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Welcome to Heir Hunters, where we follow the search for relatives | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
of people who've died without leaving a will, hoping to unite them with forgotten fortunes. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:10 | |
Today, the heir hunters are looking into an estate | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
worth a possible £80,000. | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
Across the UK, the hunt is on for the relatives | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
who could be in line for a windfall. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
Could someone be knocking at your door? | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
On today's show, the heir hunters take a massive risk | 0:00:41 | 0:00:46 | |
on an estate that may have debts attached. | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
The work we do is a big gamble, | 0:00:50 | 0:00:52 | |
cos we don't know the value of the estate. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
I'll be finding out about the creative career of a man who worked | 0:00:54 | 0:00:59 | |
on one of our best-loved TV shows. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
David Frost came on the phone and he said, "What's all this idea?" I told him and he said, "Oh, great! Super!" | 0:01:02 | 0:01:07 | |
And the team uncover the story of a courageous lady who braved bombs | 0:01:07 | 0:01:11 | |
and blazes to serve her country during the Second World War. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:16 | |
It was a dangerous job. You would be out in the raids, | 0:01:16 | 0:01:21 | |
subject to the same kind of risks that the men were. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
Plus, how you could be entitled to unclaimed estates | 0:01:25 | 0:01:28 | |
where beneficiaries need to be found. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:31 | |
Could you be in line for an unexpected windfall? | 0:01:31 | 0:01:33 | |
Every year in the UK, | 0:01:39 | 0:01:40 | |
an estimated 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:45 | |
If no relatives are found, then any money that's left behind | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
will go to the Government. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:50 | |
Last year, they made £14 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:55 | |
There are over 30 specialist firms competing to stop this happening. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
They're called heir hunters and they make it their business | 0:01:58 | 0:02:03 | |
to track down missing relatives and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
I make sure that the Government doesn't seize assets which do not belong to them. | 0:02:06 | 0:02:12 | |
Heir hunting can be a risky business, and today, the team take | 0:02:18 | 0:02:22 | |
a chance on a case they hope will have value. Will the gamble pay off? | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
It's 7am on a Thursday morning, and staff at Fraser & Fraser, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:30 | |
the UK's largest heir hunting firm, are already hard at work. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:34 | |
The Treasury have just published their list of people | 0:02:34 | 0:02:37 | |
who've died without leaving a will. The team are poring over the names. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
Today's list is particularly lengthy. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
Absolutely huge list for us today. I can't work them all. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
There's 38 on the list. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
But one case has caught partner Neil's attention. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
The only case we're looking at actively at the moment | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
and drawing up trees is a case called Luckarift. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:05 | |
The reason we're doing that is | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
we were able to find the deceased was a company director at one time. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
Heir hunters are paid a percentage of an estate's final value. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:16 | |
So there must be enough money in the case for them to cover costs | 0:03:16 | 0:03:20 | |
and hopefully make a profit. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:21 | |
A company director is likely to have had high earning power | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
and could have left a substantial sum of money. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
So Neil is hopeful this will be a valuable estate. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
Edward Luckarift died on 29th March 2010 in North Wales. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:40 | |
He was 90 years old. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
He spent the last years of his life | 0:03:42 | 0:03:45 | |
in the small Welsh seaside resort of Penmaenmawr, and it was here | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
that he struck up a friendship with fireman Harry Colecliffe. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
Harry met Edward by chance | 0:03:54 | 0:03:55 | |
when he was conducting a fire service training exercise in a scrapyard. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:59 | |
Somebody came running into the scrapyard, and said, | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
"There's an elderly gentleman on the floor outside, near the road." | 0:04:03 | 0:04:08 | |
We got the crew together, went out to render first aid | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
and phoned an ambulance. And that was Edward. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
And just as he was getting into the ambulance, he handed me some keys | 0:04:14 | 0:04:18 | |
and said, "Could you look after my dog?" And off he went. | 0:04:18 | 0:04:22 | |
That was the first time I met Edward. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
It was also the beginning of a strong friendship, | 0:04:24 | 0:04:28 | |
as Harry started to visit Edward in hospital. | 0:04:28 | 0:04:32 | |
I was stuck with his dog, | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
so I went to find out how long he'd be in hospital, | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
and it built up a friendship. He was a real gentleman. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:42 | |
Quite a wit about him. He had so many interesting little stories. | 0:04:42 | 0:04:47 | |
So you sat there and you didn't actually say a word! | 0:04:47 | 0:04:52 | |
All you would say is, "Oh, what happened then?" | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
Off he'd go again and tell you another part of the story! | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
In the office, Neil has tracked down Edward's address, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:04 | |
but he's also discovered a financial record | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
which suggests there may be debts on this estate. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:10 | |
That address has got a caution on...by a bankruptcy firm, | 0:05:10 | 0:05:18 | |
which doesn't sound that good, | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
but I think it's because he probably owned it at some time. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
Taking on a case where the deceased has filed for bankruptcy is risky. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:31 | |
If there's no money in the estate, the team could end up | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
working for no reward. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:35 | |
But if Edward owned the property he lived in, in Wales, | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
it could be worth £80,000. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
So Neil thinks it's a risk worth taking. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
There are very few people with the surname Luckarift in Britain. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:49 | |
The team have less names to work with | 0:05:49 | 0:05:51 | |
and a higher chance of finding the right family. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:54 | |
So research gets off to a flying start, | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
and by 8am, Neil thinks he's found Edward's paternal grandparents. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
Frederick Alfred, he's 50, so was born in 1860. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
Anywhere in particular? | 0:06:07 | 0:06:08 | |
Er, Jersey. This one here, wife is Carterelle. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
They were married circa 1883 and they had three children. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:18 | |
The father's side of the family appear to be | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
based in Jersey in the Channel Islands. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
Neil believes Edward's paternal grandparents | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
were Frederick and Carterelle Luckarift. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:30 | |
They had three children - | 0:06:30 | 0:06:32 | |
Kathleen, Evelyn and Frederick, who is Edward's father. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
Kathleen and Evelyn would be Edward's paternal aunts. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
And if they had any living children, | 0:06:41 | 0:06:43 | |
they could be heirs to Edward's estate. | 0:06:43 | 0:06:46 | |
At the moment, I'm looking at the Evelyn stem. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
She's married to a Nightscale, but I've just found her death. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
She's died as Nightscales. Even though she's changed the name slightly, | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
she still hasn't had any children. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
So looks like it's probably a dead stem, unless she adopted someone. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:04 | |
If Evelyn has had no children, | 0:07:04 | 0:07:07 | |
the only remaining hope on the father's side | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
is Edward's aunt Kathleen, but Gareth is having trouble tracking her down. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:14 | |
All we know is that she's born around 1889, in Jersey, | 0:07:14 | 0:07:19 | |
and living in 1911 in Salford. Other than that, I'm not finding anything. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
Most likely scenario is she's gone back to Jersey. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:28 | |
The team still don't know whether there's any money in this estate, | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
so all their hard work could end up being for nothing. | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
But it's still only 8.30 and, although they've hit a dead end | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
on the father's side, on the mother's side, they're racing ahead. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:43 | |
So we've got Ernest Cox, he's head. He's male. Born 1862. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:50 | |
He's been married for 16 years. Wife, white female, born December... | 0:07:50 | 0:07:55 | |
1865. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
1865. She's married. OK, so now we know, that on the mother's side, | 0:07:58 | 0:08:03 | |
there's only her and her brother. | 0:08:03 | 0:08:05 | |
Tony has discovered that Edward's maternal grandparents, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
Ernest Gresley Cox and Amelie, only had two children - | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
Edward's mother Ernestine and her brother, Edward. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
Edward Gresley Cox was born in 1891, which would make him 23 | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
at the outbreak of the First World War. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
So Neil wonders whether there might be an Army record for him. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:28 | |
British Army. Is he old enough for the Army? Yes. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
His hunch proves correct. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
He was a Flight Lieutenant. General... | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
No, he'd be in the Royal Flying Corps, wouldn't he? | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
He is, he's in the Royal Flying Corps. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:43 | |
From an old Army record, Neil has discovered that Edward Luckarift's | 0:08:43 | 0:08:49 | |
uncle, Edward Gresley Cox, fought for his country in World War I. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:54 | |
He trained as a pilot and served as Second Lieutenant | 0:08:54 | 0:08:57 | |
in the Royal Flying Corps from 1917 to 1918. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
The Royal Flying Corps is a separate entity of the British Army. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
It was formed in 1912. They'd been going about two years before | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
the First War started. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:12 | |
The First World War introduced a new form of battleground. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:18 | |
Whereas before, wars were fought on land and sea, the development | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
of the aeroplane meant the battle could also be taken to the skies. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
And this created a new kind of hero. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:29 | |
Brave young aviators prepared to risk their lives in the skies | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
far above the battlefields. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
It certainly attracted people with more of a spirit of adventure, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:42 | |
and many chaps I met were certainly slightly different. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:48 | |
They had this sense of adventure. Aviation attracted people like this. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
During the First World War, Edward Gresley Cox was stationed | 0:09:52 | 0:09:58 | |
out in Salonika in Greece, | 0:09:58 | 0:09:59 | |
where the initial role of the British Army was to help the Serbs | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
who were being attacked by German, Austro-Hungarian | 0:10:03 | 0:10:07 | |
and Bulgarian forces. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:08 | |
The Royal Flying Corps provided air support and reconnaissance. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:13 | |
But being so far removed from front line action had its disadvantages. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:18 | |
The other theatres where the British Army fought were known | 0:10:18 | 0:10:22 | |
as the sideshows, sort of not the main event, | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
and any decent equipment was always held back for operations | 0:10:25 | 0:10:30 | |
on the Western Front - | 0:10:30 | 0:10:31 | |
Passchendaele, Arras and the Somme. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
These other theatres, and Salonika in particular, | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
really got only the poor or obsolete equipment | 0:10:37 | 0:10:41 | |
which wasn't needed on the Western Front. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
These obsolete aircraft were no match | 0:10:43 | 0:10:47 | |
for the modern German machines, | 0:10:47 | 0:10:49 | |
which were faster and much more effective in battle. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
The British response to this problem was to borrow some fighters | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
from the French air force. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:58 | |
But these planes also came with built-in problems. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:01 | |
The aeroplanes they borrowed off the French was the Nieuport Scout, | 0:11:01 | 0:11:05 | |
a standard fighter in the French Air Service. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
It was equipped with a rotary engine. These were pretty unreliable | 0:11:08 | 0:11:14 | |
and could be fickle, so engine failures were not infrequent. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:19 | |
It was unfortunately while flying one of these aircraft | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
that Edward Gresley Cox died. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:24 | |
On February 22nd, 1918, he and another pilot | 0:11:27 | 0:11:30 | |
in another French Nieuport Scout | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
went out on a reconnaissance mission. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
Unfortunately, Gresley Cox had an engine failure, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:40 | |
and while trying to put the aircraft down on suitable terrain, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:44 | |
crashed and was killed. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
Back in the office, Neil has just discovered | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
this tragic turn of events. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
Killed. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:57 | |
That's important. | 0:11:57 | 0:11:58 | |
So he died 22nd February, '18. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
War records are a vital tool in genealogy, providing heir hunters | 0:12:04 | 0:12:10 | |
with valuable clues about people's lives and family histories. | 0:12:10 | 0:12:13 | |
Most soldiers were required to make a will before going into combat. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:18 | |
And it doesn't take Tony long to find one for Edward Gresley Cox. | 0:12:18 | 0:12:22 | |
This is the probate for the uncle of the deceased, | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
who was killed in the Royal Flying Corps in 1918. | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
Just to say that he's left £141 in 1918. | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
The team must establish who Edward Gresley Cox left his money to. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:40 | |
Could he have left it to a wife and children? | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
If he did have children and they're still alive, | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
they would be cousins of Edward Luckarift's and heirs to his estate, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:51 | |
an estate whose value the team have yet to discover. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:53 | |
Neil has taken a risk in pursuing this case. | 0:12:54 | 0:12:58 | |
The work we do is one big gamble, | 0:12:58 | 0:13:01 | |
cos we don't know the value of the estate. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
And he's yet to find out if his gamble has paid off. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:08 | |
The heir hunters still have a lot of investigating to do, | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
but their research doesn't just reveal beneficiaries. | 0:13:16 | 0:13:20 | |
The heir hunters discovered that Edward Gresley Cox, the uncle of Edward Luckarift, | 0:13:20 | 0:13:26 | |
lost his life during WWI by uncovering his Army records. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
So how can military archives help you find out more about your relatives who served in the forces? | 0:13:30 | 0:13:36 | |
I'm meeting heir hunter Simon Grosvenor, who can tell me more. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
So how do military records help in an heir hunt? | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
They're very useful because the Army were very organised about keeping records. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:49 | |
So there are a lot of records relating to people who've served | 0:13:49 | 0:13:53 | |
not only in the Army, but the Navy and eventually the Air Force as well. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:57 | |
They have a lot of records that tell you things about people we can't find out elsewhere. | 0:13:57 | 0:14:02 | |
For example, in WWI, soldiers were asked to make a will | 0:14:02 | 0:14:06 | |
and in their service book, there was a page - curiously page 13 - | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
where they could make a will and they would write down their next of kin or whoever they wished it to go to, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:16 | |
and sign it. If they were unfortunately enough killed, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:20 | |
the Army would be able to know who their next of kin were. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
The wills in the soldiers' pay books detailing their final wishes | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
sadly proved very necessary during WWI. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
It's estimated that up to 1 million British soldiers | 0:14:31 | 0:14:36 | |
died in the conflict, with 60,000 casualties | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
on the first day of the Battle of the Somme alone. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
And what if you had a relative who'd died in the war? | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
There are various websites that record records of soldiers who died | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
and war graves you can trace as well. | 0:14:49 | 0:14:52 | |
Those will give you more information about people if you can find it. | 0:14:52 | 0:14:58 | |
So I have my great-grandfather's brother, I think, died in the war. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:02 | |
Is it possible to look him up? | 0:15:02 | 0:15:04 | |
We can. Do you know his name? | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
He was Thomas Lister Holmes, which was H-O-L-M-E-S. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:12 | |
And there he is. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
-You only get the initials. -OK. -T L Holmes - we've only got the one, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
and it's almost certainly him. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:24 | |
It gives his rank, his regiment, his age, when he died | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
and his service number. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
You'll also note that it says here he was buried in Sturton-LeSteeple Cemetery... | 0:15:30 | 0:15:37 | |
-Also where he was born. -Which is where the address was - it tells us it's in Withington in Manchester. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:42 | |
It would suggest therefore that he was at home when he died. | 0:15:42 | 0:15:46 | |
I would imagine he died as a result of wounds he'd received. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
There are various other sources that can be useful | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
when tracing your ancestors who served in the military, | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
including pension records, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
regimental indexes of births, marriages and deaths | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
and service records of soldiers, which contain details | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
of their postings, as well as personal information. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
The next of kin originally here | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
was his father. And then it's been changed to an aunt, so I presume | 0:16:11 | 0:16:16 | |
that his father died. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:17 | |
I think it's amazing. You can get so much information | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
from this Army record that for an heir hunter, this must be gold. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:26 | |
They are very useful. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:27 | |
If you can find it, it will tell you things that you might not be able to find, | 0:16:27 | 0:16:31 | |
particularly if they are abroad and you don't know where they've gone. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
You can find out if they had children, who they were, when they were born. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:40 | |
You can find out something about what they looked like | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
and how tall they were. You might find out if you're really tall, | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
you had a very tall great-grandfather or a very short great-grandfather. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:52 | |
And I think people like to know that. So you get to know more about them | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
than you would just from a death certificate or something. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
-It actually builds a picture up, doesn't it? -Thank you. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:02 | |
Next, the story of a woman who did her duty for this country. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
But can the heir hunters find any relatives entitled to inherit her estate? | 0:17:09 | 0:17:14 | |
Heir hunting cases can come from a variety of different sources. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:18 | |
Most are published on the Treasury list, but some are referred | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
by individuals or solicitors acting on their behalf. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:26 | |
This was the case with Diana Paine. | 0:17:26 | 0:17:28 | |
She lived an exciting and glamorous life, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
surrounded by people who loved her. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:34 | |
She was always full of life and game to do anything at all. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
But for some reason, she decided not to leave a will. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:41 | |
Diana died on 14th April 2010, in Langton Green near Tunbridge Wells. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:48 | |
She was 91 years old. | 0:17:48 | 0:17:50 | |
She had spent the last 18 years of her life with her companion, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
Ernest Armstrong, who she met via a lonely hearts advert in a magazine. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
My wife died in 1991, | 0:17:59 | 0:18:03 | |
and, like a lot of men, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
not knowing what to do with themselves, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
I put the advert into the magazine, and Diana got in touch with me. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
Both of us were looking for one thing and one thing only, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
and that was companionship. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
You can't wander round a house all day long looking at pictures. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
You have to do something. We were very lucky. We clicked right away. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:33 | |
Diana left an estate worth £20,000, | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
but she died without leaving a will. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
I don't know why she didn't make a will. I've no idea. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:44 | |
Whether simply because she didn't have any relations as such, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:49 | |
or any nephews or nieces or anything like that, | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
to whom the money would have gone. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
Keen to find out whether Diana did have any family, | 0:18:56 | 0:19:01 | |
and thus prevent her money going straight to the Government, | 0:19:01 | 0:19:04 | |
Ernest contacted a firm of solicitors. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:07 | |
They referred the case to the heir hunters. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:09 | |
We were instructed by the solicitors. They knew we could act quickly | 0:19:09 | 0:19:14 | |
and try to trace the next of kin. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
There was some urgency to get this case tied up. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
Diana had been living in rented accommodation, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:22 | |
and until an heir was found who could legally cancel the rental | 0:19:22 | 0:19:26 | |
agreement, rent would continue to be paid out of her estate. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
So the pressure was on case manager Dave Slee to find some heirs | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
before the money ran out. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:35 | |
At the start, the only information Dave had to go on was that Diana had once been married to a Harry Paine. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:43 | |
His first step was therefore to obtain a marriage certificate. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:49 | |
The information on the marriage certificate confirmed | 0:19:49 | 0:19:51 | |
that the deceased in fact had been married previously and that marriage had ended in divorce. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:57 | |
I was then able to find the deceased's first marriage to a Mr Salmon, | 0:19:57 | 0:20:02 | |
which was about six years prior to her second marriage. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:06 | |
Diana married her first husband John Griffith Salmon in 1940, | 0:20:06 | 0:20:11 | |
but divorced him some time during the Second World War. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
She went on to marry Harry Paine in 1946, and stayed with him until his death some 40 years later. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:22 | |
But sadly neither of these marriages produced any children, which was a cause of great sadness to Diana. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:30 | |
She certainly would have loved to have had a family of her own, which she unfortunately couldn't have. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:36 | |
Even Cocker Spaniels don't make up for the lack of children. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:41 | |
The fact that Diana had had no children | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
meant Dave would have to cast the net wider in his search for heirs. | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
He knew from Diana's marriage certificates that her maiden name was Vaughan-Fowler. | 0:20:48 | 0:20:53 | |
But this initially gave him cause for concern. | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
I'm never happy researching double-barrelled surnames. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
They're often the product of people with delusions of grandeur and are made-up names. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
But in Diana's case, the name was genuine. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:08 | |
She was born as Vaughan-Fowler and even her grandfather was born as Vaughan-Fowler | 0:21:08 | 0:21:13 | |
so it was a name that had gone back in history with the family. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
Diana was born in West Sussex in 1919, the daughter of Alfred Vaughan-Fowler and Mabel Potter. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:25 | |
She grew up and went to school in Tunbridge Wells and initially worked as a shorthand typist. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:30 | |
But when the Second World War started, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:33 | |
her life was to change dramatically, as all women of working age were conscripted into the war effort. | 0:21:33 | 0:21:39 | |
There were an awful lot of jobs | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
that needed to be done and we just didn't have the people to do them | 0:21:42 | 0:21:48 | |
and so uniquely in our history, | 0:21:48 | 0:21:50 | |
the entire female population was conscripted and they volunteered for all sorts of jobs. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:56 | |
Before the war started, Diana's father had been a car salesman and he had taught her how to drive. | 0:21:57 | 0:22:03 | |
It was quite unusual for women to drive at the time. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
The situation where, as happened with Diana, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
the fact that her father was in his line of work | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
meant that it would be pretty easy for her to learn to drive. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:19 | |
Generally, middle-class women might be the ones who learnt to drive. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:24 | |
Diana volunteered to work as a driver for the National Fire Service. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
During the war the demands on the fire service increased dramatically, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:34 | |
as the Luftwaffe dropped bombs and incendiary devices on London and nearby towns. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:40 | |
And as demand for personnel increased, so the roles of women began to change. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:45 | |
Initially women had a very limited range of roles that they were offered. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:50 | |
There would be clerical and telephone work on switchboards. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
It expanded and expanded. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
Initially, what was perceived as something where women would work behind the dangerous stuff, | 0:22:56 | 0:23:02 | |
very quickly, women were out as much as the men in the raids. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:07 | |
Working for the fire service during the raids brought women like Diana into constant danger. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:17 | |
It was a dangerous job. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:19 | |
There's no two ways about it. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:21 | |
You would be out in the raids and subject to the same kind of risks that the men were. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:28 | |
The Germans learned when they were bombing cities | 0:23:32 | 0:23:35 | |
that part of the tactics they evolved was that you would start fires through incendiaries | 0:23:35 | 0:23:42 | |
and then once the fires were started, subsequent bombers would actually attack those fires | 0:23:42 | 0:23:48 | |
and part of it would be about disrupting and targeting the services | 0:23:48 | 0:23:53 | |
like the fire services and the ambulance services. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:57 | |
Diana was based in Tunbridge Wells and was the driver for the chief of the Tunbridge Wells Fire Brigade. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:06 | |
Tunbridge Wells was never subject to the intense bombardment that London suffered, | 0:24:06 | 0:24:11 | |
but the job would still have involved certain risks. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
It was a brave job for a woman to do at the time, and it gave Diana | 0:24:14 | 0:24:18 | |
a new-found status that she hadn't enjoyed before the war. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
She was very proud. She had a status as an officer in the fire service. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:30 | |
She really enjoyed it very much. She enjoyed driving a lot. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:33 | |
It was also while working in the fire service that Diana met her second husband, Harry Paine. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:40 | |
At the end of the war, her husband, who had been in the Navy, | 0:24:40 | 0:24:45 | |
joined the fire service | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
and that is when they met up and got married in 1946. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:52 | |
Harry had been injured during the war and he suffered from ill health throughout their marriage. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:58 | |
But Diana was devoted to him and she looked after him until his death 40 years later. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:04 | |
Having established that Diana and her husband had no children, | 0:25:07 | 0:25:10 | |
Dave's next step was to track down any surviving siblings. | 0:25:10 | 0:25:14 | |
Because we are dealing with a hyphenated surname the research was fairly straightforward | 0:25:14 | 0:25:21 | |
in being able to establish that the deceased had two siblings, one of whom died as an infant | 0:25:21 | 0:25:28 | |
and the other sibling, whose name was Joan, she died as a spinster. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:32 | |
This meant that Diana had no nieces or nephews, | 0:25:32 | 0:25:36 | |
and Dave would have to expand the search to find any surviving heirs. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:42 | |
Our next stage is to try and trace paternal and maternal family and their descendants. | 0:25:42 | 0:25:48 | |
But while Diana's father's name Vaughan-Fowler was easy to research, | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
simply because there aren't that many hyphenated Vaughan-Fowlers in Britain, | 0:25:52 | 0:25:58 | |
investigating Diana's mother's side would prove much more difficult. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
I knew that the research on the maternal family, of the surname Potter, was likely to be far harder | 0:26:01 | 0:26:08 | |
than researching the hyphenated Vaughan-Fowler name of the paternal family. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:15 | |
Coming up, Diana's story proves an inspiration to the family member she's never met. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:21 | |
The impression I'm getting is she was quite a strong woman which I find interesting and encouraging. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:28 | |
Heir hunters solve thousands of cases a year and millions of pounds | 0:26:36 | 0:26:40 | |
are paid out to rightful heirs. But not every case can be cracked. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
The Treasury solicitor has a list of over 2,000 estates which baffled the heir hunters and remain unclaimed. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:50 | |
Bona vacantia is Latin for ownerless goods. We deal with the estates | 0:26:50 | 0:26:55 | |
of people who die intestate and without known kin. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:59 | |
This could be money with your name on it | 0:26:59 | 0:27:02 | |
as long as you are correctly related to the deceased. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
People entitled are those that trace their relationship | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
in a direct line from the deceased person's grandparents. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:12 | |
So a spouse would be entitled, children would be entitled, | 0:27:12 | 0:27:16 | |
aunts and uncles, nephews and nieces, first cousins. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
So are today's featured cases relatives of yours? | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
Could you be in line for hundreds, thousands or even millions of pounds? | 0:27:25 | 0:27:30 | |
Today we're focusing on three names. | 0:27:30 | 0:27:33 | |
Are they relatives of yours? | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
Mary Frances Foyle died way back in March 1967 in Chelsea in London. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:44 | |
Some new assets of Mary's may have come to light, | 0:27:44 | 0:27:47 | |
meaning her name is now on the list of unclaimed estates. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
Was there a Mary Foyle in YOUR family? | 0:27:50 | 0:27:52 | |
Could you be the long-lost heir entitled to her cash? | 0:27:52 | 0:27:57 | |
Vernette Pienaar died on 8th May 2009 in Kilburn, London. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
The surname Pienaar is of Huguenot origin and is now common in South Africa. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:12 | |
Did you know Vernette? Did she ever speak to you about her background or any family she might have had? | 0:28:12 | 0:28:17 | |
James Fred Grant died in Bangkok, Thailand on 26th October 1989. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:25 | |
Although James died in Asia, the surname Grant is very prominent in Northern Scotland. | 0:28:25 | 0:28:31 | |
Did you know James, either in Thailand or the UK? | 0:28:31 | 0:28:35 | |
Can YOU help solve this case? | 0:28:35 | 0:28:38 | |
If James was a relative of yours, | 0:28:38 | 0:28:40 | |
the Treasury wants this money to go to you, its rightful owner. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:45 | |
My division isn't allowed to make a profit, we don't make commission, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:50 | |
or huge bonuses for passing money to the Treasury. | 0:28:50 | 0:28:52 | |
In fact, the Treasury is more interested in - are we finding more kin? Which we are. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:57 | |
Are we good value for taxpayers' money? Which we are. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
A reminder of those names again. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
Mary Foyle, Vernette Pienaar and James Grant. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:06 | |
If any of today's names are relatives of yours, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
then you could be entitled to their unclaimed estate. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:15 | |
Now it's back to the search for relatives of Edward Luckarift. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:23 | |
Later, I'll be finding out more about Edward's career, | 0:29:23 | 0:29:26 | |
but first, let's catch up with the search for heirs. | 0:29:26 | 0:29:30 | |
Heir hunters Fraser and Fraser are investigating Edward's case. | 0:29:30 | 0:29:36 | |
He died in North Wales in March 2010 without leaving a will. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:41 | |
He owned a property worth £80,000. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
But the team have also discovered that he may have had debts. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:48 | |
Neil has therefore taken a calculated risk in pursuing the case. | 0:29:48 | 0:29:52 | |
If there's no money in the estate, the team will not get paid. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:55 | |
But if the value of the property has remained intact, | 0:29:55 | 0:29:58 | |
and not been eaten into by debts, it could be a fairly valuable estate. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:03 | |
The team have been researching the mother's side of the family | 0:30:03 | 0:30:07 | |
and have discovered an uncle, Edward Gresley Cox. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
He died in a flying accident in 1918 and he left a will. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:16 | |
The team wondered whether he might have had a wife and children. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
Emily Elise Gresley Cox, widow. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
-Widow? -Yeah. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:25 | |
But this turns out not to be the case. | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
He's left a grant, letters of administration, probably to his mother. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:34 | |
The fact he's left letters of administration to his mother rather implies he wasn't married. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:41 | |
It's therefore some sense to imply he didn't have any children. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:44 | |
Edward Gresley Cox is the only maternal uncle of Edward Luckarift. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:49 | |
If he had no children, this means there are no heirs on the mother's side of the family. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:54 | |
So the team's only remaining hope of finding an heir is to go back to the father's side. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:59 | |
They've established that Edward's paternal aunt Evelyn had no children. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:03 | |
So they must now try to find some records for Edward's paternal aunt Kathleen. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:09 | |
We've only got one outstanding person to find - Kathleen - | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
and at the moment we can't find anything for her at all. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
However we're starting to think that maybe she's died a spinster. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
The most likely scenario is that Kathleen has gone back to Jersey. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:22 | |
Jersey is quite difficult for us to research, so we'll have to get someone there to do the research. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:28 | |
Although most of Edward's family hailed from Jersey, he himself was born in Salford, near Manchester. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:36 | |
But he was a free spirit who never stayed in one place for long. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:41 | |
Harry Colecliffe only knew Edward during the last five years of his life. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
But in that time Edward regaled him with stories of an exciting career which took him across the Atlantic | 0:31:45 | 0:31:51 | |
and brought him into contact with all sorts of interesting people. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
He started off as a journalist with the Royal Navy, that would have been 1944 to '45. | 0:31:55 | 0:32:02 | |
In 1946 the Canadians were sent back to Canada after the war | 0:32:06 | 0:32:11 | |
and what the Navy wanted was somebody to go with the troops, | 0:32:11 | 0:32:16 | |
find out a little bit about them and write it in some form of newsletter to send back. | 0:32:16 | 0:32:23 | |
He had to go from ship to ship and the only way they could do it was to string a line across, | 0:32:23 | 0:32:28 | |
put him in a bosun's chair and swing him across. | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
He said it was terrifying, but he did it. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:35 | |
After he left the navy, Edward wanted to travel around America. | 0:32:35 | 0:32:40 | |
So a chance meeting with a rather unusual person seemed like the answer to his prayers. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:45 | |
He was a guy called Karl Wickman. | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
He was the guy who owned Greyhound Buses | 0:32:48 | 0:32:52 | |
and he offered Edward a job. He gave him a wad of money to start with | 0:32:52 | 0:32:56 | |
without even giving him a job, sent him down to Fort Lauderdale, | 0:32:56 | 0:33:02 | |
waited down there for him to come, finally turned up | 0:33:02 | 0:33:06 | |
and said, "Right, here's your job, go around all of the Greyhound stations | 0:33:06 | 0:33:10 | |
"and write a little piece on that station for the newsletter." And he did that for 12 months. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:17 | |
With his wanderlust satisfied, Edward then returned to Britain. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:21 | |
Having enjoyed his experience of writing in the US, he decided to continue along this career path, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:27 | |
and he got a job writing radio plays for the BBC. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:32 | |
He did show me files that he had that were all little plays he'd written | 0:33:32 | 0:33:38 | |
and apparently they were actually used on radio at that time. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:43 | |
Soon after this, he landed an extremely prestigious job | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
as a writer on a cutting-edge, new television series. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:51 | |
# That was the week that was... # | 0:33:51 | 0:33:54 | |
That Was The Week That Was was broadcast on the BBC in 1962 and 1963. | 0:33:54 | 0:34:00 | |
Why in fact has Mr MacMillan, the Prime Minister, retired? | 0:34:00 | 0:34:05 | |
I've done two series on the trot and my agent says he doesn't want me to be typecast. | 0:34:05 | 0:34:10 | |
# That was the week that was... # | 0:34:10 | 0:34:12 | |
Edward was in the company of some great comedy writers, including John Cleese, Peter Cook and Eric Sykes. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:19 | |
And the show was groundbreaking in the way it poked fun at the establishment. | 0:34:19 | 0:34:24 | |
We pledge ourselves to ensure that pensioners continue to share | 0:34:24 | 0:34:28 | |
in the good things that a steadily expanding economy will bring. | 0:34:28 | 0:34:31 | |
A million pensioners a week will have to undergo | 0:34:31 | 0:34:34 | |
the means test of national assistance in order to avoid starvation. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
They're not laughing back in the office | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
where the search for heirs is becoming increasingly frustrating. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:48 | |
They've established that there are no heirs on the mother's side of the family, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
as Edward's only maternal uncle died without having any children. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
On the father's side, they've ruled out Edward's Aunt Evelyn, who also had no offspring. | 0:34:55 | 0:35:01 | |
So it looks like it's probably a dead stem. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
So their only remaining hope of finding an heir is through Edward's Aunt Kathleen. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:09 | |
If she has had children, they would be first cousins | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
of Edward's and possible beneficiaries to his estate. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:16 | |
But Neil has taken a huge risk on this case. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:19 | |
A bankruptcy notice that he discovered rang alarm bells early on. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:24 | |
But Neil believes that Edward owned his £80,000 property, | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
and if its value has remained intact, there could still be money in the estate. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:34 | |
Take a seat, sit down and read this. | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
It's early afternoon, and the team have finally found a record for Edward's paternal aunt, Kathleen. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:43 | |
This was one last stem which... we haven't been able to find a marriage for, but we think | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
we've found a death for, and if that death is right, then there's probably children off that. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:53 | |
But Neil has also just discovered the true value of the estate, and it's not looking good. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:59 | |
We think the property is worth £80,000 and we've been informed | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
that there are debts in the estate exceeding the £80,000. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:09 | |
So it is probably going to be an insolvent estate. | 0:36:09 | 0:36:12 | |
This was the last thing they wanted to hear, especially when they were so close to tracking down heirs. | 0:36:12 | 0:36:19 | |
Neil took a gamble in pursuing this case. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
And he now has no choice but to pull the plug. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
Sometimes the feelings we get and our ideas are proved totally wrong. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:32 | |
Luckarift has been one of those cases. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
We looked at it, because we thought it was going to be quite easy. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
Then we found the reference to the deceased being a director of a company. | 0:36:37 | 0:36:43 | |
As inquiries have come in, sometimes values on estates can go up and up and up. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:48 | |
Other times, they go down and down and lead to nothing. | 0:36:48 | 0:36:52 | |
This is one of those cases, so it is a bit of a no-hoper for us. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:57 | |
Luckily we found out early enough where it has not cost us too much. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
Edward Luckarift was a man who lived for the moment, | 0:37:02 | 0:37:05 | |
and it's perhaps not surprising that he didn't leave any money. | 0:37:05 | 0:37:09 | |
If you even went to his house, the one thing he wasn't was materialistic. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:13 | |
It didn't really bother him at all that he didn't have a lot of material things. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:19 | |
He spent the last years of his life looking after his beloved dog, and playing and watching cricket. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:26 | |
He loved his cricket. He travelled down to Lord's, watched the cricket down there. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:33 | |
Played up here in Wales. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
In his house at this moment is still his cricket gear in a cricket bag down in the cellar. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:40 | |
I think, if there's anything I would remember him by, it was his contentment. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:46 | |
He had his dog, he had his cricket | 0:37:46 | 0:37:49 | |
and he had his memories and his writing. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:52 | |
As long as he had what he had, | 0:37:52 | 0:37:55 | |
that was enough. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:56 | |
I think, well, | 0:37:56 | 0:37:58 | |
you know, you can't beat that as a lesson in life, really. | 0:37:58 | 0:38:02 | |
So, unfortunately, no heirs were found this time, | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
but what a fascinating career Edward had. | 0:38:12 | 0:38:15 | |
'I'm meeting writer David Nobbs who also wrote for | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
'That Was The Week That Was, back in the day.' | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
-Hello, David. -Hello, Lisa. -Lovely to meet you. -And you. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:26 | |
Edward Luckarift worked as a writer on That Was The Week That Was. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:29 | |
Was it easy to get a writing job back then? | 0:38:29 | 0:38:31 | |
I don't think it's ever been easy and I don't think anyone would | 0:38:31 | 0:38:35 | |
ever pretend that at any stage you just walked in and did things, | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
but I suspect it might have been a bit easier then than it is now. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:42 | |
Because there were programmes like That Was The Week That Was which ate up material. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
I just rang up and got something accepted, you know. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
# That was the week that was | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
# Time for Tories to take stock... # | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
Edward wrote over 40 letters to the BBC from the mid-1940s onwards, | 0:38:57 | 0:39:02 | |
sending in all sorts of radio plays and programme ideas. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
So, what kind of ideas did he submit? | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
Well, he was very ambitious. These are submissions for whole series. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:13 | |
He didn't start with one-liners, like I did. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
He started with, "This is an idea for a series of variety shows | 0:39:16 | 0:39:20 | |
"called Star Citizens - well-known actors, composers, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
"building a programme around them and having competitions. For crooners if it was a crooner, and so on." | 0:39:23 | 0:39:28 | |
And how did he get his first big break? | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
Well, he had a break on radio, certainly, when he had a radio play | 0:39:31 | 0:39:35 | |
called Mrs Jarrett Comes To Stay accepted, and he did a few | 0:39:35 | 0:39:39 | |
other plays, including I think one called | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
Hobbs Bats on a Sticky Wicket, which is rather intriguing. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
But obviously he wanted to get into television, and as far as | 0:39:45 | 0:39:50 | |
we know That Was The Week That Was was his first attempt at it. | 0:39:50 | 0:39:53 | |
# That was the week that was | 0:39:53 | 0:39:56 | |
# It's over, let it go... # | 0:39:56 | 0:39:58 | |
So how did you get your break? | 0:39:58 | 0:40:00 | |
Well I was working on a local paper, rather like Edward Luckarift, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
but I was in London. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:05 | |
And I had this idea and I wrote it. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:08 | |
I had nipped out of Hampstead Magistrates' Court where | 0:40:08 | 0:40:11 | |
I was reporting and, um, I phoned them and they said, "Send it in." | 0:40:11 | 0:40:18 | |
And I said, "I can't send it in, it's for this week. You've got to have it urgently. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:22 | |
"The Post Office will never get it to you." | 0:40:22 | 0:40:24 | |
So suddenly David Frost, he came on the phone and he said, | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
"What's all this idea?" I told him and he went, "Oh, great. Super!" | 0:40:27 | 0:40:31 | |
And he said, "Ring me tomorrow." | 0:40:31 | 0:40:33 | |
So I rang him the next day and he said, "I'm going to use it." | 0:40:33 | 0:40:37 | |
I was so excited I told everybody I knew, "I'm going to be on television!" | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
Used one line from it - it was a three-minute sketch | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
and he used one line. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:44 | |
It was rubbish. But I had started. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:47 | |
I hear, I hear that this country is now | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
-without an effective prime minister. -Hold on, what's new about that? | 0:40:51 | 0:40:54 | |
We haven't had an effective prime minster for years! | 0:40:54 | 0:40:57 | |
How did the writers work on That Was The Week That Was? | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
Well, we all used to do our stuff at home and send it off, | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
or in our offices. | 0:41:04 | 0:41:05 | |
All separately, and send it off by taxi. | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
There were taxis winging their way through London to the BBC, | 0:41:07 | 0:41:11 | |
always one envelope in them. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:13 | |
And I used to ring Ned Sherrin every week and say I've got a couple of ideas, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:17 | |
and he'd say, "Tell me them." | 0:41:17 | 0:41:18 | |
I'd tell him one and he'd say, "Like it." | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
I'd tell him the other one and he'd say, "Don't like it." | 0:41:20 | 0:41:23 | |
I'd do them both out of sheer cussedness and we'd always do | 0:41:23 | 0:41:26 | |
the one he said he didn't like and never do the one he said he did like. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:30 | |
Good news for air travellers - | 0:41:30 | 0:41:32 | |
more plane services than ever before and we have slashed | 0:41:32 | 0:41:35 | |
prices at midnight from Glasgow to London to only two guineas. | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
That's sensational! | 0:41:39 | 0:41:40 | |
-Which company has permission for these two guinea flights? -BOAC. | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
So I can now fly BOAC Glasgow to London for only two guineas? | 0:41:44 | 0:41:47 | |
Not entirely. The route is operated by BEA. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:50 | |
So BOAC aren't actually running any of these flights? | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
Don't be silly - we'd lose a bloody fortune! | 0:41:53 | 0:41:55 | |
-So there wasn't a big table that you all sat around? -No. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
No, that happened to me later with the Frost Report | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
and I had the great privilege of sitting round with all the boys who later did Monty Python. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:06 | |
-Fantastic! -Wow! -But I was a shy little boy in those days, | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
I sat there in my little bedsit doing it on my own. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:12 | |
So how many people wrote for it? | 0:42:12 | 0:42:14 | |
Every week there would be 18, 19, 20 probably. | 0:42:14 | 0:42:17 | |
A lot of very famous people. I mean, Dennis Potter started out on this. | 0:42:17 | 0:42:23 | |
Waterhouse and Hall were there and Peter Shaffer, all sorts of famous people. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:28 | |
-And somewhere along the line, Edward Luckarift. -Yes. | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
Dear Lord Hailsham. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:33 | |
I have just been reading in the papers | 0:42:33 | 0:42:35 | |
where you're going to give up your title. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
I know you are a busy man, but what I'm writing to ask is, | 0:42:38 | 0:42:42 | |
if you're quite sure you've finished with it, whether I can have it? | 0:42:42 | 0:42:47 | |
Edward went from writing That Was The Week That Was | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
to going back and writing for radio. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
Was that usual for writers to work across different genres? | 0:42:52 | 0:42:55 | |
I think a lot of writers have always written for both | 0:42:55 | 0:42:59 | |
and in fact the classic route is to start on radio and move forward, | 0:42:59 | 0:43:02 | |
get a reputation on radio. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
Cut your teeth on radio, and then move to television. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:07 | |
But sometimes, for various reasons, including necessity, | 0:43:07 | 0:43:10 | |
-writers go the other way. -I think we have got an example. -We have. | 0:43:10 | 0:43:16 | |
And this, actually, I mean, this is very touching for me. | 0:43:16 | 0:43:19 | |
Because of all the things he's written over the years, | 0:43:19 | 0:43:22 | |
this is the one thing that we have left. | 0:43:22 | 0:43:24 | |
And it's a small journalistic piece for Radio North. | 0:43:24 | 0:43:27 | |
Rather amusingly entitled the Whistling Willie Of Warburton. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:31 | |
'Edward Luckarift's only surviving work is a feature about a poacher | 0:43:31 | 0:43:35 | |
'turned gamekeeper called William Noblett who had an unusual whistle.' | 0:43:35 | 0:43:41 | |
"Listen to his epitaph which is still readable on the weather-worn stone: | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
"Though herein he lies a dead Whistling Willie's fame will spread | 0:43:44 | 0:43:48 | |
"For his double tone, piercing drone Which chilled the marrow to the bone | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
"And will be made by him no more It will surely continue by the law. | 0:43:52 | 0:43:58 | |
"What does it mean? | 0:43:58 | 0:43:59 | |
"One of the squire's most frequent visitors was Sir William Peel, | 0:43:59 | 0:44:04 | |
"who built up our police force as we know it today, | 0:44:04 | 0:44:06 | |
"right down to constables' whistles which have that double tone, | 0:44:06 | 0:44:10 | |
"piercing drone mentioned in Noblett's epitaph. | 0:44:10 | 0:44:13 | |
"It was on one of his visits to Warburton that he heard Willie | 0:44:13 | 0:44:16 | |
"that Robert Peel got the idea of the policeman's whistle." | 0:44:16 | 0:44:20 | |
It's a nice little story, a rather sweet little story | 0:44:20 | 0:44:23 | |
and perhaps a nice little epitaph for Edward Luckarift's efforts. | 0:44:23 | 0:44:27 | |
# That was the week that was! # | 0:44:27 | 0:44:29 | |
Here are some more unsolved cases where heirs still need to be found. | 0:44:45 | 0:44:49 | |
The list of unclaimed estates is operated by a government department | 0:44:49 | 0:44:54 | |
- the Bona Vacantia division. | 0:44:54 | 0:44:56 | |
The Bona Vacantia unclaimed list is a list of cases | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
that we haven't found kin for. | 0:44:59 | 0:45:02 | |
The list goes back to 1997 | 0:45:02 | 0:45:03 | |
because that's when our list management system came online. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
The idea is to produce a list of all those solvent cases. | 0:45:06 | 0:45:10 | |
So there should be a few thousand there, possibly many thousands. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:13 | |
And this is money you could be entitled to. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:17 | |
Monies raised through Bona Vacantia goes to the General Exchequer | 0:45:17 | 0:45:22 | |
to benefit the country as a whole. | 0:45:22 | 0:45:24 | |
But it is important to note that the Crown doesn't want all estates at all costs. | 0:45:24 | 0:45:29 | |
It's not how it operates. It wants kin to be found and that's what we work very hard to do. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:34 | |
Let's look at some of the estates from the unclaimed list. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:37 | |
Do these names mean anything to you? Are they relatives of yours? | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
Frances Triplow died on the 12th of February 2009, | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
in Letchworth, in Hertfordshire. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
The surname "Triplow" has its roots in Old English | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
and refers to a lost place on a map. | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
It is most common in Bedfordshire and Cambridgeshire. | 0:45:56 | 0:46:00 | |
Do you share Frances's unusual surname? | 0:46:01 | 0:46:04 | |
Could you be related to him? | 0:46:04 | 0:46:05 | |
Lillian Jessie Gould died back on the 8th of August, 1977. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:11 | |
As Lillian died over 30 years ago, it's probable | 0:46:11 | 0:46:14 | |
some new assets of hers have come to light, | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
meaning her estate is now on the unclaimed list. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
Was there a Lillian Gould in your family's past? | 0:46:20 | 0:46:23 | |
Was she a relative of yours? | 0:46:23 | 0:46:26 | |
Gladys Margaret Allum died on the 2nd of September 2008, | 0:46:28 | 0:46:32 | |
in Welwyn Garden City. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:34 | |
I've got Gladys's death certificate | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
which contains more information about her. | 0:46:36 | 0:46:38 | |
It shows that she was married to Geoffrey Allum. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
Did you know Geoffrey and Gladys? | 0:46:41 | 0:46:43 | |
Did you know anything about Gladys's relatives? | 0:46:43 | 0:46:47 | |
The death certificate also reveals that Gladys was formerly known | 0:46:47 | 0:46:51 | |
as Gladys Margaret Brimley. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:53 | |
Did you know her under this name? Was she a relative of yours? | 0:46:53 | 0:46:56 | |
If you think you're related to any of the names today, | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
you need to prove your link to the deceased in order to claim their estate. | 0:46:59 | 0:47:04 | |
If someone thinks that they are entitled to an estate that | 0:47:04 | 0:47:07 | |
we're dealing with, then they need to contact us. | 0:47:07 | 0:47:11 | |
They can do that direct or via an agent, it's up to them. | 0:47:11 | 0:47:15 | |
And we need to have a simple family tree showing how they think | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
they are related to the deceased person. Nothing complicated. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
Just something straightforward and simple. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:26 | |
And then we will be able to make sure that we're | 0:47:26 | 0:47:28 | |
talking about the same family. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:30 | |
And then we'll ask them to provide certificates of birth, death, | 0:47:30 | 0:47:34 | |
marriage, and also documents of identity | 0:47:34 | 0:47:36 | |
to prove that they are who they say they are. | 0:47:36 | 0:47:39 | |
And then we can look at the claim. | 0:47:39 | 0:47:41 | |
A reminder of those names again - | 0:47:41 | 0:47:44 | |
Frances Triplow, Lillian Gould and Gladys Allum. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
If today's names are relatives of yours, | 0:47:51 | 0:47:53 | |
you could have a windfall coming your way. | 0:47:53 | 0:47:55 | |
Finally today, let's return to the search for heirs | 0:47:59 | 0:48:04 | |
to the estate of Diana Paine, who died aged 91 without leaving a will. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
In April 2010, the heir hunters were investigating Diana's case. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:13 | |
She died near Tunbridge Wells, leaving an estate worth £20,000. | 0:48:13 | 0:48:18 | |
Heir hunter Dave Slee had established that she had | 0:48:18 | 0:48:21 | |
no children, and no surviving siblings or nieces and nephews. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:26 | |
So the search was on for aunts, uncles and cousins, who could be heirs to Diana's estate. | 0:48:26 | 0:48:33 | |
On the father's side, the team had an easy name to work with, Vaughan-Fowler. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:38 | |
There weren't many hyphenated Vaughan-Fowlers in the UK, | 0:48:38 | 0:48:41 | |
so Dave was quickly able to pinpoint the family. | 0:48:41 | 0:48:45 | |
I found her father's birth and I was able to establish that he had two siblings, he had two siblings, | 0:48:45 | 0:48:51 | |
one died a bachelor and one was married and had descendants, | 0:48:51 | 0:48:56 | |
so eventually we were able to locate eight paternal beneficiaries | 0:48:56 | 0:49:00 | |
who would be entitled in the estate. | 0:49:00 | 0:49:02 | |
So far, research had been exceptionally speedy. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
Dave would now write to these beneficiaries to determine their exact entitlement to Diana's estate. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:12 | |
But the search wasn't over yet. | 0:49:12 | 0:49:15 | |
In fact, the hard graft was only just beginning. | 0:49:15 | 0:49:17 | |
Dave now had to turn his attention to the mother's side of the family. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:22 | |
The maternal family... I knew it would be a lot harder because the surname was Potter. | 0:49:22 | 0:49:27 | |
There are thousands of people with the surname Potter in Britain, so Dave had his work cut out. | 0:49:27 | 0:49:32 | |
But after hours of painstaking research, he was finally able to find a record for Diana's mother. | 0:49:32 | 0:49:38 | |
I located the birth of the deceased mother, Mabel Potter, in Brighton, and she was the daughter | 0:49:38 | 0:49:45 | |
of the unusually named Harding Potter, and her mother was Maria, formerly Bryant. | 0:49:45 | 0:49:51 | |
The next stage was to see if Diana's mother had any siblings. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:56 | |
Reviewing the census returns, we were able to establish that Harding Potter and Maria Bryant | 0:49:56 | 0:50:04 | |
had six children including the deceased's mother. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:06 | |
Diana's maternal grandparents, Harding Potter and Maria Bryant, married in 1862 in London. | 0:50:06 | 0:50:14 | |
They had six children - Ada, Elizabeth, Kate, Florence, | 0:50:14 | 0:50:18 | |
Ethel and Mabel, Diana's mother. | 0:50:18 | 0:50:21 | |
If any of Diana's five aunts had children, | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
they would be first cousins of Diana's. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:26 | |
And if any of them were still alive, they could be heirs to her estate. | 0:50:26 | 0:50:31 | |
The pressure was now on Dave to track them down. | 0:50:31 | 0:50:34 | |
When the Second World War ended, Diana settled into married life with her husband, Harry. | 0:50:35 | 0:50:41 | |
But the pioneering spirit she'd shown in her work for the National Fire Service hadn't diminished. | 0:50:41 | 0:50:46 | |
At a time when most women were content to be stay-at-home wives and mothers, | 0:50:46 | 0:50:51 | |
Diana took her first step towards becoming a successful business woman. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:56 | |
She decided that she was going to take over the reins | 0:50:56 | 0:51:00 | |
and she bought this shop in Battle. | 0:51:00 | 0:51:02 | |
The shop was a women's clothing boutique, | 0:51:02 | 0:51:06 | |
and Diana threw herself into the running of the place with gusto. | 0:51:06 | 0:51:09 | |
She proceeded to smarten the place up | 0:51:09 | 0:51:13 | |
and bring it up to date. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:15 | |
For 25 years, she ran this shop in Battle. | 0:51:15 | 0:51:19 | |
She went on to open two more branches in nearby towns | 0:51:19 | 0:51:23 | |
and she even ran fashion shows two or three times a year. | 0:51:23 | 0:51:27 | |
She got all her own staff and one or two other ladies | 0:51:27 | 0:51:32 | |
to make a fashion show and she did very well. | 0:51:32 | 0:51:35 | |
The show was run for one reason only and that was for the Guide Dogs for the Blind. | 0:51:35 | 0:51:41 | |
Diana was tireless in her work for charity, and her clothing business became a great success. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:47 | |
But she was also still caring for her husband, Harry. | 0:51:47 | 0:51:51 | |
He had been injured during the war, and his condition deteriorated as time went on. | 0:51:51 | 0:51:57 | |
When her husband started to get really ill, she gave up the shops, | 0:51:57 | 0:52:02 | |
and they came to live at Speldhurst and they lived in Speldhurst for quite a few years, | 0:52:02 | 0:52:10 | |
until her husband died. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
Diana had looked after Harry for nearly 40 years, and when he died, she was all alone. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:20 | |
She never spoke of her family and believed she had none. | 0:52:20 | 0:52:24 | |
But as Dave Slee was about to discover, | 0:52:24 | 0:52:26 | |
she did actually have a whole set of relatives not a million miles away. | 0:52:26 | 0:52:32 | |
Dave had established that Diana's mother had five sisters | 0:52:32 | 0:52:37 | |
and he was trying to find out whether they'd had children. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:40 | |
He was able to discount two of the sisters straightaway. | 0:52:40 | 0:52:44 | |
Two maternal aunts, Ada and Elizabeth... we established both died as minors. | 0:52:44 | 0:52:50 | |
But Kate, Florence and Ethel had all married and had children. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:55 | |
If these children were still alive, they would be first cousins of Diana's and heirs to her estate. | 0:52:55 | 0:53:00 | |
However, it soon became apparent that most of these cousins were born | 0:53:00 | 0:53:04 | |
around the turn of the century and had already passed away. | 0:53:04 | 0:53:08 | |
All except one. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:09 | |
The first maternal where we were able to locate | 0:53:09 | 0:53:14 | |
was a son of Ethel Potter. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
She married a Mr Pearson, and her son, Bernard, was in fact the only first cousin | 0:53:18 | 0:53:25 | |
who survived the deceased. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
Dave wrote to Bernard, who signed an agreement with the company. | 0:53:29 | 0:53:34 | |
Finally, the team had their first maternal heir. | 0:53:34 | 0:53:38 | |
OK, let's recap. | 0:53:38 | 0:53:40 | |
Having established that Diana's other cousins were no longer alive, | 0:53:40 | 0:53:44 | |
Dave's next task was to look for their descendants. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:48 | |
Diana's Aunt Kate had had three children - Mabel, Kate and Gladys. | 0:53:48 | 0:53:53 | |
I knew that the deceased's cousin Mabel, who was born in 1898, | 0:53:53 | 0:53:56 | |
was likely to be deceased, so I firstly looked for her marriage, | 0:53:56 | 0:54:02 | |
and she married a Walter Wyatt, and then I undertook the search to see if she had any children. | 0:54:02 | 0:54:07 | |
Mabel's marriage to Mr Wyatt... we established that there were three children born to that marriage - | 0:54:07 | 0:54:13 | |
two females and one male. | 0:54:13 | 0:54:16 | |
Dave discovered that the son had passed away, so he wrote to the two daughters. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:21 | |
I informed them that they would be entitled in the estate, and they informed me | 0:54:21 | 0:54:26 | |
that their brother married and he had children, | 0:54:26 | 0:54:28 | |
who are cousins twice removed to the deceased. | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
Diana's cousin Mabel had three children - two daughters and a son, Walter. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:37 | |
Walter had passed away in 2003, but Dave discovered that he had four children. | 0:54:37 | 0:54:43 | |
He managed to find an address for the daughter, Elizabeth, | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
and he wrote to her. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:47 | |
His letter came as a big surprise. | 0:54:47 | 0:54:51 | |
When I first got the letter from Frasers, I think it was back in May, | 0:54:51 | 0:54:55 | |
I was quite surprised. | 0:54:55 | 0:54:57 | |
It just mentions that you may be the heir to someone who's died, | 0:54:57 | 0:55:00 | |
and you have no idea who it might be. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
But Liz and her brothers were curious to find out more, so they wrote back to the company. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:10 | |
You're asked for lots of details about other family members - names, addresses, dates of birth. | 0:55:10 | 0:55:16 | |
I think it was as a result of sending that in, | 0:55:16 | 0:55:19 | |
I got a letter back saying... regards the estate of Diana Ferelyth Paine. | 0:55:19 | 0:55:25 | |
Liz had never heard of Diana. | 0:55:25 | 0:55:28 | |
She was the cousin of Liz's grandmother, so two generations removed from Liz herself. | 0:55:28 | 0:55:33 | |
But she was fascinated to hear about this distant relative. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:37 | |
The impression I am getting is she was quite a strong woman, which I find interesting and encouraging. | 0:55:37 | 0:55:43 | |
I have heard that she was a driver for the fire brigade or something like that during the war. | 0:55:43 | 0:55:50 | |
I've heard she had businesses. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
It is fascinating to find out little bits about Diana. | 0:55:53 | 0:55:56 | |
Someone that happens to be related to you but you've never met. | 0:55:56 | 0:55:59 | |
Liz and her brothers signed with the company, who, in return for an agreed percentage, | 0:55:59 | 0:56:04 | |
would help them claim their share of Diana's estate. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:08 | |
Receiving money from someone she didn't know was a strange experience for Liz. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:13 | |
One of my daughters did mention this is a bit weird, you know - | 0:56:13 | 0:56:16 | |
why should you get money from someone you've never known in their lifetime? | 0:56:16 | 0:56:20 | |
And I suppose that does seem very strange, in a way. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
But the opportunity to find out more about her family was priceless. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:28 | |
I've been thinking a lot about why I haven't heard about Diana. | 0:56:28 | 0:56:32 | |
I can't remember ever asking my dad, which I'm regretting now and thinking | 0:56:32 | 0:56:37 | |
maybe he never shared it, maybe he never knew it. | 0:56:37 | 0:56:40 | |
I think the whole experience has been fascinating, | 0:56:40 | 0:56:43 | |
and it is very interesting to find out more and more about your family. | 0:56:43 | 0:56:47 | |
The team had invested many hours in this case and they had finally tracked down all the heirs. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:54 | |
On the maternal family, I was able to establish | 0:56:54 | 0:56:58 | |
that there was one cousin, unfortunately now deceased, entitled, | 0:56:58 | 0:57:02 | |
and there are nine other cousins once removed or twice removed. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:07 | |
So our research has now concluded that there are 18 heirs entitled to share in Diana's estate. | 0:57:07 | 0:57:14 | |
The final value of the estate was confirmed to be £20,000. | 0:57:14 | 0:57:19 | |
This would be shared between ten heirs on the mother's side | 0:57:19 | 0:57:22 | |
of the family and eight heirs on the father's side. | 0:57:22 | 0:57:25 | |
From our point of view, the research went very well. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:29 | |
It was nice to be able to find the heirs quickly for the solicitor's point of view. | 0:57:29 | 0:57:36 | |
A nice tidy estate for us to research. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 | |
Although she never got to know her extended family, Diana wasn't lonely in later life. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:46 | |
She was lucky enough to find love third time around with Ernest. | 0:57:46 | 0:57:50 | |
And they travelled the country together, providing friendship and companionship for one another. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:55 | |
I was only looking for somebody who may have had the same outlook in life and looking | 0:57:55 | 0:58:01 | |
forward to a little bit of enjoyment in the last years of our lives. | 0:58:01 | 0:58:06 | |
I wasn't expecting to hit the nail on the head first time round. | 0:58:06 | 0:58:12 | |
But I was very lucky in finding Diana. | 0:58:12 | 0:58:16 | |
It was just we enjoyed being with each other all the time | 0:58:16 | 0:58:20 | |
and we didn't have to think about, what about a round-the-world cruise? That didn't come into it at all. | 0:58:20 | 0:58:26 | |
We didn't have to have very expensive things to enjoy life together. | 0:58:26 | 0:58:30 | |
If you would like advice about building your family tree or making a will, go to bbc.co.uk. | 0:58:36 | 0:58:43 | |
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