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Every year, thousands die without leaving a will. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:04 | |
If no relatives come forward, their estates go to the government. | 0:00:04 | 0:00:08 | |
Keeping this money in the family is a job for the heir hunters. | 0:00:08 | 0:00:11 | |
On today's programme, the heir hunters face their toughest competition yet... | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
KNOCK ON DOOR | 0:00:32 | 0:00:34 | |
-Who's that? -Thank you very much. -..as they race to be the first | 0:00:34 | 0:00:38 | |
to sign up heirs to a possible £200,000 fortune. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
Well, I tell you, a very close call! | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
And the difficult search for the family of a man who died all alone in the world. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:51 | |
None of us had any details. | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
There was no contact numbers that we knew of. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
So it was just unfortunate. We just had to contact the police. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:59 | |
Plus, how you may be entitled to inherit some of the unclaimed estates held by the Treasury. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:06 | |
Could thousands of pounds be heading your way? | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
In the UK, two thirds of people don't have a will. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:15 | |
When they die, the law states that unless the authorities | 0:01:15 | 0:01:17 | |
can find an obvious heir, their money goes to the Government. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:21 | |
Last year, the Treasury pocketed a staggering £18 million in unclaimed estates. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:27 | |
That's where the heir hunters step in. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:30 | |
I'm trying to get to speak to Lillian from number 146. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
There are over 30 companies whose business it is | 0:01:33 | 0:01:36 | |
to track down the rightful kin, competing against each other to solve cases, | 0:01:36 | 0:01:41 | |
sign up heirs and earn their commission. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
Fraser & Fraser is one of the oldest firms of heir hunters in Britain. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:46 | |
It's owned by Andrew, Charles and Neil Fraser. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
They run a team of case managers and researchers in the office as well as a squadron of travelling | 0:01:50 | 0:01:56 | |
heir hunters, who are based all over the country and are ready to go wherever the hunt takes them. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:02 | |
It's 7am on Thursday morning at Fraser & Fraser's London office. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:12 | |
The Treasury has just released its list of unclaimed estates, | 0:02:12 | 0:02:17 | |
and Neil Fraser is trying to identify the high-value cases. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:21 | |
This morning, it looks like he's in luck. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:25 | |
I think the main case we're going to look at today is this Ethel Climpson. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:31 | |
Dies in 2008, December of 2008. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:34 | |
Now, it doesn't look like she owned a property when she passed away, | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
but the house that she was living in was sold on the 4th of December. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
Now, to me, that sort of indicates the property's been sold as she's moved into a nursing home. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:50 | |
Ethel died aged 88, six months after moving into this nursing home in East London. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:57 | |
The property that Neil believes she sold just before her death was in Leytonstone. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
He estimates the house could have been sold for around £200,000. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:09 | |
As Ethel was only in the home for a short while, | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
he hopes that'll mean there's a lot of money left over for the estate. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
I think we're going to work that quite quickly and probably get quite a lot of staff on it. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:21 | |
The surname Climpson sounds very good. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
I think it's going to be quiet an easy name to work. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
Therefore I suspect that we're going to fill out the family tree very, very quickly but probably | 0:03:27 | 0:03:33 | |
get an awful lot of competition, so fingers crossed we can get to everyone before the opposition does. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:39 | |
If the estate is going to be worth at least £200,000, | 0:03:39 | 0:03:43 | |
then the company could be in line to make good commission. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:47 | |
Climpson is an unusual name, which will stand out in the records and be easy to trace. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:53 | |
So Neil's going to focus all his efforts on investigating this side of the family first. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:59 | |
It's a risk, but he hopes it'll pay off. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:02 | |
Good morning. I'm sorry to trouble you so early in the morning... | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
Heir hunter David Slee immediately takes charge of the case. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
He's already found a number for a neighbour of Ethel's in Leytonstone. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:14 | |
Not aware of the person at all? No. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
I'm very sorry to have troubled you. Thank you for your time. Bye-bye. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:21 | |
If they don't have any joy on the phone, | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
the next step is to send someone round to see what they can find out on the ground. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
Dave Hadley. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
Between them, Neil and Dave assign a senior researcher out on the road to the case. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:34 | |
But no joy there, either. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
Dave Hadley's on answerphone. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:39 | |
Why do I think it's going to be one of those days?! | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
David's frustrated because he knows that the first few minutes of any investigation | 0:04:43 | 0:04:49 | |
can make or break a case, especially when there could be as much as £200,000 at stake. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:55 | |
Whether or not Ethel left a lot of money after her death, | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
for the last years of her life she lived modestly in this terraced house in East London. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:07 | |
Elaine was her good friend and carer until just before the end, and she always knew Ethel as Peggy. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:14 | |
Everybody who knew Peggy liked her. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:20 | |
She was a very bright, happy, fun-loving person. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
I kept in touch with her 30-odd years, so I would say it's a lifelong friendship. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:30 | |
Ethel and Elaine met in 1975 when they were both working | 0:05:30 | 0:05:35 | |
in the accounts department of Heal's furniture store in London. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
Heal's was a very posh place to work in. When I say to people where I'm working, they say, | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
"Ooh, you're working at Heal's?" something like that, because it was a very posh place to work in. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:47 | |
Anybody's birthday, or anyone's getting married, or Christmas, | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
there was a party, and we all enjoyed it together. And it was fun. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
And she stayed there until she retired, so she must have loved it. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
The friends that Ethel made at Heal's became like family and were a great support and comfort to her. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:05 | |
Although she never married, Ethel did have one great love in her life. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
We asked her about her personal life. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:11 | |
She said her fiance went in the Second World War and he didn't come back. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:16 | |
John was Ethel's fiance. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
But, like many women at that time, her romantic hopes were dashed by the war. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
Losing him so young at what should have been the beginning | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
of their lives together was something she found very hard to get over. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:32 | |
We did ask her subtle questions. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
"Peggy, are you going to get married again?" | 0:06:34 | 0:06:36 | |
She said, "No, girls, I'm not going to get married again. I don't want to." | 0:06:36 | 0:06:40 | |
She said, "John's gone, and I don't want anyone else." | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
She never met another man or had a family, but that didn't stop her enjoying life. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:50 | |
Ethel loved to travel, and long after her retirement, | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
she was still enjoying girls' trips abroad with her friends from Heal's. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
Peggy was never a sad person. No, never! | 0:07:01 | 0:07:04 | |
Too much personality for that. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
It's still only 7:30am, | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
but case manager David Slee and his team have already made good progress. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:17 | |
They've been able to access Ethel's death certificate on-line. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:23 | |
So from that, Debbie and Jo have already found her birth certificate | 0:07:23 | 0:07:28 | |
and started building out her family tree. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
-So she's an only child? -Yeah. -Yeah, I thought so. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:36 | |
With no siblings or children of her own, the team now know | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
they will need to look further back, to her grandparents, uncles, aunts and cousins to find any heirs. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:46 | |
Ethel's grandparents were John Henry Climpson and Sarah Stamford. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:51 | |
They had six children, Ethel's father George | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
being the eldest, and five others, one of whom died in infancy. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:59 | |
We're making sure that we've got top-line births done manually. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:04 | |
Ethel's aunts and uncles will form the top line of her family tree, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:08 | |
and it's likely to be their descendants, her cousins, who are heirs. | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
So Dave wants to be sure that he's got the right details for them. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:17 | |
There can be gaps on these websites, and we have our own manual records that we can go through. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:21 | |
And although it takes a bit longer, it allows us to be a lot more certain about our research. | 0:08:21 | 0:08:27 | |
It's not long before this meticulous approach to their research pays off. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:32 | |
George Frederick. It's got to be him. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
David has found a birth record for a George Frederick, son of Ethel's aunt, Bertha Climpson. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:40 | |
George died in 1996. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
But they also uncover a record for his sister June, and here they hit the jackpot. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
We've got a current address for a paternal first cousin | 0:08:50 | 0:08:53 | |
living in Woodford Green, so not far from where the deceased lived. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:57 | |
It's absolutely falling out so easy. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:00 | |
Too easy. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:01 | |
This is great news for the team. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
It's still only 8am, and they have already located Ethel's first cousin | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
and their first living heir, June. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
But for all they know, the competition could be there already. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
So Dave gets straight onto Dave Hadley. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
Dave, it's Dave Slee. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
Can you go Woodford Green? | 0:09:22 | 0:09:24 | |
-OK. -We've an address for a paternal first cousin. Thanks now. Bye-bye. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:29 | |
The team have found one heir in record time, but Dave can't afford to rest on his laurels. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:40 | |
There are still four more of Ethel's paternal aunts and uncles to investigate. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
It's not long before the next breakthrough. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
We've just been able to identify the death of the deceased's | 0:09:48 | 0:09:54 | |
paternal uncle, Frederick William Climpson. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:57 | |
Frederick was Ethel's youngest uncle, who died in 1980 in Debden in Essex. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:03 | |
The heir hunters need to discover if he had any children. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
-Very soon, researcher Debbie makes a very interesting discovery. -Here. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:13 | |
That's not for this marriage, Frederick's? | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
They get married on March 26th. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
-More paper. -More paper! | 0:10:18 | 0:10:21 | |
Off the marriage of Frederick | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
there is the possibility of one, two, | 0:10:24 | 0:10:26 | |
three, four, five, six, seven, | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
eight, nine children. Erm, yeah...! | 0:10:30 | 0:10:35 | |
Nine children means nine more leads for the heir hunters to follow up. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:39 | |
This search is only just getting going. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
It's been a mad half-hour, hour or so. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:45 | |
The tree has just ballooned out. | 0:10:45 | 0:10:47 | |
I think we're finding stuff quicker than Dave could write it on the tree. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
It's too easy! | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
A lot of competition on this, as we thought we were going to have, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:57 | |
so fingers crossed they'll go with Fraser's. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
Their rivals may be snapping at their heels, | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
but for the moment, there's no stopping the heir hunters. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
They've found six more of Ethel's first cousins and heirs. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:11 | |
Her uncle, Frederick Climpson, had nine children. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:15 | |
Three died, but the rest are alive and well and all living in the same area. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:20 | |
Ipswich. See there? All Suffolk addresses. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
Yeah. Ipswich is coming out here as well. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:25 | |
Hopefully we'll be able to contact someone. I think what we need is some phone calls on this. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
Yeah, I agree with you. Now. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
Heir hunter David Pacifico joins the team. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
This case is expanding so fast that they need another case manager just to keep pace with developments. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:41 | |
With the competition breathing down their necks, the two Davids | 0:11:41 | 0:11:45 | |
make some pre-emptive phone calls to the heirs in Ipswich. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:48 | |
What I wonder if it's possible, sir, is if I can have | 0:11:48 | 0:11:53 | |
one of my representatives come and see you today and explain... | 0:11:53 | 0:11:57 | |
David Slee gets through to Ethel's cousin Bryan, and he's desperate to get Fraser's foot in the door. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:03 | |
So if you wouldn't mind, even if another company | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
does approach you, let my chap have a word with you as well. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:10 | |
It's still only 8:45, and Dave Hadley has already arrived in Woodford Green... | 0:12:19 | 0:12:25 | |
..at the address he's been given for Ethel's cousin June. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
Sorry to trouble you so early without an appointment. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
I actually wanted to speak to your wife June, if that's possible. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
-She's in bed. -Oh, right. OK. Can I make an appointment to see her today? | 0:12:35 | 0:12:39 | |
-Would that be possible? -Yes. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:41 | |
That would be fantastic. Thank you. Bye-bye. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
Hi, Dave. I've confirmed that the lady does live there. She's in bed at the moment. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:54 | |
So I've made an appointment to interview her in an hour's time. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
One hour. OK. I need... | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
I'm also trying to get you for some interviews in Ipswich. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:06 | |
This is a setback they didn't need. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
With heirs lined up ready to be interviewed, time is of the essence. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
I'm just going to have to sit here patiently for the next hour until Mrs Brown is ready to see me. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:20 | |
Rather than give ground to the competition, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
David Pacifico decides he needs even more manpower on the case. | 0:13:24 | 0:13:29 | |
Ethel Climpson, daughter of George Charles Climpson... | 0:13:29 | 0:13:31 | |
He brings senior researcher on the road Ewart Lindsay up to speed. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:35 | |
-Right, do you want to head to Ipswich? -All right, Dave. -Speak to you later. Thanks, Ewart. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
-Yeah. Bye. -Bye. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:41 | |
It's all manic, isn't it? It's all go! | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
It will be at least an hour-and-a-half before Ewart can get to Ipswich, but back in the office, | 0:13:49 | 0:13:54 | |
a whole new team of heir hunters have started researching Ethel's mother's family, the Norrises. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
They're headed up by David number three, David Milchard, AKA Grimble. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:04 | |
Hold on. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
Jo, are you still doing this side? Yeah, the big Norris side. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:11 | |
They know that Ethel's mother was born in West Ham in London. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
But unlike Climpson, Norris has not been such an easy name to research. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:20 | |
Norris is not a bad name. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:22 | |
I mean, it's not Smith or Jones or anything like that. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
But there are quite a lot of them, and we've got at least two of everything in West Ham. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:32 | |
So we can't say, "Oh, it's that one," and move on. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:35 | |
While the maternal team carry on their investigations in the office, | 0:14:35 | 0:14:40 | |
over in Woodford Green, Dave Hadley's hour of waiting is over. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:45 | |
-Hello! Is it convenient? -Come in. | 0:14:45 | 0:14:47 | |
Thank you very much. Thank you. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
He's finally getting to speak to June and her husband Gordon. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
Fraser's have invested a lot in this case, so Dave needs this interview to be a success. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:59 | |
Well, I won't disclose who the person is that's died at the moment, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:04 | |
because we have to protect our interests, and until we've got an agreement from the client | 0:15:04 | 0:15:10 | |
that they're prepared for us to deal with it, then... | 0:15:10 | 0:15:13 | |
But once we've got that, then we'll give full disclosure. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
-But what I can tell you... -KNOCK ON DOOR | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
A knock on the door reveals the competition has finally caught up with them. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
Coming up on the show, the race is now on to sign up heirs, and Fraser & Fraser's rivals are closing in. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:31 | |
KNOCK ON DOOR | 0:15:31 | 0:15:33 | |
-Who's that? -But having come so far, will the heir hunters end up losing it all? | 0:15:33 | 0:15:38 | |
When the heir hunters come across a deceased person who was born and died in the same area, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:57 | |
it often means that their search will be focused there. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
But in the case of Howell Morgan, their investigation took them to the end of the Earth and back. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:06 | |
Howell died aged 77 in South Wales. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
Sadly, this water-damaged photograph is the only one that survives of him. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:17 | |
He lived the last years of his life in this residential caravan park. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:22 | |
Neighbour Carol Jenkins remembered him as a very private man who everyone knew as H. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:29 | |
We met H about 15 years ago, when he moved in next door to my mother. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:34 | |
In the evenings, you'd go past there, there would just be a small lamp on, | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
he'd be at his table - because you could see through the curtains - and he'd be reading, doing a crossword. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:45 | |
My husband'd come home in the night, shout, "Night, H!" | 0:16:45 | 0:16:49 | |
His arm'd come up, shout, "Night!" back. And that was his whole routine. | 0:16:49 | 0:16:53 | |
Colwyn Evans lived a few caravans down from Howell. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:57 | |
The two men saw a lot of each other. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
Well, he kept himself to himself. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
He was a great fella to know, very, very, very quiet. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:07 | |
Howell had lived in the Barry area all his life, so when details of his estate were released by | 0:17:10 | 0:17:15 | |
the Treasury, Welsh heir-hunting company Celtic Research | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
were well-placed to pick up the investigation. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:22 | |
Celtic Research is run by Peter Birchwood, who, | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
along with his wife Maria, took on the task of tracking down Howell Morgan's heirs. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:30 | |
I first got the estate of Howell Morgan around about September 2007. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:38 | |
It was valued at roughly 20,000 at the time. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:43 | |
Morgan is a very common surname in Wales, so trying to locate | 0:17:45 | 0:17:50 | |
Howell's records was like looking for a needle in a haystack. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
But Peter's well used to this kind of challenge. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
He relies a lot on the local community and word of mouth, | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
so the first thing they did was ask the neighbours. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:02 | |
We never actually seen visitors go back and forth, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
not even over the Christmas period or holidays or anything. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:12 | |
Although they drew a blank at first, slowly Celtic Research started to uncover information that revealed | 0:18:13 | 0:18:19 | |
that the quiet man from Barry had in fact lived a life full of adventure, crisscrossing the globe. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
Howell grew up within sight of the busy docks and the sea, | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
which must have inspired him to enlist in the Royal Navy when he was 17. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
He later left due to injury and joined the Merchant Marines. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:42 | |
It looks very much as if Howell saw a local company, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:49 | |
the Natural Environment Research Council, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:52 | |
operating two ships out of Barry docks, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:55 | |
and he could very well have gone, knocked on the door and said, "Have you got a job for a sailor?" | 0:18:55 | 0:18:59 | |
Howell started out on his research ships as an uncertificated deck hand. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
These were the men whose brute strength and extreme physical efforts put ships | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
of this kind to sea and allowed them to carry out their duties. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
For these research ships, a lot of the work is done, | 0:19:15 | 0:19:19 | |
obviously, at sea, putting stuff in the water, dredging, | 0:19:19 | 0:19:24 | |
working with ropes, working on deck, what traditionally everybody thinks sailors do. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:29 | |
It wasn't long before Howell moved up the ranks. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
After 18 months as a deck hand on a merchant ship, he could take his | 0:19:34 | 0:19:38 | |
Efficient Deck Hand certificate, and he obviously did that, because when he went onto the Shackleton, | 0:19:38 | 0:19:45 | |
he is logged on as an EDH - efficient deck hand. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:49 | |
The Shackleton was named after Sir Ernest Shackleton, famous polar explorer. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:58 | |
She was one of four ships that took part in the British Antarctic Survey in the '60s and early '70s, | 0:19:58 | 0:20:04 | |
leaving every October and only returning home the following May or June. | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
Peter Barker was a scientist and principal investigator | 0:20:09 | 0:20:12 | |
on board the Shackleton and remembers Howell from that time. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:17 | |
I first met Howell Morgan soon after the ship left the UK, I guess. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:23 | |
Clearly, he'd been to sea before many times. | 0:20:23 | 0:20:26 | |
He was a good, competent seaman. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:29 | |
Being at sea over the festive period, the crew would try to | 0:20:29 | 0:20:32 | |
find somewhere suitable to anchor so they could enjoy a merry Christmas. | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
But one year, it didn't go according to plan. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
We couldn't get anywhere near any shallow water on Christmas Day, so we postponed Christmas. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:46 | |
So we were working on Christmas Day. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
We wanted to use the winch to do some dredging, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
and Howell came up and operated the winch | 0:20:52 | 0:20:57 | |
because he was the only person sober enough to do it. | 0:20:57 | 0:21:02 | |
The other seamen had decided that it was Christmas | 0:21:02 | 0:21:05 | |
on the 25th of December and they were going to get drunk, so they couldn't work. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
But not Howell. He was a very pleasant sort of person, had a good personality. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:14 | |
As they gathered information about Howell, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
the heir hunters had also unearthed a paper trail of certificates. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
His birth certificate showed his parents | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
to be William Morgan and Olive Rees, and knowing this, they were able to search for any siblings. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:36 | |
The research showed us that he'd been one of three children - | 0:21:36 | 0:21:42 | |
two sisters and himself as the brother. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:47 | |
Howell's sisters would both be potential heirs to his estate. | 0:21:49 | 0:21:53 | |
Peter couldn't find any recent evidence of his older sister, | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
but he traced the younger one to London, where she married in 1958. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:02 | |
The sister, Sylvia - unfortunately, she'd died, | 0:22:02 | 0:22:07 | |
but she had had two children. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
Sylvia's two children were Stephanie and Howard, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:14 | |
and they were also in line to inherit a share of Howell's £20,000 estate. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
But there the trail ran dry. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
Celtic Research tried to find the girl Stephanie but couldn't find any sign of her. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:28 | |
We couldn't find any marriages for her, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:31 | |
and we couldn't find any trace that she was living in England or Wales. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:37 | |
With his investigation at a standstill, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:41 | |
Peter needed to look further afield to locate the heirs to Howell's £20,000 estate. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:47 | |
Little did he know his search was about to go global. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:50 | |
For every case that is solved, there are still thousands that remain a mystery. | 0:22:58 | 0:23:03 | |
Currently, over 3,000 names drawn from across the country are on the Treasury's unsolved case list. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:10 | |
Their assets will be kept for up to 30 years in the hope that eventually | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
someone will remember and come forward to claim their inheritance. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:21 | |
With estates valued at anything from 5,000 to millions of pounds, | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
the rightful heirs are out there somewhere. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
Today, we've got two cases heir hunters have so far failed to solve. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
Could you be the key? Could you be in line for a payout? | 0:23:37 | 0:23:41 | |
Shirley Anne Meanley died in Epsom, Surrey, on the 20th of May, 2005. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:47 | |
Was Shirley a friend or neighbour of yours? | 0:23:47 | 0:23:50 | |
Could you even be related to her and entitled to her estate? | 0:23:50 | 0:23:54 | |
Irene Middleton passed away on the 2nd of October, 2006 in Fulham, London. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:04 | |
If no relatives come forward, her money will go to the Government. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
But should it be headed your way? | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
Still to come on the show, the race to find Ethel Climpson's | 0:24:16 | 0:24:20 | |
heirs hots up, and for one of them, life will never be the same again. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:26 | |
Well, that was a surprise! I mean, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
one phone call, it altered things quite dramatically. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:33 | |
Back on the Howell Morgan case, Celtic Research have managed to identify all three of his heirs. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:45 | |
But they couldn't find two of them, his elder sister and his niece, Stephanie. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
Luckily, Peter did find a phone number for Howell's nephew and heir Howard, who led him to Stephanie. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:57 | |
The answer was, once her brother Howard had spoken to me, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
was that she had moved to Ireland and was living there. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:08 | |
-Come on, girls! -Stephanie had lived in Ireland since 2002. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:19 | |
She moved there with her husband and family in search of the good life | 0:25:19 | 0:25:23 | |
and a peaceful rural upbringing for their three children. | 0:25:23 | 0:25:27 | |
Well, out of the blue I got a letter one afternoon, opened it up and I had the shock of my life. | 0:25:27 | 0:25:34 | |
Basically, it was outlining my family members and that my uncle had died, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
and that was a complete shock to me. I had no idea whatsoever. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
Howell sort of lost contact with us when my mother died, really. | 0:25:45 | 0:25:50 | |
Everybody moves on, and we're all busy with our lives. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
You forget to write the letter or return the call, so we basically sort of left it at, | 0:25:53 | 0:25:59 | |
"We're OK and we'll let you know." | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
Although she grew up in London, Stephanie has happy memories | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
of trips back to Wales to visit her grandmother in Barry. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
When I was younger, I spent every summer holiday there for eight weeks at a time. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:17 | |
When my uncle was home from sea, we used to go out, and yeah, we were very, very close. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:25 | |
It seems that Stephanie did hold a special place in her uncle's heart. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:31 | |
The sea-hardened sailor may have been thousands of miles | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
away in the freezing Southern Ocean, but he still spared a thought for his favourite niece. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:39 | |
I was given a soft toy penguin, which I was quite surprised, because I didn't expect it from my uncle. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:46 | |
He was rough and tough, and a fluffy toy was the last thing. | 0:26:46 | 0:26:50 | |
But no, he sent me a penguin from the Antarctic. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:54 | |
Stephanie had a collection of family keepsakes. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
Sadly, much of it, including many photographs of Howell, was lost in a flood several years ago. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:04 | |
But one did survive. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
This, unfortunately, is the only photograph I have of my uncle. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:11 | |
It's very faded and very old. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
That's my uncle. That sums him up, actually. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
He's in the background - "Leave me alone, I'm having a cigarette." | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
And that's the special one. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
I can replace all these, but I can't replace that one. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:27 | |
Celtic Research had now located two of the three heirs to Howell's £20,000 estate. | 0:27:31 | 0:27:37 | |
But although Stephanie had some old photographs of the third, her aunt and Howell's older sister, | 0:27:37 | 0:27:43 | |
she didn't have a current address for her. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
It was then that Peter made a lucky discovery. | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
He had come across a copy of Howell's mother's will, | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
which gave an address for his sister and took this heir hunt 3,000 miles, from Barry to Canada. | 0:27:52 | 0:28:00 | |
Although the address wasn't current, he took a chance that she was still living in the same area. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:06 | |
I advertised in the local newspaper and was very fortunate | 0:28:06 | 0:28:12 | |
that within a few days she had been told of the advert and contacted me. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:19 | |
It was a shock to her when I told her that her brother had died. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:24 | |
It was unfortunate that the sister had not managed | 0:28:24 | 0:28:29 | |
to get in touch with Howell and, equally, | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
he had never got in touch with her. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
Although brother and sister didn't manage to speak before he died, | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
Stephanie did make an effort to contact her uncle a few years ago. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:44 | |
I went through the phone book and I found a few Howell Morgans, and I tried every one, | 0:28:44 | 0:28:49 | |
and somebody said yes, they knew him and they knew where he went at night with his friends. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:54 | |
And I asked them to let him know that I was looking for him, and I left my address. | 0:28:54 | 0:29:00 | |
And the next thing I know, I had a letter straight out of the blue, and I was overjoyed. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:05 | |
Totally overjoyed. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:07 | |
Sadly, that letter was lost in the flood that also claimed her photographs of him. | 0:29:07 | 0:29:12 | |
But Stephanie does still have a couple of other letters | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
that he wrote to her over the years that she holds very dear. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
Howell was clearly very fond of his niece in Ireland, but to his neighbours in the residential park, | 0:29:25 | 0:29:31 | |
he was always a private man about whom they knew very little right up to the day he died. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:37 | |
Well, my mother had said the light had been on for two nights | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
and she hadn't heard him walking round in there. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
We went in the bedroom, and he was curled up on the beds. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:48 | |
I would have contacted H's family, but unfortunately | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
there was no contact numbers that we knew of. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
So it was just unfortunate. We just had to contact the police. | 0:29:56 | 0:29:59 | |
In the end, half of Howell's estate went to his sister and half was split between his niece and nephew. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:07 | |
It turned out to be worth less than £20,000, but for Stephanie, it wasn't about the money. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:13 | |
I received just under £2,000. It was nice to have, it did help. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:20 | |
I would obviously prefer my uncle to be around, that meant more to me than any money. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:26 | |
Money aside, Howell's greatest gift to his niece was his love of the sea. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:32 | |
It's something that's stayed with her all her life, and somewhere she often goes to remember him. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:38 | |
I think of my childhood, and how it was in the summer in Wales | 0:30:38 | 0:30:43 | |
and times with my uncle, spent at the place he loved. | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
I love it, and it feels like coming home. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:48 | |
And I think he would have been proud to think I was back on the water's edge. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
Amongst the boats. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
Fraser & Fraser have been investigating the case of 88-year-old Ethel Climpson | 0:31:06 | 0:31:11 | |
who died intestate, leaving what Neil Fraser hopes will be a £200,000 estate. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:17 | |
What I have been able to find out is the house she was living in was sold on 4th December. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:22 | |
To me, that indicates the property has been sold as she's moved into a nursing home. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:27 | |
If their hunch is correct, and she did own her home | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
in Leytonstone before it was sold, then her estate could be worth several hundred thousand pounds. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:35 | |
The possibility of a huge payout has attracted a lot of competition | 0:31:35 | 0:31:40 | |
from rival companies and the hunt for heirs has been fast and furious. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:45 | |
In only a couple of hours, Fraser's managed to trace the first of Ethel's many heirs. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:50 | |
But just then, the competition came knocking. | 0:31:52 | 0:31:55 | |
Fortunately for heir hunter Dave Hadley, June sticks to her guns and hears him out. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:01 | |
You're going to get a few companies contacting you, I'll tell you now. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
-Really? -There's about four or five of us and we compete against one another. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:10 | |
And that's why I was so keen to speak to your wife this morning, rather than this afternoon. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:17 | |
Yes. Oh, how strange! | 0:32:17 | 0:32:18 | |
So your mother was Bertha, wasn't she? Bertha Climpson? | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
Dave gets on with interviewing June and at the same time, confirms some of the details of her family tree. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:28 | |
And the younger brother, I can remember my mother said, he moved down into Essex. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:34 | |
And of course in those days, they didn't | 0:32:34 | 0:32:37 | |
have a lot of contact as there wasn't phones and things like that. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
-That's as far as my memory takes me back. -You've lost contact with them, presumably? | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
I never knew him. I never knew any of her brothers. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:51 | |
June's uncle, Frederick Climpson, lost contact with | 0:32:51 | 0:32:55 | |
her mother Bertha when he moved away from London, so he never met June or her brother George. | 0:32:55 | 0:33:01 | |
But his children and grandchildren are now living in Ipswich in Suffolk, and as they speak, | 0:33:01 | 0:33:07 | |
an heir hunter is on his way to interview them. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:10 | |
Right, well thanks ever so much. Lovely to meet you, bye-bye. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:15 | |
-I hope you get on in your quest! -Thank you. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
The money side doesn't, to be honest, bother me too much. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:28 | |
But it would be interesting to see the family tree and the relatives | 0:33:30 | 0:33:37 | |
and maybe have some contact with them. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:41 | |
Because all my life, I've never known them. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:44 | |
Whilst I was there, somebody knocked on the door, left their card. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:49 | |
-But I think we're pretty secure on this one. She's not going to go back on this one. -No, lovely. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:55 | |
Thanks, mate. | 0:33:55 | 0:33:56 | |
Bye-bye. | 0:33:56 | 0:33:58 | |
The competition is particularly fierce. I know of at least two other companies, | 0:33:58 | 0:34:02 | |
I think there's probably a third, maybe even a fourth company working on this case as well. | 0:34:02 | 0:34:05 | |
But we're certainly ahead of the majority of the competition. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:09 | |
As the next hour or two hours develops, we'll be able to see exactly where we are. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
At last, Ewart arrives in Suffolk for his interview with Hazel... | 0:34:15 | 0:34:20 | |
-Hello. Mrs Terry? -..the granddaughter of Ethel's Uncle Frederick. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
Just confirm your full name for me. | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
With her husband Bernard looking on, the interview has only just got | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
going when all of a sudden, they're interrupted. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
KNOCK AT THE DOOR Who's that? | 0:34:34 | 0:34:37 | |
That's the other gentleman. | 0:34:42 | 0:34:44 | |
-That's the other company? -Must be. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
I had a phone call this morning. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
Once again, one of their competitors is on the doorstep. | 0:34:49 | 0:34:52 | |
But Heather's already made up her mind to go with Fraser's. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
Nice meeting you. All the best. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:57 | |
Ewart has won the day, but only just. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:01 | |
I tell you, a very close call. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:03 | |
Luckily the heir's husband literally just told the guy to go away. | 0:35:03 | 0:35:07 | |
Isn't that interesting? Job well done to me. | 0:35:07 | 0:35:09 | |
Things are going well in Suffolk, but back in London, | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
they're still having problems confirming the maternal side of Ethel's family tree. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:21 | |
Ethel's grandparents were John Norris and Ann McEvoy. | 0:35:21 | 0:35:25 | |
Her mother, also called Ethel, was one of eight children, amongst whom was a boy called Leonard. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:32 | |
The team have found records of a Leonard Norris who they think could be Ethel's youngest brother. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
Through him, they found several living relatives who could be Ethel's heirs. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:43 | |
However, they need proof that this Leonard Norris has the same parents as Ethel. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
So they've sent senior researcher Bob Smith to look for his marriage certificate. | 0:35:47 | 0:35:53 | |
Yep, it's right. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
Leonard Norris, son of John Norris. | 0:35:55 | 0:36:00 | |
Dave, hi, it's Bob. I got the marriage, it looks right. | 0:36:00 | 0:36:03 | |
Bob phones in the good news to the office and they give him his new instructions. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:08 | |
I now have to move on very quickly took Milton Keynes to see | 0:36:08 | 0:36:12 | |
Wendy Smith, who we now know is definitely related to our deceased. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:17 | |
Leonard Norris and his wife Charlotte had three children. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
Their son, also called Leonard, married Elsie and had one daughter, Wendy. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:27 | |
Ethel's first cousin once removed. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
So Bob now becomes travelling heir hunter | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
number three to hit the road in search of heirs to Ethel's estate, which could be worth up to £250,000. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:42 | |
Our decision, I think, to have three travellers, | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
the three Daves case-managing, and all the researchers downstairs, is starting to pay off now. | 0:36:46 | 0:36:52 | |
Because we really have swamped it with resources, swamped it | 0:36:52 | 0:36:55 | |
with people, and that's why we're ahead of all of our competition. | 0:36:55 | 0:36:58 | |
For Dave Milchard and the team in the office, it's definitely been a good day's work. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:03 | |
We're finished at the moment, no more to do until tomorrow. | 0:37:03 | 0:37:09 | |
But for the travelling heir hunters on the road, the day is a long way from being over. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:18 | |
Ewart is still working his way through his list | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
of heirs on the paternal, Climpson side of the family. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
-Hello, Mrs Smith? -Hello, yes. | 0:37:24 | 0:37:25 | |
I'm Robert from Fraser & Fraser. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:27 | |
While in Milton Keynes, Bob finally arrives | 0:37:27 | 0:37:30 | |
at Wendy Smith's house, a cousin of Ethel's on her maternal side. | 0:37:30 | 0:37:35 | |
How many children from your parents' marriage? | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
-Just me. -Just you, an only child. -Yeah. -That will certainly help you. | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
-You inherit your father's share, so if there were any other children, obviously... -We'd have to split them. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:45 | |
Exactly, yeah. | 0:37:45 | 0:37:48 | |
No wonder Wendy's pleased - she could be in line to receive around £20,000. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:54 | |
It's early morning on Friday and some shocking news has come through to Fraser's Central London office | 0:38:03 | 0:38:09 | |
concerning Ethel's old home in Leytonstone. | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
Heir hunter David Pacifico is in a sombre mood as he puts in a call to Ewart. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:20 | |
-It's likely to be a low-value case now. -Oh, is it? | 0:38:21 | 0:38:25 | |
-Yeah. -How much? | 0:38:25 | 0:38:27 | |
Don't know, but she didn't own the property. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:29 | |
Oh, God! | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
Unfortunately. But there you are. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:34 | |
It turns out that Ethel rented, rather than owned, her home. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
So her estate didn't benefit from its sale after all. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
I'm just a bit cheesed off. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:45 | |
I don't blame you. I feel the same. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:48 | |
We've gone back over and checked a few things | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
and it looks as though our initial estimate on the valuation | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
of the case may have been slightly too high. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:58 | |
It may not be the £200,000 we thought, it could be even down to £5,000, which is... | 0:38:58 | 0:39:04 | |
a harsh reality for us if that is the case, because we've had so many people working on it. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:11 | |
It's a massive disappointment for the heir hunters. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
But for the heirs themselves, there is definitely a silver lining to this cloud. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:19 | |
Let's put it this way, we've achieved something in this case by putting people back in contact. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:25 | |
We should be pleased about that. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
When she was first contacted by Fraser & Fraser, | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
June wasn't even sure that she had any living relatives on her mother's side. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
A couple of weeks later, and heir hunter David Pacifico has been in touch with some exciting news. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:44 | |
I said to him, "Am I the only first cousin?" | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
And he said, "No, because there's this uncle up in Suffolk | 0:39:49 | 0:39:56 | |
"that had nine children!" | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
Well, that was a surprise! | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
In one phone call, he'd altered things quite dramatically! | 0:40:01 | 0:40:06 | |
June's Uncle Frederick moved from London to Suffolk | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
and had nine children, of which six are still alive. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:13 | |
They're all Ethel's heirs and all completely unaware that they had a cousin. | 0:40:13 | 0:40:19 | |
It was a real shock because I just thought there was only my brothers and sisters. | 0:40:19 | 0:40:24 | |
I never dreamt there was anybody else. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:29 | |
My dad never discussed his family with us, so we just had no idea. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:33 | |
Hello. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:35 | |
Hello, June! | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
-You're Jean? -I'm Jean, yes. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:39 | |
-How lovely to meet you. -Come in. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:44 | |
Wow. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:45 | |
-THEY LAUGH -There's a number to meet! | 0:40:47 | 0:40:50 | |
-This is my eldest brother, Ron. -How do you do, Ron? | 0:40:50 | 0:40:52 | |
-My sister, Pat. -Right. | 0:40:52 | 0:40:54 | |
So you were Climpsons, you were all Climpsons, that's amazing. | 0:40:54 | 0:41:02 | |
You've got photographs, and so have I! | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
I'll have to get all this... | 0:41:05 | 0:41:08 | |
That's our dad and mum. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:11 | |
-Really? -That's Fred. Frederick. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
That's Frederick. Oh, this is wonderful. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
Quite elated! | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
Quite elated. It's really lovely seeing all these people. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:22 | |
When June walked through the door, it was excitement, trepidation, because you didn't know | 0:41:22 | 0:41:28 | |
what we were going to find out about my dad's family. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:30 | |
So that's your Aunt Bertha. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
-So that's dad's sister. -Yes. -You can see the likeness. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
Yes, I expect you can. I shall have to compare again. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
Oh, yes. Definitely. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
Definitely saw the resemblance in the photographs of my father and June's mother. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:47 | |
Very much alike, I thought. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:49 | |
That was my grandma, which would have been... | 0:41:49 | 0:41:52 | |
it would have been your grandma, wouldn't it? Yes, of course it would. Of course it would. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:57 | |
Ethel may not have left a large estate, but her actual legacy is much more important. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:03 | |
Because of her, the scattered family has been brought together. And they couldn't be more delighted. | 0:42:03 | 0:42:10 | |
Oh, it's been a fantastic event, really. | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
Because I don't think it would have come about had this not have happened. | 0:42:12 | 0:42:17 | |
We've now found out about what we never knew anything about. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:20 | |
Now, this is the older brother, this is Henry, but always known as Uncle Harry. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:27 | |
He was my mother's favourite! | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
I'm pleased that I've been able to fill in a few gaps for them, | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
because I think they've been more in the dark than I've been. | 0:42:33 | 0:42:36 | |
It's amazing you've got nothing. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
-Nothing at all. -Oh, I'm quite a revelation, aren't I?! | 0:42:38 | 0:42:44 | |
It's given me great pleasure. | 0:42:44 | 0:42:46 | |
If you would like to find out more about how to build a family tree, | 0:42:50 | 0:42:56 | |
or write a will, go to - | 0:42:56 | 0:42:59 | |
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