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It's early morning and the heir hunters are looking into legacies | 0:00:02 | 0:00:05 | |
across the country. | 0:00:05 | 0:00:07 | |
They're trying to trace long lost relatives | 0:00:07 | 0:00:09 | |
who have no idea they're in line for a windfall. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
On today's show... | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
There is something very, very peculiar going on. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:37 | |
..the curious tale of two reclusive brothers has the heir hunters baffled. | 0:00:37 | 0:00:42 | |
It could be that he has just gone into a home. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
But with links to a stately home, are they looking at a small fortune? | 0:00:46 | 0:00:50 | |
And an heir hunt reveals a dark discovery in one family's history. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:56 | |
It transpires that the other two children are both in a workhouse. | 0:00:56 | 0:00:58 | |
Plus, how you could be entitled to unclaimed estates where beneficiaries need to be found. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:05 | |
Could you be in line for an unexpected windfall? | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
An estimated 300,000 people die every year in the UK without leaving a will. | 0:01:13 | 0:01:19 | |
If no relatives can be found, | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
any money that's left behind will go into the Government's coffers. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:25 | |
And last year those coffers were boosted by a staggering £12 million. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
But there are over 30 specialist firms | 0:01:32 | 0:01:34 | |
competing to stop this happening. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
They're called heir hunters and they make it their business to track down | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
missing relatives and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:45 | |
I bring about a change so that the rightful assets | 0:01:45 | 0:01:51 | |
go to the rightful family members. | 0:01:51 | 0:01:53 | |
It's dawn on a Thursday morning. While people across Britain are slowly waking up, | 0:02:01 | 0:02:06 | |
heir hunters are scrutinising today's weekly list of unclaimed estates, | 0:02:06 | 0:02:11 | |
released by the Treasury in the early hours. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
25, 13th June. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:17 | |
This list is known as the Bona Vacantia. | 0:02:19 | 0:02:21 | |
It advertises estates worth anything from £5,000 to many millions. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
This morning the staff at Fraser and Fraser, Britain's largest | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
heir hunting firm, are investigating the entries to see if they're of value. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:35 | |
We're working on that one as well, so let's do this one first. | 0:02:37 | 0:02:41 | |
If the heir hunters can pick the right case, | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
the commission they'll earn will make the early start and complicated research worthwhile. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:50 | |
Gareth, we've got four. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:53 | |
The team has a number of cases which look good. | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
As the Treasury's list doesn't explain how much estates are worth, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
it's up to the heir hunters to find this out. | 0:02:58 | 0:03:03 | |
One main indicator of value is if the deceased owned their own home. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:08 | |
-That's the same address. -Right, so both were living at the same address? The two brothers? | 0:03:09 | 0:03:14 | |
One entry looks very promising. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
We have a case of Drinkwater, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
George Richard Drinkwater, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:23 | |
who appears to own his property. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
He appears to own it with his brother - | 0:03:27 | 0:03:29 | |
an Edward John Handley Drinkwater. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:32 | |
so that is good information for fairly early on. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:36 | |
So they've decided to work the entry called George Drinkwater. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:41 | |
Early enquiries have shown George had a house with his brother | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
and they've estimated the estate to be worth at least £200,000. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:49 | |
It's a very good start. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:51 | |
We need to establish what has happened to the brother because if he owns it with a brother, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
and the brother survived, then it will go to the brother. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
George Drinkwater died aged 82 in 2010 in Uckfield, near Brighton. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:05 | |
He was something of a mystery, and no-one has any photos of him. | 0:04:05 | 0:04:10 | |
But George did live in this overgrown property with his brother, | 0:04:10 | 0:04:13 | |
who was known as John. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:15 | |
Sue Mills was their next door neighbour. | 0:04:15 | 0:04:18 | |
This is the house of John and George and, over the years, | 0:04:18 | 0:04:21 | |
it has become more and more overgrown. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
It has just literally become an entangled forest, you cannot see the house at all. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:31 | |
The brothers had shut themselves off from the outside world and were becoming more and more housebound. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:37 | |
But for a short time in 2009, their neighbour Sue managed to make George's acquaintance. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:43 | |
John was taken ill | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
into hospital and it became clear that George was in need of some help. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:51 | |
I used to pop over every night with a glass of wine and a hot meal for George. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:56 | |
It was the first time I had been in the house in all those years. | 0:04:56 | 0:05:00 | |
The little impression that I got from him was that he was a very sweet man, | 0:05:00 | 0:05:05 | |
that he had quite a bad stutter and in stature, he was quite small and rounded, | 0:05:05 | 0:05:12 | |
with a very gentle, almost twinkly eye, I would say that he had. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:16 | |
He was quite a humble man and he obviously didn't like to talk about himself very much. | 0:05:16 | 0:05:23 | |
Sue learnt that George Drinkwater had been a civil servant | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
and had bought his house with his brother after their mother died. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
It was just the two of them, when I asked him about any other family at the time, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:35 | |
he said his parents were obviously long since dead and it was just the two of them | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
and that neither of them had ever been married. | 0:05:39 | 0:05:42 | |
Back at the office, the team's struggling to find out more about the reclusive brothers. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:50 | |
So far, they think both were bachelors and didn't have any children. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
That means if George Drinkwater died before his brother, the house and the estate would go to John. | 0:05:54 | 0:06:00 | |
My initial suspicion is that the brothers died at about the same time or a bit before George, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:08 | |
but obviously we need to check that out and to take it from there. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
The team need to get some information on the ground | 0:06:12 | 0:06:15 | |
and specifically to find out if John is still alive. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:19 | |
I'm sending Bob Barrett down to Brighton to do an inquiry | 0:06:19 | 0:06:24 | |
and to see the property, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:26 | |
to see if that reveals anything else that we're not aware of already. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
The company employs a network of regional heir hunters | 0:06:33 | 0:06:37 | |
who are on stand by to do house visits and enquiries with neighbours every Thursday. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:41 | |
These researchers can be dispatched anywhere in the country, all in a race to find and sign up heirs. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:49 | |
Today case manager David Pacifico is bringing travelling researcher Bob Barrett onto the case. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:56 | |
Hello, Bob Barrett. | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
Morning, Bob. We've got several jobs out today and all of value. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:04 | |
Oh, right. | 0:07:04 | 0:07:06 | |
Someone in Brighton, Drinkwater. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:10 | |
Could you head towards Brighton at the moment? | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
-OK, I'll speak to you later. -'All right?' -Cheers. -'Bye.' | 0:07:13 | 0:07:16 | |
Bob is being sent 50 miles away to the south coast | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
to see what he can find out from the brothers' neighbours. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
Luckily, I'm heading towards Brighton. We'll see what the day brings forth. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:31 | |
In the office, a glance at the map shows it's a busy day. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:39 | |
Researchers are fanning out all over the country to work a number of cases that look very valuable. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:45 | |
-We got Bob Barrett going towards Brighton. -OK. -He's going towards Green. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:51 | |
-Mike is going to Plymouth? Yes? -Yes. | 0:07:53 | 0:07:55 | |
At the moment, our resources are a little bit tight, it is still very early in the morning. | 0:07:55 | 0:08:00 | |
We've made more progress than usual at this time of the morning. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:04 | |
I've got three members of staff in and I want to look at four different cases, all of which are valuable. | 0:08:04 | 0:08:10 | |
If the team spreads themselves too thin, they could make mistakes | 0:08:10 | 0:08:15 | |
and lose a valuable case to the competition. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
Researcher Jo has been assigned to the Drinkwater case. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:22 | |
If George's brother isn't alive, heirs will come from his cousins. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:27 | |
And to find these, Jo needs to dig into George's family tree. She's found some family records | 0:08:27 | 0:08:32 | |
for the Drinkwaters online, and there's good and bad news. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:37 | |
Lot of the people involved have surnames as a middle name | 0:08:37 | 0:08:42 | |
so that indicates there may be money in those | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
generations whether that has been passed down, I don't know, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
but it would seem the family is quite well endowed. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
The double barrelled names on the records might mean the family was aristocratic. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:56 | |
So on top of George's estimated £200,000 estate, | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
family money might have been handed down through the generations. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
The bad news is the family trees all look like they're dead ends. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:07 | |
Records show George was the son of Margaret Hooper and Edward Handley Drinkwater. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:13 | |
But Edward had no brothers or sisters. Jo calls case manager David Pacifico | 0:09:13 | 0:09:19 | |
over for an update. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:23 | |
These are all about Greens and Drinkwater. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
There's no indication if they have any children? | 0:09:25 | 0:09:29 | |
No, I've done the 11, there's no other children. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:33 | |
-Are we saying he's an only child? -Yes. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:35 | |
Jo's double checked the census records, there won't be any heirs coming from George's father's side. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:42 | |
And the mother's side isn't much better. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:44 | |
I found her on the '11 at a school somewhere. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
On the '01, | 0:09:49 | 0:09:52 | |
she's Margaret M Hooper, | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
granddaughter living with these people. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
Do we reckon she might be an only child? | 0:09:59 | 0:10:03 | |
Pretty much. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
It seems George's mother Margaret is an only child too. | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
-So are we saying this case is going nowhere? -Pretty much. -The case doesn't look good, | 0:10:10 | 0:10:15 | |
but before they rule it out completely, Jo wants double check the census records | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
for George's mother's family. Jo's worked out | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
George's maternal grandparents, Alfred and Eliza Hooper, got married in 1892 in Chorlton. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:30 | |
Working on the assumption they stayed in the Chorlton area, | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
she's looking for other children with the surname Hooper. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
I haven't managed to find any other births that look any good. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:41 | |
So it looks like it's dead. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
So the records don't show any other children in the family. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:48 | |
This means neither of George's parents had brothers or sisters | 0:10:48 | 0:10:52 | |
so there's no way George could have cousins who would be heirs. | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
Jo needs to break the news to partner Charles Fraser. | 0:10:56 | 0:10:59 | |
-It's dead? -It looks like it. | 0:10:59 | 0:11:01 | |
Nothing to the brother? | 0:11:01 | 0:11:03 | |
He's still living at the address, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
we think he's died in the last year or so. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
But Charles isn't ready to call it quits just yet. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
They need conclusive proof that George's brother John | 0:11:12 | 0:11:15 | |
isn't still alive. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:16 | |
Can we do neighbours...? | 0:11:18 | 0:11:20 | |
Let's see if we can get... do a proper inquiry now. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:24 | |
It could be that he's just gone into a home. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
All now rests on the inquiry with the neighbours producing results. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:35 | |
If George's brother John IS still alive, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
he'll be the only heir to this estate, estimated at over £200,000. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
Coming up... | 0:11:43 | 0:11:44 | |
Unless he reveals something miraculous, it's all over. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
..can the team pull off a miracle and find the missing heir? | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
We didn't know about Charles until now because | 0:11:52 | 0:11:56 | |
he didn't appear on any of the censuses. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:58 | |
No-one can predict the incredible twists and turns of an heir hunt. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:09 | |
And when the team looked into the estate of Winifred Neaves, | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
a remarkable act of honesty | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
would change the outcome of this case forever. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:18 | |
Winifred Neaves died in Polegate on the south coast of England | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
in March 2006. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
She was single, and had lived with her mother in this bungalow. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:31 | |
Winifred worked at a manufacturing organisation, and former employees | 0:12:33 | 0:12:37 | |
like Anthony Greenstreet remember their colleague. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
She had spectacles, she was of medium height. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
She had rather frizzy hair which stuck out a bit, grey... | 0:12:44 | 0:12:50 | |
She was...I suppose you could describe her as mouse-like. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:53 | |
Winifred spent almost 40 years working behind | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
the scenes as an accounts clerk. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:00 | |
Everybody liked her. There was nobody who disliked her at all. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:04 | |
But most of us saw so little of her, that we | 0:13:04 | 0:13:07 | |
rather forgot about her. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:09 | |
She was quite willing to talk pleasantly | 0:13:10 | 0:13:13 | |
to you if you came to her office, | 0:13:13 | 0:13:16 | |
but she wouldn't come forward and er... | 0:13:16 | 0:13:18 | |
If you passed her in a corridor, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:20 | |
she would just say, "Good morning", and pass by. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
Nor did Winifred seem to have much of a social life outside work. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
I think we got the impression that she was a lonely person and had no... | 0:13:29 | 0:13:34 | |
We never heard that she had any family at all, | 0:13:34 | 0:13:37 | |
so I think we knew that she was more or less on her own. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:40 | |
Winifred's mother died when Winifred was 66. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
She became increasingly reclusive, and died just 12 years later, | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
aged 78. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:51 | |
In London, Research Director Gareth Langford | 0:13:56 | 0:13:59 | |
was assigned to the investigation. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:01 | |
We first became aware of the case when it was advertised | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
by the Treasury Solicitor in January 2007, | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
and we started working it straight away. | 0:14:06 | 0:14:08 | |
Initially on the case of Neaves we had very little information, | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
all we had was a date of death, and a name. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
Early inquiries gave them Winifred's last | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
known address, and showed she'd owned her home outright. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
At the time it was advertised, we thought the case was around £200,000. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:28 | |
Subsequently we believe it's actually worth a bit more than that. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
It didn't take Gareth long | 0:14:31 | 0:14:32 | |
to find the next crucial step - Winifred's birth certificate. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
She was born in 1927, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:39 | |
the only child of Frederick Neeves and Margaret Lunnon. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:43 | |
The team began their research on her father Frederick's side of the family. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:50 | |
Neeves is actually quite a good name. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
So once we'd established that Frederick was born in 1901 in Lambeth, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:55 | |
we started looking for his parents' marriage, | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
records on them on the census | 0:14:58 | 0:14:59 | |
and any brothers and sisters he may have had. | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
Winifred was an only child, so heirs would come from her father's | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
siblings who'd had children. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
Once we'd established Frederick's birth, one of the first things that | 0:15:09 | 0:15:12 | |
we would want to do from that point is find his parents' marriage. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
His parents were Frederick and Bessie - Bessie Warwick - | 0:15:16 | 0:15:19 | |
but we've never been able to find that marriage. | 0:15:19 | 0:15:22 | |
We're not sure why we can't find it, it's vaguely possible that | 0:15:22 | 0:15:25 | |
they never actually got married - | 0:15:25 | 0:15:27 | |
indeed, we've struggled to find them on the census. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
So they looked for births | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
for other Neeves in South London at the turn of the century. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
Could THEY be Frederick's siblings? | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
There were only two other births of Neeves in the area. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
Lambeth, and there was another birth in Wandsworth. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:46 | |
So, we worked those, which were Walter and Alfred, | 0:15:46 | 0:15:50 | |
which turned out to be Frederick's brothers. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
The team struck lucky. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:54 | |
Winifred's father had two brothers, Walter and Alfred Neeves, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
also born to a Bessie Warwick. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
But the father's name | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
which was logged on official records kept changing. | 0:16:03 | 0:16:05 | |
At one point he is called Frederick Alexander, | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
and another point he's plain Frederick, | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
and at one stage, for some reason that we really don't know, | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
he is called Thomas. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:16 | |
And this is all from marriage information from his children. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:19 | |
It was a mystery. | 0:16:19 | 0:16:22 | |
Why didn't the children know their father's name? | 0:16:22 | 0:16:24 | |
The heir hunters suspected it was because Frederick wasn't around. | 0:16:24 | 0:16:28 | |
And when they looked at census records, they could see that | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
Winifred's grandmother had been left on her own. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:35 | |
We know that Bessie, | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
who was living with her son Walter in 1911 | 0:16:37 | 0:16:40 | |
in the Lambeth area, she's a washer in a laundry - | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
but she's describing herself as single. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
We weren't expecting to see that, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
we thought she'd be married, we were hoping that she would be with Frederick - | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
but she's describing herself as single with three children. | 0:16:51 | 0:16:55 | |
The other two children aren't living with her. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
It transpires that the other two children are both in a workhouse. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
It was a sad turn in the tale. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
Winifred's father and her two uncles had been sent to the workhouse | 0:17:05 | 0:17:09 | |
when they were young children. | 0:17:09 | 0:17:10 | |
Winifred's grandmother Bessie was a single mother in Edwardian times, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:16 | |
and only had the workhouse to turn to. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:18 | |
Sending your children to the workhouse in those days | 0:17:18 | 0:17:21 | |
would really have been the last resort. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
There was a great stigma attached to going into the workhouse. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:27 | |
It was a thing of failure, you would probably view it. | 0:17:27 | 0:17:31 | |
You were mixing with the wrong sort of people, erm... | 0:17:31 | 0:17:35 | |
you really had reached rock bottom, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
so I think to go down that route, you really had to be pretty desperate. | 0:17:38 | 0:17:42 | |
It seems Bessie had been stricken with scarlet fever, and was admitted | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
to the Stockwell Fever Hospital. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:49 | |
When she recovered, she managed to get her youngest son Walter back, | 0:17:49 | 0:17:53 | |
but her other two sons grew up in the workhouse school. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
It would have been quite a shock to be separated from their mother, | 0:17:56 | 0:18:01 | |
and sent out, miles away, into this very large, strange establishment, | 0:18:01 | 0:18:06 | |
full of hundreds of children. | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
Lots of noise, strange rooms, strange food - | 0:18:09 | 0:18:13 | |
I think it would have been quite a shock to the system. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
The workhouse school at Norwood was an austere institution, | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
where nurses were encouraged not to show affection. | 0:18:20 | 0:18:24 | |
But it did try to teach the children skills to help them | 0:18:24 | 0:18:26 | |
escape the poverty trap. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:29 | |
The school, like many other workhouse schools, had a band - | 0:18:29 | 0:18:33 | |
a boys' band, it was restricted to the boys. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:36 | |
And the band actually gave an opportunity | 0:18:36 | 0:18:38 | |
to lots of the boys for a future career. | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
Some went into the services and became military bandsman... | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
Frederick, we know, perhaps slightly unusually, | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
ended up being a player in an orchestral band. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:52 | |
So in a very strange way it gave him a career in life, | 0:18:52 | 0:18:56 | |
which, you know, was a nice spin-off of this rather unpleasant experience. | 0:18:56 | 0:19:02 | |
Back at the office, the team was investigating | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
what had happened to the brothers after the workhouse. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
It was clear the youngest brother's line wasn't going to lead to heirs. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:12 | |
Alfred Neeves, the brother of Frederick - | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
he's the uncle to the deceased, Winifred - | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
he was born in 1905, and he married in 1933 to an Amy Maud Gibbons. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:25 | |
They had one son, William - | 0:19:25 | 0:19:27 | |
unfortunately that child died in infancy. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:29 | |
The other brother's family looked more promising. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:34 | |
The other sibling of Frederick is Walter. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:35 | |
Walter Neeves was born in 1903, | 0:19:36 | 0:19:39 | |
and he married a Nellie Ward. He had two children. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:43 | |
One was an Eric Frederick, who unfortunately passed away | 0:19:43 | 0:19:46 | |
without having any issue. | 0:19:46 | 0:19:47 | |
But Walter DID have a daughter, who would be Winifred's cousin. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:52 | |
It was great news. The company had their first heir. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
Winifred's cousin agreed to sign with the heir hunters, | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
and act as an administrator to the estate. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
Now the team was making headway with the investigation | 0:20:05 | 0:20:08 | |
of Winifred Neaves' estimated £200,000 estate. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
But the wheels were going to come off this heir hunt in quite | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
a spectacular fashion. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
Heir hunters solve thousands of cases a year, and millions of pounds | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
are paid out to rightful heirs. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
But not every case can be cracked. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
The Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
which have baffled the heir hunters and remain unsolved. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:41 | |
Could you be the heir they've been searching for? | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
Are you in line for a windfall worth hundreds, thousands or even millions | 0:20:44 | 0:20:48 | |
of pounds? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:49 | |
Estates stay on the list for up to 30 years, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
and today we're focusing on three names. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
Are they relatives of yours? | 0:20:55 | 0:20:56 | |
Marie Teresa Jaconelli died in South Shields in Tyne and Wear, in 2008. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:04 | |
If heirs aren't found, her money will go to the government. | 0:21:04 | 0:21:09 | |
Did you know Margaret Lamonby, who died in April in 2000 in Enfield, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:14 | |
north London? | 0:21:14 | 0:21:16 | |
Lamonby is a rare surname - only three people in a million | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
have this name in England and Wales. | 0:21:19 | 0:21:21 | |
Also on our list is Olwyn Muriel Oliver, who was from | 0:21:26 | 0:21:29 | |
Bartestree in Herefordshire and died in August 1999. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:34 | |
All efforts to trace her relatives have drawn a blank. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
-If the names Marie Jaconelli, -Margaret Lamonby or Olwyn Oliver | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
mean anything to you or someone you know, | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
you could have an unexpected windfall coming your way. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
The heir hunters are struggling to investigate | 0:21:58 | 0:22:00 | |
the case of George Drinkwater, who died in Sussex in 2010 without leaving a will. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:07 | |
Sue Mills was a next-door neighbour to the elderly civil servant, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
who lived in this overgrown house with his brother, John. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
I can't say that I knew him very well, as did the same for all neighbours in the road, | 0:22:14 | 0:22:20 | |
because they were very, very reclusive | 0:22:20 | 0:22:23 | |
and very much kept themselves to themselves. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
The heir hunters have worked out that George didn't have any aunts or uncles... | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
No indication whether they've got any other children? | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
No, I've done the 11, there's no other children. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
..so the team have drawn a blank finding cousins to inherit a potentially very valuable estate. | 0:22:38 | 0:22:45 | |
Everything now rests on whether George's brother, John, is still alive. | 0:22:45 | 0:22:49 | |
It could be that he's just gone into a home. | 0:22:49 | 0:22:51 | |
The office is still anxiously waiting to hear back from travelling researcher Bob Barrett. | 0:22:52 | 0:22:57 | |
He's gone to the south coast to do an inquiry with George's neighbours. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
So in the meantime, researcher Jo decides to see if she can find out | 0:23:03 | 0:23:07 | |
any more about John Drinkwater by herself. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
She's managed to find a phone number for one of George's neighbours, | 0:23:13 | 0:23:16 | |
who happens to be in. | 0:23:16 | 0:23:18 | |
You can understand, to be fair, they were quite old as well, weren't they? | 0:23:18 | 0:23:22 | |
So in later life, they probably got even more reclusive. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
Yeah, it's understandable when you're living together that long. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:29 | |
But it's not looking good. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:32 | |
Thanks so much for your help, then. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
Thank you, take care, bye-bye. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:35 | |
And as soon as she's off the phone, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:38 | |
Jo goes to update partner Charles about the brothers. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:42 | |
Er, the neighbour said they died within days of each other. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
OK. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:49 | |
And he had no siblings? | 0:23:49 | 0:23:53 | |
No. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:54 | |
It's bad news for the heir hunters. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:56 | |
George's brother, John, passed away the very same day that George died. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:03 | |
In fact, it was the brothers' neighbour, Sue Mills, who found them, | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
after she'd been alerted by a home help that something was wrong. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:12 | |
I looked through the letterbox and I could see George was clearly dead | 0:24:12 | 0:24:19 | |
on the floor by the door. It wasn't gruesome or anything like that, | 0:24:19 | 0:24:23 | |
he'd just collapsed there. It looked like a chair had fallen over. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
But I was very concerned because I couldn't see John anywhere. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:29 | |
Sue quickly called the police, who broke into the property | 0:24:29 | 0:24:32 | |
to find John Drinkwater. | 0:24:32 | 0:24:35 | |
From my understanding, what had happened was that they had found John | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
had laid down next to George to die next to him. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:44 | |
And actually, when they went in there, he was still alive, | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
and they took him off to hospital, but he died within about half an hour | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
of them getting to the hospital. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
Sue firmly believes that George and John had a pact | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
to not outlive the other. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
There was no family | 0:25:00 | 0:25:02 | |
and they knew that one of them wasn't going to survive the other. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:08 | |
Then perhaps that was the reason why there wasn't a will. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:12 | |
Back at the office, the news that | 0:25:13 | 0:25:15 | |
George Drinkwater has no living heirs is a major blow to the team. | 0:25:15 | 0:25:20 | |
Drinkwater's dead. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:22 | |
Unless he reveals something miraculous, it's all over. | 0:25:22 | 0:25:26 | |
Yeah, looking at the tray, yeah. | 0:25:26 | 0:25:28 | |
So that's that one. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
The decision's made to pull the case before it uses up any more | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
valuable time or resources. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:37 | |
Down in Sussex, travelling researcher Bob Barrett is called off the job. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:43 | |
There's now no point in him doing the inquiry. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:47 | |
Well, I've just had a phone call from the office. | 0:25:47 | 0:25:49 | |
The good news, I've got something to do now. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:52 | |
And the bad news is, it's in Lincolnshire. | 0:25:52 | 0:25:55 | |
About 190 miles away. | 0:25:55 | 0:25:58 | |
So, I'm not going to get there for a little while. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:02 | |
It's a disappointment for the team, | 0:26:02 | 0:26:04 | |
but they turn to working up the remaining cases. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:08 | |
Who is working Rudman? | 0:26:08 | 0:26:10 | |
Debbie's doing Rudman, that's valuable. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:14 | |
The wife, Annie, was possibly born in 1887. | 0:26:16 | 0:26:18 | |
Hopefully, one will give them a return on their research. | 0:26:20 | 0:26:23 | |
Oh! So, my tree is going from bad to worse. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:28 | |
It's now 12.30pm and the Drinkwater case has long been forgotten, when suddenly, | 0:26:31 | 0:26:37 | |
there's a glimmer of hope. | 0:26:37 | 0:26:39 | |
I'm looking at the case of Drinkwater again | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
and an administration has come back for the death of the maternal grandmother, | 0:26:42 | 0:26:48 | |
which says that it's granted to a Charles Hooper, who's allegedly a son. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
Incredibly, the case is back on. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:57 | |
Four hours after applying for a probate for George's grandparents, | 0:26:57 | 0:27:01 | |
the details have been phoned through. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
It shows part of their estate | 0:27:03 | 0:27:05 | |
was left to a mysterious son called Charles. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
Charles would be a maternal uncle of the deceased, | 0:27:08 | 0:27:12 | |
who we hadn't previously found because he wasn't on any of the censuses. | 0:27:12 | 0:27:17 | |
This is a big turn-up for the books. | 0:27:18 | 0:27:21 | |
The team had written off finding any siblings for George's parents, | 0:27:21 | 0:27:25 | |
and if this uncle Charles had children, | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
they'd be George's cousins and heirs. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
Jo quickly starts a genealogical search for Charles Hooper, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
and while she re-examines the records, | 0:27:34 | 0:27:36 | |
she finds something else which makes this case worth another look. | 0:27:36 | 0:27:40 | |
We've managed to find on the 1911 census the maternal grandfather, | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
George Edward Drinkwater, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
living in a place called Bernithan Court, | 0:27:47 | 0:27:50 | |
which is a very large house with at least 14 rooms, | 0:27:50 | 0:27:55 | |
which was very large at the time. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
He was a farmer with servants living there with him, | 0:27:57 | 0:28:01 | |
so we definitely know that they were very rich at the time. | 0:28:01 | 0:28:05 | |
On top of finding a lead to possible heirs, | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
news that an impressive stately home may have been in the family | 0:28:10 | 0:28:14 | |
is an exciting development. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
Bernithan Court is a manor house in Herefordshire | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
set in 300 acres of land. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
If George's grandparents lived here, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:24 | |
their money might have passed to George. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
In fact, current owner Michael Richardson knows about the link to George's grandparents. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:33 | |
They did live here at the turn of the last century. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
We came to find out about the Drinkwater link through | 0:28:38 | 0:28:42 | |
documentary evidence that we had of ownership or tenancy of the house | 0:28:42 | 0:28:47 | |
in the late 19th century, and the fact that a Drinkwater bought it | 0:28:47 | 0:28:52 | |
from the then-owners in 1920. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
Michael has a photo album compiled by a previous owner. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:59 | |
It clearly shows George's grandparents, who were tenants on the farm, | 0:28:59 | 0:29:03 | |
before their son bought the estate. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
This is the most direct evidence we have of the Drinkwater connection, | 0:29:06 | 0:29:10 | |
because it's a photograph of George Drinkwater and his wife, | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
along with a number of their friends and relations, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:17 | |
standing right here outside exactly the same wrought iron gates in 1891. | 0:29:17 | 0:29:24 | |
And George Drinkwater and his wife are as clear as anything. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:30 | |
To the heir hunters, the discovery that Bernithan Court | 0:29:30 | 0:29:33 | |
had belonged to the Drinkwaters reinforces the idea they were well-off. | 0:29:33 | 0:29:38 | |
Jo has joined forces with Noel to rework the case, focusing their attention on George's uncle Charles. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:46 | |
I'll start doing all the deaths for everywhere, | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
-and I'll just see how it goes. -You do that and I'll do the probate, right? -Yeah. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:54 | |
They begin to cast the net wide, | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
looking for a date and place of death for George's uncle. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:00 | |
And they also apply for a will for Charles Hooper, dated around | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
the early part of the 20th century. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
Hopefully, if there is probate, we'll be able to tell if he is married or not and if he has any kids. | 0:30:06 | 0:30:13 | |
The office is a flurry of activity. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:16 | |
Having previously given up on the Drinkwater case, | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
the team could now be lagging behind the competition. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
Time marches on as they scour the records. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:27 | |
And eventually, it's researcher Simon Mills who comes across | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
the right will for George's uncle, Charles Hooper. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
But does it name any offspring? | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
It turns out that he died in India in 1933 as a bachelor, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:42 | |
and the letter of administration said he was a bachelor and he left... | 0:30:42 | 0:30:47 | |
Its representative was his sister, Margaret, and Edward Drinkwater, | 0:30:47 | 0:30:52 | |
his brother-in-law. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:53 | |
The names on the will match up, but it's dashed their hopes. | 0:30:54 | 0:30:58 | |
George's uncle seems to have died without marrying or having children. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:03 | |
It all looks dead. I doubt there's any issue. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
We can't find a marriage for him, but because he was in India... | 0:31:06 | 0:31:09 | |
..we don't know. | 0:31:11 | 0:31:13 | |
It's a massive blow for the team. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
After so many false starts, | 0:31:15 | 0:31:17 | |
and despite indications that the Drinkwater estate could be very valuable, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
the company has to put the case to bed. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
There's no way of tracing children that Charles could have had | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
out of wedlock in India. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
As far as we're concerned, there's nothing much more that we can do. | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
Doesn't rule out the possibility that he may have had children, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
but without knowing who they were and where they were, | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
there's just no way of finding who they are. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
As the day draws to a close, partner Charles Fraser has the chance | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
to reflect on the story of the Drinkwater brothers they spent so much time researching. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:55 | |
Here, obviously, we had two brothers who died on about the same day. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
Very sad, very tragic. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
Yes, it brings things home to us all. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
But down in Sussex, Sue Mills sees their story differently. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:12 | |
She was the neighbour who found the brothers on the day they died. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
Some might say it's a very sad ending but actually I think it was | 0:32:16 | 0:32:20 | |
just what they wanted, | 0:32:20 | 0:32:21 | |
and I don't think one would have survived without the other at all. | 0:32:21 | 0:32:25 | |
Their lives were so intertwined and so dependent on each other. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:31 | |
It was quite an extraordinary relationship. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
Actually, I think it was quite a happy ending, in a sad way. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:40 | |
So George Drinkwater's heirs may never be found. | 0:32:40 | 0:32:45 | |
Unless you or someone you know is aware of children born to | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
a Charles Hooper who lived in India in the early 1900s. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:53 | |
Otherwise George's estate, estimated at over £200,000, | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
will go to the Treasury. | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
Sometimes in an heir hunt, the most seemingly simple case | 0:33:09 | 0:33:13 | |
will have a twist in the tail. | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
That was the story when the heir hunters | 0:33:15 | 0:33:17 | |
investigated Winifred Neaves. | 0:33:17 | 0:33:19 | |
She was an accounts clerk who died in Sussex aged 78 | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
without leaving a will. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:25 | |
She was a very retiring person. She wasn't shy if you met her, | 0:33:25 | 0:33:30 | |
but she never pushed herself forward. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:33 | |
She was a very pleasant person to talk to on the rare occasions | 0:33:33 | 0:33:37 | |
that one met her and talked to her. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
Believing Winifred had left behind an estimated £200,000, | 0:33:39 | 0:33:44 | |
the team was piecing together the story of her family. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:46 | |
So far, they've found one heir on Winifred's father's side. | 0:33:46 | 0:33:50 | |
It became apparent quite quickly that there were going to be | 0:33:53 | 0:33:55 | |
five stems on this case, and she was entitled to one fifth | 0:33:55 | 0:34:00 | |
of the estate. | 0:34:00 | 0:34:02 | |
Research director Gareth Langford now turned his attention | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
to her mother's family, which like Neaves, was another unusual name. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:10 | |
On the maternal side of the Neaves case, we were | 0:34:10 | 0:34:14 | |
quite lucky. Firstly, it's a very good surname, | 0:34:14 | 0:34:16 | |
Lunnon, a very unusual surname. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:18 | |
Also, the family established themselves in Lambeth | 0:34:18 | 0:34:22 | |
and they stay in Lambeth. | 0:34:22 | 0:34:24 | |
They'd worked out Winifred's mother was a Margaret Lunnon, | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
the daughter of Henry and Catherine Lunnon, who lived in South London. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:31 | |
Any of Margaret's nieces and nephews would be heirs to Winifred's estate. | 0:34:31 | 0:34:36 | |
As soon as we got the birth of Margaret, we started | 0:34:36 | 0:34:39 | |
looking for her brothers and sisters. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:42 | |
We discovered that she had 10 siblings, | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
which is obviously quite a lot. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
But from our point of view, the good part of her brothers and sisters were | 0:34:47 | 0:34:51 | |
that they were all born in Lambeth. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
We looked at the Lambeth births of Lunnon and they were all our family. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:57 | |
So far so good. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
The team had the names of all of Winifred's aunts and uncles. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
They started with one of the aunts, Grace Lunnon. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:07 | |
Did she have any children who might be heirs? | 0:35:07 | 0:35:10 | |
She was born in 1893 and she married a Gabriel Rodriguez, | 0:35:10 | 0:35:16 | |
which you would think initially would be maybe Portuguese. | 0:35:16 | 0:35:20 | |
But he was actually born in India. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:22 | |
Genealogical research traced Grace's descendants to both India and Canada | 0:35:24 | 0:35:28 | |
and in total the team managed to sign 12 heirs | 0:35:28 | 0:35:31 | |
from overseas to help them make a claim on Winifred's estate. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:36 | |
It really was becoming an international case. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
The company's costs were mounting, but believing | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
that the case was worth £200,000, | 0:35:43 | 0:35:45 | |
the heir hunters gambled that the time and expense were worth it. | 0:35:45 | 0:35:49 | |
Some cases that we look at, we can wrap up the entire family in | 0:35:49 | 0:35:54 | |
a matter of days. | 0:35:54 | 0:35:56 | |
Other cases take a bit longer. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:58 | |
I think really, | 0:35:58 | 0:35:59 | |
if you look back, it took us nearly three months to finalise this case. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:05 | |
The team managed to trace all the stems from Winifred's extended | 0:36:05 | 0:36:08 | |
family and eventually found one heir closer to home. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:13 | |
Winifred's Uncle Henry had a grandchild who lived in Somerset. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:17 | |
Lorraine Davies was astonished to hear about the surprise inheritance | 0:36:17 | 0:36:20 | |
when she came home from work one day. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:23 | |
I walked down the drive, came through the door and as soon as | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
I got through the door, the bell went. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:28 | |
There was this gentleman there who said he was from | 0:36:28 | 0:36:32 | |
a company called Fraser and Fraser. | 0:36:32 | 0:36:34 | |
They were looking into... | 0:36:34 | 0:36:38 | |
..the testate will, which | 0:36:39 | 0:36:42 | |
I might have been involved with because I was part of the family. | 0:36:42 | 0:36:46 | |
I told my husband and he thought it was quite exciting as well really, | 0:36:46 | 0:36:50 | |
because the prospect of any kind of money from out of the blue! | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
Lorraine had no idea who Winifred was and had to have | 0:36:52 | 0:36:57 | |
the family connection explained to her. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
Probably I'd never heard of her because my grandfather died the year before | 0:37:00 | 0:37:05 | |
I was born, in 1947. So, I think | 0:37:05 | 0:37:10 | |
she had lost contact with a lot of his side of the family. | 0:37:10 | 0:37:15 | |
But the news has given her the urge to join the dots together | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
with her unknown family. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:21 | |
In a way, yes, it has whetted the appetite to find out a bit | 0:37:21 | 0:37:25 | |
more about the direct family, sort of just go back a couple of generations. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:31 | |
Back at the office, the heir hunters were working on the claims | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
to Winifred's estate, estimated at £200,000. | 0:37:33 | 0:37:37 | |
There was a mountain of paperwork to process for | 0:37:37 | 0:37:40 | |
the 23 heirs dotted around the world. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:44 | |
Case Manager, Tony Pledger, was in charge of the inquiry, | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
but in September 2007 he had some news which left him reeling. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:52 | |
The matter had been accepted. | 0:37:52 | 0:37:54 | |
The whole thing was going ahead. | 0:37:54 | 0:37:56 | |
The administrator is in the property, making arrangements to | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
clear the assets, etc, and they found a will. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:05 | |
In amongst Winifred's belongings, | 0:38:05 | 0:38:06 | |
her cousin had found a brown envelope which contained a document. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:11 | |
Incredibly, it looked like Winifred's last will and testament. | 0:38:11 | 0:38:16 | |
Usually, these cases are sent to the Treasury Solicitor | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
because there is no valid will. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:21 | |
So, it's unusual for one to pop up. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:23 | |
So, obviously, when one does occur, we need to look at it very closely. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:27 | |
We are really making sure that that will is actually a valid will. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:31 | |
Every part of it is actually what the deceased wanted to say. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:36 | |
That it has being witnessed correctly, | 0:38:36 | 0:38:38 | |
that the deceased has signed it, all the addresses tally up. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
So, there are lots | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
of clues for an invalid will, but this one was the genuine article. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:48 | |
Winifred's will stated that her entire estate go to, not | 0:38:49 | 0:38:52 | |
relatives...but to charity. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:56 | |
St Dunstan's is a care centre for blind ex-servicemen, | 0:38:56 | 0:38:59 | |
based just miles from where Winifred lived at Polegate. | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
Winifred's bequest turned out to be worth £300,000, and | 0:39:04 | 0:39:09 | |
Marketing Manager Dan Carter knows the difference that money will make. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
We rely heavily upon these legacies, and we just basically couldn't | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
continue the service that we provide without | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
people leaving gifts in their wills. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:21 | |
The charity was started in 1914 | 0:39:22 | 0:39:25 | |
by Sir Arthur Pearson, a newspaper owner who himself was going blind. | 0:39:25 | 0:39:30 | |
He wanted to help soldiers who'd lost their sight | 0:39:33 | 0:39:35 | |
on the battlefields of the First World War. | 0:39:35 | 0:39:38 | |
We're currently helping 5,000 beneficiaries across the whole of | 0:39:41 | 0:39:44 | |
the UK, and we aim to increase those services to another 650 beneficiaries | 0:39:44 | 0:39:52 | |
next year, because the need for our service is constantly growing. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:56 | |
Back at the company, the news of a will was a massive shock. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
The three months spent investigating the case had | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
been for nothing, and the gamble they'd taken hadn't paid off. | 0:40:05 | 0:40:10 | |
But that wasn't all... | 0:40:10 | 0:40:12 | |
It also means, of course, that we have got a lot of | 0:40:12 | 0:40:15 | |
extra expense to go to, because we have got write to all of the heirs, | 0:40:15 | 0:40:19 | |
explaining the situation to them, | 0:40:19 | 0:40:20 | |
dealing with their understandable queries that | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
they may have. And we get nothing out of it, so the whole | 0:40:24 | 0:40:27 | |
matter is a complete waste of a lot of resources and a lot of time. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
There is a disappointment to the people we have approached. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:35 | |
They all thought they were going to get a share in the estate. | 0:40:35 | 0:40:37 | |
One of the people that the company had to break the news to | 0:40:37 | 0:40:41 | |
-was Lorraine Davies. -The day the letter came, which basically said, | 0:40:41 | 0:40:46 | |
a will had been found, and I think that was the end of it, basically. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:51 | |
You know, nothing else was going to happen for us. | 0:40:51 | 0:40:55 | |
I was disappointed. Naturally. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
In the back of my mind, although it had been going on for quite a few | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
months, I hadn't really thought about it a lot, but every time a letter | 0:41:01 | 0:41:06 | |
came, you thought, "Oh, perhaps we're getting nearer to something." But in | 0:41:06 | 0:41:11 | |
the end, there was nothing, and, you get a little bit of disappointment, | 0:41:11 | 0:41:17 | |
but, you know, it was something for nothing, basically. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:20 | |
Lorraine's full of admiration for Winifred's cousin. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
She feels she made a noble choice in a difficult situation. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:28 | |
I think, as I've been told, that the lady that was going to inherit | 0:41:28 | 0:41:33 | |
actually found the will while she was throwing rubbish away, | 0:41:33 | 0:41:38 | |
and she...didn't throw it away, and actually sort of | 0:41:38 | 0:41:45 | |
produced it formally. | 0:41:45 | 0:41:47 | |
I think that's fantastic because the temptation, perhaps not for her, | 0:41:47 | 0:41:51 | |
but for some people, the temptation would had been to | 0:41:51 | 0:41:53 | |
get rid of the will because then she would have inherited something. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
So, I think she's a really good person, | 0:41:57 | 0:42:01 | |
she must be a very nice person. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
And knowing Winifred's £300,000 estate would have been split | 0:42:03 | 0:42:08 | |
23 ways, Lorraine's relieved it's all going to a good cause. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
It was a good feeling and nothing to do with me, because the | 0:42:13 | 0:42:16 | |
money... I may have got a very small part of it, | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
but actually, I am pleased that it is going to a good charity as well. | 0:42:19 | 0:42:24 | |
So while the heir hunters have spent valuable resources chasing | 0:42:24 | 0:42:28 | |
an estate that didn't have any return for them, in this case | 0:42:28 | 0:42:32 | |
there is a consolation. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:34 | |
The heirs, I think, generally speaking, are | 0:42:37 | 0:42:40 | |
happy, if nothing else, that the deceased's wishes have at least | 0:42:40 | 0:42:43 | |
been fulfilled, so it's good that's the money has gone to | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
where it was originally meant to go. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
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