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and it's home to Scotland's newest and largest solar-energy farm.

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I'm in one of the remotest places in mainland Scotland.

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There's barely a road here and you need a boat to get to the pub.

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Welcome to Knoydart.

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Hello and a very warm welcome to Landward.

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This week, I'm on the Knoydart Peninsula and, in a moment,

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I'll be investigating a controversy that's been raging for months.

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First, here's what else is coming up on the programme.

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We head to the hills for one of nature's most amazing spectacles...

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I can never tire of watching black grouse at the lek.

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..Euan is on the hunt for the sun...

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There must be sunnier places to build a solar station.

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It's not all about direct sun, it's about sunlight.

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..and Sarah discovers the pleasures to be had in a hut.

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All that picture-book stuff that everybody looks

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back on, their idyllic childhood, it happens here.

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But, first, I'm on the Knoydart Peninsula,

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one of Scotland's great wildernesses, to investigate

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the controversy raging over one of our most majestic animals.

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Knoydart is such a beautiful, peaceful and tranquil place

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but there is an argument rumbling between conservationists and

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shooting estates, which is causing deep divisions within the community.

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And it's posing wider questions about the best way to manage

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deer numbers across Scotland.

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At the centre of the controversy is

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the Li and Coire Dhorrcail Woodland.

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Only accessible by boat, I'm being taken there by Lester Standen,

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who manages the land for the owner, the John Muir Trust.

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It's the trust's intention to bring the woodland back to life

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after decades of deforestation and overgrazing.

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Not that you can see much today in this spring snowfall.

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The John Muir Trust want to turn this land into a thriving

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piece of the Caledonian Forest.

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The problem is, deer eat young trees

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and their numbers have to be controlled.

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Last year, the trust shot 86 stags and left them

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on the hill to rot where they fell

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and this infuriated neighbouring sporting estates.

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The estates saw the cull as a waste

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and would rather the deer were used for stalking or other

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forms of tourism that would bring money into the area.

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It's an argument that has run and run

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since emotive headlines began appearing in the press.

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Regardless, Lester still has to deal with the damage

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to the woodland he has to protect.

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This young tree has been thrashed about and they've pulled it

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and broken it off.

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A lot of the trees are actually doing quite well here

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because we're actually controlling the deer numbers,

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so we can live with that level of damage but we've only been

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doing the culling here since 2008.

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If you went back to 2008, none of these seedlings would be here

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because every time a seedling comes up...

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you get two or three inches of growth

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and then the tops being nipped off.

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The trust maintain that leaving the carcasses on the hill

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encourages a variety of other animals, such as golden eagles

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and badgers, as well as providing essential nutrients for the soil.

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But there are also practical reasons for leaving the deer on the hill.

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We always leave some carcasses

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and it depends on how hard they are to extract.

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Some of them you just can't get them out because of where they're shot.

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They're away up on the hills

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and it takes a hell of a long time to get up there, get the deer culled

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and then it is impossible to get them out from that area.

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SNH did a helicopter survey of this area

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and found 14 stags yet you culled 86 last summer. Isn't that excessive?

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It's not excessive in the whole area.

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I mean, it might sound excessive in terms of the 14

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they counted but then it depends what day they count.

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They can come and count 14 on this area one day

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and the next day they might come in

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and find there's 300 here or something.

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Come on, come on.

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One of those who objected to the trust's control methods is

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fellow Knoydart landowner

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and chair of the Knoydart Deer Management group, Sir Patrick Grant.

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I'm joining him as he feeds wild deer.

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We feed the stags in the winter time

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because they are the main product.

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This is a farming exercise.

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So we don't want them dying unnecessarily in winter

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and we don't want them wandering onto crofts or into neighbouring

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forestry or other areas where they shouldn't be.

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The John Muir Trust killed 86 stags and left them on the hill.

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What's your opinion about the way they went about that?

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First of all, it was a shocking waste of a community resource.

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The herd is a community resource.

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I estimate that an individual stag, if you look at the downstream

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tourist-value chain, it's between ?1,000 and ?2,000 to the local area.

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The main driver of the local economy here is the deer-stalking industry.

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What do you want the John Muir Trust to do, then?

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I would like them to stop fighting with local communities

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and work with us.

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They can achieve their objectives by doing that.

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It's perfectly possible to achieve their laudable objectives.

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Nobody is objecting to conservation, we just need to work together.

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The John Muir Trust say they do consult with the community and other

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groups but there are some landowners who refuse to speak to them.

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Scotland's wild deer belong to no-one.

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Landowners - be they individuals, public bodies or charities -

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work together to look after them and control numbers.

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This is largely a voluntary arrangement

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and when there are disagreements, they can be difficult to resolve.

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What's happened here on Knoydart, where the two sides are poles apart,

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have led some to question whether the voluntary set-up is

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actually working and whether new legal powers need to be introduced.

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You can give us your thoughts by heading to our Facebook page

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or e-mail...

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And, later in the programme, we'll be on

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the Mar Lodge Estate in Aberdeenshire with their year-round

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ecologist to see what happens at the black grouse lek.

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Meanwhile, Sarah is heading into the hills herself.

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With the help of some schoolchildren, she's about

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to uncover what remains of a piece of farming life from a bygone age.

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Today, with the spring sunshine on my back, I'm visiting

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the Shieling Project near Beauly where ancient farming practices

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are being brought back to life for the first time in generations.

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I've come to meet the man behind the project and find out why

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these lost traditions are still so relevant today.

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Sam? Hello.

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Hi, good morning. Sarah. How are you doing? Good, thanks.

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Sam Harrison is the director of the Shieling Project.

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The shieling is a really beautiful cultural system that was

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based in the Highlands,

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where people would.... This time of year, they would gather

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everything up. Summer? Summertime, yeah, start of summer

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and they would take all their livestock and walk up to

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the hill and live up there in little bothies for the summer.

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So why are we here?

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Well, this is the kind of winter town, so this is where everybody

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would have been living and

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the cereal crops would have been growing.

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Can I have a look around the site? Absolutely. Come with me.

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Now, as a kid, I always remember a shieling as somewhere

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in the Cairngorms I was taken for, like, a hot chocolate and a biscuit.

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I mean, how old are they? Well, they're really old.

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We haven't got a good date about how far they go back

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but they're at least medieval.

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This is a reconstruction of what they think shieling huts

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would have looked like from the Highland Folk Museum.

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Pretty basic. Very basic.

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It's basically just a shelter for you to sleep in.

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No windows, pretty much no doors. And everything else you're doing

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outside. Despite the Scottish weather. Absolutely.

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Right, OK, it's part of my job remit to get my hands dirty,

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so can I do something? Absolutely. It's a really practical project,

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so come over here and we'll get you started. Right, OK.

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Right, what are we going to do?

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So we're going to make a new peat-spade handle today.

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Fantastic. So this is a piece of local ash. Any tips?

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Yup, so we just want to be careful.

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We've got a sharp knife there but just shave gently.

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Keep it nice and smooth.

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Keep it nice and smooth, just shaving off little bits.

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You can't put it back on again once you've taken it off.

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Yeah, so just explain a little bit about your Shieling Project.

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So the Shieling Project is about traditional skills,

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about children coming to learn the history of what

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they would have been doing 300 years ago.

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But it's also about what that means now.

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So where they get their food from, going and living in the hills

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and things like traditional building and sustainability as well.

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How they relate to and understand their landscape around them.

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In today's society and our modern world, where we're

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so worried about letting kids do anything,

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what do they get out of it when they come?

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They have a great time, you know.

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They might not know what they're getting into at the start

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but this is a great example of what we might do.

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So they might come and learn about the old peat spades

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and they might actually take part in making one

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and then they'd go up to the hill to the old peat moss,

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cut peats and then another school might bring them down and put them

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on the fire and make a cup of tea with them.

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Do you think it's still relevant, then? Absolutely, yes.

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It's those kinds of experiences that are going to stick with the kids

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when they grow up and make their choices about

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how they live in the future. So it's really relevant.

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OK, so I just want to tell you a bit about the shieling that

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we're going to go and find.

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'Sam and I are taking these schoolchildren

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'from the Black Isle two miles up the hill.

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'The same journey their ancestors last made 150 years ago.'

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It obviously beats the classroom

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because these guys are powering on ahead.

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He's setting quite a good pace, isn't he?

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They're doing fantastically well.

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Whoohoo! Yeah! We're here!

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We made it!

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I just wanted to say a really big "well done"

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and we need to put our archaeology hats on.

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Put your archaeology hat on.

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We need to start looking around for some evidence of shieling life.

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There's not much left of it.

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'While Sam and the kids do that, I catch up with teacher Kirst Edgar.'

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Kirst, the kids seem completely immersed in what Sam's saying.

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How do you think they've enjoyed this experience today?

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I think they've had a whale of a time.

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They're just really enjoying getting out

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and about and finding out things from real people,

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not just the teacher telling them about things in the classroom.

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Would you subscribe to more of this type of classroom environment?

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Yes, please, but maybe a...less steep hill next time.

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But what do these budding historians think?

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Did you find that tough - the walk? Yeah, but it was well worth it.

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Was it? So what did you think when you got to the top?

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"Yes, finally! Now I can have lunch."

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Does this beat sitting in a classroom all day? Er, yeah.

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How much better is it? Erm, quite a lot, yeah.

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What better way is there of teaching kids about the history

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of the landscape than by bringing them out into this environment

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and giving them a hands-on experience?

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Have you enjoyed it, kids? Yeah!

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OK, last one down the hill is a hairy kipper.

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It looks a bit chilly up that hill near Beauly.

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Further south, Euan's hoping for some brighter weather as he is

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finding out why Tayside is an ideal location for Scotland's

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latest renewable-energy project.

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The sun, the source of light and energy to grow the food we eat.

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You know, it's amazing.

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I can feel the heat on my back

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from a ball of fire that's 150 million kilometres away.

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But when you consider that you can fit the entire earth

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1.3 million times into the sun, then it's not quite

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so surprising that it's a great source of energy.

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Unfortunately, us Scots don't see as much of the sun as we would like.

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We get a fraction of the sunshine hours of our Continental neighbours.

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For example, through the summer months,

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Barcelona has twice the number of hours of sunshine as Edinburgh.

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Hence the Scottish speciality tan, now in peely-wally.

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But while we like sunshine hours and high temperatures,

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we've no shortage of light. Especially in the summer months,

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when there can be as much as 18 hours of daylight

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in a 24-hour period.

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And that's what these gadgets are designed to gather - light!

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This is Errol Estate between Perth and Dundee

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and it's home to Scotland's newest and largest solar-energy farm.

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There are 55,000 panels covering 70 acres of land.

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To find out more about this unusual farm,

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I'm meeting Thomas McMillan of Savills, who manage the estate.

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The landowner, who is renting the land out to Canadian Solar,

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this site was developed by Elgin Energy

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and they then worked with Canadian Solar to build it out.

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This is a really obvious question

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but why would a Canadian company want to invest in Scotland?

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Look at it, it's not the sunniest day in the world, there must be

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sunnier places to build a solar station?

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It's not all about direct sun, it's about sunlight.

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So in Scotland we have incredibly long summer days.

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And it's cool, which actually helps the panels perform better.

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In simplistic terms, how do these actually work?

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Because people will have seen them on the top of houses

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but how do you get the electricity out of the sun?

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So the light comes on, hits the panel,

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the panel splits the positive

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and the negative charge and that goes off to produce the electricity.

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So you kind of collect it all together.

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It just keeps on collecting, collecting,

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goes down these lines here and then goes off

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towards the substation. So how much are you going to produce?

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The scheme is sized at 40 megawatts.

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It will produce that in the best day of the summer, really.

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But it's about 3,500 houses worth of electricity on average.

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Now, the Scottish Government have really ambitious plans to

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have 2,000 megawatts from renewables.

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What percentage is this going to supply?

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Solar at the moment is a very low proportion.

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We've had a lot more wind development in Scotland,

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historically, hydro... So, at the moment, solar is about 1%.

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But we are expecting that to increase vastly over the next

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few years because solar is becoming the cheapest form

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of renewable electricity.

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What about conventional agriculture?

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Because this is prime farmland here in Perthshire.

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You're covering the whole field with these panels.

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Can traditional farming and this system coexist?

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I believe they can.

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We do a lot in Scotland on land that is currently not for

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food production. So you've got malt and barley for whiskey,

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why not put some land to renewables?

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Here you are effectively double-cropping,

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so you've got the solar panels and then you can bring

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the sheep into graze the grass underneath and between the panels.

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And the clover will just help keep the nitrogen levels up over

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the 20 years that the panels will be here.

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So this is going to be quite a sheltered field, then, for sheep.

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Yeah, very nice. They'll like it here.

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Everyone will have a view on how these panels will look

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in the Scottish countryside,

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as they do with wind turbines.

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But, unlike wind turbines, when these panels reach the end

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of their useful life in 25 years' time, there's no concrete involved.

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All that has to happen is you pick them up and take them away.

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So, when the panels have gone, the energy from that

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great ball of fire millions of kilometres away will once again

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go back into the land and support a more conventional form of farming.

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From the skies of Tayside to the hills and woods of Stirlingshire

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and the spiritual home of the hutting movement.

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These basic wooden dwellings have provided a rural escape

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from the city for Scotland's working classes for decades.

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And Sarah's been down to the woods of Carbeth to find out if hutting

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can still offer an attractive lifestyle in the 21st century.

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When you think of summer holidays, busy airports,

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overcrowded beaches and long journeys spring to mind

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but there are those who like to escape to Scotland's forests

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each year for the peace and quiet of hutting.

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And it's a movement they're trying to revive.

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With over 140 huts, Carbeth is Scotland's biggest hutting village.

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At one time, it was a bustling holiday destination

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on the outskirts of Glasgow.

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It all began after the First World War

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when local landowner Allan Barns-Graham

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granted returning soldiers permission to build huts.

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It grew in popularity

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and Carbeth soon became a haven for those wanting to escape city life.

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Carbeth culture peaked in the decades after

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the Second World War but has since gone into decline.

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Gerry? Good morning.

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Good morning, Sarah, how are you doing?

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Good. Sorry, wet hands.

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These days the land is owned by the Carbeth Hutters Community.

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Tenants rent a site but they own the hut built upon it.

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Gerry Loose is secretary of the Carbeth Community

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and wants to see hutting revitalised.

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Not just here at Carbeth but all over Scotland.

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Carbeth went into a bit of a decline and so did other huts

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because people discovered cheap flights to Spain or wherever.

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So for the price of a cheap flight to Spain,

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you could have a fortnight's sunshine and why would you

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want to put up with an outside toilet and a lot of rain

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for a fortnight if that's the only holiday from your work that you get?

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Times have changed and Carbeth has become the sort of zeitgeist.

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People want to be in a hut in woodland with a small

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footprint, you know, not consuming lots of stuff.

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All of that is happening now

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and has been happening for the last 10, 15, 20 years.

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It's a movement. Is it a movement that's growing?

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It's definitely a movement that's growing in popularity.

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People are realising what they have in their own country

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and the ideal for many, many people would be to have a little

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hut in some pocket of the country somewhere.

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In a community like Carbeth or singly, perhaps,

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to enjoy the fun

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and the privilege just of being able to walk about in your own country.

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There is a big push on now to try

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and attract people to the hutting movement. There is.

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Are you wanting the younger generation to be

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attracted to this style of holiday?

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They already are because,

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since Carbeth Hunters Community Company bought the land,

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we've attracted in a lot of young

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families and you'll see young children running around in gangs

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and building dens and little huts, in some instances,

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and climbing trees.

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Things that, you know, all that picture-book stuff that everybody

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looks back on, their idyllic childhood, it happens here.

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Hutting here isn't for everybody.

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There's no running water or electricity

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and don't expect any broadband.

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Tom, hi, how are you doing?

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Sarah, hello, how are you doing?

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'Tom McKendrick loves it, though.'

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One of the many.

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'His family have been coming to Carbeth for generations

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'and he's currently rebuilding one of the huts.'

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What is it about the place that brings you back, that attracts you?

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It's the magic of the place. It's just nature.

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It's life, it's trees, it's mud, it's rain. It's uncontrived.

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There is something very natural

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about belonging to a hutting community.

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A real feeling of being somewhere special when you're up here.

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And this new movement is trying to get more people into hutting,

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into the hutting lifestyle - do you think that will change things?

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I think it will. There is a kind of...

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I know there's a movement, it's a

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global movement for people that are into hutting, and it's this

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idea of getting out of the cities and touching nature again, touching

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the land, being part of something that you're not in total control of.

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You know, there are no roads here, there are no lampposts.

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Everything has either got to be solar panels or lamps or

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torches or something like that.

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Things that you take for natural,

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you've got to address in a slightly different way.

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Would you mind if Carbeth got busy?

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It's actually - very, very strangely - a very busy place

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because there's... You know, cyclists come up here, walkers come

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up here but they all seem to be attracted by the same thing.

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It's the peace, it's the nature, it's the wildlife.

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It's very real and you see that when children come up.

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They just disappear into the forest.

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You hear the screams and the shouts and the giggles of laughter.

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They come back with branches and twigs, you know?

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There's not an iPad or a piece of software seen anywhere

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and that makes it a happy place, even when it rains.

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Put me on a waiting list now.

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With Carbeth as an example, there seems to be a genuine

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momentum to promote hutting across Scotland, and Gerry Loose agrees.

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What you need in order to place a hut, to build a hut,

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is the land but it's getting that requisite planning permission

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to build huts which has proved a bit thorny in the past.

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The planning regulations which have just gone through

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the Scottish Parliament and been signed off now, for the very

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first time, have a paragraph relating

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to huts as a separate entity.

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They are not caravans, they're not bothies, they're huts.

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It's a huge step forward. It's a significant thing.

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Is there demand for huts here?

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We have a waiting list of 150 people who would like to have

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a hut at Carbeth.

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Imagine the demand for huts across Scotland.

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I hope Gerry is right and that the new planning regulations

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recognising huts make it easier to find sites and build on them,

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allowing new generations to experience the joys of hutting.

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As I travel thousands of miles crisscrossing

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Scotland for the series, I like to stop off now and again

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and share with you some of my favourite places.

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Now, it may be one of the most remote locations but, right here,

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this hot tub in Knoydart at The Gathering

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is one of my favourite. It's unbelievable.

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It may be freezing cold outside -

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and it is - but, in here, it's five-star luxury.

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Cheers.

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A decade on Landward and there's one sight I've never seen in person -

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the extraordinary courtship ritual that is the black grouse lek.

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HISSING

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But, deep in the heart of the Cairngorms, there is

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one woman who's keeping an eye on

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the battling males and admiring females.

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Shaila Rao is the ecologist at the Mar Lodge Estate and,

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by tagging along with her, we're hoping to get a ringside seat.

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This is us now arrived at the black grouse lek.

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I know this is the lek site here

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because I can tell from the vegetation.

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It's all been trampled down.

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There's been lots of birds walking around in this area and also,

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if I look at the ground, I can find here lots of really fresh

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black-grouse pellets

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and this is a sure indication that the birds have been here

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and I can also see, in places, feathers scattered around that

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have been dropped from birds when they've been fighting and suchlike.

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So we can film the grouse lekking here,

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Shaila is setting up a hide.

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It has to be in place for a couple of days,

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so the birds can get used to it.

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But the weather isn't helping.

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I'm just thinking it's just looking pretty ropey in the wind, isn't it?

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Look at it.

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If we leave this, we're going to come back to nothing.

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This is all in a day's work for Shaila.

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Her job is to monitor all of the wildlife on the estate,

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come wind or foul weather.

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42 hours later and Shaila is back at the hide.

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Any noise and the birds won't show up.

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HISSING

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But, at about half-past six, they start their display.

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The males raise their white tail feathers

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and face off against each other as they compete to

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show their strength and dominance to attract a female.

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I would say, on average, the sort of number of birds that we

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get at those leks is about...between 10 and 15.

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Although we do occasionally record very high numbers

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of birds at leks and, a few years ago,

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for example, we had 38 birds on one lek site.

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Shaila has captured her own footage of the amazing scenes

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at black grouse leks.

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The results have been used on the National Trust for Scotland's

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own nature channel.

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In the Deeside, as a whole,

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black grouse numbers had declined in the late '90s

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but, more recently, in the last three or four years,

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we've seen the numbers increase again and, on Mar Lodge Estate,

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we're now sitting at around about 120 lekking males.

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But it's not just the males Shaila has managed to spot.

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She has seen the lek reach its ultimate conclusion.

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If you're really lucky, you will see the hen wander

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through a male's little patch and she'll kind of crouch down,

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almost indicating her willingness to be mated.

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At that point in time, you might see the male mount the female

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and it literally is over in a flash, just a couple of seconds.

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They will mate and then the male will scuttle off

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and the female will wander away from that male as well.

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I could never tire of watching black grouse at the lek.

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They're absolutely stunning birds

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and display some really interesting behaviour.

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Quite comical at times as well.

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Comical it may be but there's no doubt that this is one of nature's

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greatest spectacles.

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And you can watch leks all year round

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but the peak time is from mid-March until the end of May.

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And, as Shaila makes her way home, we only have enough time left to

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tell you what's coming up on next week's Landward.

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We're back in Knoydart to discover how the residents manage life

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without mains electricity.

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I think sometimes we imagine that the Highlands

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and Islands in Scotland are kind of on the edges of Britain's

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energy revolution but here, in places like Knoydart, you can

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see that the kinds of experiments

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with new kinds of technical systems and infrastructures

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actually put people at the forefront or the cutting edge.

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And food banks - a modern-day reality in the Scottish countryside.

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It's absolutely desperate.

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You never expect when you have children

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that you're going to struggle to feed them.

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Not in this day and age, not living somewhere in a country like this.

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So join us at the same time next week, Friday night, 7:30

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on BBC One Scotland.

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In the meantime, from all the Landward team here on Knoydart,

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thanks for your company. Bye for now.

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