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Welcome to Heir Hunters. We follow investigators as they search for living family | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
of people who've died without leaving a will. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
Today the team are hoping to find heirs who could be in line for thousands of pounds. | 0:00:07 | 0:00:12 | |
The heir hunters are working on a tricky case worth an estimated £80,000. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:19 | |
'Change of plan. We need you to go towards the Northeast of England.' | 0:00:19 | 0:00:24 | |
They're in a race against time to find relatives who have no idea they're in line for a windfall. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:30 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:30 | 0:00:33 | |
Coming up on today's programme... | 0:00:49 | 0:00:51 | |
On today's show... | 0:00:52 | 0:00:54 | |
This is all wrong. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:55 | |
..a surprisingly common surname in one postcode has the heir hunters baffled. | 0:00:55 | 0:01:01 | |
Walton is just... There's ten a penny of them, | 0:01:01 | 0:01:03 | |
so we're struggling, basically. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
Will they be able to find the rightful heirs to the estate? | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
The heir hunters help uncover the secret of a German PoW. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:16 | |
Anybody asked about the war, he wouldn't talk about it. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
He practically went through hell. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:23 | |
And I'll be finding out more about the German PoWs | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
who were held captive in Britain during the Second World War. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:29 | |
The British in particular | 0:01:29 | 0:01:31 | |
wanted to keep the German PoWs in the UK as a valuable source of labour. | 0:01:31 | 0:01:35 | |
Plus, how you could be entitled to unclaimed estates | 0:01:35 | 0:01:38 | |
where beneficiaries still need to be found. | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
Could you be in line for an unexpected windfall? | 0:01:40 | 0:01:44 | |
Every year in the UK, an estimated 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:49 | 0:01:55 | |
If no relatives are found, any money that's left behind will go to the Government. | 0:01:55 | 0:02:01 | |
Last year, they made £14 million in unclaimed estates. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
But there are over 30 specialist firms competing to stop this happening. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:12 | |
They're called heir hunters and they make it their business to track down | 0:02:12 | 0:02:16 | |
missing relatives and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:02:16 | 0:02:21 | |
I love the fact that I can put families back together, I can reunite people. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
I can tell them secret histories about their own family which they don't know about themselves. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:31 | |
In our first case today, | 0:02:36 | 0:02:38 | |
the team investigate the case of a man who died in Durham. | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
But things don't start out as planned for the heir hunters. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
Can the team get back on track? | 0:02:44 | 0:02:47 | |
In London, it's action stations at Britain's largest heir-hunting firm. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
Last night, the Treasury issued a new list of unclaimed estates, | 0:02:54 | 0:02:58 | |
and the team at Fraser & Fraser are raring to go. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:01 | |
-Walton... -Here. | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
One entry named Cecil Walton looks promising, but this morning there's a spanner in the works. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:11 | |
Hello, phone's not working... | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
Our internet's gone down. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
With the phone lines down, other heir-hunting companies will have got a head start. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:21 | |
This could cost them business. | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
Awful start to the morning. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
Because we're now probably about... | 0:03:25 | 0:03:27 | |
20 minutes... | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
at least, behind the competition. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
Phones should be up and running, and so should the internet. | 0:03:33 | 0:03:36 | |
After a frustrating delay, the phone lines are finally up and running, | 0:03:38 | 0:03:41 | |
and now it's a race to find a case they can work. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:45 | |
Cecil James Walton. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:47 | |
I found a marriage in June '78, in Maidstone. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
The Treasury's list is a major source of work for heir hunters. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
It shows the names of people who've died without leaving a will and have no known relatives. | 0:03:55 | 0:04:00 | |
But it doesn't show any other details, or how much money they've left. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:05 | |
Good morning. I do apologise for troubling you. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:08 | |
I'm making some inquiries about a gentleman who I believe was your neighbour, Mr Cecil Walton. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:13 | |
But now the team's found a possible address for Cecil Walton. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
Can a neighbour shed some light? | 0:04:16 | 0:04:18 | |
Was that his own property? We think he owned... | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
It was his own property, yeah. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:23 | |
Did he ever mention to you about having brothers or sisters or any family members? | 0:04:23 | 0:04:29 | |
Bye-bye, now. Bye-bye. | 0:04:33 | 0:04:35 | |
OK, that's good news. It would appear the deceased | 0:04:35 | 0:04:37 | |
had no children from his marriage to Violet, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:41 | |
who passed away in 2000. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:42 | |
It's the lead they need. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:45 | |
They've confirmed Cecil's address is in a village called Waterhouses, near Durham. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:50 | |
They know he owned his own home and have estimated it's worth £80,000. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:56 | |
The team now know they have an estate worth pursuing. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
We're working the case of Cecil James Walton... | 0:05:01 | 0:05:05 | |
who died on 30th December 2009. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
We know that he owned the property, | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
we know there's a mortgage on it, might be an equity release, not sure. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
But it looks like there's some value there, | 0:05:16 | 0:05:19 | |
so we're attempting to find the beneficiaries at the moment. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:23 | |
Cecil James Walton died in Durham, where he'd lived for over 20 years. | 0:05:25 | 0:05:31 | |
Cecil was a widower and was a popular local figure, as pub landlord Barry Sims remembers. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:38 | |
He used to come in | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
and he was always very tidy, well shaven... | 0:05:40 | 0:05:44 | |
never saw him without a shave. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:47 | |
Suit, a tie or a blazer. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
Even in his spare time, | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
he always was immaculately dressed. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:57 | |
81-year-old Cecil was an avid cricket fan. | 0:05:57 | 0:06:01 | |
He'd often be found watching a match at his local ground, Chester-le-Street. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
He also spent his spare time at the village pub, and as a retired accountant, | 0:06:06 | 0:06:11 | |
he was happy to share his financial know-how with friends and regulars. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:15 | |
He was my mentor, | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
always keeping me right on different issues. | 0:06:18 | 0:06:22 | |
He was very good to listen to and talk to. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:25 | |
Back at the office, | 0:06:25 | 0:06:27 | |
the team's trying to build a family tree through Cecil's parents, | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
as he didn't have any children of his own. | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
All efforts are now focused on this case, as partner Charles Fraser believes it's the only one of value. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:41 | |
We're looking at cousins already, having established that there's no close family. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:47 | |
We've a lot of people working on this case, so research is going quickly. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:52 | |
They've found his birth details, | 0:06:52 | 0:06:55 | |
which show the names of his parents | 0:06:55 | 0:06:57 | |
are Mary Annie Robson and Edwin Walton. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
On the basis the deceased was an only child, | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
you have two sides to the family, and both are pretty common names. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
An initial search is showing a surprisingly large number of Waltons married to Robsons. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:12 | |
Sedgefield... | 0:07:12 | 0:07:13 | |
Teesside's ours, Durham... | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
There's another one, Durham. Could be that one. Um... | 0:07:16 | 0:07:22 | |
And the team starts to realise they've hit a stumbling block. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:27 | |
Walton - I thought it was going to be a relatively straightforward name. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:31 | |
But it turns out it's quite an area name... | 0:07:31 | 0:07:33 | |
..which is going to possibly cause some problems. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
There are literally dozens of Waltons on the database in Durham. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:43 | |
All these are Waltons to Robsons? | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
Yep, and all those are marriages. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:50 | |
Walton, there's ten a penny of them. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:53 | |
So... | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
We're struggling, basically. | 0:07:55 | 0:07:57 | |
In fact, the name Walton is five times more common in County Durham than the rest of the country. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:03 | |
To make progress, they're going to have to run with names that look likely, | 0:08:05 | 0:08:10 | |
and researcher Gareth has found some possible options for Cecil's father, Edwin Walton. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:16 | |
One born 1891, in Teesdale... which is the right area, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:21 | |
but we don't, as yet, have a death for him. And the other one... | 0:08:21 | 0:08:25 | |
is born in 1903... | 0:08:25 | 0:08:27 | |
born Tynemouth, but we do have a death for him. | 0:08:27 | 0:08:32 | |
So, which one's right, at this stage, is hard to know. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
The team begins exploring the two possibilities. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
Will either give the breakthrough they need? | 0:08:38 | 0:08:41 | |
I've detached this tree from the first page. This is all wrong. | 0:08:41 | 0:08:46 | |
But it's soon looking like any line of research is a stab in the dark. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:51 | |
We know the 1891 birth of Edwin, the deceased's father, is wrong. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:56 | |
Then we've got the 1903 one. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
Now I'm having doubts about that too, so we're back to the drawing board. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:04 | |
With most of the office working this case, | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
they're desperate to confirm the right details for Cecil's parents. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
It's time to ask for help. | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
The company employs a team of regional heir hunters, who are on standby up and down the country. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:26 | |
These researchers provide a vital role collecting birth, | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
marriage and death certificates from local register offices, all in the race to find and sign up heirs. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:39 | |
David Pacifico phones Colin, the company's Northeast researcher, with a crucial request. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:47 | |
What we need to do is get the parents' marriage certificate from Bishop Auckland. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:55 | |
We've spoken to the register office - they will be happy to do it if somebody calls, | 0:09:55 | 0:10:01 | |
because we really are struggling on this, we need to identify the births for the parents. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:08 | |
But with so many threads for this difficult case, David's still concerned. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:14 | |
Because this is of value and we now have two sides of the family, we need two people. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:20 | |
He decides to take Watford-based Ewart Lindsay off another case in Leicester | 0:10:21 | 0:10:25 | |
to help inquiries on the ground. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
-'Ewart?' -Dave! | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
'Change of plan. We need you to go towards the Northeast of England, around Durham. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:37 | |
-'The one case which has value.' -OK. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
'You're just south of Leicester?' | 0:10:40 | 0:10:42 | |
-I am, yeah. -'Thanks, Ewart. I'll catch up with you later.' -Bye. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:47 | |
'Bye.' | 0:10:47 | 0:10:48 | |
I love this job! | 0:10:49 | 0:10:51 | |
Don't you just love this job? | 0:10:51 | 0:10:53 | |
Been diverted from Leicester to Durham. | 0:10:53 | 0:11:00 | |
That's no mean feat, I tell you. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:02 | |
Now it's all hands on deck, trying to solve the case of Cecil Walton. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:10 | |
I'm starting to doubt our own research now. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
But until they get a marriage certificate for Cecil's parents | 0:11:13 | 0:11:18 | |
to confirm names of grandparents and hopefully lead to cousins, the office is in limbo. | 0:11:18 | 0:11:23 | |
Without that, we're really getting a bit stuck. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
It's too common a name to know which is the right births. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
It's not going very well. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:32 | |
So, the name Walton | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
is hampering the heir hunters' investigation | 0:11:39 | 0:11:42 | |
as it's a common regional name. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:44 | |
Is this a common problem for the probate researchers? | 0:11:47 | 0:11:50 | |
In order to find out, I've come to have a chat with Neil, | 0:11:50 | 0:11:53 | |
who's going to fill me in about the spread of surnames around the country | 0:11:53 | 0:11:58 | |
and how this affects their research. | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
So, why is it that some surnames are regional? | 0:12:01 | 0:12:03 | |
There's lots of different theories about regional surnames | 0:12:03 | 0:12:07 | |
and what actually makes a regional surname. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
On a larger scale, we have English surnames, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:14 | |
so they are regional, but they're regional to England or the UK. | 0:12:14 | 0:12:17 | |
We also have regional surnames for Wales, obviously with the Jones and the Edwards. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:22 | |
But on the scale of what we're talking about | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
are names which are... | 0:12:26 | 0:12:28 | |
We're more interested in actual places, | 0:12:28 | 0:12:32 | |
and why they're about is sometimes because of an occupation which comes from an area, | 0:12:32 | 0:12:37 | |
sometimes because of a geographical feature. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
It's very hard to say why a name comes from a particular area, | 0:12:41 | 0:12:45 | |
but they do and it makes our job hard. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
And are there any examples of names that come from a particular area? | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
There's one name which springs to mind, and that surname's Rimmer. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:56 | |
Now, Rimmer is not a common name in the United Kingdom | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
until we look at Southport. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:02 | |
In Southport it is an incredibly common name. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
-And why is that? -HE SIGHS | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
There's two theories on it, really. The first is that the Rimmer stands for "Rymer", | 0:13:08 | 0:13:13 | |
and there was a lot of Rymers coming from the area. | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
The other theory is that Southport was next to a mere, an area of marshland, | 0:13:16 | 0:13:21 | |
and the population lived on the rim of that, hence Rimmer. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
But if we look at that on a map, it really does highlight | 0:13:25 | 0:13:30 | |
just how common the surname Rimmer is in Southport. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
Regional surnames like Walton or Rimmer | 0:13:33 | 0:13:37 | |
can either help or hinder an heir hunt, as Neil's about to demonstrate. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
What we can see here is a map of the United Kingdom from 1881. | 0:13:41 | 0:13:46 | |
The date is taken off the census. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
We can see that the Rimmer surname | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
is confined just to the area of Lancashire and Cheshire. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
There's hardly anyone else in the rest of the country with the surname Rimmer. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:58 | |
That's amazing, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:00 | |
to see that Rimmer really is specific to that area. | 0:14:00 | 0:14:03 | |
Is this a problem for trying to find heirs? | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
Yes. If we're doing research and we're looking at the surname of Rimmer, | 0:14:07 | 0:14:12 | |
it's generally quite a good surname to research. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
We would hope to be able to get onto the family fairly quickly. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
However, if the family we're looking at is from Southport | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
then it's not a unique surname any more, it's not a unique event, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
and therefore it's hard to find that unique person. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
There are more than likely going to be two people with the same name. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:34 | |
Unfortunately, the only way around this problem | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
is to check and double check their research. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
They must find the correct birth, death and marriage certificates | 0:14:40 | 0:14:44 | |
in order to have concrete proof they're dealing with the right people. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:48 | |
It's a laborious and expensive process. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
I wonder what type of challenge Faulkner would be on an heir hunt. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
-So, can we look up my name? -Of course. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:58 | |
So, what we have here is a map from 1881, | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
and we can see that you're not really a Celt. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:07 | |
-No! -There's not very much from Wales or the Southwest or Scotland. | 0:15:07 | 0:15:10 | |
It's really confined to the area between London and Birmingham. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:17 | |
That's really strange. | 0:15:17 | 0:15:18 | |
I thought Faulkner was originally a Scottish name. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
"Falcon hunter", somebody told me, so I thought that | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
when you were going to show me 1881, it'd all be up the top. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
All up in Scotland, but not in Scotland at all. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
-And if we move that forward, we can have a look in 1998. -Oh, wow! | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
You can see the surname has spread slightly out throughout the country, | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
so no longer are you just confined to the corridor | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
between London and Birmingham. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:45 | |
You've got a bit now in the Southwest and it's covering much more of the Midlands. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
-But still not very common up in Scotland. -So, that's amazing. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
I just think it is mad because I really thought | 0:15:52 | 0:15:58 | |
you would have a lot of Faulkners up in Scotland. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
Well, it's definitely confined to this corridor around the Midlands | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
and you're a Midlander. If we look at Fraser... | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
-Yeah. -..Fraser really is a surname which is up in Scotland. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:13 | |
So, here's in 1881. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
-You can see there's nothing in England at all. -None. Yeah. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
-Everything's north of the border. -That's amazing, isn't it? | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
Sometimes you don't realise where names are from | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
and it can make what you think is a very easy job, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:28 | |
very easy piece of research, incredibly hard... | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
-Yeah. -..when we suddenly come across a regional name. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
Does it make a difference how it's spelt? | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
If you take Faulkner, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
which can be spelt F-A-U-L-K or F-A-L-C-O-N-E-R, | 0:16:38 | 0:16:41 | |
like a falconer, would that change the region as to where it was? | 0:16:41 | 0:16:45 | |
Yeah, particular names which are spelt different ways, | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
although people think they may originate from the same place and the same... | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
often we find it's a totally different surname. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
-Oh, right, OK. -And the history has brought them together | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
because they are such similar names. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:03 | |
And then, through people being unable to read and write, | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
as those names have been recorded by other people, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:08 | |
-they just have spelt them as they sound. -Yeah. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
That's why we get variations on the names. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:14 | |
It's been a fascinating insight | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
into the sometimes confusing world of regional surnames, | 0:17:18 | 0:17:22 | |
and a revelatory one for me. | 0:17:22 | 0:17:24 | |
No longer do I claim Scottish roots! | 0:17:24 | 0:17:26 | |
Coming up, the case of Cecil Walton continues in its confusion. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:36 | |
-Is Anne still alive? -But the chase for heirs carries on regardless. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
There is one still alive. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:43 | |
Um... Which I'm going round to see her now. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
Next, a case that starts in Germany | 0:17:50 | 0:17:53 | |
has the heir hunters searching for living relatives here in the UK. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:57 | |
Heir hunters never know where a case may lead, | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
or the family secrets they'll uncover. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
And when they were called to trace the relatives of a former soldier, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:07 | |
they revealed a story that had lain secret for 60 years. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
It would amaze his children, who knew nothing of their father's past. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:16 | |
Heir-hunting firm Celtic Research is run by father-and-son team Peter and Hector Birchwood. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:25 | |
Peter's based in Wales, and in 2008 he was approached by a German bank | 0:18:25 | 0:18:30 | |
about an estate that ran into six figures. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
I got a letter from them | 0:18:34 | 0:18:36 | |
some time ago now, saying that they had this particular case, | 0:18:36 | 0:18:41 | |
it was a German case worth about 100,000 euros, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:46 | |
give or take a bit...and the... | 0:18:46 | 0:18:49 | |
bit of the family they wanted information about was one of the members who'd come over to England | 0:18:49 | 0:18:56 | |
just after the last war in the 1940s. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:00 | |
Peter's task was to find the relatives of a Gustav Sturm, believed to be in the UK. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:07 | |
His cousin Frida had died in Germany. | 0:19:07 | 0:19:11 | |
Frida was married, her husband had died before her, | 0:19:11 | 0:19:15 | |
she had no children and she never left a will. | 0:19:15 | 0:19:18 | |
So, when she died intestate, | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
her estate should be divided amongst her living relatives - | 0:19:21 | 0:19:27 | |
in this case, cousins. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
Frida was the only child of Gustav and Anna Brandt. | 0:19:29 | 0:19:34 | |
Her father had 11 brothers and sisters, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
but few of them left descendants. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
However, Frida's Aunt Whilhelmine did have a child, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
also called Gustav. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:45 | |
The bank had got an idea of when he came to England, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
and, from that, it was just a matter of trying to find out | 0:19:50 | 0:19:56 | |
if he'd died here, which he had. | 0:19:56 | 0:19:58 | |
Gustav Sturm passed away in January 1994, at the age of 78. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:05 | |
Born to German farmers in East Prussia, Gustav had lived the last 46 years in Britain. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:11 | |
He had spent much of his life farming in the village of East Garston, where he had four children. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:17 | |
He was a widely-known and respected man. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:22 | |
Gus was a very quiet, very hard-working man. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:27 | |
Not frightened of anything, | 0:20:27 | 0:20:29 | |
would talk to anybody, but didn't need other people's company. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
For 20 years, Roger's father had employed Gustav to run his dairy farm. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:40 | |
Gus never talked about his past at all. I never knew where he came from or what he did during the war. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:47 | |
Or about his... | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
own family back home in Germany. We never knew. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:53 | |
But it was clear to the heir hunters what had happened to Gustav after the war. | 0:20:55 | 0:21:00 | |
The most likely explanation as to why Gustav came to Britain in 1944 | 0:21:02 | 0:21:07 | |
was that he'd been a German prisoner of war - | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
one of a vast number who were captured and held in Britain. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:15 | |
At peak time, there were over 400,000 prisoners of war | 0:21:15 | 0:21:18 | |
in British camps, distributed all over the country. | 0:21:18 | 0:21:21 | |
There, they were first of all politically screened, interrogated, | 0:21:21 | 0:21:26 | |
to separate out the Nazis from the non-Nazis. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:30 | |
They were actually categorised in three different groups - | 0:21:30 | 0:21:35 | |
the Blacks, the Greys, the Whites - | 0:21:35 | 0:21:37 | |
with the Whites being those who had very little to do with the Nazis, the moderates. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:42 | |
And the most ardent Nazis were put up in the North, | 0:21:42 | 0:21:46 | |
often in rural areas, to be isolated from local villages and the population. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:53 | |
There were 600 camps holding German prisoners like Gustav, with the aim | 0:21:53 | 0:21:58 | |
of steering them from Nazi ideology, and using their labour. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
There was a lot of war damage, which the prisoners helped to repair. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:06 | |
Housing stock was damaged quite badly by the war. | 0:22:06 | 0:22:13 | |
Rubble needed to be cleared away. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
The general population felt that this was a fair contribution | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
of the prisoners towards what was damaged by Germans during the war. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:25 | |
But the policy of holding the men captive indefinitely was against the Geneva Convention. | 0:22:27 | 0:22:32 | |
In 1948, the German prisoners were freed. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
Many were given the option to stay, and when Peter found Gustav's death certificate, | 0:22:35 | 0:22:41 | |
it gave a clue to his reasons for remaining in Britain. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
And it named a possible heir. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
I saw that on the death certificate it showed he'd been married, | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
he'd got at least one daughter and I noted that the informant | 0:22:51 | 0:22:56 | |
was his daughter, Mary Selwood. | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
A pictured was emerging that Gustav had married an English girl, Dorothy McLean, just after the war in 1948. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:07 | |
And they'd had four children - Mary, Timothy, Nigel and Thomas. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
Peter was able to find contact details for Gustav's children, | 0:23:14 | 0:23:18 | |
and today he's making the 200-mile journey from Wales to Berkshire to meet them. | 0:23:18 | 0:23:24 | |
We're on our way to see Mrs Selwood and her brother, Tim. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:30 | |
They're two of the heirs in this case. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
We'll give them the family tree, take a look at it, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
and see where they fit in and where their cousins in Germany fit in. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
He's brought a family tree with names of the heirs' German relatives, to confirm their lineage. | 0:23:46 | 0:23:51 | |
He also has the paperwork for a claim which may entitle them to a share of a 100,000-euro inheritance. | 0:23:53 | 0:24:00 | |
This case is all about a lady who died in Germany a couple of years ago, called Frida Furich. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:07 | |
Right. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
And... | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
-she would have been a first cousin of your late father. -Right. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:17 | |
This whole thing is that her estate has to go to her nearest living next of kin, | 0:24:17 | 0:24:22 | |
who are going to be her cousins, and this is where your father comes in. | 0:24:22 | 0:24:26 | |
The estate is worth around about 100,000 euros. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:30 | |
That will be divided amongst your father's family - that's you and your other brother - | 0:24:30 | 0:24:37 | |
and amongst the family of... | 0:24:37 | 0:24:42 | |
of his Uncle Albert's children. | 0:24:42 | 0:24:45 | |
Tim and Mary have signed an agreement that the company will act on their behalf. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:50 | |
But for them, the most exciting thing | 0:24:50 | 0:24:53 | |
is they have an opportunity to learn more about their long-lost relatives. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
What part of Germany do the cousins live? | 0:24:57 | 0:25:02 | |
Your cousin Klaus lives in Siegburg... | 0:25:03 | 0:25:08 | |
-Dirk Hohmeister lives in Bonn. -Right. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:13 | |
-It would be nice to get their address. -Yes. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
It's been a worthwhile visit for Peter, who has signed heirs on behalf of the German bank, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:20 | |
but for the heirs, it's re-awoken a curiosity | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
about their own German ancestry, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:26 | |
about which their father never spoke. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:29 | |
It was a surprise to hear that we were heirs to a lady in Germany that we hadn't... | 0:25:29 | 0:25:36 | |
known about or heard anything from. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:39 | |
We knew our dad was German, we didn't know how much family | 0:25:39 | 0:25:44 | |
he had in Germany, or anything about his life there. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
As their father had passed away 16 years earlier, Tim and Mary believed | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
all links to their German family had died with him. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:57 | |
I personally didn't know anything about my grandparents in Germany. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
I've always wanted to know more about them. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
Dad himself didn't like to talk much about it, | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
so information was very... | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
-Limited. -Very limited. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
Trying to find things out is not easy. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
We always thought he just wanted to leave the past behind. | 0:26:17 | 0:26:21 | |
We've just seen how Gustav Sturm was a prisoner of war in England | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
in the 1940s. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:29 | |
But how did he end up living here as a free man? | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
In order to find out, I've come to meet Professor Kent Fedorowich, | 0:26:34 | 0:26:39 | |
who can hopefully explain. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:41 | |
-Hello, Kent. -Hi. Pleased to meet you. -Nice to meet you. | 0:26:41 | 0:26:44 | |
Why weren't German prisoners like Gustav released | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
as soon as World War Two was over? | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
I think one of the basic reasons is although there are legal obligations | 0:26:49 | 0:26:53 | |
for the Allied powers to release German prisoners of war immediately, | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
the legal niceties of the Geneva Convention do not match | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
the economic and political realities of post-war Europe. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:04 | |
So, in many cases what happens is that the priorities of the Allies | 0:27:04 | 0:27:10 | |
are to rebuild northwestern Europe, | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
they are to resupply food into the civilian population. | 0:27:13 | 0:27:16 | |
And Japan is still at war with the Allies, so there's a great mobilisation | 0:27:16 | 0:27:20 | |
to send more troops to the Far East, and as a result, there's a severe shortage of shipping. | 0:27:20 | 0:27:25 | |
But also, from a political point of view, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
the British in particular want to keep the German PoWs in the UK | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
as a valuable source of labour | 0:27:32 | 0:27:33 | |
because there's so many British soldiers | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
still in the British Army, they haven't been demobilised, and as a result, | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
there's a great shortage in key industries like agriculture and forestry. | 0:27:40 | 0:27:45 | |
Despite it being illegal under the Geneva Convention | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
to keep PoWs after the war had ended, | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
Germany at the time was no place to be sent back to. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
Devastated physically and economically, it was viewed | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
that the German PoWs would actually be better cared for in the UK. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:04 | |
When were they officially allowed to go back? | 0:28:04 | 0:28:07 | |
What happens is that between 1945 and 1948, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:11 | |
there's a staged repatriation of these German PoWs, | 0:28:11 | 0:28:15 | |
and a lot of it has to do with very simple logistical issues. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:20 | |
Are there enough ships to take them back? | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
Is the territory that they're going back to now West Germany? | 0:28:24 | 0:28:27 | |
Is it safe for them to go back to? | 0:28:27 | 0:28:29 | |
There's a lot of reconstruction that needs to be done in these countries | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
before these men can go back anyway. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:35 | |
The other thing too, the immediate issue after the ending of the war in Europe, | 0:28:35 | 0:28:40 | |
is the fact that there's still a war in the Far East, | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
so a lot of the logistical issues with regards to transport in particular | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
are now being geared up to send more and more troops to the Far East. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:51 | |
So, the priority is to finish the war off in the Far East. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
So, PoWs are on the low end of the totem pole | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
when it comes to prioritising them | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
to ship them back to their home countries. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
With the Allies still at war with Japan, | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
the PoWs like Gustav stayed put. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
In his case, permanently. But were they made welcome? | 0:29:08 | 0:29:12 | |
Public opinion, primarily, for most of the war, was that the Germans were the aggressors, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:17 | |
they were the pariahs with regards to international relations. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:22 | |
But once the D-Day invasion began to take hold in Europe, | 0:29:22 | 0:29:27 | |
British public opinion began to change its attitudes towards the German PoWs - | 0:29:27 | 0:29:32 | |
at least those that were not hardline Nazis | 0:29:32 | 0:29:34 | |
or worked with the Gestapo or the SS or other organisations like that. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:39 | |
So, over the course of the war and then into the post-war period, | 0:29:39 | 0:29:43 | |
there's a normalisation of relations, particularly with those German PoWs | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
who are billeted to local farmers and their families. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
And was Gustav's story a common one? | 0:29:51 | 0:29:53 | |
What sort of German stayed in the UK? | 0:29:53 | 0:29:56 | |
Well, it's interesting, because a lot of the stories about German PoWs | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
who stay in the UK and were not repatriated | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
is not necessarily an uncommon event, | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
but most of the stories are usually handed down through family members, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:10 | |
through the local press, et cetera. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
So, of the 15,000 who stayed in this country... | 0:30:13 | 0:30:17 | |
Which is quite a large number, but considering that in May of 1945 | 0:30:17 | 0:30:21 | |
there were 381,000 German PoWs in this country at that time. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
-Wow. -So, as a result, many of the men who probably stayed | 0:30:24 | 0:30:29 | |
-obviously had struck up relationships with local women. -Yep. | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
They may have also had children by those relationships. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:37 | |
And if they had come from eastern Germany, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:40 | |
which was now under Soviet control, | 0:30:40 | 0:30:42 | |
the chances are that they would have been... | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
retaken by Soviet authorities and may have shipped out | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
to eastern Russia or western Russia, to Siberia, to work in the Gulags. | 0:30:50 | 0:30:55 | |
Not a pleasant prospect for an East German PoW like Gustav. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:03 | |
Life behind the Iron Curtain versus a new life here in the UK, | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
Gustav chose to stay. | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
Despite the grim prospect of returning home, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:12 | |
it must have been an extremely painful decision to have to make, | 0:31:12 | 0:31:16 | |
to leave everything you've known, your family, your home, for ever. | 0:31:16 | 0:31:20 | |
Heir hunters solve thousands of cases a year, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
and millions of pounds are paid out to rightful heirs, but not every case can be cracked. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:40 | |
The Treasury has a database of over 2,000 names | 0:31:40 | 0:31:44 | |
which have baffled the heir hunters, and remain unsolved. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
This is known as the bona vacantia list. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
Bona vacantia is the Latin term for ownerless property. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
We deal with two types. | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
We deal with the property of now-dissolved companies, but we also deal with | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
the estates of those who die without a valid will or anyone entitled to inherit. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:05 | |
This is money that could have your name on it. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
Money raised through bona vacantia ultimately goes to the General Exchequer, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:13 | |
to benefit the country as a whole. | 0:32:13 | 0:32:14 | |
But the Crown doesn't want to grab all the estates it possibly can. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
It's keen for kin to be found and for people to make wills. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
That's how to stop property becoming bona vacantia. Make a will. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:24 | |
So, are today's featured cases relatives of yours? | 0:32:24 | 0:32:28 | |
Could you be about to receive a lump sum of thousands or even million of pounds? | 0:32:28 | 0:32:32 | |
James Judge died in Notting Hill, London, in July 2001, aged 81. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:40 | |
James was born on the 13th of February 1920. | 0:32:42 | 0:32:45 | |
Was there a James Judge in your family with that date of birth? | 0:32:45 | 0:32:50 | |
Did you know George McGlade from Hoylake in the Wirral? | 0:32:52 | 0:32:55 | |
He died in October 2003, and may have come from Scotland. | 0:32:55 | 0:32:59 | |
So far, no-one has come forward to claim his estate. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
Are you a relative of George's entitled to his cash? | 0:33:04 | 0:33:07 | |
Leonard Frederick Nye died back in November 2004 in Southampton. | 0:33:10 | 0:33:15 | |
The name Nye is common in parts of the south coast of England | 0:33:15 | 0:33:19 | |
and derives from the meaning, "the inhabitants of an island". | 0:33:19 | 0:33:22 | |
Do you share the surname Nye? | 0:33:24 | 0:33:25 | |
Could Frederick be a member of your family? | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
Dealing with estates where there is no will or no known kin | 0:33:28 | 0:33:32 | |
-is carried out by the Treasury Solicitor's Department. -Oddly enough, | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
the Treasury Solicitor isn't part of Her Majesty's Treasury. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:40 | |
There is some confusion, but we do work for all Government departments, not just the Treasury. | 0:33:40 | 0:33:45 | |
A reminder of those names again. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
James Judge. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:49 | |
George McGlade. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
And Frederick Nye. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
If any of the names today ring a bell with you, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
you could have a windfall coming your way. | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
Still to come, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:06 | |
the heirs embark on a journey of discovery. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:08 | |
Trenches and barbed wire and pillar boxes 250 kilometres deep. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:14 | |
The revelations are going to be an eye-opener. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:20 | |
Dad was always our hero and he'll always be our hero. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
But first, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:30 | |
let's return to the hunt for heirs to the estate of Cecil Walton. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
The heir hunters are pulling out all the stops | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
to find the heirs to Cecil's estate. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:41 | |
The marriage is the clue... is the key to this. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
He was a widower who died in Durham in December 2009, without any children. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:52 | |
He was always very...tidy. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:56 | |
Well-shaven. Never saw him without a shave or nothing. | 0:34:56 | 0:35:00 | |
A lovely old fella. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
They know the case has value, but it's proving more difficult than anyone imagined. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:08 | |
How's it going? | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
One in ten Waltons in the UK live in County Durham. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:14 | |
We're struggling. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:16 | |
But has the decision to send a traveller | 0:35:16 | 0:35:18 | |
-to pick up a marriage certificate in the Northeast paid off? -Yeah. | 0:35:18 | 0:35:23 | |
Brilliant. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:28 | |
We've got the marriage in 1927. It shows that... | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
the birth we were thinking could be correct...is right. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
He's the son of Thomas Walton, and that's what we've been working on. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:41 | |
The mother is the daughter of William James Robson. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
They'll check if they can identify her birth from census records. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
It's a massive breakthrough. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
Without the right marriage details for Cecil's parents, the research had ground to a halt. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:57 | |
Now they've got two concrete stems to trace. | 0:35:57 | 0:36:02 | |
They know Cecil's father, Edwin Walton, came from East Ward, | 0:36:02 | 0:36:06 | |
and his mother, Mary Robson, came from Great Ousebourne. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
A lead soon materialises for the mother's side of the family. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:13 | |
On the maternal side of the family, Mary Robson we think had a brother, Walter Robson. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:20 | |
Um... So...they're working on that at the moment. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
Researcher Jo is on the case, trying to track down | 0:36:25 | 0:36:28 | |
a birth certificate for Mary Robson's brother, Walter. | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
Good morning, I was wondering if you could help. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:35 | |
I'm trying to get hold of some birth certificates | 0:36:35 | 0:36:38 | |
of people who were born in the early 1900s in Great Ousebourne. | 0:36:38 | 0:36:43 | |
But it looks like it's going to take hours for the register office to fax through the document. | 0:36:43 | 0:36:50 | |
OK, after two. That will be brilliant. | 0:36:50 | 0:36:53 | |
Thanks. Cheers, bye. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:54 | |
And when other companies could be looking at the same case, time is of the essence. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:03 | |
One of the travelling researchers, Ewart, is almost in the Durham area | 0:37:04 | 0:37:09 | |
after two and a half hours on the motorway. | 0:37:09 | 0:37:12 | |
-The office has an urgent task for him. -Hi, Ewart. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
-'Can you go over to York Register Office?' -Right. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
'Not a million miles away from you. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
-'We've ordered a couple of certs, which have been paid for.' -Right. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:24 | |
We were told to come back after two, or phone them back, | 0:37:24 | 0:37:27 | |
but if you go now, you might get it sooner. That's what I'm hoping for. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
Okey-dokey, Dave, I'll try and oblige. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:35 | |
Thanks, Ewart. | 0:37:35 | 0:37:37 | |
'Bye.' | 0:37:37 | 0:37:38 | |
15 miles. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:41 | |
That's not bad. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
For the moment, we don't know if we're going to find any heirs. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:49 | |
If it's not easy for us, it's not easy, I hope, for other companies. | 0:37:49 | 0:37:55 | |
While the team's doing everything they can to crack a case which could be worth | 0:37:55 | 0:38:00 | |
up to £80,000, Ewart arrives at York Register Office | 0:38:00 | 0:38:04 | |
to try to speed up the search for birth certificates for Cecil's mother and uncle. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:09 | |
-Well done. Thank you very much. -The two certificates that you asked for - 1901 and 1903. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:16 | |
-Wonderful. Thank you very much. -And your receipt. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
-Thank you. -Thank you. Bye-bye. -You take care, thanks a lot. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:24 | |
Once he's got them, he relays back the crucial information the office has been waiting for. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:30 | |
Walter... born 29th of June 1901... | 0:38:30 | 0:38:36 | |
Father's William James Robson. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:39 | |
Mother is Martha Robson, formerly Pearson. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
Do you want to see if you can get that death? | 0:38:42 | 0:38:44 | |
Of course. | 0:38:44 | 0:38:46 | |
A death certificate for Walter should give them the name of his wife or close kin. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:51 | |
This will help them find Cecil's cousins, if he has any. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
-I want to pick up a death if I can, in 1967. -In York? -Yes. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:59 | |
The information on the document means the team can expand the Robson family tree. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:05 | |
Walter Robson, Elizabeth Elsie Robson, formerly Lee. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:09 | |
So, mother is Elizabeth Elsie. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:12 | |
Well, basically, Elsie... | 0:39:12 | 0:39:14 | |
I don't have the details. | 0:39:14 | 0:39:17 | |
..we think is going to be this birth, here. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
So, Walter marries a Lee. | 0:39:22 | 0:39:24 | |
Cecil Walton's aunt and uncle | 0:39:25 | 0:39:27 | |
were Walter Robson and Elizabeth Elsie Robson. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
Records soon produce the name of a daughter, another Elsie Robson, | 0:39:30 | 0:39:34 | |
who the team learns lives in York. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:38 | |
Elsie will be Cecil's cousin, | 0:39:38 | 0:39:40 | |
which makes her an heir | 0:39:40 | 0:39:42 | |
to his estimated £80,000 estate. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:44 | |
I'm going to head over to that address, yes. | 0:39:44 | 0:39:47 | |
All right. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:48 | |
Cheers, bye. | 0:39:48 | 0:39:50 | |
But for a traveller who's not on his own patch, Ewart's struggling to find the address. | 0:39:54 | 0:40:00 | |
Have I passed Melton Avenue, mate? | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
And when, eventually, he tracks down the location... | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
-10...8... -..it's bad news. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
No-one's in and Elsie's house is on the market. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:13 | |
When heir hunters draw a blank, talking to neighbours | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
can sometimes give them a new line of inquiry. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:20 | |
Just found out that Elsie's passed away, about three months ago, apparently. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:25 | |
-Elsie, yes in that detached bungalow. -Across the road, yes. | 0:40:25 | 0:40:29 | |
Ewart's able to confirm that Elsie had sadly died, but there could be another heir. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:34 | |
-She's got two sisters. -Anne. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
-She's got two sisters, Anne and Audrey. -Audrey's died now. | 0:40:37 | 0:40:40 | |
Audrey has died. OK, fine. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
-Not Anne. -Is Ann still alive? | 0:40:43 | 0:40:45 | |
-Yes. -Anne Robson is another of Walter and Elsie's children. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:49 | |
She'd be Cecil's cousin, and therefore an heir. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:53 | |
Back at the office, the news about Anne backed up a lead that the team has been working on. | 0:40:55 | 0:41:00 | |
-That's right. -It's right. -Yeah. -We're up-to-date. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
And now they urgently need to find Anne's address. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:08 | |
Right, David. We've got Anne's address. | 0:41:08 | 0:41:12 | |
-You want a copy of this, don't you? -Is Ewart going to go there now? | 0:41:14 | 0:41:18 | |
Once I've given it to him. | 0:41:18 | 0:41:20 | |
If she's nearby, Ewart may be able to pay her a visit and sign up an heir ahead of the competition. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:27 | |
-Ewart. -Yep. -Okey-dokey. I've got this address for you. -Yep. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:33 | |
-It shouldn't be too far away. -She's Anne, A-N-N-E, Robson. Now Page. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:39 | |
-'OK?' -Good stuff. Cheers, mate. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:42 | |
Cheers, bye. | 0:41:42 | 0:41:45 | |
Now Ewart's off to try and meet an heir for the second time today. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:52 | |
Elsie has two sisters, one also has died. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
There is one still alive. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
Um... Which I'm going round to see her now. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:02 | |
He's hoping this time, the team's combined efforts | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
that have taken him across the country will produce results. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
-Hello. -Hello. -May I speak to Anne Page, please? | 0:42:09 | 0:42:13 | |
What about? | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
Are you Anne Page? Ah. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:20 | |
I'm from a company called Fraser & Fraser. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:23 | |
We're probate researchers. | 0:42:23 | 0:42:25 | |
It's good news. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
Ann Page is happy to meet Ewart and to sign the paperwork. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:32 | |
The heir hunters now have their first heir to Cecil Walton's unclaimed estate. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:36 | |
But for Anne, news that she's due to receive | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
an inheritance from an unknown cousin is tinged with sadness. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:46 | |
For somebody to leave something that doesn't know them. | 0:42:46 | 0:42:49 | |
I mean, people leave something that you know and you're that pleased. | 0:42:49 | 0:42:54 | |
I feel so sad that we didn't know him. | 0:42:54 | 0:42:57 | |
In fact, Anne's aunt, pictured here with her father Walter, died before she was born. | 0:42:57 | 0:43:04 | |
You can see by the look of their faces how much they thought about each other. | 0:43:04 | 0:43:09 | |
All I know that my father had a sister called Mary, and she had a son, | 0:43:09 | 0:43:15 | |
and... | 0:43:15 | 0:43:17 | |
he thought an awful lot about her and unfortunately, we were all too young to remember. | 0:43:17 | 0:43:24 | |
So, it's really sad to think there's people in the past | 0:43:24 | 0:43:28 | |
that we'll never know. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:30 | |
The following day, the heir hunters in London are wrapping up what's been a particularly tricky case. | 0:43:31 | 0:43:38 | |
After working blind, they know they've cracked it by finding just one thing. | 0:43:38 | 0:43:43 | |
Finally, we got the marriage of Walter and Elizabeth | 0:43:43 | 0:43:48 | |
and that confirmed everything was right, so... | 0:43:48 | 0:43:52 | |
what I originally thought was going to be wrong, | 0:43:52 | 0:43:54 | |
and we were trying for trying's sake, turns out to right. | 0:43:54 | 0:43:57 | |
Quite a good result, from our point of view. | 0:43:57 | 0:44:00 | |
But Cecil Walton's estate turns out to be worth less than the £80,000 they'd hoped for. | 0:44:01 | 0:44:07 | |
They found eight heirs in total, who will get a share of his £28,000 inheritance. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:13 | |
We've now identified and have contacted a number of cousins, | 0:44:13 | 0:44:17 | |
both on the paternal side as well as the maternal side. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:21 | |
Bearing in mind the names we had, common Northeastern names, | 0:44:21 | 0:44:26 | |
I think we did very well to get where we did. | 0:44:26 | 0:44:29 | |
Now it's back to the Treasury's list of unclaimed estates. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
Here are some more unsolved cases where heirs still need to be found. | 0:44:39 | 0:44:44 | |
The Government's database has over 2,000 names on it, | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
and this is money that is owed to members of the public. | 0:44:47 | 0:44:50 | |
New cases are added all the time. | 0:44:50 | 0:44:53 | |
Cases get on our unclaim list after a little while. | 0:44:53 | 0:44:57 | |
The procedure is that initially, | 0:44:57 | 0:44:59 | |
the case will come in, we will make some enquiries ourselves | 0:44:59 | 0:45:03 | |
to see whether we can trace relatives or a will. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:06 | |
If those initial enquiries don't bring forth anything, | 0:45:06 | 0:45:10 | |
we will then advertise. | 0:45:10 | 0:45:12 | |
Let's have one last go at finding some rightful heirs | 0:45:12 | 0:45:16 | |
to the estates on the list. | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
Do these names mean anything to you? Are they relatives of yours? | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
Alfreda Gwendoline Barry died on the 17th of March 2011, | 0:45:23 | 0:45:28 | |
in Newbury, Berkshire. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:29 | |
Does Alfreda's unusual first name ring a bell with you? | 0:45:29 | 0:45:33 | |
Are you a relative entitled to her estate? | 0:45:33 | 0:45:37 | |
Ivy Mellish died back in May 2005, in Hammersmith, in London. | 0:45:38 | 0:45:42 | |
Mellish is a rare surname, | 0:45:42 | 0:45:44 | |
found most commonly in southeast London and Hampshire. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:48 | |
Do you share the surname Mellish? Was Ivy a member of your family? | 0:45:48 | 0:45:53 | |
Chung Chim So died in July 2004, | 0:45:56 | 0:45:59 | |
in Homerton Hospital, in Hackney, east London. | 0:45:59 | 0:46:02 | |
I've got Chung's death certificate here. | 0:46:02 | 0:46:05 | |
It shows he was born on the 8th of May 1927, in China. | 0:46:05 | 0:46:10 | |
The death certificate also shows that he lived in Stoke Newington, in London. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:14 | |
Was he a neighbour of yours? Did he ever speak to you about any family? | 0:46:14 | 0:46:18 | |
And don't forget - | 0:46:20 | 0:46:21 | |
distant relatives aren't entitled to money from unclaimed estates. | 0:46:21 | 0:46:25 | |
The people that are entitled | 0:46:25 | 0:46:27 | |
are those that trace their relationship in a direct line | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
from the deceased person's grandparents. | 0:46:31 | 0:46:33 | |
So, spouse would be entitled, children would be entitled, | 0:46:33 | 0:46:37 | |
aunts and uncles, nephews and nieces, first cousins. | 0:46:37 | 0:46:42 | |
A reminder of those names again. | 0:46:42 | 0:46:44 | |
Alfreda Barry. | 0:46:44 | 0:46:47 | |
Ivy Mellish. | 0:46:47 | 0:46:50 | |
And Chung Chim So. | 0:46:50 | 0:46:53 | |
If today's names are relatives of yours, | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
you could have a windfall coming your way. | 0:46:55 | 0:46:57 | |
Now back to the story of Gustav Sturm, | 0:47:03 | 0:47:05 | |
who never spoke to his family about his wartime experiences. | 0:47:05 | 0:47:09 | |
His case was being investigated by heir hunter Peter Birchwood. | 0:47:09 | 0:47:13 | |
As the story unravelled, | 0:47:13 | 0:47:15 | |
it became apparent his early life was a mystery to everyone. | 0:47:15 | 0:47:19 | |
Gus was a very quiet, | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
very hard-working man. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
Not frightened of anything. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:28 | |
Would talk to anybody, but didn't need other people's company. | 0:47:28 | 0:47:32 | |
Gustav Sturm died in Berkshire, back in 1994, but now a long-lost cousin has passed away | 0:47:32 | 0:47:40 | |
and the heir hunters have found his children, who will inherit his share of the estate. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:44 | |
The sudden connection with the past has been a shock for Tim and Mary. | 0:47:44 | 0:47:48 | |
-I'd still like to know about his brothers and sisters. -Yeah. | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
But the news brought with it fresh details about their father's early life. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:57 | |
As soon as Peter from Celtic Research got involved, | 0:47:57 | 0:48:01 | |
he's brought a lot of information to the table. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:05 | |
Now the heirs have applied for Gustav's German military records through specialist historians. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:11 | |
Today, they're about to open the document which reveals | 0:48:13 | 0:48:17 | |
their father's wartime experience for the very first time. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:20 | |
"Military service record, Gustav Sturm. | 0:48:22 | 0:48:26 | |
"3rd of September 1939." | 0:48:26 | 0:48:29 | |
I didn't realise he'd been to Russia, fighting on the Russian front. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:38 | |
"Gustav joined the frontline Grenadier Regiment 348, five days into the Battle of Kursk." | 0:48:38 | 0:48:45 | |
Tim and Mary are learning how, in 1943, Germany was amassing | 0:48:48 | 0:48:54 | |
a huge offensive against Russia on the Eastern Front. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:58 | |
Fresh troops were needed to replace casualties, and Gustav was called up from his farm | 0:48:58 | 0:49:05 | |
to fight in one of the bloodiest battles of the Second World War. | 0:49:05 | 0:49:08 | |
The Battle of Kursk was the last major German | 0:49:08 | 0:49:11 | |
strategic offensive in the Second World War, against the Red Army. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:16 | |
However, it certainly didn't go to plan. | 0:49:16 | 0:49:20 | |
In fact, Soviets took the initiative during the course of the battle, | 0:49:20 | 0:49:25 | |
which was the largest tank battle in history. | 0:49:25 | 0:49:28 | |
Tanks are large and make a lot of noise and they have an effect on the enemy's morale, | 0:49:28 | 0:49:34 | |
but it took soldiers such as Gustav to take the ground and to hold it, | 0:49:34 | 0:49:40 | |
and that would decide whether a battle would be won or lost. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:43 | |
Trenches and barbed wire and pillar boxes, 250 kilometres deep. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:52 | |
The revelations of what their father endured are proving difficult to read. | 0:49:54 | 0:49:59 | |
We know that Dad didn't like talking about anything to do with the war | 0:50:04 | 0:50:09 | |
or even his life back in Germany, | 0:50:09 | 0:50:12 | |
but to read that, you know it's just... | 0:50:12 | 0:50:16 | |
You can understand it. | 0:50:16 | 0:50:18 | |
He went through hell. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:23 | |
The Germans were outnumbered two to one in the Battle of Kursk, and suffered massive losses. | 0:50:25 | 0:50:30 | |
Gustav was incredibly lucky to escape with his life. | 0:50:30 | 0:50:34 | |
But in 1943, Gustav was severely injured by shrapnel in his leg, | 0:50:34 | 0:50:40 | |
which left him hospitalised for months. | 0:50:40 | 0:50:42 | |
Gustav would've had a journey of over 800 miles to reach the front line. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:47 | |
You'd think they'd be worn out before they even started! | 0:50:47 | 0:50:50 | |
The records reveal that Gustav was sent back to the front line in 1944 | 0:50:51 | 0:50:56 | |
to defend the northern coast of France. | 0:50:56 | 0:50:59 | |
His was one of just 14 German divisions sent to try and take on | 0:50:59 | 0:51:02 | |
326,000 Allied soldiers. | 0:51:02 | 0:51:07 | |
Gustav's unit would've found itself... | 0:51:07 | 0:51:10 | |
rapidly outpaced by the Allied advance, particularly as his unit was an infantry division. | 0:51:10 | 0:51:15 | |
Hitler forbade the German forces to withdraw | 0:51:19 | 0:51:22 | |
once the Normandy beachhead had been pierced, and that caused a fatal delay in moving troops back | 0:51:22 | 0:51:28 | |
to counter the Allied forces that were encircling them. | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
"His unit was not a specialist or elite fighting corps, | 0:51:31 | 0:51:37 | |
"but when he met the Allies, it was fought with distinction, | 0:51:37 | 0:51:41 | |
"holding the Allies on the beaches and jeopardising the success of the entire Normandy landings. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:48 | |
"However, the unit was eventually encircled by Polish and American forces." | 0:51:48 | 0:51:53 | |
"While the German army was being shelled and bombed | 0:51:54 | 0:51:58 | |
"by Allied artillery and planes, he must've escaped along one road which the Germans kept open." | 0:51:58 | 0:52:05 | |
The result was the Falaise Pocket, which was a slaughterhouse for the German army in Normandy. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:12 | |
It caused massive casualties, and Gustav again, remarkably, seems to have come through unscathed. | 0:52:12 | 0:52:19 | |
It's been an emotional journey into Gustav's once-secret history. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:25 | |
You wouldn't put a face like your dad's to this. | 0:52:25 | 0:52:27 | |
You can relate to the way he felt when anybody asked him about the war | 0:52:31 | 0:52:38 | |
or his family, and he just wouldn't talk about it. | 0:52:38 | 0:52:42 | |
You can now see why. | 0:52:42 | 0:52:45 | |
Having filled in one gaping hole in their father's life, | 0:52:48 | 0:52:52 | |
his children are now curious to know about the next stage. | 0:52:52 | 0:52:56 | |
Gustav's life as a prisoner of war. | 0:52:56 | 0:52:58 | |
Today, Tim and Mary are off to meet someone who can help them understand | 0:53:01 | 0:53:05 | |
what it was like to be a German prisoner and their father's possible reasons for staying in the UK. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:11 | |
We know nothing about his life as a prisoner of war, | 0:53:12 | 0:53:17 | |
or how he got over here or how long he was a prisoner of war. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:22 | |
He wouldn't speak about it. | 0:53:22 | 0:53:24 | |
Former infantry soldier Gotthard Liebich was held in a prisoner of war camp for four years. | 0:53:30 | 0:53:35 | |
It was similar to this one that's still standing in Hertfordshire. | 0:53:35 | 0:53:40 | |
Mary and Tim are anxious to know how their father would have fared as a captive. | 0:53:40 | 0:53:45 | |
Was you treated OK | 0:53:45 | 0:53:48 | |
by the commanders of the camps? | 0:53:48 | 0:53:51 | |
-By the guards? -Yes. | 0:53:51 | 0:53:53 | |
The commanders were very strict and if we did anything wrong, | 0:53:53 | 0:53:57 | |
we'd get punished by having a week or two in the glasshouse, I think they call it. | 0:53:57 | 0:54:04 | |
Otherwise, there was no cruelty or anything like this. | 0:54:04 | 0:54:09 | |
That's good. | 0:54:09 | 0:54:11 | |
Sleeping 40 to a hut, the prisoners were allowed out only to work | 0:54:12 | 0:54:17 | |
and just like Gustav, Gotthard was made to do farm work. | 0:54:17 | 0:54:22 | |
Potato picking was a long, dreary job. We didn't like it. | 0:54:22 | 0:54:25 | |
Your back hurts like mad after the first day... | 0:54:25 | 0:54:30 | |
And hoeing beetroot... | 0:54:30 | 0:54:32 | |
-Not beetroot, sugar beet, whatever... -Sugar beet. | 0:54:32 | 0:54:38 | |
..from here to the end of the hedge there, rows and rows, and we were just hoeing away. | 0:54:38 | 0:54:46 | |
You'd chat to your mates next to you, you know. That was very boring too. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:52 | |
When the PoWs were given their freedom in 1948, | 0:54:52 | 0:54:56 | |
the British Government gave many the option to stay in the UK. | 0:54:56 | 0:55:00 | |
Just like Tim and Mary's father, Gotthard had a new British girlfriend | 0:55:00 | 0:55:05 | |
and now faced a difficult decision. | 0:55:05 | 0:55:09 | |
You never went back home? | 0:55:09 | 0:55:12 | |
I never went back home because I didn't have a home to go back to. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
My actual home, to tell you the truth, | 0:55:16 | 0:55:20 | |
was burned down by the Russians when they came into Eastern Europe. | 0:55:20 | 0:55:23 | |
When I got back, my girlfriend wanted me to stay in England. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:30 | |
I said, "No, I must find my people first." | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
I... | 0:55:33 | 0:55:36 | |
I... I couldn't find a job, couldn't find anywhere to live | 0:55:38 | 0:55:42 | |
and it was so difficult, so I tried to get back to England again, | 0:55:42 | 0:55:46 | |
and that's what I did in 1948. | 0:55:46 | 0:55:49 | |
In post-war Germany, life was all but unrecognisable, especially for those like Gustav, | 0:55:49 | 0:55:56 | |
who originally came from the East and whose land had fallen under the Iron Curtain. | 0:55:56 | 0:56:02 | |
Villages changed their names, streets changed their names | 0:56:02 | 0:56:06 | |
and it would've been very difficult for Gustav to actually go back. | 0:56:06 | 0:56:11 | |
Gustav must have also been quite confused about the outcome of the war, | 0:56:11 | 0:56:16 | |
with the collapse of the Nazi system | 0:56:16 | 0:56:20 | |
and the revelations about war crimes committed by the Germans | 0:56:20 | 0:56:23 | |
and he had to come to terms with this and also all the death around him. | 0:56:23 | 0:56:28 | |
Around 10,000 former German soldiers relocated permanently to the UK. | 0:56:29 | 0:56:35 | |
Just like Gustav, Gotthard married his British girlfriend and lived in England. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:40 | |
I've never had any problems at all. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:42 | |
I can't think of one single case where anybody was antagonistic in any way. | 0:56:42 | 0:56:50 | |
We have had no bother from anybody, | 0:56:50 | 0:56:52 | |
except when we moved to East Garston, | 0:56:52 | 0:56:55 | |
and we moved there with a big family, | 0:56:55 | 0:56:59 | |
because we had an extended family, | 0:56:59 | 0:57:02 | |
and somebody decided they'd paint some swastikas on the walls. | 0:57:02 | 0:57:06 | |
Really? | 0:57:06 | 0:57:08 | |
It didn't faze Dad. He got them cleaned off and people in the village just... | 0:57:08 | 0:57:13 | |
Ignored it. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:15 | |
The parallels between Gotthard's life and their father's experience | 0:57:17 | 0:57:21 | |
have given Tim and Mary a new understanding. | 0:57:21 | 0:57:24 | |
To think all the times I spoke to him and he never mentioned it. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:28 | |
I was very close to my dad, but no mention of the war. | 0:57:28 | 0:57:33 | |
I knew he didn't like to speak about the war, | 0:57:33 | 0:57:36 | |
didn't like to speak German. | 0:57:36 | 0:57:39 | |
My dad loved this country, I must admit. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:41 | |
He loved staying here, he wouldn't want to go back. | 0:57:41 | 0:57:44 | |
For the heirs, it's been an emotional journey into the hardships their father endured. | 0:57:44 | 0:57:50 | |
Dad was always our hero and he'll always be our hero. | 0:57:50 | 0:57:54 | |
It's changed nothing like that. It's just proved what a man he was. | 0:57:54 | 0:57:59 | |
In Wales, with the paperwork for a 100,000-euro estate wrapped up, | 0:57:59 | 0:58:04 | |
the case has been a satisfying one for heir hunter Peter Birchwood. | 0:58:04 | 0:58:09 | |
He's connected heirs to their long-lost German cousins and to their father's hidden history. | 0:58:09 | 0:58:15 | |
One of the good, fun bits about this business | 0:58:15 | 0:58:19 | |
is putting them in touch with members of the family | 0:58:19 | 0:58:22 | |
that they'd have no idea of their existence, | 0:58:22 | 0:58:25 | |
and in this instance, | 0:58:25 | 0:58:27 | |
it's reuniting people from thousands of miles away. | 0:58:27 | 0:58:33 | |
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