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Mon, 30 Jan 2017

Bydd Alun ym Mannau Brycheiniog yn gweld sut mae'r Parc Cenedlaethol a'r ffermwyr lleol yn cyd-weithio.Alun is in the Brecon Beacons to see how farmers work together with the Na...


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-Hello and a warm welcome to Ffermio.

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-In this programme...

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-..we look at the future structure

-of agriculture...

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-..politically, with regards to

-young people and environmentally.

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-Brexit is something

-that will affect people of all ages.

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-We talk to some

-leading industry figures.

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-One story from Cardiff and another

-from London does create problems.

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-What Theresa May has said

-scares me a little.

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-It's essential that we have

-a free market with no tariffs.

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-Alun is in the Brecon Beacons...

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-..to see how farmers

-and the National Park work together.

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-Someone has to take care

-of the countryside.

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-I think we can show that we've

-accomplished some very good work.

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-The YFC's contribution

-to rural communities is important.

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-Every year,

-the best members are given awards.

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-Daloni meets this year's

-Wales YFC Senior Member.

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-Dafydd Jones lives at Caerberllan

-in Llanfihangel-y-Pennant.

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-He works on the farm

-with brother Tudor...

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-..and parents Robert and Ceinwen.

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-With 1,200 Welsh Mountain Sheep...

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-..as well as a herd of Welsh Black

-and Aberdeen Angus cattle...

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-..there's plenty of work here

-to keep him busy.

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-Is the weather always as wonderful

-as this, Dafydd?

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-If only it were!

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-Although Caerberllan

-is an upland farm...

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-..there's a huge amount

-of lovely flat land.

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-Yes, it's a unique valley.

-We're really lucky on this farm.

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-There's not much soil here -

-only a few inches.

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-As well as the farming,

-you've had a busy year.

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-It has been busier than usual,

-there's no doubt about that.

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-I've been a YFC member

-since I was 13...

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-..but this year

-has been a unique year.

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-As the Wales YFC Senior Member...

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-..what have you been doing

-during the last year?

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-It has been an enormous privilege.

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-The title also allowed me to sit

-on the Wales management committee.

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-It has been quite an eye-opener...

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-..to learn more about

-how the movement works from within.

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-Many members don't realize how much

-work goes on behind the scenes.

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-Do you have a job

-within your local club and area?

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-This is the Bryncrug club area.

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-I was chairman last year,

-but I haven't got a job this year.

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-I'm currently deputy chair

-of Meirionnydd YFC...

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-..and deputy chair of the

-Wales YFC rural affairs committee.

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-Although the YFC

-takes much of his time...

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-..Dafydd earns his crust

-here on the farm.

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-He loves handling the stock.

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-Do you only have Welsh sheep

-at Caerberllan?

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-Yes, only Welsh sheep.

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-I keep a few Lleyn sheep.

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-They're in among these

-and are treated the same way.

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-And you have 1,200 of them?

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-Yes. The count works for us.

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-We've run the same system

-for a number of years.

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-The ewe lambs go onto the mountain.

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-We've never gone into Tir Gofal

-or cut flock numbers.

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-We keep it steady.

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-We keep it steady.

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-Which ram will you put with these?

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-These have had a Welsh ram.

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-This year, for the first time...

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-..we've experimented

-with Aberfield rams.

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-It's been a challenge

-to sell Welsh ram lambs of late.

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-We're experimenting to see whether

-there's a better market for a cross.

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-How do you see things going

-with the Welsh Mountain sheep?

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-It's a good sheep,

-and it lives cheaply.

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-That's very important to me.

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-I can't stand sheep

-that need a lot of attention.

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-But we find it difficult

-to sell the ram lambs...

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-..so we're experimenting

-to get a balance of other breeds.

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-It's scanning day

-at Caerberllan today...

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-..and things are auguring well.

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-You're busy, Dafydd.

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-You're busy, Dafydd.

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-Plenty to do!

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-Do you want to get through

-the 1,200 today?

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-Yes, if we can.

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-Yes, if we can.

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-Who's doing the scanning?

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-Mr Emrys Lewis is scanning for us.

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-Mr Emrys Lewis is scanning for us.

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-He's an expert!

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-He's very good.

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-How are they scanning today?

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-How are they scanning today?

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-Very well, so far.

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-So, a red mark for two lambs.

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-Yes, and nothing for a single.

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-And we don't want barren ones.

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-And we don't want barren ones.

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-I haven't seen many yet.

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-I don't want to see triplets either.

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-I don't want to see triplets either.

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-You don't want to see them.

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-Will these all lamb outside?

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-Will these all lamb outside?

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-Yes, all outside.

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-When will you start lambing, Dafydd?

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-The crossbreds start on 15 March,

-those that have had a Texel ram.

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-The Welsh sheep, who've had

-a Welsh ram, will be a week later.

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-How many crossbreds do you have?

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-About 300 Welsh sheep

-go to a crossbred ram.

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-They produce good lambs

-for the market.

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-When those lambs are ready,

-to which market will they go?

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-We try different ones...

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-..both the live market

-and the slaughterhouse market.

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-They look great, Dafydd.

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-They look great, Dafydd.

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-They're alright.

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-Alright?

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-Alright?

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-Yes.

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-They look good.

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-There have been Welsh Blacks

-at Caerberllan for many a year.

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-These days, the Aberdeen Angus

-keep them company.

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-All the cattle are in now, Dafydd.

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-All the cattle are in now, Dafydd.

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-Yes, since the start of December.

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-With the weather we've had,

-they're lucky to be where they are.

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-All the cattle

-are black in colour, at least.

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-Yes, we've tried a lot

-of different breeds over the years.

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-But recently, since 2011,

-we've gone into the Aberdeen Angus.

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-It's proving to be

-a good cow so far.

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-How many Welsh Blacks

-and how many Aberdeens do you have?

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-We cross back and forth a bit.

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-Personally, I think the best cow

-you'll get is a cross.

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-It's always going to be better

-than any pedigree cow you could buy.

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-Regarding the calves, how old

-will they be when they're sold?

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-Recently, we've been aiming

-for 16 months.

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-About that, really.

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-But looking at the way

-the market's going...

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-..younger will be the way to go.

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-Ten-month-old calves, even eight,

-have been selling so well...

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-..there's no point keeping them.

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-There are costs

-with TB testing and so on...

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-..so we may as well

-get rid of them earlier.

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-You appear to be

-a happy young farmer, Dafydd.

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-I'm very lucky

-to have been born here.

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-You take it for granted,

-living here every day.

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-The YFC has played

-a big part in my life.

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-I'm very lucky

-that Bryncrug is my local club.

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-We get on well

-and have a lot of fun...

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-..which is very important

-in this industry.

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-It's a lonely industry at times,

-especially in Meirionnydd.

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-It's almost

-the most rural part of Wales.

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-It's important that young people

-get together and enjoy themselves.

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-Six months after the UK decided

-to leave the European Union...

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-..the Prime Minister, Theresa May,

-has outlined her objectives...

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-..on how she sees the country

-moving forwards in the future.

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-The big question is...

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-..what effect will this have

-on Welsh agriculture?

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-At this year's annual

-FUW breakfast in Cardiff Bay...

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-..what was the reaction

-to Theresa May's announcement...

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-..that the UK

-is leaving the Single Market?

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-What did they make of Carwyn Jones

-and Leanne Wood's White Paper...

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-..on their priorities for Wales?

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-The biggest problem

-is the uncertainty.

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-What we need is leadership.

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-One story from Cardiff

-and another from London...

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-..does create problems for us.

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-The Single Market

-is so important to Wales.

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-One third of our lambs

-from our flocks go to Europe.

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-The worst-case scenario

-of going with the WTO...

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-..is that we'll have to pay

-a 40-60% tariff on our lambs.

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-It might be 80% on our beef.

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-We can't live with that.

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-I've heard the First Minister,

-Carwyn Jones, say recently...

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-..that agriculture

-is important to Wales.

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-What Theresa May has said

-scares me a little.

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-If we can't sell into Europe...

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-..we have to look at how we can

-sustain the Welsh rural economy.

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-It might come from other sources,

-but it won't happen overnight.

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-There is a cliff edge looming

-two years from Article 50.

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-It's important that we have time

-to go from one place to another.

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-It's essential that we have

-a free market with no tariffs.

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-If we don't get it, we must look

-at the reality of the situation.

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-90% of exported agricultural

-products go to Europe.

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-It's easy enough to say it...

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-..and I do welcome trade

-with any country...

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-..but if you look at it,

-500 million people live in Europe.

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-That compares to 4.5 million

-living in New Zealand.

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-New Zealand represents

-just 1% of the European population.

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-We have to look at it

-in that context.

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-Euryn Jones is Regional

-Agriculture Director with HSBC.

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-How much of an impact has Brexit

-had on Welsh agriculture up to now?

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-Market prices strengthened

-over the second half of last year.

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-That's especially true

-of the milk market.

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-Milk prices

-have been very low for two years.

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-Those markets have strengthened.

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-For beef and lamb products...

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-..the markets have benefitted

-from a weaker pound.

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-It makes our exports

-more competitive...

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-..and imports

-a little more expensive.

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-The Single Payment has also been

-larger than in recent years.

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-A year ago, Huw Davies

-of Trefaes Fawr, Newcastle Emlyn...

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-..held an open day on his farm...

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-..to highlight the wider importance

-of agriculture to rural Wales.

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-What were his impressions of what

-the Prime Minister had to say?

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-What would be the best deal for you?

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-Personally, I'd like to keep

-the deal that we have now.

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-If we know what we have,

-we can keep going.

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-I would be happy if we found

-new markets for our produce...

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-..in addition to what we have now.

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-But the worry is

-that Theresa May said...

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-.."Out of Europe

-means out of the Single Market".

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-It's easy to come out...

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-..but she hasn't said what other

-markets will take our products.

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-That is a big worry.

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-I'm not happy

-to lose what we have now.

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-Do you think that agriculture...

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-..is getting a fair hearing

-in the Brexit negotiations?

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-No, not at all.

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-There's plenty of talk

-and plenty of promises...

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-..but I'm worried

-about the end result.

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-I don't believe they think

-that we are very important...

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-..in the grand scheme of things.

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-I'm not sure they take enough notice

-of rural affairs.

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-It's a huge worry.

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-You can't change things

-within a year.

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-It takes time

-to change from one market...

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-..to one with other countries.

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-We know how long it has taken

-to get our beef into America.

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-We asked one expert

-whether there are answers.

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-Wyn Morris is a lecturer

-at Aberystwyth University.

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-When we lost that market during

-the Foot and Mouth outbreak...

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-..we saw the effect

-it had on the industry.

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-In the short term...

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-..I foresee a lack of investment

-in the industry.

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-The opening of new markets

-will be a slow process.

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-The big question is,

-what will all this cost?

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-When we make treaties...

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-..it will favour some industries

-and not others.

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-As we look to the future,

-what can Welsh farmers expect?

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-We have to be positive.

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-We have great produce.

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-The industry has to work together...

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-..and farmers

-need to look at production costs.

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-Our produce

-is recognized across the world.

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-That produce

-can demand higher prices.

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-We have to make it work.

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-As far as farms are concerned,

-we have to look at resources.

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-Maybe we should look more

-towards tourism...

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-..environmental projects

-and diversification...

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-..in order for us

-to work efficiently...

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-..and so that the resources

-are used to their full potential.

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-That's all for part one,

-but after the break...

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-..Alun finds out how farmers

-are working with a National Park.

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-We'll see you in a few minutes.

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-Welcome back.

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-A scheme to protect common land in

-the Brecon Beacons National Park...

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-..has come to fruition

-after co-operation between partners.

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-Alun went to see how much of

-a difference this scheme has made.

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-Centuries of agriculture have

-created the special landscape here.

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-In order to protect these fragile

-habitats for future generations...

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-..a unique partnership

-has been established...

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-..between the Brecon Beacons

-National Park Authority...

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-..the Welsh Government,

-through Glastir...

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-..and local grazing associations.

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-Wyn Morgan has worked hard

-to nurture the relationship...

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-..between landowners and grazers

-as a park warden.

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-The grazers

-lost their Tir Mynydd payments.

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-Then they saw that they could go

-into Glastir on the mountain.

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-It was important then

-that they had some support.

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-We saw an opportunity for us

-to come in as a National Park...

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-..to do something on the mountain.

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-We can't get money

-to do much up here...

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-..but there's an opportunity now

-to work with these associations...

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-..to put some projects together.

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-Looking back, one of the problems

-was overgrazing.

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-Is that true these days?

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-No, it isn't. As you can see,

-it's going the other way now.

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-We're on Carreg Goch common.

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-There are only four grazers now.

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-We've fenced off some areas of

-the Black Mountain for conservation.

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-If you go there today,

-you wouldn't be able to walk there.

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-If all the mountain gets like that,

-it'll be no good to anybody.

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-What's the outlook on persuading

-farmers to put more sheep out?

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-Why has that change happened?

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-There are no young people

-coming in to farm the mountain.

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-You have to be raised

-on the mountain.

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-I imagine one of the challenges

-in the days of modern agriculture...

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-..is getting people to put any sort

-of livestock up on a mountain.

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-Yes, there aren't many people

-who keep cattle.

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-There's a huge cost

-to feed them during winter.

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-People used to turn them

-onto the mountain...

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-..but the cattle

-aren't available now.

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-The same is true of sheep.

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-They're too big

-to survive here over winter.

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-Even the mountain farmers

-send them down over the winter.

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-It's very costly.

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-It makes you wonder whether

-they'll go back to smaller sheep...

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-..and use the mountain a bit more.

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-It would be very nice to see that.

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-It would be very nice to see that.

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-That would be good.

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-In the end, what we need

-is a market for the lambs.

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-That's it. The supermarkets

-have made things the way they are.

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-They wanted bigger lamb joints.

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-Anything under 40 kilos

-is a much cheaper price.

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-Over 40 kilos always sells best now.

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-Getting the mountain lambs

-up to that is quite an achievement.

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-With the Park extending

-for over 520 square miles...

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-..there's quite an area

-to look after.

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-One completed scheme

-is the restoration of a sheepfold...

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-..near Craig-y-Nos

-in the Swansea Valley.

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-At its heart is one large circle.

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-It's a very interesting design.

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-You're right.

-The whole fold is in a circle.

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-The large circle is inside and the

-small ones go off from the middle.

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-As you can see,

-all the holes go into each fold.

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-And those holes lead

-to a special fold for each farm.

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-Yes.

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-I've had a piece of paper

-from the chairman of Carreg Goch...

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-..and the name of every farm

-is on every fold.

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-I think those farms

-are under forestry now.

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-They were small farms at that time.

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-You can see the size of the folds

-and they're not very big.

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-This is key to understanding...

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-..the history of land use

-in this area.

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-You're right.

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-There are folds everywhere,

-but nobody uses them now...

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-..because everyone

-gathers at the farm now.

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-They're all deteriorating.

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-The folds that haven't been used for

-years have a lot of growth in them.

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-The sheep that are on the mountain

-in the summer...

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-..are starting

-to travel through them now.

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-They're in and out

-seeking a bit of shade, probably.

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-Garry Williams from Blaencennen

-Farm, Gwynfe, Llangadog...

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-..has been a key part

-of the grazing partnership.

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-The grazers we have now

-on the Black Mountain here...

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-..include Carreg Goch and Palleg.

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-Two we have here on the Black

-Mountain have gone into Glastir.

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-You have Glanaman and Pedol y Twrch

-and Mynydd Myddfai.

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-Five of us have gone in.

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-We have land around the farm...

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-..but also,

-we're what you call commoners.

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-We have rights to graze sheep,

-cattle and horses.

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-Those rights

-go back years and years.

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-Usually, if you buy a farm...

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-..you get the rights to put stock

-out on the mountain with the farm.

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-It's not easy to make a living

-on an upland farm.

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-Lots of schemes have been lost.

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-Is that what drove you

-towards Glastir, mainly?

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-Through modulation...

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-..we've lost close to 20%

-of the Single Payment.

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-Also, the HLCA and Tir Mynydd

-have come to an end.

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-So we had to look at the

-Glastir scheme on the mountain...

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-..to try to get some money

-back into the area.

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-At first glance...

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-..the Brecon Beacons and the

-Black Mountain area look wonderful.

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-But there are problems

-which need to be resolved...

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-..to ensure a thriving future

-for the National Park.

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-The co-operation between

-the Black Mountain grazers...

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-..and the Park Authority

-is obviously paying off here.

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-The National Park and the grazers...

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-..definitely work much more closely

-than we used to.

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-Fair play to the Park, they

-wanted us to go into the scheme...

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-..and they helped us to go into it.

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-At the end of the day,

-they own the mountain...

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-..but they need us too as grazers...

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-..to help them to manage

-and look after the mountain.

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-I think the Government

-and the Assembly...

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-..will be quite happy with that.

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-These schemes last five years

-at the moment.

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-What's next?

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-We've heard that this scheme

-will go on until 2019.

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-We don't know what's happening

-after that.

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-We don't know what's happening

-with every scheme.

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-I hope that we've shown

-the Government and the Assembly...

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-..the work is going on here.

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-Someone has to look after

-the countryside.

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-Someone has to do it.

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-I think we can show that we've

-accomplished some very good work.

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-That's it for this week.

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-We'll be back

-at the same time next week.

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-Until then, thanks for your company.

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-Goodbye.

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Bydd Alun ym Mannau Brycheiniog yn gweld sut mae'r Parc Cenedlaethol a'r ffermwyr lleol yn cyd-weithio.Alun is in the Brecon Beacons to see how farmers work together with the National Park.


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