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With its sparkling waters,

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looming mountains

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and heather-clad moorland,

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Denbighshire's got the lot.

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Denbighshire feels like a place that isn't really on the way to anywhere,

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an almost forgotten landscape.

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But you know what?

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It's all the better for it,

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because this is gorgeous.

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I'll be exploring this varied landscape

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as it springs back to life.

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Graham, what a place this is!

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It's absolutely glorious.

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Matt's on a hill farm, meeting a grandmother

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who's been recognised for her services to agriculture.

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Matt, you grab that. Thanks very much, that's good.

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Tom will be looking at what leaving the EU could mean for our farmers.

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-80% of my income comes from subsidies.

-Right.

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In today's climate, with all the costs involved,

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the sheep do not make enough profit to pay the bills.

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And Adam goes back to school,

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spending a day on the country's first sheepdog handling course.

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Lie down! Lie down!

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These are the future of British farming.

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Particularly managing sheep up in the fells here,

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learning sheepdog skills is essential.

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SHEEP BLEAT

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MATT BAKER: With fertile pastures and vistas to take your breath away,

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the largely rural county of Denbighshire in north-east Wales

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is framed on three sides

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by its majestic hill ranges.

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SHEEP BLEAT

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Do you know, it takes a certain strength of character

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to farm up here, high on the hillsides of North Wales.

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Even now, at the end of March,

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with the valleys full of spring flowers,

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it's still chilly 1,200 feet up.

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But I'm here to meet a lady from Denbigh

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who isn't fazed by any of that.

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That's it. Lovely!

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Matt, you grab that. Thanks very much, that's good.

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'In honour of Mothering Sunday,

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'I'm here with Welsh sheep-farming matriarch Daphne Tilley, MBE.'

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-Yeah, you show me the way.

-Right.

-This is Daphne.

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She's a real lamb-bassador for Welsh lamb.

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For the past quarter-century, Daphne has reared sheep

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high on the hillside here at Cefn Du Farm.

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Her lamb has fed statesmen like Barack Obama

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and become a menu staple at 80 of London's top restaurants.

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But Daphne's journey from Welsh sheep farm to Buckingham Palace

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was first triggered by a visit to the butcher.

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I went, er, just to visit a friend in London

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and the price of lamb was astronomical.

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Back in Wales, Daphne and her neighbours

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were getting rock-bottom prices for their lamb.

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It was a light-bulb moment.

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I thought, this is crazy, so I went home, said to the family,

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"Why aren't we selling ours direct to London?"

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And they said, "Mum, don't be so ridiculous.

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"You wouldn't dare take it up there."

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"What do you mean I wouldn't dare?"

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-I thought, I'll show them.

-Yeah.

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-Yeah. And you did.

-It can be done.

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So, armed with some tasty samples,

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Daphne jumped in a London taxi

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and doorstepped the capital's best restaurants,

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with a 100% success rate.

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What has it become today, then?

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I mean, how many farmers do you have involved with this,

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-and how many restaurants...?

-A lot of farmers are,

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because now we don't produce nearly enough meat for what we want.

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-Yeah, of course.

-So I buy it in the local auctions,

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all from Wales - born, bred,

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reared, slaughtered, everything within Wales.

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And is it working, from that perspective

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-and from that point of view?

-Yes.

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Well, it's certainly kept the price of lamb buoyant in London.

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Remember, the London restaurants are our advertisement, if you like.

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And... I don't mean us personally - Welsh lamb.

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And if they're using Welsh lamb

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and say, "Ooh, this is the best in the world",

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other people go and eat in all these restaurants all over London -

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"We've had Welsh lamb."

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Daphne's tireless promotion of Welsh lamb

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led her to being awarded an MBE.

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And it was her late son John

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who nominated her for the honour as a surprise.

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So what did you...?

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What did you make of that when you heard the news?

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I couldn't believe it.

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My son John, who was so ill with cancer at the time,

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was sitting in the house, he was pretty ill,

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and he did a lot of revision and research

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into what I'd done over the years,

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and he put it all together.

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But it wasn't till he was already dead,

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because there, the people who do the honours list,

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I suppose things take a long time.

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I knew nothing whatsoever about it,

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and it came through then, and I realised

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and that really, actually, made me cry.

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He'd done all that for you.

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Yeah, yeah.

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-I mean, the farm here, it still hits me.

-Aw.

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With the loss of her son John,

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Daphne's business hung in the balance.

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INDISTINCT SPEECH

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There's this one...

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But John's son James, then just 22,

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came to the family's rescue and stepped in to run the farm.

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You must be so proud of him.

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You know, the quality of the lamb that he's producing

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and what he's achieved.

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We are proud of him, we really are.

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He's done very well indeed.

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He's bought good rams, carried on doing what his father did.

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I was surprised, pleased...

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and there was so much for him to learn.

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-Mm.

-And we all make mistakes, he was bound to make mistakes,

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but he's made very few.

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Daphne's links with London restaurants

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go from strength to strength.

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Chefs like George Wood from Soho restaurant Temper

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have long been a fan of Daphne's lamb.

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Today, he's visiting the farm for the first time.

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When you put yourself into that vibe of that incredibly busy service,

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in the middle of London, it's all kicking off,

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the stress levels are unbelievable,

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and you are now here, looking out on this landscape -

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as a chef, what does this do for you?

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Obviously it's the dream, you know?

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You're seeing the life that they have

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before they come to the restaurant

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and the level of care that people go in

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to looking after these animals.

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I've known Daphne for four years now,

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so it's, you know, quite nice to finally get down to the farm

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and be here and see where the lamb comes from that I get in each week.

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Later, George will be cooking up a Mother's Day treat for Daphne.

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It's one of his top dishes currently setting London ablaze -

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fire-roasted lamb, direct from these Welsh hills.

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Well, Daphne's story is truly remarkable,

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and you'd better make sure that you're sitting comfortably now,

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because Tom also has a tale to tell.

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Once upon a time, not so very long ago,

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wizards in a faraway city conjured up something

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called the Common Agricultural Policy.

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It soon spread across the continent, dividing people as it went.

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Some folk took it to their hearts,

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feeling that the starvation seen in the war had been banished.

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Farmers were prospering and the land flourished.

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For others, it's as if they'd stepped through the looking glass.

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Farmers grew so much food

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that we had mountains of butter and lakes of wine.

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Hard-earned money was handed to rich landowners

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and the birds and the bees were driven from much of our landscape.

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But here in the UK, those two visions won't last for long,

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because Brexit is taking shape on the horizon

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and, when it does, those wizards in Westminster

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will wave their magic wands

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and the Common Agricultural Policy will disappear.

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Once again, the British people will have control

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over the billions of pounds we currently pay to the EU,

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plus the freedom to redesign the regulations it now imposes on us.

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What else will change is hidden in the mists of time.

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But for farmers like Tony Davis,

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whose family have kept sheep on this land in mid-Wales

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for more than 150 years, one thing is certain,

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Brexit will mean that the subsidy payments

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he currently gets from the EU

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will come to an end, and nobody knows if government support

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will continue beyond 2020.

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-Tell me about what you farm here.

-These are traditional hay meadows.

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We have woodland, we have new woodland,

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but the majority of the farm is out in the open mountain.

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And all this is managed by a flock of Welsh mountain sheep.

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And how important is subsidy to your survival?

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-80% of my income comes from subsidies.

-Right.

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In today's climate, with all the costs involved,

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-the sheep do not make enough profit to pay the bills.

-Yeah.

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What could it mean if subsidies almost vanished?

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It could mean land abandonment, but the local villages,

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all the services, they all depend

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on the farmer spending the money there,

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the schools depend on the children coming off the farms.

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The whole rural economy would suffer in these rural areas.

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And so what would you want a future support system to look like?

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A future support system should be able

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to support the farmers in the upland areas

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who are delivering the environmental benefits.

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We've made this landscape, and sheep a part of it.

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Could you, on this farm,

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-survive without subsidies?

-No.

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As black-and-white as that?

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It is as black-and-white, it's as simple as that, yes.

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One thing the EU currently doesn't pay farmers for is producing food.

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What it does pay them for is their land.

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As long as they fulfil certain conditions,

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anyone with more than 12 hectares can apply for a subsidy,

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and the more land you have, the more money you can get.

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And that applies to everyone, from the National Trust

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to Hampshire County Council, from grouse moors to golf clubs.

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And, of course, people like Tony.

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He has 1,600 acres, or 650 hectares,

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but some people have thousands.

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Direct payments from the EU to landowners

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currently amount to about £2.5 billion,

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and another three quarters of a billion

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goes to farmers for work that is good for the environment

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and for projects that promote rural development.

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Now, it probably won't come as a big surprise

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if I tell you it's hard to find anyone who really likes this story.

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And everyone agrees that Brexit gives us a chance to rewrite it.

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It's possible that a new version of this story

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could tell how the money was instead spent on the NHS, or schools,

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or reducing the deficit.

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So, farmers could have a battle on their hands to hang onto it.

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Minette Batters, the Deputy Chairman of the National Farmers Union,

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is preparing for the fight.

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Farming gets roughly three-and-a-bit billion

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at the moment. Why should you get that money?

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Most countries, the whole way across the world,

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support agriculture, and that is because

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they want to keep food affordable,

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and that is the core reason for supporting agriculture.

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12% of annual income is spent on food.

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That's a great deal, that's a great success story.

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Does the British consumer want that to continue? I think they do.

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So we have to look at how we can keep British agriculture productive,

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competitive, but it's also about looking after the environment,

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water quality, landscape benefit.

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You know, our agriculture is totally interlinked with tourism.

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So I think personally we can make a very good case

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for the budget going forwards,

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but it's got to stack up for the taxpayer.

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Of course, it's impossible for the NFU to say exactly what they want

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until they know what trading conditions

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they're going to be facing.

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And at the moment, that really is a mystery.

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But it's not just farmers who feel they're the real heroes

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of this story.

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Later on, I'll be meeting some of the other lead characters

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and asking if there really can be a happy ending.

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BIRDS TWEET

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Gors Maen Llwyd is one of North Wales' largest wildlife reserves.

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With woodland, wetland and moorland,

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there's a whole host of habitats here for wildlife to thrive.

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I love this time of year.

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It feels like such a relief, after a long winter,

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that the landscape is finally waking up.

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It's a time of new beginnings and new life.

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I'm heading for the moorland,

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to help monitor some of the reserve's residents

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as they come out of their winter slumber.

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And I'm unashamedly taking the scenic root.

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ENGINE STARTS UP

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There's a lot to take in,

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but Graham Berry from the North Wales Wildlife Trust

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is giving me a steer as to which species call this place home.

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Graham, what a place this is! It's absolutely glorious.

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Why is it so good here?

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Why does the wildlife seem to be thriving?

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We've got the forests of Clocaenog to the east of the lake here,

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which are home to dormice, red squirrels...

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We've got the upland moorlands in the Mynydd Hiraethog,

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one of the last strongholds

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for the curlew, the hen harrier and the merlin.

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There's plenty going on below the surface, too.

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This reservoir is a larder for many hungry visitors.

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They use this like a motorway pit stop on their migration.

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They stop here and feed.

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-Feed on all the rainbow trout?

-That's it.

-Lovely.

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It's picking up here.

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We got a bit of a crosswind, getting a few splashes in the face,

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which is all part of the fun.

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All part of the experience.

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-OK, here we go.

-All right. Hold on. Oh!

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I'll see you again.

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Alongside the work The Wildlife Trust are doing,

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volunteers are helping to monitor one resident

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that they really want to make count - the adder.

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Now, adders don't go into a true hibernation,

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like dormice or bat.

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Instead, in the autumn, they find a dry and secure spot underground,

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something like a disused burrow,

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their temperature will drop to just above freezing,

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and there they will stay, inactive,

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all the way through to the spring - just about now.

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BIRDS TWEET

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Reptile recorder Mick Brummage, and Mandy Cartwright from

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the Amphibian and Reptile Conservation Trust,

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are working together to keep a check on these elusive snakes.

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-Any adders?

-Not at the moment, no.

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-OK, this is prime adder-spotting territory, is it?

-It is.

-It is. Yes.

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Given how hard they are to spot, they're incredibly well camouflaged,

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how do you go about monitoring them as you are?

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At the moment, this time of year,

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the males are actually coming out of their dormant stage,

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and they're very loyal to where they overwinter,

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so we get a good idea of the actual, where they'll actually be.

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And the females come out a little bit later,

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so at the moment the males will be out basking,

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increasing their sperm, preparing for the females to come out.

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-Shall we see if we can go and find some?

-Yep.

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-Hopefully we'll find something.

-Yep.

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Mick has been adder-spotting here for a number of years,

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so I'm in safe hands.

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In a five-year period, I've found a total of 59.

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And you can recognise the individuals by their markings?

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Yes, each adder has a very unique pattern of markings.

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We tend to look at the markings on the head,

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and I take close-up photos,

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and build-up a sort of reference collection,

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and then I can identify them as individuals.

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We haven't seen any yet, but we're not giving up.

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If you just want to lay the refuges.

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'To encourage more adders for Mick to count in the future,

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'Mandy and I are putting down some refuges.'

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'These corrugated and felt sheets absorb warmth from the sun

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'and provide cover for reptiles from their predators.'

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-This one here?

-Yes.

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Can people do this in their gardens, or do you discourage that?

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No, no, we encourage people to put these out in their gardens,

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to look under once or twice a fortnight,

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and upload that information onto the record centres.

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That gives us a better understanding

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of how reptiles are actually using people's gardens

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as urbanisation grows.

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Remember, these are poisonous snakes, so look but don't touch.

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I suppose the sad thing is that they get such a bad press,

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they're our only venomous snake,

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and people are so used to feeling safe in the countryside,

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and they're frightened of them.

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They do get bad press,

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and people have persecuted them in the past,

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but they're reptiles, they're fantastic creatures,

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they're so charismatic and they're beautiful to watch.

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So, as long as you leave them alone, they'll leave you alone,

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and, yeah, just admire and enjoy what we've actually got.

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Wonderful.

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Even with the most experienced surveyors,

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adders are very tricky to spot.

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Just as we'd given up hope,

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we find two doing a spot of sunbathing.

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Any disturbance could scare them and use up their vital energy,

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which they need to preserve for reproduction.

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So I'm going to quietly watch from afar

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to admire and enjoy as they bask in the spring sun.

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It's Mothering Sunday,

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and spring is definitely in the air.

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The days are drawing out,

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hedgerows budding...

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..and lambs appear in the fields.

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A sign of finer days to come.

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After a long winter, the golden glow

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of flowers like these daffodils

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is a sure sign that spring is on its way.

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And for one family here in the Dee Valley,

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it's when business starts to bloom.

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Sarah Hughes' family

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has been farming beef and lamb in Denbighshire for generations.

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But Sarah has recently taken the business in a fresh direction,

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from beasts to blooms,

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using Victorian know-how to preserve the beauty of flowers.

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And these jewel-like treasures are also edible.

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Sarah, some beautiful flowers there. This is work for you then, is it?

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It is, I'm just picking a few flowers to crystallise later,

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just checking how they're all looking this time of year.

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When I think of farming, I don't think of edible flowers.

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How did this come about?

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Well, I was looking for something to do that I could do based at home,

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and I looked at a few things,

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and one of the things that was becoming quite fashionable

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was edible flowers, so that was a business that I thought

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maybe I can do that myself.

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-And these are your little babies, aren't they?

-Yes, they are.

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So these are primroses. These are some very early ones,

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it's a bit early in the year, but these are a few have come out.

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There's a long tradition

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of edible British flowers,

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and Sarah' done her homework.

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-Wow, can I eat this?

-Yes, yes.

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So just pull the end bit off.

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-That bit there?

-Yeah, the green bit at the bottom.

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It's not poisonous, but it just tastes a bit nicer.

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-And just eat it?

-Yes.

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Well, you've had it first and you haven't keeled over.

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Mm!

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It's like a... It's like a fragrant lettuce, isn't it?

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Yes, it's a very delicate flavour.

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Nice in salads, I can see how that would work on a cake.

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This early in the year,

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Sarah relies heavily on potted flowers in her polytunnel.

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Wow, so this is where the magic happens.

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Yes, this is where we grow

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the majority of our primroses and violas in here.

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So, these are viola.

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Primroses are very seasonal this time of year, going up to Easter,

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but the violas will grow all the year round, they're fantastic.

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They're a really good plant for giving out flowers.

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-I can see these are your favourite babies.

-They are, they are.

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They're just so perfect.

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With the colours like the lilacs and the purples and blues,

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they're really popular with our customers,

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because they all coordinate and they're nice pastel shades as well.

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So can we get picking here?

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Yes, make sure you get a nice long stem on it.

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-It's quite labour-intensive, isn't it, this?

-Yes, it is.

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You have to make sure you keep those petals perfect.

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It's quite easy to snag them when you're pulling them off.

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-Then maybe pick some primroses as well.

-OK.

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They're obviously very seasonal at this time of year.

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I'm proud of that, my first flower harvest. Can I carry the basket?

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Absolutely, I'll take you into the kitchen

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-and we'll crystallise them, shall we?

-Great.

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Some of Sarah's fresh flowers go into lollipops,

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which sell all over the world.

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But the vast majority get preserved in their freshly picked perfection

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by crystallising them, using egg white and sugar.

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It's a technique that started in Victorian times

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when sugar first started to appear in granulated form.

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You literally just paint it

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with the egg white, like that,

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cover it all over.

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Don't worry too much about being perfect.

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Then just get your sugar,

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-dust it all over.

-That looks nice.

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Front and back?

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-Yes, so can you see the whole thing's covered?

-Oh, yes.

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-And then we'll just leave it there to dry.

-How long do they last for?

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-They'll last for four to six months at least.

-Really?!

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It depends how carefully you crystallise them.

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The Victorians liked the meaning of flowers,

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so something like primrose, the meaning was hope.

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-That's what they gave to the primrose.

-This one?

-Yes.

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So violets and violas, it was love and thoughtfulness.

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So if you were doing something for your mum on Mothering Sunday,

0:23:380:23:42

you're giving a little message as well,

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which is quite sweet, isn't it?

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-And then you decorate the cake.

-Yes.

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What's the cake that we're going to use, then?

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So, the cake is a simnel cake, and on Mothering Sunday

0:23:510:23:54

girls used to go home from...often in service,

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and they'd take a simnel cake with them,

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maybe pick flowers on the way,

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and use these to decorate the cake.

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So if you could just pass it over here, please. Be careful.

0:24:060:24:09

I've enjoyed the day, but this is going to be my favourite bit.

0:24:090:24:12

-That looks amazing.

-Thank you.

0:24:120:24:15

-And I do like a cake.

-I made it myself.

-Oh, well done.

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So, shall we just take some of these flowers that we've done,

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and just literally pop them on, scatter them on the top.

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-Oh, it's the icing on the cake, isn't it?

-Or marzipan on the cake!

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And they've gone really hard, haven't they?

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They have, it's amazing how quickly they do that,

0:24:340:24:37

and it just means it gives them a bit more body.

0:24:370:24:40

Yeah, crisps them out.

0:24:400:24:42

-Am I going a bit over the top?

-No, you can...

0:24:420:24:45

Well, it's the sort of thing you'd do for your mum -

0:24:450:24:47

you can do it however you like, there's no rules.

0:24:470:24:50

It smells fantastic. I'm desperate to have a slice.

0:24:500:24:54

Well, help yourself.

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So, simnel cake decorated to perfection

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with Sarah's crystallised flowers.

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And, of course, a cup of tea.

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The perfect way to celebrate Mothering Sunday.

0:25:080:25:10

Happy Mother's Day.

0:25:100:25:12

Earlier, we heard how Brexit gives us the opportunity

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to rewrite the story about how UK farming is funded.

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So, with Article 50 due to be triggered on Wednesday,

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what should we expect?

0:25:250:25:27

Here's Tom with the next chapter.

0:25:270:25:29

In many a good fairytale, there's a pot of gold

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at the end of the rainbow,

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and in this story that pot is worth about £3.5 billion.

0:25:410:25:46

That's the amount of money that UK agriculture

0:25:460:25:49

gets from the EU every year.

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But, if Brexit is the rainbow, when we get to the end of it,

0:25:510:25:55

we'll find out that the pot of gold no longer exists.

0:25:550:25:58

So, the question facing the bigwigs in Whitehall is,

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should we continue giving some of our hard-earned money to farmers?

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Far, far away in a land on the other side of the world,

0:26:140:26:18

they stopped giving that money to farmers.

0:26:180:26:20

Back in 1984, after six years of paying farmers to grow food,

0:26:200:26:26

the New Zealand government suddenly abolished subsidies.

0:26:260:26:29

Dairy farmer Terry Wilding

0:26:330:26:34

was involved with the New Zealand Farmers' Union at the time.

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It was a decision made overnight.

0:26:390:26:42

Farmers had planned their businesses to grow them,

0:26:420:26:45

they'd bought in more stock, they'd developed more land,

0:26:450:26:48

and all of a sudden that money was gone.

0:26:480:26:50

So, it was a bit of a rude awakening,

0:26:500:26:52

and farmers were pretty angry.

0:26:520:26:54

They weren't just angry.

0:26:540:26:56

Many farms went out of business,

0:26:560:26:58

and there were even a number of farmers who took their own lives.

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But in the end, the industry adapted and survived.

0:27:020:27:05

Looking back, our farmers became more...let's say market-savvy.

0:27:060:27:11

They look to their markets for signals, not to the government.

0:27:110:27:15

And I think we're in a stronger position

0:27:150:27:17

to respond to market signals,

0:27:170:27:18

and I think we're a more resilient industry due to that.

0:27:180:27:23

Now, New Zealand is roughly the same size as the UK,

0:27:230:27:27

but it's a very different country.

0:27:270:27:29

However, their farming has gone from strength to strength

0:27:290:27:32

without subsidies.

0:27:320:27:33

But here's the thing.

0:27:350:27:36

To get where they are now,

0:27:360:27:38

some of the rules governing the care

0:27:380:27:40

of animals, wildlife and landscape,

0:27:400:27:43

were - how shall I put it? - relaxed.

0:27:430:27:46

And that worries some people here as we approach Brexit.

0:27:460:27:50

The interaction between farming and the environment

0:27:520:27:55

concerns England's Wildlife Trust so much that they run commercial farms,

0:27:550:28:00

like this one in the shadow of the M5 in Worcestershire,

0:28:000:28:04

where they show how agriculture and nature can help each other.

0:28:040:28:08

Stephen Trotter is the Trust Director.

0:28:080:28:11

Here, they do everything, from rebuilding soil structure,

0:28:110:28:14

to providing clean water and refuges for wildlife.

0:28:140:28:17

Oh, yes, it's fantastic. There's one there, look.

0:28:170:28:20

The wonderful thing about slow worms is that they love slugs,

0:28:200:28:23

and consume large numbers of them.

0:28:230:28:26

-I love looking at them close up.

-Absolutely.

0:28:260:28:28

If you spend time, you can see all the delicacy of the colours,

0:28:280:28:31

the gold and copper and everything.

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A fantastic beast.

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So, when we get control of our farming policy in this country,

0:28:380:28:42

how would you like to see it shaped?

0:28:420:28:44

Well, it's a great opportunity, really,

0:28:440:28:46

to ensure that we invest in restoring our natural environment.

0:28:460:28:49

Farmers, land managers, landowners, are vital for that,

0:28:490:28:53

we need to be investing in those people to do the work.

0:28:530:28:56

Is it possible to mix farming and environment?

0:28:560:28:59

There is no conflict.

0:28:590:29:01

You've seen some of the things on the farm here -

0:29:010:29:03

we have to produce food, and we have to produce

0:29:030:29:05

a strong, healthy environment - the two go together.

0:29:050:29:08

And, if we get our environment right,

0:29:080:29:09

we improve the quality of our air,

0:29:090:29:11

the quality of our water, the quality of our food,

0:29:110:29:14

and give people good places to go and visit and enjoy and relax.

0:29:140:29:17

Just as vital as the National Health Service,

0:29:170:29:19

just as vital as social care.

0:29:190:29:20

So, it's not just about the Skylark up there,

0:29:200:29:22

-it's about the health of you and I.

-Yes, absolutely.

0:29:220:29:25

Whether that's feasible or not, as we start our Brexit journey,

0:29:290:29:33

there will be many different paths to choose from.

0:29:330:29:37

So, I'm meeting economics wizard Sean Rickard

0:29:370:29:40

to see if he can help me solve this puzzle.

0:29:400:29:43

So, what do you think a post-Brexit farm policy should look like?

0:29:430:29:47

Where we have to start is recognising that, ultimately,

0:29:470:29:51

agriculture is an industry.

0:29:510:29:53

It produces the raw materials

0:29:530:29:55

for the UK's largest manufacturing sector - food.

0:29:550:29:58

I judge that, in this country here, we would best serve the population

0:29:580:30:03

we would best serve the food industry,

0:30:030:30:06

we would best serve our trade balance,

0:30:060:30:08

by allowing agriculture to go forward

0:30:080:30:11

as an intensive, competitive industry.

0:30:110:30:14

We can protect their incomes via an insurance scheme

0:30:140:30:18

with much less money than we spend today.

0:30:180:30:21

Where does environment fit in your future?

0:30:210:30:23

There are certain aspects of the environment

0:30:230:30:26

which farmers aren't going to deliver

0:30:260:30:28

because it doesn't contribute to their business.

0:30:280:30:31

So, if you want a hay field, that's a public good,

0:30:310:30:34

and a public good must be paid for out of public money.

0:30:340:30:37

Very roughly, we spend about £3 billion to £3.5 billion

0:30:370:30:41

on agricultural support at the moment.

0:30:410:30:43

I think probably about a third of that might go to the environment.

0:30:430:30:47

Right, and what should happen to the rest of that money?

0:30:470:30:51

Should that go away from agriculture?

0:30:510:30:53

Yes, I would say a farm business

0:30:530:30:56

really has to be capable of surviving

0:30:560:30:59

on the basis of producing agricultural produce.

0:30:590:31:03

As in every fairytale, this one isn't just about the money.

0:31:040:31:09

The story of EU regulation of both farming and the environment

0:31:090:31:13

is a long and familiar saga,

0:31:130:31:15

and rewriting that chapter is likely to be a mammoth task.

0:31:150:31:20

So, will there be a happy ending?

0:31:220:31:24

Well, I guess that depends what you wish for.

0:31:240:31:26

But one of the things that's surprised me in telling this tale

0:31:260:31:29

is that there's more that unites farmers and environmentalists

0:31:290:31:34

than divides them.

0:31:340:31:35

And one of the things that they're currently agreed upon

0:31:350:31:38

is the government isn't yet making food and farming

0:31:380:31:41

a priority in its Brexit plans.

0:31:410:31:44

Earlier in the programme, I met Welsh hill farmer Daphne Tilley MBE,

0:31:520:31:57

whose award-winning lamb has graced the world's top tables.

0:31:570:32:00

Now, this farm is managed by her 25-year-old grandson, James.

0:32:020:32:06

He took over after his father died.

0:32:060:32:08

And, in his dad's memory,

0:32:110:32:13

James has put his own slant on what he produces on the farm,

0:32:130:32:16

and is passionate about his new breeding rights.

0:32:160:32:20

Well, there's quite a few expectant mums

0:32:260:32:28

waiting patiently in the maternity ward, in the barn,

0:32:280:32:30

but there's literally hundreds on the hill that need feeding,

0:32:300:32:33

so I'll get the gate for you, James, all right? See you in a sec.

0:32:330:32:37

There you go!

0:32:510:32:53

Come on, girls! Breakfast!

0:32:570:32:59

James farms 350 acres.

0:33:020:33:05

The 750-strong flock are separated into last year's lambs

0:33:050:33:08

and ewes pregnant with one lamb, twins or triplets.

0:33:080:33:12

It's only James' third season in the saddle.

0:33:140:33:17

Sheepdog Fly lends a helping paw.

0:33:180:33:20

Was this always the plan for you, then,

0:33:290:33:31

to come back from university and farm,

0:33:310:33:33

or did you have a different career path in mind?

0:33:330:33:36

So I went to university, I did a three-year degree there,

0:33:360:33:38

I did ancient history.

0:33:380:33:40

And I had the intention of doing a PGCE at one point,

0:33:400:33:43

and unfortunately my father fell ill November-time

0:33:430:33:47

and I came home to look after the farm until he got better.

0:33:470:33:50

So I was in charge of virtually everything on the farm.

0:33:500:33:53

He passed away in July,

0:33:530:33:54

and I sort of had the responsibility of looking after the farm itself

0:33:540:33:59

and taking on the tenancy.

0:33:590:34:01

Having inherited his dad's sheep,

0:34:010:34:03

James is now starting to breed his own line.

0:34:030:34:06

What kind of satisfaction do you get from that,

0:34:060:34:09

and actually starting to create your own flock now?

0:34:090:34:12

It is really nice and satisfying.

0:34:120:34:13

Because you get to see them, you know, you lamb them,

0:34:130:34:15

you get to see them from a small little lamb

0:34:150:34:18

and eventually grow to a fully sized ewe

0:34:180:34:20

and you can think, "I'm proud of that."

0:34:200:34:22

Well, we'd better crack on because, them lot over there,

0:34:220:34:24

that are expecting twins, they're looking at you...

0:34:240:34:27

-Yeah.

-..longingly!

0:34:270:34:29

James' farm extends onto the rugged hilltops.

0:34:300:34:32

Challenging terrain for four wheels,

0:34:340:34:36

let alone four legs.

0:34:360:34:37

The ewes up here, the breed, they just seem to survive.

0:34:390:34:42

You've got to give them credit where credit is due.

0:34:420:34:45

They're at the height of the farm at the moment,

0:34:450:34:47

1,200 feet above sea-level here,

0:34:470:34:49

and they're able to survive the conditions.

0:34:490:34:51

At the moment on here I've got my ewe lambs

0:34:510:34:53

-just grazing the mountainside.

-Yep.

0:34:530:34:56

And they get a bit of haylage and a bit of feed every now and then.

0:34:560:34:58

So hopefully they will be lambing this time next year, then?

0:34:580:35:01

These will be my replacements.

0:35:010:35:02

-So this time next year, they will be lambing.

-Yeah.

0:35:020:35:06

What a spot, though.

0:35:060:35:07

I mean, just standing here and looking off to every single view,

0:35:070:35:10

you just look all the way around.

0:35:100:35:13

That direction there is quite something, isn't it?

0:35:130:35:15

Sometimes it makes farming worth it.

0:35:150:35:17

Because we do get harsh conditions and it's a tough environment,

0:35:170:35:20

but when you get lovely views on a clear day, there's nothing better,

0:35:200:35:23

there's nowhere else to be.

0:35:230:35:25

And since you've started this venture and this whole life

0:35:250:35:28

and this way of life for you, you must have learned so much.

0:35:280:35:31

I mean, you never stop learning, do you, anyway, with farming.

0:35:310:35:34

I don't think any farmer stops learning.

0:35:340:35:35

You're always reading something new

0:35:350:35:37

and always trying to keep up-to-date with what's going on,

0:35:370:35:39

so I'm always learning.

0:35:390:35:41

And if you're not learning then something's not going right,

0:35:410:35:43

but I always try and learn.

0:35:430:35:45

Right, then, Fly, you are going to love this, my dear,

0:35:530:35:55

because Adam has been up in the hills

0:35:550:35:57

searching for the next generation of sheepdog handlers.

0:35:570:36:01

These are the high fells of Northern Lakeland, Cumbria.

0:36:090:36:12

A beautiful but unforgiving landscape.

0:36:140:36:16

Hard country for farming.

0:36:180:36:20

Upland terrain like this covers roughly a third of the UK land area,

0:36:230:36:27

and with its altitude, harsh weather conditions

0:36:270:36:30

and ground that's pretty unsuitable for growing crops,

0:36:300:36:33

there's very few agricultural systems that work up here.

0:36:330:36:36

That is, apart from sheep.

0:36:360:36:38

So if you want to farm in this environment,

0:36:380:36:40

the one tool you really need to know how to handle is a sheepdog.

0:36:400:36:44

Here, Peg.

0:36:440:36:45

Here at Newton Rigg College, just a few miles from Penrith,

0:36:500:36:54

they can teach you all you need to know.

0:36:540:36:57

15 young people from across the North of England

0:36:570:37:00

flock to enrol on this ground-breaking programme.

0:37:000:37:03

WHISTLE

0:37:030:37:06

The college is the first in the country

0:37:060:37:08

to provide a course dedicated to sheepdog handling.

0:37:080:37:11

Choose what your whistles are - there's a "left" and a "right"

0:37:110:37:14

and a "stop" and a "walk on".

0:37:140:37:17

-HE WHISTLES

-That's the right,

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so they're really completely different from each other.

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The course is run by top dog trialer and sheep farmer Derek Scrimgeour.

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Away, away.

0:37:300:37:33

-Hi, Derek. Good to see you.

-Hello, Adam.

0:37:330:37:36

-So what are you working on here with the student?

-Well, this is Naomi.

0:37:360:37:40

And her job is to stay with the sheep

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and protect the sheep from the dog

0:37:420:37:43

if it decides it wants to try anything difficult.

0:37:430:37:46

And she's very calm. The dogs, they buy into what you're like.

0:37:460:37:50

If you're excited and loud and rushing about,

0:37:500:37:53

before you know it your dogs are the same. But she's nice and calm.

0:37:530:37:56

But she wasn't at the start. It's something... It's a technique you can learn.

0:37:560:37:59

You know, I'm not calm at all. I've learned to act calm.

0:37:590:38:03

I'm still not calm, but I can act calm on a good day.

0:38:030:38:06

When I was younger,

0:38:060:38:07

there was no real opportunities to learn anything,

0:38:070:38:09

so I had to learn by my mistakes.

0:38:090:38:12

But I'm a bit older now and I have learned a few things,

0:38:120:38:14

and it's nice to be able to pass them on.

0:38:140:38:16

Little things that make it so much easier.

0:38:160:38:18

You know, things that I wish I'd known 30 years ago.

0:38:180:38:21

Come by, come by.

0:38:210:38:22

This initiative is amazing

0:38:240:38:26

because they're going to get a skill that they'll have for life -

0:38:260:38:29

and it won't leave them, they'll have it for life.

0:38:290:38:31

It's quite unusual, isn't it,

0:38:310:38:33

using an animal to work another animal. Quite a skill.

0:38:330:38:37

They start off wanting to kill sheep, most of them,

0:38:370:38:39

that's in their mind.

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And even if they don't do it, they want to do it.

0:38:400:38:43

So you just channel that instinct so that they work the sheep for you.

0:38:430:38:46

And they're herding the sheep to bring them back to you,

0:38:460:38:49

-expecting you to kill them.

-ADAM LAUGHS

0:38:490:38:52

So that's the base of it, I think, yes.

0:38:520:38:54

Lie down.

0:38:580:39:00

See when you're saying "lie down", you're shouting at her.

0:39:000:39:02

Lie down. Over here. Lie down.

0:39:020:39:04

Matt here is from a farming background.

0:39:070:39:09

But the students come from all walks of life,

0:39:110:39:14

united by their love of the countryside.

0:39:140:39:16

Hi, guys, you looked like you knew what you were doing in there.

0:39:190:39:23

Yeah, it was all right. I work dogs at home on the farm,

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so I kind of know what I'm doing a little bit,

0:39:260:39:28

but he knows more than me.

0:39:280:39:29

So what's the most important thing, do you think,

0:39:290:39:31

Derek has taught you?

0:39:310:39:32

Probably patience.

0:39:320:39:34

Yeah, just to be calm, and if you're getting mad with your dog,

0:39:340:39:36

then just take a bit of time out and have a break,

0:39:360:39:39

because usually it's your fault, not the dog's.

0:39:390:39:41

I want a shepherding job somewhere, on a hill farm, hopefully.

0:39:410:39:45

-You want to stick with the hills?

-Yeah, definitely, yeah.

0:39:450:39:49

I'd like to do shepherding for a bit first.

0:39:490:39:51

I enjoy being outside and I enjoy being with the animals.

0:39:510:39:54

And when you've got a good dog at your side,

0:39:540:39:56

you'll be totally employable.

0:39:560:39:58

Well, we'll see about that!

0:39:580:39:59

For 20 weeks, the students and their dogs

0:40:010:40:03

will be working this rugged landscape.

0:40:030:40:05

Along with the International Sheep Dog Society,

0:40:050:40:08

Matt Bagley from the college has been instrumental

0:40:080:40:11

in getting this course off the ground.

0:40:110:40:13

Why do you think the course is so important?

0:40:130:40:16

It's fundamentally important

0:40:160:40:18

that that bond between the handler and the dog is so special

0:40:180:40:21

that if we don't harness it in a young person,

0:40:210:40:24

we may lose these skills.

0:40:240:40:25

You can see this terrain,

0:40:250:40:26

a quad bike's little or no use to you up here.

0:40:260:40:28

You need a dog that can get the job done efficiently and quickly.

0:40:280:40:32

You get a manual when you buy a new tractor,

0:40:320:40:34

but you don't get a handbook when you buy a dog.

0:40:340:40:37

All dogs are completely different, as are the handlers,

0:40:370:40:39

so you need to look at those skills.

0:40:390:40:41

Well, it's great you're doing such a wonderful job,

0:40:410:40:44

and fantastic to be able to see them learning how to train sheepdogs.

0:40:440:40:47

Such an essential tool up on these fells.

0:40:470:40:50

It is, and we're very, very proud of the progress they're making.

0:40:500:40:54

Well, it's great to see the college doing such a good job.

0:40:540:40:57

-Shall we go back down and see the students?

-Yeah, we can.

0:40:570:40:59

Come on, Peg.

0:40:590:41:00

One student who's already made the grade is 16-year-old Tom Blease.

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You may remember him from last year's One Man And His Dog,

0:41:150:41:19

where Tom was part of the winning team.

0:41:190:41:21

And he's away nicely.

0:41:210:41:23

Nice, steady lift there.

0:41:230:41:25

-Here we go.

-Lay down.

0:41:250:41:28

Come by, get, lay down.

0:41:280:41:29

An impressive achievement, as Tom's not from a farming background.

0:41:310:41:35

Soon after the competition,

0:41:350:41:36

he started an apprenticeship through Newton Rigg College.

0:41:360:41:40

His work placement is at Glencoyne Farm in Ullswater,

0:41:400:41:43

and I'm keen to see how he's getting on.

0:41:430:41:45

What's your dream? What's your goal in life?

0:41:450:41:47

I suppose to get a tenancy would be fantastic, to be my own boss.

0:41:470:41:50

To work on a farm that I'm running.

0:41:500:41:53

One of the best things, really, about being on a hill farm,

0:41:530:41:56

for me, it's gathering and working your dogs.

0:41:560:41:58

And you're going to carry on trialing, will you?

0:41:580:42:01

Yeah, yeah, no, I am.

0:42:010:42:02

We've got the world champion sheepdog trials this summer.

0:42:020:42:06

And how do you fancy your chances?

0:42:060:42:08

I don't know. I'll have a good go, but I'm not sure.

0:42:080:42:11

So you're on a apprenticeship scheme here and going to college,

0:42:110:42:15

do the two work well together?

0:42:150:42:17

It's fantastic for me, you know, because I can earn money,

0:42:170:42:20

you know, to help pay for my own sheep

0:42:200:42:22

and, you know, when I start driving and that,

0:42:220:42:25

but also do something that I enjoy.

0:42:250:42:27

What could be better?

0:42:270:42:28

I've been exploring Denbighshire's wild side,

0:42:370:42:40

seeing it spring back to life after its winter slumber.

0:42:400:42:43

I've come down from the moorlands to explore the woodlands,

0:42:460:42:49

and this place is certainly full of life.

0:42:490:42:52

But here at Llandegla Forest,

0:42:570:42:58

they're doing things a bit differently.

0:42:580:43:00

WHISTLING

0:43:020:43:03

Just as many farmers have come up with new ideas

0:43:030:43:06

in order to survive,

0:43:060:43:07

commercial forests like this one have also had to diversify.

0:43:070:43:10

The goal here was to make the forest a fun place

0:43:130:43:16

for runners and walkers,

0:43:160:43:18

challenging trails for mountain bikers,

0:43:180:43:21

and I'm told some of them are pretty epic.

0:43:210:43:23

Also a place that encourages and protects wildlife,

0:43:230:43:27

all the while continuing to grow

0:43:270:43:29

the forest's main source of income - timber.

0:43:290:43:31

Simon Miller manages the forest

0:43:370:43:39

and is passionate about making this a recreational space

0:43:390:43:42

we can share with our wild neighbours.

0:43:420:43:45

The forestry industry realised a long time ago that it had,

0:43:450:43:49

as well as producing softwood timber for industry,

0:43:490:43:52

it had a responsibility to look after, take care of the environment.

0:43:520:43:56

And as a consequence,

0:43:560:43:57

forestry practices developed over recent decades

0:43:570:44:01

so that now our forests are more resilient

0:44:010:44:03

and include more biodiversity.

0:44:030:44:05

So that's why you've got the different ages of the trees here?

0:44:050:44:09

Yeah, in sensitive parts of the forest,

0:44:090:44:12

rather than clear-felling, we thin the crop regularly

0:44:120:44:16

and we make small group fellings

0:44:160:44:18

and we replant them with a mixture of conifers and some broad leaves.

0:44:180:44:22

In fact, if you were to look at Llandegla from above,

0:44:220:44:24

it would look more like a patchwork quilt.

0:44:240:44:26

Which is great for birdlife and wildlife.

0:44:260:44:28

Yeah, and since we've been measuring, particularly, the birds,

0:44:280:44:31

the numbers have gone up significantly,

0:44:310:44:34

and now we have species like nightjar and crossbills.

0:44:340:44:37

That's great, that's impressive having those.

0:44:370:44:41

But there's one forest-dweller here that I really want to see -

0:44:410:44:45

the black grouse.

0:44:450:44:46

It's at this time of year that places like this

0:44:470:44:50

become nature's nightclubs.

0:44:500:44:52

It's mating season for the black grouse,

0:44:520:44:54

but you have to get up incredibly early

0:44:540:44:56

if you want to see this spectacle of forest-flirting,

0:44:560:44:59

as I know only too well.

0:44:590:45:01

A couple of years ago,

0:45:030:45:04

I tried to see this mating ritual known as lekking.

0:45:040:45:08

I DID see the black grouse,

0:45:080:45:10

but they were way off in the distance...and not lekking.

0:45:100:45:13

Well, it's six in the morning

0:45:170:45:18

and this is a routine I know all too well.

0:45:180:45:21

Up at the crack of sparrows in hopes of seeing the black grouse lekking.

0:45:210:45:26

Fingers crossed.

0:45:260:45:27

I know what I'm looking for,

0:45:340:45:36

but will they come close enough to see this time?

0:45:360:45:38

Martin Clift assures me there's a good chance of getting lucky today.

0:45:400:45:44

-Good morning, Martin.

-Morning.

0:45:440:45:45

Early start, is it worth it yet?

0:45:450:45:47

-They're out there, certainly, I can hear them.

-OK.

0:45:470:45:50

I can't quite pick them out yet.

0:45:500:45:51

OK, well, it's still a bit dingy light...

0:45:510:45:54

'He's an RSPB conservation officer

0:45:540:45:56

'and monitors the black grouse population.'

0:45:560:45:57

What is it that they like here?

0:45:570:46:01

Black grouse like a mixture of habitats,

0:46:010:46:03

so they like the taller heather moorland vegetation for nesting in,

0:46:030:46:07

they like the much shorter, wetter areas for foraging in,

0:46:070:46:10

and they like the sensitively managed edge of the forest here.

0:46:100:46:14

'But there's not much flirting going on at the moment.'

0:46:140:46:18

So can we see any now?

0:46:180:46:20

There's a few, there's a few. Quite far away.

0:46:200:46:24

This looks like a really calm night at the pub, doesn't it?

0:46:260:46:29

-When do the fights begin?

-Yeah.

0:46:290:46:32

And what about numbers?

0:46:320:46:34

-How are they doing?

-There's about 260 in last year.

0:46:340:46:38

We'll be counting them again in April,

0:46:380:46:40

so we expect similar numbers.

0:46:400:46:42

Martin is being modest.

0:46:420:46:44

70% of the Welsh black grouse population

0:46:440:46:47

actually lives in and around the forest.

0:46:470:46:49

-That one's standing quite proudly in the middle of the group there.

-Yeah.

0:46:510:46:55

The dominant ones are generally in the middle.

0:46:550:46:58

The ones all around the edge, as they get further to the centre,

0:46:580:47:00

they'll have the most chance with the females.

0:47:000:47:02

And the females could be there, but we're not going to see them

0:47:020:47:05

because she's usually at the edges, she's pretty brown in colour anyway.

0:47:050:47:08

We might not be able to see her but the male will know she's there.

0:47:080:47:11

-That's what the display's all about.

-Yes, yes, getting her attention.

0:47:110:47:14

Yes, this is some lekking now. This is good.

0:47:190:47:22

This is more than I've ever seen before, so this is wonderful!

0:47:220:47:25

Oh, brilliant.

0:47:250:47:26

There we go, a little charge.

0:47:300:47:32

Charge in the direction of another one.

0:47:320:47:34

Now the party's really started.

0:47:340:47:36

People are going to say how do you conserve the black grouse

0:47:390:47:42

while, at the same time, people are shooting red grouse?

0:47:420:47:46

They can work together really well.

0:47:460:47:47

The gamekeeper here is working to establish this moor

0:47:470:47:51

as a red grouse moor,

0:47:510:47:52

and there's a voluntary code which the landowners abide by here

0:47:520:47:55

not to shoot black grouse.

0:47:550:47:57

Yeah, it was worth getting up early.

0:48:030:48:05

Thank you so much, Martin.

0:48:050:48:07

I'll leave you to enjoy the last of the lek. What a treat.

0:48:070:48:11

Last time, the weather was atrocious,

0:48:110:48:13

but today the conditions have been perfect.

0:48:130:48:16

I'm so glad I got a second chance.

0:48:160:48:18

I've been spending the day with hill-farming royalty Daphne Tilley,

0:48:380:48:42

who was awarded an MBE for her services to agriculture

0:48:420:48:46

and introducing Welsh lamb to London's top eateries.

0:48:460:48:49

For barbecue kings George Wood and Martin Anderson,

0:48:490:48:53

Daphne's lamb is a staple in their Soho restaurant.

0:48:530:48:57

Lads, how are we doing?

0:48:570:48:59

-Hi.

-What a sight this is.

0:48:590:49:02

How are things?

0:49:020:49:03

'They've made the long trip from the Big Smoke

0:49:030:49:05

'to see where their meat comes from

0:49:050:49:07

'and reward Daphne with a Mother's Day meal to remember.'

0:49:070:49:12

What theatre you're cooking in here, then.

0:49:120:49:14

So how does it all work?

0:49:140:49:15

We've got one of Daphne's lambs here, a whole one on an asado cross,

0:49:150:49:20

so that's kind of a South American way of cooking things.

0:49:200:49:22

-Right.

-It takes about six hours to cook.

-Does it really?

0:49:220:49:26

-So, slow and low, then?

-Yeah, slow, low.

0:49:260:49:29

The veg, too, is barbecued for that smoky flavour.

0:49:300:49:33

And don't worry, the skin's peeled off later.

0:49:330:49:36

I'm going to take the tomatoes,

0:49:360:49:38

-and we're just going to put them right down like that.

-OK.

0:49:380:49:41

The veg gets the Argentinian barbie treatment, too, for a smoky flavour.

0:49:410:49:45

But it's also coming from the sugars in the tomatoes.

0:49:450:49:48

SIZZLING

0:49:480:49:50

Oh, lovely, listen to that sizzle.

0:49:500:49:52

And what a kitchen.

0:49:520:49:53

I mean, when you look at this, it's just food as far as the eye can see.

0:49:530:49:57

You don't need anything else, you know?

0:49:570:49:59

-You can cook just about anything out here on something like this.

-Yeah.

0:49:590:50:02

And, I mean, setting it up here in the farmyard,

0:50:020:50:04

it's idyllic, this, isn't it?

0:50:040:50:06

Yeah, it's probably the nicest setting I've ever cooked in,

0:50:060:50:09

-I'd have to say.

-Yeah?

-Yeah.

0:50:090:50:10

And, for you, I guess, as a chef, when you go home tonight,

0:50:100:50:13

you'll leave the farm gate

0:50:130:50:14

but actually you'll just take this with you,

0:50:140:50:16

and this somehow will just go into the meals that you create back in London.

0:50:160:50:19

Oh, of course, of course.

0:50:190:50:20

It's the whole reason why, you know,

0:50:200:50:22

it's so good as a chef to come out to these places.

0:50:220:50:24

A few of the locals have followed their noses up to our field kitchen.

0:50:270:50:32

Daphne, who are your friends, who are your friends? Come on.

0:50:320:50:37

Well, they're all part of the team, all part of the Welsh lamb team.

0:50:370:50:41

Hi, all. Take a seat, I guess. I think that's the order.

0:50:410:50:46

-It looks amazing. It smells, doesn't it?

-It's fantastic, isn't it?

-Yeah.

0:50:470:50:51

This is a perfect example

0:50:530:50:55

of that relationship between producers and chefs.

0:50:550:50:59

So here you've got farmers

0:50:590:51:00

talking to the high-end chefs from the middle of London

0:51:000:51:03

about what they're doing with the lamb

0:51:030:51:05

that they're actually producing.

0:51:050:51:07

It all looks cooked to perfection. Good job -

0:51:090:51:12

there's a lot of hungry farmers to feed.

0:51:120:51:14

Daphne should be the first one in, so here we go. Are we ready?

0:51:170:51:19

Hang on, let's do this.

0:51:190:51:21

We need a little bit of this on the top - there we are.

0:51:210:51:23

And here we are - first up, ladies and gentlemen, Daphne!

0:51:230:51:26

DAPHNE LAUGHS

0:51:260:51:28

What do you make of it? You've just tried it.

0:51:310:51:34

It's fantastic, very moist.

0:51:340:51:35

Just melts in the mouth, doesn't it? It's amazing, isn't it?

0:51:350:51:39

Right, now everyone else has got some, I'm going in.

0:51:410:51:44

Oh, my word. Oh, that is absolutely...

0:51:490:51:52

-It's really good, huh?

-..terrific.

0:51:520:51:55

Oh, my word. That is just a burst of flavour.

0:51:550:51:59

Wow, that's like fireworks in your mouth. Isn't it?

0:51:590:52:03

Does it live up to your expectation, is the question?

0:52:070:52:10

-Actually the flavour is better, it's beyond.

-Yeah. Really, does it?

0:52:100:52:14

Yeah, it really has improved the flavour, cooking it this way.

0:52:140:52:18

It's absolutely beautiful. Honestly, Martin, George,

0:52:180:52:20

let's have a round of applause for the boys, because...

0:52:200:52:22

-Fantastic! For the chefs!

-..they've come up trumps there.

0:52:220:52:25

Absolutely beautiful.

0:52:250:52:27

Well, I would save some of this for Ellie, but I know that she's got

0:52:280:52:31

her own Mothering Sunday treats to get back for.

0:52:310:52:35

I have indeed, not to mention some much-needed sleep

0:52:350:52:38

that I need to catch up on.

0:52:380:52:40

But I will see you next week

0:52:400:52:41

in a special extended edition of the programme,

0:52:410:52:44

when we'll be exploring more of the country's finest forest.

0:52:440:52:47

But, from all of us here,

0:52:470:52:48

and to all the mums that are watching, iechyd da.

0:52:480:52:51

Iechyd da!

0:52:510:52:52

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