Episode 3 Free Speech

This is Free Speech. Your chance to have your say about what matters to

CHEERING AND APPLAUSE You know what, if Prince Charles

carries on like that I will be out of a job! Good evening and welcome

to Free Speech. I'm Jake Humphrey and tonight we're live in Bristol!

CHEERING I thought that might get quite a

big round of applause, or to be precise we are live in one of the

city's biggest nightclubs, we are in Motion. There's a lot Hoare for

us to discuss. Here's what's coming up tonight. Drugs - Russell has had

his say. Time to legalise? Young, black and unemployed, is it time to

change the law and give young black men the first crack at job

vacancies, and rap - why does it sound so bad to young women. This

debate is your debate. When you send us a message Michelle de

Swarte will read it. If she loves it she might decide to share it. A

big round of applause for Michelle de Swarte, who is with us again.

APPLAUSE Michelle there are so many ways to get in touch with you there

is no excuse for someone not to bother is there? Exactly. We want

to know what you guys think. You can get on touch online, good and

Who are you going to be getting in touch with? It's time to meet our

panel. From BBC Three she is the reporter who loves the show. She's

got drunk, got pregnant, got married and invited the cameras

It's Cherry Healey! APPLAUSE And we were joined by three-times Best

Comedian at the Black Entertainment Awards, it's Kojo! APPLAUSE UKIP

isn't only about Nigel Farage. Alexandra Swann has just quit the

Conservatives to join them and tonight she joins us. Good evening!

APPLAUSE A mixed reception. You might have your work cut out

tonight Alexandra. The Times called him one of the most influential

entrepreneurs of his generation and his YouTube channel has had over

100 million hits. It's Jamal Edwards! APPLAUSE

OK, that's our panel but which one is on your wavelength? This is the

show where from your chair you judge the panel's opinions, without

-- with our Power Bar. You loved having the power at your fingertips

didn't you? I love it, I love it, yes. Free Speech is the only show

where your opinions matter live on air. And this is how you can let

That's the Power Bar and tonight you have the power. But it's not

just tonight where you're in control. This month you've been

second us all kinds of messages about drugs, prompted no doubt by a

certain Russell Brand who told a committee of MPs that drugs should

be decriminalised and addicts should be treated as victims.

think some people can safely take drugs. As long as its doesn't turn

them into criminals or harm their health, I don't feel like it's any

of my business. For me what's more significant is the way that we

socially regard the condition of addiction. It's something that I

consider to be an illness and therefore more a health matter than

a criminal or judicial matter. I can see areas in fact where

decriminalisation might be considered useful and more

efficient. Again, mate, what we need to identify is a degree of

authenticity and compassion in the way that we deal with this problem,

otherwise you don't know what you're talking about. I guess the

word "mate" isn't used too much in that context. I wouldn't have worn

what he wore, but that's a different story. Our first question.

We've tried the war on drugs. Is it not time to give people the freedom

to choose? OK. Cherry, some people argue that part of the glamour of

drugs comes from the fact that it's illegal. I think this is a really

terrifying subject to speak openly about and it's really complicated.

I do agree with what Russ said about changing the way that we talk

about and view people who takes drugs. Not everyone who takes drugs

turns into a criminal and a menace to society, but I do think that

addiction is complicated and it's caused by loads of factors. Yes,

the way we deal with drugs at the moment is really, really severe. Is

it working? I don't know. I don't see, it is not really some ofing

the problem. I think if we really want to deal with drugs we have to

look at why people taking them. People do it because they are self-

medicating. If you get them off drugs, great, but are you not

sending them back into that same situation, back on to drugs? We as

a society need to be compassionate to those severely affected by drugs

and we need to ask why are people getting into that state? APPLAUSE

Kojo, is that the problem - we are focusing on people taking drugs

rather than why? Me personally, I don't really have much thought for

why you would need to take drugs. Maybe because I've never taken them.

However, I do understand what Russ is saying to a certain degree. For

example in Holland, weed is like cigarettes. From my background, I'm

from Hackney. My issue with drugs is drug dealers. Their making money

from it and harming younger people and getting them involved in the

system. If the Government take ownership of it like cigarettes,

which hill people, maybe they can control nit areas where I'm from.

So are you saying legalise cannabis? Not other drugs but

possibly cannabis. CHEERING If you are going to legalise something the

aim is to regulate it. Cannabis can be made up of 400 different

chemicals. It is a difficult one to regulate. Is that the answer?

are two issues. First about the legal issues of drugs and the

second of how you deal with people who are taking drugs. First of all,

Russell Brand is right to say that drug addiction is an illness not

crime. You need to protect, educate and rehabilitate people, not put

them into Prince. Putting people with drug progs into prison won't

help them or society and it will cost taxpayers money. The war on

drugs, just because it isn't working, doesn't mean we should

embrace the enemy. To suggest a blanket ban or legalisation of

drugs is wrong. It's too black and white. There are arguments for

legalisation, for things like cannabis, you can regulate and

reclaim some of the cost of treating drug addiction. But with

crack or heroin, no-one wants a situation where you can walk into a

news agent and say, "I want 20 Marlboro Lights and a few grams of

heroin." If people have a chance to try them because they are there to

be tried kit do a hell of a lot of damage though their lives. As a

libertarian I say do what you want to yourselves but drugs are about

family and society. It doesn't just affect the individual who takes

them. But drugs are illegal and it isn't stopping people from taking

them. Cigarettes and alcohol are legal and kill thousands every year,

so how will it solve the problem? I'm not saying to legalise it or

saying it is alright, but I don't agree with people being put into

prison for maybe having a spliff. It ruins their life. They know the

law don't though? I know, but other people out there are killing people

and stuff like that. For example, if you're inside prison and you are

speaking to someone and you say, "What are you in for?" And they are

in for murder, and you say, "I'm here because he a spliff." There

should be something set up for people inside and help them to

reform. Michelle, there's been loads of comment online on the Free

Speech website. Is it buzzing already? Let me tell you about the

online debate. It has run into the hundreds and it's been going on for

literally weeks. People en have -- people have been going ballistic.

Are you ready for the twitterati verdict? Let's look at the Power

At the moment, nothing! That's what you get on live TV. This is

brilliant. However, we might not be on the Power Bar yet but we are

trending already. I say that's well done, Bristol. CHEERING

We'll come back to the Power Bar in a moment.

I don't want the panellists to think we are getting off lightly

with the Power Bar. That will be moving tonight. Zoe I'm sure you

found that chat on drugs interesting because I know you have

your own personal story about drugs. Are you cool to share that with us?

Yes. Off you go. When I was 14 I was smoking cannabis. I stopped for

a bit and then my nan died at the age of 16 and she was only 54, only

young. I was smoking it for quite a bit and then I kind of went off the

asleep and that. I was just What helped you? My little boy. If

it wasn't for my little boy I would probably would be on harder stuff

today. When you see our panel and they are talking about the ways of

trying to some of these problems, you are in here with personal

experiences and I'm sure you are not the only person here with your

experience. What's your advice? think you should legalise weed but

not the other things. Why would legalising cannabis or weed make a

difference? Because some kids goes for hard time and hard in life and

you just think, well, that can sort of help out. OK. Are you almost

condoning it if you legalise it? In some ways, if people are taking

drugs and they are still holding down regular jobs and have no

issues in they are lives they think everything is fine and they are

still taking cannabis. We know there are mental health and

physical issues associated with it? Yeah, there can be, yeah. It makes

you paranoid. OK. So yeah. Let's hear from George. Where's George? I

would like to hear from him. What do you think? It should -- there

health and it can't be good for society as a whole. I think it's a

Governments and doctors and pharmacists are best placed to deal

think Hollywood has played a large What did you think? I'm just

wondering what about alcohol? That seems to be the biggest drug and it

is legal. People that smoke weed can hold down a job the they choose

to. If they don't choose to they are losing out on a big opportunity.

What about alcohol? It is legal, it is in Tesco, all the way down to

the floor. Kids see it. That really should have a limitation on it as

well as cannabis, because a lot of people end up on the streets

because of drinking because they drank their life away.

Anybody else think we should regulate alcohol? I agree with that,

but I think you need to go further, if you are thinking about

regulating things, look at what is in the foods, and also look at

caffeine. My dad has the story, he says that it was because he started

drinking coffee when he was six years old, he is really short. I

don't know if there is much truth to that argument. But He numbers,

they're all linked with cancer, you have to look at all those things,

they are available for kids to get right off the shelves, and there is

no restriction on that. It feels that what people are saying is that

there are a lot of things that are not good for people, so you cannot

ban everything in it is likely bad for you. There is an overwhelming

response. In response to the lovely young lady with the blond hair at

the back, we have "cannabis should be legalised, it is less dangerous

Another one, "drugs should be banned, simple. Why would we want

to legalise them?" another one says drugs should be legalised and tax,

and we should make a profit. The biggest response seems to be about

Russell Brand's outfit! That is what people are talking about? What

do we think on the panel? It seems to be a general feeling about more

control. The lady you spoke to, or might issue with that is we are

living in a society where if you have a problem, you turn to drugs

immediately. Cocaine is something that, visually, you can see the

effect it has on people, you can see people deteriorating every day.

But people still choose to take that, what happens to friends, what

happens to family, what happens to people who can help you? I agree

entirely, and I think if you legalise something, people are

still taking drugs when they are illegal, but if you legalise them,

you are sending the wrong message. If you are feeling down, just take

some drugs. Anti-depressants are prescribed so easily, what about

talking to your family and friends, take some polls, whatever it is. It

is really difficult, because if people are allowed to just take

drugs, then whilst alcohol can be its huge problem in people's lives,

at the same time, drugs might make you happy for a few hours, making

them legal just makes them more available. Who would like to see

all drugs legalised here? Some people believe that if we could

legalise drugs can we can control the supply, remove the illegal

element and the criminal underworld adamant. I just wanted to talk to

you about what the lady mentioned when her gran died, that is what

made her end up on drugs, and I had the exact same thing. My flat mate

died, he was 20, that made me turn to cocaine. If my baby hadn't come

along, I would be dead now. People need to focus more on bereavement,

that is a common reason why people end up so deep into drugs. So focus

more on the emotional element? completely. We have to look at drug

treatment, because you treat a heroin addict with methadone, which

is more addictive. You have the idea that if they relapse and use

heroin again, their mortality rate increases, so why is it OK to treat

someone with something that is state-controlled and more harmful,

as opposed to giving them the drug, and weaning them off it? Why is it

more functional to give them something that is statistically

more dangerous? When I mentioned legalising drugs, someone shouted

no, who was that? People get addicted to it and stuff like that,

the main thing people forget is that we need a support network,

funding, and that is one thing the government don't do. They throw

them straight in prison, they are back on the streets again. We need

to sit people down and ask why they are doing it for. It is expensive

putting people in prison. Russell Brand has been through it, that is

what you need to do it. The same with alcohol, they'd just say, take

this. The same with depression. You need to tell your doctor, and ask

them, what do when needed to? would like to say thanks to you all,

and thanks to his tally for sharing her story. It is important to point

out that there is evidence Dist suggest that despite paint is a

carcinogenic chemical. What is happening on-line? Ball seems to

think that Russell Brand is right. He says, "where drugs are concerned,

I believe education is the answer, but telling kids drugs are bad will

ruin your life, it is not the way to do it, they need the truth and

the facts." they got off lightly a minute ago. That was a test run.

A popular panel! It is not a contest. It kind of his. I think we

have some friendly viewers watching this evening. Just to remind you,

if you want to get involved and want to help us power up the Power

It is important that people get involved this evening. Yes, please

do, we are listening! Thank you, and thank you for your comments at

home. Now we are going to talk about unemployment. Despite

announcements that UK unemployment has fallen today, there are still

more than 1 million unemployed young people in Britain. 20.8 of

young white men are unemployed, that figure for young black men is

a staggering 56%. Can we feasibly introduce positive discrimination

in favour of black minority ethnic I think we can, I think personally,

it stems from the whole university system in general, you spend a lot

of time going to university, and the people who study For four or

five years have no guarantees, whatever race you off. I find with

young black men, especially from my background, where I grew up, a lot

of them want to be entrepreneurs. A good one is Jamal, he is a good

example of people who want to work for themselves, they hear their

parents talking about hating their jobs, so that feeds into us, and

from a young age, we want to be our own bosses. But do you believe in

positive action, that black men should jump to the front of the Ku?

No, I believe in equality in jobs, the right person should get the

right job, but I find that the right person, especially in the UK,

seems to be white people over any other ethnic minority. Alexandra?

think positive action is an nice way of saying positive

discrimination, discrimination it is terrible in all forms. Just

discriminating against a particular gender or ethnic Crump -- Group, it

is divisive at best, and is definitely not the answer. You need

to look at the reasons why black people are less likely to be

employed, a lot of that will come down to the state education sector,

in the cities, and the sadistic about black graduates not doing as

well, to look at white graduates and black graduates is not good

enough. You could have five graduates coming from any of the

City or gender, you could have five people, regardless of where they

are from, a graduate will do better. A few people say it would be a good

idea to have an all-woman shortlist, but I would be so offended if I

felt I needed to be a woman to get elected. It is so patronising for

people to think I'm so held back that I cannot override that, it is

patronising and wrong. 43% of young black men anticipate discrimination

before they apply for a job. Is that part of the problem? I don't

think it is part of the problem, I think the problem is a motivation,

and people need to get out of the kind of... I think unemployment is

a disgrace all over the board, not just for black people, and I worked

in pop man for five years before I could earn anything from my channel,

and all my boys were like, I think they want it fast and were not

prepared to work for it. Maybe it is the people you surround yourself

with, as well. In school, I used to surround myself with the Football

lot, and the music lot, it is a different social group, but it is

all about the motivation. So how do we foster entrepreneurship and get

young black people do think they can do their own thing? In schools,

it is about starting early. Key stage three people, they were

teaching them how to sew and staff, but it is not too early, when you

get to college, that is when there tell you about your business, I

didn't know anything about my business, tax, all of that... To

does that not leave us with a lost generation, if we start looking at

eight year-old can what about the guy is now? The guy is now, I think

there needs to be some sort of initiative, I never used to have an

office, but there is one in Camden for a lot of different styles, I

think it should be applied to the North, West, Keith -- east and

south. Comment on line? Well, one person says, "a person a keynote

agree with positive discrimination, whether it is positive or negative,

it is still discrimination". What do you think? I totally agree, if I

felt I got a job because I was ticking a box, it takes away all

your pride. But if you are sending someone into a job and they are not

fully equipped, it is like throwing someone to the lions. So what is

the answer? It is about going in, equipping, encouraging young men to

reach for those jobs, to go into the interview fully prepared, to

feel like they can go for those interviews. I think we should

educate employers, there should be awareness. I would want to know

that I was being self-aware, when I have people walk into the interview

room, how might you ring them? think in an ideal world, that is

fantastic, but I have been given jobs because I know the person. I

may not have been the best person for the job, but if somebody is the

best person for the job and they are going Behrend are presenting

themselves, being young and black, what do you say to that person? All

they are doing is applying for the job. It is nice to say, this is

what they should be giving, but they are doing that and still are

not getting work. How do you know that is the reason? At the same

time, there are a lot of business is about employed black people.

There are places, I feel more comfortable with this kind of race,

that is what happens. It is easy to say it is not happening, but I have

seen it. But the thing that is also helping black people? You asked

about why we feel defeated, before we even tried, but it is because

they have experienced it themselves. If I was in a position where I was

qualified to do everything, whatever the criteria was, and kept

on going for interviews, I would get deflated. Let's have a look at

It is moving as we speak. I love the Power Bar. A comment from

Jonathan describing people as black and white is racist. Just describe

them as human beings. We've spoken about what it might be

like if you are young and black and looking for work. Freddie and Chin

are living that life. This is the film they made for us.

Hello, I'm Freddie and I'm following up on a job application

form I sent into you guys. Oh, so the job's been filled then? OK,

yeah. Thank you for your time Did you get any good replies?

places were optimistic. It's hard to motivate yourself. What are you

doing now? Hand out more CVs. I APPLAUSE

Well done! Thank you so much for sharing that with us. How sad

though that you feel you need to rap about the fact that your skin

makes you a misfit. Is that really how you feel? I just think

personally, there's so many statistics out there, and I don't

want to be trapped like another black man, whatever. I just want a

job really. That's all I really want. And you feel you're doing

everything? We've heard here that young black men need to feel

empowered and this they can achieve their dreams. Did you feel that you

can do that but you are not getting the opportunities? You wake up in

the morning and you see that statistic, 56%. That's generation.

That's like a dad and a son with no job. I've done everything. I've

volunteered for years at this youth centre. I'm only just now getting

an apresentistship for it. Last year I went for it and they said I

was overqualified. It is ridiculous, 56%. Sometimes I think it is better

for me to go out and look for jobs in person, because then they see

what sort of person you are and they might like your personality.

When I'm doing CVs only, if if they see my first name, because it is

Nigerian, they might think, "He can't speak good English." The

hardest thing in the morning is getting up and motivating yourself.

I have to be consistent and going to the same place all the time.

this resonating with you Jamal? Yeah. One, the video, yeah, it's

cool but for one I would never go into a shop wearing a hood.

APPLAUSE Two, you are saying you are going into the same place over

and over again. I walked up Ealing Broadway every day after school and

I was dressed smart, but people need to get into their mind, if you

are not getting in somewhere, if you are watching a show, for

example I'm watching EastEnders, I'm watching the credits. I'm

looking at all the assistant producers and editors and thinking

how I will contact those people I Google, I search their name. It

goes down to the point that I find out where they are. If it says they

are in Ealing, I make sure goi to Ealing and bump into them -- go to

Ealing and bump into them. Parents not working, try something

different. When you are young you don't necessarily know the right

way but there seems to be a difference notice opportunities

that are there for young black men, Kojo? I would say about the

appearance thing. You can be qualified and good at your job but

if you don't know how to present yourself, no matter what colour you

are, you don't deserve the job. I don't know you and you come into my

place of business dressed inappropriately. When I watched the

video I was like, I wouldn't have given him a job. So whatever the

colour of your skin, do the job justice. Yes, and smile. Be

confident. APPLAUSE I agree with what you are saying about going

into a job prepared and dressing smartly and not going in with a bad

attitude. You instead that video and -- you said in that video that

you wake up and think I'm a statistic. Who does that? So many

young people in this country are unemployed, because the last

Government did very little. This Government is doing very little. We

need to boost the economy and do well. Cutting taxes and regulation.

Something needs to be done by the Government and nothing's being done.

None of the three main parties seem to know what they are doing. So

many people, regardless of whether they are black or white, are

suffering. Something needs to be done. It sounds like maybe you need

to do more to help yourself. That video was completely staged. We had

to go out looking how we did. APPLAUSE This is what I'm saying

though, in my head I knew that but that video is now representing you.

There was certain things I couldn't even say, I don't know if I am

allowed to say it. The service there is for the unemployed don't

help. I'm not going to do work experience for 8 weeks in a place

where they can pay for for 8 weeks. Where is Amy? I want to hear from

Amy on this. Hello. Something that made me really angry is that you

are going to try to give these people jobs over other people.

you say these people you mean young black people? Sorry, yes. What

right do they have, just because they don't have a job? I don't have

a job. Give me a job if you want. It is ridiculous, because if they

are thinking they can pick any job they want they are not going to try.

You described that as comedy. is more than comedy b

lurksdfrpblgts what kind -- this is more than comedy blud. You have

people saying they are statistics blud. You know what I'm saying?

This lady is saying, so they are going to give black people better

jobs? We've got no jobs in England, innit. Unless you are some kind of

graduate or common purpose or some kind of course like that, yeah,

where you spent money to meet people, you are not going to have a

job, you are going to be stuck in a job where you work hard and to make

you work hard every day you get low pay to make you dependent on that

job. And if not, innit, like you are going to fail innit there are

no jobs like? What I can show you is ten black people, ten white

people and all of them is educated past the standards of your spurious

educational SATs and all these things and none of them have jobs.

So the problem is there's no jobs for anyone. APPLAUSE You cannot

break it down to division, blud. Division is written on money. The

�20 note. Manufacturing. Now you are bringing into it this show. How

dare you? Seriously blud. All I'm doing is discussing the facts.

There's no jobs. That's the fact. Say that is true. We can stop this

dumb debate about division. (Inaudible) I'm human. Absolutely.

I think you are undermining the issue by talking about appearance

and clothing and the way you should approach interviews. The fact is

56% of young black men are unemployed. You shouldn't be

looking at what they are doing not to get those jobs but why do they

have to work twice as horde to get a job and that's the issue. That's

what shoe be debating. I totally agree with everything you just said,

but so what? My thing is that. I have known from five years old that

I had, in my house we were told you have to do twice as much as a white

person. However, so what? It is called hard work. At the end of it,

hold on! What I'm saying to you is what's wrong with being twice as

good at the end? And you still get turned away. I understand what you

are saying, but at the end, if you are positive, I'm going to be twice

as good in the end. Everyone is living life innit. You can't be

twice as good at living unless you are got two hearts, blud, the you

get me? No matter what the colour of your skin. APPLAUSE It is about

achieving what you want to do. What's your objective. It is not

about being better than anybody. Thank to SB TV, people are thinking

I have I want a job I want to make it in the music career. You get

what I'm saying? Let's find out what people are saying online.

Michelle, a snapshot of public opinion. Only the debate is gect as

heated as it is here in the studio. Sean is saying racism exists to

suit certain people's needs when they don't get their own way. I

would like to say that the overwhelming response online is

saying we are all humans at the end of the day. Do you know what I

mean? I would also like to say we are trending number three on

Twitter. Please move us up to number one. And do keep your

questions coming in as well. Michelle there are all kinds of

All this is important because Free Speech is not just a TV show. We

are online and if you get in touch with us you can shape what happens

in the studio. We have something called the hot

five, where you can help us decide to topics that we cover. Last week

one thing was a controversial debate about the Education

Secretary. Online on our web It was about

Michael Gove. He went to a private school, Robert Gordon's College,

yet he says it is morally indefensible how many privately

educated people get top jobs. feel that private schools divide

class and promote inequality, because it is unne'er a child who

might be extremely talented might not get to excel because their

standard of education is dictated by their background. I didn't go to

a public school. My parents couldn't afford it. Why is it that

when only 7% of schools in this country from private, that majority

of influential and successful people across all fields, including

the industry I work in, are privately educated? That's the

problem. Let's hear from Tom Vaughan? Our next question. Does

the panel agree that the only conclusion of Michael Gove's recent

speech on schools that private education should be banned? What do

we think, panel? Should private education be banned? Your hand went

up quickly. What's been shown is that private school gives better

opportunities to people who can afford it. Now, what we should be

looking at, I don't think you should bring something that's doing

better down. You should bring the state system up. Selection is a

dirty word. APPLAUSE It is not just private schools. There are so few

decent state schools that parents who can afford it are buying up

houses in the catchment area. It is a dirty word, selection, but if

kids are going to be selected in one way it should be on academic

ability. Cater for those who aren't so academic. Have grammar schools.

Don't ban private schools have. Choice. Were you privately

educated? I was and I appreciate that, but my father is from a

council estate and a grammar school. When you look at changing the

education sments producer, not consumer-led. It is run by the

teaching unions. Grammar schools in Kent. Kids and parents are fighting

for grammar schools. Teaching unions only care about keeping the

status quo. Cherry? I went to private school and I can understand

how frustrating it must be to have that massive divide and that the

jobs do go to primarily people at private school. It is absolutely

the wrong answer to ban them. That's a really sexy political

statement. It wins votes, but it is way too unsophisticated. There's a

divide in quality between private and state, but I agree - don't get

rid of the stuff we do really well. The UK is amazing at education. We

are internationally looked at as an example of how to educate. I think

let's take what's happening in private schools and let's share it

with everybody. Let's get more bursaries, more shared lessons and

facilities. Let's break down the boundaries and share it. Lets bring

what's not working up. Hands up who thinks privately educated people

have it easier in this country? A quick point why you think that?

I'm 2 2. I've dropped out of two college courses. I've completed one

and I hope to start one in September. In the time I have been

doing that I could have had 700 UCAS points by now. I grew up with

own brand cupboards full. I've got no silver spoon in my mouth. I

could have got the UCAS points and gone to Oxford. Not on the back of

mother and father's gravy Chin. haven't had the opportunity that

people have had I have had the opportunity. The courses have been

funded. There is not anybody nels this room who hasn't got the same

tuefpblts It is not strictly true, if you

want it, you will work for it. was just going to say, the majority

of prime ministers that we have had in the UK have been from the same

school. I don't think it is a bad thing to have private education for

those people who can afford it. Private schools also sponsor state

schools, which brings the quality up, and I think also, if I was

paying 30 Grande year or something to have my kid in private education,

I would really push for them to achieve as much as they can come

and make the most of my money. interesting point, because what

people are saying is that there are people who have been to private

schools, and that is fine, if you have got the money, the real topic

here is, are people who have been to private schools are getting the

opportunities, is that because of an old boys' club? I think parents

are going to be switched regardless, they are going to send their kids

wherever. -- which were Dardis. -- reached regardless. I don't go to

private school, but I'm against, I want to show everyone, you can go

to a state school, I have been boat -- put in front of David Cameron

and Ed Miliband, I would show them you don't have to go to private

school to go in front of people like that. I think, at you go into

private school, you go to a -- going to either is not going to

guarantee you anything. I do agree with these two on the fact of,

raising up the public school education, and getting it on a par

with the private school, because if you can afford to get a little bit

extra for your child, you should be able to do that. Michelle, some

comments? He has, Liam says, it is A really nice point, "money

separate upper-class from the lower class, it stops equality". How is

the Power Bar moving? Led to fire up the Power Bar. Seen as you are

so popular, it said, it is not what you know, it is who you know, but

that is regardless of education, isn't it? What do you think? I had

to graft to get to know people. I wasn't really in the scene, but I

was waiting outside nightclubs, now I know people. It is half and half.

At the end of the day it is down to the person. If you wanted, you will

get it. So you created your Dugit around you? Yes. You can get in

We would like you to get in touch. No moment we will ask why Rio

Ferdinand will be watching the Euros on the BBC rather than

playing. -- in a moment. But first, something else that has got youth

fired up. British music is taking over the world. There is Adele, a

Jessie J, making waves, they are women. Us Open music scene is

represented by the likes of Tinchy Stryder, Tinie Tempah, all talented,

all men. It is -- is it tougher for Urban culture is a bit of a boys'

club, because the main icons that come to mind on men. A I have heard

a lot of be males that are better than a lot of men I have heard, and

a lot of men that are better, I don't think it should be down to

sex, it should be down to who is musically better. The whole idea of

a female rapper in the UK, I don't think it is pushed as much. If you

had a song that had a 100% we all words, and everybody can relate to

it, that is one thing. But if you have one about doing certain things

two guys, it will get more, and that is wrong. I think the females

in the rap industry in the UK are on and up. I have experienced

sexism, just because I am a Pom Boyd. -- tomboy. People have said

that to me before, why do you dress in a certain way, why don't you

sexy up yourself? I don't care what man I have to look at. A everybody

thinks about what the consumer is going to think, what the consumer

There we go, the thought of three talented young ladies. The question

from Felicity. Are there fewer female rappers because of the way

they are depicted by male rappers? A good one for you, Jamal. What is

the problem, why are there not more women? I think some female artists

may be a bit scared to try and jump in, because it is so male-dominated,

but I have always said, regardless, I will be to have been well if they

want to get on my channel. -- I will feature a female. I spoke to

one in 2009, she feels it is a male orientated, she cannot get out

there, and I have a platform to try and push it more, but did you get

other people who come in and try and talk a load of madness, and

that shows other people... That is a bad reflection of the girls and

have been grafting, talking sense, but she smashes it. In America, if

they did that, it would do well. we need more opportunities, what do

we think? At the end of the day, if people have got a story to tell,

that women can relate to, of course we are going to listen, and of

course we are going to find that on the internet, and there is

definitely a scene there for the Underground female MC's. It to you

feel under-represented? definitely do, because I am not a

plastic model, not singing about my chain, I have not got a fake bomb.

I think a lot of women -- rap centralisers women rather than

promoting good things, and I think that is a bad thing. I think it is

interesting that Jamal spoke about having a platform of four women, so

it is OK to positively discriminate for women, but why is it not OK to

recognise white privilege for young black men and positively

discriminate for them? Or one of the point. Did you think that music

is an industry which is big, but talking about it is really uncommon

for most young people, because I don't listen to music that much.

The fact is that rap music is dull. Can you give us one comment from

Thank you for your comments. On to our final topic. This is the last

Free Speech until after the European Championship. I'm

personally keen to get one away hear about football. This is my

question. Rio Ferdinand is out, John Terry is in, is that the right

call? We cannot discuss the court case that is pending, but we can

talk about the decision. I reckon personally that neither of them

should be there, they should take a young team and play with young guys.

I disagree, I think John Terry is amazing, why cannot he played for

his country? What do you think? think it depends on merit, Rio is a

past it, I think John Terry should go. Would you agree? You have

changed your mind? If I worked in a school and I had a case pending for

paedophilia or something, I wouldn't be able to go to work

until that is finished up. Very quickly... That is my point, I

understand that none of them should go, Rio is injury-prone and hasn't

been playing much, John Terry has a case going on, I don't think he

should have gone. Michel? A we are trending on Twitter globally.

you very much indeed. Once again, it has blown by. You can join us on

line at any time. He has been very badly behaved. You will be on