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Hello, and a very warm welcome to Landward,

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which this week comes from the stunning Dawyck Botanic Garden

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in the Borders.

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It's one of the world's finest arboreta,

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with colourful displays of exotic and native plants

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throughout the year.

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But we're not just here to marvel at all the trees and the flowers.

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We're here to find out about a Victorian hydro scheme that

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once powered this estate and has now been brought back to life.

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More on that later but first,

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here's what else is coming up on the programme.

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Euan investigates conflict on the high seas.

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Nick's got a seasonal treat for the people of Drymen.

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Hmm. I prefer that one.

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-That, sir, is the Scottish one.

-Excellent.

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And we meet a Commonwealth hopeful, ready to take on her rivals.

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I've been practising loads and, hopefully,

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I'll be able to catch them.

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But first to Aberdeenshire. Seals are one of our most-loved creatures,

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sometimes called "the Labrador of the sea".

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But they're not always popular with salmon farmers and fishermen.

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In the first of two reports this week,

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Euan is finding out how the current seal population is faring.

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This is the stunning Ythan Estuary at Newburgh in Aberdeenshire.

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It's one of the best places in the north of Scotland

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for watching wildlife -

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eider ducks, terns and hundreds upon hundreds of seals.

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Low tide is the best time to see the seals hauled out on the beach

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and it's only now you get a feeling

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of just how many seals there actually are.

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Callun Duck is a senior scientist

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from the Sea Mammal Research Unit at St Andrews University.

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I'm meeting him here at the Ythan to find out about

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the state of seal populations around our coast.

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-Hi.

-Euan, hi.

-Quite impressive, isn't it?

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Yes, it's the biggest haul-out site on the east coast of Scotland

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for grey seals.

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How are the seals doing, generally, around the coast?

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Very different for the two species. We start with common seals.

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Although they're called common or harbour seals,

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they're neither common nor found in harbours,

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so a bit of a duff name.

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On the east coast, in the Northern Isles, Shetland and Orkney,

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numbers have gone down very dramatically since 2000.

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What about the grey seals? How are they doing?

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Grey seals are much more steady. They're static on the west coast.

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Their numbers are not going up very much in the west,

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but they're slowly increasing in Orkney.

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Some of the other colonies in the east coast are in the Firth of Forth

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and more down in the southeast of England,

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so round the Wash, those colonies are increasing very rapidly,

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but the ones in Scotland are increasing slowly compared to

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what they were ten years ago.

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So what are these guys eating?

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You'd have thought any sea trout or salmon going up this river

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wouldn't have a hope of getting past.

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If they were all eating salmon or sea trout, they wouldn't.

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They would clean up every fish that was coming in. But they don't.

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A lot of the fish in the scats of the seals here are flatfish,

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and the Ythan is well known for being a big flounder site.

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I don't know how many flounders are left here

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but that's what the seals are targeting.

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Why would they take flatfish rather than salmon

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and sea trout going right past their door?

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The seals are lazy predators. They're not like lions or cheetahs.

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Although they're big, fast swimming animals,

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they don't like working hard if they don't need to.

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They're lazy, a bit like humans,

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so they'll take whatever food is easily accessed.

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What about nets? Will they take them from nets?

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Yes, because the fish are already caught. That's a ready meal.

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So they will take, and fishermen do have an issue with nets,

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and we're working with quite a few to see if we there are ways other

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than shooting seals to dissuade them from coming into the nets.

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So, what are the options?

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The option that we're trying at the minute

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are acoustic deterrent devices, - seal scarers -

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that they use at fish farms.

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They keep seals away from the nets.

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Some of my colleagues have been using these up in the Moray Firth,

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and also now working in the east coast at other netting stations,

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and they do keep seals away from nets.

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But these sonar scarers are only in the trial phase.

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Later in the programme, I'll talk to fishermen

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who are part of the trial but want to keep the option to kill.

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And I meet the international animal rights group

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that they're battling with.

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While Euan gets in amongst the action,

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I'm getting an altogether more relaxing experience.

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At a time when the whole country is more concerned than ever with

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energy issues, I'm off to explore the history and future of one

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of Scotland's oldest private hydroelectricity schemes.

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The Dawyck garden lies just southwest of Peebles

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and I've chosen the right time of year to come.

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There are stunning displays of azaleas, rhododendrons,

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Himalayan poppies and many other exotic specimens.

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It's famous for its trees.

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The 65-acre site has a magnificent collection

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built up over the centuries.

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Like, for example, that European fir, planted in 1680.

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That's 334 years ago. Extraordinary.

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The house at Dawyck is privately owned

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but the gardens were gifted to the Royal Botanic Gardens

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in Edinburgh in 1978 by the Balfour family,

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who still own the surrounding estate.

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Dawyck was bought by the Balfours in 1897.

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It was wealthy widow Janet who used her husband's shipping fortune

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to buy the estate.

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And her spending didn't stop there.

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At the turn of the 20th century,

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it was Janet Balfour who installed a hydro scheme to harness

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the power of the this, the Scrape Burn,

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a tributary of the Tweed, and Dawyck became one of the first

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estates in Scotland to have its own electricity supply.

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We're heading to the site of the old dynamo house.

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'The old system was replaced by mains electricity in the 1950s,

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'but Janet's great-grandson Robert Balfour

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'is taking me to the spot where the old turbines were housed.'

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-This is the actual site of it.

-Yeah.

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-You can see the indentation in the ground.

-Hmm.

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And the only photograph that we've got anywhere of it is this one...

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-which was a very substantial building in those days.

-Wow.

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And that was just to house two generators.

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So, how successful was it at producing electricity?

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-In those days, obviously remarkable.

-Yeah.

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But the lights flickered, sometimes you had to

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read between the flickering, it failed from time to time.

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What do you think her thinking was,

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putting in the hydro scheme here at the estate?

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I think, probably, it was for practical reasons.

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She was a real forerunner in the days.

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It was one of the first private schemes

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ever put into any house in Scotland.

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In their day, the old generators were at the cutting edge of technology.

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That spirit lives on.

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The estate has just installed a new hydroelectric generator which,

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combined with a biomass boiler,

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makes it the first carbon-neutral botanic garden in the country.

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This is what's known as the dynamo pond,

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so this was the original water supply for the hydroelectric system.

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'Garden curator Graham Stewart is showing me part

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'of the old Victorian system that's been repurposed for the new scheme.'

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The burn was originally dammed to provide

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the head of water for the historical scheme,

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and it also now gives the head of water for the new scheme as well.

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The turbine can generate up to 11 kilowatts.

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Do you sell any of that back to the Grid, potentially?

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We do. It's generating all the time,

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so while the garden and the visitor centre's open,

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we're supporting our own usage of electric

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but we're also, outwith opening times, we're putting

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back into the Grid, so there's the revenue from it as well.

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The fact there was a hydro scheme here before,

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did that inspire you to putting the new one in?

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It was part of that, and it was also, from an environmental point

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of view, the garden thinks very much about its impact on the environment.

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There as a considerable investment in the garden's

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infrastructure in 2008, so we opened a new visitors' centre then,

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and it was very much a cutting-edge building.

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It's a biomass boiler, it's a sedum roof,

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so I was looking for a way to build on what we'd already achieved,

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so the hydroelectric seemed like a good way forward.

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But with large, well-established trees all around,

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it offered a few challenges.

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This Douglas fir is a fairly substantial tree, isn't it?

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Yes, it's a massive tree.

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And it was one of the problems we encountered with laying

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-the pipes for the hydro.

-Uh-huh.

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So much so that here, the pipes go under the ground -

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they're almost a metre under the ground - so in order to avoid

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the roots, we had to dig by hand to get the pipes under.

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-So huge roots for a tree that size, yeah?

-Massive roots.

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The spread on the roots is going to be at least what the canopy is,

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so we were only going to ever face a problem...

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-Right.

-..for the pipes.

-Hand dug?

-Hand dug.

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-Seriously hard work?

-Very hard work!

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You wouldn't notice, though, that's the amazing thing.

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-You would not notice at all now. It looks incredible.

-That's right.

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That's the power of nature.

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-It healed itself up and now you'd be hard pushed to tell.

-Hmm.

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This garden is spectacular and well worth a visit.

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It plays an important role in protecting rare species

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and now that the hydro has been restored,

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it's doing its bit to protect the wider environment as well.

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As we saw two weeks ago

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when we met the first of our Commonwealth Games hopefuls, the

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Scottish countryside is the perfect training ground for athletes.

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A few miles east of Dawyck lies the village of Gordon.

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The roads and countryside around it are the ideal setting

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for potential Scotland medallist Sammi Kinghorn to train in.

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-You OK? Do you need to stretch? You all right?

-I'm well stretched.

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After taking up the sport only three years ago,

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the 18-year-old para-athlete is already one of Europe's leading

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wheelchair racers,

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and will be competing in Glasgow in the 1,500m event.

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There are only six weeks to competition

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and with her coach, Ian Mirfin, Sammi is making

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the most of the peaceful rural environment in her training.

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It's quiet and there's not really anyone. It's quite hilly, as well.

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You get downhill and uphill, which is good for fast arms, going downhill,

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and uphill just for strength building.

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At the weekend, me and my dad will go out on the main road

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and we'll do a bigger circuit for longer.

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I've never had a car drive too close to me, or anything like that,

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because everyone knows me and they'll know when I'm out.

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I always get toots of the horn or waves, and stuff.

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Someone'll wave at me and make me

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want to push a little bit harder and it's just nice to know people...

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They know me.

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Sammi's journey to becoming the top European athlete in her class began

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only a few months after breaking her back in an accident in 2010.

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I went to the spinal unit in Glasgow and spent six months there doing

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rehabilitation, and I went to a thing called the Spinal Unit Games.

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It's just like a big competition kind of thing

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where all the spinal units across Scotland, England, Wales and Ireland

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all come together, and that's basically where I found athletics.

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I think I did athletics on the second day and that was it.

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I was in love with it and I didn't want to do anything else.

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There's no event in the Games

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for Sammi's particular disability classification,

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so, in order to compete, she's taking on a category

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for people with more upper body strength and power.

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I am classified as a T53, which means I have no core stability,

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so I'm not able to lift in my chair,

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so it's just arm power completely down through my wheels.

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But because it's a home Games and I really want to do it,

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I'm going up a level to compete as a 54,

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which basically means that they have more movement than I do.

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It's a little bit harder

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and they're a little bit quicker off the start,

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but I've just been practising loads

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and hopefully I'll be able to catch them.

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Sammi's coach has no doubt she's strong enough,

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physically and mentally, to compete at that level.

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She'll do everything she can

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to finish as high up in the race as she can.

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She's the most determined athlete I've ever met.

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You can see what she's like,

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and, just for example, having a chat with her dad this morning

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before Sammi came through,

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after the weekend and having been away racing, we'd said,

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"Just an easy push on Monday morning,

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"just go out for half an hour, take it easy."

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He said, "Oh, the push was fine, but you know Sammi,

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"you know what happens.

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He told me the time she'd done the push in and how far she'd gone.

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Basically, it was an eyeballs-out push that she did,

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but she doesn't know the meaning of the word "easy".

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As she prepares for the Games, Sammi has found the countryside

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round her home in the Borders a constant inspiration.

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This is, basically, you know, my favourite place to come,

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if I'm sad or if I need time on my own just to think.

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It's just...

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Just so quiet.

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It kind of brings you back to earth

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and shows you what a lovely place I live

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and just to be thankful for how lucky I am to live here

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and to have all the opportunities I've got.

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And we wish Sammi luck when she races in Glasgow at the end of July.

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The local agricultural show

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is the highlight of the summer calendar for many rural communities.

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With prize-winning livestock, crafts, horses,

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good gossip and a beer tent, they're always a good day out.

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That's why Nick and Sarah have taken the Landward food van along

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to one of the first of the season - Drymen Show - to join in the fun.

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Open for business!

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We're going to be cooking a wonderful Scottish product

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-that's at its very best right now, and it is...

-Asparagus.

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And that's obviously fantastic in terms of food miles,

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because it's locally grown in Scotland,

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but we are going to have to compare it against some imported asparagus

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from Peru, then we're going to go out there and test it

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on the lovely people at Drymen Show.

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-We are indeed, and we're going to cook it very simply.

-OK.

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We're going to cook it in boiling salted water

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and serve it with a little bit of hollandaise

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that you and I are both going to make.

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-I love to help, you know that.

-I do.

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-But first let's talk to a man who knows more about asparagus.

-Lead on.

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'Asparagus is normally cultivated in the drier East Coast of Scotland.

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'But grower Robert Ritchie from Renfrewshire

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'is attempting something new -

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'growing it on the West Coast.'

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So, you're the asparagus grower?

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Yes, we started in May last year

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and put in 30,000 asparagus crowns.

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And you're doing this on the West Coast of Scotland?

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Nobody's done this before.

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It rains a lot in the West of Scotland,

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so we're fighting against the climate all the time, but we've

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got it in a south-facing slope and it's done really well.

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How do you think the taste of locally grown asparagus

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compares with imported asparagus?

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I mean, the food miles thing, you're miles ahead on that.

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But what about taste?

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Taste - it's definitely a lot crisper,

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a lot fresher taste you get from it, and the big thing about us

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is we can harvest it in the afternoon,

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so it can be on the plate in the restaurant

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in less than 24 hours from the time it was harvested.

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Do you think the public can tell the difference

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between your asparagus and imported asparagus?

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No doubt at all. Ours is the best.

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Fantastic, we will put that to the test!

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-Hang around and we'll have a taste later.

-OK, thank you.

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Get the pan on.

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So, Sarah, we are going to make some hollandaise.

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Fantastic - what can I do?

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Three egg yolks, could you add a little smidge of mustard in there,

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-and a pinch of salt?

-Is that smidge enough?

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That's a smidge. And a little bit of lemon juice.

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What I've got in here is some ordinary melted butter.

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If you could pour the butter in slowly as I whizz it.

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-So I've got the hot, boiling butter.

-You've got the hot stuff.

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Pour a little bit in, just a splash. There we go.

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-Whoa, that'll do.

-Happy?

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-Yeah. Oops, sorry about that.

-Stand back.

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There she goes, little bit more, thank you.

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-Beautiful.

-Teamwork, teamwork.

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-You can do it with a hand blender...

-More?

-Yeah, thank you.

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..or a jug blender.

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Keep going. Yeah, beautiful.

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There we have...

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-A nice hollandaise sauce.

-Lovely, thick hollandaise.

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And is that too thick?

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No! You can never have hollandaise too thick.

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-It's like thick, hot mayonnaise.

-Can I have a wee taste off the...?

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You can have a little taste, yeah.

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-That's very good. That's very nice.

-It's crying out for asparagus.

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It's crying out for asparagus, so let's get on with the asparagus.

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Right, the Peruvian asparagus first.

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Peruvian asparagus, boiling salted water.

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-Four.

-Four minutes.

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Four minutes, out it goes, in the hollandaise.

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Actually, you should bite the head off first

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then dip the stalk in the hollandaise.

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Are there alternative ways to cook them? Steam them?

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You can steam them, chargrill them, bake them,

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you can barbecue them - it's a very versatile vegetable, asparagus.

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Four minutes for the Peruvian asparagus,

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out it comes onto a tray.

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Fantastic.

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Can you cook ahead if you're having people around,

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-can you cook ahead?

-No, no, no.

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-You can't keep asparagus?

-You can't keep it, no.

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We need to do the other asparagus now.

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Salted water, in it goes.

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-Another four?

-Three minutes.

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-Three?

-It's fresher, it's slightly thinner,

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it's going to take less cooking time.

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-OK.

-The timer's done.

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That's the asparagus done, the Scottish asparagus.

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I think people are going to love this.

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Asparagus is synonymous with the summertime.

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And it's a gift, you know, it's a very short season.

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-May till...?

-It's April until June.

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-Late April until June.

-So not long at all.

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We're off to test Asparagus on the good people of Drymen Show.

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Yes, let's do it.

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-You prefer this one?

-Yes.

-That is Scottish asparagus.

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May I ask which you prefer?

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That's sweeter.

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I'll hold your burger. I'll hold your burger.

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Taste.

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-BABY GROANS

-Mm-hmm.

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You'll get it later.

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-That one is actually grown in Peru.

-Is it?

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OK.

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-BABY CRIES

-Delicious.

-Sorry! Sorry!

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I prefer that one.

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-That, sir, is the Scottish one.

-Excellent.

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OK, do you want the good news or the bad news?

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Let's get the good news, surely.

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Good news - most people prefer the Scottish variety, your asparagus.

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The bad news is two people preferred the Peruvian ones.

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-Obviously no taste buds.

-Obviously no taste buds.

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Come on, let's see how Nick got on.

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I had seven people polled -

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five people definitely preferred the Scottish,

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one didn't know and one, bizarrely, preferred the Peruvian.

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Well, the people I spoke to,

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most preferred the Scottish, which is fantastic.

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What I'm loving about Robert's product is it is local, seasonal,

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and people recognise it on the plate. It's fantastic.

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It really is fantastic that people's taste buds can tell

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the difference between something that's grown 20 miles away

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and something grown thousands of miles away.

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That's it for this week at the food van.

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Next week we're going to be finding out how much people

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are willing to pay for a Scottish burger.

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In the meantime, do you fancy a beer?

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-Beer!

-I need one.

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Earlier in the programme, we heard about the current state of Scotland's

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seal populations and how they like a quick and easy meal from salmon nets.

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Now I'm further up the coast in a tiny village,

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where a big battle is being played out.

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This is Gardenstown, known locally as Gamrie,

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and this picturesque north-east port dates back to 1720.

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But this humble seaside village has become the focus of international

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attention as animal rights activists and salmon netsmen clash over seals.

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-Good afternoon.

-Good afternoon, sir.

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-Can I come on board?

-Yes, welcome aboard.

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-Watch your feet coming down.

-Picked a day for it.

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'I'm meeting David Pullar of Usan Fisheries,

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'which also trades as The Scottish Wild Salmon Company.

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'They have the rights to net salmon on this,

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'as well as other parts of the coast.

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'I asked David what problems they're facing.'

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Well, we have quite a major problem here.

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The seals just get into the net, steal the fish,

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mutilate them, destroy them -

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basically, what I would say, it's exactly the same

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as a farmer having a problem with a fox taking the likes of lambs

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or chickens, they'll go into the field,

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and once they get the taste for it they're there day after day.

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We're heading out to sea to look at some of their coastal nets.

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So how does that work?

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Is that like the ones you would see on a beach,

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-the salmon come along, hit the net...

-Exactly the same.

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They're arrow shaped, like floating traps with a leader

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that goes from the shore to the trap, and as the fish come along

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they get guided along the leader and into the trap.

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'A few minutes later, we're at the nets. So, do we have a fish?'

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Is there anything there at all?

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How often would you get none?

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Oh, we'll get none more often than we get lots.

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Nothing there.

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It's very early in the season and so far we haven't seen a salmon,

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or a seal, for that matter.

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But in the height of the netting season things are very different.

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Usan, like other fisheries interests, apply for a licence

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from the Scottish Government to shoot seals that are targeting their nets.

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What kind of hoops to you have to jump through to get a licence?

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Well, we have to applied to Marine Scotland annually.

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You have to prove that the seals are doing damage,

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so we have to photograph all the time

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that there's fish with heads taken off, tails, gashes in them.

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So we put all that evidence to Marine Scotland in Aberdeen.

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But there must be a concern

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about safely shooting the seals, cos this boat's moving around

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all the time, and you're shooting a seal...

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No, we don't shoot off the boat.

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It states on the licence we can only shoot from a stable platform.

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We will go ashore, we'll put the person with the rifle

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ashore if we see a seal damaging the fish,

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and then he'll take the shot from there.

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'But Usan Fisheries says shooting seals is a last resort.

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'They've implemented a number of measures to keep the seals away

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'from the fish, including stronger and more sophisticated nets.

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'They're also involved in the scientific trial

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'we heard about earlier on in the programme,

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'testing the effectiveness of acoustic deterrent devices.'

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That's the acoustic deterrent device.

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The whole project is run by the Seal Mammal Research Unit.

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'The device works by emitting a sound that the seals find uncomfortable.'

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RAPID CLICKING

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So is this the idea, ultimately you won't have to shoot seals?

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Well, we only shoot them as a very last resort.

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We want to catch salmon, we don't want to shoot seals. Quite simple.

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Last year, Usan shot over 30 seals here at Gardenstown

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under the terms of its licence.

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So far this year, they've shot only one.

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But there's a reason for that.

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The marine animal welfare conservation society Sea Shepherd

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famously used direct action tactics to take on the might

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of the Japanese whaling fleet in the southern ocean.

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They've moved some of their resources to Gardenstown

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as part of their Scottish Seal Defence Campaign.

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We tried to reason with them

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and said that we only ever have to shoot a seal as a last resort,

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and they said they want absolutely no seals shot,

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so they couldn't care less about us protecting our livelihood

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or fish welfare in the net, the damage they do to the fish.

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They had no consideration of that, as long as no seals were shot.

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There are two sides to every story,

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and I'm back at the harbour to meet Rob Reid from Sea Shepherd.

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We were called in by local residents

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who were concerned about the shooting of their local seals,

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and Usan Salmon Fisheries -

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which is the Scottish Wild Salmon Company -

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shoot more seals than any other company.

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So, in effect, we've started our Scottish Seal Defence Campaign

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right here with one of the worst offenders.

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But you say worst offenders - they're acting under licence

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from the Scottish Government, they're 100% legal.

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We believe they're shooting seals

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when the seals aren't around their nets.

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It's basically more of a seal eradication programme,

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to make sure that seals don't interfere with their salmon nets.

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But the company say they've only shot one seal this year.

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They've only shot one seal this year because we are here.

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By this time last year, they shot 18 seals here.

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We're not actually interested

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in interfering with their salmon fishing.

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We are here to intervene against the shooting of seals,

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so if the rifle goes out on their boats,

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then Sea Shepherd UK will follow.

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So how long will you stay?

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We will stay as long as seals are at risk of being shot.

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We have had two major negotiation meetings,

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and our stance is very, very clear.

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We want the Scottish Wild Salmon Company to declare themselves

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a seal friendly company.

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So, if they stop shooting seals,

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then Sea Shepherd UK will stop following them.

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This is a complex issue,

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and my initial personal feelings were that the shooting of seals is wrong.

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I still think it's wrong.

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But I also accept the fact that fishermen don't want to shoot seals,

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but do have the absolute right to protect their livelihood.

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There has to be a better way,

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and scientists, Government and fishermen

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need to get together and sort it out.

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On next week's programme, what price Nick's burgers?

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I'm not sure, can I have another one, please?

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I look at the multimillion pound make-over

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as Gleneagles prepares to host the Ryder Cup...

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..and our third Commonwealth competitor is aiming for gold.

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So, please join us for that and much more at the same time

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next week, Friday night, 7:30pm on BBC Two Scotland.

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In the meantime, from all the Landward team

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here at Dawyck Botanic Garden, thank you so much for your company.

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Bye for now.

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