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'Every year, thousands die without leaving a will | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
'and, seemingly, with no next of kin. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:08 | |
'But often a relative stands to inherit, | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
'and that's where the heir hunters come in. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
'On today's programme, Dave Pacifico tracks down an unsuspecting heir | 0:00:32 | 0:00:37 | |
'and gives him quite a surprise.' | 0:00:37 | 0:00:40 | |
The call came completely out of the blue. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:43 | |
I was, to use a phrase, completely gob-smacked. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
'And a family is amazed that they had an inventor for a relative, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:52 | |
'who spent his life searching for that eureka moment.' | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
Down in his cellar, it was made like a little workshop, | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
full of little models of things he'd invented. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:03 | |
'Plus, details of some of the hundreds of unclaimed estates. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
'Could you be in line for a windfall? | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
'In the UK, about two-thirds of people do not have a will | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
'and, therefore, no record of their last wishes. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
'If they die and an obvious relative cannot be found, | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
'then their money defaults to the government | 0:01:23 | 0:01:27 | |
'who, last year, made £18 million in unclaimed estates. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
'Heir hunters must leave no stone unturned. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
'There are over 30 companies competing to find beneficiaries | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
'of the fortune they never knew existed. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
'With so much money at stake, there's a lot of competition | 0:01:42 | 0:01:47 | |
'so time is of the essence.' | 0:01:47 | 0:01:49 | |
We've every confidence in the team and I'm sure that we will triumph! | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
'Fraser and Fraser are one of the oldest heir hunting companies | 0:01:57 | 0:02:01 | |
'and have handled £100 million of inheritance in the last ten years. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:07 | |
'Run by Neil, Charles and Andrew Fraser, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:10 | |
'the company employs dozens of researchers, | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
'all keen to be the first to sign up an heir | 0:02:13 | 0:02:17 | |
'and solve the case as fast as possible. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
'It's Friday morning and work at Fraser and Fraser is under way. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
'Yesterday, the Treasury released its list of unclaimed estates. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:31 | |
'Although a lot of cases have been started, | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
'some less valuable, but no less challenging, ones are waiting to be cracked. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:40 | |
'Case manager David Pacifico is looking into one such case.' | 0:02:40 | 0:02:44 | |
Today's case we're looking at is Ruth Perkins, formally Logan. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
She died in 2008 in Northampton. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:57 | |
We think it could be worth £30,000 and if so, worth looking into. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
'The company has little information so they use census and birth, death and marriage certificates | 0:03:04 | 0:03:10 | |
'to build a family tree. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
'Generation by generation, | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
'the team hopes to uncover potential heirs to an estate. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:20 | |
'Ruth Vera Joyce Perkins died in February 2008 in Northampton, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:30 | |
'leaving behind an estate worth an estimated £30,000, but no will. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:37 | |
'Ruth was known to friends as Joyce. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:39 | |
'She married Raymond Perkins in July 1947 in Northampton. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
'They were together for 51 years until Raymond died in 1998. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:48 | |
'The couple had no children. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:50 | |
'Towards the end of her life, Joyce moved into sheltered accommodation and lived there for five years. | 0:03:50 | 0:03:58 | |
'Mary Spillane, the warden, became a good friend of Joyce's.' | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
Joyce was a very lovely lady, really independent. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:07 | |
Very social lady. She loved going on holiday. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
A couple of times a year - when she could afford it, I think. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:15 | |
Joyce was a lady that you'd feel... | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
I looked on her as part of my family. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
She lived just across the way there. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:25 | |
I'd pop round, even when I wasn't working, to see how she was. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:30 | |
'As Joyce entered her final years it seems she was aware that she would be leaving an estate, | 0:04:30 | 0:04:36 | |
'but not naming anyone as a beneficiary. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:40 | |
'Mary recalls how Joyce asked for her help.' | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
Joyce made me very aware that she didn't have immediate family. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:48 | |
She was chatting one evening with me and said, | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
you know, would I like to inherit and look after her. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
I didn't know at the time that she did have any money, the lady. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:01 | |
But from my experience, over the years, I declined. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
But I did visit her on several occasions at her private place. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:10 | |
She was very settled there. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
'After Mary was unable to help, and despite earlier intentions, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
'Joyce took the decision to not make a will. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
'After only meeting in the final years of Joyce's life, her friendship made an impact on Mary.' | 0:05:19 | 0:05:27 | |
I will remember Joyce as an exceptionally lovely lady, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
a real English lady. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
'Back in London, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
'David Pacifico is leading the investigation and feels the team has got off to a strong start. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:47 | |
'Joyce's mother's name is offering them some leads.' | 0:05:47 | 0:05:51 | |
Perkins is coming along. We've identified the mother's death. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
She died unmarried in Northampton when she was 90. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
We crossed checked it to her birth and she was born in Mile End, 1888. | 0:05:59 | 0:06:04 | |
The census shows that she was one of three children. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:09 | |
She's got two siblings and the question arises, did the siblings have any children themselves? | 0:06:09 | 0:06:16 | |
Hopefully, one of them did, so we may have cousins. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
'William Logan married Ruth Cushion and they had three children - | 0:06:19 | 0:06:25 | |
'Ruth, William and Ethel. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
'Ruth had a daughter, our deceased, Joyce. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
'Did Joyce's aunt and uncle have children of their own? | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
'It looks as though the mother's side will produce the only leads, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
'as Joyce was born illegitimately.' | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
We can't investigate the father. | 0:06:45 | 0:06:48 | |
No father's name is on the birth certificate of the deceased, | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
or, for that matter, on her marriage certificate. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
We can only search the mother's side of the family. | 0:06:56 | 0:07:00 | |
If her siblings didn't get married or have surviving descendents, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:05 | |
this could be a dead case. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
'Senior researcher Alan has made a breakthrough in investigating Joyce's aunt and uncle. | 0:07:08 | 0:07:15 | |
'It's not the news David was hoping for.' | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
-March 1983, Northampton. Spinster. -Oh. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
Well that's... The aunt has died a spinster in Northampton. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
Which means we may be down to just the uncle. | 0:07:29 | 0:07:34 | |
It's not so good news now. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:36 | |
We've eliminated, it looks like, one branch of the family. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:41 | |
Unless the uncle gets married, there could be nobody entitled. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
'This is potentially very bad news for the team. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
'Their research could be in vain and they could make a loss. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
'They need to find out what happened to Joyce's Uncle William, | 0:07:56 | 0:08:00 | |
'as he's their only hope.' | 0:08:00 | 0:08:03 | |
Ethel died as a spinster and I'm now trying to identify the death of the maternal uncle, William, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:12 | |
in the First World War. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
I couldn't identify a death for him in the records after 1969. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:19 | |
One of several scenarios. He either died before 1969. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
Or he may have gone overseas. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:27 | |
'And things go from bad to worse. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:30 | |
'The team thinks they've found a marriage for Uncle William, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:35 | |
'but the dates don't fill Dave with confidence.' | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
We've found a possible marriage for William Samuel Logan. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
If it's right, he married age 47. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
'Unless William married a younger woman or had children by a previous marriage, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:50 | |
'there is little chance of children at all.' | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
With the aunt dying a spinster, unless she's got illegitimate children, | 0:08:54 | 0:09:00 | |
this case is not looking too good at the moment. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
We occasionally get cases where there's nobody. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
One of those things. So the government get the money. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
'The cash the government could collect, they estimate at £30,000. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
'At this stage, all hope is pinned on William having had children. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:24 | |
'Otherwise, the case is dead in the water. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
'Under pressure, Alan thinks he's found a child of William's.' | 0:09:27 | 0:09:32 | |
-That marriage? -Definitely a child. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
He could have married a much younger person and had a child. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
I'm talking absolute rubbish. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
'But it seems he's read the records incorrectly. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
'It's one step forward and two steps back.' | 0:09:45 | 0:09:49 | |
I was looking at the marriage form not the birth form. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:54 | |
'Kiera and Alan are looking at the records of births around the time William might have married. | 0:09:54 | 0:10:01 | |
'They've had a few possible matches. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
'Could this be the breakthrough they've been hoping for?' | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
-I was looking at marriages thinking they're births. -None of these are... | 0:10:08 | 0:10:14 | |
-What about Kenneth S? -Any of those could be. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:17 | |
-Can you print that one out? -Northampton, Alan. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
'All is not lost. | 0:10:21 | 0:10:23 | |
'After a closer look, William may have had children after all.' | 0:10:23 | 0:10:28 | |
Possible marriage for William Samuel in Pancras in 1939. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:34 | |
Got two possible boys, though they're both born out of area. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:39 | |
One of those boys I've got an up-to-date address for in Brighton. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:43 | |
It's probably a red herring, the wrong marriage. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
I've got a phone number for the guy. We can ask him. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
Hopefully, he's up to date. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
'With a potential marriage for William and possibly two sons, | 0:10:52 | 0:10:57 | |
'Alan is keen to start the tree, even if he's not 100% convinced.' | 0:10:57 | 0:11:03 | |
I'm going to write in pencil. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
If it's all wrong, you can rub it off easy. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
He married very late in life. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
If it is correct, it's possibly going to be a second marriage. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:19 | |
'Alan might be clutching at straws, | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
'but it's better to try something rather than nothing.' | 0:11:21 | 0:11:26 | |
-If it is correct... -Thanks, Alan. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
'When Dave calls the potential heir, there's nobody at home. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:38 | |
'It's another anticlimax for the team. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
'Coming up, Dave finally sees some light at the end of the tunnel.' | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
There could still be an heir on this case, which is good news. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:55 | |
'Frasers' deal with thousands of unclaimed estates, | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
'mainly awarding large sums of money to unsuspecting beneficiaries. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:10 | |
'Some cases unearth secret lives that turn out to be | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
'far more valuable to a family than any estate could be.' | 0:12:13 | 0:12:18 | |
People are often just a name, so it's very nice to discover history about the deceased. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:25 | |
'The history uncovered about Kenneth was that he was an inventor.' | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
Very interesting fella to have known. I'd love to have known him. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:37 | |
I bet he were really nice to talk to, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
find out what were going on up here. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:42 | |
'Kenneth Clement Routledge died in August 2006 in Leeds. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:52 | |
'Records show that he never married and had no children. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:56 | |
'He left an estate worth an estimated £160,000, based on the value of his property - | 0:12:56 | 0:13:03 | |
'a highly valuable case for the Frasers' team. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
'Kenneth kept himself to himself and was not a social figure. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:12 | |
'Lewis Bentley was his neighbour.' | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
In my mind, he was a bit of a hermit. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
We could go months without seeing him, or anybody seeing him. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
You would occasionally see him walk to... I would think he walked to the shop and back. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:31 | |
He was up straight. He could walk about OK. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
He didn't use a stick or anything. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
He was tall, over six foot. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
He had his cap and his raincoat. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
He were dressed the same every time we saw him. He never changed. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:50 | |
Whether it be winter, summer or whatever. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
'Lewis and the neighbours were only able to monitor if Kenneth was OK by the sounds from his house.' | 0:13:53 | 0:14:00 | |
If you asked the neighbour | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
had he seen him, he would say, "No, but he must be all right. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:10 | |
"Cos his radio was on." | 0:14:10 | 0:14:12 | |
He listened to his radio. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:15 | |
That's the only way we knew that there was somebody in there. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:20 | |
'But after leading a deeply private life for so long, | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
'one day, things took a dramatic turn for the worst.' | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
The day that they found him, the police bashed the door down, like they do. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:35 | |
He asked me, "When did you last see him?" | 0:14:35 | 0:14:39 | |
I said, "Oh, it's weeks, months." | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
Um... He said, "I'm afraid this is bad news." | 0:14:42 | 0:14:47 | |
How long the body had been there, we don't know. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
It was sad, actually, to know that he'd died alone | 0:14:52 | 0:14:57 | |
in the circumstances he'd died in. | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
I did feel sorry for the chap, yes. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
When I saw them take him away, it were really sad. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
That he'd been alone, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:11 | |
died alone | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
and he left alone. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
'When the case arrived for the Frasers' team, senior researcher Gareth set to work. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:27 | |
'With the estate worth an estimated £160,000, | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
'they knew they could face competition so could waste no time.' | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
Because Routledge is quite a good name, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
we were confident we were on to the right family. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:44 | |
We established that there was no kin - | 0:15:44 | 0:15:47 | |
the deceased didn't have brothers and sisters and had no children. | 0:15:47 | 0:15:52 | |
So we started looking at cousins. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
Basically, Thomas, the father, and Gladys were both Yorkshire people. | 0:15:54 | 0:16:00 | |
The family seemed to come from Yorkshire, which was a help for us. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
Routledge being a good surname and the family staying in the area all help in our research. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:11 | |
Because it was a Yorkshire name, | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
we sent people to the area to pick up the certificates, | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
the birth certificate of the deceased and of the parents. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:26 | |
'Alongside birth, death and marriage records is the census, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
'another weapon in the heir hunters' armoury. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
'Censuses record every person who lived in a property at that time, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:40 | |
'and are made public 100 years after they were first recorded. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
'In this case, the team made great use of the census from 1901.' | 0:16:44 | 0:16:49 | |
The first thing we saw from the 1901 census | 0:16:49 | 0:16:52 | |
was, although the deceased's father, Thomas, was born in Hunslet, | 0:16:52 | 0:16:57 | |
where we expected him to be born, | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
his siblings were all actually born in Ireland. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
The fact that we found Thomas's birth was a lucky break. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:08 | |
We would never have found the brothers and sisters, or it would be much harder. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:14 | |
'From the census, the team could begin to build a family tree. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:22 | |
'John Simpson married Mary Hall and they had five children. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
'One of these children was Thomas. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
'He married Gladys Windsor and they had one child, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:33 | |
'Kenneth, our deceased. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:35 | |
'Kenneth never married or had children. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:39 | |
'The team looked to the brothers and sisters of Thomas. | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
'If they had children they would be cousins, who could be heirs. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:47 | |
'With four stems to investigate, | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
'it looked like a busy tree for the heir hunters.' | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
It looked like most of the heirs would come from the Routledge side. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
The Windsor side, there was one uncle James, who died without issue. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:05 | |
So it looked like all the heirs would come from the Routledge side. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:10 | |
We actually were falling over heirs. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
We found all of the heirs almost of the entire case on the same day. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
For instance, we quite quickly found Isabelle's marriage. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:25 | |
She married Mr Elmey and it quite quickly led us | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
to Kenneth John Elmey, who was a cousin once removed of the deceased. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:35 | |
We were able to contact him on the same day. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
From our point of view, a good day's work. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
'Kenneth had four aunts and uncles - | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
'Isabelle, Henry, Robert and John - | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
'all of whom married and had children. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
'Isabelle married William Elmey and had two boys, John and Horace. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:56 | |
'John married and had two sons, both of whom would be heirs. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
'One of these sons was Ken Elmey. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
'In total, the team would find seven heirs, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
'all entitled to a share in Kenneth's £160,000 estate. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:13 | |
'When Frasers' put their call in to Ken, they were met with scepticism. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
'Fearing a hoax, Ken was less than receptive to the idea that he might be about to inherit a fortune.' | 0:19:17 | 0:19:24 | |
I put the phone down | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
and thought about it for a while. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
My son-in-law checked on the internet and found that Fraser and Fraser were genuine. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:35 | |
So I rang them back and arranged for one of their researchers to see me. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
'Frasers' sent a local researcher to interview Ken immediately.' | 0:19:39 | 0:19:45 | |
We sat down, he asked a few questions about my mother and father, my grandma | 0:19:45 | 0:19:51 | |
and any other relatives. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
And then told me that I could be due for an inheritance. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
'Despite being named as an heir to Kenneth Routledge's estate, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:03 | |
'and potentially inheriting a considerable sum, "Routledge" was completely unfamiliar to Ken.' | 0:20:03 | 0:20:10 | |
I'd never heard it before. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
I didn't even know that my grandma's name was Routledge before she was married. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:19 | |
When I visited my grandma, it was Grandma Foster. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
That was the first time I heard the name Kenneth Routledge. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:26 | |
'Ken was made the administrator to Kenneth's estate. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:31 | |
'It was up to him to prepare the house for the market.' | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
I visited two or three times to let people look around, | 0:20:35 | 0:20:39 | |
and also to get all the... | 0:20:39 | 0:20:41 | |
terrible rubbish that was in there, everything out | 0:20:41 | 0:20:45 | |
and clean it up for re-sale. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
'Ken had little information on the circumstances surrounding Kenneth's death. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:54 | |
'Visiting his home helped him begin to understand his distant cousin.' | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
Seemed like he was a loner. He was devoted to his mother. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:04 | |
I found all his mother's clothes upstairs, | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
all neatly folded and put away and everything. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:11 | |
They were all her clothes. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:13 | |
But...he had...a strange way... | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
In the house, upstairs, we found a box, | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
a big cardboard box with 40 pairs of trousers with the tags on. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
They hadn't even been tried on. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
And another box with 20 or 30 shirts. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:32 | |
All the same, though, all checked shirts that had never been tried on. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:38 | |
So he must have had nothing to spend his money on. He just spent it. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:43 | |
Anyway, they all went to the charities. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
'Coming up, Ken delves into the imaginative mind of his cousin.' | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
"An electric hold-on jam jar lid." | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
He's quite inventive, as you can see. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
'For every case that is cracked, many thousands remain a mystery. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:12 | |
'These sit on the Treasury's unsolved list and can remain there for up to 30 years. | 0:22:12 | 0:22:19 | |
'The estates range wildly in value from £5,000 to millions, | 0:22:20 | 0:22:24 | |
'with the rightful heirs unaware of the windfall they could claim. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:30 | |
'Today, we've got two cases heir hunters have failed to solve. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:34 | |
'Could you have the answer? Could you be in line to inherit? | 0:22:34 | 0:22:38 | |
'Ronald Irwin passed away in January 1997 in Newcastle Upon Tyne. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:44 | |
'In the 13 years since, nobody has come forward and offered any clues | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
'which might lead to a rightful heir. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:52 | |
'Could you be in line to inherit his estate? | 0:22:52 | 0:22:55 | |
'Dorothy May Firman died in June 2001 in Ipswich, Suffolk. | 0:22:55 | 0:23:00 | |
'She left behind an estate and a mystery. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
'Might you offer information that might lead to her beneficiaries? | 0:23:03 | 0:23:08 | |
'Or could you personally be entitled to her unclaimed fortune? | 0:23:08 | 0:23:13 | |
'Joyce Perkins passed away in 2008, | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
'leaving an estate worth an estimated £30,000. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
'Although Joyce married, | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
'she never had children and was an only child born illegitimately. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
'The team's only hope of finding an heir | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
'lay with brothers or sisters Joyce's mother had.' | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
The aunt has died a spinster in Northampton. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
Which means we may be down to just the uncle. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:48 | |
So it's not so good news now. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:51 | |
'During her final years, Joyce had a friendship with Mary Spillane. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:55 | |
'Chats often turned to reminiscing about Joyce's early life.' | 0:23:55 | 0:24:00 | |
Joyce used to talk about her husband. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:04 | |
She told me she worked on a farm in the early years of her life. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
'Joyce was referring to her time in the land army. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
'Records show that she served in 1942, when she was 22 years old, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:20 | |
'one of 80,000 women in the land army during the Second World War, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:26 | |
'putting in 50 hours and earning just 28 shillings a week. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:31 | |
'Their jobs could be anything from harvesting wheat to tending animals. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:36 | |
'Whilst the work didn't prevent rationing, it did prevent famine, | 0:24:36 | 0:24:41 | |
'and the efforts of women like Joyce were required for several years after the war ended in 1945. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:49 | |
'Back in the office, David is following up two potential cousins, children of her Uncle William. | 0:24:55 | 0:25:02 | |
'After calling one with no answer, he's keen to contact the other. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:07 | |
'Just as the team seems to be making progress, Alan calls with an update | 0:25:07 | 0:25:12 | |
'which throws everything into question.' | 0:25:12 | 0:25:15 | |
He had an address of a cousin. That cousin we now know is not correct. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:20 | |
'But there is some good news, too. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:23 | |
'Alan's found another marriage of a William Logan. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
'On this marriage, William would have wed at 26, a more realistic age | 0:25:26 | 0:25:31 | |
'and, better still, it looks as though he started a family.' | 0:25:31 | 0:25:37 | |
He may have had a child of that marriage. That child would be a cousin. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:43 | |
I need to check what they have got but there could still be an heir, which is good news. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:49 | |
'With this revelation, Alan confidently starts the tree again. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:54 | |
'This time, he's doing it in ink, rather than pencil.' | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
-He married as plain William. -Are you sure? | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
-Yeah, because he's left a probate. -To...? -Dorothy Querry. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
They had a daughter, Winifred Eve. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
-Born when? -Sep 19. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
-In Romford. -Any issue on that marriage? -Yeah. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
Two sons. There's a Roger A. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
'According to Alan's new research, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:24 | |
'Joyce's Aunt Ethel died a spinster. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
'Her Uncle William married and had a daughter, Winifred. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
'She was married to Kenneth Broughton and they had two sons, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
'one of whom is Roger. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:37 | |
'Both could be the sole heirs to Joyce's estate.' | 0:26:37 | 0:26:42 | |
It looks on this case we're going to have kin, cousins once removed. | 0:26:42 | 0:26:47 | |
Possibly only two people. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
'By mid-afternoon, the team can put in a call to Roger Broughton, | 0:26:49 | 0:26:54 | |
'fairly confident that he's one of the heirs they've been looking for.' | 0:26:54 | 0:26:59 | |
Hello, Mr Broughton...? | 0:26:59 | 0:27:01 | |
'And best of all, it seems he's at home.' | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
..son of Winifred Broughton, formerly Logan. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
We believe that a cousin of your mother's on your grandfather's side | 0:27:08 | 0:27:13 | |
has recently died without leaving a valid will. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:17 | |
You and your brother could well be entitled to share in this estate. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:22 | |
We're not certain what the value is. Would it be convenient to see you? | 0:27:22 | 0:27:27 | |
One of my colleagues, probably Mr David Hadley. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:34 | |
Bye bye. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:35 | |
'At last, success! | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
'Roger has confirmed much of the team's research | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
'and it's finally time to send a travelling heir hunter to see him. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:47 | |
'Throughout the UK, Frasers' have researchers on stand-by, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:57 | |
'able to hit the road at a moment's notice. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
'They find records and track down clues to help crack the case. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:07 | |
'Dave Hadley is based in the southeast. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
'It's up to him to interview the potential heir and fill in any gaps on the tree. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:16 | |
'Roger Broughton lives in Colchester and could be a beneficiary to Joyce Perkins' estimated £30,000 estate.' | 0:28:16 | 0:28:24 | |
I don't think that the heir knows who the deceased is. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
I don't know how close he would be to the deceased anyway. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
So perhaps a little bit of delicate questioning when I first go in. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:40 | |
If the deceased was close to the heir, it's going to come as a shock and they're going to be upset. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:48 | |
That's my main concern. | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
-Mr Broughton? -Yes. -Hello. David Hadley. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
-Your mother was Winifred? -Yeah. -Your father Kenneth? -That's right. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
-And therefore, your grandfather would have been William Logan? -Yes. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:09 | |
-And your grandmother Dorothy Query. Query, Querry? -Yes. Querry. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:14 | |
I did say to David that, being a fella, | 0:29:14 | 0:29:19 | |
I've never been overly interested in genealogy. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
I've been, "Forget yesterday, drive onwards to tomorrow." | 0:29:23 | 0:29:27 | |
-Sort of thing, you know? -Yeah. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
-So I don't know a great many names from old aunts. -That's OK. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
A lot of memories are from when I was quite young, | 0:29:34 | 0:29:38 | |
so they're probably a bit hazy. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:42 | |
Traditionally, it is ladies and wives that hold families together. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:46 | |
There were two sons. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
-You're the oldest? -My brother is four and a half years younger. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
-We did use to visit some old, very old aunts... -Yeah? -In Northampton. | 0:29:53 | 0:30:00 | |
There was a very old lady and her two daughters all living together | 0:30:00 | 0:30:05 | |
in one small house in Northampton. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:10 | |
Ah. Right. Well, that might be... | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
I'm not sure where they fitted into the picture. Never paid it a great deal of attention. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:20 | |
'David's fairly confident that the aunts Roger remembers visiting could be Joyce, | 0:30:20 | 0:30:26 | |
'her mother and her aunt. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:28 | |
'With his knowledge of the family, it seems Frasers' have found the correct family. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:34 | |
'They sign up Roger and his brother, who will share Joyce's estate.' | 0:30:34 | 0:30:39 | |
If you've got any questions, don't hesitate to give David a call. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:44 | |
-Pleasure to meet you. Thank you. -Thank you very much. Bye bye. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:48 | |
He told me a little bit about the family. Nothing we didn't know. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:54 | |
He signed the agreement. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:56 | |
Everything's going to go through smoothly, I would think. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:00 | |
It's a pretty straightforward job. It looks like only two heirs. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:05 | |
They'll be sharing the estate. It's been quite a quick result. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:09 | |
And a good result. It's a job well done. | 0:31:09 | 0:31:13 | |
'Confident in his research, David Pacifico is happy as the case draws to a close.' | 0:31:21 | 0:31:28 | |
The case was fairly easy to solve, although we did have a couple of false starts. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:34 | |
In this instance, the deceased was illegitimate | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
and therefore, we only had to look at the maternal side of the family. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:43 | |
We've managed to sign up the only two heirs who, between them, | 0:31:43 | 0:31:47 | |
will now, we believe, receive the whole estate. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
'Roger is already dreaming of foreign shores | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
'and how he might spend his surprise windfall, whatever it's worth.' | 0:31:54 | 0:31:59 | |
I want to make use of any legacy sufficient to enable me to travel | 0:31:59 | 0:32:04 | |
farther afield, like New Zealand, | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
China - fascinating places. Have a look at Hong Kong. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:11 | |
Not sure about Dubai. Something a bit new about that. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
Some older places in the world will be interesting to visit. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:20 | |
'Frasers' have been looking into the case of Kenneth Routledge. | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
'Although the case was fairly simple to solve, it uncovered some details | 0:32:28 | 0:32:33 | |
'that were really rather unusual.' | 0:32:33 | 0:32:36 | |
This little book | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
of all the things he thought of which he would try and invent. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:43 | |
There must be 50 or 60 items. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
'Kenneth Routledge was a private man who kept himself to himself. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:50 | |
'On his death, he left behind an estate worth an estimated £160,000, | 0:32:50 | 0:32:56 | |
'but no will. | 0:32:56 | 0:32:58 | |
'His cousin once removed, Ken Elmey, is one of seven heirs to his estate. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:03 | |
'Tragically, although Kenneth died alone in his Leeds home, | 0:33:03 | 0:33:08 | |
'he had scores of relatives locally, who never knew of his existence.' | 0:33:08 | 0:33:12 | |
I passed his house hundreds of times. I have relatives up there. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:18 | |
And I've probably passed within a hundred yards of his house | 0:33:18 | 0:33:22 | |
countless times over the years. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:25 | |
Whether he would have let me in if I went to see him, I don't know, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
but I'd love to have had the chance. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:32 | |
'The first news the family had of Kenneth's life | 0:33:32 | 0:33:37 | |
'was when they were informed by the heir hunters that they would be inheriting his estate.' | 0:33:37 | 0:33:43 | |
It would have been lovely to have met him. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:48 | |
He must have brought it on himself, to an extent. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
He didn't socialise much. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
I think he must have died a sad man. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:58 | |
Pity. | 0:33:58 | 0:34:00 | |
'Naturally, Ken felt compelled to pay his respects to his distant cousin in person.' | 0:34:10 | 0:34:16 | |
Wish I'd have met you. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
You certainly changed my life. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:28 | |
And I thank you very much. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
I don't know what else to say. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
But it's still nice to know where he is. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
Um... | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
Definitely. Nice to know that he's... | 0:34:45 | 0:34:49 | |
I'd love to have seen a headstone, though, or something. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:54 | |
Maybe we can do something in future. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:58 | |
We'll see. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
'As administrator to the estate, | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
'Ken was in charge of some of his cousin's belongings, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
'and began to understand his relative a lot better. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
'Although Kenneth hid himself away, he was certainly keeping busy.' | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
It seems he was a bit of an inventor | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
and liked to tinker with all types of thinks. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:35 | |
In fact, his cellar was made like a little workshop. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
It was full of bits of aluminum and plastic | 0:35:38 | 0:35:43 | |
and little models of things he'd invented. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:46 | |
It transpired that the deceased sounds like an interesting chap. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:52 | |
Working the case, he's just a name. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:55 | |
As the case progressed, we found more about him. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:58 | |
As far as I recall, and I've been doing this job for a while, he's my only inventor | 0:35:58 | 0:36:04 | |
I can picture him a bit more than just a name now. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
It's always good to have extra information. It humanises the job. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:13 | |
This is a suitcase we found. | 0:36:16 | 0:36:19 | |
And it's full of... | 0:36:19 | 0:36:21 | |
Well, it's full of photographs | 0:36:21 | 0:36:24 | |
and all his letters from the patent companies | 0:36:24 | 0:36:28 | |
where he sent the inventions. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:30 | |
There's quite a few patents among them as well. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
Inventions. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
It seems he took newspaper cuttings, | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
adverts, and tried to improve on them, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:43 | |
and then wrote off and asked is his idea better than that one. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:48 | |
And so we've quite a lot of letters, some to America, some to Japan, | 0:36:48 | 0:36:53 | |
a lot of companies in Britain, and all had answers back. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:58 | |
Whether he actually made the items or got the items made, I'm not sure. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:04 | |
'Every time we put on the washing, make a phone call or set our alarm, | 0:37:06 | 0:37:12 | |
'we are utilising someone's unique invention that, more often than not, improves our quality of life. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:19 | |
'In 2008, more than 16,000 seemingly original ideas and inventions | 0:37:19 | 0:37:25 | |
'were filed with the UK Patent Office, with over 2,000 granted. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:30 | |
'Many applications fall on the desk of Lawrence Smith-Higgins at the UK Patent Office.' | 0:37:30 | 0:37:37 | |
We're proud of the tradition we've got | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
in terms of invention and innovation. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
We've had some outstanding innovators, | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
the great Victorian age of invention, where wealth was created. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
It's a tradition that we carry on to this day. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
We still are proud that there is a great number of British inventors. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:01 | |
British inventors demonstrate dogged determination, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:07 | |
a characteristic we're proud of. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:10 | |
It's one thing to have your idea. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:12 | |
It's another thing to know what to do, get it protected by a patent. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:17 | |
Probably the biggest hurdle is to get your idea to market. | 0:38:17 | 0:38:21 | |
'Among those British inventors desperate to see their idea in production was Kenneth Routledge. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:29 | |
'Records show he had an original and imaginative mind | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
'and invested time developing his ideas and filing for patents.' | 0:38:32 | 0:38:37 | |
What's interesting is the breadth of applications. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
Mr Routledge was not just interested in one patent. He had several. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:46 | |
'A favoured design was one for a hairdryer.' | 0:38:46 | 0:38:50 | |
We looked at our database and pulled up a copy of the application. | 0:38:50 | 0:38:56 | |
Importantly, the drawings. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
I would presume, certainly one of the unique features | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
is that this hair drying device, though heated electronically, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:08 | |
once on the head, | 0:39:08 | 0:39:10 | |
as Mr Routledge puts it, "..enables the wearer to move about freely during the use thereof." | 0:39:10 | 0:39:17 | |
Which means that you can be drying your hair while doing other things, | 0:39:17 | 0:39:22 | |
and not sitting under the plugged-in, | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
static kind of hairdryers that would have been popular at this time. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:32 | |
From our research, it looks as though Kenneth had four patents, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:38 | |
three relating to hairdryers and one for a darts game. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:43 | |
The latest patent was filed in 1971. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
Unfortunately, our records can't tell us | 0:39:45 | 0:39:48 | |
whether these were ever turned into a commercial entity - that we can't say. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:55 | |
Their value really lies in the fact that Mr Routledge | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
has joined a unique band of individuals | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
who have had patents granted for their unique innovative ideas. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:08 | |
'Some of Kenneth's ideas never made it past the drawing board.' | 0:40:08 | 0:40:13 | |
There's some ideas he had. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:15 | |
"Foam plaster paper. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
"A wig setting block. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
"An electric hold-on jam jar lid." | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
So he's quite an inventor, as you can see! | 0:40:23 | 0:40:26 | |
"Artificial respirator. Unsinkable lifeboat." | 0:40:26 | 0:40:31 | |
CHUCKLES | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
"Two-way astro jet engine!" I don't know what he was going for! | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
So it shows he never stopped inventing things. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:43 | |
He seems a very interesting man. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
I wish he could have been more successful. | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
We found some photographs here | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
of his family and old war photographs. | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
I think this was his mother or his grandmother. | 0:41:02 | 0:41:06 | |
I think this is his grandmother and grandfather. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:10 | |
'Thinking he had no tangible connection to Kenneth, | 0:41:10 | 0:41:15 | |
'Ken was in for a surprise when he looked through the photographs.' | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
This photograph is my grandmother, | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
Bella Routledge or, as I knew her, Grandma Foster. | 0:41:22 | 0:41:27 | |
That's my father and that's my Uncle Horace. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:32 | |
This one, also, is of my father and my mother. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
And my! Doesn't she look trendy?! | 0:41:36 | 0:41:39 | |
It's fantastic that, to find a picture of my mother again. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:44 | |
They're the only two I found of my family in his box. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:49 | |
But he must have known them and they must have known him, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:53 | |
though they never told me about him. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:56 | |
Seeing that really shocked me, actually. It's quite nostalgic. | 0:41:56 | 0:42:00 | |
I've never seen photographs of my mother and father | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
at that stage of their life. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
I can't believe my mother's such a good-looking woman. Beautiful. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
It might be his mother that knew my mother and father. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
'Opening up this box of photographs has raised questions for Ken.' | 0:42:18 | 0:42:23 | |
Perhaps my mother and father, who obviously knew him, | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
took his name to give me. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:31 | |
Maybe they liked the fella. | 0:42:31 | 0:42:33 | |
Maybe they got on right well with him in his younger days | 0:42:33 | 0:42:37 | |
and maybe I were named after him. | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
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