
It was a very, very busy life | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
and an incredibly dynamic trade. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
Tea was pouring into Britain from all over the Empire. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
We would have had thousands of small and medium-sized tea businesses, all prospering, | 0:27:23 | 0:27:29 | |
because in John Fraser's time all the tea that was sold in the world was auctioned in London. | 0:27:29 | 0:27:35 | |
I suppose from a social point of view, as a tea merchant, | 0:27:35 | 0:27:39 | |
John Fraser would be in the upper echelons of the commercial world. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
So they would be in the same social category as bankers and headmasters, headmistresses, etcetera. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:50 | |
They would definitely be highly regarded | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
because it was a very skilled and experienced trade. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
It was a very secure business and tea, of course, was Britain's favourite beverage by a mile. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:05 | |
In fact, at that time, about 50% of the fluid that we took on a daily basis was tea. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:13 | |
In Chingford, Ewart is keen to report back on what he has learnt from the neighbours. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:21 | |
Tony Pledger, please... | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
But Tony has more pressing issues to deal with, like his 9.45am cake break. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:31 | |
I hate when they do this. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
DIALLING TONE | 0:28:36 | 0:28:38 | |
MOBILE PHONE RINGS | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
-Hello? -Hello, Ewart. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:45 | |
Tony needs Ewart to head over to Southgate to meet a cousin once removed to Margaret. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:51 | |
There doesn't appear to be any competition on this job. I can't believe it. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:58 | |
It's worth a bit of money. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:00 | |
While Ewart makes his way over to Southgate, Bob Barratt has arrived at Kathleen Cutting's house, | 0:29:00 | 0:29:07 | |
a paternal cousin of Margaret's, for an interview. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
What I'd like to do, if you are in agreement, is a family questionnaire. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:14 | |
-How many children were there from your parents' marriage? -Just me. One. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:19 | |
-And to your knowledge, were either of your parents married more than once? -No. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:24 | |
No, they weren't. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:26 | |
-And your mother's maiden name? -Mooney. Mabel Mooney. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:31 | |
-Mabel? -Yes. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:33 | |
-That's a museum name. -It is, isn't it? | 0:29:33 | 0:29:37 | |
Kathleen has verified everything she told Tony on the phone earlier. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
Bob will leave paperwork with her to look over. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
And recounting her family history has stirred up memories of Margaret for Kathleen. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
Well, I knew her when we were both little girls. She was a little bit older than I am. She was very shy. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:56 | |
I imagine this has contributed to losing touch over the years. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
When my uncle died, we really lost contact completely. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:05 | |
With much of the father's side of the tree solved, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
the team working on the mother's side have been desperate for a breakthrough. Finally, it's arrived! | 0:30:13 | 0:30:19 | |
Frances has identified the marriage of Albert Edward Fraser and Jenny Henderson Clark | 0:30:19 | 0:30:27 | |
in Winnipeg in Manitoba, | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
which occurred on the 3rd of December, 1919. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
We have an agent in Canada. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:35 | |
He might be able to do something, | 0:30:35 | 0:30:38 | |
but it's not helpful. | 0:30:38 | 0:30:41 | |
And Tony has his second heir of the day on the phone - Michael, son of Daisy Wyatt. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:48 | |
We think that you would be entitled, as would be your siblings. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
I understand that Donald, | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
I think he might have passed away in Colchester about ten years ago or so. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:59 | |
Was he married to somebody called Margaret, do you know? | 0:30:59 | 0:31:04 | |
Primrose, oh. Did they have children? That's the most important thing. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:09 | |
Two boys, right. And would you be in touch with them at all? No? | 0:31:09 | 0:31:14 | |
Michael has filled in some more of the tree. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:19 | |
He confirmed that his brother Donald married and had two children who would be heirs. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:24 | |
He also informs Tony of his sisters Joyce and Peggy. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
Both of them had children who would now be heirs. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
His information is further filling out what is already a very crowded family tree. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:37 | |
Tony needs to send a travelling Heir Hunter to interview Michael as soon as possible. | 0:31:37 | 0:31:43 | |
-'Tony, I've got Bob Barratt on 608 for you.' -Thanks. Bye. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
What's happening? I've got no idea. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
Bob Barratt, 608. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:52 | |
-Tony! -What? -What number is that phone? -452. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
I haven't got a tree here. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
Hello? | 0:32:03 | 0:32:05 | |
-Hi, Tony. Right, I've just been to see Mrs Cutting. -Yeah. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
Her son told her not to sign anything until he'd seen it, | 0:32:09 | 0:32:13 | |
-so I've left her agreements... -'As you would, yeah.' | 0:32:13 | 0:32:17 | |
-I've got Bob Smith doing nothing. -Have you? -N1 North. -N1 North? | 0:32:17 | 0:32:21 | |
'Tell him... | 0:32:21 | 0:32:23 | |
'Is that Bob Smith?' | 0:32:23 | 0:32:26 | |
-Go to Wisbech. I'll catch him in a minute. -No worries. | 0:32:26 | 0:32:29 | |
Er, Dave, Bob...? | 0:32:29 | 0:32:32 | |
Yeah, what day is it(?) | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
I think it's probably "pull over, have a cup of tea and regroup" time. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:38 | |
-OK. I'll wait to hear from you then. -Thanks, mate. Bye. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:43 | |
With Tony not knowing whether he's coming or going, | 0:32:44 | 0:32:48 | |
one thing that is for sure is that Bob Smith is on the road. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
On such a high value case, there's no time to lose, so Bob has been called in for reinforcement. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:57 | |
He's being sent to see Michael in Cambridgeshire. | 0:32:57 | 0:33:02 | |
Meanwhile, Ewart has been sent to see Anthony, a paternal cousin once removed to Margaret, | 0:33:02 | 0:33:08 | |
and arranged a meeting for a few days' time. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
With Michael's revelation about Antonia, a paternal cousin twice removed to Margaret, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:17 | |
Ewart is sent to her home immediately. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:20 | |
Bob Smith will be going somewhere, yes. To Wisbech, I think. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:25 | |
And we've got... Ewart is popping down to N8. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:29 | |
And we've got somebody else, I can't remember what his name is, he's having a cup of tea. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:35 | |
So we're coming along. We're nearly there. | 0:33:35 | 0:33:39 | |
Finally, Gareth has an answer on the fate of Alexander John, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
uncle of Margaret Mooney on her mother's side. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
We've just had the death of Alexander Fraser phoned through. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
Alexander John Fraser died as John Alexander, a police constable. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:55 | |
He was 38 when he died, so that's quite a lot of scope for him to have got married. | 0:33:55 | 0:34:00 | |
We think he was single because we can't find a good marriage for him. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:04 | |
We've just got the death certificate and we know that he died on the 19th of October, 1910. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:10 | |
The informant is just a coroner and the reason for that is because he committed suicide. | 0:34:10 | 0:34:16 | |
He drowned in the River Lee. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
So it hasn't got us huge amounts further, but we do know a bit more about him now which is good. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:24 | |
Gareth and the team can put Margaret's mother's side of the family on hold | 0:34:24 | 0:34:29 | |
and wait to see if Canadian enquiries offer any further leads in a few days' time. | 0:34:29 | 0:34:35 | |
In the meantime, Ewart has arrived at an heir's house in North London, | 0:34:35 | 0:34:40 | |
but unfortunately, she is too ill for a meeting today, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
so Frasers will have to write to her instead. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:47 | |
Meanwhile, Bob Barratt is on his way to Newmarket to see another potential heir. | 0:34:47 | 0:34:53 | |
And Bob Smith has arrived at the home of Michael, a paternal cousin once removed to Margaret, | 0:34:53 | 0:35:00 | |
and more importantly, another heir. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
Hello, Mr Wood? I'm Robert Smith from Fraser & Fraser. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
A relation going back through your grandmother's family has died without making a will. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:12 | |
-If I could start with your full birth name? -Michael Leslie Richard. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
I think my family all wanted to have a little piece of the action when they named me. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:24 | |
-And the little 'un? -That's Paddy, my daughter's son. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
Now, how many children from your parents' marriage? | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
-My eldest sister Peggy. -Yeah. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
My second sister Joyce who's died. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:37 | |
-I don't know what's happened to Peggy. She's disappeared. -Oh, right. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:41 | |
I think the last time I knew of Peggy, she was living in Shoreham. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:46 | |
-But that was years ago. -Right. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:48 | |
-So there was Joycey. -Yeah. -And Donald. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
-The eldest you say was Peggy? Is that right? -Yes. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:55 | |
-Now, any children at all? -Just Lynn and Ian from the second marriage. | 0:35:55 | 0:36:01 | |
Hello! Are you OK? | 0:36:02 | 0:36:04 | |
He's strong, isn't he? | 0:36:04 | 0:36:07 | |
-Yeah. -Eh? | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
Michael's knowledge of his family has filled in more information on the tree, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:14 | |
so Frasers will help him make a claim to the estate. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
It was a surprise when the call came this morning. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:21 | |
It's too early for me to say I've got plans because I wouldn't know. | 0:36:21 | 0:36:25 | |
I'll wait and see if anything happens. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:27 | |
And I'm sure my family, if there was anything of any size, | 0:36:27 | 0:36:32 | |
would be more than willing to help me decide how to spend it. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:36 | |
That was a very nice interview | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
with a very lovely gentleman and his wife and a grandson. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:43 | |
I'm confident we'll get the contract. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
38 miles away, Bob Barratt has arrived in Newmarket, | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
but after a long drive, the heir doesn't seem to be at home, so Bob calls on a neighbour. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:58 | |
-He works irregular hours. -Oh, right. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
Bob decides to leave a note to let the heir know he called. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:06 | |
Back in the office, spirits are high. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
It's half past two in the afternoon | 0:37:12 | 0:37:14 | |
and I'm pleased to say that through diligent research on behalf of my colleagues, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:20 | |
this case appears to be finished. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
Only about eight heirs, I think. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
We spoke to the majority of people, we visited most of them as well. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
It seems to be going fairly well, I'm pleased to say. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:33 | |
When the case finally closed, the company managed to sign up nine heirs, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:39 | |
all on the father's side of the family, having beaten competition from rival firms. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:44 | |
These beneficiaries will share in Margaret's £200,000 estate. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
Saul at Celtic Research has been investigating the estate of Olive Sonntag | 0:37:57 | 0:38:03 | |
who died in 2008, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:05 | |
leaving behind an estimated £130,000. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
One of the five heirs to the estate, 20-year-old Cassie Connolly, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
has only just learned of the existence of her great aunt. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
I would like to have known Olive when she was alive to find out about my nan and maybe more about my dad | 0:38:18 | 0:38:24 | |
if she knew anything. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
As Saul's research into the family continued, he has been able to bring Olive's past to life for Cassie. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:33 | |
This is Olive with an aeroplane. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:36 | |
Jan writes, "I don't think Olive owns this plane!" | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
I wonder if she flew it? You never know. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
It would make sense that that's your dad. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:47 | |
It's just nice thinking of it as him. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:50 | |
-It's nice to look at him. -You've never seen any of him at that sort of age? -No. Never. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:56 | |
-It certainly makes sense that it's him. Definitely. -Yeah. | 0:38:56 | 0:39:00 | |
-That does look like Doreen. -Yeah. | 0:39:00 | 0:39:03 | |
With the revelation of family members she never knew she had, | 0:39:04 | 0:39:08 | |
Cassie felt compelled to pay her respects to Olive | 0:39:08 | 0:39:12 | |
and decided to journey to the Isle of Wight, accompanied by her boyfriend Jake. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:17 | |
I think it's a good idea going to the Isle of Wight, actually. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:21 | |
If you're inheriting money off a family member, | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
it's obviously disrespectful not to go and find out more. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:29 | |
It gives her a chance to search more into her family background as well. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:33 | |
Cassie and Jake have an appointment with Daphne from Whiteley Bank House | 0:39:43 | 0:39:49 | |
where Olive spent the last few years of her life. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:52 | |
Today is important because I'm getting to find out about a relative I didn't know I had. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:58 | |
I'm hoping to find out more about my dad and that side of the family. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
I'm just about to find out now and I'm excited. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
As Olive seemingly had no next of kin, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
all her possessions and memories have been kept safe by the care home. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:14 | |
See? "Next of kin"? And we've found you! | 0:40:14 | 0:40:17 | |
-She's like a film star, isn't she? -Yeah. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
You can see how beautiful she was. She was lovely. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:26 | |
-Oh, wow! -And this is when she was older, look. | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
-She was still beautiful then. -Yeah. | 0:40:31 | 0:40:34 | |
This... The pictures that Saul showed me that Jan, my auntie from America, sent over... | 0:40:34 | 0:40:40 | |
This resembles her a lot when she was a kid. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
And that looks like my dad. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
So I think that might have been my dad when he was younger. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:52 | |
-Is he still alive? -No, he died ten years ago nearly. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:57 | |
-Yeah? -It's coming up to ten years in January. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
-Crikey! He couldn't have been very old. -No, he was 42 when he died. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:05 | |
-That's my dad. -Hmm. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:08 | |
I think so. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:10 | |
Coming here, the whole situation being made so much more of a reality to me, | 0:41:12 | 0:41:18 | |
I want to go and see where Olive was buried. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:22 | |
I felt like I've just dealt with the whole...family member dying, | 0:41:23 | 0:41:28 | |
so maybe a bit of closure. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:31 | |
I think that's... It's happened in such a short time. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
But it's sad, so I want to go and see where she was buried. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:40 | |
Olive was buried in the Isle of Wight beside her husband Charles. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:51 | |
-Shall we put them in...? -Yeah. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:54 | |
'I'm just really glad that I've been given the opportunity | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
'to do everything I've been able to do | 0:42:04 | 0:42:09 | |
'and learn of a new family member and come and say goodbye to her, really.' | 0:42:09 | 0:42:14 | |
Me and Jake spoke about it. I'll come back at least once a year and put some flowers at her graveside. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:21 | |
I'm just really happy and sad at the same time. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
I'm glad I got to come and do this and I'm glad she's buried with Charles as well. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:30 | |
It's really lovely. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
If you would like advice about building your family tree or making a will, | 0:42:48 | 0:42:54 | |
go to: bbc.co.uk | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
Subtitles by Subtext for Red Bee Media Ltd 2010 | 0:43:17 | 0:43:21 | |
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