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Every year, thousands of people die without leaving a will. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
If a relative doesn't come forward, the deceased's estate will fall into the hands of the government. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:11 | |
Tracking down these long-lost families is a job for the Heir Hunters. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:16 | |
Today, the Heir Hunters take on the case of a man who was a mystery in his own village. | 0:00:31 | 0:00:38 | |
He wouldn't say a great lot. He was quite reserved. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
We did know that he wasn't married, but as for any other family, he never spoke of them at all. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:50 | |
And in Blackpool, a bachelor's £55,000 estate reunites his family | 0:00:50 | 0:00:55 | |
after over 40 years apart. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
-You've got nothing to feel guilty about. You can't do anything about something you didn't know about. -No. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:04 | |
And we'll have details of hundreds of thousands of pounds of unclaimed estates held by the Treasury. | 0:01:04 | 0:01:10 | |
Could you be a rightful heir and in line for a windfall? | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
In the UK, two-thirds of people don't have a valid will. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
If they die with no obvious relatives, their money goes to the government | 0:01:21 | 0:01:27 | |
who last year made a staggering £18 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
That's where the Heir Hunters step in. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
I'm trying to speak to Lillian. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:38 | |
There are more than 30 heir-hunting companies who track down the rightful kin. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:44 | |
Last year alone, they claimed back £6.5 million for unsuspecting heirs who would have gone empty-handed. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:51 | |
These sort of investigations are a bit of an adventure. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:56 | |
There's obviously a start and a finish and the bit that goes in between can be very unpredictable. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:03 | |
It's Thursday morning and overnight the Treasury has released the new names of recent unclaimed estates, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:13 | |
but heir-hunting company Fraser & Fraser's offices are unusually calm. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:18 | |
It was a Bank Holiday this week, so that's why the list is a bit smaller than it is usually. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:24 | |
I really would have hoped to have at least two or three cases to work. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
We haven't. We're now starting to look at really our secondary sort of cases | 0:02:28 | 0:02:34 | |
and try to send people out and utilise the staff we've got. | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
But despite his early misgivings, one case has caught Neil's eye. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
It's the death of a 92-year-old Charles Reynolds in Staffordshire. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:47 | |
He hands it over to his longest-serving case manager, David Pacifico, | 0:02:47 | 0:02:53 | |
a man with over 37 years' worth of heir-hunting experience. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:57 | |
-You're so good. -Thank you. -Once you get the name, yeah. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
Very little information has come from the Treasury regarding Charles Reynolds' estate, | 0:03:01 | 0:03:07 | |
so the team cross-reference his name, looking for leads in the Staffordshire area. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:12 | |
Ringing around and making neighbour enquiries sometimes allows the Heir Hunters to get ahead. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:19 | |
Researcher Debbie has already managed to track down someone | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
who may have been a neighbour to Charles Reynolds. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
She doesn't know if he owned the property. He was an only child. It was the family home for years. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:32 | |
-That might be worth pursuing if we know what that address was. -Yeah. -An old family home. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:39 | |
This new information is music to David's ears. If this is the Charles Reynolds they're hunting | 0:03:39 | 0:03:45 | |
and he owned the family's home, it could mean a sizeable estate. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
The team have to act fast | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
as Fraser & Fraser are in competition with other companies to track down possible heirs. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:57 | |
OK. Bye. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
Neil quickly contacts one of the company's many travelling Heir Hunters | 0:03:59 | 0:04:04 | |
who are based all over the UK. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
I've asked Paul to try and pick up his death to see what he can find out. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
Little query about the addresses. I'm not sure the address we've found is the right one. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:17 | |
Ex-policeman Paul Matthews is one of Fraser & Fraser's squadron of travellers | 0:04:17 | 0:04:24 | |
who are willing to go wherever a case takes them. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
Their job is to follow the clues and sniff out potential heirs | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
to inform them of their deceased relative's estate. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:36 | |
If the heirs sign up with them, the company earns a percentage of the inheritance. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:42 | |
My only task is to go to the register office, pick up the death, find out where this chap lived | 0:04:43 | 0:04:50 | |
and then probably go and make an enquiry there. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
We don't know the value of the estate. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:55 | |
The first thing we have to do is find out if the estate is commercially viable to try and find relatives. | 0:04:55 | 0:05:02 | |
Getting their hands on the death certificate will allow David | 0:05:03 | 0:05:07 | |
to confirm not only Charles's date of birth and address, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
but also who the informant of his death was. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
An informant is generally a relative who was present at the time of death | 0:05:13 | 0:05:18 | |
and can provide all the details the certificate requires. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:21 | |
If it's a family member on Charles's certificate, the team could be well on their way to finding an heir. | 0:05:21 | 0:05:28 | |
Back at the office, despite having very little to work with, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:31 | |
the team is trying their hardest to get a head start. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:35 | |
He'd be born circa 1918 if he was 90. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
-So how many Charles Reynolds born about 1918? -Yeah. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
Using the 1911 Census, the team get stuck in. The census is a vital resource to the Heir Hunters. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:51 | |
It's a national survey conducted every ten years | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
that can tell you the names, ages and genders of people living at an address at the time of the survey. | 0:05:55 | 0:06:02 | |
But the sheer amount of information it provides can be overwhelming. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
I'm trying to find the birth of Charles Reynolds. There's quite a lot of them. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:11 | |
With Reynolds being such a common family name, the Heir Hunters hit a brick wall. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:17 | |
I think we should just hold back until we find out... | 0:06:17 | 0:06:20 | |
First, we need his date of birth and two, we need the death certificate | 0:06:20 | 0:06:25 | |
which will have his date of birth and his address and the informant. | 0:06:25 | 0:06:29 | |
-So are you OK to hang on for...? -I think so. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
You're not going to be able to... You can't identify family from this, from no date of birth. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:40 | |
For the office it's a frustrating start, | 0:06:40 | 0:06:43 | |
but in Staffordshire, travelling Heir Hunter Paul has arrived at the register office. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:48 | |
-Any chance of getting that today? -It would be £17. -That's all right. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:53 | |
Paul secures Charles's death certificate and immediately feeds back the information to the office. | 0:06:53 | 0:07:00 | |
He died in Stafford Hospital and they are the informant. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
This is not an encouraging start in the hunt for any heirs. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
The team were hoping to find a close family member as the informant, | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
but it's a stranger who can't give them any information. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
Despite this setback, the team's earlier research on the electoral roll could be about to pay off. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:21 | |
The name of a possible neighbour to Charles has come to light. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
We're trying to trace relatives of Charles Reynolds | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
and I was told that a Peter Taylor knew the deceased in question | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
and may have arranged the funeral and so forth. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:37 | |
I don't know. Would that be yourself...? Charles Reynolds. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:40 | |
David quickly finds out there could be a possible heir. | 0:07:40 | 0:07:44 | |
Peter Taylor knew Charles well. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
In her 90s. No idea where this cousin was, whether she was in the Staffordshire area or...? | 0:07:47 | 0:07:53 | |
But any hope of a large estate starts to dwindle | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
as David digs deeper. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
He rented it, did he? I take it he was not married? | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
Did he live with his parents until they died or...? | 0:08:03 | 0:08:07 | |
From talking to the neighbour, a picture has started to emerge of a solitary man | 0:08:07 | 0:08:13 | |
who was as much a fixture in his village as the post office or pub. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
He was regularly spotted doing his errands on his beloved bike. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
Very little is known about Charles as he outlived most of his peers | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
and this is the only photo of him that has come to light. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:30 | |
Charles was always a well-dressed person and very polite. | 0:08:30 | 0:08:34 | |
He was always a very pleasant, inoffensive sort of person. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:37 | |
He wouldn't say boo to a goose. He was a really nice chap. And that's how we'll always remember him. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:44 | |
He used to have a tipple at the pub. | 0:08:44 | 0:08:46 | |
At ten o'clock at night, he'd be on the dot there, drinking three pints of Guinness. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:52 | |
That was every night. Obviously, he'd have a chat with one or two of the locals. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:58 | |
He didn't socialise much, other than that, other than going to the local pub. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
And he didn't look his age. If he was 92, I don't believe he was 92. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
He didn't look nowhere near 92, you know? | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
Obviously, it's the stout that was keeping him going! | 0:09:10 | 0:09:15 | |
It seems people knew Charles's habits, just not that much about the man himself. | 0:09:17 | 0:09:23 | |
What was his occupation until he retired, do you know? | 0:09:23 | 0:09:27 | |
Uh-huh... | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
Despite keeping himself to himself in his later years, Charles had led a busy working life. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:40 | |
The majority of his career, he was a boiler man at Cannock Police Station | 0:09:40 | 0:09:45 | |
and finally retired aged 72. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
From the outside, his rented cottage looks in good order, | 0:09:47 | 0:09:51 | |
but inside, it was a different matter. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:54 | |
Like many of his generation, Charles didn't like to ask for hand-outs. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:58 | |
For Adrian Eggington, a director for South Staffordshire Housing Association, | 0:09:58 | 0:10:03 | |
it's an all too common problem. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
Charles didn't really ask for help. He was a proud, independent man, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
which is quite similar to a lot of our elderly clients. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:14 | |
We were asked to go out and fit an alarm in Charles's home and we went out to see him, | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
realised that his accommodation wasn't particularly good | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
and that he had extra needs that we could provide for at Riverside House. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
At that point, he was happy to then move in here and receive support from us. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:32 | |
So, aged 90, Charles moved into Housing Association accommodation, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
leaving behind the cottages he and his parents had shared their entire lives. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:42 | |
This new information is bad news for the Heir Hunters. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:49 | |
With no property attached to Charles's estate, the signs point to it having little monetary value. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:55 | |
But on such a quiet day, Paul is told still to retrieve the parents' death certificates. | 0:10:55 | 0:11:01 | |
If they came from small families, generally meaning fewer heirs, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
the case may still be worth it for Frasers, but only if they can wrap it up quickly. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:11 | |
-His dad was Joseph Reynolds. -Joseph Reynolds, yeah. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
His mum was Martha Ann - without the E - Reynolds, formerly Ellis. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:20 | |
-Yeah. -Dad was a farm labourer. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
-Yeah. -And the mum was informant and they lived at Castle Street, Eccleshall. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:28 | |
Back in the office, the team cannot find the birth of Charles's mother, Martha Ann Reynolds, on the census. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:35 | |
The facts just don't add up. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
But that's... | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
That's the wrong census. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
Well, it's the only census that goes with Joseph being a son of Samuel... | 0:11:43 | 0:11:48 | |
-There's only one census that comes up. -Can we look up the birth of Joseph Reynolds? | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
Yeah, I'm doing it here. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:55 | |
I think I want to cry! | 0:11:55 | 0:11:58 | |
Later on, David gets a break and one step closer to an heir. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:07 | |
-We're happy we've got the right family, yes? -Well... -We can't find anything better, can we? -No. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:14 | |
Heir-hunting companies don't always begin their cases | 0:12:19 | 0:12:23 | |
from the names posted on the Treasury's Bona Vacantia website. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
Sometimes they are approached to solve cases where everyone else has failed. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:32 | |
Walter Darling was 69 years old. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
He lived alone and died in his bed. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
Every year in the UK, 350,000 people pass away without leaving a will | 0:12:40 | 0:12:46 | |
and Walter Darling was no exception. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
He left just the remaining contents of his bank account. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:52 | |
To those who knew him, Walter was a friendly, dry-humoured old man, | 0:12:52 | 0:12:57 | |
but a man they really knew very little about. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:00 | |
Known locally simply as The Squirrel Man, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
he'd spend days studying and feeding the animals in his local park. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:07 | |
The £55,000 estate he left would have ended up in the Treasury's coffers, | 0:13:07 | 0:13:13 | |
had it not been for Jeremy Ford, a senior case manager at Hoopers, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:17 | |
one of the country's leading heir-hunting companies. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:21 | |
This is the case of Walter Darling that landed on my desk some time ago, a solicitors' referral case. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:28 | |
The solicitors brought it to our attention for the simple reason | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
that they were having difficulty in solving the investigation. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:36 | |
We're to identify and trace lawful heirs who would be entitled to share in Walter's unclaimed estate. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:43 | |
This is a copy of Walter's birth certificate, born the 20th of December, 1938. | 0:13:43 | 0:13:48 | |
Shows his father's name Henry and the father's occupation, quite unusual, an amusement caterer. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:54 | |
Despite the paperwork showing Walter's parents married in Ipswich, | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
the trail soon leads to the coast. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
With his father's job associated with funfairs and showbiz, | 0:14:01 | 0:14:06 | |
the bright lights of Blackpool's Golden Mile was the perfect place to try and make your fortune. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:12 | |
There would seem to ambitious people | 0:14:12 | 0:14:14 | |
to be business opportunities in Blackpool. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:17 | |
Many people would have wanted to try running guesthouses and small hotels. | 0:14:17 | 0:14:23 | |
Others would have seen opportunities in amusements and entertaining. | 0:14:23 | 0:14:27 | |
Walter's family would have been settled in Blackpool just as World War Two broke out, | 0:14:27 | 0:14:32 | |
but what meant chaos for the rest of Britain meant boom times for Blackpool. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
During the war in Blackpool, we had over three-quarters of a million RAF recruits | 0:14:37 | 0:14:43 | |
who had their initial training in town. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
If you add to that the impact of the Americans based at the nearby Warton air base | 0:14:46 | 0:14:52 | |
who came to Blackpool for their entertainment and recreation, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
there would have been thousands of them in town. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
Many people had money to spend, no shortage of things to spend it on, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:04 | |
a real melting pot of people coming together, a very exciting place to be. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:09 | |
Worse places to spend the war than Blackpool. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:13 | |
Walter would have grown up amid the excitement of wartime Blackpool, | 0:15:13 | 0:15:17 | |
but his childhood, much like his adult life, was a mystery to those who knew him best. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:23 | |
His long-term friend Lisa Savickis remembers how this rascally old man became a fixture in her home | 0:15:23 | 0:15:29 | |
after initially befriending him at the local newsagent. | 0:15:29 | 0:15:33 | |
Walter worked out that I was living here | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
and decided he would frequent every single morning with his paper, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:41 | |
followed by "Can I have a cup of tea and can we do the crossword?" | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
And we just used to sit and talk, do the puzzles. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:48 | |
He liked it. He was comfortable here. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
And it just sort of went on from there. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:55 | |
He was just there, he was just my friend. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:59 | |
He was just part and parcel of my life every single morning. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
As a regular presence in their home for over seven years, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
Walter also inspired Lisa's son Kieran to study the natural world, | 0:16:07 | 0:16:13 | |
a subject very close to Walter's heart. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
Walter used to help me with my homework. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
We did something on rocks and minerals and Walter took me down to the library one day | 0:16:19 | 0:16:25 | |
and got me a book on rocks and minerals and made me study it, so I knew what they were. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:30 | |
But despite Walter's drive to teach and inspire, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
he never spoke to Lisa or Kieran about having had children of his own or any family full stop. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:39 | |
Heir Hunter Jeremy soon discovered this was anything but the case. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:45 | |
We established that Walter was one of seven children of his mother Frances. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
Of that number, there's three still alive. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
One was adopted away from the family | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
and one we established was half-blood because there's no father stated on the birth certificate. | 0:16:56 | 0:17:03 | |
And unfortunately, the seventh child died a number of years ago without any children. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:10 | |
The research showed that when Walter died, | 0:17:10 | 0:17:14 | |
he had three living heirs to his £55,000 estate. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:17 | |
But as Jeremy started to track down his siblings, the tragic history of the Darling family began to emerge. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:23 | |
As the matter developed, we started making more phone calls, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
one of which was to Walter's sister Muriel. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
And she told me the story of the various children being brought up in homes around Blackpool | 0:17:34 | 0:17:41 | |
when they were very young, which seemed a bit strange | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
because, as far as we were aware and we proved this, the mother was still alive, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:50 | |
so something clearly was going quite wrong with the family, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
coupled with the fact that Muriel had no specific knowledge of other members of her family, | 0:17:54 | 0:18:00 | |
in particular, her four blood siblings. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
Muriel Dawson, Walter's younger sister and now heir, spent her youth in a children's home. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:10 | |
She was taken into care aged just three. | 0:18:10 | 0:18:13 | |
I remember being sort of...held. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
And sort of, um... | 0:18:18 | 0:18:21 | |
..put through this hatch. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:26 | |
And the next thing I remember was being in a bath and it was very hot. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:31 | |
And from there on, I don't really remember anything, apart from going into the children's home. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:37 | |
Muriel was placed in the care of Grundy Children's Home, | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
originally founded by a local figure, Sir Cuthbert Grundy. | 0:18:43 | 0:18:47 | |
He was best known for his artwork, | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
but he also became a philanthropist. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
Sir Cuthbert Grundy was a man who had a big belief in humanity. | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
He believed that you should always help people where you could. | 0:18:59 | 0:19:03 | |
Jeremy knew from the records that at least three of Frances Darling's children were put into care, | 0:19:03 | 0:19:09 | |
but at the time this didn't include Walter. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
Even at this early stage, the family began to grow apart. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
My brothers were in the home when I got there. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
I didn't really know who they were at first | 0:19:23 | 0:19:26 | |
until I got older, I got to find out who they were. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:30 | |
Muriel and her brothers stayed in care until their teens. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:35 | |
In post-war Britain, homes like Grundy's were essential, | 0:19:35 | 0:19:39 | |
but left young people like Muriel strangers to their own families. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
My mother sent me a birthday card with her address on it. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:48 | |
And...you know, so I thought, "Right, well, I'll follow this up." | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
I was 18. So I thought I'd follow this up. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:57 | |
And I went round to see her and I knocked on the door. | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
And this lad came to the door. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:04 | |
And I said, "Is Mrs Darling in, please?" | 0:20:05 | 0:20:09 | |
And he shouted out, "Mum, it's for you!" | 0:20:10 | 0:20:14 | |
That was the first thing I remember of Walter. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:18 | |
She was rather taken with drink. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
I wasn't impressed. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
You know, it was... There was nothing there...sort of thing. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:29 | |
No sort of feeling. It was just a case of, "Oh, I'm in my mum's house and with my mum." | 0:20:29 | 0:20:34 | |
That was it really. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
From that moment on, Muriel was to find her own way in the world | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
and steadily lost all contact with the family she had never really known. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:46 | |
I've got no photographs. Nothing. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
Not of my family. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:52 | |
None of my nephews or nieces or whatever I may have. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:56 | |
You know, I've got absolutely nothing | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
from my sort of former life, so to speak. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:06 | |
I don't know what my father looks like. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
So I really... If I could possibly get hold of some, I would really like some photographs of the family. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:18 | |
That's it. | 0:21:21 | 0:21:23 | |
That's my life in a nutshell. | 0:21:23 | 0:21:26 | |
When speaking with Muriel, it became very clear during our conversation | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
that for over 30, 40 years, there was no contact at all with any of the siblings | 0:21:34 | 0:21:40 | |
and amazingly, there was one sibling, a sister, in particular, that she never, ever knew existed. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:46 | |
Despite this good news about her long-lost sister Jenny, | 0:21:46 | 0:21:50 | |
it was still a bitter pill for Muriel to swallow. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
It brought home the fragmented nature of her family. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:58 | |
I've missed out on such a lot, you know, as far as my brothers and sister are concerned. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:05 | |
Wanting to make up for lost time, Muriel put pen to paper. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:11 | |
I've written a letter to Jenny | 0:22:11 | 0:22:13 | |
as I don't know her and I don't think she knows me. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:17 | |
And I'd like Jeremy to forward it to her if he knows where she is. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:22 | |
That would be really nice. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:25 | |
I'll just hope and wait to see if she wants to get in touch. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
Later in the show, Muriel travels back to her childhood home of Blackpool | 0:22:34 | 0:22:40 | |
to try and reconnect with the brother she never really knew. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
I want to find out what sort of man he was and what his friends thought of him. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:49 | |
You know, how he was out and about around Blackpool. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:56 | |
Back to the confusing case of Charles Reynolds. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
He died in December 2008 aged 92, leaving no will. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
Having outlived his peers and with no known family, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:16 | |
Fraser & Fraser's case manager David Pacifico has had a hard time trying to get the hunt for heirs started. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:23 | |
-I think I want to cry! -And part of the reason for the slow start soon becomes clear. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:29 | |
Traveller Paul has ended up with a death certificate for a lady totally unrelated to Charles Reynolds. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:35 | |
-Hello, Paul. -Hello. I've got that death you asked to get. | 0:23:35 | 0:23:40 | |
-Good. -Well, everything fits apart from the maiden surname. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
It looks like it's wrong. | 0:23:44 | 0:23:46 | |
-There must be another death there of a Martha Ann Reynolds. -Back to the drawing board. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:52 | |
Trying to make up for lost time, the team quickly change priorities | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
to the paternal line of Charles's family. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
Initial research suggests Charles's father Joseph could have been born in Walsall and had four siblings. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:06 | |
If Paul confirms this from a birth certificate for Charles's father, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:11 | |
the office will have proof they are dealing with the right family. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
But before he's even left the car park, Paul gets another call from the office. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:21 | |
It seems that one of the father's brothers might be born in Stafford. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:25 | |
That's Thomas in March quarter, 1897. | 0:24:25 | 0:24:28 | |
Is that OK? You didn't leave Stafford, did you? | 0:24:28 | 0:24:32 | |
No, I've just got back to the car, so it's a five-minute walk back. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
-Hopefully, that will show him the son of Samuel. -Okey-cokey, Dave, I'm on my bike. -Bye. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:42 | |
The office's latest research indicates Charles's father Joseph Reynolds had a brother called Thomas | 0:24:42 | 0:24:49 | |
who Paul will hopefully confirm shared the same father. | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
He was a gentleman called Samuel Reynolds | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
who married an Alice Mary Gerrard in 1881. | 0:24:56 | 0:24:59 | |
Luckily, Paul's return visit to the register office does shed some more light on this case. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:06 | |
How are we doing on this? | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
-Thomas, son of Samuel... -And Alice Gerrard. | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
-We're happy we've got the right family, yes? -Well... -We can't find anything better, can we? -No. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:19 | |
The team are happy that Charles's father Joseph is the brother of Thomas | 0:25:19 | 0:25:24 | |
as both are named as sons of Samuel Reynolds on their birth certificates | 0:25:24 | 0:25:28 | |
and Paul has also dug up information on a sister called Hannah. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
OK, Dave, cheers. Bye. | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
That was Paul. He's now picked up the marriage of a Hannah Reynolds | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
who would have been a paternal aunt to the deceased, who married a Frank Smith. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
And also has picked up the birth of their son - William George Smith, born 1909, | 0:25:44 | 0:25:50 | |
so with his date of birth, we may be able to identify a fairly recent death for him | 0:25:50 | 0:25:55 | |
which will bring us further on in the family. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
Charles's aunt Hannah Reynolds married a Frank Smith | 0:25:58 | 0:26:03 | |
and had a son called William George Smith born in 1909 in Stafford. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
Some more research reveals he died in 1996 in Lichfield. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:12 | |
If the informant on his death was family, David could be a breath away from finding an heir. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:20 | |
But before the team know it, they get another lead from Paul | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
concerning Thomas Reynolds, Charles's uncle. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
-What was the date of marriage? -24/12/18. -1918. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
-And that was to...? -To Winifred May Keegan. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:37 | |
Winifred May...Keegan. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:41 | |
It seems that Thomas Reynolds and his wife Winifred also had children. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:46 | |
That birth of Thomas Reynolds, which does appear to be right, who marries Keegan... | 0:26:46 | 0:26:51 | |
Thomas is an uncle of the deceased. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
He has three children - Doris A, Sissy and Blanche. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
The office have come up with a marriage for Blanche to an Arthur Martin in 1947. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:03 | |
The office have found a death in December quarter 1997 of Blanche. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:09 | |
Obviously, that will hopefully throw out a next of kin, hopefully a son or daughter, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:15 | |
so that's what I'll apply for next. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
Paul retrieves the death certificate for Blanche, a first cousin of the deceased. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
It reveals the informant on her death was her husband Arthur Martin. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
He subsequently died in 2000 and the informant on his death was indeed family. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:34 | |
The informant on the death certificate was a sister, so she's not an entitled heir, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:40 | |
but we think there could be children. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:42 | |
I'm just going to ask them to check this address out. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
Paul has no luck at the address he's been given by the office, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:50 | |
but luckily, an elderly neighbour knew the family well | 0:27:50 | 0:27:54 | |
-and gives him a contact number for Blanche's sister-in-law Lillian. -Bye-bye. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:59 | |
Is that Lillian? | 0:27:59 | 0:28:02 | |
-'Yes.' -You don't know me at all. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
I work for a probate research company called Fraser & Fraser. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:09 | |
We've just been round to try and see you. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
We're trying to trace... Your brother Arthur who you were the informant on the death on, | 0:28:12 | 0:28:17 | |
his wife Blanche, yeah...? | 0:28:17 | 0:28:20 | |
-'Yes.' -We're trying to trace her relatives. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
Lillian informs Paul that Blanche and Arthur never had any children, | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
but the big surprise is that one of Blanche's sisters is still alive and well at 89. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:34 | |
This could be the first heir, but as always, there's a catch. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
-'Doris...' -Yeah. -'..and her husband...' -Yeah. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
'..have gone for a holiday to South Africa to their daughter's.' | 0:28:42 | 0:28:48 | |
At last, the team have managed to track down a first cousin of Charles, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:53 | |
but it's no good if she's away on holiday. | 0:28:53 | 0:28:57 | |
At least we've got a result of sorts, but we're not getting anybody to go and see to sign on the dotted line. | 0:28:57 | 0:29:03 | |
Without an heir to sign up with Frasers, they could still lose the case to another company. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:10 | |
The team turn their attention to another stem of the Reynolds' family tree. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:15 | |
We've now got the death certificate of William George Smith | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
who is a cousin of the deceased from another branch of the family. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
The informant is a widow. We're checking the address out to see if she's still alive. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:28 | |
I'd be surprised if she is. | 0:29:28 | 0:29:31 | |
And, um, obviously, it would take us nearer to see if there's any heirs on this branch of the family. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:39 | |
David starts making some calls. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:41 | |
Using the address from William and Lillian Smith's death certificates, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:46 | |
he rings around their former neighbours. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
Do you remember a family called Smith living at No.24? | 0:29:49 | 0:29:53 | |
Do you know whether they had any children, any family? | 0:29:53 | 0:29:57 | |
You've got her details, have you? | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
Success! It seems like David's tenacity has paid off. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
Do you know her Christian name? | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
Oh, sorry, Avis Allsop. A-L-L-S-O-P, yeah? | 0:30:06 | 0:30:10 | |
Do you have a phone number for her at all? | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
David is keen to get this case put to bed as soon as he can. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:18 | |
I'm trying to contact an Avis Allsop, formerly Smith, the daughter of a William George Smith. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:24 | |
What I'm hoping for... One of my colleagues is in the area today. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:28 | |
Would it be convenient for him to call and see you, so he can discuss it in further detail to you? | 0:30:28 | 0:30:34 | |
It looks like David has found his next heir, a cousin once removed from Charles Reynolds. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:40 | |
He immediately informs Paul and sends him around to meet Avis. | 0:30:40 | 0:30:44 | |
So she's expecting you, as I said, in possibly half an hour or more. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:49 | |
If you're successful, we're going to want to use her possibly as the claimant. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:54 | |
-OK. -All right, so good luck, Paul. I'll catch up with you tomorrow. -OK, cheers, Dave. Bye. | 0:30:54 | 0:31:00 | |
At the end of a long day, Paul is glad to finally have a face-to-face meeting lined up with an heir. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:07 | |
If Avis signs with Fraser & Fraser, they can submit a claim on her and Doris's behalf | 0:31:07 | 0:31:13 | |
and the ball can get rolling with the Treasury. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:16 | |
Please sit down. Do you want a table? | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
Inheriting a long-lost relative's estate can obviously be gratifying, | 0:31:20 | 0:31:24 | |
but for some, getting long-awaited answers to questions about their family history is worth a lot more. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:30 | |
-We tend to think it's a small estate. -I'm not terribly bothered about that. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
It was just the fact that you've... You know, about my dad. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:39 | |
I've been toying with the idea of trying to get a family tree going on his side. | 0:31:39 | 0:31:45 | |
Paul starts at the beginning with Charles Reynolds, a relative Avis was unaware she had. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:51 | |
The person who passed away would have been a cousin of your dad. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
Your grandmother Hannah had brothers and sisters. You're a first cousin once removed. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:01 | |
I didn't know my dad had any family. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:03 | |
Avis is like thousands of others in the UK. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:06 | |
Over generations, family can simply drift apart and crucial information is lost. | 0:32:06 | 0:32:12 | |
-Your grandmother was Hannah Reynolds. -I knew her name was Hannah, but I didn't know the maiden name. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:18 | |
-She married Frank Smith. -I didn't know that. -She had a brother Thomas, a brother Joseph... | 0:32:18 | 0:32:24 | |
..a sister Maude and a sister Mary-Jane. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
I didn't know she'd got any brothers and sisters, where she came from or anything. | 0:32:29 | 0:32:34 | |
This information comes as a revelation for Avis. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
The Smith name attached to her father had always confused her and with good reason. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:43 | |
Frank Smith, Avis's paternal grandfather, was Hannah Reynolds' first husband, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:49 | |
but she later settled with an Edgar Summerfield and had a daughter Lillian Summerfield by him. | 0:32:49 | 0:32:56 | |
I often puzzled over it cos I don't think my mum particularly... | 0:32:56 | 0:33:01 | |
I won't say liked the family, but had much to do with them. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:06 | |
It just wasn't mentioned. | 0:33:06 | 0:33:08 | |
I knew about his sister or half-sister or whatever she was. | 0:33:08 | 0:33:13 | |
But this is lovely to get some information about him. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
I'm really pleased. | 0:33:19 | 0:33:21 | |
With Fraser & Fraser now representing their case to the Treasury, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:26 | |
Avis and Doris upon her return from holiday are set to share the £7,500 estate | 0:33:26 | 0:33:32 | |
of the enigmatic Charles Reynolds. | 0:33:32 | 0:33:35 | |
Avis may never discover if he knew she even existed, | 0:33:35 | 0:33:40 | |
but in his death, she'll benefit from Charles, a hard-working creature of habit | 0:33:40 | 0:33:45 | |
who liked nothing more than to be left to his own devices to enjoy a few pints of stout. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:51 | |
-All the best. Thank you very much. -Thank you. -Bye-bye. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
It's a great result at the end of a long day. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:59 | |
Very, very nice lady. She's signed an agreement with us. | 0:33:59 | 0:34:03 | |
At the end of a bit of a frustrating day, we've got an end result, | 0:34:03 | 0:34:07 | |
so we can put forward her claim and at least get the ball rolling. | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
A good end to the day and a good result for myself and for the company, so yeah, very good. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:17 | |
For every case that is solved, there are still thousands that remain a mystery. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:31 | |
Currently, over 3,000 names drawn from across the country are on the Treasury's unsolved case list. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:37 | |
With estates valued at anything from £5,000 to millions of pounds, | 0:34:38 | 0:34:42 | |
the rightful heirs are out there somewhere. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
Today, we've got two cases Heir Hunters have so far failed to solve. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:50 | |
Could you be the key? Could you be in line for a pay-out? | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
Catherine Brown died in Edmonton, London, on the 5th of November, 2005. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:02 | |
Was Catherine a friend or neighbour of yours? | 0:35:02 | 0:35:05 | |
Could you even be related to her and entitled to her legacy? | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
Leonard Clutton passed away on the 16th of August, 2006, in Barking. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:18 | |
So far, every attempt to find his rightful heir has failed. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
If no relatives can be found, his money will go to the government, but could it be meant for you? | 0:35:22 | 0:35:28 | |
If the names Catherine Brown or Leonard Clutton mean anything to you or someone you know, | 0:35:29 | 0:35:35 | |
you could have a fortune coming your way. | 0:35:35 | 0:35:38 | |
Walter Darling died in 2008 without leaving a will. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
Heir Hunter Jeremy Ford's job was to discover whether he had any family | 0:35:48 | 0:35:52 | |
that should share in his £55,000 estate. | 0:35:52 | 0:35:56 | |
He tracked down three living heirs, one of which was Walter's younger sister Muriel. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:02 | |
I've missed out on such a lot, you know, as far as my brothers and sister are concerned. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:09 | |
Having grown up in care, Muriel only met Walter twice in her life, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:15 | |
but a bigger surprise came when Jeremy helped her contact a sister she never even knew she had. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:22 | |
This is a letter that I got off me sister. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
It sort of says that she's had her ups and downs in life and... | 0:36:26 | 0:36:32 | |
She's got two daughters which she's sent me photographs of. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
Yeah, I was thrilled to bits. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:40 | |
I felt like a little kid again for a couple of hours, sort of thing. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:45 | |
Yeah, it was very nice. | 0:36:45 | 0:36:47 | |
And that's my letter, one I've waited nearly all my life for. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:51 | |
Muriel and her sister have already discussed meeting each other for the first time in their lives. | 0:36:51 | 0:36:58 | |
She has also arranged a trip back to Blackpool with her husband Howard, | 0:36:58 | 0:37:02 | |
hoping for an insight into her late brother's life. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:06 | |
I want to find out what sort of man he was and what his friends thought of him | 0:37:06 | 0:37:12 | |
and, you know, how he was out and about around Blackpool. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:18 | |
As Muriel arrives at her destination, | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
the memories of a broken childhood begin to flood back. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
This is where the Oxford bus shelter used to be and the reason this place sticks out to me | 0:37:27 | 0:37:32 | |
is I believe this is where I was taken off my mother and put into welfare care. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:37 | |
Muriel has yet to discover why she and two brothers went into care | 0:37:38 | 0:37:43 | |
whilst other siblings like Walter stayed at home with their mother. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:48 | |
But her years at the Grundy care home were at least consistent. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:52 | |
I used to sleep in that room there right by the window. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:56 | |
It was a life in there. | 0:37:56 | 0:37:59 | |
You know, it was pleasant. You didn't get hit, you didn't get sort of pushed around or anything. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:05 | |
I felt really secure in there, as if that's where I belonged. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
I was in there, as far as I know, from being three till about 15. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
And it was during that 12-year period in care that Muriel missed out ever getting to know Walter. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:21 | |
By the time she was in her late teens, the family was so fragmented, | 0:38:21 | 0:38:26 | |
they'd lost touch completely. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
Wanting desperately to reconnect with a brother she never knew, | 0:38:29 | 0:38:33 | |
Muriel has arranged to meet up with Lisa Savickis, her son Kieran | 0:38:33 | 0:38:37 | |
and some of Walter's closest friends. | 0:38:37 | 0:38:40 | |
Hi. Come on in. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:43 | |
-Please come in. -I'm Muriel. This is my husband Howard. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:46 | |
-Hello. Pleased to meet you both. I'm sorry to hear about your loss. -That's all right. -Please come in. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:53 | |
Having been Walter's friends for over seven years, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:57 | |
Lisa and Kieran have dug out some photos of the man himself. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:01 | |
It's the first image Muriel has seen of her brother in over 40 years. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:06 | |
-I think that one's amazing. -I got that one off Brian, one of his friends. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:12 | |
He's been an absolute godsend to me and Kieran, one way or another. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:18 | |
Just looking at the picture, apart from the fact that you look similar, very much so, in the face, | 0:39:18 | 0:39:24 | |
-I just think it's marvellous that you're interested in birds just as much as Walter was. -Yeah. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:30 | |
-Because that would make him proud. -Yeah, yeah. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
It would make him proud that another member of the family is interested in the same things as well. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:40 | |
It was this life-long interest in nature that got Walter dubbed The Squirrel Man of Stanley Park. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:47 | |
Walter would spend days feeding and observing every aspect of the park's wildlife. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:53 | |
And it was this pastime that not only made him well-known, but also won him many friends. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:59 | |
Today, his ashes are going to be scattered and a tree planted in his memory in the place he loved best. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:07 | |
Hello, I'm Muriel. It's nice to meet people that have actually known him. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:11 | |
He just loved the park and all the animals in it and the birds. | 0:40:11 | 0:40:16 | |
If he found an injured bird, he'd pick it up and take it home and look after it, then bring it back. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:23 | |
I first met Walter 20 years ago prior to me having this job. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
-He was a character in the park and he's not here and he's missed. -Yeah. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
He'd be in here and he could talk the legs off a donkey. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
-Yeah. -But it was all about wildlife. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
It makes me think that he took to animals... | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
STARTS SOBBING I'm sorry. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:48 | |
-You should be really proud that everybody has got something good to say about your brother. -I am. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:57 | |
You'll be fine. Yeah? | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
He probably took to animals because people let him down. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:05 | |
-The people that cared about Walter didn't let him down. -I don't mean them people. Just people. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:12 | |
No, no, no. You've got nothing to feel guilty about. | 0:41:12 | 0:41:16 | |
-You can't do anything about something you didn't know about. -No. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
Hearing the shared memories of Walter from his friends | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
is understandably overwhelming for Muriel. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
It's a fitting tribute. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
I want to say on behalf of Walter Darling | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
who was a very good friend to all of the people that are here today, | 0:41:36 | 0:41:42 | |
I think it's nice that his sister is here today and I think she should be very proud of him. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:48 | |
I think all families should be together and I'm pretty certain Walter would have felt the same. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:54 | |
And it's not just the human inhabitants of Stanley Park who miss him. | 0:41:54 | 0:41:59 | |
At the end of a long day, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:06 | |
Muriel takes time to reflect on the older brother she barely knew until today. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:11 | |
Coming down and meeting Walter's friends and going to the places that he knew best and things, | 0:42:11 | 0:42:18 | |
yeah, I feel sort of nearer to him now. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
It's sort of answered a few... Not all of them. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
It's answered a few questions, helped me find out exactly what sort of man he was. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:33 | |
And I'm quite proud of what I've heard. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
If you would like advice about building your family tree or making a will, | 0:42:40 | 0:42:45 | |
go to: bbc.co.uk | 0:42:45 | 0:42:48 | |
Subtitles by Subtext for Red Bee Media Ltd 2010 | 0:43:09 | 0:43:13 | |
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