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Heir hunters trace families of people who die without a will. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
They hand over thousands of pounds to unsuspecting relatives | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
which would otherwise go to the Government. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
On today's programme, | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
the heir hunters struggle to trace a family with the most common surname in the country... | 0:00:32 | 0:00:37 | |
I don't believe this. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:38 | |
We've got the complete wrong family. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:40 | |
Everyone on Smith, stop. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
..and in their search for heirs, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:47 | |
discover a brilliant economist whose grasp of money was far from usual. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:52 | |
Johnny had a theory that he could beat the roulette wheel | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
so he took a group of his students to the Playboy Club | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
and he took the bank to the cleaners. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
Plus, how you may be entitled to a share in unclaimed estates held by the Treasury. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:06 | |
Could thousands of pounds be heading your way? | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
Every year in Britain, thousands of people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
If no obvious family can be found, their money goes straight to the Government. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
Last year, over £18 million went directly to the Treasury in unclaimed estates. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
That's where the heir hunting companies come in. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
Fraser & Fraser are one of the oldest heir hunting companies in the world. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:37 | |
They trace rightful heirs to unclaimed estates. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
We're tracing family trees, delving back into people's history, | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
looking at the hidden mysteries around people's families. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
The company is run by Neil, Charles and Andrew Fraser. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:54 | |
Over the years, they have reunited thousands of heirs with millions of pounds. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:02 | |
It's early Thursday morning and while the City of London is just waking up, | 0:02:05 | 0:02:11 | |
the researchers at Fraser & Fraser are already hard at work. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
What about this one? | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
Just after midnight, the Treasury publish their weekly list of unclaimed estates. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:23 | |
Andrew Fraser is poring over the details with case manager David Pacifico, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:28 | |
trying to determine which estates might be of value. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:33 | |
Herbert Smith, died in a nursing home. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
-But that's the previous address? -Yes, it's that one. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
The case of Harold Herbert Smith might have potential. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:43 | |
Previous to the nursing home she was in, she owned a property, or he owned a property. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:49 | |
So I want to try to speak to some neighbours. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:51 | |
Neighbours are sometimes the key to unlocking a case, | 0:02:51 | 0:02:55 | |
often revealing the deceased's wealth, age and even their relatives' names. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:59 | |
For the heir hunting companies, their information can make the difference | 0:02:59 | 0:03:04 | |
between solving a case or losing it to the competition. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:09 | |
OK, cheers, thank you. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
Harold Herbert Smith died on 22nd December 2008. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:19 | |
He was known to his friends as Bert and worked as an accountant's clerk in London. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:24 | |
Although he spent his last year in a nursing home, | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
Harold had lived on his own for over 30 years in a bungalow on a leafy street in Epsom, Surrey. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:34 | |
A good description of him is a suit and waistcoat. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
Terribly smart. Very clean. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
And always very gentlemanly. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
It's still early and case manager David Pacifico | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
has so far had little luck in finding any useful information on Harold. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
Smith is the last name people would want to start researching. | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
Mainly working it because of the value. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
We know he owns his own property. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:02 | |
It's a nice home - fingers crossed we're dealing with £200,000. | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
To begin the search for heirs, the team need Harold Smith's exact birth details | 0:04:06 | 0:04:11 | |
which can be found on certificates held by the register offices. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
But they won't be open for a couple of hours. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
David cannot afford to wait. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
Not sure about this. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
We've got a possible birth of the deceased, Harold H Smith. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:28 | |
The search for Harold Smith begins but it is like looking for one particular piece of hay | 0:04:28 | 0:04:33 | |
in a haystack. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
There are Smiths everywhere they look. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
And a lot of them are called Harold. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
1910, that would make him about nearly 98. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:44 | |
David Pacifico has asked researcher Dominic Hendry to scan the records for Harold Smiths | 0:04:44 | 0:04:49 | |
who were born between 70 and 90 years ago. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
Not only are we talking about the most common name that we can possibly get, | 0:04:52 | 0:04:57 | |
which becomes the most difficult search we can get. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:00 | |
I mean, every quarter, we're getting at least 20 or so Harolds and at least two or three Harold Hs. | 0:05:00 | 0:05:05 | |
What the team desperately need is some more concrete information so they can narrow down the search. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:12 | |
Time for David to call out the travelling researchers. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
Fraser & Fraser employ regional heir hunters who are on standby | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
from 7am every morning, ready to go wherever the search takes them. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:27 | |
They make door-to-door inquiries, all in the race to find and sign up heirs. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:34 | |
Senior researcher, Bob Smith, is not too optimistic about this particular case. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:41 | |
We are looking for 10 branches of a family called Smith. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
It's going to be hard work. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:46 | |
Bob Barrett lives in the south of England and is already heading to check out Harold's property in Epsom | 0:05:46 | 0:05:52 | |
to more accurately estimate its value. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:56 | |
Bob, hi. | 0:05:56 | 0:05:57 | |
-You're on the way to Epsom? -That's right. I'll be there in five or 10 minutes. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
-Thanks, Bob. -Cheers. -Bye. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
After checking out the bungalow, Bob knocks on doors, hoping to find a neighbour of Harold Smith's | 0:06:07 | 0:06:13 | |
to speak to and help the office discover Harold's correct date of birth. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:18 | |
But can he succeed where David failed earlier? | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
It's still only just past eight o'clock and the street is deserted. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:27 | |
There is a bedroom curtain still drawn. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
People are obviously still in bed, I'm loath to disturb too many of them unnecessarily. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
While Bob waits for Harold Smith's neighbours to wake up, | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
it's all hands on deck in the office to try to make a break on the case. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
We've got staff working on different bits of family trees. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
We'll have to work several different births until we're able to focus in on a single family tree. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:52 | |
All the other family trees will be ripped up and thrown away and we'll concentrate on one family tree. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:58 | |
There's a Herbert H, Harold Herbert. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:00 | |
He could be born as Herbert H. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
-Wandsworth, 1912. -Let's look at that one. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:04 | |
Can you work on that one? Can you two work on that one? | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
The atmosphere in the research room is one of frustration. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
This is wrong, all this. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
The Smith name is just throwing up too many possible Harolds. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
We need that birth... | 0:07:19 | 0:07:21 | |
Andrew, there are several Harold Hs round about 1911, 1912. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
-Doesn't make it easy, does it? -It's not easy. We're stymied on that. I think this is going to be wrong. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:33 | |
While they try everything they can to narrow the search, | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
over in Epsom, Bob has finally found people to talk to. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
He must have been 90 something. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:43 | |
94, 95, I think. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:45 | |
He had one sister in Kent. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
Oh, right, no, we didn't know that. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
-So a sister in Kent? -That's as far as I know. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
I'm not 100% sure. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
It was worth the wait. Bob rings the office with what he hopes is a good lead for the team. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:05 | |
-Hello, Bob. -Hello, David. I've just been knocking on a few more doors, talking to a few more people. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
The question is, we've got several potential births for him. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
-I think you'd mention to Andrew that one neighbour said he was 96, yes? -He's certainly... | 0:08:14 | 0:08:19 | |
Another neighbour's talking about 94, 95, so... They used to be a sister in Kent, | 0:08:19 | 0:08:24 | |
and possibly nieces and nephews somewhere in Kent. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:29 | |
That's interesting. Well, I presume she'd be dead by now. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
-I should think so. -There's also... | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
-Competition have been knocking on the same doors or ringing the same bells. -Well, I'm not surprised. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:41 | |
-And it's a nice little detached bungalow. -Mm-hm. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
I would imagine £400,000, that sort of amount. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:50 | |
-If it's that valuable, we'll be working on it hard. -Not in very good condition. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
-The registry office doesn't open till when? -9am, and I'm en route to it now. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:59 | |
I might get the date of birth beforehand, | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
-so I'll leave that with you and see what happens. -Okey-doke. Speak to you later. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:05 | |
£400,000. This is more than they had originally hoped for. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:13 | |
It may be just 8.30, but now thanks to Bob, | 0:09:13 | 0:09:15 | |
the team can focus in on Harold Smiths born at least 90 years ago. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
Right, let's have a look at these. Do you know what I fancy? I fancy that Edmonton. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:25 | |
-Yep. -Yep. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
David has finally been able to narrow it down to two births of Harold Herbert Smith. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:35 | |
One is born in 1912 in Godstone in Surrey. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:38 | |
The other possible birth is in Edmonton North London in 1910. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:43 | |
The Godstone birth seems much more likely to the team | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
as it is only 15 miles from Epsom where Harold was living. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:50 | |
That family is now the priority. And they've made an early breakthrough. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
On the basis, and it is speculative, if the birth we've got four Harold Smith is right in Godstone, | 0:09:54 | 0:10:00 | |
he had several siblings including a sister, Ellen EJ Smith, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
who, if this is right, married a Leonard Theobald. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
And of that marriage, there's a son, James. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
So, in theory, we could have a nephew of the deceased. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:16 | |
The team could be getting closer to their first potential heir and it's only 9.30. | 0:10:16 | 0:10:22 | |
All they're waiting for is confirmation that they are on to the correct family. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
Bob Barrett has arrived at the Leatherhead register office to pick up the corresponding certificate. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:33 | |
You'll be wanting it today, presumably? | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
If I've got it, it will be £12. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
Unfortunately, he's going to have to wait. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
Meanwhile, researcher Debbie Howe has jumped in a cab to Haringey register office. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:50 | |
Her job is to make sure that they can confidently rule out the Harold born in Edmonton | 0:10:50 | 0:10:56 | |
and she's just got the news. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:57 | |
I don't believe this. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
Right, we've got the wrong family here. | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
Right, hang on. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
Neil, Neil! | 0:11:07 | 0:11:09 | |
Dom, stop it. Hang on. Is Neil there? | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
The complete wrong family we've got. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
Right, we're going to hang fire, then, a minute, Debbie. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
-Wrong census, is it? -Yes. ..Thank you, bye. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
The Godstone family where the research was almost complete is the wrong one. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
-Actually, Bob Barrett, I can tell him to stop now. -Everyone on Smith, stop. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:37 | |
Harold Smith, born in Edmonton, matches the information in the office exactly. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:43 | |
So this is the birth certificate. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:45 | |
He's born 4th December 1910 and he was born 10 Eastfield Road, Hornsey. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:53 | |
It confirms the date of birth of the deceased but also proves that we were working the wrong family... | 0:11:53 | 0:11:59 | |
..and without the certificate, it's very easy to make mistakes. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
It's not really a mistake or an error or something, it's just when you're working Smith families, | 0:12:04 | 0:12:09 | |
it's one of the things which happens. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
It's now 11.05 and the team have now finally been able to confirm which is the correct family. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:20 | |
Harold Herbert Smith was born 4th December 1910 in Edmonton. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:25 | |
He was the son of Harold Herbert Snr and Adelaide Caspell. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:30 | |
The good news is that identifying Harold's mother gives the team another surname to work with. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:36 | |
Adelaide Lillian Louise Caspell. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
25, she's a spinster. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
Neil regroups the researchers. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:46 | |
Dominic, can you go for a 1911 census, please? | 0:12:46 | 0:12:51 | |
One team is working on the Smith side, while the other focuses on Harold's mother's name of Caspell. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:57 | |
At least it's not Smith. | 0:12:57 | 0:12:58 | |
It's almost lunchtime and the real work of tracking down the heirs | 0:12:58 | 0:13:03 | |
to Harold Smith's £400,000 estate can finally began. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
Coming up, progress is frustratingly slow in the search for a heirs on the Smith case. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:17 | |
You make one leap forward only to hit another brick wall. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
Researching cases advertised by the Treasury is only one part of Fraser & Fraser's business. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
Some estates are referred to them directly by members of the public | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
with a relative who has died leaving no will. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
Investigating this type of case is Simon Grosvenor's speciality. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:44 | |
He is one of the firm's case managers and has over 20 years of heir hunting experience. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:50 | |
We do get quite a lot of members | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
of the public who ring in and approach us. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
Whether they're inquiries that we can actually do something with is a different matter. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:03 | |
In this case, Simon was looking at the estate of John Wise, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
which had been referred to him by a cousin of the deceased. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
Although he didn't own his own home, he had over £300,000 in the bank. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:16 | |
John Wise had died without leaving a will and without family of his own. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:23 | |
And the members of the family who knew about that | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
didn't know enough about the others to get the process sorted, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:31 | |
so it was something we could assist with. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:34 | |
John Wise had died from a heart attack in February 2008 at the age of 78. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
It was his cousin, Brian Sanders, who first contacted Fraser & Fraser. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:46 | |
He knew he was potentially an heir, | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
but had few details about the rest of his family, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
so needed help tracking them down. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:53 | |
The last time I saw Johnny was at my wedding, 1968. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
He came with his father Arnold. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
He was wearing a wonderful suit, shirt and tie. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:07 | |
But sandals with no socks on. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:09 | |
He was very eccentric. After that, I never saw him again. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
John was a classic case of a working-class boy made good. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
Born to Jewish parents in the East End, | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
John studied at the London School of Economics, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
and was a brilliant academic, with an all-consuming passion for his subject. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
Friend and former colleague Professor Marcus Miller remembers him well. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:34 | |
He was treated as something of a genius at LSE which was, | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
and is, the top economics department in this country. | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
When quite young, | 0:15:41 | 0:15:44 | |
published with top statisticians. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:49 | |
Was taken by a Nobel prizewinner to California. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
So he was walking with these giants. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:53 | |
John Wise's mother was born in the East End of London, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
just after her family had settled there from Poland. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
At the age of 21, she married John's father Arnold, | 0:16:04 | 0:16:08 | |
a tailor's cutter who had only been in the country for five years. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
Brian remembers his aunt and uncle. | 0:16:12 | 0:16:15 | |
Chalk and cheese. It must have been an arranged marriage. | 0:16:15 | 0:16:18 | |
I don't think it could have been anything else. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
It wasn't a meeting of minds, I can tell you. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:24 | |
He was just a nice man. He never learned to speak English properly. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
He used to follow her about. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
Jenny was the genius. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:33 | |
Jenny got pregnant soon after they married in 1926, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
but their first son died an infant, the day he was born. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:43 | |
Their second boy, John, was born in 1930 and was the apple of his mother's eye. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:50 | |
I think that was the one thing that drove her. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:53 | |
She had somebody there who could be somebody. She was right. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
How had John turned out so differently from the rest of the family? | 0:16:57 | 0:17:02 | |
His cousin Brian believes it was thanks to his mother. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:06 | |
I always remember her as being very kind, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
always very intelligent. She always had time for me. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
She didn't used to throw her intelligence about. | 0:17:11 | 0:17:14 | |
But she saw something in Johnny. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
She encouraged it, she nurtured it and she made sure | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
that he actually became somebody. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
Otherwise, he'd have finished up a tailor...with brains. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
And she wasn't going to have that. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
Brian passed all the information he knew about the family to Simon at Frasers, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
and asked him to find John's next of kin. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
The father of the deceased, Arnold Wise, was Polish. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:47 | |
The death certificate for Arnold, on which his son informed, said Poland. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
We've got no place in Poland and without an area, we can't do any work in Poland. | 0:17:51 | 0:17:58 | |
So it was a dead end. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
We're completely stumped. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
While there could be heirs to John Wise in Poland, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:06 | |
they cannot be found without a place of birth for Arnold. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:10 | |
On the mother's side of the family tree, there were Polish ancestors too. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
But this time, the research was more fruitful. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:18 | |
We did find Jenny on the 1911 census, | 0:18:18 | 0:18:23 | |
which, in fact, told us that her father was Barnett. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:28 | |
It told us that her mother's name was Eva, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:31 | |
and that she had siblings Samuel, Annie, Lasareth and Yeta. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:38 | |
The census is a fantastic research tool for the heir hunters. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
Produced in the UK every 10 years, it lists all members of a household, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
and in the case of the Sanders family, has useful clues about their history. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:52 | |
Also indicated on the 1911 census is the ages of the various people concerned. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:59 | |
And it tells you where they're born, or at least roughly where they're born. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:04 | |
Barnett and Eva are both born in Poland when it was part of Russia, | 0:19:04 | 0:19:10 | |
as, indeed, is the eldest son, Samuel. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
The others, Annie and Jenny herself and Lasareth and Yeta, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
are all born in Commercial Road in London, in Shoreditch. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:24 | |
The census records suggest that Barnett and Eva moved to London | 0:19:25 | 0:19:29 | |
some time between the birth of Samuel in 1895 and Annie in 1902, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
and that the family were part of the mass emigration of Jews | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
from the Russian Empire at the end of the 19th century. | 0:19:38 | 0:19:41 | |
From 1850, | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
mass immigration of Jews started. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
They were coming from what we now call Poland, and from that area that bordered Poland and Russia. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:55 | |
That was where the persecution was at its worst. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
When John Wise's grandparents, Barnett and Eva, first came to London, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
they lived in Hessel Street, just off Commercial Road, in the heart of Jewish London. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:08 | |
It was a poor neighbourhood with terrible living conditions by today's standards, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
but it was still the safe haven they'd been longing for. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:17 | |
They came here for a better way of life. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
They couldn't wait to get here. | 0:20:20 | 0:20:22 | |
You couldn't give them anything better than that. They had freedom. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:27 | |
And for them, that's where their life started. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
Eva and Barnett were a hard-working couple. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
To supplement the family's income, Eva ran a fruit stall on Hessel Street, | 0:20:33 | 0:20:37 | |
where there was a bustling market. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
Barnett, as the main breadwinner, worked in tailoring, | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
an industry which employed around 60% of Jewish men in London at that time. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
If you want to carry the tools of your trade with you, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
what could be simpler than a piece of chalk in your pocket | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
and a couple of needles in your lapel of your jacket | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
and a thimble in your waistcoat pocket? | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
That's all you need. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:07 | |
Tailors like Barnett, and also John's father Arnold, had a thriving business in the East End | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
and would have worked hard to support their families. | 0:21:12 | 0:21:16 | |
Having now found records for John Wise's mother's brother and sisters, | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
Simon Grosvenor was beginning to make good progress with the Sanders family tree. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:28 | |
We identified marriages for all of the children of Barnett and Eva. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:37 | |
They all seem to have got married in the East End, and, we think, | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
well, with two exceptions, they all had children | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
including, of course, Hyman, who was the father of Mr Sanders. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
We then had to determine whether any of the other aunts' and uncles' children | 0:21:47 | 0:21:52 | |
were still alive and locate what happened to them. | 0:21:52 | 0:21:56 | |
According to Brian, who was one of these cousins, the deceased, John Wise, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
a bookish, academic type, stood out like a sore thumb in the family. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:08 | |
As a talented economist with £300,000 in the bank, | 0:22:08 | 0:22:11 | |
one thing about this case really didn't add up. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
It was a surprise that John Wise didn't leave a will. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
You'd have thought that he'd have done that. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
It may just be it wasn't the sort of practical, everyday thing he spent time thinking about. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:31 | |
Still to come - John's life outside the academic world reveals his secrets. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:37 | |
Johnny had a theory but, like all mathematicians, | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
from theory, we have to put it into fact. And he took the bank to the cleaners. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:47 | |
For every case that is cracked, there are still many thousands which remain a mystery. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:03 | |
These cases sit on the Treasury's unsolved list, and can remain there for up to 30 years. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:12 | |
The estates can range wildly in value, from £5,000 to many millions, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:21 | |
with the rightful heirs completely unaware of the windfall they could claim. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:26 | |
Today, we've got two cases heir hunters have so far failed to solve. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:31 | |
Could you have the answer? | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
Could you be in line to inherit? | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
Stasys Narbutas died in Denmark Hill, London, on 12th January 2008. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:43 | |
Was Stasys a neighbour of yours? | 0:23:43 | 0:23:45 | |
Perhaps you remember relatives who came to visit. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
If his heirs aren't found, his money will go to the Government. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
Kathleen Nixon died a spinster in Sheffield on 25th June, 2008. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:02 | |
Was Kathleen a relative of yours? | 0:24:02 | 0:24:05 | |
So far, all effort to trace her relatives have drawn a blank. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:09 | |
Could either of these two estates be meant for you? | 0:24:10 | 0:24:13 | |
Fraser & Fraser don't just investigate cases advertised by the Treasury. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:28 | |
Sometimes a case of someone who has died without a will comes to them. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
Simon Grosvenor has been asked by a family member to track down the | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
heirs to academic John Wise's £300,000 estate. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:40 | |
Brian gave me quite a lot of information about the various | 0:24:42 | 0:24:47 | |
uncles and aunts, which enabled us to start looking into the family. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:53 | |
The first steps seem to be to check whether anyone other than Mr | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
Saunders who contacted us, was also aware that Mr Wise had died and see if they had done anything about it. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:04 | |
In fact, Mr Saunders cousin, Eric, had been aware. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
He had handled all the initial | 0:25:09 | 0:25:13 | |
work involved with the funeral and finding out what Mr Wise's assets were. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:19 | |
He had in fact put the money in the bank where it has been earning interest | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
and he then didn't really know what to do with it. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
Searching out John's cousins, the potential heirs, was proving quite simple on his mother's side | 0:25:27 | 0:25:33 | |
but it was John himself who was the enigma in this case. | 0:25:33 | 0:25:37 | |
I first got to know John Wise | 0:25:37 | 0:25:40 | |
when I was a young lecturer at the London School of Economics. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:43 | |
He was quite noticeable because he sat near the front | 0:25:43 | 0:25:48 | |
and was one of the pack who tried to ask | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
the most devastating questions of the speaker. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:59 | |
He was described by his peers as a genius and had studied at LSE | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
and all over the world but he had never taken the next step. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:06 | |
Most academics like to pass on what they have to students, that | 0:26:09 | 0:26:15 | |
is the next generation and you feel that is your job. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:18 | |
For some reason, John didn't have this desire. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
I think he liked to talk but not to teach. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
In that sense he was a pretty odd academic. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:30 | |
John had offers from universities all over the globe to research and teach and countless invitations to | 0:26:31 | 0:26:38 | |
publish in major journals, but he didn't want to. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
He felt like someone has come from somewhere else, | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
this wandering scholar and was unsettling and wanted to | 0:26:46 | 0:26:51 | |
somehow disrupt things. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
John didn't play the academic game by the rulebook and it seems he treated his family the same way. | 0:26:54 | 0:27:01 | |
He was hard work. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
I was eight years younger than him and every time he | 0:27:03 | 0:27:08 | |
would say hello to me, he would ask me some silly question like, do I know the ratio of people in Rwanda? | 0:27:08 | 0:27:16 | |
What do I know about things like that? | 0:27:16 | 0:27:19 | |
When I couldn't answer the question, it was finished, it was over and he would go away. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:25 | |
He only knew about his own subject, mathematics and economics. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
Even though he was an economist, money it seems was a mystery to him. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:35 | |
I think he'd rationally allocate what money he had earned, but as far as I could see, the money | 0:27:35 | 0:27:43 | |
went into some bank account, earned no interest and didn't get spent. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
When we went to cafes to talk, I would always pay the bill, I never saw him | 0:27:46 | 0:27:52 | |
handle much money. | 0:27:52 | 0:27:53 | |
He was just like a schoolboy really, wandering round a plastic bag. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:59 | |
Money wasn't an important part of his life, nor was it something he has studied too much intellectually. | 0:27:59 | 0:28:07 | |
He looked at markets but that is often to do with prices and incomes, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
not with money and how to spend it directly. | 0:28:11 | 0:28:14 | |
Even though he never bought a house or invested any of his money, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
it seems John did use his intellect and cash in other ways. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
Unlike pure mathematicians, he was interested in the real world but he tried to see patterns and | 0:28:25 | 0:28:32 | |
see explanations and he would try to use his mathematical insight to give you some way of understanding it. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:40 | |
I very much enjoyed spending time with him in which he would do this. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
Johnny has a theory that he could beat the roulette wheel. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:49 | |
Like all mathematicians, | 0:28:49 | 0:28:51 | |
from theory, you have to put it into fact. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
He went down from Southampton to the Playboy Club, | 0:28:56 | 0:29:00 | |
he got on the roulette table and he took the paint to the cleaners. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:05 | |
He wasn't playing to win, | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
he was playing to prove his theory. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:13 | |
It was almost like a form of art. | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
It was as if the data was out there and he was trying to fit something to it | 0:29:16 | 0:29:21 | |
and when he got it fitted, you understood what was going on. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
It was actually a mathematical equation. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:27 | |
But roulette, like life itself was just another game to John. | 0:29:27 | 0:29:33 | |
His academic life was a simple one, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:36 | |
but in the end gained him few friends and separated him from the family that he had. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:41 | |
Anything to do with mathematics, that was Johnny's game. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
He used to tell countries | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
what to produce. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:50 | |
You have to be some kind of a genius and he was obviously very well paid for it. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:57 | |
What to do with your money when you don't spend it? | 0:29:57 | 0:29:59 | |
What surprised me was the amount he left. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:02 | |
John's final estate was valued at £340,000 and was remarkably all in hard cash. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:11 | |
It was up to Simon at Fraser & Fraser to work out where this should go. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:15 | |
By now he had been able to map out John's maternal | 0:30:15 | 0:30:19 | |
family tree in its entirety, finding all the entitled heirs. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:24 | |
I think we have found 15 cousins in total and bearing in mind how much | 0:30:24 | 0:30:29 | |
we believe the estate to be worth, that is going to be quite a nice windfall for all of them. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
In particular, it is nice to know that Brian, | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
who got in contact with us originally, is going to share in that. | 0:30:36 | 0:30:39 | |
Brian has now been put in contact with the cousins he had lost touch with, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
but the cousin he had been most interested in was the one on his mind. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:51 | |
I felt very guilty and very sad because I had neglected him all these years. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:57 | |
It was up to me to look for him, it wasn't up to him. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:02 | |
He would never have done that. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
The family are planning to spend some of their inheritance on a memorial for John Wise. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:11 | |
A tribute to a man who left very few traces of his achievements in life. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:16 | |
In a way, it is symptomatic of the man. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:19 | |
He gradually disappears, not wishing to leave an epitaph or any papers. | 0:31:19 | 0:31:27 | |
He just lets it all drift away. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:31 | |
It is sad but it is also | 0:31:31 | 0:31:35 | |
true of the man and | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
what you have to do is remember what gifts he gave you. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:44 | |
Back at Fraser & Fraser, the team are working on the case of | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
Harold Smith, an estate worth £400,000 thanks to a property in Epsom. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:05 | |
When we are stuck on something like Smith, we are racking our brains on everything. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:11 | |
We have to make sure we read every little piece of paper and every | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
little hint on something twice, three times even. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:17 | |
After many wrong starts, the team have finally found the right Harold Smith. | 0:32:20 | 0:32:25 | |
Now the hunt begins for his brothers or sisters. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:28 | |
Unfortunately they have the surname Smith too, and could be very difficult to find. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:34 | |
Harold, we don't know, Adelaide, Lilian, Louise... | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
Thankfully, Harold Smith's birth certificate has told the team that | 0:32:43 | 0:32:47 | |
his father was in the Army and that opens up a fresh avenue of research for Neil. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:53 | |
He is a sergeant in the Army Pay Corps, died aged 42 in 1917. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:58 | |
It has quite a lot of information about him, more than I have seen before. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
It says here he has a long service and a good conduct medal | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
and he is the son of William and Emma Smith in Southampton and the husband of | 0:33:05 | 0:33:11 | |
Ms ALL Smith of Morley Avenue in Wood Green. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
Served in the South Africa Corps. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
Certainly our man. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
He was killed in the war aged 40. | 0:33:20 | 0:33:23 | |
Obviously a career army man. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
The father of the deceased, Harold Herbert Senior had joined the Army as a young man. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:33 | |
He belonged to a cavalry regiment, which still exists today, the Queen's 9th Royal Lancers. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:39 | |
The 9th Lancers were a prestigious regiment. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
They were formed in 1743 | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
and eventually they attained the name of the 9th Queen's Royal Lancers. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
In 1899, the regiment travelled to South Africa to join the British Army's effort in the Boer War. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:59 | |
There is one reference in the diary of the 9th Lancers at that time. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:04 | |
"A patrol under Sergeant Smith on the right of the advance came under heavy fire at about 300 yards. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:11 | |
"Private Croft's horse was shot. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:13 | |
"Sergeant Smith got Croft up behind him and they got safely away. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:18 | |
"The horse, being subsequently retrieved by RSM Grant and the party at the time." | 0:34:18 | 0:34:24 | |
The fact that Sergeant Smith rescued Private Croft was one distinctive act | 0:34:24 | 0:34:29 | |
of bravery, but then for them to rescue the horse as well, because | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
the horse in those days was probably considered to be as valuable as the man. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:40 | |
The young Sergeant Smith did well to survive the perilous battlefields in South Africa and he and his family | 0:34:40 | 0:34:46 | |
went on to travel the world with his Army career until he died in the First World War. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:51 | |
He left his wife alone with three children. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
Harold was seven at the time. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
The team can now search for records of the Smith family overseas | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
to tie them in with Harold Senior's time in the Army. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
On the case of Smith, I've just found the birth of Adelaide M in South Africa. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:14 | |
It's a great discovery for the team. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:17 | |
At the moment we believe there's two sisters, one of whom...we're working | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
on the basis that she died as a spinster in Thanet Kent and the other sister, who | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
is Irene Lilian Smith, very, very common name, also in Thanet in Kent. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:30 | |
It turns out that both sisters of the deceased were born in South Africa. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
The teams know that Adelaide died a spinster, so all eyes are now on Irene. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
If she had children, they would be the only heirs to Harold Smith's £400,000 estate. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:48 | |
In the office, the researchers have been looking for a marriage for Irene. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
They might just have had a breakthrough. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
-Fantastic. -What? | 0:35:57 | 0:35:59 | |
Well, we know her name now. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:01 | |
Yes, I know. No other people mentioned? | 0:36:01 | 0:36:04 | |
No, just the brother Harold Herbert Smith and the sister Irene Lillian Ings. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
-Where did she get married? -Who is off... -Oh, so there's no...no near kin on this? | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
We need to check the address just to see who is, when she was... | 0:36:12 | 0:36:15 | |
Married in 1976. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:17 | |
Born in 1909. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:19 | |
We've just got back with the... We've got a probate back for the sister of the deceased. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:24 | |
The Smith to Ings marriage is in 1976. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:27 | |
Irene is down as having the surname Smith at that time. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:33 | |
If that's the case, she's a spinster getting married at the age of 65-ish. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:39 | |
Which sort of puts a stop on her having any children. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:44 | |
If that's true, that's all of our near kin out. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:48 | |
So Irene never had children. But it seemed she was the only one of the Smith family to escape the nest. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:56 | |
Harold and his sister Queenie lived with their widowed mother, | 0:36:56 | 0:36:59 | |
whilst Irene left home to become a missionary in China in 1940. | 0:36:59 | 0:37:03 | |
Despite three years of internment by the Japanese during the war, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:07 | |
she carried on her work in China until 1951. | 0:37:07 | 0:37:11 | |
Then she went on to Malaysia and Singapore, before finally returning home. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:16 | |
With Irene only marrying in her sixties after returning from her travels, | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
both of Harold's sisters died without having had children. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
The team are going to have to trace both sides of Harold Smith's family all the way back to cousins. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:35 | |
It's a huge job for the researchers, but Neil has seen it coming. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
The office have been working on the cousins all morning. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:45 | |
By now they are wrestling with large family trees on both the Caspell and the Smith sides of the family. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:50 | |
What quarter was it, Rog? | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
That's not to say the job is done. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
But working with the most common name in the country, the Smith side, unsurprisingly, is not looking good. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:05 | |
Jamie Smith to an Outen. Now, that marriage would appear to be wrong. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:10 | |
On the maternal side, the research is in much better shape. | 0:38:10 | 0:38:14 | |
You'll see on our tree we've got one, two, three, four, five, six... | 0:38:14 | 0:38:21 | |
I'm guessing we'll have in the region of 25 or 30 beneficiaries on. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:26 | |
Now's a question of...taking a little step back for David and he's got to evaluate where people are, | 0:38:26 | 0:38:33 | |
who he's got on the road and who he can get to hopefully visit these people and sign them up. | 0:38:33 | 0:38:38 | |
Bob Smith's free, Bob Barrett's free, Debbie will stay in the registry offices. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:46 | |
We may be able to bring Ewert on to this as well. We may be able to get three travellers on to it. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:53 | |
Neil's strategy for cracking the Smith case has paid off. | 0:38:53 | 0:38:56 | |
The team have finally got the Caspell family tree up to date, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
which is no mean feat. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
It turns out that the deceased's mother, Adelaide, was one of ten siblings. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:08 | |
All of their descendants are entitled beneficiaries. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
One of Adelaide's brothers was Horace. He had a daughter, Evelyn. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:18 | |
David Pacifico is hoping he has got her on the phone. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:21 | |
Could she be their first heir? | 0:39:21 | 0:39:25 | |
Hello, Mrs Turner? This is Fraser & Fraser here. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:28 | |
We're trying to trace the members of the Caspell family. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:32 | |
Evelyn has agreed to a meeting and Bob Barrett is on his way to try to obtain her signature. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:38 | |
Hello, Mrs Turner? | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
-Yes. -Bob Barrett from Fraser & Fraser. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
Thank you for seeing me. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
First of all, Bob has to verify the information | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
he has for the Caspell family, to make sure that Evelyn is indeed an heir to Harold Smith's estate. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:53 | |
What I'd like to do now is record your | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
brothers and sisters, please. | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
I don't know whether you want to start with the youngest, eldest or whatever... | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
-I'm the youngest. -Right. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
-John was the eldest. -We'll start with, so that's... | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
You're going to ask his birthday...and how old he was. | 0:40:08 | 0:40:15 | |
Meanwhile, Bob Smith is instructed to see a second heir on the maternal side of the family. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:25 | |
Now, the person in Emsworth is a first cousin. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:28 | |
She's a cousin and she might have some knowledge about other stems that we're still try to get on to. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:34 | |
Is she an only child? | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
-'I think she might be, yes.' -OK. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
-'All right, thanks Bob.' -All right. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:40 | |
-Cheers, Dave. -'Bye.' | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
Bye. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:44 | |
Whether Fraser & Fraser will get their commission is now in the hands of the travellers. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
In Stevenage, Bob Barrett's meeting with heir Evelyn is going well. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
So, I'll give that to you. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
That's very kind of you. | 0:40:54 | 0:40:56 | |
And I'll drink my tea. | 0:40:56 | 0:40:57 | |
Is it still drinkable? That's the question. | 0:40:57 | 0:40:59 | |
-It certainly is. -Yes. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
Oh, yes. Gosh, what a job. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:04 | |
-Well, thank you very much. Very nice to meet you. -Thank you. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:08 | |
I hope at the end of the day it's a nice amount that comes to you. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
-Thank you very much. -Thanks very much for the tea. -Thank you. -Thank you. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:14 | |
Evelyn is fortunate to be entitled to a share of Harold Smith's estate. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
But an added bonus for her is the chance to find out a bit more about the Caspell family. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:23 | |
When you lose your parents, they drop off. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:27 | |
You know, you lose the rest of their family off...unless, | 0:41:27 | 0:41:29 | |
you know, you all move apart, move in different areas of the country. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:34 | |
And contact is lost, | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
which is... It's a shame. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:40 | |
It's the end of a long Thursday in the office. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:42 | |
Neil took a huge gamble by throwing all of his team at the case of Harold Herbert Smith. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
But it seems to have paid off. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
And thanks to much painstaking research, | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
the team have found at least 20 heirs so far to the £400,000 estate. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:59 | |
We're just finishing up, really. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:00 | |
We've got a couple of letters being produced to go out to beneficiaries we haven't been able to see today. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:06 | |
It looks like we're about to get onto the Smith side. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
We've got some certs coming back on that. That'll be coming in tomorrow. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
Altogether, it was quite a good day. | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
Although they have yet to find the Smith cousins, the heirs they have found are definitely entitled. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:22 | |
Which means that Harold's money will not be going to the Treasury. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
Knowing Bert, I am absolutely certain he will be thrilled to bits, | 0:42:25 | 0:42:32 | |
that we had managed to find close relatives and to not see that it just | 0:42:32 | 0:42:40 | |
went to a Government department | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
to be sorted out, willy-nilly by a faceless mandarin who had nothing to do with him. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:48 | |
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