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Heir hunters earn their money tracing the relatives of people who've died without leaving a will. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:06 | |
They hand over thousands of pounds | 0:00:06 | 0:00:09 | |
to family members who had no idea they were in line to inherit. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:12 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:12 | 0:00:14 | |
On today's programme, the heir hunters take a gamble | 0:00:31 | 0:00:34 | |
as they challenge an 80-year-old law in pursuit of an unclaimed estate. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:39 | |
If any case is ever going to be accepted, this is the one. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
The decision is really the Treasury solicitor's, | 0:00:42 | 0:00:45 | |
and I wouldn't like to call it. | 0:00:45 | 0:00:46 | |
And 50 years after an industrial accident, | 0:00:48 | 0:00:50 | |
the search is on for heirs to £55,000 of unclaimed compensation. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
I didn't know at this time who the person was that had left the money, | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
but I was surprised there was anybody left to leave anything. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:03 | |
Plus, how you could be entitled to unclaimed estates | 0:01:03 | 0:01:07 | |
where beneficiaries still need to be found. | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
Could you be in line for an unexpected windfall? | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
Each year in the UK, an estimated 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:25 | |
If no relatives are found, then any money that's left behind | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
will go to the government. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:30 | |
And last year they pocketed £12 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:35 | |
That's where the heir hunters come in. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
They make it their business to track down missing relatives | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
I love the fact that I can put families back together, | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
I can reunite people, I can tell them secret histories | 0:01:50 | 0:01:52 | |
about their own family they don't actually know about themselves. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
The Treasury have released their weekly list of unclaimed estates | 0:02:01 | 0:02:05 | |
and across the UK heir hunters are pouring over the details. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
Fraser & Fraser is one of 30 firms competing to find heirs to estates | 0:02:09 | 0:02:13 | |
which could be worth anything from £5,000 to many millions. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:18 | |
How many births have we got on that quarter, Noel? | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
Unfortunately, this week's list has failed to offer any rich pickings, | 0:02:21 | 0:02:26 | |
so partner Neil Fraser has decided to revisit an unsolved case from the archives. | 0:02:26 | 0:02:31 | |
On this case of Ivy Hudson, it's a case we've had in our cabinets | 0:02:31 | 0:02:36 | |
since 2003, 2004, when Ivy passed away. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:41 | |
It's only now we've come back and had a second look at that, and it's 2010. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:45 | |
The reason being is we couldn't get on to the family when we first looked at it. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
We found two marriage certificates, we found a death certificate, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
all of which confirming the same age, | 0:02:52 | 0:02:55 | |
but we were never able to locate a birth | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
which went with that information. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
Neil's especially keen to solve this case | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
because, unusually, he knows the value - £25,000. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:08 | |
To guard against fraud, | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
the Treasury's list doesn't show the values of estates. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
But this is crucial information for the heir hunters, | 0:03:16 | 0:03:19 | |
because they usually work for a pre-agreed percentage. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:23 | |
We only get money if the beneficiaries we find get money, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:28 | |
and if we find a beneficiary and they're only entitled to £100, | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
I may only get £10 out of it. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
But Ivy's Hudson's estate was advertised in 2003, | 0:03:34 | 0:03:39 | |
when the list still included values. | 0:03:39 | 0:03:41 | |
The team immediately began the search for heirs, | 0:03:41 | 0:03:44 | |
but they couldn't find any trace of family | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
so the case got put to one side. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:49 | |
Today, though, there's hope they may finally be able to make some progress. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:54 | |
The recent release of the 1911 census | 0:03:54 | 0:03:57 | |
has opened up a brand-new line of enquiry. | 0:03:57 | 0:04:00 | |
This 1911 census is the most crucial piece of documentation | 0:04:00 | 0:04:07 | |
to help us establish who the next of kin to the deceased is. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
The team has begun searching the new records | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
for the name Ivy Marguerite Hudson. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
Will the census yield any names of brothers or sisters? | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
Born in 1900, Ivy worked as a Red Cross nurse | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
during the Second World War. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
When the conflict ended, she became a hairdresser | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
and lived in Kent for most of her life. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:34 | |
Ivy was married twice, | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
and died in November, 2003, at the staggering age of 103. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:42 | |
While she was surrounded by friends all her life, | 0:04:42 | 0:04:45 | |
she never had children and so left no descendants. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
Jacqueline Williams was one of Ivy's closest friends. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:55 | |
Ivy was my mum's best friend. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:56 | |
She was a travelling hairdresser in Petts Wood after the War, | 0:04:56 | 0:05:02 | |
and she came to do my mum's hair, | 0:05:02 | 0:05:04 | |
and they met and she became part of our family. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
She was a widow, she lived on her own, | 0:05:07 | 0:05:09 | |
and, in a sense, you know, her friends were her family. | 0:05:09 | 0:05:13 | |
They were the family she'd built in the absence of her own family. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
Ivy's natural charisma and zest for life | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
made a lasting impact on friends like Simon Bentley. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:24 | |
She was a lady of incredible honesty | 0:05:24 | 0:05:29 | |
and integrity and humour. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:32 | |
She made me laugh, I like to think I made her laugh. | 0:05:32 | 0:05:36 | |
She loved Abba, I love Abba. | 0:05:36 | 0:05:39 | |
Her favourite song was I Have A Dream, | 0:05:39 | 0:05:41 | |
and we'd sit down and sing I Have A Dream together. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:44 | |
I regarded her as a really loved friend. | 0:05:46 | 0:05:49 | |
So I take a lot of pleasure from my time on Earth with Ivy, | 0:05:52 | 0:05:57 | |
and she won't be forgotten. | 0:05:57 | 0:05:59 | |
In the office, the team has had a breakthrough with the 1911 census. | 0:06:02 | 0:06:06 | |
Here we have George Telford, the head, and his wife, Annie, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:11 | |
and there's Ivy, the deceased, shown clearly as the daughter. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:16 | |
The census shows Ivy came from the Telford family and had six siblings. | 0:06:17 | 0:06:22 | |
But there's a twist. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:23 | |
I've just literally located the first of the nephews and nieces on this estate. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:31 | |
What transpires from this conversation is that | 0:06:31 | 0:06:34 | |
they believe that Ivy was not a natural child | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
born to their grandparents, George and Annie, | 0:06:38 | 0:06:42 | |
but was raised by them. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
Ivy was adopted by the Telford family, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
and these days that would make them legal blood relatives. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:52 | |
But, because the adoption happened in 1901, there's a problem. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:56 | |
The problem is that legal adoption was started by the 1926 Adoption Act, | 0:06:56 | 0:07:02 | |
which came into force in 1927, | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
so any adoption before 1927 is a non-legal, informal adoption. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:11 | |
Informal adoptions aren't recognised by the Treasury | 0:07:11 | 0:07:15 | |
which means Ivy's adoptive family would not be allowed to inherit. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:19 | |
But, because the Telfords were the only family Ivy knew, | 0:07:19 | 0:07:22 | |
the team think they may have a case. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:24 | |
Every now and then you have to test this law, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
and you have to put in a test case | 0:07:28 | 0:07:31 | |
to make sure that the old rules are still standing. | 0:07:31 | 0:07:34 | |
The company want to help Ivy's adoptive family put in a claim. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:40 | |
They've spoken to Anita Goodwin, | 0:07:40 | 0:07:42 | |
who is the daughter of Stanley Telford - Ivy's adoptive brother. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
Anita, who is known as Ann, lives in Bristol with husband Peter. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
The couple came across references to Ivy in old family papers. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:55 | |
I never met Ivy, and I didn't really know very much about her | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
until after my father died and I inherited his letter | 0:08:01 | 0:08:06 | |
that he'd had about her adoption, | 0:08:06 | 0:08:08 | |
which was her mother signing her over to my grandparents | 0:08:08 | 0:08:13 | |
when Ivy was eight months old. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:16 | |
The letter reveals what must have been a difficult decision | 0:08:16 | 0:08:20 | |
by Ivy's biological mother. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:22 | |
"I entirely renounce any claim whatsoever on the person of the child, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:28 | |
"Ivy Marguerite Hunt, from this time forth." | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
And it's signed Gertrude Alice Hunt. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
I think it's such a sad little letter. | 0:08:35 | 0:08:37 | |
This is what's made me interested in Ivy, | 0:08:37 | 0:08:39 | |
in trying to find out something about her, | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
and about her mother, but it's proving a bit difficult. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
Perhaps her mother couldn't keep her, wasn't married, | 0:08:47 | 0:08:52 | |
and it was a very difficult time to be having a baby | 0:08:52 | 0:08:56 | |
that you couldn't keep and that didn't have a father. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:59 | |
In the early 1900s, there were still thousands of children | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
either living rough or in appalling conditions in work houses. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:10 | |
Determined to combat the problem, | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
The Salvation Army recruited foster families to take children in. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
As Ann's grandfather was a committed Salvationist, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:19 | |
it's likely he volunteered. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:21 | |
He joined The Salvation Army in, uh, 1908. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
I have the paper where he signed, it's called the Articles Of War, | 0:09:26 | 0:09:31 | |
and you have to sign these Articles | 0:09:31 | 0:09:35 | |
to be enrolled as a soldier in the Salvation Army. | 0:09:35 | 0:09:39 | |
He was very strict, and you weren't allowed | 0:09:39 | 0:09:43 | |
to listen to the radio on Sundays, he would turn the electricity off. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:48 | |
Ivy never came into conversation at all, as far as I can remember. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:52 | |
I don't remember my grandmother - my grandparents lived with us - | 0:09:52 | 0:09:57 | |
but I don't remember my grandmother ever mentioning her. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
Sadly, Ann never met Ivy, but she may still be an heir to her estate | 0:10:00 | 0:10:05 | |
if the heir hunters can successfully challenge inheritance laws. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:08 | |
In London, Dave Slee and his team are gathering information | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
to try and support Ann's claim, | 0:10:12 | 0:10:15 | |
and the letter from Ivy's biological mother could be crucial. | 0:10:15 | 0:10:18 | |
Adoptions which happened before the 1927 Adoption Act | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
are considered informal, and therefore invalid. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:25 | |
But the letter suggests that Ivy's adoption was done | 0:10:25 | 0:10:27 | |
as formally as was possible in 1901. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:30 | |
The deceased was given up for adoption by her mother | 0:10:31 | 0:10:37 | |
to George and Annie Telford, who were then living in Leytonstone. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:40 | |
It's written in 1901 on headed notepaper from Shaftesbury Avenue. | 0:10:40 | 0:10:45 | |
If the address is the office of a lawyer or solicitor, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
it could help show that the adoption was formally done. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:53 | |
We have here the 1900 Kelly's Directory, | 0:10:53 | 0:10:58 | |
which is a forerunner of our modern telephone directory. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:03 | |
And under Shaftesbury Avenue, which we should find... | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
Here we have Shaftesbury Avenue, number 17... | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
..and there we are, it was the offices of a Samuel Bartlett, a solicitor. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:22 | |
So we now know that the letter written by the deceased's mother | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
in 1901 was on the headed notepaper of a solicitor. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:31 | |
This is exactly what he hoped to find. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:34 | |
They can now prove that Ivy's adoption took place | 0:11:34 | 0:11:38 | |
formally in the offices of a solicitor. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
It's the star piece of evidence among a pile of documents | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
that prove the link between Ivy and the Telfords. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
I'll furnish the Treasury solicitors | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
with a copy of the deceased's second marriage certificate, | 0:11:53 | 0:11:56 | |
which clearly states her father is George Telford, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
the 1911 census, which clearly again states | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
that she was the daughter of George and Annie Telford, | 0:12:02 | 0:12:06 | |
and, crucially, the letter from our client, the 1901 letter of the mother | 0:12:06 | 0:12:12 | |
stating that she wished to place, for adoption, the deceased | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
into the hands of George and Annie Telford. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
With such a strong paper trail, Neil is cautiously optimistic. | 0:12:19 | 0:12:24 | |
We've spoken to quite a lot of beneficiaries, | 0:12:25 | 0:12:27 | |
or potential beneficiaries. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
We've been careful to explain to them all the time | 0:12:29 | 0:12:34 | |
that there's a problem with this estate, | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
a problem trying to submit their paperwork, | 0:12:37 | 0:12:40 | |
and there's a possibility that they won't be beneficiaries. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:44 | |
However, we think this is as strong a case as we could ever put forward | 0:12:44 | 0:12:49 | |
for a relatively small value, | 0:12:49 | 0:12:51 | |
and if any case is ever going to be accepted, this is the one. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:54 | |
Ann could be in for a share of the £25,000 estate, | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
but her main interest is finding out more about Ivy. | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
I'm already working off the idea that, if they say it's no, | 0:13:03 | 0:13:08 | |
your claim isn't successful, saying, "Yeah, all right, | 0:13:08 | 0:13:12 | |
"I don't want the money, but did she leave newspaper cuttings, | 0:13:12 | 0:13:17 | |
"or has she got anything about her life, has she got photos and things?" | 0:13:17 | 0:13:22 | |
I mean, you never know if they're going to give you somebody's | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
possessions from seven years ago. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:27 | |
They might be two black bin bags full of old nighties, mightn't they? | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
May I particularly welcome Ivy? | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:13:35 | 0:13:36 | |
We are so pleased to see you here. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:38 | |
What Ann doesn't yet know is that Ivy had a large surrogate family | 0:13:38 | 0:13:42 | |
of friends and loved ones who could satisfy her desire to know more. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
And there she is at our house. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
Jacqueline Williams and her daughter, Laura, | 0:13:48 | 0:13:51 | |
were close friends of Ivy for many years. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:54 | |
It hadn't been the happiest of childhoods. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:56 | |
She talked with great affection about the children | 0:13:57 | 0:14:00 | |
and about taking them out to play and so on, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
but she didn't feel as if she was as much a part of the family | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
as the other children were, she always felt like an outsider. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
And on the morning of her 18th birthday, | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
without telling any of the family, | 0:14:14 | 0:14:15 | |
she packed her battered little suitcase, | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
put a nightie and a few other bits and pieces in it, | 0:14:18 | 0:14:20 | |
and walked out of the door and made a life for herself. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:23 | |
The two halves of Ivy's life have been separate for over 80 years. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:30 | |
Will the heir hunt bring them together? | 0:14:30 | 0:14:32 | |
When the heir hunters were asked to look at the case of Norah Jackson, | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
they uncovered the shocking tale of a tragic factory accident | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
and a compensation payout that had gone unclaimed for over 50 years. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:52 | |
Their challenge was to find the long-lost relative | 0:14:53 | 0:14:56 | |
who would inherit an estate worth £55,000. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:00 | |
The case fell to probate research firm Hoopers. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:04 | |
Like many heir hunters, their work is varied, | 0:15:04 | 0:15:07 | |
ranging from Treasury cases to solicitor referrals | 0:15:07 | 0:15:11 | |
but this case came from a more unusual source. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
This case of Norah Jackson was referred to us by the Court Funds Office, | 0:15:14 | 0:15:21 | |
a body who look after monies awarded as compensation, | 0:15:21 | 0:15:25 | |
as far as I can understand. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:28 | |
They had quite a number of these cases but this was the largest of its type | 0:15:28 | 0:15:32 | |
and there was a sum in excess of £50,000, | 0:15:32 | 0:15:35 | |
which they'd held for many, many years and they had no idea who was entitled to it | 0:15:35 | 0:15:40 | |
and so they asked us if we could bring our expertise to bear | 0:15:40 | 0:15:46 | |
and try and discover who should have this money. | 0:15:46 | 0:15:49 | |
The Court Funds Office handles money that passes through the civil courts. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:54 | |
They hold hundreds of millions of pounds for people who've been awarded damages or compensation. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:59 | |
Vast amounts of this money is sitting unclaimed. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:03 | |
We presently have approximately £85 million, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:07 | |
which represents several thousand potential beneficiaries | 0:16:07 | 0:16:13 | |
out there who have either lost contact with Court Funds Office | 0:16:13 | 0:16:18 | |
or who we can't establish a claim for. | 0:16:18 | 0:16:23 | |
In the last three years, the Court Funds Office has reunited people with payouts totalling £60 million. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:31 | |
But in the case of Norah Jackson they've drawn a blank | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
and her £55,000 estate was still unclaimed. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:38 | |
The information we were given was very limited. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:44 | |
Almost nothing at all. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:46 | |
All we had was a name, | 0:16:46 | 0:16:50 | |
and a snippet of information about their belief | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
that Norah - Norah Jackson - had died in the 1980s. | 0:16:54 | 0:17:00 | |
The problem was that even if we had stumbled across the correct death record, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:08 | |
we didn't really know how we were going to prove that was her death record. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:14 | |
We had nothing to go on. | 0:17:14 | 0:17:15 | |
It would be several weeks before Mike would unravel the mystery of Norah | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
and her husband James Jackson. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
Married in their late 30s, just at the end of the Second World War, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:28 | |
Norah and James Jackson set up life together in East Manchester. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
Kay Street is now an industrial area, | 0:17:32 | 0:17:34 | |
but at the time, it was a typical working-class terrace. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
In 1950, Norah's husband James found a job working as a maintenance man | 0:17:40 | 0:17:45 | |
in a factory which made wire cables. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
The factory no longer exists, | 0:17:51 | 0:17:52 | |
but in its day it employed hundreds of people. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
In the 1950s, places like this would be hives of activity. | 0:17:58 | 0:18:02 | |
There would be a great amount of noise, machinery working, | 0:18:02 | 0:18:07 | |
and workers would be in close proximity to the machines | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
and that's how accidents happened. | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
Training was very sparse. | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
The only indication we would have would be the notice of the Factories Act posted on the factory wall | 0:18:17 | 0:18:23 | |
or special regulations with machinery required, | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
but people got on with the job. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:30 | |
They had to take risks in some cases | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
and sometimes these risks resulted in accidents. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
Just five weeks after starting at the factory, | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
James Jackson had an horrific accident. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
He'd climbed an iron ladder to clean lamps in one of the workshops | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
when an overhead crane caught his bucket. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
As I understand the circumstances, he was only recently employed, | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
so he wouldn't be aware of the situation in that factory | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
in the way that perhaps long-term employees would be | 0:19:03 | 0:19:06 | |
so he put himself into a situation where he was at risk, | 0:19:06 | 0:19:10 | |
and that situation obviously developed into a fatal accident. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:14 | |
Terry O'Grady worked at the factory a decade later | 0:19:16 | 0:19:20 | |
when the same cranes were still in operation. | 0:19:20 | 0:19:23 | |
The crane mainly ran on the overheads on the RSJs | 0:19:23 | 0:19:27 | |
and it used to lift the big billets which was quite heavy. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:30 | |
It used to lift them into position. | 0:19:30 | 0:19:32 | |
He was in charge of half a ton of whatever it might be, and he was moving it along himself. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:37 | |
If somebody was kneeling down, you know, | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
you wouldn't necessarily see them. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:42 | |
It didn't happen while I was there, to be honest, but it was a possibility. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:46 | |
Overall, within factories and workshops, | 0:19:46 | 0:19:50 | |
every year it was probably between 600 and 1,000 people killed. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:55 | |
So if you take that over, say, 50 years, | 0:19:55 | 0:19:59 | |
you could fill Wembley Stadium with the number of people | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
that were actually killed in workshops and factories. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
Unseen by the crane driver, James was knocked from his ladder | 0:20:05 | 0:20:10 | |
and crushed to death on the tracks. | 0:20:10 | 0:20:13 | |
The accident sent shockwaves through the factory community | 0:20:13 | 0:20:16 | |
and was still discussed years later. | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
I did hear something once about a chap what was killed well before my time there. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:26 | |
I think it was around the '50s, it was quite a serious accident. | 0:20:26 | 0:20:30 | |
It wasn't mentioned a lot | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
but I did remember some of the older guys mentioning that somebody had been killed on the premises. | 0:20:33 | 0:20:38 | |
Depending on the type of injury that a worker experienced, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:47 | |
he would be compensated. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:49 | |
There were nominal sums appropriate if you lost a leg or an arm or an eye, | 0:20:49 | 0:20:54 | |
there were appropriate sums allocated. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:56 | |
If a workman was killed, | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
then obviously it would be his beneficiaries who would be compensated. | 0:20:59 | 0:21:05 | |
So, for example, his wife would probably be awarded a fairly nominal pension. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:09 | |
Court records showed that Norah was indeed awarded compensation for the death of her husband, | 0:21:10 | 0:21:16 | |
but a rather dated payout practice was in place. | 0:21:16 | 0:21:19 | |
Once I received the case, I did a bit of research of my own | 0:21:19 | 0:21:23 | |
and I discovered that back in the '50s and before, | 0:21:23 | 0:21:27 | |
when money was awarded to a widow in a case typical of this | 0:21:27 | 0:21:32 | |
when we have industrial compensation, | 0:21:32 | 0:21:36 | |
it was deemed that widows were incapable | 0:21:36 | 0:21:40 | |
to look after their own financial affairs | 0:21:40 | 0:21:44 | |
and therefore when an award was made | 0:21:44 | 0:21:46 | |
the money was kept by the court and doled out to the widow as and when she needed it. | 0:21:46 | 0:21:54 | |
At just 44 years old, | 0:21:55 | 0:21:56 | |
Norah found herself in a desperately sad situation. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
There she was, a young widow, no husband, no children, probably no prospects. | 0:22:00 | 0:22:07 | |
Just after the war, when times were pretty tough. | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
So, you know, it's rather sad, really. | 0:22:11 | 0:22:15 | |
Just five years after her husband had died, Norah also passed away. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:21 | |
In the case of the widow's fund, | 0:22:22 | 0:22:25 | |
it's quite possible that the sum of money can be left unclaimed. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:29 | |
If, for instance, the widow dies and there is no obvious route | 0:22:29 | 0:22:34 | |
that the Court Funds Office can trace to a beneficiary. | 0:22:34 | 0:22:37 | |
Norah's compensation sat gaining interest for over 50 years | 0:22:39 | 0:22:43 | |
until it was worth a staggering £55,000. | 0:22:43 | 0:22:47 | |
It would be a huge and unexpected windfall for one long-lost relative. | 0:22:47 | 0:22:52 | |
Heir hunters solve thousands of cases a year, | 0:22:56 | 0:22:59 | |
ensuring that millions of pounds are paid out to the rightful heirs, | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
but not every case can be cracked. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:05 | |
The Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates that have baffled the heir hunters and remain unclaimed. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:12 | |
These estates stay on the list for up to 30 years | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
and each one could be worth anything from £5,000 to many millions. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:21 | |
Today we're focusing on three names from the list. | 0:23:21 | 0:23:24 | |
Are they relatives of yours? | 0:23:24 | 0:23:26 | |
Could you be in line for an unexpected windfall? | 0:23:26 | 0:23:29 | |
Matthew Balogun died on New Year's Eve in 2005. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:36 | |
He lived in Lambeth and was just 59. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
If his heirs aren't found, his money will go to the government. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:44 | |
Or did you know Constance Marjorie Absolon, | 0:23:46 | 0:23:50 | |
who came from Huntingdon in Cambridgeshire? | 0:23:50 | 0:23:53 | |
She died in 2000, aged 91. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
No-one's come forward to claim her estate. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:00 | |
Also on the list is David Beck | 0:24:00 | 0:24:03 | |
who died in Margate on New Year's Day in 2009. | 0:24:03 | 0:24:07 | |
So far, all efforts to trace his relatives have drawn a blank. | 0:24:07 | 0:24:11 | |
If the names Matthew Balogun, Constance Absolon | 0:24:11 | 0:24:14 | |
or David Beck mean anything to you or someone you know, | 0:24:14 | 0:24:17 | |
you could have a fortune coming your way. | 0:24:17 | 0:24:20 | |
In 2008, a team of heir hunters were searching for relatives of Norah Jackson. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:32 | |
The value in her estate came from compensation paid out | 0:24:32 | 0:24:36 | |
after her husband died in a terrible factory accident. | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
After sitting unclaimed for 53 years, | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
this compensation was now worth a staggering £55,000, | 0:24:42 | 0:24:46 | |
but could the rightful heirs be found? | 0:24:46 | 0:24:49 | |
My immediate reaction when seeing the name Norah Jackson | 0:24:49 | 0:24:53 | |
was that it's a common name, we're going to have problems here | 0:24:53 | 0:24:57 | |
because we've got very limited information. | 0:24:57 | 0:25:00 | |
And so... But we can only work with what we're given. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:04 | |
So, our first task is to try and identify her death. | 0:25:04 | 0:25:09 | |
If we can identify when and where she died | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
then that would begin to piece together the jigsaw. | 0:25:12 | 0:25:17 | |
Mike and his team scoured their records | 0:25:19 | 0:25:21 | |
to try and find the right death certificate for Norah Jackson. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
But, with so little information to go on, they drew a blank. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:28 | |
Well, after many weeks of looking for her death | 0:25:28 | 0:25:31 | |
and failing to pinpoint her death record, | 0:25:31 | 0:25:35 | |
I looked again at the information that we were given and... | 0:25:35 | 0:25:42 | |
I was drawn to the little snippet of information | 0:25:42 | 0:25:46 | |
about her next of kin given in her records. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:52 | |
There was a Mrs Kirk | 0:25:53 | 0:25:54 | |
and so I diverted my attention into that direction. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:59 | |
Didn't manage to find Mrs Kirk - she had died - | 0:26:01 | 0:26:04 | |
but I managed to find her daughter | 0:26:04 | 0:26:07 | |
and, as a result of that, I called Mrs Brownhill - | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
as she was, her married name - | 0:26:11 | 0:26:14 | |
and we had a very interesting conversation. | 0:26:14 | 0:26:18 | |
And that is the point I would say was the breakthrough in this case. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:22 | |
It was that conversation with Mrs Kirk's daughter. | 0:26:22 | 0:26:26 | |
The phone call gave Mike two key pieces of information - | 0:26:28 | 0:26:31 | |
that Norah's husband was James and that he'd died in an accident. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
Armed with the information that we'd just got from Mrs Brownhill, | 0:26:35 | 0:26:40 | |
the first thing to do was to find James Jackson's death. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:47 | |
We needed to identify his death and then could build a picture from that. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:51 | |
She only was able to tell us | 0:26:51 | 0:26:53 | |
that he had died at some stage in the early '50s. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:56 | |
We eventually found the correct death record for James Jackson. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:01 | |
Crucially, the death certificate allowed them to find | 0:27:02 | 0:27:05 | |
a record of James and Norah's marriage. | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
We discovered that they married in 1945, in Manchester. | 0:27:08 | 0:27:11 | |
Once we obtained a copy of the marriage certificate, | 0:27:11 | 0:27:14 | |
that not only gave us all HIS details - | 0:27:14 | 0:27:18 | |
his age, his occupation, his father's name and occupation - | 0:27:18 | 0:27:23 | |
but it also gave us Norah Hargreaves, his bride's age | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
and also gave us her father's name. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
And so that meant that we could start looking for her birth certificate. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:37 | |
The team were now making real progress | 0:27:37 | 0:27:39 | |
and, with Norah's birth details, | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
they were able to begin building a family tree. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
We, first of all, eliminated her parents, who had predeceased her, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:51 | |
so then we looked for brothers and sisters | 0:27:51 | 0:27:55 | |
because they would be the next in line. | 0:27:55 | 0:27:57 | |
Because she died, obviously, she died without children. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:00 | |
And we discovered she had three brothers, | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
two of whom had died before her, so they were out of the frame. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
But there was on remaining brother - Arnold - who did survive her. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:12 | |
Norah's money would have gone to her brother Arnold | 0:28:14 | 0:28:17 | |
but as he'd died it went to his wife, Phyllis. | 0:28:17 | 0:28:21 | |
In her will, Phyllis left her estate to her nephew, David. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:25 | |
She bequeaths to her nephew, the residue of her estate | 0:28:25 | 0:28:30 | |
so the money passes from her to her nephew. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:34 | |
He's no blood relation, no connection whatsoever, to Norah Jackson. | 0:28:34 | 0:28:39 | |
David Hopwood lives in North Wales | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
and the news that he was the sole heir to Norah's £55,000 estate | 0:28:42 | 0:28:47 | |
was a real surprise. | 0:28:47 | 0:28:49 | |
Well, a letter came out of the blue, addressed to me. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:53 | |
My wife opened it and told me, "You should read this." | 0:28:53 | 0:28:56 | |
And my first thoughts, at that time, | 0:28:56 | 0:28:58 | |
were that it was some advertising gimmick. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:02 | |
But after speaking to Mike, he realised this was no gimmick. | 0:29:02 | 0:29:05 | |
I didn't know, at this time, who the person was that had left the money. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
I was quite surprised there was anybody left that, | 0:29:09 | 0:29:12 | |
you know, to leave anything. | 0:29:12 | 0:29:13 | |
Since receiving Mike's letter, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
David's gone through family photos hoping to learn more about Norah, | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
the distant relation who left him a five-figure sum. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:24 | |
I've got pictures of her brother, my uncle Arnold, | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
and my mother's sister, Arnold's wife. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:32 | |
I can't get any further than that down that line. | 0:29:34 | 0:29:37 | |
No way of knowing at all. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:41 | |
Just no-one to ask. | 0:29:41 | 0:29:43 | |
Her street, where they lived, the houses have gone | 0:29:43 | 0:29:46 | |
and it's just so long ago I don't think I'll ever know... | 0:29:46 | 0:29:50 | |
what she looked like. | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
The sad case of Norah Jackson has been brought to a successful close | 0:29:52 | 0:29:57 | |
and, for Mike, it's a poignant end to the story. | 0:29:57 | 0:30:00 | |
I feel, kind of... I feel a strange feeling of satisfaction | 0:30:00 | 0:30:05 | |
in having revived the memory of this Norah Jackson | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
who otherwise would have been lost in the mists of time. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:11 | |
In London, heir hunters Fraser & Fraser | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
have been looking into the £25,000 estate of Ivy Hudson, | 0:30:21 | 0:30:24 | |
who died aged 103. | 0:30:24 | 0:30:27 | |
They've learnt that she was adopted by the Telford family in 1901 | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
and this has led them to a possible heir - | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
Ivy's adoptive niece Ann Goodwin. | 0:30:34 | 0:30:36 | |
Our father didn't...ever mention her at all, as far as I can remember, | 0:30:37 | 0:30:42 | |
except to tell me that she was his adopted sister. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
But Ivy was adopted before adoption was made legal. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:51 | |
This means, under current law, | 0:30:51 | 0:30:53 | |
the Treasury doesn't recognise Ivy's adoption | 0:30:53 | 0:30:55 | |
and so Ann will not be allowed to inherit | 0:30:55 | 0:30:58 | |
but the heir hunters are helping her challenge this law. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:01 | |
Thanks. Bye. | 0:31:01 | 0:31:02 | |
They've helped her submit evidence | 0:31:02 | 0:31:04 | |
showing that Ivy's adoption was as formal as was possible in 1901. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:09 | |
If they're successful, | 0:31:09 | 0:31:10 | |
it could change the way heir hunters look at adoption. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:13 | |
Good morning, Mrs Goodwin? Hello, there. | 0:31:14 | 0:31:17 | |
Sorry to trouble you, it's David Slee at Fraser & Fraser, | 0:31:17 | 0:31:20 | |
good morning. | 0:31:20 | 0:31:21 | |
Well, at last I've received a letter back | 0:31:21 | 0:31:24 | |
from the Treasury Solicitors Office | 0:31:24 | 0:31:27 | |
and I think you can tell from the tone of my voice. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
Yeah, I'm REALLY disappointed and I...well... | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
I know, I'll read your out their letter and what I will do, | 0:31:34 | 0:31:36 | |
I'll send you a copy of it as well. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:38 | |
"The evidence that you supplied indicates that the deceased | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
"was fostered by the Telford family | 0:31:41 | 0:31:44 | |
"but no legal adoption can have taken place." | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
The Treasury have stuck to the letter of the law | 0:31:48 | 0:31:51 | |
and deemed that Ivy's adoption cannot be treated as a legal adoption. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:55 | |
I have today, unfortunately, | 0:31:56 | 0:31:59 | |
received a letter from the office of the Treasury solicitors | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
declining our clients claim to a share in this estate | 0:32:02 | 0:32:06 | |
by virtue of the fact that the deceased was not adopted | 0:32:06 | 0:32:12 | |
after legal adoption has come into place on 1st January 1927. | 0:32:12 | 0:32:16 | |
It's a blow for the company | 0:32:16 | 0:32:19 | |
and means Ann won't inherit a share of Ivy's estate | 0:32:19 | 0:32:22 | |
but she's still determined to learn more about the aunt she never knew. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:27 | |
So today, husband Peter's travelled to London on a fact-finding mission. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
'We've always been curious about family history, | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
'we've done a lot of research into it,' | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
and, of course, Ivy was somebody who was a bit peripheral to the family. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:41 | |
We don't know quite where she came from, | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
we don't know quite where she went | 0:32:43 | 0:32:45 | |
and now, suddenly, this has all surfaced so we're... | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
We'd like to know more. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:49 | |
Peter and Ann have already learnt | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
that Ivy married a Robert Bowden when she was 26. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:57 | |
But they've also heard reports | 0:32:57 | 0:32:59 | |
that Robert died in an accident five years later, | 0:32:59 | 0:33:02 | |
leaving Ivy a young widow. | 0:33:02 | 0:33:04 | |
He was a civil servant, they were settled down in East London, | 0:33:06 | 0:33:09 | |
they'd got a home of their own, or appear to have done, | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
and then suddenly he's drowned. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
And you wonder what the circumstances were. | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
So, I'm trying to find out more about that. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
Peter's come to Colindale Library in North London | 0:33:20 | 0:33:24 | |
which holds Britain's largest archive of newspapers. | 0:33:24 | 0:33:27 | |
He's hoping to find reports of Ivy's husband's accident. | 0:33:27 | 0:33:31 | |
For me, this trip is a bit of a challenge, | 0:33:31 | 0:33:34 | |
it's a puzzle to be solved | 0:33:34 | 0:33:36 | |
but, for Ann, it's very much about her family. | 0:33:36 | 0:33:39 | |
And, I think, it's about her roots and knowing who she is | 0:33:39 | 0:33:44 | |
and where she comes from. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
It doesn't take Peter long to find news of the tragedy | 0:33:47 | 0:33:50 | |
that cut Ivy's marriage short. | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
I found stories in two of the newspapers. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:54 | |
This one's from the Sheerness Guardian. | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
"Heard Drowning Men's Cries" - it's a report of the inquest. | 0:33:57 | 0:34:00 | |
It wasn't just Robert, it was a friend of his, | 0:34:00 | 0:34:03 | |
who was actually engaged to his sister. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:05 | |
Peter's research has shown that Robert and his future brother-in-law | 0:34:07 | 0:34:11 | |
had been rowing from the mainland to their yacht, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
which was anchored off the Isle of Sheppey. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
During the crossing, they got into difficulty and drowned. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
The men were missing for five days before their bodies were recovered. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:26 | |
Ivy became a widow at the age of just 32. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:30 | |
But just a few days later, Ann and Peter are given a golden opportunity | 0:34:33 | 0:34:37 | |
to find out all about Ivy. | 0:34:37 | 0:34:39 | |
They've made contact with Ivy's close friend Jacqueline | 0:34:42 | 0:34:45 | |
and are on their way to meet her. | 0:34:45 | 0:34:47 | |
We hope to learn a bit more about what happened in the rest of her life, | 0:34:49 | 0:34:53 | |
when she was pretty well detached from the family. | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
The meeting is also an exciting prospect for Jacqueline, | 0:34:58 | 0:35:01 | |
whose mother was Ivy's best friend. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
'It will be very emotional for me, yes.' | 0:35:04 | 0:35:08 | |
To meet people who got the link with her so far back. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:12 | |
And to be able to, in a way, kind of, close the circle. | 0:35:12 | 0:35:17 | |
-Hello! -Hi. -You must be Anne! I'm Jacquelyn, it's nice to meet you. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:22 | |
-Are you Jackie or Jacquelyn? -Jacquelyn. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:24 | |
Yes, Ivy called me Jackie but I'm actually Jacquelyn. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
-Yes, quite right, yes! -And you're Peter, yes? | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
-That's right, hello. -Nice to meet you. Hi, I'm Jacquelyn. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:31 | |
-Isn't this amazing? -It is! -It is, yes. | 0:35:31 | 0:35:33 | |
For both sides, the meeting is a precious opportunity | 0:35:33 | 0:35:36 | |
to learn more about Ivy's life. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:38 | |
In London, the heir hunters are back at square one | 0:35:42 | 0:35:44 | |
in the search for Ivy's heirs... | 0:35:44 | 0:35:46 | |
There is no marriage and no '01. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
..but Dave Slee's determined to have one last throw of the dice. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
-It's a headache, isn't it? -I can't... Can you think of anything? | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
He's having a final look for records of Ivy's mother, | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
named in the adoption letter as Gertrude Alice Hunt. | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
Unbelievably, we're struggling to find | 0:36:07 | 0:36:11 | |
either the marriage for Ivy's parents... | 0:36:11 | 0:36:16 | |
before and after her birth, we're struggling to find them dying, | 0:36:16 | 0:36:20 | |
there's no record of them on the '01 or the 1911 census. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
I just don't think... Yeah, looking at it from a financial point of view, | 0:36:25 | 0:36:29 | |
from our point of view, | 0:36:29 | 0:36:31 | |
if it warrants us during too much more research, really. | 0:36:31 | 0:36:34 | |
The team really have run out of options... | 0:36:36 | 0:36:38 | |
..so they decide to close the files once more. | 0:36:40 | 0:36:43 | |
But for Pete, Ann and Jacqueline, | 0:36:50 | 0:36:52 | |
the detective work is just beginning. | 0:36:52 | 0:36:54 | |
I, sort of, made up this album of photographs to show you, | 0:36:54 | 0:36:58 | |
kind of, going through. So, that's Ivy, there. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:01 | |
-Oh, this is absolutely amazing! -Yeah! | 0:37:01 | 0:37:04 | |
-Think we've got... -And there she is looking rather saucy, we thought! | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
-Yes! -On her first honeymoon. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:10 | |
I think she did well to break away from the Telford family! | 0:37:10 | 0:37:15 | |
That was her 100th birthday. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
These are all 100th birthday pictures. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:21 | |
You'll see she was on... | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
She spent the afternoon on the London Eye on her 100th birthday. | 0:37:23 | 0:37:27 | |
We took her out for, the group of us, you see us there. | 0:37:27 | 0:37:31 | |
We took her out for lunch. | 0:37:31 | 0:37:33 | |
We took her to the Sovereign of the Seas, of course, | 0:37:33 | 0:37:35 | |
and she had scampi and chips and then we got in a couple of cars | 0:37:35 | 0:37:38 | |
and drove up to London and took her on the London Eye. | 0:37:38 | 0:37:41 | |
And when we got to the very top we all sang Happy Birthday to her | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
and she just had a wonderful day, she loved it. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
I mean, she was game for anything, you know? | 0:37:47 | 0:37:50 | |
As a lifelong friend, | 0:37:50 | 0:37:51 | |
Jacqueline knows a huge amount about Ivy's life. | 0:37:51 | 0:37:55 | |
I've got some things to show you. | 0:37:55 | 0:37:57 | |
This is her Red Cross certificate that she got and this is her... | 0:37:57 | 0:38:03 | |
Of course she was Ivy Bowden then, having married Bob Bowden, | 0:38:03 | 0:38:06 | |
that's her medal that she got. | 0:38:06 | 0:38:09 | |
Ivy received a certificate for her devoted service to the Red Cross | 0:38:11 | 0:38:15 | |
in the Second World War. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:17 | |
During which time she was bombed twice, | 0:38:17 | 0:38:20 | |
injured and lost all her belongings. | 0:38:20 | 0:38:22 | |
The certificate is signed by King George VI and Queen Elizabeth. | 0:38:22 | 0:38:26 | |
I thought you might like to have these. | 0:38:27 | 0:38:30 | |
Oh, no, because you... | 0:38:30 | 0:38:31 | |
Well, I'm really happy for you to have them, | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
because I think it's really nice that they should now be with her... | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
with Ivy's family. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:39 | |
I mean, the Telfords were the only family she knew. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
-They were her only family, yes. -Oh, yes, absolutely, absolutely. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
In return, Ann is able to give Jacqueline a new insight | 0:38:46 | 0:38:49 | |
into the Telford family. | 0:38:49 | 0:38:51 | |
-That's the earliest one, that's my grandfather. -Right, and this is...? | 0:38:51 | 0:38:55 | |
-This is Ivy. -This is Ivy? -Yes. -Oh, wow! Wow. | 0:38:55 | 0:39:01 | |
After coffee, Jacqueline, Ann and Peter head to the Victorian house | 0:39:01 | 0:39:06 | |
where Ivy grew up with the Telfords. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
When Ivy was 95, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:11 | |
she asked Jacqueline to bring her back to the house. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
She hadn't been there since her 18th birthday when she'd run away. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
So, we drove up here and looked at the front of the house | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
and then drove round the side, here, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:23 | |
and Ivy looked up at the back of the house and she said, | 0:39:23 | 0:39:27 | |
"That's the bedroom window from which I watched the Zeppelin crashing, | 0:39:27 | 0:39:31 | |
"in the First World War, in flames." | 0:39:31 | 0:39:33 | |
So, that was an amazing moment, really. | 0:39:33 | 0:39:36 | |
So, from that bedroom window, there. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
What Ivy had seen was the stuff of local legend. | 0:39:38 | 0:39:43 | |
In September 1916, | 0:39:43 | 0:39:45 | |
a German zeppelin was shot down by a British soldier on night patrol. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
It burst into flames, | 0:39:49 | 0:39:51 | |
crashing down in a field near Billericay, in Essex. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
So, I mean, this, for you, is a real pilgrimage, | 0:39:54 | 0:39:57 | |
in that this is where your father grew up, | 0:39:57 | 0:39:58 | |
-where your grandparents lived and everything. -Yes, yes, yes. | 0:39:58 | 0:40:02 | |
We've always been going to come and look at all these houses | 0:40:02 | 0:40:05 | |
but we've never done it, so now we started! | 0:40:05 | 0:40:07 | |
Filling in the jigsaw has been important for both Ivy's relatives | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
and her friend. | 0:40:14 | 0:40:16 | |
It was amazing meeting Ann and Peter today. | 0:40:16 | 0:40:19 | |
I mean, I'd never dreamed that I would ever have any contact | 0:40:19 | 0:40:22 | |
with Ivy's adopted family. | 0:40:22 | 0:40:23 | |
I mean, they were just this remote family that she'd left at 18 | 0:40:23 | 0:40:27 | |
and I expected, you know, the whole story to stay there. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:30 | |
I never thought it was going to come to life again in this amazing way. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
'The whole thing about turning somebody who was just a...' | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
really, just a name, somebody in print, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:42 | |
into a real human being with lasting friendships over so many years. | 0:40:42 | 0:40:48 | |
And...I think that really completed the picture. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:53 | |
We've got used to looking into the past but it's the recent past, | 0:40:53 | 0:40:57 | |
you know, which has been the story today. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
But there's one final twist to this story | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
because what the Heir Hunters were never told by the Treasury | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
was that Ivy had in fact left a will. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
She did leave will, about three years before she died, | 0:41:09 | 0:41:13 | |
and we've sent it off to probate, the solicitors copy, | 0:41:13 | 0:41:16 | |
because we couldn't find the original and they wouldn't accept it | 0:41:16 | 0:41:20 | |
because it wasn't the original, so she was deemed to have died intestate | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
and the estate was administered by the Treasury Solicitor. | 0:41:24 | 0:41:27 | |
Under probate law, only the original will can be accepted. | 0:41:28 | 0:41:33 | |
Without it, the authorities assume the deceased changed their mind. | 0:41:33 | 0:41:36 | |
So with only a copy of Ivy's will, | 0:41:36 | 0:41:38 | |
the estate was put on the Treasury's list of unclaimed estates | 0:41:38 | 0:41:42 | |
but shortly after, the Treasury invited the beneficiaries named by Ivy | 0:41:42 | 0:41:46 | |
to apply for discretionary grants. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
My belief is that the Treasury actually paid out the bequests | 0:41:48 | 0:41:53 | |
exactly as Ivy had asked for them to paid out in that will, | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
which, although they didn't accept, in the end, in fact, they did | 0:41:57 | 0:42:03 | |
because they made those discretionary grants exactly along the lines, | 0:42:03 | 0:42:07 | |
so I understand, that Ivy wanted. | 0:42:07 | 0:42:10 | |
Although these payments were made, | 0:42:10 | 0:42:12 | |
any blood relatives the heir hunters had found | 0:42:12 | 0:42:15 | |
would still have been entitled to a share of the estate. | 0:42:15 | 0:42:18 | |
But Ivy's most valuable legacy was an emotional one. | 0:42:18 | 0:42:22 | |
'It brings all the joy, and the happiness, and the fun back again' | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
and, I mean, thinking of Ivy makes me happy | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
because she was such a happy, lovely person | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
and such an important part of all our lives | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
and so it's been a joyous day because it's been an Ivy day, | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
and all the Ivy days were joyous days. | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
If you would like advice about building your family tree | 0:42:44 | 0:42:48 | |
or making a will go to... | 0:42:48 | 0:42:50 | |
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