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Every year, thousands of people die without leaving a will. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
If no relatives come forward, their estates go to the Government. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:07 | |
Keeping this money in the family is a job for the Heir Hunters. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
-On today's programme, the Heir Hunters grapple with the unknown... -I don't like a mystery. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:33 | |
..as they investigate a woman who can speak to spirits beyond the grave. | 0:00:33 | 0:00:38 | |
You cannot contact the dead, they have to contact you. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
It's like a telephone line and, with Gladys, it was a very clear telephone line. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:48 | |
And in the quest for heirs, they uncover a heartbreaking story | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
of a loss of life that affected not just a family, but a whole nation. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:55 | |
It was just a tragedy, and other families were the same. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:00 | |
They were just wiped out with this. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
Plus, how you may be entitled to inherit some of the unclaimed estates held by the Treasury. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:08 | |
Could thousands of pounds be heading your way? | 0:01:08 | 0:01:11 | |
In the UK, approximately two-thirds of people don't have a will. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:19 | |
If they die without having made one and with no obvious heir, then their money goes to the Government. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:25 | |
Last year, the Treasury pocketed a staggering £18 million in unclaimed estates. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
That's where the Heir Hunters step in. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
I'm trying to get to speak to Lillian from number 146. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:36 | |
There are over 30 companies whose business it is | 0:01:36 | 0:01:39 | |
to trace the rightful heirs to this money and help them claim it back. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
Fraser & Fraser is one of the oldest firms of heir hunters in Britain. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:46 | |
It's run by Andrew, Charles and Neil Fraser. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
They make their commission by solving cases and signing up heirs. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:55 | |
In the last ten years alone, they have enabled over 50,000 heirs to claim over £100 million. | 0:01:55 | 0:02:02 | |
It's 7am at Fraser & Fraser's central-London office | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
and the Treasury has just published its weekly list of unclaimed estates. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:13 | |
None of the estates is listed with their values, so the first | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
and most important job is to identify the ones worth the most | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
because they'll bring in the highest commission but, this morning, boss Neil Fraser isn't happy. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:26 | |
It's looking like slim pickings. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
Although we've started off looking at 14 cases today, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
it doesn't look like we've got any with any value at the moment, | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
which is a bit unfortunate, so we're now starting to look at our secondary sort of cases - | 0:02:36 | 0:02:42 | |
the small low-value stuff - and trying to send people out | 0:02:42 | 0:02:47 | |
and utilise the staff we've got at the moment. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:50 | |
Although it looks busy, everyone's working on very low-value things. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
The delay is frustrating for the whole team. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
As well as all the staff in the office, there's also a band of travelling Heir Hunters | 0:02:57 | 0:03:02 | |
like Dave Mansell, who are based all over the country and poised to go wherever the hunt takes them. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
Although every estate that appears on the Treasury's list should be worth at least £5,000, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:13 | |
Frasers need to be pretty sure that a case is worth a lot more than that | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
before they throw all their resources at it, | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
so until they find one, Dave will just have to bide his time and wait. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:26 | |
Finally, one entry on the list does catch manager Bob's eye - | 0:03:26 | 0:03:30 | |
the case of Gladys Willerton. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
He thinks it looks like it could have value, so he goes ahead and starts to investigate. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:39 | |
Gladys passed away in August 2008 at Gwendolen Lodge Nursing Home in Leicester. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:45 | |
She was a widow and didn't have any children. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:48 | |
Sadly, Gladys didn't leave a will, and unless heirs can be found | 0:03:48 | 0:03:52 | |
to her estate, her money will go to the Government. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
The first piece of information Bob needs is Gladys's date of birth. | 0:03:55 | 0:04:01 | |
That will lead him to her birth certificate, which will tell him where she was born | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
and her parents' names, giving him a good place to start in the search for living family. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:11 | |
We've got two possible births there, one in Burnley. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:15 | |
This is the most likely cos she's supposed to be born in Lancashire, as opposed to Liverpool. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:19 | |
It's still only 8am, so while he's waiting | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
for the register offices to open, Bob's trying to find out Gladys's date of birth by other means. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:28 | |
He calls the nursing home where she died | 0:04:28 | 0:04:31 | |
and speaks to the manager, who remembers her and can help his investigation. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:36 | |
How long was she with you for? | 0:04:36 | 0:04:39 | |
February in '08. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:40 | |
Do you have a note of her date of birth on file, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:45 | |
and her maiden name if you've got that as well? | 0:04:45 | 0:04:47 | |
The other question, if I can ask you, about Gladys - as we're a business, | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
we need to know that it's going to be worth our while. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:54 | |
Are you aware of whether she had property or anything like that? | 0:04:54 | 0:04:58 | |
OK, and you're not aware of any money in bank accounts or anything like that, no? | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
At least now he's got something to go on, but from what he's hearing, | 0:05:03 | 0:05:06 | |
it doesn't sound like Gladys left much money. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
But then Bob does get some surprising news. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
According to the nursing home, Gladys did have children after all, four of them. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:19 | |
Right, do you know the details of the children? | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
Oh, right. Oh, I see. No information at all. | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
I just wonder how that information came about because, as I say, | 0:05:27 | 0:05:30 | |
from the public records, we can't find any trace of any births, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:33 | |
particularly from her marriage to Mr Willerton. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
It could be of course that she had illegitimate children or adopted children. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:41 | |
It seems that Gladys's life was full of mystery. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
If she did have children, then they would be the joint heirs to her estate, | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
but if not, then the team will have to look further back in her family tree. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
According to the law, they can go back as far | 0:05:53 | 0:05:56 | |
as the deceased's grandparents, before then tracing their line forward to find any heirs. | 0:05:56 | 0:06:02 | |
As I noticed the people around, so the sign stopped. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:10 | |
Not much is known about Gladys's early years, but her adult life in Leicester was centred around | 0:06:10 | 0:06:16 | |
her membership of the Leicester Progressive Spiritualist Church. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
In the early 1980s, Gladys was president of the church, | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
leading the congregation and even officiating at weddings. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
The current president, Marion, was married by her | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
and has fond memories of Gladys as a forceful member of the church community. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:35 | |
We all knew her as Whacker Willerton. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
We knew Gladys as Whacker Willerton | 0:06:38 | 0:06:43 | |
because she could be quite physical at times. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:48 | |
If there was somebody misbehaving in the service, she would think nothing | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
of picking up a hymn book and lobbing it across the room | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
to call them to attention. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
There were two sides to Gladys - the tough side and the very sensitive side. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:07 | |
She was very devoted to the church, to the people that came here. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:13 | |
The Spiritualist Movement came to prominence in America in the 1850s | 0:07:14 | 0:07:19 | |
when two sisters, Margaretta and Catherine Fox, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
claimed to have made contact with a spirit at their home in New York State. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:26 | |
With high rates of infant mortality at that time, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:30 | |
the idea of communicating with dead loved ones was very appealing | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
and, soon, groups of people were meeting to conduct seances. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
In her own church, Gladys often presided over these meetings | 0:07:37 | 0:07:41 | |
and was recognised as a very gifted medium and clairvoyant. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:46 | |
You cannot contact the dead. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:49 | |
That's not possible. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:50 | |
They have to contact you. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:52 | |
It's like a telephone line and, with Gladys, it was a very clear telephone line. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:58 | |
Whatever her gifts, it seemed that Gladys was loved and trusted | 0:07:58 | 0:08:02 | |
by her friends and fellow church members. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
When the chips were down, you could rely on Gladys. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:09 | |
You know, she was there for the people that came to the church and for her friends. | 0:08:09 | 0:08:16 | |
Indeed she was. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:18 | |
Back in the office, there's a bit of a buzz as more details of Gladys's life have emerged. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:26 | |
Gladys was born in Burnley in 1922. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
Her parents were Susannah Rushton and Thomas A Woods, | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
and she had a sister Amy who died in infancy. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
The team have also confirmed that Gladys married an Arthur Willerton in 1946. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
Only seven years after their marriage, disaster struck. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
On Coronation Day in 1953, Arthur was seriously injured in a motorbike accident, | 0:08:46 | 0:08:52 | |
and overnight, Gladys became the family breadwinner | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
and Arthur's carer until his death 30 years later. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
Bye. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
Research has turned up a copy of Arthur's will, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
which contains some very interesting information. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
I've established that the husband of the deceased died in 1983 | 0:09:07 | 0:09:12 | |
and he left £25,000 to the deceased. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
Now, £25,000 25 years ago... | 0:09:15 | 0:09:20 | |
may perhaps mean that there is a value on the estate. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
We're hoping sort of £40,000 to £50,000. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
This is good news for the Heir Hunters, and Bob has made another important break-through. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:32 | |
He managed to trace Arthur's sister and, after speaking to her | 0:09:32 | 0:09:35 | |
on the phone, he's solved the mystery of whether or not Gladys had any children. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:40 | |
She'd told the workers at the care home that she had four - | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
two boys and two girls - but there were no records to confirm this. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:49 | |
This lady was obviously a sister to the deceased's husband. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
She has informed me that the deceased had no children, definitely had no children. | 0:09:53 | 0:10:00 | |
She had five or six miscarriages, but certainly no children, | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
so we can now concentrate on going back through the mother's and father's family. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:09 | |
In the spiritualist religion, we believe that, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
when a woman has a miscarriage, the child continues to grow in the world of spirit. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
I do know that, when questioned about her children, | 0:10:19 | 0:10:24 | |
she totally closed up. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:28 | |
She wouldn't say anything. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
It's the end of the day. It's almost my bed-time, actually. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
No, I think now there's not a lot more I can do. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
It's been a frustratingly slow day for the Heir Hunters. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:44 | |
Bogged down with wrong turns and blind alleys, will tomorrow shed new light on this case? | 0:10:44 | 0:10:51 | |
-Good morning. -Later in the show, the hunt is on for the heirs | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
-to Gladys Willerton's estate, and now the leads are coming thick and fast. -We've got him. | 0:10:54 | 0:11:00 | |
Some cases stand out more than others, and when they came across the estate of Gillian Edwards, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:17 | |
the Heir Hunters were about to uncover an incredible story of hardship and family tragedy. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:24 | |
Gillian died on the 15th of August 2008 on the Isle of Wight, | 0:11:24 | 0:11:29 | |
leaving an estate worth £280,000, which included her house on the island. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:35 | |
Her neighbour Judy remembered her as a good friend and fellow dog-lover. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:40 | |
We moved here a couple of years ago and she became quite friendly | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
quite quickly, mainly through our two dogs, George and Wellington. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:50 | |
Everyone knew of Gillian but, at the same time, I think she was also | 0:11:50 | 0:11:54 | |
quite a private person, listening to what other people have said. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
When she was a little bit younger, she used to dress up quite... | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
quite fancy, I think. She'd put lots of jewellery on | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
and I think she was quite the lady. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
I used to go round there every day. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:12 | |
I wasn't really aware of any other family. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
There was pictures in there, but I don't know who they were. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:19 | |
It seemed clear that if Gillian had any surviving blood relations, | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
she wasn't in touch with them when she died, | 0:12:24 | 0:12:26 | |
and as she didn't leave a will, her £280,000 legacy | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
was on the verge of going straight to the Government. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:33 | |
Veteran heir hunter Dave Pacifico has seen his fair share of high-value estates, | 0:12:35 | 0:12:41 | |
but even by his standards, £280,000 was a lot of money to lie unclaimed. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:47 | |
The case, though, didn't get off to a good start. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
He couldn't find any record of a Gillian Violet Edwards. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
Although she was known as Gillian Violet, she was actually born | 0:12:53 | 0:12:59 | |
as Violet Gillian, so there's a slight variation on her name, | 0:12:59 | 0:13:05 | |
but nonetheless, we managed to identify a birth fairly early on | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
and, from that, we were able to start identifying other members of her family. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:14 | |
Once they had her birth certificate, they could now identify Gillian | 0:13:14 | 0:13:18 | |
by her real given name of Violet Gillian Kemp. | 0:13:18 | 0:13:21 | |
She was born in Hammersley Street in Bedworth, Warwickshire, in 1933. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
The family had recently moved from Mansfield into a brand-new | 0:13:26 | 0:13:31 | |
council house there to make a better life for themselves, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
while her father Arthur, a coal miner, is believed to have worked in the nearby Newdigate colliery. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:39 | |
A mining family moving here from where they'd been, would be delighted | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
because it would be a two or three-bedroomed house | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
with proper foundations, and a bathroom and toilet. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
Even so, for a family of five, six, seven children, it would still have | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
been a pretty tight squeeze, but a huge improvement on what they had before that. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:58 | |
The children lived and played together in the street, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
and were constantly in and out of each other's houses. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
Violet's next-door neighbour and childhood friend, Ennis Sparrow, still lives in the same house today. | 0:14:05 | 0:14:11 | |
She had a photograph of Violet, taken when they were young girls on a Sunday-school outing. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:17 | |
This was a Whit walk, | 0:14:17 | 0:14:19 | |
and I think maybe Violet Kemp would be about 16, something like that. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
Other Sunday schools, they all congregated | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
and the churches all walked together, and it was a nice experience. | 0:14:26 | 0:14:32 | |
We used to love it, really looked forward to it every year, you know. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
But that's the only one I've got of Violet, the only one I've ever had, I think. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
We didn't have our photographs taken that often - on special occasions. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:46 | |
And then you lose touch because they move away. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:50 | |
I was sad to hear she'd died. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:53 | |
For Violet Kemp and her friends, life as a teenager | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
in a Midlands mining town was very far removed from what it is today. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:03 | |
I think, for a modern generation, to step back would be a huge culture shock. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:10 | |
Televisions and iPods and all these other things that youngsters take for granted now did not exist, | 0:15:10 | 0:15:17 | |
and life was hard and work was hard, and hours were long and wages were low, | 0:15:17 | 0:15:22 | |
and employment was hazardous, | 0:15:22 | 0:15:24 | |
so there were all sorts of possible areas for disaster, really. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:29 | |
Families lived on the edge very often. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
The Newdigate colliery was notorious for its harsh conditions. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:36 | |
Ex-miners Tony Lloyd and Ken Tullis have lived in Bedworth | 0:15:36 | 0:15:39 | |
for over 50 years, and remember the hardships all too well. | 0:15:39 | 0:15:44 | |
Don't forget, men were still digging the coal out with picks and shovels | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
and what you had to was A - get the coal out | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
and then girder your own...to keep the roof up. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:57 | |
And you know, any danger of any slippage or anything, you really had to be careful. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
One slip of concentration when you were on these heavy jobs | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
and these accidents can happen. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:09 | |
Newdigate itself was finally shut down in 1982 as the coal industry began to contract. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:16 | |
Every trace of the colliery has since disappeared, | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
but for the miners themselves, old memories die hard. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:25 | |
It really is part of our heritage, and we never, never forget it. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
We mix with miners, you talk mining, you know, if you have a pint | 0:16:29 | 0:16:34 | |
with anybody in the club, so it's always with us. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
Memories. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:39 | |
Stories from close communities are very helpful to the Heir Hunters' investigations. | 0:16:41 | 0:16:46 | |
By now, they had established Violet's roots in Bedworth, but before exploring | 0:16:46 | 0:16:51 | |
her family tree any further, they had to rule out the possibility of her having any family of her own. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:58 | |
Early on in our research, we need to identify | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
who she was married to and whether or not there was more than one marriage, just to make sure | 0:17:02 | 0:17:08 | |
there's no really close family - in other words, confirming she had no children herself. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:13 | |
We identified that, although she died as Edwards, | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
she was actually first married to somebody called Bernard Holmes. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:21 | |
In fact, Violet was married three times, but she never had any children. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
She died a widow, so there's no surviving husband. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
We then identify the next closest family. Now, bearing in mind | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
her parents would have been long since deceased, | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
we were looking at the brothers and sisters. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:40 | |
Tracking down large extended families and multiple heirs | 0:17:40 | 0:17:44 | |
is in all in a day's work for the Heir Hunters, | 0:17:44 | 0:17:46 | |
but Dave wasn't prepared for what he discovered when he started to research Violet's siblings. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:51 | |
We identified the names and years of birth of her brothers | 0:17:51 | 0:17:56 | |
and sisters, and suddenly realised she came from a large family. | 0:17:56 | 0:18:00 | |
She had eleven brothers and sisters. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
A family as large as this would present a huge challenge for the Heir Hunters investigating the case, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:08 | |
but they couldn't have guessed the tragic events that they were about to uncover. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:12 | |
For every case that is solved, there are still thousands that remain a mystery. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
Currently, over 3,000 names drawn from across the country | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
are on the Treasury's unsolved case list. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
With estates valued at anything from 5,000 to millions of pounds, | 0:18:31 | 0:18:36 | |
the rightful heirs are out there somewhere. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
Today, we've got two cases Heir Hunters have so far failed to solve. Could you be the key? | 0:18:41 | 0:18:47 | |
Could you be in line for a pay-out? | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
Sidney George Alfred Dancey died in Bath on the 27th of July 2006. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:56 | |
Was Sidney a neighbour or work colleague? | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
Could you even be related to him and entitled to his legacy? | 0:18:59 | 0:19:04 | |
James Colin Joss passed away on the 9th of October 2006 in Leicester. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:10 | |
So far, every attempt to find his rightful heir has failed. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:15 | |
If no relatives can be found, his money will go to the Government, but could it be meant for you? | 0:19:15 | 0:19:21 | |
If the names George Dancey or James Joss mean anything to you | 0:19:24 | 0:19:28 | |
or someone you know, you could have a fortune coming your way. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
-Still to come on the show... -I want that marriage and then | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
I want to do an issue search from that marriage to September 1911. | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
The team are closing in on the heirs to what they hope | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
will be a £50,000 estate left by spiritualist Gladys Willerton. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:56 | |
Back on the Violet Kemp case, Dave had discovered that she was | 0:20:04 | 0:20:08 | |
one of 12 children, which was a huge family even by the standards of the day. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:14 | |
Arthur and Elsie Kemp had seven sons and five daughters. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
Three of them - Walter, Thomas and Phyllis - had died in infancy, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:23 | |
a tragic but all too common occurrence at that time. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
No sooner had the team confirmed the number of siblings that Violet grew up with when they came across | 0:20:28 | 0:20:33 | |
some new and disturbing evidence - three more death certificates for Violet's sisters, Rose and Evelyn, | 0:20:33 | 0:20:40 | |
and her brother Kenneth, who all died within a year of each other when they were young adults. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:45 | |
We subsequently found out from a member of the family | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
that the cause of death for these people that died in their teens was tuberculosis. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:58 | |
In the 1940s, Britain was in the grip of a TB epidemic so highly contagious | 0:20:58 | 0:21:05 | |
that it ripped through close-knit working communities, killing one out of every two people infected. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:11 | |
In Bedworth, the Kemp children contracted pulmonary TB, the most common strain of the disease. | 0:21:11 | 0:21:18 | |
This is the sort of X-ray that the persons who died | 0:21:18 | 0:21:22 | |
with pulmonary tuberculosis would have had, who died in the 1940s. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
Professor Peter Ormerod is the president of the British Thoracic Society | 0:21:26 | 0:21:31 | |
and has made a lifelong study of TB. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:33 | |
TB is a bacterial infection and it's passed by person-to-person spread. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:38 | |
Somebody with lung TB who's coughing out TB germs in the phlegm | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
will have droplets in the air that you can't see which will contain TB bacteria and those are inhaled. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:48 | |
If some other people inhale those bacteria, they will get infected, and some of the people | 0:21:48 | 0:21:53 | |
who are infected will go on and get disease and be ill. | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
You usually need fairly prolonged exposure to catch tuberculosis, and if you're living in a house | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
with somebody seven days a week, that's prolonged exposure. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:05 | |
Out of the surviving nine Kemp children, six of them contracted TB. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:11 | |
Jean Kemp, widow of Violet's brother Stan, remembers hearing about the family members affected. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:18 | |
They told me that there was a big thing with TB in the family | 0:22:18 | 0:22:23 | |
and a fair few of them contracted it, including my late husband. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:27 | |
I know Violet had to go to Hertford Hill for treatment. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:33 | |
Hertford Hill sanitorium in Warwickshire | 0:22:33 | 0:22:36 | |
was one of the many facilities that housed some of the 50,000 people that contracted TB every year. | 0:22:36 | 0:22:42 | |
Violet and other TB sufferers were sent to sanitoria | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
to be treated with a strict regime of bed rest and fresh air | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
to rest their damaged lungs and give them a chance to fight the disease. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:54 | |
Now, this is me in all my glory. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
This must've been taken late in 1948 or early 1949... | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
Like Violet, Herbert Williams | 0:23:01 | 0:23:03 | |
was only a teenager when he contracted TB and was sent to a Welsh sanitorium. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:09 | |
The fresh air was fulsome, was more than adequate, | 0:23:09 | 0:23:14 | |
because they had French windows in the ward I was in. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
They were always flung open, night and day. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
We had red bed jackets to wear, but it wasn't much help with the windows open all the time | 0:23:21 | 0:23:27 | |
and the freezing cold of a Brecon Beacons winter. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
For some patients, the only hope of survival was to undergo a horrific treatment | 0:23:29 | 0:23:35 | |
known as collapse therapy, where the lung was forcibly collapsed to deprive the TB bacteria of oxygen. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:41 | |
In the most agonising and dangerous of these procedures, | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
surgeons would break or remove up to eight of the patient's ribs. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
It's a bit like if you imagine taking a...when you take half a chicken, if you break all the ribs | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
off the breastbone and push on, the whole thing collapses in, and that's similar to what happened there. | 0:23:54 | 0:24:01 | |
Violet's brothers Stan and Arthur both underwent collapse therapy, | 0:24:02 | 0:24:07 | |
but the agonies of TB did not stop there. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:10 | |
Stan was affected by the disease for the rest of his life. | 0:24:10 | 0:24:14 | |
He had a big scar on his back | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
that sort of started | 0:24:20 | 0:24:22 | |
round by the rib cage, went round the back, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
and it ended up at the top of the shoulder. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
And in the summer, he would never take his clothes off. | 0:24:29 | 0:24:35 | |
He was very self-conscious about this scar and he said people would know | 0:24:35 | 0:24:40 | |
what he'd had as a child, and I think he was ashamed to a degree. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:45 | |
Sadly for Stan and other survivors who suffered from the stigma | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
of having had TB, there was escape from this cruel and misguided prejudice. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:56 | |
If I'd have told my step-father that Stan had had TB, | 0:24:56 | 0:25:02 | |
he would've been banned from the home. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
Like Violet, Stan and Arthur eventually recovered. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:09 | |
Their sister Rose, who died in Hertford Hill, | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
and Evelyn and Kenneth, who died at home in Bedworth, were not so lucky. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:16 | |
TB had decimated the Kemp family. | 0:25:16 | 0:25:20 | |
It was just a tragedy, and other families were the same. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:25 | |
They were just wiped out with this. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:27 | |
It seemed that, by the time she died, Violet had left any trace | 0:25:30 | 0:25:35 | |
of her difficult childhood and humble beginnings far behind her. | 0:25:35 | 0:25:39 | |
At her death, Violet was a very wealthy woman, | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
but she had also completely lost touch with her family, so who stood to inherit her £280,000 estate? | 0:25:42 | 0:25:50 | |
We knew almost certainly there had to be some close kin still alive. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
It would've been very unusual if all the eleven had died without children, | 0:25:57 | 0:26:02 | |
and we suspected maybe a very large number of nephews and nieces. | 0:26:02 | 0:26:07 | |
When estates are divided up between siblings, the money is split equally between them. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:14 | |
Any descendants of deceased siblings will then carve up their father or mother's share. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
In Violet's case, the estate was split four ways. | 0:26:19 | 0:26:23 | |
Half went to her two siblings, a quarter was split between her | 0:26:23 | 0:26:27 | |
brother Alfred's three children, and the final quarter went to the descendants of her brother Stan. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:33 | |
That was your dad many years ago, before I even knew him. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:42 | |
Stan and Jean's daughter Jane was amazed when she heard | 0:26:42 | 0:26:46 | |
she was going to inherit money from an aunt she barely knew. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
I didn't really know what to think at the time. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:52 | |
It was just a bit of a shock. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:54 | |
I met her at my dad's funeral. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:56 | |
She asked me who I was, and I told her that I was Stan's daughter. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
I've heard stories about her, but I didn't know her, | 0:27:00 | 0:27:04 | |
so I was just surprised to be getting any cash from it, really. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:09 | |
I wanted to pay my mortgage off with whatever I get. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
It'll make me better off! | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
I'll have some money to spend on myself for a change. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
Jane also had a sister Susan, who sadly passed away when she was only 33, leaving two children, | 0:27:18 | 0:27:25 | |
Adam and Lauren, the final two heirs to Violet's legacy. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
Heir-hunter David Pacifico remembers the moment when he first contacted the family. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:36 | |
I felt better that we could tell them some good news, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
but it was awful to find out, speaking to the family, | 0:27:39 | 0:27:43 | |
that they'd a traumatic loss with the death of their mother at a very, very young age. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:48 | |
How many did I do? | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
Both Adam and Lauren are legally classified as minors, | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
so all contact has been through their father Trevor. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
I was told by my dad that my great-aunt | 0:28:03 | 0:28:08 | |
Violet | 0:28:08 | 0:28:10 | |
had passed away and some of the money that she'd left had been divided by the blood relatives. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:18 | |
It was shocking, | 0:28:18 | 0:28:21 | |
just it appearing out of the blue without knowing who she is. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:26 | |
Hearing about their inheritance made the children think about | 0:28:28 | 0:28:32 | |
what life was like for their great-aunt and her family. | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
I think it would be quite different for Violet and her brothers and sisters | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
cos they wouldn't be able to eat a lot of food and do what we do | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
and go out, cos they'd have to be in when the bombs came and stuff. | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
I felt as if I wanted to find out more about her... | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
..and where the Isles of Wight is. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
For Violet's great-niece and great-nephew, their share of the £280,000 | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
inheritance is an opportunity that won't be going to waste. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:08 | |
I've restricted them to just having £100 each to spend on they want, and then put the | 0:29:09 | 0:29:16 | |
rest of the money away so they can use it in the future for something more beneficial in their lives. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:22 | |
We'll never know why Violet didn't leave a will but, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:27 | |
thanks to the Heir Hunters' successful investigations, | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
her money will now go on to benefit future generations. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:34 | |
Fraser & Fraser have been investigating the case of Gladys Willerton, | 0:29:43 | 0:29:49 | |
a gifted medium and clairvoyant who died aged 86. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
After initial doubts that her estate would be worth very much, the team uncovered a bequest | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
from her late husband, which means it could be worth a lot more. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
We're hoping sort of £40,000 to £50,000. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
Now that the case looks like being more valuable, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
Frasers have decided to unleash one of their travelling Heir Hunters to help speed up the investigation. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:13 | |
Gladys's family were all based in Burnley | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
so, as Dave Mansell is already in the area, | 0:30:19 | 0:30:21 | |
he's heading over to Preston register office to gather any information he can find. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:26 | |
-Morning. -Back in the office, manager Frances Brett has taken over the investigation. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:35 | |
Hi, Alan, I understand you've got this Willerton job. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:39 | |
And the first thing she does | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
is get up to speed on the latest developments from her colleague Alan, who'll be working with her. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:47 | |
A routine check of the 1911 census has revealed a tantalising fact | 0:30:47 | 0:30:53 | |
that could provide the breakthrough that the team so badly needs. | 0:30:53 | 0:30:56 | |
It seems that Gladys's mother Susannah | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
was married to a John Thomas Kay and that they had a child. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:04 | |
If Dave can find a record for this child, then the Heir Hunters will have found a half-sister or brother | 0:31:05 | 0:31:10 | |
for Gladys and the new lead that they've been looking for. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:15 | |
It will be a lot easier to follow up a child born | 0:31:15 | 0:31:21 | |
between 1907 and 1911 | 0:31:21 | 0:31:26 | |
rather than have to go back to the 1870s, | 0:31:26 | 0:31:30 | |
'80s and '90s, | 0:31:30 | 0:31:32 | |
so fingers crossed. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
With such a strong lead to pursue, the team is hoping that Dave can get some results fast. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:41 | |
Sunny Preston. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:43 | |
One of the things that can make or break a case is quick access to official records. | 0:31:43 | 0:31:48 | |
Dave has been working for Frasers for many years | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
and he's on very good terms with the ladies in the Preston register office. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
This couple, John T Kay and Susannah Rushton, married in 1907 in Burnley, | 0:31:57 | 0:32:03 | |
so I want that marriage and then I want to do an issue search from that marriage to September 1911. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
-Right. So any particular district? -No, all districts. -Right. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
Dave is looking for every child with the surname Kay who was born | 0:32:11 | 0:32:16 | |
in the area, but with a relatively common surname like that, it can be a long and arduous process. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:23 | |
These index books have been going for some considerable time because that's how they end up. | 0:32:23 | 0:32:28 | |
Once he's got a list of names, he can then access the birth certificates and see if the parents' | 0:32:28 | 0:32:34 | |
names match those of Gladys's mother and her first husband. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
That's the first district I've done. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:39 | |
There's 29 on there that need verified. That's the first district! | 0:32:39 | 0:32:44 | |
He's found around 70 possible births, but so far no-one that could be Susannah's son. | 0:32:44 | 0:32:51 | |
The 1911 census that they've got access to in the London office | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
is not always 100 per cent reliable, so Dave needs to find | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
a birth certificate to prove a child did exist and keep the investigation alive. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:04 | |
Well, if there's no children, the likelihood that there are any descendants from which heirs... | 0:33:04 | 0:33:09 | |
would result would seem slim. | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
-There you go. -Finally, he gets the news he's been hoping for. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:17 | |
-Thank you. -Milton. Posh name. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
It is a posh name, isn't it? Milton Kay. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
-Milton Kay. -That's great. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:24 | |
Dave has been able to prove that Gladys did have an elder | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
half-brother called Milton Kay, who was born in 1908. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
When his father died and his mother married again, it's likely that 12-year-old Milton moved with her. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:38 | |
Two years later, Gladys was born. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:42 | |
There are no photos of the two of them from their childhood, but could they have grown up together? | 0:33:42 | 0:33:47 | |
Yeah? | 0:33:58 | 0:33:59 | |
Back in London, the team has been working hard as well, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
and they've also come across the name Milton. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
-PHONE RINGS -Here's Dave. Hi, there. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:10 | |
Have you? Is it called Milton? Do you know, | 0:34:10 | 0:34:13 | |
I was... So hot off the... | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
I was just literally this second got off the phone to Alan... | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
Frances tells Dave that Alan has found Gladys's mother's | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
death certificate and her son Milton Kay is listed as the informant. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
We've got him, and he's just going back inside now to order a copy of his death. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:33 | |
As Milton was 46 when his mother died, it's very probable | 0:34:33 | 0:34:38 | |
that he too is dead, but Frances is keen to see who the informant was on HIS death certificate. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:45 | |
Let's hope the informant is a child, and that that child's still alive. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:52 | |
It's not long before Dave has got his hands on the proof. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
Right, Milton Kay, a textile warper, retired. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:02 | |
-Textile warper? -Yeah. -You've got your warp and your weft, haven't you? | 0:35:02 | 0:35:07 | |
Yeah. Well, this one was a warper. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
-OK. -And the informant was son Donald Hamilton Kay who was present at the death. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:15 | |
The pieces are falling into place. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
Milton Kay was married to Violet Heseltine | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
and they had a son Donald, born in 1930, who would've been Gladys's half-nephew. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:27 | |
That means that Donald was only eight years younger than Gladys. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:33 | |
Could they have known each other? | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
Sadly, a quick search reveals that Donald passed away in 1984, | 0:35:35 | 0:35:40 | |
but the team has discovered that he did get married to Joan, and here they uncover good news... | 0:35:40 | 0:35:46 | |
-Hi, there. -..which Fran is quick to pass on to Dave. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
Joan - she's still alive. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:52 | |
Joan won't be eligible to inherit because she's not a blood relative, | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
but then comes the news they've all been waiting for. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
They have two children, Margaret J Kay. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:04 | |
There is another child, Richard M Kay. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
Bingo! The Heir Hunters have found their heirs, but they still don't know | 0:36:08 | 0:36:13 | |
where Richard and Margaret live. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:15 | |
However, Frances does have an address for Joan, their mother. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
Dave wasn't far away, so he hot-foots it over there. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
Hi, sorry to bother you. Are you Joan Kay? | 0:36:22 | 0:36:25 | |
Hi, my name's David Mansell. I work for a firm of probate researchers by the name of Fraser & Fraser. | 0:36:25 | 0:36:30 | |
What's happened is, a member of the family | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
has died intestate, | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
and your daughter Margaret and your son Richard will be heirs to the estate. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:42 | |
-Really? -Yeah. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
Now, did Margaret marry Ian Rumson? | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
-Yes. -Where is she? Where does she live? | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
-She lives in Burnley. -Does she? -Yes. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:52 | |
Have you got an address? | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
Does your son Richard work? | 0:36:55 | 0:36:57 | |
Richard works at Otham, yes. | 0:36:57 | 0:36:59 | |
Dave's finally cracked his case. He can now contact the heirs in person, | 0:36:59 | 0:37:04 | |
and hopefully help them to submit a claim for their inheritance. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:07 | |
-I've inherited quite a... -Ohh! | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
It turns out that Joan has been working on the family tree herself, | 0:37:12 | 0:37:17 | |
and she offers to show Dave some old papers. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:21 | |
Can I look at that piece of paper? | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
-Thank you. -I've been trying to fathom out from that. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:26 | |
It lists all the family members who attended Gladys's mother's funeral. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:30 | |
Right, let's make a note of this. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:33 | |
Most of the names have already been checked out, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:36 | |
but a couple of unfamiliar ones are troubling Dave. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:39 | |
Who are Rupert and Margaret? | 0:37:39 | 0:37:41 | |
Could they be a missing half-sister or brother to Gladys? | 0:37:43 | 0:37:47 | |
Thanks very much. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:51 | |
Before they can settle the case, the Heir Hunters need to be certain | 0:37:51 | 0:37:54 | |
that they've not missed any close kin. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
What we've read is a cut-out from the newspaper, and it's very, very confusing. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:04 | |
This new development has left Frances feeling uneasy. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
I don't like a mystery. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
-Is her surname Rupert? -No. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:16 | |
-There can't be too many Ruperts in Burnley, can there? -No. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
We're just...covering our backs that Rupert isn't... | 0:38:20 | 0:38:25 | |
another sibling of Gladys that we haven't...discovered as yet. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:31 | |
There he is. Rupert Rushton. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:33 | |
Do you reckon that's him? | 0:38:33 | 0:38:34 | |
Let's have a look. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:36 | |
-Yeah. -That's it. -That's it. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:39 | |
He's a distant cousin. Yeah, we've just identified this Rupert. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:43 | |
He has the deceased mother's maiden name, | 0:38:43 | 0:38:45 | |
so he's probably a distant cousin which won't affect our research. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:49 | |
As Gladys's cousin, | 0:38:49 | 0:38:50 | |
Rupert is less eligible to inherit than her half-brother Milton, | 0:38:50 | 0:38:55 | |
so he, Margaret and any of their descendants | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
are now out of the picture. | 0:38:58 | 0:39:00 | |
The Heir Hunters have finally traced Gladys's complete family tree, | 0:39:03 | 0:39:07 | |
and confirm that the true heirs to her estate are Margaret and Richard, | 0:39:07 | 0:39:12 | |
Gladys's great-niece and nephew. | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
It's a satisfying end to the search, | 0:39:17 | 0:39:19 | |
and instead of disappearing into the Treasury, | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
Gladys's legacy will now be passed down to her family. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
Whether the great-niece and great-nephew | 0:39:27 | 0:39:32 | |
will know anything about Gladys, | 0:39:32 | 0:39:35 | |
I don't know. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:37 | |
It'll be interesting to know | 0:39:37 | 0:39:39 | |
whether the two halves of Susannah's family did maintain contact. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:45 | |
Like all the relatives that the Heir Hunters track down, | 0:39:46 | 0:39:50 | |
Gladys's great-niece Margaret was shocked | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
when she heard that she was going to inherit some money. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
It was quite surprising, really. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
It was my mum who'd rung and said David had called on my mum, | 0:39:59 | 0:40:03 | |
and Mum said, "You might have inherited some money from a relative, | 0:40:03 | 0:40:08 | |
"a distant relative that we didn't know about." | 0:40:08 | 0:40:12 | |
We had a vague idea who Gladys was | 0:40:12 | 0:40:16 | |
but we didn't really know properly. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:20 | |
We've put it all together now | 0:40:20 | 0:40:23 | |
and realise that Gladys was my granddad's half-sister. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
Yeah, looking at that photograph, | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
that's Gladys with my dad Donald, which would be... | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
What they didn't realise was that, all along, | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
Joan had an old photograph of Gladys on the beach | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
with Margaret's dad Donald. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:42 | |
There must have been a time when the two sides of the family were close, | 0:40:42 | 0:40:46 | |
but something changed. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:47 | |
My granddad was a very big church-goer | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
and he was a member of the church choir in the Church of England, | 0:40:51 | 0:40:56 | |
but it looks like Gladys went off | 0:40:56 | 0:40:59 | |
towards the spiritual side of the church, which maybe... | 0:40:59 | 0:41:04 | |
you know, my granddad being set in his ways, | 0:41:04 | 0:41:09 | |
didn't approve of her going, and that may have caused the rift | 0:41:09 | 0:41:14 | |
in the family. | 0:41:14 | 0:41:17 | |
With not having any children of her own, | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
it just seems quite sad that she was all on her own, really. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:25 | |
We could've been visiting and, you know, | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
phoning and writing letters to her, | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
but we didn't know. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:35 | |
Gladys may have missed out on knowing this side of her family, | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
but it's good to know that her adopted family | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
in the spiritualist church were there for her at the end. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
They did their utmost to give her a really lovely service | 0:41:46 | 0:41:50 | |
in the way that she would've liked it. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
We don't wear black, we wear the brightest colours. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
It's not a sad occasion at all. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
It's a celebration of her life and then a celebration | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
of the fact that she's now moved upwards and onwards. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
This is how many relatives that you've found at the moment - 190. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:15 | |
And this is only really part of the family, isn't it? | 0:42:15 | 0:42:19 | |
Finding out about her long-lost great-aunt | 0:42:19 | 0:42:22 | |
has awakened her interest in the family history | 0:42:22 | 0:42:24 | |
and the work that her mum's been doing on the family tree. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
So it'll be quite massive when I've finished it. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
Now we've got a few more dates and names, | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
whereby my mum had come to a full stop, | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
she can now carry on and hopefully build up | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
the family tree on Gladys's side. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:42 | |
We can go further than that, really. | 0:42:42 | 0:42:45 | |
We can work together on it | 0:42:45 | 0:42:47 | |
and build it up together. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:51 | |
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