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On tonight's show, Jem discovers how diamonds are going to change | :01:05. | :01:08. | |
our world, and then, as only Jem can, he tries to make a diamond for | :01:08. | :01:15. | |
himself. Do I let it go further with the chances of bigger diamonds, | :01:15. | :01:21. | |
or do I quit now before I lose everything? And Dallas gets to | :01:22. | :01:25. | |
grips with a disease that affects one in three of us, cancer, and he | :01:25. | :01:30. | |
meets the team taking a crucial step in the race to find a cure. | :01:30. | :01:33. | |
Are we ever going to get zero people dying from breast cancer? Is | :01:33. | :01:37. | |
it going to happen in our lifetime? In my career. That's Bang Goes The | :01:37. | :01:43. | |
Theory, revealing your world with a bang. Hello, and welcome. Bang is | :01:43. | :01:46. | |
back, and for the next eight weeks we're going to bring you all the | :01:46. | :01:48. | |
latest scientific research, and we'll also be demo-ing the | :01:48. | :01:53. | |
technology that's about to change our lives, right here on BBC One. | :01:53. | :01:56. | |
That's right, we're going to be covering a huge range of topics, | :01:56. | :01:59. | |
everything from the nasty creatures that visit us in our beds, to how | :01:59. | :02:02. | |
to supercharge your memory so you'll never lose your keys or | :02:02. | :02:07. | |
forget a name. But first this, diamonds. They used to be a girl's | :02:07. | :02:10. | |
best friend. They still are, my love. Not if you're cutting through | :02:10. | :02:12. | |
concrete. Diamond-tipped cutting discs are very much a bloke's best | :02:12. | :02:18. | |
friend. But slicing stonework and looking pretty is a bit old hat. | :02:18. | :02:21. | |
It's all the other astonishing properties of diamond that make | :02:21. | :02:23. | |
them set to revolutionise things as diverse as hip replacements and | :02:23. | :02:29. | |
quantum computers. Diamonds, generally famous for three things, | :02:29. | :02:36. | |
being very beautiful, very expensive, and very, very hard. But | :02:36. | :02:45. | |
it turns out they also have a whole load of extraordinary properties. | :02:45. | :02:49. | |
Some of which we're only just discovering. I never knew that | :02:49. | :02:53. | |
diamonds could glow in the dark. This is just one of the properties | :02:53. | :02:58. | |
that mean diamonds are staying at the cutting edge of technology. So | :02:58. | :03:01. | |
what makes diamonds so special? Although they may look very | :03:01. | :03:04. | |
different, this is actually made of the same stuff as the graphite in | :03:04. | :03:11. | |
this pencil, and even the charcoal from a barbecue. They're all | :03:11. | :03:17. | |
basically carbon. Which means diamonds are probably not forever. | :03:17. | :03:23. | |
They'll burn, just like charcoal. So, with a blowtorch, the tiniest | :03:23. | :03:26. | |
high street diamond... And some liquid oxygen for encouragement, I | :03:26. | :03:35. | |
can easily cause a little diamond inferno. Pretty, but not the | :03:35. | :03:41. | |
cheapest fossil fuel. It's completely gone. It was a diamond, | :03:41. | :03:47. | |
it's now just carbon dioxide. So how can one form of carbon be so | :03:47. | :03:52. | |
different from the others? It's all down to the way its made. Atoms | :03:52. | :03:56. | |
tend to form bonds to bind to each other. Carbon likes to have four of | :03:56. | :04:00. | |
them, but it's only when all four are of the strongest type possible | :04:00. | :04:06. | |
that it becomes diamond. And that takes extreme pressure. Diamond is | :04:06. | :04:16. | |
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essentially what you get when you With mere muscle power, I can't get | :04:22. | :04:25. | |
anywhere near the pressure I need to create a diamond. I need | :04:25. | :04:32. | |
something a bit more... LOUD BANG. | :04:32. | :04:38. | |
..Explosive. An explosion has enough pressure. But tends to fry | :04:38. | :04:41. | |
the diamonds as much as it makes them. You need a microscope to see | :04:41. | :04:44. | |
any that are left. Sustained pressure is what you want, but a | :04:44. | :04:48. | |
lot more than I can muster. To get yourself in the right ball-park, | :04:48. | :04:51. | |
you'd be looking at more like packing your carbon into a small | :04:51. | :04:55. | |
space, making it airtight... Heating it up to a few hundred | :04:55. | :04:58. | |
degrees, and then hoping it holds itself together whilst you park the | :04:58. | :05:06. | |
entire weight of the Titanic on that for a week. That's how natural | :05:06. | :05:11. | |
diamonds are formed, 100 or kilometres under the earth. But | :05:11. | :05:16. | |
there is an alternative to brute force. It turns out you can grow | :05:16. | :05:24. | |
diamonds right in the middle of a flame. Now, this torch burns a gas | :05:24. | :05:29. | |
called acetylene, which is made up of carbon and hydrogen. And under | :05:29. | :05:32. | |
some circumstances, not all the carbon gets burned and it comes off | :05:32. | :05:39. | |
as a kind of soot. By adjusting the amount of oxygen I feed into this | :05:39. | :05:41. | |
flame, I can control its temperature and exactly how much | :05:41. | :05:51. | |
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unburnt carbon there is left. At this point, it's extremely hot. And | :05:52. | :05:54. | |
just there, in that light blue feather, the conditions are right | :05:54. | :06:04. | |
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to grow a diamond. It's 2500 degrees in there, and inside that | :06:07. | :06:14. | |
flame there's all sorts of chemical chaos. All the time, different | :06:14. | :06:19. | |
carbon compounds are forming then burning away again. But if I get | :06:19. | :06:22. | |
the conditions just right, the hardest molecules will survive, the | :06:22. | :06:28. | |
diamonds. I really have no idea if this is going to work. But if | :06:28. | :06:31. | |
diamonds are going to grow, they'll grow right there, where the flame | :06:31. | :06:34. | |
meets the plate, and they're going to grow atom by atom, so it could | :06:34. | :06:43. | |
take quite a long time. As far as I know, no-one in Britain has ever | :06:43. | :06:47. | |
managed to do this, and I need to run it for hours before I even know | :06:47. | :06:53. | |
if it's working. You can actually see sparkly stuff heaping up, | :06:53. | :07:02. | |
albeit only slightly, in the middle of that metal plate. So far, this | :07:02. | :07:08. | |
has taken... Eight hours, seven hours? It's a long, long stint just | :07:08. | :07:14. | |
to get that. But the longer you leave it, it's like gambling. Do I | :07:14. | :07:18. | |
let it go further, with the chances of bigger diamonds, or do I quit | :07:18. | :07:24. | |
now before I lose everything? I don't want to quit now. I want to | :07:24. | :07:28. | |
keep it going. If I've got this right, those tiny crystals are | :07:28. | :07:31. | |
going to grow as layer after layer of carbon atoms are laid down, | :07:31. | :07:37. | |
forming lovely, sparkling diamonds. But only if I've got this exactly | :07:37. | :07:42. | |
right. These diamonds, if, in fact, they are diamonds, may be tiny, but | :07:42. | :07:48. | |
they are the start of something very big. Because it's only by | :07:48. | :07:51. | |
growing diamonds in this steady, controlled way that we stand a | :07:51. | :07:54. | |
chance of being able to take advantage of all their other | :07:54. | :08:03. | |
amazing properties, beyond just being very hard and very shiny. Now | :08:03. | :08:06. | |
I'm going to try and get these things out of here without | :08:06. | :08:16. | |
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destroying them. It still shines, just with a blackened sheen. Now | :08:21. | :08:24. | |
what I need to do is take these little fellas somewhere where | :08:24. | :08:28. | |
somebody can tell me, for certain, whether we've made diamonds or not. | :08:28. | :08:35. | |
I so hope we have. Dr Mark Newton at Warwick University should know. | :08:35. | :08:38. | |
He's at the cutting edge of diamond research, and starts by showing me | :08:38. | :08:45. | |
a large bona-fide gemstone. There is a diamond, looks like a diamond, | :08:45. | :08:48. | |
it's cut and polished like a diamond. So if you pop that in your | :08:48. | :08:51. | |
machine, we'll be able to see exactly what it is we're hoping to | :08:51. | :08:55. | |
see off my diamond? Exactly. There is one very easy test, a technique | :08:55. | :08:58. | |
called Raman scattering. By shining a laser light on the sample and | :08:58. | :09:04. | |
looking at the light that's scattered back from the sample. | :09:04. | :09:09. | |
Diamond is really simple. There's one characteristic Raman frequency | :09:09. | :09:11. | |
at 1332, really nice diagnostic that the material we're looking at | :09:11. | :09:15. | |
is diamond. And if it comes out with the correct Raman frequency, | :09:15. | :09:20. | |
it is unequivocally diamond? Unequivocally diamond. All right, | :09:20. | :09:23. | |
let's see what the real thing looks like. OK, just pop it underneath | :09:23. | :09:28. | |
the microscope. You can see the diamond, you can see the nice sharp | :09:28. | :09:35. | |
edges underneath. Switch the laser on, set to run. There we go. A | :09:35. | :09:39. | |
really sharp peak, so sharp that it's just clipped off the top. Bang | :09:39. | :09:42. | |
on, that's diamond. So that's what I'm hoping for with this? Shall we | :09:42. | :09:47. | |
have a look? Yes. They're definitely sparkly. I think we may | :09:47. | :09:52. | |
be in danger of getting carried away here. Right. I'm not massively | :09:52. | :09:57. | |
heartened. OK, we can see we're sitting on top of the crystal, | :09:57. | :10:01. | |
laser on. Is this it now. This is it, the moment of truth. It is | :10:01. | :10:11. | |
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diamond! Is it?! I'm flabbergasted! No way! I was about to say... That | :10:13. | :10:16. | |
is exactly the same peak! Oh, yes! I would've bet against that! You've | :10:16. | :10:20. | |
grown diamond! If you look down there, it's not bad. What's the | :10:20. | :10:23. | |
slope about? Your diamond has a much, much higher concentration of | :10:23. | :10:27. | |
impurities. Are they a bad thing? No, the impurities can change the | :10:27. | :10:31. | |
properties. They can change the optical properties so the diamonds | :10:31. | :10:36. | |
are different colours, you can get blue, brown, pink diamonds. But | :10:36. | :10:40. | |
also they can give very useful properties that you can exploit. | :10:40. | :10:44. | |
That's one of them! That means it's likely that not only have we made a | :10:44. | :10:48. | |
diamond, we've made thousands of them! This fella looks like, that's | :10:48. | :10:54. | |
a chunky-looking rock. There's a big one. If that's a diamond... | :10:54. | :10:57. | |
Switch the laser on and scan through to see if we have a diamond | :10:57. | :11:02. | |
Raman... And we do! Look at that! That's almost identical to the | :11:02. | :11:06. | |
calibration diamond! I'm glad I put that deposit down on a yacht now. | :11:06. | :11:10. | |
hope it's a very small yacht! on a sec, can we just pause for a | :11:10. | :11:14. | |
minute? You've just made a diamond from scratch?! Utterly impressive. | :11:14. | :11:18. | |
From nothing at all? That is amazing. It may well have been one | :11:18. | :11:21. | |
of my smaller builds, but atomically I couldn't be more proud. | :11:21. | :11:24. | |
It begs the question, though, if you can make a diamond from scratch, | :11:24. | :11:28. | |
why don't you turn the gas on a bit more and make a bloomin' big one, | :11:28. | :11:31. | |
then we can all retire? Ooh, yes, please! I'm slightly limited by my | :11:32. | :11:35. | |
flame size, but the size of the diamond is not the point. It's by | :11:35. | :11:39. | |
growing our own diamonds that we can make them more pure than nature. | :11:39. | :11:44. | |
Oh, interesting. I'm presuming you could also add certain impurities, | :11:45. | :11:47. | |
depending on the type of function you want that diamond to have? | :11:48. | :11:51. | |
That's exactly it. You add a bit of boron to the diamond, and suddenly | :11:51. | :11:54. | |
it conducts electricity. And you can even inject individual atoms in | :11:54. | :11:57. | |
there, and you're sort of halfway to a quantum computer. The more | :11:57. | :12:00. | |
we're discovering about diamonds, it's almost the more astonishing | :12:00. | :12:03. | |
and useful they're becoming. Yes, indeed. Moving on, as you know, the | :12:03. | :12:06. | |
ever-popular Dr Yan likes to get out and about, bringing science to | :12:06. | :12:09. | |
a place near you. And this week he's turned his attention to the | :12:09. | :12:14. | |
quintessential cinema snack popcorn. Salty or sweet? Salt. Sweet. | :12:14. | :12:18. | |
salt all the way. It's got to be salt. �76 million worth of the | :12:18. | :12:21. | |
stuff is eaten every year, but how exactly does corn turn into | :12:21. | :12:27. | |
It's one of our favourite movie snacks, but have you ever wondered | :12:27. | :12:31. | |
what makes popcorn pop? How to get from these hard kernels of corn to | :12:31. | :12:37. | |
this lovely, fluffy popcorn? It's absolutely amazing when you watch | :12:37. | :12:40. | |
it happen. Just look! That's brilliant! It's like a mini | :12:40. | :12:50. | |
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It's not just luck that popcorn pops so well. It's actually a sub- | :13:08. | :13:11. | |
species of maize called Zea mays averta that's been selectively bred | :13:11. | :13:14. | |
to have ideal popping qualities. Firstly, a popcorn kernel has a | :13:14. | :13:17. | |
hard outer coating and it's much tougher and thicker than in the | :13:17. | :13:21. | |
other grains. And that makes each of these kernels act a bit like a | :13:21. | :13:25. | |
mini pressure cooker. As the temperature in there goes up and | :13:25. | :13:28. | |
gets to over 100 degrees, then the moisture inside tries to turn to | :13:28. | :13:34. | |
steam and expand. But of course it can't, because it's trapped inside. | :13:34. | :13:38. | |
As the temperature goes up, the pressure goes up, too. And when | :13:38. | :13:41. | |
that temperature gets to over 180 degrees or so, the pressure in | :13:41. | :13:45. | |
there is so high that the outer coating can't take it anymore, and | :13:45. | :13:54. | |
the popcorn literally explodes. Now, that tough, dry coating is | :13:54. | :14:02. | |
absolutely crucial. If it's got a split or a crack in it, like this | :14:02. | :14:05. | |
one, or if it's soft and wet, like these ones, then the pressure just | :14:05. | :14:08. | |
won't build up. The crack here, that just lets the steam out as | :14:08. | :14:15. | |
soon as it's formed. And the soft coat here, that makes the popcorn | :14:15. | :14:19. | |
pop too early. So instead of nice white, fluffy things like this, you | :14:19. | :14:24. | |
get this. It's only when everything's just right that you're | :14:24. | :14:32. | |
guaranteed the perfect pop. But the pop's only half the story. It | :14:32. | :14:35. | |
doesn't explain why we end up with nice fluffy, white stuff. For that, | :14:35. | :14:39. | |
we've got to look inside the kernel, so I'm going to cut one open and | :14:39. | :14:49. | |
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show you. Now, the white bit at the bottom there, that's the embryo, | :14:49. | :14:52. | |
and that's what would grow if I planted it. What's important for | :14:52. | :14:55. | |
the pop is this yellow bit at top, and that's called the endosperm, | :14:55. | :15:02. | |
and it's full of starch. Starch is basically just lots of little | :15:02. | :15:08. | |
glucose molecules all joined together into long strands. And | :15:08. | :15:11. | |
those strands are really neatly packed together, a bit like this | :15:11. | :15:16. | |
spaghetti, forming orderly granules. But when you heat the popcorn | :15:16. | :15:20. | |
kernel, then that starch changes. Between about 65 and 80 degrees, | :15:20. | :15:28. | |
that compact structure starts to break apart. You end up with a | :15:28. | :15:30. | |
disordered mix of long, floppy strands, which get all tangled | :15:30. | :15:34. | |
together, leaving you with a thick, gloopy mess. It's the combination | :15:34. | :15:37. | |
of that gloopy starch and the high- pressure explosion which gives us | :15:37. | :15:41. | |
the perfect popcorn. You see, when the coat ruptures, then the high | :15:41. | :15:44. | |
pressure inside is suddenly released and the hot water in there | :15:44. | :15:50. | |
instantly turns to steam. And that makes it expand over 1000 times in | :15:50. | :15:53. | |
volume and stretches out that thick, gloopy starch into a mass of foamy | :15:53. | :16:03. | |
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bubbles, which set to give us that perfect fluffy, white popcorn. | :16:09. | :16:13. | |
sorry, is Dr Yan looking even more showbiz this series, or is it just | :16:13. | :16:16. | |
me? He's looking good, he's gunning for Strictly, I reckon. Spray tan! | :16:16. | :16:19. | |
He does look a little slick, but that's not what struck me about the | :16:20. | :16:22. | |
film. What really shocked me was the horrific experience that these | :16:22. | :16:26. | |
little fellas go through on the way to becoming a popcorn. Those | :16:26. | :16:29. | |
boiling-liquid explosions are about as bad as it gets, and at the | :16:29. | :16:31. | |
temperatures Dr Yan was talking about, the steam pressure in here | :16:31. | :16:37. | |
would be getting on for five times what you'd get in a car tyre. | :16:37. | :16:40. | |
a lot. It's just nasty. It is, but please don't put that back in the | :16:41. | :16:44. | |
bowl - look at the state of your fingers! Does he ever wash his | :16:44. | :16:47. | |
hands? He's never washed his hands! Anyway, for the next eight weeks, | :16:47. | :16:50. | |
we're going to be setting you a little science-y brainteaser, and | :16:50. | :16:53. | |
this is the first one. They're courtesy of Dr Yan, of course. | :16:53. | :16:56. | |
We've got two airports here, A and B, and we've got a plane that's | :16:56. | :17:00. | |
making a round trip from A to B at constant air speed, with no wind | :17:00. | :17:03. | |
blowing in any direction. OK? With me so far? Trip two, however, | :17:03. | :17:08. | |
there's wind blowing from A to B. So, the plane is flying with wind | :17:08. | :17:12. | |
behind it, and then returning with wind against it. The question is, | :17:12. | :17:18. | |
is trip one shorter or faster or the same length as trip two? I know | :17:18. | :17:22. | |
the answer to this. Do you know the answer to this? I think I do, | :17:22. | :17:26. | |
anyway. Bonus question for both of you - any idea what kind of plane | :17:26. | :17:29. | |
that is? Little red one. You should know. It's a Hawk. Oh. I think | :17:29. | :17:33. | |
you've been in one of those. I've been in one. Yes, I've been in one | :17:33. | :17:36. | |
of those. It was black. If this had been black, I would have totally | :17:36. | :17:39. | |
recognised it. If you're stumped by this little brainteaser, Dr Yan | :17:39. | :17:42. | |
explains it very eloquently on our website. As always, it's /bang. | :17:42. | :17:45. | |
While you're there on the website, check out the dates and details of | :17:45. | :17:48. | |
our Bang live shows. We're across the UK this summer, so make sure | :17:48. | :17:53. | |
you book your free tickets at /bang. Yes, and we'll see you there at the | :17:53. | :17:57. | |
road shows. OK, up next, a word we all dread, it's a word we all fear, | :17:57. | :18:00. | |
and it's cancer, because one in three of us is going to get some | :18:00. | :18:04. | |
form of cancer. It really is something that affects all of us, | :18:04. | :18:06. | |
either directly or indirectly. My own sister is recovering from | :18:06. | :18:09. | |
breast cancer at the moment, and like all families, you feel like | :18:09. | :18:13. | |
you want to do something to help, go on a fun run, raise money for | :18:13. | :18:17. | |
charity. But it got me thinking, what actually happens to all that | :18:17. | :18:21. | |
money that we raise, particularly the money that goes into research? | :18:21. | :18:25. | |
Are we any closer to finding a cure? Before we get into that, what | :18:25. | :18:28. | |
actually is cancer? Very simply, it's when the cells in our body | :18:29. | :18:37. | |
start to behave abnormally, but how And just a quick word of warning - | :18:37. | :18:41. | |
there are scenes in this film that some of you might be a little bit | :18:41. | :18:45. | |
uncomfortable with. So, imagine for a moment that this tower is a cell, | :18:45. | :18:49. | |
OK? Each one of these blocks here is a cell process, so things like | :18:49. | :18:51. | |
controlling the rate of growth, knowing when to stop growing when | :18:51. | :18:56. | |
it's big enough or when to die when it's past its usefulness. The thing | :18:56. | :18:59. | |
is, each one of these cell processes is controlled by your | :18:59. | :19:03. | |
genes very, very tightly. Your genes are constantly undergoing | :19:03. | :19:06. | |
mutations or changes Which directly affects the cell processes that | :19:06. | :19:15. | |
they're controlling. These mutations can be caused by a whole | :19:15. | :19:18. | |
raft of things - things like smoking or drinking too much, or | :19:18. | :19:21. | |
staying out too long in the sun. Now, quite often, these mutations | :19:21. | :19:26. | |
can fix themselves, and everything's OK. But sometimes they | :19:26. | :19:29. | |
can be a lot more serious. Within our cells, there are six hallmark | :19:29. | :19:34. | |
processes Which lead to cancer. If you're very unlucky, damage to just | :19:34. | :19:37. | |
one of these processes could trigger cancer, but you'd have to | :19:37. | :19:40. | |
be really, really unlucky. But if that same cell accumulates more | :19:40. | :19:42. | |
mutations that damage more of these key hallmark processes, it becomes | :19:42. | :19:52. | |
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more and more likely that that cell The trouble really comes when, | :19:58. | :20:00. | |
perhaps over many years, the cell accumulates all six of these | :20:01. | :20:03. | |
hallmark changes, and when the final cell process is damaged, then | :20:03. | :20:13. | |
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that person is going to develop cancer. So, given that we know how | :20:16. | :20:19. | |
genetic mutations cause cancer, and that it's a problem affecting | :20:19. | :20:22. | |
around 13 million people every year, including my sister, I wonder why | :20:22. | :20:30. | |
doctors can't just fix it once and To answer that, I've come to see | :20:30. | :20:32. | |
James Flanagan, a research scientist who's already devoted a | :20:32. | :20:38. | |
decade of his life to beating breast cancer. Why don't we have a | :20:38. | :20:42. | |
cure yet? Why don't we have a cure for cancer? That's a tough question. | :20:42. | :20:48. | |
The obvious answer is that cancers are clever. Let's think about a | :20:48. | :20:50. | |
cancer cell, everything's gone wrong in that cancer cell. | :20:50. | :20:54. | |
cell? One cell, eventually something goes wrong. It turns into | :20:54. | :20:58. | |
a cancer cell. Yeah. And that cancer cell then divides - two | :20:58. | :21:01. | |
cancer cells, four cancer cells, and then it expands from there. | :21:01. | :21:04. | |
Each time it expands, because all sorts of weird things are going on | :21:04. | :21:07. | |
in that cell, different changes are happening to different parts of | :21:07. | :21:11. | |
that cell, so by the end, when you've got a large lump, all of | :21:11. | :21:14. | |
those cells are very different. When we've developed our therapies, | :21:14. | :21:17. | |
we've taken that lump and developed them based on the combination of | :21:17. | :21:21. | |
that entire lump. So we've got a therapy that targets the majority | :21:21. | :21:26. | |
of those cells. You might kill them all off, but there'll be some, | :21:26. | :21:28. | |
because of that evolutionary change, resistant to that therapy, for | :21:28. | :21:34. | |
instance. To make matters worse, cancer cells differ between | :21:34. | :21:38. | |
different individuals. That means James and his researchers have to | :21:38. | :21:41. | |
test their experimental treatments on huge numbers of real human | :21:41. | :21:45. | |
tumour samples. So, we want information that's consistent and | :21:45. | :21:49. | |
applicable to the general population. So if you study 100 | :21:49. | :21:52. | |
tumours, there's no reason to think that what you discover in that 100 | :21:52. | :21:55. | |
tumours is going to be applicable to 47,000 tumours, Which is what | :21:55. | :22:04. | |
happens every year. What you want to be doing is looking at as many | :22:04. | :22:06. | |
tumours as possible, to get the information as consistent as | :22:06. | :22:09. | |
possible. Up to now, getting hold of large numbers of samples has | :22:09. | :22:13. | |
been difficult, for a whole host of reasons, but a new initiative is | :22:13. | :22:16. | |
going to give researchers like James access to much-needed tissue. | :22:17. | :22:19. | |
Louise Jones is a pathologist who's helping to pioneer a brand-new | :22:19. | :22:24. | |
breast-cancer tissue bank. She works with tissue that's been taken | :22:24. | :22:29. | |
from cancer patients. Hi Louise, I've got the tissue from theatre. | :22:29. | :22:32. | |
Great, thanks. Before taking any samples for the bank, she carries | :22:32. | :22:37. | |
out a routine diagnosis. So, this is a fresh tissue sample from | :22:37. | :22:40. | |
somebody who's still in theatre? Exactly. So, what's the process | :22:40. | :22:44. | |
now? The first thing that we're going to do is paint the surface of | :22:44. | :22:48. | |
it. The reason that we do that is that it marks the margins, so if | :22:48. | :22:51. | |
any abnormality goes to the paint, then we know that that is too close | :22:51. | :22:57. | |
to the patient. So it's a marker? It's a marker, exactly. And so now, | :22:57. | :23:01. | |
what we have to do is actually cut it. Ugh, this is the bit where I | :23:01. | :23:07. | |
look away. What we're trying to ensure is that there's no tumour in | :23:07. | :23:13. | |
here that we would have to alert the surgeon to straightaway. How's | :23:13. | :23:16. | |
it looking? It looks completely normal. There's no evidence of a | :23:16. | :23:20. | |
tumour in it. So in terms of the tissue bank now, what's the next | :23:20. | :23:24. | |
step? We're still interested in keeping normal tissue in the tissue | :23:24. | :23:28. | |
bank, as a good control. So, what we're going to do now is select an | :23:29. | :23:32. | |
area that we can then freeze down. OK. So, we just dissect out and | :23:32. | :23:35. | |
area, and the idea is to freeze down very small pieces, because | :23:35. | :23:42. | |
they will freeze then very rapidly. And then, in fact, we actually put | :23:42. | :23:45. | |
it onto foil, just ordinary foil, because this allows us to freeze | :23:45. | :23:53. | |
multiple pieces simultaneously. So now, I'm going to just immerse | :23:53. | :23:59. | |
it into this liquid nitrogen that we've got here. Which is super cold. | :23:59. | :24:04. | |
So that's instantly freezing it. Absolutely, yeah. And then Sally | :24:04. | :24:07. | |
will transfer those pieces of tissue into small tubes, Which will | :24:07. | :24:10. | |
allow us to bank each piece of tissue separately for a long-term | :24:10. | :24:19. | |
storage. Right. Thankfully, this patient didn't have a tumour, but | :24:19. | :24:22. | |
more often than not, Louise receives samples Which do contain | :24:22. | :24:28. | |
cancerous tissue. Yesterday, we had a case, a specimen from a lady who | :24:28. | :24:33. | |
has got breast cancer. The yellow is the background fatty tissue, and | :24:33. | :24:38. | |
this is the tumour, Which you can see quite clearly. Very pale, round | :24:38. | :24:43. | |
tumour. Just looking at that, is that considered to be a large | :24:43. | :24:47. | |
tumour? This is a fairly large tumour, Which obviously means it's | :24:47. | :24:52. | |
possible for us to take additional tissue for research. At this point, | :24:52. | :24:55. | |
I was starting to feel uneasy, thinking about this patient, and, | :24:55. | :25:00. | |
indeed, my own sister's condition. And then we need to take our | :25:00. | :25:05. | |
specimens back to the tissue bank. OK, can we go and see the tissue | :25:05. | :25:08. | |
bank? Yes. Brilliant. The tissue bank is on another site, and Louise | :25:08. | :25:13. | |
routinely walks samples through the streets of London. It's housed in a | :25:13. | :25:17. | |
very unassuming building simply known as the cryo-shed. Oh, wow, it | :25:17. | :25:21. | |
really is a shed. This is the cryo- shed! When you said cryo-shed, I | :25:21. | :25:25. | |
didn't really believe the shed bit, but it's a shed. In this one small | :25:25. | :25:31. | |
building, tens of thousands of samples can be stored. Here we are. | :25:31. | :25:35. | |
It looks quite lo-tech. They're kept at a nippy minus 184 degrees, | :25:35. | :25:43. | |
and will only be defrosted when they're needed for vital research. | :25:43. | :25:48. | |
How important is the tissue bank, this facility? It's going to make a | :25:48. | :25:50. | |
difference because, ultimately, anything that makes a difference | :25:50. | :25:54. | |
has to be proven in tissue samples first, so availability of this kind | :25:54. | :26:02. | |
of tissue to researchers will make a difference. It seems amazing that | :26:02. | :26:06. | |
such a basic problem as not having enough tissue has been holding up | :26:06. | :26:09. | |
breast-cancer research. But according to James Flanagan, | :26:09. | :26:15. | |
something as simple as this could revolutionise his work. I think the | :26:15. | :26:18. | |
breast-cancer tissue bank will actually have a big impact because | :26:18. | :26:23. | |
of the numbers of samples that they're collecting. So what for you | :26:23. | :26:27. | |
personally is the goal? What's the endgame? For me, the research goal | :26:27. | :26:31. | |
is to end up where you get to a point where you can say nobody is | :26:31. | :26:34. | |
dying from breast cancer. Is that achievable? Are we ever going to | :26:34. | :26:37. | |
get zero people dying from breast cancer? I think so. In our | :26:37. | :26:44. | |
lifetime? I think so, in my career. You're a young man! I have a long | :26:44. | :26:47. | |
career ahead of me, hopefully, but hopefully within my career I'll be | :26:47. | :26:50. | |
able to say that we've actually taken the mortality rate down to | :26:50. | :26:54. |