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Today the Heir Hunters are in York, desperately trying to contact | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
the beneficiaries to an unclaimed estate. | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
Somewhere out there, there are some long lost relatives | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
who have no idea they're in line for a windfall. | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
Could the Heir Hunters be knocking at your door? | 0:00:18 | 0:00:20 | |
On today's programme... | 0:00:39 | 0:00:40 | |
-Come on, Michael. -..the team's under pressure to come up with the goods. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:44 | |
No reply, no answer phone either. | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
As they struggle to find heirs to the estate of a mysterious recluse. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:53 | |
He would walk past you, down the drive, | 0:00:53 | 0:00:55 | |
without even acknowledging the fact that you were there. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
And the death of a talented artist in Scotland | 0:00:58 | 0:01:01 | |
brings back some long lost childhood memories. | 0:01:01 | 0:01:05 | |
I was born on the 7th November and he was born on the 15th, | 0:01:05 | 0:01:08 | |
so we always said we were twins. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:10 | |
Plus, how you may be entitled to inherit an unclaimed estate | 0:01:11 | 0:01:14 | |
held by the Treasury. | 0:01:14 | 0:01:16 | |
Could thousands of pounds be heading your way? | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
Every year in the UK, | 0:01:25 | 0:01:27 | |
an estimated 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:27 | 0:01:31 | |
If no relatives are found, | 0:01:31 | 0:01:32 | |
then any money that's left behind will go to the government. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
Last year, they made £12 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:41 | |
That's where the Heir Hunters come in. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
They make it their business to track down missing relatives | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
I bring about a change so that the rightful assets | 0:01:53 | 0:01:58 | |
go to the rightful family members and not to the state. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
It's seven in the morning | 0:02:09 | 0:02:10 | |
at the offices of heir hunters Fraser & Fraser. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
And boss Neil Fraser has been scanning | 0:02:14 | 0:02:17 | |
the Treasury's weekly list of unclaimed estates. | 0:02:17 | 0:02:20 | |
One case has caught his eye. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
I'm going to have a look at this Fawcett case, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
just really got the address. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:25 | |
It looks like it's a possible one | 0:02:25 | 0:02:28 | |
and we may be dealing with an estate of £100-150,000. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
Case manager Dave Slee is kick-starting the investigation | 0:02:34 | 0:02:38 | |
and has got hold of one of Ronald Fawcett's neighbours, | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
Robert Shipley. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:42 | |
We think Mr Fawcett might have been born in Stoke-on-Trent in about 1931. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:47 | |
Would that be about right? That would've made him about 79, 78. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:53 | |
Ronald Fawcett died on the 15th April 2009 in Stoke-on-Trent. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:03 | |
He left no will and not even a photograph survives of him. | 0:03:03 | 0:03:06 | |
Before his parents passed away in the early '90s, | 0:03:08 | 0:03:10 | |
Ronald lived with them in this semi-detached house. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:14 | |
His neighbour Robert Shipley remembers him as a solitary man. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
I didn't see anything of him at all while his parents were alive. | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
He was like a ghostly figure who just... | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
You very rarely saw anything of him. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:25 | |
I should say he was about... | 0:03:28 | 0:03:30 | |
about six foot two. | 0:03:30 | 0:03:33 | |
Very, very, very gaunt, very bony. | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
A stooped figure. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
He would walk past you, down the drive, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
without even acknowledging the fact that you were there. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
He was in a world of his own. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
Unlike Ronald, his father Albert Fawcett was a colourful character | 0:03:48 | 0:03:54 | |
and well-known in the community as a retired chief inspector | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
in the Staffordshire police force. | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
Well, his father, being a police office, was obviously | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
more used to dealing with the public than his son was. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
And he was very open and a nice chap. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:10 | |
His wife, Ron's mother, she was a little, old lady. | 0:04:10 | 0:04:14 | |
You never hardly ever saw anything of her at all. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:16 | |
When his parents passed away and, obviously, he was on his own, | 0:04:16 | 0:04:22 | |
then he became more friendly. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
He'd bring us a bottle of wine round at Christmas and things like this. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
And we exchanged Christmas cards. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
He was a man of few words, he would hardly ever speak. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
But that's just how he was, he just wanted to be alone | 0:04:35 | 0:04:41 | |
and spoke very little to anybody. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
In the office, the investigation is well under way. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:47 | |
How many years would you have known the family? | 0:04:47 | 0:04:50 | |
Obviously more than the ten because, of course, you knew the father. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:53 | |
Dave has managed to establish the bare bones of Ronald's family tree. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:57 | |
His parents were Albert Fawcett and Mary Edwards. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:01 | |
Ronald was an only child. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:04 | |
This means there will be no brothers or sisters to inherit. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
So they will have to start the search for cousins. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
Only child, they think. | 0:05:14 | 0:05:15 | |
Father's definitely from Yorkshire, came down to Stoke from Yorkshire. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
OK. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:20 | |
They've also found out that Ronald owned the house that he lived in, | 0:05:22 | 0:05:26 | |
which they think is worth about £120,000. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:30 | |
The heir hunters work on commission, | 0:05:30 | 0:05:32 | |
taking a percentage of the amount that's claimed by each heir. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:35 | |
So it's important for them to uncover the high-value cases. | 0:05:35 | 0:05:39 | |
Unfortunately, Neil's discovered that, a few years earlier, | 0:05:42 | 0:05:44 | |
Ronald had done an equity release deal on the property. | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
Equity release is something I hate to see on houses, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:51 | |
I hate to see on estates because, more often that not, | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
the actual price that someone's achieved for their property | 0:05:55 | 0:05:58 | |
isn't very good. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:00 | |
So, let's say he got £60,000, | 0:06:00 | 0:06:03 | |
he's then lived for a few years afterwards, | 0:06:03 | 0:06:06 | |
we know he spent a couple of thousand pounds, at least, on a brand new car. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
We're looking at an estate which may not be any more than £30,000, | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
£20-30,000. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:14 | |
Which, when you think he lived in the property which he owned, | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
which could be worth £120,000 and we're looking at a £30,000 estate, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:22 | |
you can see why I don't like equity release. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
Neil's worried that if the estate is less valuable than he thought, | 0:06:24 | 0:06:29 | |
then it will be harder for the company to turn a profit | 0:06:29 | 0:06:32 | |
on this job. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:33 | |
And with 30 rival heir hunting companies | 0:06:33 | 0:06:36 | |
all chasing the same cases, speed is of the essence. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:39 | |
The pressure's on case manager David Pacifico to deliver. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:46 | |
It all seems to be coming out in York, | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
both sides, both parents were born in York. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
Paul Matthews is doing an inquiry around Stoke. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:54 | |
I think I'm going to send him from there to York. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
Heir hunting relies heavily on research done in the office. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:01 | |
But it's the senior researchers on the road, like Paul Matthews, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
who are the public face of the company. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
They're based all over the country and its their job to follow up | 0:07:08 | 0:07:12 | |
any lead and make sure that they get to the heirs | 0:07:12 | 0:07:14 | |
ahead of the competition. | 0:07:14 | 0:07:16 | |
Paul's already been on the road for an hour when he gets a call from HQ. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:21 | |
-Hi, it's me running this job of Fawcett. -Oh, right, OK, Dave. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:25 | |
Whereabouts are you at the moment? | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
I am 30 miles from Stoke Registry Office. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
Right, well, the bad news for you | 0:07:32 | 0:07:33 | |
is that it all seems to be coming out in York. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
-York! -Yeah, I'm afraid I'll have to ask you to go to York. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:40 | |
Right, OK-cokey. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:43 | |
'OK, Dave. I'll send you a Christmas card when I get there.' | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
DAVID LAUGHS | 0:07:46 | 0:07:47 | |
While Paul heads towards York, | 0:07:47 | 0:07:50 | |
David and researcher Michael start pounding the keyboards. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
They're searching through records for births, | 0:07:54 | 0:07:56 | |
marriages and deaths within the UK. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
One birth...John. | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
-John Fawcett. -John Fawcett. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
They're looking for cousins of the deceased, | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
so they need to come up with family trees for Ronald's father | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
and mother, Albert Fawcett and Mary Edwards. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:14 | |
The father had at least two siblings. | 0:08:14 | 0:08:16 | |
It may only be two siblings, one of whom we don't know the name, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
it's just shown as an unnamed child on the 1911 Census. | 0:08:19 | 0:08:25 | |
Ronald's paternal grandparents were Ernest Fawcett and Lily Dearsley. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:31 | |
They had three children, Ronald's father Albert, a brother John | 0:08:31 | 0:08:35 | |
and another child who the team can't yet identify. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
So, on the father's side, there are only two potential stems | 0:08:40 | 0:08:43 | |
which could produce cousins and beneficiaries. | 0:08:43 | 0:08:46 | |
On the maternal side, it looks like the family's even smaller. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
Mother had one brother, who we've now identified died in 1990, | 0:08:52 | 0:08:57 | |
who was married and we're checking for the marriage | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
and to see if there's any children. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
Ronald's maternal grandparents were Arthur Edwards and Emily Morris. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:06 | |
His mother Mary was born in 1906 | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
and she had one brother Ernest Jesse, born in 1909. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:14 | |
With the basic family trees in place, the race is now on | 0:09:14 | 0:09:18 | |
to find some living heirs to Ronald's estate | 0:09:18 | 0:09:20 | |
that is now estimated at £30,000. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:22 | |
David hands over the maternal side of the investigation | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
to researcher Noel. | 0:09:27 | 0:09:28 | |
While Michael will take charge of the paternal side. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
Michael should have the easier job | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
as Fawcett is a more unusual name than Edwards, | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
so there will be less records to check. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
David. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:42 | |
-Where's that? -York. -You've got him. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
But today, Noel's on fire. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
Within minutes, he's come up with a possible Edwards cousin. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:52 | |
-You know something. -Shall we go for it? I'll get the... | 0:09:52 | 0:09:55 | |
You know, you could make a genealogy chart. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
Here you go. Do you want it? | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
Noel's given me the address of a cousin on the maternal side. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:03 | |
-What have you given me, Michael? -Come on, Michael. -Come on, Michael. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
Michael's got some catching up to do, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:08 | |
as David heads off to chase up Noel's lead. | 0:10:08 | 0:10:10 | |
It's only 9am and he could already be on his way to his first heir. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:15 | |
No reply and no answer phone either. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
Hopefully, he will be home later, unless they're away on holiday. | 0:10:20 | 0:10:25 | |
I will have my guy there later on today. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
It's disappointing for David, but straight away, Noel hands him | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
another chance to make that important early break through. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
He's found the number for another maternal cousin. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:38 | |
In that case, let's go and phone them. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
Good morning, I'm trying to contact a Mary Lazenby whose maiden name | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
would be Edwards and I'm hoping the daughter of an Ernest Jesse Edwards. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:50 | |
My name is David Pacifico, thank you very much. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:54 | |
Another phone call and another brick wall. | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
David desperately needs to speak to an heir, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
but, right now, all he's getting is answering machines. | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
But at least Michael's making some progress | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
on the paternal side of the case. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
Yes, I think you might have something there. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:11 | |
Michael's found a potential first cousin on Ronald's father's side. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:16 | |
Could this be third time lucky for David? | 0:11:16 | 0:11:18 | |
I'm sorry to trouble you, | 0:11:20 | 0:11:21 | |
I'm speaking from Central London, | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
I represent a company of probate researchers called Fraser & Fraser. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
Finally, someone's in to take his call. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
Do you much about your father's side of the family? | 0:11:30 | 0:11:32 | |
You don't know whether your father had any brothers at all? | 0:11:32 | 0:11:35 | |
All right, because, unfortunately, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:39 | |
you may not be the correct family after all. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
Poor David, he's under so much pressure to deliver, | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
but he just can't seem to crack this case open. | 0:11:44 | 0:11:48 | |
Back to square one, on the father's side anyway. | 0:11:48 | 0:11:52 | |
Better go and tell the boys. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:54 | |
Coming up... | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
at last there's a light at the end of the tunnel for David. | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
One of my colleagues is actually in York as we speak, | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
would it be possible for you to meet with him? | 0:12:03 | 0:12:05 | |
But he's not out of the woods yet. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
-Er, Mr Edwards went away this morning for a weekend break. -Oh. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:13 | |
Often, when someone dies without leaving a will, | 0:12:18 | 0:12:21 | |
their death will be registered many miles from where they were born. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
This can put great distance between heirs | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
and makes the search for beneficiaries that much harder. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
Like the case of Anthony Whelan. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
In September 2008, his £18,000 estate | 0:12:34 | 0:12:38 | |
appeared on the Queen's and Lord Treasurer's Remembrancer, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:41 | |
Scotland's register for unclaimed estates. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:44 | |
The case was picked up by Saul Marks | 0:12:46 | 0:12:48 | |
of heir hunting company Celtic Research. | 0:12:48 | 0:12:51 | |
The Whelan case came to me via our Scottish researcher | 0:12:52 | 0:12:55 | |
and, although the deceased had died in Scotland, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:58 | |
he was actually born in Liverpool. | 0:12:58 | 0:12:59 | |
So, being the head of the North-West office, I was given the case. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:04 | |
Anthony Whelan, known as Tony to his friends, | 0:13:05 | 0:13:08 | |
died on the 19th July 2008 | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
on Rothesay on the west coast of Scotland. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
Before he moved up there, | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
Tony worked as a lecturer in theatre design and stage craft | 0:13:17 | 0:13:20 | |
at the Royal Scottish Academy of Music and Drama in Glasgow. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:24 | |
At the time, Alison Clark was a drama student there | 0:13:26 | 0:13:30 | |
and she remembers her former tutor with great affection. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:33 | |
He was very warm, witty and wise. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
Er, he liked you to work hard, erm, but he imparted information | 0:13:39 | 0:13:46 | |
with such, he had such a sense of fun about him. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
He was a very talented man. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
As well as the arts, Alison and Tony shared another great passion - | 0:13:52 | 0:13:57 | |
the sea. | 0:13:57 | 0:13:58 | |
He was a great sailor which I didn't know until, I think, | 0:13:58 | 0:14:02 | |
he'd overheard me saying to one of my pals that I was learning to sail. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:08 | |
And it turned out that he had a little, | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
a lovely, little boat called Luisa. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
And he said, "Well, when you get your ticket, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:18 | |
"you can come and sail on my boat." | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
And I did. And it was...that was where our friendship really started. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:25 | |
It was a friendship that was to last for the next 30 years. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
Tony eventually retired to the Isle of Bute | 0:14:29 | 0:14:32 | |
where he lived aboard his beloved Luisa. | 0:14:32 | 0:14:34 | |
Alison and her husband kept in touch with Tony, | 0:14:36 | 0:14:39 | |
but, even after all those years, | 0:14:39 | 0:14:41 | |
he still remained something of an enigma. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:43 | |
He was a very private man. | 0:14:44 | 0:14:47 | |
It took me years to learn some things about him. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
He hated birthdays, he hated celebration of any kind, | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
he loathed Christmas, he called it humbuggery. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
Tony eventually contracted Parkinson's disease | 0:14:59 | 0:15:02 | |
and had to move into a home on Rothesay. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:05 | |
Towards the end, he withdrew into himself. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
But death, it seemed, held no fear. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
On the mantelpiece were stacked a whole bundle of letters. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:18 | |
With the note, "These are to be posted when I die." | 0:15:18 | 0:15:21 | |
When he did die, I got this letter and it said, "Tony Whelan has died!" | 0:15:21 | 0:15:27 | |
Exclamation mark. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:28 | |
For Alison, it was the end of a remarkable friendship. | 0:15:28 | 0:15:33 | |
He was almost like a mentor. | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
He would recommend plays, recommend music. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:43 | |
And he had so much knowledge and love of life. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
When Saul started investigating Anthony Whelan's £18,000 estate | 0:15:52 | 0:15:56 | |
in September 2008, | 0:15:56 | 0:15:58 | |
he already knew that the deceased had not married and had no children. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:02 | |
So, any heirs would have to be cousins. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:04 | |
But he also knew that the deceased's surname | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
was not going to make this an easy search. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:10 | |
Obviously, the surname Whelan is very Irish in origin | 0:16:12 | 0:16:16 | |
and Merseyside region has hundreds of thousands of Irish families. | 0:16:16 | 0:16:21 | |
Saul first went to the online birth and marriage indexes | 0:16:24 | 0:16:27 | |
where he established that Tony's parents were Joseph Whelan | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
and Annie O'Hara, another extremely common name in the Irish community. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:34 | |
There was going to be no way to find out which Joseph Whelan and | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
which Annie O'Hara they were without getting the marriage certificate. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:42 | |
So I went off to Liverpool Registry Office | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
to get the marriage certificate of the parents. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
But he arrived too late | 0:16:46 | 0:16:48 | |
and the office had closed for the bank holiday weekend. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
When we get cases that have just been released, | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
we need to get on top of them quickly. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:55 | |
It's a very competitive business these days | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
and there are always competitor companies | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
who are working the same case. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
Four days later, when Saul did get hold of the marriage certificate, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:07 | |
it gave him Joseph and Annie's father's names, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:10 | |
which meant he could start work on their family trees. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
We were desperate to get it done as quickly as we could, | 0:17:14 | 0:17:16 | |
in case any other companies had been doing it in the meantime. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
Tony's father Joseph was one of five brothers born to John Whelan | 0:17:20 | 0:17:25 | |
and his wife Catherine. | 0:17:25 | 0:17:27 | |
While his mother Annie was one of seven, born to Francis O'Hara | 0:17:28 | 0:17:31 | |
and his wife Catherine. | 0:17:31 | 0:17:33 | |
On the face of it, | 0:17:35 | 0:17:36 | |
two large families like this would normally lead to many heirs. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
As it turned out, only two of Tony's paternal uncles had children | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
and it was the same story in his mother's family. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
Six of the seven only produced seven children, I think, between them. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:54 | |
So they were... They didn't have very many children, | 0:17:54 | 0:17:58 | |
it was a much smaller family in the end | 0:17:58 | 0:18:00 | |
than we were originally expecting. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
And the number of heirs was, consequently, much, much less. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:05 | |
The smaller the number of heirs, the more difficult life is for Saul. | 0:18:05 | 0:18:09 | |
If there are lots of heirs, | 0:18:09 | 0:18:11 | |
then the chances are, all the companies will get a few each, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:15 | |
but when there are fewer heirs, then the pressure's on. | 0:18:15 | 0:18:18 | |
Coming up... | 0:18:18 | 0:18:20 | |
is it all over for Saul | 0:18:20 | 0:18:22 | |
when he discovers the competition has pipped him to the post? | 0:18:22 | 0:18:26 | |
It's not the done thing in our profession to persuade anyone | 0:18:26 | 0:18:30 | |
to break a contract that they've already signed with someone else. | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
Heir hunters solve thousands of cases a year | 0:18:40 | 0:18:44 | |
and millions of pounds are paid out to rightful heirs. | 0:18:44 | 0:18:47 | |
But not every case can be cracked. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:49 | |
The Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
that have baffled heir hunters and remain unsolved. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:56 | |
Could you be the heir they're searching for? | 0:18:57 | 0:19:00 | |
Could you be in line for a windfall worth hundreds, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
thousands or even millions of pounds? | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
Estates stay on the list for up to 30 years | 0:19:08 | 0:19:10 | |
and, today, we're focusing on three names. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
Are they relatives of yours? | 0:19:12 | 0:19:14 | |
John Mark Frith Blezard died on the 20th April 2009, | 0:19:17 | 0:19:22 | |
aged 56 in Workington, Cumbria. | 0:19:22 | 0:19:25 | |
Mr Blezard was a registrar of births, marriages and deaths | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
in Workington for over 30 years. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:33 | |
But he left no will and, so far, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:35 | |
no-one has come forward to claim his estate. | 0:19:35 | 0:19:38 | |
Norah Ellen Elleman died on the 12th December 2002, aged 81 in Welland. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:47 | |
Elleman was once a very popular name in Hereford and Worcestershire. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:54 | |
But there are now less than 100 of them in the whole of the UK. | 0:19:54 | 0:19:58 | |
Does anyone remember this one? | 0:19:58 | 0:19:59 | |
If no heirs of hers are found, her money will go to the government. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:05 | |
Vivian Michael Brownray died on the 27th August 2005, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
aged 85 in Bangor, Conway. | 0:20:13 | 0:20:15 | |
Vivian is a rare but traditional man's name and, | 0:20:18 | 0:20:21 | |
combined with the unusual surname Brownray, | 0:20:21 | 0:20:24 | |
someone must remember this unique combination. | 0:20:24 | 0:20:26 | |
If the names John Blezard, Norah Elleman or Vivian Brownray | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
mean anything to you or someone you know, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
you could have a fortune coming your way. | 0:20:37 | 0:20:40 | |
At Celtic Research's Liverpool office, | 0:20:45 | 0:20:49 | |
heir hunter Saul Marks was still working the case | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
of talented artist and old seadog Tony Whelan. | 0:20:52 | 0:20:55 | |
Tony died aged 69 in Rothesay on the west coast of Scotland. | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
His legacy to me | 0:21:02 | 0:21:03 | |
is that... | 0:21:03 | 0:21:06 | |
..I have continued to be interested in things, new things. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:14 | |
Erm, I listen to music that is sometimes challenging. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:20 | |
Erm, but he always stretched your imagination | 0:21:20 | 0:21:25 | |
and stretched the boundaries. | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
Tony's artistic tastes were formed in his 30s | 0:21:27 | 0:21:31 | |
when he left Liverpool to go to art school in London. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:34 | |
When he first arrived at the end of the '50s, | 0:21:36 | 0:21:38 | |
rationing had just ended and the War was still a recent memory. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:44 | |
The style of painting being taught reflected this feeling | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
of sober realism. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:48 | |
Art in this country was really dominated by kitchen sink. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
It was people like John Bratby and Derrick Greaves and Ed Middleditch | 0:21:53 | 0:21:57 | |
and others. And they were painting toilets, | 0:21:57 | 0:22:00 | |
they were painting, literally, kitchen sinks. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
But, at the same time, on the other side of the Atlantic, | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
a revolution was taking place in the art world. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:10 | |
Avant-garde art had burst onto the scene | 0:22:10 | 0:22:13 | |
and the American public couldn't get enough of it, | 0:22:13 | 0:22:16 | |
queuing up to get into the first exhibitions. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:18 | |
It wasn't long before this exciting | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
and experimental new movement came to London. | 0:22:22 | 0:22:24 | |
And, as a student, Tony would have been at the heart of it. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
I think the dominant theme of this period, | 0:22:31 | 0:22:36 | |
being an art student around the '50s and '60s, | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
is a progressive openness to what's going on around you, | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
the consumer boom. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:44 | |
And the mass media really begun to influence artists. | 0:22:44 | 0:22:48 | |
I think there was a social revolution at this time | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
and I think there was a corresponding artistic revolution. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:55 | |
There was a thirst for change. | 0:22:55 | 0:22:57 | |
Erm, with greater wealth, with greater financial means, | 0:22:57 | 0:23:01 | |
people wanted to put the past behind them | 0:23:01 | 0:23:05 | |
and they wanted to strike out in new directions. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:08 | |
You want to reflect these things, you want to plug into them | 0:23:08 | 0:23:12 | |
and you want to make an art that is of its time, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
a new art engaged with a very dynamic, new, engaging world. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:21 | |
After a slow start, | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
heir hunter Saul Marks had finally got the information he needed | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
to crack this case. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:29 | |
On Tony's father Joseph's side, he found three heirs. | 0:23:29 | 0:23:34 | |
While his mother Annie had six brothers and sisters. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:38 | |
Between them, they had eight children. | 0:23:38 | 0:23:40 | |
Sure enough, once we'd established that there were eight heirs | 0:23:42 | 0:23:45 | |
on the maternal side, many of them were here in the Merseyside area, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
it was a case of dashing round at high speed | 0:23:49 | 0:23:51 | |
to see as many of them as possible. | 0:23:51 | 0:23:53 | |
So, it was jumping in the car and going from one to the next, | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
to the next and hoping that none of them had been contacted before. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
Saul had known from the beginning | 0:24:00 | 0:24:01 | |
that there would be a lot of interest in this case | 0:24:01 | 0:24:04 | |
from other heir hunting companies. | 0:24:04 | 0:24:07 | |
When he discovered that there were relatively few heirs, | 0:24:07 | 0:24:09 | |
he knew that he would have to act quickly | 0:24:09 | 0:24:11 | |
if he was going to get to them before the competition. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:15 | |
The first heir that he approached was Julie Evans, | 0:24:18 | 0:24:21 | |
Tony's first cousin on his mother's side. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
What Saul didn't know was that Julie had already been contacted | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
the day before by a rival company | 0:24:27 | 0:24:30 | |
who broke the news to her that Tony had died. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
A gentleman who rang me to tell me | 0:24:34 | 0:24:38 | |
that my cousin... Did I have a cousin, Anthony Whelan? | 0:24:38 | 0:24:43 | |
So, I said, yes, I did. | 0:24:43 | 0:24:44 | |
But I was very cautious because I don't divulge details easily. | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
After talking to the other company, Julie agreed | 0:24:49 | 0:24:51 | |
that they should send her a contract by post, which arrived the next day. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:55 | |
She signed it and put it out for posting. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
But later that morning, she noticed a car pull into her driveway. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:03 | |
A gentleman gets out, very smartly dressed with a briefcase, | 0:25:03 | 0:25:07 | |
walks up the drive and I think, this looks like a doctor, but I'm not ill. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
Came to the door and it turned out to be Saul. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
I stated who I was and the situation | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
and she and her husband, actually, invited me in | 0:25:18 | 0:25:20 | |
and we had a lovely chat. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:21 | |
Saul was able to show Julie and her husband the family tree | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
that he'd drawn up, showing all Tony's relatives | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
and explained to her how he had gathered some of his information. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:32 | |
In return, Julie was able to tell Saul about her cousin Tony. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
As children, they had been very close. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:40 | |
We used to call each other the twins | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
because I was born on the 7th November and he was born on the 15th. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:48 | |
So we always said we were twins. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:49 | |
She also had fond memories of Tony's father, Joseph Whelan. | 0:25:51 | 0:25:56 | |
Uncle Joe was so reserved, very gentlemanly, | 0:25:56 | 0:26:00 | |
didn't display his feelings easily. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:03 | |
I think, probably, Tony inherited some of that from his father. | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
Julie was also able to shed some light on Tony's romantic life. | 0:26:08 | 0:26:12 | |
He was engaged to be married and his fiancee died quite tragically. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:19 | |
And whether that affected him, I think it did, actually, | 0:26:21 | 0:26:27 | |
because I think, maybe, he went more into himself then. | 0:26:27 | 0:26:31 | |
Sadly, the two cousins lost touch when they were in their early 20s. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:36 | |
I went over to Canada to work. | 0:26:36 | 0:26:38 | |
And we just...I'm not sure when his mother died and his father died. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:45 | |
And once that connection was gone, it was gone then. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:49 | |
Because, by that time, he'd gone down to London. | 0:26:49 | 0:26:51 | |
But Julie did have one thing to remind her of her long lost cousin. | 0:26:51 | 0:26:55 | |
He had given her one of his paintings for her 21st birthday. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:00 | |
She was able to go and get this framed painting | 0:27:02 | 0:27:04 | |
and show it to me and it actually had, on the back of it, | 0:27:04 | 0:27:07 | |
his signature and the date when he did it. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:09 | |
Which was great to be able to look at something which he'd done. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:14 | |
It really brought him to life, from my point of view. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:17 | |
But while all this was going on, | 0:27:17 | 0:27:20 | |
there was still the small matter of a signed contract in the hall | 0:27:20 | 0:27:23 | |
that was waiting to be posted to a rival heir hunting company. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:26 | |
It's not the done thing in our profession to persuade anyone | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
to break a contract that they've already signed with someone else. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:38 | |
So I simply left my contract with them, for them to decide. | 0:27:38 | 0:27:43 | |
It didn't take Julie long to make up her mind. | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
She came to the conclusion, in the end, that she would, | 0:27:46 | 0:27:49 | |
actually, prefer to sign with us than with the other company. | 0:27:49 | 0:27:52 | |
So she never actually broke that contract, | 0:27:52 | 0:27:54 | |
she just chose to post ours and not theirs. | 0:27:54 | 0:27:56 | |
For Saul, it was a great conclusion to a fascinating investigation. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:02 | |
In the end, he managed to sign up five out of eleven heirs | 0:28:02 | 0:28:05 | |
to Tony Whelan's £18,000 estate. | 0:28:05 | 0:28:08 | |
But, for Julie, it wasn't about the money. | 0:28:12 | 0:28:15 | |
Through Saul, she got in touch with Tony's old friend Alison, | 0:28:15 | 0:28:19 | |
who sent her some more recent photographs of her cousin. | 0:28:19 | 0:28:22 | |
Julie hadn't seen Tony since they were in their 20s, | 0:28:22 | 0:28:26 | |
so the photos took her by surprise. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:28 | |
I would never, ever have associated him with having a beard. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:32 | |
But it does tie in with the mariner aspect, doesn't it? | 0:28:32 | 0:28:36 | |
Absolutely. It makes me feel as though I know him now. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:40 | |
Again. Ha-ha. How strange. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
But chatting with Alison brought the old memories flooding back. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
What she told me that she knew of him, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
it bore out exactly what I knew of him as a child. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:52 | |
That he was quiet and reserved and gentlemanly. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:55 | |
It is nice to find out that he had good friends elsewhere | 0:28:56 | 0:29:01 | |
and that they looked after him. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
And Julie knows exactly what she's going to do | 0:29:03 | 0:29:06 | |
with her share of the inheritance. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:08 | |
I love paintings. I'm going to buy a painting in memory. | 0:29:09 | 0:29:15 | |
Because all of the paintings that I have are all memories of people | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
or places and that will be one of them. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
Heir hunters Fraser & Fraser have been investigating the case | 0:29:35 | 0:29:39 | |
of reclusive Ronald Fawcett. | 0:29:39 | 0:29:40 | |
Ronald died aged 79 in Stoke-on-Trent, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:43 | |
leaving an estimated £30,000 estate. | 0:29:43 | 0:29:47 | |
I wouldn't say he was unfriendly, | 0:29:48 | 0:29:50 | |
I would say he was a reserved man, for whatever reason. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:53 | |
I think his dad, erm, dominated proceedings. | 0:29:53 | 0:29:58 | |
For many years, Ronald lived with his parents. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:01 | |
His father Albert was a larger-than-life character, | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
who had been chief superintendent of Staffordshire police force. | 0:30:05 | 0:30:09 | |
He was an old-fashioned copper. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:11 | |
And he was an enormous man, built like a giant. | 0:30:11 | 0:30:16 | |
Absolutely huge. Police officers used to visit him quite frequently. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:20 | |
They would call him "sir" | 0:30:22 | 0:30:23 | |
and he was obviously well-thought-of in the police force in his day. | 0:30:23 | 0:30:28 | |
Tom Parton served under Albert as a police inspector | 0:30:29 | 0:30:32 | |
and remembers him as an inspirational but imposing figure. | 0:30:32 | 0:30:36 | |
I respected him very much and he had | 0:30:36 | 0:30:38 | |
a terrific sense of fairness and honesty, but he took short shrift | 0:30:38 | 0:30:44 | |
with the criminal fraternity. | 0:30:44 | 0:30:46 | |
Tom recalls one particular incident | 0:30:46 | 0:30:49 | |
when a violent criminal was holed up in a house, | 0:30:49 | 0:30:51 | |
threatening to beat anyone who came near him with an iron crowbar. | 0:30:51 | 0:30:55 | |
Bert arrives on the scene, "What's going on here?" | 0:30:56 | 0:30:59 | |
And they told him. | 0:30:59 | 0:31:00 | |
So he kicked the door down, went up the stairs three at a time, | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
hit this bloke so hard he nearly went through the wall | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
into the house next door, | 0:31:06 | 0:31:07 | |
and brought him down by his trouser backside and his collar | 0:31:07 | 0:31:12 | |
and put him in the police van. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:13 | |
And that's what he did, that's the way he worked. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
But he solved that problem without any further trouble. | 0:31:17 | 0:31:21 | |
For Ronald, his father must have been a hard act to follow. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:27 | |
It seems that he chose a very different path | 0:31:27 | 0:31:29 | |
by cutting himself off from the outside world. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:32 | |
He'd had no contact with any family of note for a long, long time. | 0:31:33 | 0:31:38 | |
Maybe he didn't even know they existed, I don't know. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
It'd be a real good outcome if his family do benefit from this. | 0:31:41 | 0:31:47 | |
I would really be dead chuffed for them. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:50 | |
It's been a difficult start for heir hunter David Pacifico. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:54 | |
Erm, unfortunately, it may not be the correct family after all. | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
The team have been feeding names of potential heirs. | 0:31:57 | 0:32:00 | |
David. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:02 | |
-Where's that? -York. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:05 | |
But he just can't get the break through he needs. | 0:32:05 | 0:32:08 | |
No reply and no answer phone either. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
On the paternal side of the family, David has been trying to trace | 0:32:13 | 0:32:17 | |
an unnamed sibling of Ronald's father Albert. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:20 | |
He called York Register Office | 0:32:20 | 0:32:22 | |
who have a record of a Henry Fawcett born in 1911, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
who sounds like the missing Fawcett brother. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
Then, out of the blue, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:31 | |
one of David's answer phone messages pays off. | 0:32:31 | 0:32:34 | |
Many thanks. Thank you. Bye, bye. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:38 | |
Right, I've spoken to a widow of an uncle. | 0:32:38 | 0:32:42 | |
David has just got off the phone with Dorothy Fawcett, | 0:32:43 | 0:32:46 | |
the widow of Henry Fawcett, the missing brother of John and Albert. | 0:32:46 | 0:32:50 | |
She told David that her husband's first wife was Barbara | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
and that they'd had six children, four girls and two boys. | 0:32:54 | 0:32:58 | |
All of these children stand to inherit | 0:33:00 | 0:33:02 | |
from their cousin Ronald's estimated £30,000 estate. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:05 | |
David's delighted. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:09 | |
He's sorted out the paternal side of the case | 0:33:09 | 0:33:11 | |
and Dorothy had information about Ronald's mother's family as well. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
She also knew that the deceased's mother was, | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
her maiden name was Edwards, and she thought there was a brother | 0:33:19 | 0:33:23 | |
which ties in perfectly with what we've got. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
So I think, on the face of it, it looks like we've got one branch | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
on the mother's side of the family and two on the father's side. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
Erm, six, seven, eight. Making in total about ten beneficiaries. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:39 | |
At last, this investigation is up and running. | 0:33:39 | 0:33:43 | |
David knows how many heirs there are. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
Now he needs to get on and contact them. | 0:33:45 | 0:33:47 | |
Put that marriage update. | 0:33:47 | 0:33:49 | |
-What was the other child's name? Ruth and...? -Andrew. -Andrew. | 0:33:49 | 0:33:52 | |
Two of Ronald's ten heirs are Ruth and Andrew Fawcett, | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
the adopted children of John Fawcett, Ronald's paternal uncle. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:02 | |
Ruth and Andrew were officially adopted, | 0:34:02 | 0:34:04 | |
so they are as entitled as any biological cousins. | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
The uncle adopted two children, one of whom we've got an address for, | 0:34:09 | 0:34:13 | |
but no phone number, and the other one, we're still trying to trace her. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
David can't afford to wait around | 0:34:18 | 0:34:20 | |
while the team tracks down phone numbers for Ruth and Andrew. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:23 | |
He's got a number for Andrew's neighbour in Devon, so he dives in. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
I'm sorry to trouble you, | 0:34:28 | 0:34:30 | |
I'm speaking from London, I'm trying to trace a Mr Fawcett. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:33 | |
I'm hoping he might be a neighbour of yours. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:35 | |
I wondered if I could pass my name and details... | 0:34:35 | 0:34:38 | |
Would you mind doing so, sir? | 0:34:38 | 0:34:39 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:34:39 | 0:34:40 | |
Time for David to check in with Paul Matthews, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
who's been on the road now for four hours. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
He's just arriving in York, | 0:34:46 | 0:34:48 | |
where he's hoping to meet up with Ronald's two maternal cousins. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
If you print off the tree, | 0:34:53 | 0:34:55 | |
you'll see the addresses of the two cousins on the mother's side in York. | 0:34:55 | 0:35:00 | |
Perhaps you could make inquiries there. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:02 | |
Yeah, well, I can at least dash neighbours | 0:35:02 | 0:35:04 | |
or try and track them down. | 0:35:04 | 0:35:05 | |
-Yeah. -Perhaps the son or daughters are at work or something. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:08 | |
And the other stem where there's six children | 0:35:08 | 0:35:10 | |
and they're dotted all over place. | 0:35:10 | 0:35:12 | |
Because I'm going, obviously, to have to write to one or two people here. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:15 | |
David's also found addresses in Sheffield | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
for some heirs from Ronald's father's side. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
So he wants Paul to go on there after York. | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
It would mean a long day, | 0:35:24 | 0:35:25 | |
but the pressure's on and they can't afford to wait till tomorrow. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:29 | |
Any sign of competition? | 0:35:30 | 0:35:31 | |
Not as yet, but, you know. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:34 | |
While David's on the phone, | 0:35:34 | 0:35:36 | |
he gets a call-back from Andrew Fawcett in Devon. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
Case manager Frances Brett jumps straight on it. | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
I can see that David is going to be on the phone for quite some time. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:48 | |
I am taking it you are Andrew Fawcett of Ottery St Mary? | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
They've finally managed to speak to their first heir. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:57 | |
The company's representative in Devon is not available today, | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
so Frances explains to Andrew that he will be one of the beneficiaries | 0:36:00 | 0:36:04 | |
of his cousin Ronald's £30,000 estate. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:08 | |
Well, thank you very much, Mr Fawcett. | 0:36:08 | 0:36:11 | |
-How have you left it with him? -I'll write to him. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
At last, they're making some headway on this case. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:19 | |
An agreement will be in the post to Mr Fawcett tonight, | 0:36:19 | 0:36:22 | |
but there's still no guarantee | 0:36:22 | 0:36:23 | |
that another heir hunting company won't get to him before it arrives. | 0:36:23 | 0:36:27 | |
What they really need is to get their foot in the door | 0:36:27 | 0:36:31 | |
and meet with some heirs face-to-face. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:33 | |
Which is what Paul Matthews is trying to do in York. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
He's just arrived at the address of one of the children | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
of Ronald's maternal uncle, Ernest Jesse Edwards. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
There's plenty of activity going on at the house, | 0:36:45 | 0:36:49 | |
but no sign of the homeowner. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
He even tries the neighbours before calling back to the office. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
Er, Mr Edwards went away this morning for a weekend break. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
Oh. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:01 | |
No joy with the neighbours, all I know is he's back on Tuesday. | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
OK, what about his sister? | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
Well, I'm just about to go there now cos it's about ten miles out of York | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
-and I've got to go back the opposite way to get to the sister. -OK. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:14 | |
I'll leave a note, Dave, | 0:37:14 | 0:37:15 | |
so he knows at least we've taken the trouble to pay him first a call. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
'No, fair enough.' | 0:37:18 | 0:37:20 | |
Paul heads straight round to the other cousin's house. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:23 | |
If she's not at home, | 0:37:23 | 0:37:25 | |
then his whole trip to York will have been a complete waste of time. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
-But then, their luck changes. -Thank you for calling back. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:36 | |
David's speaking to that other heir in York, | 0:37:36 | 0:37:38 | |
Ronald's maternal cousin Mary Lazenby. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:42 | |
She couldn't have called at a better time. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
One of my colleagues is actually in York as we speak. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:48 | |
Would it be possible for you to meet with him? | 0:37:48 | 0:37:50 | |
Thank you very much, Mrs Lazenby. Bye, bye. | 0:37:50 | 0:37:53 | |
Dave calls Paul with the good news. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:56 | |
-Paul, hi, listen, Mrs Lazenby's just phoned me. -Oh, right, nice one. | 0:37:56 | 0:38:00 | |
She's happy to meet with you this afternoon. | 0:38:00 | 0:38:02 | |
I said it could be about 20 minutes. | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
Yeah, I shall be there in... oh, about five minutes. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:08 | |
So it's not a wasted journey, thank goodness. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:10 | |
While Paul heads off to Mary's address, | 0:38:10 | 0:38:13 | |
David gets busy on the phone. | 0:38:13 | 0:38:15 | |
Yes, this is Fraser & Fraser here. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
Henry Fawcett's six children have spread out all over the country. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:22 | |
The fact is, we're trying to contact all members of the Fawcett family | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
regarding an estate of a cousin of yours that has since passed away. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:30 | |
There's no sign of any competition so far on this case, | 0:38:30 | 0:38:34 | |
but David knows that they can appear at any time. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
So he's making every effort to get all these heirs signed up. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:41 | |
I'll be getting a letter in the post to you today | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
and, no doubt, we'll speak further about this in the near future. | 0:38:43 | 0:38:47 | |
In York, Paul Matthews arrives at Mary Lazenby's address. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:52 | |
Mary is Ronald's first cousin, | 0:38:53 | 0:38:55 | |
the daughter of his mother's brother, Ernest Jesse Edwards. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
Paul talks Mary through the details of her cousin Ronald's estate | 0:38:59 | 0:39:03 | |
and how she came to be contacted. | 0:39:03 | 0:39:06 | |
What happens in these cases, invariably, is he's passed away, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
-he's kept himself to himself, the neighbours haven't got a clue. -No. | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
-The social services get involved. -Yeah. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:15 | |
-They'll arrange a funeral. -Yeah. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:17 | |
And then, sooner or later, they look for relatives | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
and then we get involved and we come and tell people about it. | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
Yeah. It's quite sad, really. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:26 | |
After hearing what Paul has to say, | 0:39:26 | 0:39:29 | |
Mary decides to sign an agreement there and then. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
It's a fantastic result for Paul and the whole company. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
Their first signed-up heir on this case. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
-OK, thanks very much indeed. -Bye, bye. -Bye, bye. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:42 | |
-'Hello?' -Hello, Dave, Paul. I've seen Mrs Lazenby, very nice lady. | 0:39:42 | 0:39:47 | |
-She's signed up with us. -She did? Well done. | 0:39:47 | 0:39:49 | |
Her brother gets back on Tuesday. She will tell him about our visit. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:54 | |
But by then, he'll have a letter waiting when he gets back. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
Yeah, I'm sending a letter to him today. | 0:39:56 | 0:39:59 | |
Mary and her brother Ernest are the only two heirs | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
on the maternal side of Ronald's family tree. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:06 | |
But despite being such a small family, | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
Mary only had very vague contact with her cousin. | 0:40:09 | 0:40:11 | |
Ron was very different. He would never, erm... | 0:40:14 | 0:40:18 | |
Although he was, sort of, family-aware, | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
he didn't want any more contact. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:22 | |
I think he was just one of these very lone people. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:25 | |
I do think it's really important to keep in contact with family | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
and, I must admit, I do keep in touch with quite a few other cousins, | 0:40:30 | 0:40:33 | |
but Ron, as I say, was a little bit different. | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
Meanwhile, Paul is back on the road. His day is far from over. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:43 | |
He's now driving 60 miles south to Sheffield, | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
where he's booked in to visit at least one more heir. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
It's going to be a late finish, I'm afraid. | 0:40:50 | 0:40:54 | |
He's got an appointment to visit Frances, | 0:40:56 | 0:40:58 | |
one of Henry Fawcett's six children | 0:40:58 | 0:41:01 | |
and another of Ronald's first cousins on the paternal side. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:04 | |
When Paul does arrive in Sheffield, he gets an enthusiastic welcome. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:12 | |
DOG WHINES | 0:41:12 | 0:41:13 | |
-Hello. -Hello. -Mrs Crabtree? -It is, yes. | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
-Hello, Paul Matthews, Fraser & Fraser. -Oh, hello. -We were expected? | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
-Yeah, come in. -Nice to meet you. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
Frances is interested to hear | 0:41:21 | 0:41:23 | |
how Paul has got on with contacting other members of the family. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
So, have you had to go to York to find out Auntie Mary's, erm...? | 0:41:27 | 0:41:33 | |
-Yeah. -..family. -Yeah. Mary had a brother called Ernest, Ernest Jesse. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:39 | |
Well, I never knew that. | 0:41:39 | 0:41:40 | |
It's been another successful interview for Paul | 0:41:40 | 0:41:43 | |
and another signed agreement for the company. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:47 | |
Nice meeting you. | 0:41:47 | 0:41:48 | |
I hope you get a nice sum of money and all the best for the future. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
-Thank you. -Cheers, bye. | 0:41:50 | 0:41:52 | |
For Frances, this sad news was the first she'd heard | 0:41:52 | 0:41:55 | |
of her cousin for years. | 0:41:55 | 0:41:57 | |
We didn't really know him very well because he was very shy | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
and quiet and... | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
We didn't really see a lot of him because they lived in Stoke-on-Trent | 0:42:02 | 0:42:06 | |
and we lived in Sheffield, obviously. | 0:42:06 | 0:42:09 | |
It seems that the shy, young boy grew up to be a reclusive man. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:14 | |
But Ronald Fawcett had a large family | 0:42:17 | 0:42:18 | |
who all benefited from his estate. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:21 | |
So, in death, he won't be forgotten. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:23 | |
In the end, Frasers managed to sign up nine out of the ten heirs | 0:42:25 | 0:42:30 | |
to Ronald Fawcett's estate, which was eventually valued at £13,000, | 0:42:30 | 0:42:34 | |
less than the company had hoped for. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
But still an unexpected windfall for the heirs. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:39 | |
Very happy the way this worked together. | 0:42:39 | 0:42:41 | |
The team did very well and worked hard. | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
We identified about ten people, erm, | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
and are representing much of the family in this matter. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:50 | |
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