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Today the Heir Hunters are racing to track down the heirs from an estate worth £37,000. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:08 | |
Their job now is to beat the competition | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
and be the first to find the long-lost relatives | 0:00:13 | 0:00:16 | |
who have no idea they could be in line for a windfall. | 0:00:16 | 0:00:19 | |
-Could they be knocking at your door? -BUZZER | 0:00:20 | 0:00:22 | |
I like where it's all staying in one area for us. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
It's absolutely all over the place. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:44 | |
On today's programme - | 0:00:44 | 0:00:46 | |
the hunt for one man's descendants | 0:00:46 | 0:00:48 | |
leads the heir hunters on a nationwide search. | 0:00:48 | 0:00:51 | |
We're covering every county in the country, | 0:00:51 | 0:00:53 | |
and that's usually a very bad sign from our point of view. | 0:00:53 | 0:00:56 | |
The heir hunters investigate | 0:00:57 | 0:00:59 | |
the £225,000 estate of Arthur William Jones. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
But in the process, uncover his tragic life story. | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
Though Arthur hadn't died in the Second World War, | 0:01:06 | 0:01:10 | |
his life really had ended as anybody else would have known it. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
And how you could be entitled to unclaimed inheritance, | 0:01:13 | 0:01:17 | |
where heirs need to be found. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
Could you be in line for a cash payout? | 0:01:20 | 0:01:22 | |
Every year in the UK over 300,000 people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
If no relatives are found, | 0:01:38 | 0:01:40 | |
then any money that's left behind will go to the Government. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
And last year they made £14 million from unclaimed estates. | 0:01:43 | 0:01:47 | |
But there are over 30,000 specialist firms competing to stop this happening. | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
They are the heir hunters and they make it their business | 0:01:52 | 0:01:56 | |
to track down missing relatives and help them claim their rightful inheritance. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
The people that we trace are entitled to this money | 0:02:02 | 0:02:04 | |
and we like to try and do all that we can to make sure that they get it. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:07 | |
It's Thursday morning in London, and overnight the Treasury has | 0:02:16 | 0:02:20 | |
advertised a new list of names of unclaimed estates. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:23 | |
But today things are going to be a little different for staff | 0:02:23 | 0:02:27 | |
at heir hunting company Fraser & Fraser. | 0:02:27 | 0:02:29 | |
Yeah, OK. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
Partner Neil is using an alternative list of names that is only | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
published every two or three months. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
So what we're working today are a few cases which are slightly | 0:02:38 | 0:02:41 | |
different than our standard Treasury cases. | 0:02:41 | 0:02:44 | |
They're Duchy of Lancaster cases. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:46 | |
The Duchy of Lancaster is actually the Queen, the Monarch. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
Um, this means that the money | 0:02:50 | 0:02:51 | |
doesn't directly go to the Government, it goes to the Queen. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:54 | |
This actually goes into her own personal coffers. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
The Duchy of Lancaster is one of two Royal Duchies in England. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:01 | |
The other is the Duchy of Cornwall, and these are traditionally | 0:03:01 | 0:03:04 | |
used to provide income for the British monarch. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:06 | |
This revenue comes from the people who die intestate within | 0:03:08 | 0:03:12 | |
certain parts of these districts, where the land is still owned by the Crown. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:15 | |
Another difference from Treasury cases is that Neil knows exactly what an estate's worth. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:23 | |
It's 37,000. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:24 | |
With Duchies, we still get given the value on the cases. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
However, they're generally a lot smaller than the Treasury cases. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:32 | |
So 37,000 is still in our budget to, to work. | 0:03:32 | 0:03:35 | |
What Neil means is that chasing a case of £37,000 is financially viable for the company, | 0:03:36 | 0:03:43 | |
as long as they can turn it around quickly. | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
If they can keep the manpower, timescale and resources used to find David Johnson's heirs to a minimum, | 0:03:46 | 0:03:52 | |
it will mean there's a profit in it for the heir hunters. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
Get in touch with Dave Hadley and send him there. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:58 | |
Wanting a speedy result, | 0:03:58 | 0:04:00 | |
Neil hands the estate over to senior case manager, David Pacifico. | 0:04:00 | 0:04:03 | |
OK, bye. | 0:04:03 | 0:04:06 | |
David has over 40 years experience at heir hunting | 0:04:06 | 0:04:09 | |
and if anyone can turn this case around quickly, it's him. | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
Neil and David share what information they have so far. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
-What was the date? -18.04.56. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
Initial research into the death records has given them | 0:04:21 | 0:04:24 | |
a speculative date of birth for the deceased - | 0:04:24 | 0:04:27 | |
a good starting point for the heir hunters. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:29 | |
I've got a Duchy case out today of a David Johnson. Bye. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:33 | |
David Johnson died aged just 53 on the 25th of January, 2010. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:43 | |
He left no will and no known relatives. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:47 | |
He died alone in his Manchester flat | 0:04:47 | 0:04:49 | |
and was discovered by friends who alerted the police. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
It was a sad end for a man renowned for his sense of humour | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
and love of life. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:59 | |
His friend David Fisher remembers a vibrant character | 0:04:59 | 0:05:02 | |
who he first befriended over a crossword puzzle down the pub. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:06 | |
The first time I met him, 28 years ago. And he was happy, outgoing. | 0:05:07 | 0:05:13 | |
Loved his cigarettes, loved his beer. All the time, happy. | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
We had great laughs together. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:20 | |
In the week, David Johnson was a biochemist. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
But on the weekends, | 0:05:23 | 0:05:24 | |
his greatest pleasure was walking in the great outdoors. | 0:05:24 | 0:05:28 | |
David and his friends ventured from the Yorkshire Moors to the Lake District, | 0:05:28 | 0:05:33 | |
looking for good walks and good pubs. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:35 | |
But at the end of 2009, David Johnson | 0:05:35 | 0:05:38 | |
dropped off his friend's radar and stopped visiting his old haunts. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:42 | |
Towards the end of David's life... | 0:05:44 | 0:05:48 | |
he became almost invisible. | 0:05:48 | 0:05:52 | |
You couldn't see him. | 0:05:52 | 0:05:53 | |
He disappeared, as though he'd moved to another part of the town. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
But he hadn't. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:01 | |
He was actually suffering from an undiagnosed cancer and started avoiding his friends. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:05 | |
It was only by chance that David Fisher saw him in hospital. | 0:06:06 | 0:06:11 | |
But it was obvious his old friend didn't want to talk. | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
I think he'd pretended he hadn't seen me, yeah. | 0:06:15 | 0:06:18 | |
Which was a bit sad, really because, you know, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
we weren't distant friends or anything. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:23 | |
We were pretty close at the time. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
So maybe he was just a bit frightened of expressing himself. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:32 | |
When David Johnson finally sought medical help for his cancer, | 0:06:32 | 0:06:36 | |
he was told it was terminal. | 0:06:36 | 0:06:38 | |
And just two weeks later he died. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:41 | |
The day in the hospital was the last time I saw him alive. | 0:06:41 | 0:06:44 | |
I never got to say any goodbyes, | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
you know, or try and cheer him up a bit, | 0:06:46 | 0:06:48 | |
take him on a bit of a camping holiday. | 0:06:48 | 0:06:52 | |
You know, he sort of retired into himself. He wouldn't go anywhere. | 0:06:52 | 0:06:58 | |
David Johnson left behind friends who miss him. | 0:06:58 | 0:07:02 | |
But for the heir hunters, it's about whether he left any family as well. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
What's the time now? | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
David Pacifico is already on the hunt for David's heirs. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
The team's initial research into the death register suggest that | 0:07:19 | 0:07:23 | |
even although the deceased passed away in Manchester, | 0:07:23 | 0:07:27 | |
there was a David Johnson born in April, 1956, in London that could be their man. | 0:07:27 | 0:07:32 | |
Can I get Jo to go to Islington Registry Office? | 0:07:32 | 0:07:36 | |
David Johnson's birth certificate is crucial to the hunt. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
On it will be his parents' names - a must-have when tracking down heirs. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
David Pacifico puts in a call to researcher Jo who is | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
out on the streets of London, ready to visit any register office | 0:07:48 | 0:07:52 | |
the team needs her to. | 0:07:52 | 0:07:53 | |
Could you go to Islington Registry Office and pick up the birth, | 0:07:53 | 0:07:56 | |
hopefully, on one of them? | 0:07:56 | 0:07:57 | |
At this early stage, all the team's research is speculative, | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
including the deceased's date of birth. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
Well, hopefully born on the 18th of April. | 0:08:05 | 0:08:07 | |
And if that's the case, we'd also have the parents names. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
But we need that birth. | 0:08:10 | 0:08:12 | |
From the team's initial research, | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
they think David's parents could be an Alan Johnson and an Edna Daniels, | 0:08:17 | 0:08:22 | |
although they won't know this for sure | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
until they get their hands on his birth certificate. | 0:08:24 | 0:08:27 | |
But because David died relatively young, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:29 | |
there is a possibility his parents outlived him. | 0:08:29 | 0:08:32 | |
Roger is hard at work. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:33 | |
Well, hopefully, we've got the right David Johnson birth, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
and if we have, I'm just seeing | 0:08:38 | 0:08:39 | |
if the parents are still alive as he's not that old a person. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:44 | |
So...I'll have a look around and see if there's any... | 0:08:44 | 0:08:48 | |
any Ednas and Alans still together. | 0:08:48 | 0:08:50 | |
Roger finds a potential marriage for David's parents, | 0:08:50 | 0:08:54 | |
but despite this, it's all still a bit confusing. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:58 | |
He was born in, er, London. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
His potential parents are also married in London, | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
but he died in Manchester. | 0:09:04 | 0:09:06 | |
So he might have gone on his own, or they might have all gone, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
so it's still a stab in the dark at the moment. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
But case manager David Pacifico knows you have to speculate to accumulate, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:16 | |
and his team have found a potential last address for the deceased. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:21 | |
If it's correct then they may have tracked down a neighbour who knew David Johnson. | 0:09:21 | 0:09:26 | |
We're trying to trace the next of kin of a David Johnson. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
At this stage, | 0:09:30 | 0:09:31 | |
any additional information will be welcomed by the heir hunters. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:34 | |
All right. Thank you. Bye-bye. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
The phone call fills in details, | 0:09:37 | 0:09:40 | |
but details that don't help David Pacifico in his hunt for heirs. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
Well, we've got the right address for the deceased, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:46 | |
but I believe he'd only been living there for a few years | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
and she had absolutely no knowledge where he came from, any family or anything like that. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:54 | |
Everything is still up in the air. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:58 | |
Are David Johnson's parents still alive? | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
And even if they are, is the team even chasing the right family? | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
All they can do is speculate and plan for every eventuality. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:09 | |
-How are we doing, Roger? -We're trying to track down the parents, yeah. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:12 | |
-What about siblings? -Doesn't look like there are any. | 0:10:12 | 0:10:14 | |
I think that if Jo picks up the birth, just obviously, you know, do it one bit at a time. | 0:10:14 | 0:10:19 | |
-Yeah. -Can you hold the door for me, sir, while you're there? | 0:10:19 | 0:10:22 | |
Fortunately, across the office, researcher Gareth is making headway. | 0:10:22 | 0:10:26 | |
Even though again, it's headway of a speculative nature. | 0:10:26 | 0:10:30 | |
Very speccy cos we haven't got any certificates. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
We don't even know if the parents we've got of the deceased are correct, | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
but if it is, there's a Ronald born in 1931. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:40 | |
Um, having trouble finding a marriage for him. So, again, speccy. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:46 | |
I've possibly got his son, | 0:10:46 | 0:10:47 | |
so that would be a potential cousin of the deceased. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:51 | |
Er, trying to track him down now. His name's Ian Ronald Daniels. | 0:10:51 | 0:10:55 | |
To kick-start this hunt, the team are investigating the maternal line. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:01 | |
Using David's mother's maiden name of Daniels, Gareth has | 0:11:01 | 0:11:04 | |
potentially found Edna's birth in Sheffield. | 0:11:04 | 0:11:08 | |
If this is correct, it would make her parents | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
a Frederick Daniels and Agnes Brown. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:14 | |
He then searched for other children from their marriage | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
and has come up with a brother Ronald who has passed away | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
but left living children. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
Gareth passes on his tentative lead. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:24 | |
He has two children - Stephen and Ian Ronald Daniels. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:30 | |
Born in Sheffield? | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
-I think. -Epping? | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
Despite this promising lead, | 0:11:37 | 0:11:39 | |
the team's hunt is still far from finished. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
All the research into David's cousins could prove useless | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
if they discover his parents are still alive, | 0:11:44 | 0:11:46 | |
as they would be the rightful heirs to his estate. | 0:11:46 | 0:11:51 | |
To add to their worries, the speculative family tree | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
Gareth's putting together is all over the place. | 0:11:53 | 0:11:58 | |
We've got a deceased who died in Manchester, born in Islington, | 0:11:58 | 0:12:01 | |
potential parents Wood Green, which is fine, goes with the birth, | 0:12:01 | 0:12:05 | |
and then the mother potentially born in Yorkshire. | 0:12:05 | 0:12:08 | |
So, we're gradually covering the entire country. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:11 | |
Now, if my Ronald marriage is right, which is a long stretch, really, | 0:12:12 | 0:12:16 | |
then he married in Hertfordshire and his children are in Essex. | 0:12:16 | 0:12:20 | |
So, we're gradually covering every county in the country. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
It's frustrating stuff | 0:12:23 | 0:12:25 | |
when you're working on a case you know is worth £37,000. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:28 | |
And Gareth isn't the only one feeling it. | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
I'm losing the will to live here. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
There it is, see, Rhodri had it. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:36 | |
David now has a phone number for the potential cousin of the deceased. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:42 | |
But he's in for yet more frustration. | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
Unobtainable. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:46 | |
The phone number doesn't work. David is back to | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
waiting on the birth certificate | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
for confirmation that they are chasing the right family. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
Researcher Joe has ordered the certificate | 0:12:56 | 0:12:58 | |
from Islington Register Office, but has to wait until they've found it. | 0:12:58 | 0:13:02 | |
How are you getting on with that birth, any...? | 0:13:02 | 0:13:05 | |
Right, on the basis that it's right, | 0:13:08 | 0:13:10 | |
we think the parents may have got married in Wood Green, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:15 | |
which is Haringey. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
Would you mind possibly going over there afterwards? | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
Until David Pacifico can confirm his family tree and the cousins | 0:13:19 | 0:13:23 | |
they've found, he has frustratingly little | 0:13:23 | 0:13:26 | |
for his travelling heir hunter to do. | 0:13:26 | 0:13:28 | |
Bob Barratt is one of the company's squadron of senior researchers | 0:13:34 | 0:13:38 | |
who are willing to go | 0:13:38 | 0:13:39 | |
wherever a case takes them in the hunt for heirs. | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
Their goal is to meet face to face with long-lost relatives | 0:13:43 | 0:13:46 | |
and hopefully get them to sign up with the company. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:49 | |
But for the time being, Bob will have to wait like everyone else | 0:13:50 | 0:13:53 | |
for David Johnson's birth certificate. | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
It's crucial for confirming that | 0:13:57 | 0:13:59 | |
the basic details for this case are correct, | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
and not leading the heir hunters on a wild goose chase. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
And, birth certificate aside, the team still doesn't know for certain | 0:14:05 | 0:14:09 | |
what's become of the deceased's parents. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:12 | |
If we get that second Christian name, we might be able to do a bit more, | 0:14:12 | 0:14:15 | |
but we are worried that she's still alive. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:18 | |
Born 1924, so she could be in a home. | 0:14:18 | 0:14:19 | |
Yet again, it's more guesswork, and until the team start getting | 0:14:19 | 0:14:24 | |
some firm answers on this case, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
all their initial research could be in vain. | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
Later in the programme, the team may have found David's cousins, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:36 | |
but they still haven't found his mother. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:38 | |
My own feeling is that I think she could be alive. | 0:14:39 | 0:14:42 | |
Heir hunting companies don't always source unclaimed estates | 0:14:47 | 0:14:51 | |
from the Treasury or the two royal duchies. Sometimes, they will be approached by solicitors | 0:14:51 | 0:14:56 | |
acting on behalf of a deceased client. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:58 | |
But no matter where a case comes from, | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
the heir hunters' role is the same - to track down long-lost relatives | 0:15:03 | 0:15:06 | |
and inform them of their rightful inheritance. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:09 | |
Arthur William Jones died in January 2011 in a nursing home in Cardiff. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:18 | |
Arthur was 90 years old when he passed away, | 0:15:18 | 0:15:20 | |
and with no known relatives and no known will, | 0:15:20 | 0:15:24 | |
his mammoth £225,000 estate went unclaimed. | 0:15:24 | 0:15:28 | |
Arthur had been in College Fields Nursing Home for eight years, | 0:15:29 | 0:15:32 | |
and matron Rachel Kemp thought of him as one of the family. | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
Arthur, he was a gregarious sort of chap once you got him going! | 0:15:40 | 0:15:43 | |
And he loves singing songs that would have been war songs. | 0:15:43 | 0:15:48 | |
Daisy, Daisy was one of his favourites, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:51 | |
so if you wanted to get Arthur wound up, | 0:15:51 | 0:15:53 | |
if you started singing Daisy, Daisy, he would start singing with you. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:56 | |
But Arthur was unfortunately very ill. | 0:15:57 | 0:16:01 | |
Before College Fields, he'd been in a mental hospital since 1979... | 0:16:01 | 0:16:05 | |
..and had been diagnosed with schizophrenia and dementia. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
Other than this, most of his past was a complete mystery to Rachel | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
-and the other staff. -We knew nothing of Arthur's background, | 0:16:14 | 0:16:18 | |
only that he'd been a long, long-stay patient in Whitchurch Hospital | 0:16:18 | 0:16:22 | |
and that he'd been wounded in World War II. | 0:16:22 | 0:16:25 | |
That was the sum total of Arthur's history as far as we were concerned. | 0:16:25 | 0:16:29 | |
After his death, | 0:16:30 | 0:16:32 | |
Rachel and a solicitor appointed to Arthur's estate tried in vain | 0:16:32 | 0:16:35 | |
to trace any family he may have had. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:37 | |
Hitting a dead end, the solicitor decided to contact | 0:16:39 | 0:16:42 | |
heir-hunting company Fraser & Fraser to see | 0:16:42 | 0:16:44 | |
if they'd have more luck finding the heirs | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
to Arthur's sizeable £225,000 estate. | 0:16:48 | 0:16:51 | |
It's almost certainly going to be in Cardiff, isn't it? | 0:16:51 | 0:16:54 | |
Bob Smith is one of the company's case managers, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:57 | |
and the job of finding Arthur's heirs fell on his desk. | 0:16:57 | 0:17:00 | |
Obviously, the deceased had died without making a will, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
and there were no family members, apparently, | 0:17:05 | 0:17:07 | |
that were in contact with him, | 0:17:07 | 0:17:08 | |
certainly no family members that visited him | 0:17:08 | 0:17:11 | |
-in the nursing home when he died. -In the first instance, | 0:17:11 | 0:17:15 | |
Bob wasn't too happy about working a name like Arthur William Jones. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:20 | |
Jones is one of the most common surnames in Wales, | 0:17:21 | 0:17:24 | |
and solving cases with this name are notoriously difficult | 0:17:24 | 0:17:28 | |
for the heir hunters. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:29 | |
But Bob was given a head start. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:33 | |
Amongst the papers given to us by the solicitors was a copy of our deceased's birth certificate. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:39 | |
That obviously has his parents' names on it. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:43 | |
From there, we were able to identify their marriage in 1906. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:46 | |
Arthur's parents were George Jones and Laura Maud Rich. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:51 | |
Bob's next task was to identify | 0:17:51 | 0:17:53 | |
whether they had any children apart from Arthur. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:55 | |
Using the details gathered from the marriage certificate, | 0:17:55 | 0:18:00 | |
he trawled the birth records and struck gold. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
There were eight children. | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
So, Arthur had in fact had four brothers and three sisters. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
Bob's problem was they were all called Jones, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
and all born in Wales, but luck was on his side again. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
Amongst the deceased's papers were mention of three family members. | 0:18:19 | 0:18:24 | |
These were the initials and surnames of a suspected brother, | 0:18:24 | 0:18:27 | |
niece and nephew. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:29 | |
From the paperwork, Bob discovered the name J Jones matched up | 0:18:30 | 0:18:34 | |
to Arthur's brother on the 1911 Census records. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:38 | |
Now the team worked the niece's initials and surname. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:44 | |
By using the birth and marriage records, | 0:18:44 | 0:18:46 | |
they found who could be J Jones' daughter, | 0:18:46 | 0:18:48 | |
and therefore, Arthur's niece. | 0:18:48 | 0:18:51 | |
But it was a long shot. | 0:18:52 | 0:18:53 | |
On a hunch, we then located that lady, | 0:18:56 | 0:18:59 | |
and she did in fact turn out to be | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
the niece who was named in the deceased's papers. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
Bob had found his first heir, | 0:19:05 | 0:19:08 | |
and she was able to tell him crucial information about the family. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:11 | |
And having interviewed her, | 0:19:13 | 0:19:16 | |
we confirmed that two of those children died in infancy, | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
so that left five siblings to our deceased | 0:19:19 | 0:19:21 | |
where there were possible descendents. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:23 | |
Arthur was from a military family, | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
and when the Second World War broke out in 1939, | 0:19:28 | 0:19:32 | |
both he and his brothers were at a prime age | 0:19:32 | 0:19:34 | |
for conscription into the Army. | 0:19:34 | 0:19:36 | |
But according to the niece Bob had found, | 0:19:39 | 0:19:42 | |
Arthur returned from the war a shell-shocked and broken man, | 0:19:42 | 0:19:45 | |
an affliction that was still haunting him into his 80s. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:48 | |
His trauma from the war was witnessed first hand | 0:19:48 | 0:19:51 | |
by his nursing home's matron Rachel Kemp. | 0:19:51 | 0:19:54 | |
Initially on coming in to us, Arthur was obviously a gentleman | 0:19:54 | 0:19:59 | |
who was quite disturbed, and would be able to have | 0:19:59 | 0:20:02 | |
a normal or semi-normal conversation with you | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
and then would get very distressed. | 0:20:05 | 0:20:07 | |
Would shout out about being in the trenches, | 0:20:08 | 0:20:11 | |
about Hitler was coming, things like that. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
Over 50 years later, | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
and Arthur's experiences of war were still haunting him. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:20 | |
After his death, matron Rachel tried her hardest to piece together | 0:20:20 | 0:20:24 | |
the tragic story of his adult life | 0:20:24 | 0:20:25 | |
and what led him to College Fields Nursing Home. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
We found out the fact that he was wounded at 24. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:35 | |
And although Arthur hadn't died in the Second World War, | 0:20:36 | 0:20:39 | |
his life really had ended as anybody else would have known it, | 0:20:39 | 0:20:43 | |
because he became homeless, he became isolated from his family. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:50 | |
Ended up in a mental hospital. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:51 | |
So, life had had major repercussions for Arthur | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
because he'd been a soldier. | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
So, what had happened to Arthur during his war years | 0:20:58 | 0:21:01 | |
that was so traumatic, it stayed with him for the rest of his life? | 0:21:01 | 0:21:04 | |
For heir hunter Bob Smith, this question would have to wait. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:10 | |
His aim now was to track down the children of Arthur's other siblings, | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
as they would also be the heirs to Arthur's £225,000 estate. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:21 | |
Later in the programme, the family Arthur had lost touch with remember | 0:21:25 | 0:21:29 | |
just how traumatised their late uncle was by the war. | 0:21:29 | 0:21:33 | |
He would want us all to get under the table and hide | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
and get very distressed if we didn't. | 0:21:38 | 0:21:42 | |
Heir hunters solve thousands of cases a year, | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
and millions of pounds are paid out to rightful heirs. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:54 | |
But not every case can be cracked. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:56 | |
The Treasury has a list of over 2,000 estates that have baffled heir hunters and remain unsolved. | 0:21:56 | 0:22:02 | |
Could you be the heir they've been searching for? | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
Could you be in line for a windfall worth hundreds, | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
thousands or even millions of pounds? | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
Estates stay on the list for up to 30 years, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
and today we're focussing on three names. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
Are they relatives of yours? | 0:22:18 | 0:22:20 | |
Margaret Grant-Paxton died in East Sussex in September 1996. | 0:22:20 | 0:22:26 | |
She passed away in the Eastbourne District General Hospital. | 0:22:26 | 0:22:29 | |
Does her distinctive double-barrelled name mean | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
anything to you? | 0:22:32 | 0:22:33 | |
Or did you know Herbert Fallows Worsnop? | 0:22:36 | 0:22:39 | |
He died in March 2001 in Hampshire. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
He may have passed away in the south of England, | 0:22:43 | 0:22:46 | |
but the vast majority of Worsnops live in and around Yorkshire. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:49 | |
If no heirs are found to his estate, the money will go to the Government. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
Or finally, Mabel Presence, | 0:22:56 | 0:22:57 | |
who died in Camberwell Green in London back in 1994. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:02 | |
Are you Mabel's heir? Her surname is extremely rare in the UK. | 0:23:02 | 0:23:06 | |
If the names Margaret Grant-Paxton, Herbert Fallows Worsnop | 0:23:09 | 0:23:12 | |
or Mabel Presence mean anything to you, | 0:23:12 | 0:23:15 | |
then you could have a windfall on its way. | 0:23:15 | 0:23:17 | |
David Johnson died aged 53 in January 2010. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:27 | |
He passed away alone in his Manchester flat | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
and left no will and had no known relatives. | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
David had been diagnosed with terminal cancer, | 0:23:33 | 0:23:36 | |
and died just two weeks later. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:38 | |
He'd been ill for a while, but had kept it to himself, | 0:23:38 | 0:23:41 | |
and was loath to seek help. | 0:23:41 | 0:23:43 | |
He never actually went to a doctor's, and in that case, | 0:23:45 | 0:23:49 | |
when he did go to the doctor, it was a bit too late for the poor man. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:54 | |
And sadly, he passed away very quickly after that. | 0:23:56 | 0:23:59 | |
It was an unceremonious death for a man who loved life. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
At the local pub where the two friends met regularly, | 0:24:03 | 0:24:06 | |
David was renowned for his dry humour and quick mind. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:10 | |
Everyone would be talking and he'd just say something off the cuff | 0:24:10 | 0:24:15 | |
and it'd throw everybody into turmoil then. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
We'd all be laughing and joking. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
He was a very bright, intelligent person. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
In London, the heir hunters are working | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
David Johnson's £37,000 estate. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:33 | |
Because David died in Manchester, his name has been released | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
on the Duchy of Lancaster's list, not the Treasury's. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
Unclaimed estates from areas of land owned by the monarchy | 0:24:44 | 0:24:47 | |
in the district of Lancaster go to the Crown, not the Government. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
But the way the company tracks down heirs is exactly the same. | 0:24:51 | 0:24:54 | |
I've got a Duchy case out today of a David Johnson. Bye. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
-Senior case manager David Pacifico and his team... -Hello. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
..are having a nightmare trying to confirm | 0:25:05 | 0:25:07 | |
even the most basic of David's personal details. | 0:25:07 | 0:25:11 | |
Why is nothing working today? | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
With no birth certificate yet for the deceased, | 0:25:15 | 0:25:18 | |
they're using a family tree based on an educated hunch. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
So far, using the maternal line, they've managed to trace | 0:25:23 | 0:25:26 | |
but not yet contact two cousins in Essex who will be heirs | 0:25:26 | 0:25:30 | |
if the team can prove David's parents have passed away. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:33 | |
Not an easy task. | 0:25:34 | 0:25:35 | |
Born 1924, so she could be in a home. | 0:25:36 | 0:25:40 | |
But across the office, things have taken a positive turn. | 0:25:40 | 0:25:44 | |
Researcher Gareth thinks he's found a phone number for David Johnson's mother's brother's widow. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:49 | |
Got your tree? | 0:25:49 | 0:25:50 | |
Bit of a mouthful, but it's music to David Pacifico's ears. | 0:25:50 | 0:25:53 | |
We're trying to trace a particular family of the name of Daniels. | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
Now, would I be right in saying that you were married to a Ronald Daniels? | 0:25:59 | 0:26:03 | |
And did Ronald have a sister Edna? | 0:26:04 | 0:26:06 | |
Do you know whether or not she's still alive | 0:26:08 | 0:26:11 | |
or anything at all about her family at all? | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
Finally, even without David's birth certificate, | 0:26:13 | 0:26:17 | |
the team has confirmation | 0:26:17 | 0:26:19 | |
they've been chasing the right family all along | 0:26:19 | 0:26:21 | |
and their initial guesswork was spot on. | 0:26:21 | 0:26:25 | |
David Pacifico gets as many details as he can from the ex-sister-in-law. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
-Bye-bye. -But there's one answer she can only guess at. | 0:26:31 | 0:26:35 | |
She thinks that Edna herself may have passed away, | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
but she's not certain about it. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
Until they confirm whether David Johnson's parents are alive or dead, | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
the heir hunt is still up in the air. | 0:26:45 | 0:26:47 | |
David brings Gareth up to speed. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:49 | |
Basically, this is all correct. Yeah. Ronald was one of two children. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:56 | |
Edna was married to Alan Johnson. They only had one child, David. | 0:26:56 | 0:27:01 | |
She says that Edna went into a home, thinks she may have died, | 0:27:02 | 0:27:06 | |
but she's obviously not certain. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:07 | |
So, we still could be talking about a mother. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
But the question is who deals with her affairs, if that's the case. | 0:27:10 | 0:27:13 | |
All right. OK, bye. | 0:27:14 | 0:27:16 | |
Downstairs, the team double their efforts to find a death certificate | 0:27:17 | 0:27:22 | |
for Edna Johnson. Upstairs, David has his own thoughts about it. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
-My own feeling is that I think she could be alive. -Only time will tell. | 0:27:27 | 0:27:31 | |
So, while he waits for confirmation on Edna's predicament, | 0:27:33 | 0:27:36 | |
David uses a phone number given to him by the sister-in-law | 0:27:36 | 0:27:39 | |
and puts in a call to a cousin of the deceased. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:42 | |
We're looking into an estate of somebody | 0:27:43 | 0:27:46 | |
that has recently passed away - | 0:27:46 | 0:27:47 | |
in this case we're talking about her son. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:49 | |
Yeah. Your cousin, in other words. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:54 | |
The cousin may be a potential heir, but that will only be known | 0:27:54 | 0:27:58 | |
if he can shed some light on what's happened to Edna. | 0:27:58 | 0:28:00 | |
OK, thank you, bye-bye. Bye. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:04 | |
Unfortunately, the cousin is still just a potential heir, | 0:28:04 | 0:28:08 | |
as he can't give David any definitive answers on Edna. | 0:28:08 | 0:28:12 | |
But there are other snippets of information he's provided | 0:28:12 | 0:28:14 | |
that will help the hunt. | 0:28:14 | 0:28:16 | |
That was the cousin. He knew that David was last known to be up north. | 0:28:16 | 0:28:19 | |
He thought Manchester or Newcastle, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:21 | |
but thought it might have been Manchester, which is right. | 0:28:21 | 0:28:24 | |
His mother lived in Blackpool, and his father was also Blackpool. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
His father's definitely dead. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
He knows that Edna went into a home, | 0:28:32 | 0:28:34 | |
so with Blackpool, I will hopefully ask them to see if they can check | 0:28:34 | 0:28:38 | |
to find out if we have got any possibilities of deaths in Blackpool. | 0:28:38 | 0:28:43 | |
That now cuts it down an awful lot. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:45 | |
If there's no death, that means that she's possibly still alive. | 0:28:45 | 0:28:48 | |
The location of Blackpool could be the key that unlocks this case. | 0:28:49 | 0:28:54 | |
David heads downstairs to pass on his latest lead about Edna | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
and her late husband Alan. | 0:28:57 | 0:28:59 | |
Gareth, can you see if you can identify | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
a death of Alan Johnson in Blackpool 22 to 25 years ago? | 0:29:01 | 0:29:06 | |
But Edna was also Blackpool. | 0:29:06 | 0:29:07 | |
Can we pick her up on any electoral roll or death? | 0:29:08 | 0:29:11 | |
This new information allows the heir hunters | 0:29:13 | 0:29:15 | |
to significantly narrow their search. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
Gareth gets stuck into researching the records in Blackpool | 0:29:19 | 0:29:23 | |
and strikes gold. | 0:29:23 | 0:29:24 | |
-Edna, otherwise Edna Laetitia... -Oh, it's right? | 0:29:25 | 0:29:29 | |
..dies on 8th May 1997. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:31 | |
Excellent. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:32 | |
So, if that's correct, as it looks good, | 0:29:32 | 0:29:36 | |
we'll then be back to this cousin again. | 0:29:36 | 0:29:38 | |
The cousins look like they're going to be entitled. | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
So, one side of the family is known, but of course, | 0:29:40 | 0:29:44 | |
we then have to look at the Johnson side, | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
because the father may well have had brothers and sisters | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
and, subsequently, children. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:50 | |
They may have had children, | 0:29:50 | 0:29:52 | |
so there is unknown possible other beneficiaries on this. | 0:29:52 | 0:29:56 | |
Gareth switches his attention to | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
David Johnson's father's family tree. | 0:30:00 | 0:30:03 | |
And now David Pacifico knows for sure that | 0:30:03 | 0:30:05 | |
the deceased's two cousins are heirs, | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
he puts in a call to travelling heir hunter Bob Barratt, | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
who has been on stand-by all morning. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:12 | |
He lets him know he potentially has a meeting for him in Essex. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:18 | |
Bye. | 0:30:20 | 0:30:21 | |
Bob Barratt is available, traveller, | 0:30:25 | 0:30:27 | |
so I know I've got somebody that can go. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
Happy things are finally falling into place, | 0:30:31 | 0:30:33 | |
David lets the rest of the office know the good news. | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
We're up to date on one of the Duchy cases. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
But things are never that easy. | 0:30:39 | 0:30:41 | |
It turns out the two cousins are willing to meet Bob, | 0:30:42 | 0:30:45 | |
but it can't be today. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:46 | |
David hurriedly organises a meeting for the following day. | 0:30:48 | 0:30:52 | |
The good news is that neither cousin has been contacted by | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
any competing heir-hunting companies. | 0:30:56 | 0:30:58 | |
David Pacifico hopes it stays that way. | 0:30:58 | 0:31:00 | |
I haven't come across any competition yet, | 0:31:01 | 0:31:03 | |
but that doesn't mean to say it may not come. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:06 | |
It's day two of the hunt. | 0:31:10 | 0:31:12 | |
In the office, the team are still trying to work out | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
if the paternal side of David's family will produce any heirs. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
Meanwhile, a travelling heir hunter has made it to the meeting | 0:31:20 | 0:31:23 | |
with David's two cousins. | 0:31:23 | 0:31:25 | |
At the moment, they are the only two heirs on David's mother's side | 0:31:25 | 0:31:29 | |
to his £37,000 estate. | 0:31:29 | 0:31:31 | |
Bob Barratt is now tied up on other cases, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
so David Pacifico has drafted in Dave Hadley. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
-Hello there, Mr Daniels? -Yeah. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:42 | |
Hi, Dave Hadley from Fraser & Fraser. | 0:31:42 | 0:31:44 | |
First on the agenda is cross-checking with the heirs | 0:31:44 | 0:31:48 | |
the information the office has passed on to him. | 0:31:48 | 0:31:50 | |
-And where was that? Was it in Blackpool? -That was in Blackpool. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:53 | |
For the cousins, the news of David's death has come as quite a shock, | 0:31:55 | 0:31:58 | |
knowing he was only in his early 50s. | 0:31:58 | 0:32:01 | |
Didn't even know David was ill, how he died. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
Don't know, but we can find that out. | 0:32:04 | 0:32:06 | |
Both cousins are happy to sign with the heir hunters. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:12 | |
This means the company can help them | 0:32:12 | 0:32:13 | |
in making a claim to the Duchy of Lancaster, | 0:32:13 | 0:32:15 | |
and are then entitled to commission on the cousins' share of the estate. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:19 | |
We hadn't talked in 20 years, | 0:32:21 | 0:32:22 | |
it's a bit of a surprise to get a phone call out of nowhere. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:26 | |
Despite not having spoken for decades, | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
there was no big family bust-up or arguments. | 0:32:30 | 0:32:32 | |
The cousins speculate it was more geographic than anything. | 0:32:32 | 0:32:36 | |
We had different lifestyles, totally. | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
He liked living in Manchester, we like living in the south. | 0:32:41 | 0:32:45 | |
The two cousins, Stephen and Ian, | 0:32:45 | 0:32:48 | |
will now be entitled to a proportion of David's £37,000 estate. | 0:32:48 | 0:32:53 | |
But it's an estate they will now share. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:55 | |
In the weeks following the initial hunt, | 0:32:55 | 0:32:58 | |
David Pacifico and his team traced an aunt on the paternal side. | 0:32:58 | 0:33:02 | |
She's in her 90s and is the final heir to inherit on this case. | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
David Johnson may have lost contact with his family | 0:33:09 | 0:33:12 | |
in the decades before his death, | 0:33:12 | 0:33:15 | |
but the friends he left behind can give them some idea | 0:33:15 | 0:33:18 | |
as to the type of man he'd become. | 0:33:18 | 0:33:20 | |
We'd all be laughing and joking, | 0:33:21 | 0:33:23 | |
David would come out with some real crackers, Dave would. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
He'd get everyone laughing within a few minutes. | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
Everyone looked up to him, he was a dead decent chap. | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
Arthur William Jones died in a Cardiff nursing home aged 90. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:47 | |
He left no will | 0:33:47 | 0:33:48 | |
and no known relatives to inherit his £225,000 estate. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:53 | |
Most of his past life was a mystery to those who cared for him | 0:33:54 | 0:33:57 | |
in his final years. | 0:33:57 | 0:33:59 | |
We knew nothing of Arthur's background, | 0:33:59 | 0:34:01 | |
only that he'd been a long, long-stay patient in Whitchurch Hospital. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:04 | |
And that his experiences in the Second World War | 0:34:06 | 0:34:09 | |
had traumatised him for life. | 0:34:09 | 0:34:11 | |
He would get very distressed at times and would should out | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
about being in the trenches, about Hitler was coming, things like that. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:20 | |
The job of finding Arthur's heirs fell to | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
probate researcher Bob Smith. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:28 | |
Hunting heirs to an Arthur William Jones born in Wales is a tall order, | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
as Jones is one of the most common Welsh surnames. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:38 | |
Despite this, Bob discovered Arthur had had seven siblings, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
five of which had survived into adulthood. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:46 | |
Using paperwork that came with the estate, | 0:34:48 | 0:34:50 | |
Bob found his first heir, a niece of Arthur's, | 0:34:50 | 0:34:54 | |
and her family knowledge helped him move his hunt forward. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:57 | |
It is almost certainly going to be in Cardiff, isn't it? | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
Using Arthur's mother's name of Laura Maud, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:04 | |
he searched the birth records | 0:35:04 | 0:35:06 | |
and found a sister of Arthur's who was also called Laura Maud. | 0:35:06 | 0:35:09 | |
She had stayed in Cardiff, and had two children. | 0:35:11 | 0:35:13 | |
One of whom was Lorraine Sergeant, another of Arthur's nieces. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:20 | |
She was able to provide great information in relation to all of the deceased's family | 0:35:20 | 0:35:24 | |
and particular about deceased himself and his life. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
Niece Lorraine may have been extremely helpful to Bob, | 0:35:27 | 0:35:30 | |
but initially the whole thing came as a shock to her. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:33 | |
My immediate reaction was, "nothing to do with us." | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
My sister phoned up and said about it, we were both dumbfounded to be quite honest. | 0:35:40 | 0:35:46 | |
Right out of the blue. | 0:35:46 | 0:35:49 | |
Lorraine used to occasionally bump into Arthur around Cardiff, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:53 | |
but lost touch. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:55 | |
Her fondest memories of her uncle went back to her childhood. | 0:35:55 | 0:35:59 | |
He used to come and stop with my grandmother | 0:35:59 | 0:36:03 | |
and very fond memories of him at that stage. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:07 | |
But he was a very sick person. | 0:36:07 | 0:36:09 | |
Yes, he had problems stemming from the war. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:16 | |
It turned out Arthur had enlisted in the army in 1939, | 0:36:20 | 0:36:24 | |
aged just 19-years-old, | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
just before the outbreak of the Second World War. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:29 | |
At this stage, he was a healthy young man. | 0:36:29 | 0:36:32 | |
He was in the First Battalion Welsh Regiment | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
and was initially based in Palestine before being posted to Egypt | 0:36:37 | 0:36:42 | |
and the infamous El Alamein | 0:36:42 | 0:36:44 | |
as part of the Allies' Western Desert campaign. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:48 | |
El Alamein is a town in northern Egypt where between 1940 and 1942 | 0:36:52 | 0:36:57 | |
crucial battles were fought by the Allies against Italian and German forces. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:02 | |
The Allies ultimately succeeded and halted their advance into Egypt, | 0:37:03 | 0:37:08 | |
eventually forcing the Italians and Germans West. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
It was in this world that a 21-year-old Arthur found himself. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:18 | |
It appears that something happened during this period of conflict that deeply affected him. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:24 | |
What it was is not exactly known by the family, | 0:37:25 | 0:37:28 | |
but niece Lorraine does remember one story. | 0:37:28 | 0:37:31 | |
We understood him to have been out on a patrol. | 0:37:32 | 0:37:37 | |
His best friend had stepped on a landmine and been blown to pieces. | 0:37:39 | 0:37:44 | |
He was affected by that from then onwards. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:51 | |
Once described as an honest, sober and hard-working soldier, | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
by 1943 his military record had begun to deteriorate. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:01 | |
In March 1945, | 0:38:02 | 0:38:05 | |
Arthur was declared permanently unfit for military service. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
Statistics suggest that as many as a fifth of World War II veterans | 0:38:09 | 0:38:14 | |
suffered from some sort of emotional trauma, and that is just the ones who reported it. | 0:38:14 | 0:38:18 | |
People experiencing things that they had never experienced before, | 0:38:24 | 0:38:28 | |
thinking the world is a benevolent place | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
and then seeing how awful human beings can be towards each other. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:33 | |
But then also serving in conflict after conflict, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
so it is a general wearing down of their capacity to be able to cope as well. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:43 | |
The experience of trauma and how it presented itself was not particularly well understood | 0:38:48 | 0:38:52 | |
although it was better that it had been. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:54 | |
But also the fact that these were men of their era | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
and were unlikely to have admitted to experiencing emotional distress. | 0:38:57 | 0:39:02 | |
The kinds of symptoms that they would have exhibited | 0:39:02 | 0:39:06 | |
when they came back from war might have been anger, | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
they might be acting out elements of their experiences | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
because they were feeling as if they were back in that situation. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:18 | |
Nightmares, depression, | 0:39:20 | 0:39:22 | |
not being able to perform their job effectively, becoming very withdrawn, | 0:39:22 | 0:39:27 | |
all of those sort of symptoms would have been noticeable. | 0:39:27 | 0:39:32 | |
As a child, Lorraine can clearly remember her uncle displaying signs of his trauma, | 0:39:33 | 0:39:39 | |
and also the lengths the family would go to to accommodate his illness. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:43 | |
When the aeroplanes went over or there was any police noises or | 0:39:44 | 0:39:49 | |
anything he would want us all to get under the table and hide | 0:39:49 | 0:39:55 | |
and get very distressed if we didn't. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:58 | |
He was a very nervous person. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
And despite the family's best efforts to care for Arthur, | 0:40:04 | 0:40:07 | |
it eventually proved too much for his mother to cope with. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
She found it very, very difficult, not being able to take him out | 0:40:12 | 0:40:17 | |
for fear of him, you know, having a bad turn or something like that. | 0:40:17 | 0:40:22 | |
Then he went to stay at the hospital. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
Arthur and his family's situation were sadly all too common in the post-war years. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:33 | |
He was just one of many men who found it extremely difficult | 0:40:33 | 0:40:36 | |
to slot back into everyday life. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:38 | |
It would have had a very shattering effect on the family, | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
they would never have been able to have the relationships | 0:40:43 | 0:40:46 | |
they would have liked to have had with each other. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:48 | |
Having an uncle whose life was effectively over at 24 | 0:40:48 | 0:40:52 | |
and whose illness meant normal relationships were nearly impossible | 0:40:52 | 0:40:56 | |
is a tragedy that caused Arthur to finally disappear | 0:40:56 | 0:41:00 | |
from his family's lives. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:01 | |
All the things he has missed, you know, he never had his own family, never had his own home. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:08 | |
He was just forgotten, to be quite honest with you. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
Even from my point of view, I forgot about him | 0:41:12 | 0:41:17 | |
once my mother passed on and... He just got forgotten. | 0:41:17 | 0:41:24 | |
It wasn't just Arthur's heirs who were saddened by their late uncle's life. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:30 | |
For Bob Smith, Arthur's story also struck a chord. | 0:41:30 | 0:41:33 | |
Presently in the media there is a lot of coverage about soldiers | 0:41:35 | 0:41:39 | |
that fight on behalf of their country in all parts of the world | 0:41:39 | 0:41:43 | |
and how they are looked after, there are many charitable causes, | 0:41:43 | 0:41:46 | |
quite rightly, for those soldiers. | 0:41:46 | 0:41:48 | |
But of course, Arthur himself was a victim of the generation he was brought up in. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:54 | |
They obviously didn't receive the same sort of support as they do know and I find that quite upsetting. | 0:41:54 | 0:42:01 | |
Overall, Bob found 13 heirs to Arthur's £225,000 estate. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:08 | |
An estate that could potentially have been made up of over 60 years worth of untouched war pension. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:14 | |
The legacy of the Second World War ruined both men and their families. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:21 | |
And for Lorraine, Arthur's life is a sad indictment | 0:42:21 | 0:42:24 | |
of the lack of support for men who served their country. | 0:42:24 | 0:42:27 | |
He never had nothing, I feel really, really strongly that these people, these boys, | 0:42:29 | 0:42:35 | |
because he was only a boy, he wasn't a grown man, he wasn't... | 0:42:35 | 0:42:40 | |
He hadn't seen nothing of life, and he came back and he was just left | 0:42:40 | 0:42:45 | |
and I think it was such a shame, a real waste of a life, really. | 0:42:45 | 0:42:51 | |
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