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Hello, and welcome to Bang.

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We're here to bring you the science behind the headlines.

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We've been busy researching the issues that affect us all

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and have a real impact on our lives.

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It seems like food is always in the news.

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What's good for you, what's bad for you, the latest diet fad,

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and, of course, the latest health scare.

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In the past, things like fat and salt have come under fire,

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but nowadays it seems to be sugar that's in the dietary dock.

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Sugar is a billion-pound industry.

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In the UK we consume over two million tons of the stuff

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every single year, often without realising it.

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It causes tooth decay, but what else?

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Obesity, diabetes, heart disease.

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-So do you monitor the amount of sugar in your diet?

-No, I love sugar.

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It gives you a boost for a wee while

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and then you have a big comedown from it.

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When it comes to children, sugary drinks,

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too much sugar makes them hyper.

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Too much is bad for you, really.

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I take a lot of sugar in stuff, like in my tea I have, like, four sugars and stuff.

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My wife has an extremely sweet tooth.

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She can eat a box of chocolates at one sitting,

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and I'm talking a big box of chocolates.

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Coming up - the pros and cons of all things sweet.

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Liz finds out why we have such a sweet tooth.

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Without sugar, our cells couldn't do their jobs,

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our muscles wouldn't work,

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and most importantly, our brains simply wouldn't function.

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We meet the doctor horrified to find his diet

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has given him fatty liver disease.

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It's maybe a wake-up call

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that actually I need to change my lifestyle,

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because this will only get worse, if I don't do something dramatic.

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And Maggie discovers that sugar is also a secret weapon

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in our fight against infection.

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What I really love about this is that it's so elegant.

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It's a neat, simple idea that addresses a massive problem.

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Tonight on Bang Goes The Theory - sugar.

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-Right, do you use sugar at all?

-Yes, I do. White sugar in my tea.

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-White sugar.

-OK.

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So, if you're looking at these sugars,

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do you feel that any of them

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are healthier or better for you than others?

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I should imagine brown sugar's probably more healthy for you.

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I'd probably say generally the darker the food is

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I'd generally associate that with health,

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so I'd probably say probably the darker sugar.

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I would probably say the honey and the brown sugars.

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They're less processed.

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Would you use any particular sugar rather than another

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because you might think it was either better for you or healthier?

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No, cos all sugar's the same,

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there's obviously just different bleachings.

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-I do tend to buy brown sugar rather than white sugar.

-And why is that?

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I don't know why. I think it just looks more healthy.

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So, first in the dock, white sugar - sucrose.

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Is it really as processed, bleached and unnatural as people think?

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Over the past few months,

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thousands of tons of sucrose

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has been created just under the ground here,

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and it's been created inside...

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these fellas.

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Sugar beets.

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Over 7,000 farmers produce 9 million tons of beet in the UK every year.

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It's one of the most profitable crops in the country.

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Incredibly, this root vegetable could be almost 20% sugar by weight,

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but the trick is getting that sugar out.

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I want to make some granulated white sugar myself.

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Essentially, I just need to get rid of all the bits of beet

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that aren't sucrose.

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It's stored inside the cells of the beet,

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so we need to chop it up to expose as many cells as possible,

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then drop it in hot water.

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I'm actually going to turn that off,

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because I don't want the water boiling,

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because then it starts destroying the cells of the plant.

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I just want it hot enough that the sugar that's within those cells

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just happily diffuses out into the warm water.

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70-80 degrees is about right.

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While I leave that to simmer, this exact process is happening

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just across the field on an industrial scale.

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This is the Wissington Refinery in Norfolk.

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It's the largest beet sugar factory in the world.

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The beets are delivered by the truckload

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to that massive pile over there,

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where high pressure water

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forces them to flow up those two huge metal pipes.

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I guess from there it's a bit of a log flume.

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They float down and round the corner,

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being washed of stone and soil.

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And actually the stones and soil

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are then sold off as topsoil and aggregates.

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Nothing's wasted.

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Maybe the fun stops for the beet at that point,

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because in there is a vast chipping machine

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and it cuts the beet into these fine little slices,

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which have plenty of surface area for extracting sugar and...

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taste OK.

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In these rotating drums,

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the sugar diffuses out into hot water.

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Just like it has in my saucepan.

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What's left is a dirty, sugary juice.

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That's beginning to taste very sweet.

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So now I've got rid of almost everything about those sugar beet that isn't sugar.

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I say almost everything,

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because in this dirty water here,

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it might be about half a kilo of sugar,

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but also there's a few proteins and a few minerals

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and little bits of soil that I don't really want.

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I can easily get rid of all that muck

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with the help of some milk of lime

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and a bit of carbon dioxide from a fizzy drinks maker.

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Between them, they combine to make chalk,

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which helps sink everything to the bottom.

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That's settled out beautifully.

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The chalky deposit at the bottom there

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has pretty much taken out everything else that was a bit sugar beet-y

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and that water at the top is almost just sugar and water now.

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Next job - to reduce down the liquid into a thick syrup.

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Boiling's good for that.

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But as it thickens up,

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I risk it getting too hot and spoiling the sucrose...

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so I create a partial vacuum in the pan

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to boil it at a lower temperature.

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It's not difficult to make a syrupy solution,

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but to make actual real sugar crystals is quite hard.

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Now, it is a bit of a dark art, but...

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I think there's a chance

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that I might have got that concentrated enough now

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so that as it cools it could grow real sugar crystals.

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So I'm going to pour it off into here and leave it to do its stuff.

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Under a microscope,

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you can see sugar crystals appearing at the edge of the syrup.

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The longer you leave it, the bigger the crystals grow.

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I've decided it's best to come inside

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for the high-pressure finale of the sugar-refining process.

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What I've got in here is an incredibly sticky brown syrup

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and in it has grown a kind of multitude of tiny sugar crystals.

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What I need to do now is the almost impossible task

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of separating one from the other,

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and for that, I've built a centrifuge.

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Well, it's actually the old food processor,

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to which I've made something

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that's like a miniature washing machine drum.

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I'm going to put these on,

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because the accelerations necessary

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to separate sticky syrup from tiny sugar crystals

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are quite frightening.

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Right. One, two, three.

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Oh, you can see the syrup out there!

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The syrup's been flung straight out onto the sides of the bowl,

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hopefully leaving the crystals behind inside.

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Look!

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It's going white in there,

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you can see all the syrup coming out.

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And the stunning thing is,

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for all it started out as a dirty brown mass,

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the sugar that's left behind is almost pure white.

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Right, I'm going to take that apart. I mean, turn it down.

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Look at that!

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It's kind of...just white sugar.

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'That is my favourite bit of the process,

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'and they have a centrifuge just like mine at the refinery.'

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And this is it.

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'Only a whole lot bigger... and more powerful.'

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This uses kind of G-force just to fling out the brown syrup

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and leave behind the pure-white sugar crystals.

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And that really is.

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It's not bleached, it's not dyed, that's how sugar grows.

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Once you fling off the brown syrup that it grows in,

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it is left with these pure-white crystals.

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And if you want brown sugar,

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you can either crystallise it earlier on in the process,

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or you take the pure crystals

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and then they put on a tiny bit of the molasses that they've removed

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to get brown sugar.

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In other words,

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white sugar can actually be less processed than brown sugar.

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So is sucrose good or bad for you depending on where it comes from?

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No.

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Sucrose is sucrose, whether you find it in fruit,

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a sweet or a vegetable,

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and this factory is not making sucrose,

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it's extracting it from a vegetable that grows in a field down the road.

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But sucrose is not the only sugar that we find in our food.

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Fruit has lots of fructose and there's another,

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perhaps the most important sugar, glucose.

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The universal energy source for almost all life on Earth.

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That reaction right there

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shows you how much energy is available from just one jelly baby.

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And that holds the key to our next big question -

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why do we like sugar so much?

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Now, we need energy to function,

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for all of our cellular processes to work properly,

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and our cells get that energy from sugar.

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Without sugar, our cells couldn't do their jobs,

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our muscles wouldn't work, and most importantly,

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our brains simply wouldn't function.

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In fact, our brains are almost entirely dependent

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on glucose for energy.

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Glucose is so important to our brains

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that our taste for sugar is deeply rooted in our evolution.

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For our early ancestors, naturally-occurring sugar was rare.

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But, just like today's hunter-gatherers,

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they would go to great lengths to get hold of it.

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But our love of sugar might not just be down to the energy it provides.

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Researchers believe it can activate the release of endorphins

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and neurotransmitters like dopamine in the brain,

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that gives us a sense of exhilaration - a sugar rush.

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And that rush seems to go beyond simple pleasure -

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the mere taste of sugar might literally switch us on.

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So we can see how,

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Dr Tiina Eilola has asked me to take a classic test of mental agility.

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OK, this is it.

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Right.

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So, basically, what we're going to do

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is we're going to run a classic Stroop experiment.

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A Stroop experiment? OK.

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'I'll do this test twice,

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'each time swilling a different liquid round my mouth.

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'Once with glucose.' Excuse me. 'Once with a sweetener.' Here we go.

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'All I need to do is name the colour of the text, not read the word.'

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-Got that wrong.

-And now you're going to have the second drink.

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Oops...

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98.33%.

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This is the end of the experiment.

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'With the test over,

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'Tiina reveals that the second drink had the glucose in it.'

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Crucially, I didn't drink either of them,

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I just tasted both.

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OK, so, how did I perform in test one, sweetener,

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-versus test two, glucose?

-OK.

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So, what I can see from your reactions, you were overall faster

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when you had the sugar drink

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-than when you got the sweetened drink.

-OK.

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So I performed better when I tasted glucose

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than when I tasted artificial sweetener.

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-That's right.

-That's really interesting, right,

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because obviously it's not about energy release,

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it's about something else.

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Well, in this particular task,

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what it's really testing

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is your ability to ignore irrelevant information,

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in favour of the information that is relevant for a particular task.

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This shows that glucose

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triggers a direct link from the tongue to the brain

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and seems to boost our mood and our brain power,

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and that's what keeps us coming back for more.

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So essentially this is all about survival.

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It's almost like doubly, triply making sure

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that we will always eat sugar,

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and never forgetting how sugar is so important for us.

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That pleasure effect in our brain is so strong

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that some researchers believe

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that people really can become addicted to sugar,

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just like drink and drugs.

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In fact, there have been calls for sugar to be controlled,

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like we control alcohol and tobacco.

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So, still to come, I'll be meeting the doctor

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whose health depends on cutting out calories.

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Suddenly this wake-up call, actually I need to change, you know,

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my lifestyle, because this will only get worse.

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And I discover how it's being used as a secret weapon against disease.

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It's a neat, simple idea that addresses a massive problem.

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And Liz is on the case of artificial sweeteners.

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But first, just how bad is sugar's health reputation?

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I think there's more negatives towards sugar,

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on the news and TV programmes.

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No, I think it's definitely more negative than positive.

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Decays the teeth, I know that. I've still got my own teeth.

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If you're eating more sugar,

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obviously you're going to have more calories,

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so it means you're going to put on weight.

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Is sugar really such a health hazard?

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Well, when Scott Nelson fell ill, it was certainly a suspect.

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Scott is a doctor at the maternity unit at Glasgow Royal Infirmary,

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where chocolate is never far away.

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People are always very grateful for having babies.

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Quite often they bring chocolates as a gift and so on,

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so if you're in the labour ward in the middle of the night,

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there's normally coffee and chocolates hand-in-hand,

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and that's just part of what we're accustomed to.

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'A couple of years ago he started to feel unwell.'

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I wasn't feeling that great, I was tired all the time, I thought,

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"What's going on." I thought, "Let's do some blood tests."

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It was my liver function tests that were abnormal.

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Scott had fatty liver disease,

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a problem normally associated with obesity and alcohol abuse.

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I guess it was quite striking, because I don't drink,

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and suddenly - what was going on?

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So when you got that diagnosis that you'd got fatty liver disease,

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how did you feel?

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I think I was pretty shocked. I thought I was essentially healthy

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and then suddenly here I was

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having completely abnormal liver function tests.

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Caused a huge amount of abuse from my colleagues,

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who suddenly thought, here's this person who never drinks,

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has never drunk, and suddenly he's got abnormal liver function test.

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So Scott went to see a specialist, Professor Naveed Sattar.

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He told Scott that when you eat more calories than you burn off,

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one of the places fat can build up

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is your liver.

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The consequence of that is that the liver doesn't work as well,

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particularly in its ability to handle sugar metabolism.

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This can lead to other, more serious, health problems.

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The consequence for the individual is their sugar levels tend to rise

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and so liver fat is linked to a higher diabetes risk

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in many individuals.

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Also, in a small proportion, they'll have an increased likelihood

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of developing cirrhosis and potentially liver cancer.

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Suddenly, maybe, this wake-up call,

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actually, I need to change my lifestyle

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because this will only get worse if I don't do something dramatic.

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So, Scott cut down on the chocolates and canteen dinners,

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and took up cycling.

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How do you feel? Has it made a real difference to how you feel?

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There's no doubt that it makes a big difference.

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The whole, kind of,

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just doing exercise makes a difference.

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You know, I've got more energy, that's fantastic for the family.

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Being able to do things more, you're a lot less lethargic.

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Scott's not alone.

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It's thought one in five adults in the UK

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suffer from non-alcoholic fatty liver disease

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and it's on the increase.

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But sugar may not be entirely to blame.

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By and large, the average individual

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who has an over-consumption of calories, excess refined sugar,

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is part of that package of excess caloric intake.

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It's just calories, in any form, that are the problem.

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So is sugar the health hazard we think it is?

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If someone is healthy and does not have excess fat

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in the liver, of course they do not need to avoid sugar.

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The key thing with diet, of course, is to have a moderate intake

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as befits their lifestyle.

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Periods where they'll need excess sugar when they're exercising, periods when they will not.

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The truth is, sugar has no more calories than protein

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and has fewer than fat.

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Doctors do worry that the amount of sugar in processed foods

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makes it all too easy to eat more than our bodies can handle,

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because we don't always know when we're eating it.

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I'd like you to tell me how much sugar you think

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is in each of these drinks. You got a popular cola drink,

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a blackcurrant drink and a fruit juice, OK?

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So, you know, using these little sugar cubes as a visual aid,

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would you mind placing these bottles where you think they belong?

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I thought that, maybe, that could go there.

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-I think this has the most sugar in.

-So place it where you think.

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I would say fruit juice the least.

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-Least in the cola? It's a real cola drink.

-Oh, sorry.

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-We'll go here.

-Not far behind.

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Well, I can now reveal,

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-that they actually all have the exact same amount of sugar.

-Oh!

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-About 50 grams of sugar.

-That surprising, yeah.

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The same amount of sugar. Around about 50 grams.

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-That's amazing.

-Isn't it?

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I thought there'd be some sort of difference.

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What about the sugar in foods, then?

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I want you to tell me which of these three meals

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you think has the most sugar to the least sugar?

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You've got a popular burger.

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We've got a low-fat cheese and pasta bake

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and we've got tomato soup.

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I think that the bake might have the most.

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I think tomato soup.

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-I think the soup, actually, tomato.

-Tomato soup?

-Yeah.

-Most sugar?

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-Probably the soup.

-And what would be next?

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-The burger.

-Yeah.

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-Soup, then burger, then pasta dish?

-Yeah, agreed.

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OK, I can now reveal...

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-Are you excited?

-Yeah.

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That the dish with the most sugar

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is actually the diet tomato and cheese pasta. OK?

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Then the soup, then the burger

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because many diet foods have lest fat.

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The flavour then is lacking, so what manufacturers do

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is they pump it full of sugar so it tastes better.

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-Interesting, isn't it?

-It is.

-Wow!

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Yeah, it can be quite surprisingly just how much sugar

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there is in everyday foods that we eat.

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But it all has to be listed on the label

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and the World Health Organisation recommends that we take

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on board no more than 10% of our calories from added sugar.

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You've probably all heard about high fructose corn syrup,

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a particular type of sugar syrup that's added to lots of food and drink in the US.

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There is some debate about whether such high levels of fructose could be bad for you

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because it overloads the liver and ultimately leads

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to greater fat deposition in the body, than other sugars.

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And, although, we don't use high fructose corn syrup in this country,

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we do add fructose to our food.

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So, it is an area of research that's well worth keeping an eye on.

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Now, some people are concerned that they do eat too much sugar

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and they've opted to use artificial sweeteners instead.

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But are artificial sweeteners a safe alternative?

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To find out, I'm going to make my own with chemicals in the lab.

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This is quite good fun, actually.

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OK, so cyclamic acid, hydrochloric acid, barium chloride,

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all in solution.

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They sound quite ominous as chemicals,

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but like all good chemical reactions, if you combine them

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in the right proportions, you get some interesting products.

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The last ingredient, though, is this stuff, sodium nitrite.

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Watch what happens when I combine the sodium nitrite

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with the rest of the chemicals. Here we go.

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There you have it, the precipitated salt

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of cyclamic acid, or sodium cyclamate,

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which is an artificial sweetener.

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Because of the risk of contamination I can't taste my sweetener,

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so time for more technical kit to see if it's the real thing.

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OK, now for the interesting bit.

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The sample's been analysed and, if I've got the chemistry right,

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there should be a peak appearing on this graph, around about here,

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indicating sodium cyclamate. Let's check it out.

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Bingo! There it is. I've made sodium cyclamate.

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Most of the sweeteners in our drink, in our food,

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are made in the lab, in a similar way.

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The most popular sweetener, aspartame,

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is made by synthesising two naturally occurring amino acids,

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joining them together to produce an entirely man-made substance.

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People are suspicious of artificial sweeteners

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because they're made in a lab, but are they doing us any harm?

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I asked an expert toxicologist if we should worry.

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The truth is, they have been extensively tested,

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both in animals and in humans

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and there's really no evidence

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that they cause any harm with the levels we're exposed to at all.

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Why would people think it's a good idea for a major food

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producing company to poison their consumers? That's not good business.

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Well, some people would argue the immediacy of a quick buck

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without doing the proper tests, but that's part of the reason, isn't it?

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If you're saying, categorically, there's nothing to worry about,

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why do people still worry?

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If I say "aspartame" to most people, they go,

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"Oh, yeah, it causes cancer, really bad for you."

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Aspartame has been through more studies than almost any additive in our diet.

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We have no evidence that, no matter how much of these sweeteners you consume,

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you would ever get cancer.

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-That's categorical?

-That's categorical.

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There's no well-conducted study on the sweeteners

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we're using today causing cancer.

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So the evidence suggests artificial sweeteners don't do any harm.

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At least, not at the levels people consume them.

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There's more about artificial sweeteners on our website, bbc.co.uk/bang.

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Now, our final story on sugar has nothing to do with eating the stuff.

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it turns out it can be a real lifesaver when used in medicine.

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Medical uses for sugar, mainly in the form of honey,

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have been around for thousands of years.

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Papyrus scrolls, like these from ancient Egypt,

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are some of the earliest written medical records

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and it's absolutely fascinating when you go through them.

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You can see that honey is frequently mentioned as one of the key

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ingredients for treating wounds.

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Thousands of years later, modern clinical trials have shown

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that certain honeys do indeed have antibacterial properties.

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Medical grade honeys, like these, are routinely used in hospitals up and down the country.

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Treating infected wounds with sugar is one thing,

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but using sugar to prevent illness could be even better.

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Vaccines like these prevent lethal diseases of all kinds.

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They are one of the most effective health protection measures ever.

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But they can be difficult and costly to administer

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because it's vital that they're kept refrigerated

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from the moment when they're produced to the moment when they're injected into the patient.

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Shockingly, up to half of all vaccines have to be thrown away

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because when they warm up, the vaccine spoils.

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But a company in Leicester could be about to change all that with a little help from sugar.

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We know, that one of the real issues with vaccines is

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they have got to be transported under refrigeration. How can sugar help?

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Sugar is a well-known stabiliser.

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What we are essentially doing is we are mixing our vaccine

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with a sugar mixture and we dry that onto a membrane,

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a fibrous membrane.

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When the liquid dries, it changes into a sugar glass

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and once it's in a sugar glass format,

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the vaccine component that's trapped within the sugar,

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is completely protected from the external elements.

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The dried sugar keeps out any air or water

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and stops the vaccine from deteriorating.

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The dried pad is then packed into a plastic case.

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-So that doesn't need to be stored in the fridge?

-That certainly does not.

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Once it's been manufactured, it can stay outside the fridge

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in the room temperature for a very long period.

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The unit can easily be connected to a standard syringe

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and when saline solution is flushed through it,

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the sugar instantly dissolves,

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releasing the vaccine into the needle.

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It's lightweight and you can pack large quantities

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into a backpack, for example,

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if you want to do a vaccination campaign

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in a remote, developing country.

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So this could make a huge difference, couldn't it?

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It certainly will. It offers you the stabilisation properties.

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It's easy to deliver, manufacture

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and also administer in large vaccination programmes.

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This technology also cuts the cost of administering vaccines

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against killer diseases, like tetanus, diphtheria, TB and measles,

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which we all need to have.

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What I really love about this is, is that it's so elegant,

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it's a neat, simple idea that addresses a massive problem.

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It's all about thinking differently

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and, by thinking differently, potentially saving millions of lives.

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Well, it appears as though a spoonful of sugar may well help the medicine go down.

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That's it for this week.

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We are back, same time, same channel next Monday.

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Visit bbc.co.uk/bang to watch my explosive investigation

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into sugar's energy and for even more on sugar,

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including hyperactive kids and honeycombs,

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follow the links to The Open University.

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-Thanks for watching.

-Night.

-Good night.

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