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When he was seven, Charlie was obsessed with kingfishers. | 0:00:09 | 0:00:13 | |
When he was 13, just looking at animals wasn't enough | 0:00:15 | 0:00:19 | |
and he was compelled to take pictures of them. | 0:00:19 | 0:00:22 | |
He got his first job as a wildlife cameraman when he was 16. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:31 | |
But now he's 40, Charlie's done something that sounds crazy. | 0:00:34 | 0:00:39 | |
He's bought a rainforest in Peru. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
I didn't want to sit around and spend my life being depressed about | 0:00:44 | 0:00:47 | |
the environment and not doing anything about it. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
So I thought, "Right, if I can do my bit, | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
"then at least I know in my life I've done my bit, | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
"however small that is." | 0:00:55 | 0:00:56 | |
Charlie wanted to understand the issues | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
and the people threatening the whole rainforest. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:06 | |
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But the more time he spends in the Amazon, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
the more he's convinced that saving the rainforest | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
is more important than the people cutting it down. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
I just found them in the act of illegally chopping a tree down | 0:01:24 | 0:01:29 | |
and the whole reason I bought the land was so that didn't happen. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:33 | |
There are those that say that it's already too late, | 0:01:35 | 0:01:39 | |
that human beings have poisoned the planet. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:42 | |
But if we're going down, Charlie's going down fighting. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:48 | |
RAIN POURS | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
THUNDER RUMBLES | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
It hasn't stopped raining now... | 0:02:07 | 0:02:09 | |
..two days? | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
And...I'm getting really, really bored of it | 0:02:13 | 0:02:18 | |
because when it rains here, you're stuck because... | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
..you can't get out, because all the rivers have swollen, | 0:02:23 | 0:02:25 | |
so I can't drive across them. | 0:02:25 | 0:02:27 | |
It's relentless. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
Charlie paid £6,000 for 100 acres of rainforest, | 0:02:35 | 0:02:39 | |
without seeing it first. | 0:02:39 | 0:02:41 | |
This is his second visit in the last four months | 0:02:43 | 0:02:47 | |
and, while he's here, he wants to photograph every single animal he can find. | 0:02:47 | 0:02:52 | |
He's so angry! I don't blame him. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:58 | |
But he also has a much grander ambition, | 0:03:06 | 0:03:09 | |
because his land is strategically placed at the end of | 0:03:09 | 0:03:13 | |
the only road for miles leading to Manu National Park. | 0:03:13 | 0:03:17 | |
I suppose the thing that excites me about it is that | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
of all the rainforests in the world, it is the best one | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
and it's the most biodiverse place on earth. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:27 | |
Charlie wanted to use his 100 acres as a barrier to stop people | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
smuggling trees from the world's most precious rainforest. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
But when he first arrived, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:50 | |
he discovered that his own piece of paradise | 0:03:50 | 0:03:52 | |
was little more than bamboo and coca fields. | 0:03:52 | 0:03:55 | |
And the few guards that patrol the area | 0:03:57 | 0:03:59 | |
found a message warning him not to interfere. | 0:03:59 | 0:04:03 | |
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What a massive cock-up. | 0:04:13 | 0:04:16 | |
But Charlie's biggest problem was that the son of the guy | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
he bought his forest from | 0:04:20 | 0:04:22 | |
was still using the land as a base | 0:04:22 | 0:04:24 | |
to illegally fell trees. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:26 | |
Elias, como estas? Hi. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
IN TRANSLATION: | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
I don't know what I say to that. | 0:04:44 | 0:04:45 | |
I'm not 100% sure I believe him. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:49 | |
Personally, I don't trust him. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:52 | |
If we were all too compassionate... | 0:04:54 | 0:04:57 | |
..then the doors and the floodgates would open on the Amazon | 0:04:58 | 0:05:02 | |
and the place would be destroyed. | 0:05:02 | 0:05:03 | |
It turns out that not only is Elias still using | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
the huts on Charlie's land, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:15 | |
he's also cleared some of the forest to grow crops. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
Is it the yucca that's your main income | 0:05:25 | 0:05:27 | |
or is that the illegal logging? | 0:05:27 | 0:05:29 | |
Charlie thought it would take less than a year | 0:05:52 | 0:05:55 | |
to protect this corner of the Amazon, | 0:05:55 | 0:05:57 | |
but, a third of the way through, and he's responsible | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
for a squatter who's accused of logging the park he came to defend. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:04 | |
It's probably not the best time for Charlie's wife Philippa | 0:06:10 | 0:06:13 | |
to come and see what they've spent their money on. | 0:06:13 | 0:06:16 | |
CHIRRING OF INSECTS | 0:06:16 | 0:06:18 | |
She's come to inspect my... my purchase, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:23 | |
see what I've bought. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:25 | |
Probably turn up...turn up and see what an idiot I've been. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:31 | |
-There you go. -Hello! -Hello, darling. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
But at least he had the good sense to book a hotel | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
30 minutes away from his 100 acres of disappointment. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
Oh, wow. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
Thank you. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:56 | |
Look at that! Doilies. | 0:06:57 | 0:06:59 | |
THEY CHUCKLE | 0:06:59 | 0:07:01 | |
-Is that a lizard? -Where? -There. Did it go in there? | 0:07:01 | 0:07:05 | |
It's a little tree frog. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
-Oh! -Where's he gone? -He's landed. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
-Look at him! -He's saying, "I don't want you to catch me!" | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
I've got a nice feeling of butterflies, | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
like when you're a child again and you're going to get a surprise. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
Do you get excited when you come here? | 0:07:32 | 0:07:33 | |
When I come here? | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
-Yeah, do you get excited? -No. -Not any more? -No. | 0:07:35 | 0:07:38 | |
I don't know, because I don't know what to do with it. | 0:07:38 | 0:07:41 | |
It's sort of like a big burden around my neck. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:45 | |
Ha! "Miski Paraiso"! | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
That means sweet paradise. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:49 | |
Look! Isn't it beautiful? | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
It's classic rainforest, isn't it? | 0:07:58 | 0:08:01 | |
Look. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:02 | |
Best water you'll ever drink, that is. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:09 | |
I knew it wouldn't be easy. | 0:08:16 | 0:08:17 | |
I knew conservation isn't just about putting a fence around something | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
and leaving it, and Charlie won't be told anything. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:26 | |
'He always feels that if you just leave the natural world alone, | 0:08:29 | 0:08:34 | |
'it will all be fine. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:36 | |
'But conservation doesn't happen in a bubble.' | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
Old chainsaw chains. | 0:08:42 | 0:08:44 | |
'Whatever the problem and wherever you are in the world, | 0:08:44 | 0:08:49 | |
'people are the solution. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
'You can't do it on your own. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:53 | |
'It doesn't work.' | 0:08:53 | 0:08:55 | |
This is all logging and cocaine-growing paraphernalia. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
That's what this land was for. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
We all sort of get very excited about all that stuff, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
it's just normal here. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:07 | |
It's no different to them from growing wheat really. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:11 | |
Elias owns his own patch of forest, | 0:09:18 | 0:09:21 | |
but the way out for any trees he cuts down | 0:09:21 | 0:09:23 | |
is through Charlie's land. | 0:09:23 | 0:09:25 | |
If Charlie boots him out, he'll have no income from his trees | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
or his crops. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:32 | |
Elias! | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
And if that happens, he's afraid that Elias | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
will have no choice | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
but to start logging in the National Park. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:41 | |
-And this is, um, this is their land... -Mm-hm. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
..but they don't have... | 0:09:48 | 0:09:49 | |
But it's still illegal in terms of... | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
They haven't got a logging concession. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:55 | |
-..they haven't got a licence. -No, so they're not allowed. | 0:09:55 | 0:09:57 | |
-Doesn't seem to be stopping them though, does it? -No. | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
But surely if you were offered a better option, you'd take it. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:04 | |
-Well, I'd have thought so. -He's not doing this because it's easy, | 0:10:07 | 0:10:10 | |
he's not doing it because he's a bad person. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
I think he's just always done it. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:18 | |
I just wish he'd do it a bit louder now so we can work out where he is. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:26 | |
The thing is, he could be anywhere. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
-Right, I suggest we go up this path and carry on. -Up. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
Well, he's got to be somewhere! | 0:10:38 | 0:10:39 | |
What are we actually saying to him when we find him? | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
-Uh? -What are we saying to him when we find him? | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
-Hello, Elias, this is my wife. -Would you like to meet my wife? | 0:10:44 | 0:10:48 | |
CHAINSAW BUZZING Elias! | 0:10:51 | 0:10:54 | |
Elias! | 0:11:02 | 0:11:03 | |
Elias, how are you? | 0:11:06 | 0:11:08 | |
Hola. Como estas? | 0:11:08 | 0:11:11 | |
Buenos dias. | 0:11:14 | 0:11:16 | |
So, there's the National Park. See? | 0:11:21 | 0:11:23 | |
That's my land, not your dad's. | 0:11:27 | 0:11:28 | |
HE CHUCKLES Love it. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
"That's my dad's land". No, it's not! | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
So, the yucca that's there now, | 0:11:46 | 0:11:48 | |
how much is that worth to you, if it's a good crop? | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
So, if you're pulling out 10,000 soles' worth, | 0:11:56 | 0:11:59 | |
I need to know what YOU make from that. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:02 | |
You must make some profit, Elias, otherwise you wouldn't do it! | 0:12:09 | 0:12:12 | |
Si. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:14 | |
CHARLIE LAUGHS | 0:12:14 | 0:12:16 | |
When you fumigate it, how much does it cost every time? | 0:12:16 | 0:12:19 | |
I do feel sorry for him | 0:12:33 | 0:12:35 | |
and that's why I'm thinking, is there anything I can do to help? | 0:12:35 | 0:12:38 | |
I don't want to throw people off land, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:40 | |
I don't want to cut off their income. What can I do? | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
Is there anything I can do to try and find some middle ground? | 0:12:43 | 0:12:47 | |
At the moment, I don't know what that is. There might be something. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:50 | |
Maybe I can buy his yucca crop off him as a sort of parting gesture. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:55 | |
But I don't like the fact that I am now responsible for... | 0:12:55 | 0:12:59 | |
..playing an important part in these people's lives. | 0:13:00 | 0:13:03 | |
That's not why I did any of this. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:05 | |
I didn't... | 0:13:05 | 0:13:06 | |
It wasn't part of the bargain as far as I was concerned when I bought it. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:09 | |
He knew he might have to fight to keep people out of Manu, | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
but Charlie never imagined his land would still be in use | 0:13:23 | 0:13:27 | |
or that his decisions could change the life | 0:13:27 | 0:13:30 | |
of a family living in poverty. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:31 | |
'I think he finds people difficult sometimes and complicated. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:39 | |
'It's much easier if you can go off with your camera, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:43 | |
'put a lens between you and people | 0:13:43 | 0:13:45 | |
'and then you can be in your own safe little world. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
'It's always been his escape. | 0:13:51 | 0:13:52 | |
'It's always been his escape. Relationships are complicated, | 0:13:52 | 0:13:56 | |
'people are complicated.' | 0:13:56 | 0:13:58 | |
Charlie fell in love with the rainforest | 0:14:01 | 0:14:03 | |
because he spent years here photographing animals. | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
And before Philippa goes home, he wants to show her | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
how extraordinary the Amazon is if you remove the human beings. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
I'm taking Philippa up to one of my favourite places | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
in the world, which is an oxbow lake called Cocha Salvador. | 0:14:20 | 0:14:24 | |
I know the family there very well, | 0:14:24 | 0:14:26 | |
so it's kind of like I'm going to see some old friends | 0:14:26 | 0:14:29 | |
and take Philippa along. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:30 | |
They just happen to be otters rather than people. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:33 | |
PIPING SQUEAK OF OTTERS | 0:14:35 | 0:14:38 | |
SQUEAKING OTTER CALL | 0:14:40 | 0:14:41 | |
I got some otters. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:45 | |
Yeah, I've got them. Oh, my God! | 0:14:45 | 0:14:49 | |
HE CHUCKLES | 0:14:49 | 0:14:50 | |
OTTERS SQUEAK | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
The giant river otter can grow to six feet. | 0:14:56 | 0:14:59 | |
It is one of the most endangered mammals in the Amazon... | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
..and there are perhaps as few as 1,000 left in the wild. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
I just have this weird total obsession with them. | 0:15:12 | 0:15:16 | |
I could just gaze at them for hours. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:18 | |
These guys just love each other. | 0:15:21 | 0:15:23 | |
They never stop looking after each other and grooming each other | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
and playing with each other. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:29 | |
A perfect little family. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:31 | |
And they'll die for each other. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
Charlie's obsession with animals began when he was seven, | 0:15:48 | 0:15:52 | |
not long after his father died. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
'When his dad died... | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
'..it made him mistrust human relationships slightly in the sense | 0:16:03 | 0:16:09 | |
'that for any child, losing a parent is so mind-blowing, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:14 | |
'is so massive. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
'And when you're a child, it changes your whole view of reality. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:20 | |
'But, yeah, his escape route' | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
and ultimately, controlled environment, | 0:16:26 | 0:16:28 | |
is in a hide with a camera. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:30 | |
Though Charlie has spent his life in the most remote corners | 0:16:34 | 0:16:37 | |
of the planet, he's never had to deal with local people. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:41 | |
But if he's going to work out what to do with Elias, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:46 | |
he can't just sit in a tent and hope he'll go away. | 0:16:46 | 0:16:49 | |
So after Philippa has gone back to England, Charlie decides | 0:16:52 | 0:16:56 | |
that he needs to understand the issues threatening the Amazon | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
from the point of view of the people cutting it down. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:03 | |
Though he sees illegal loggers as dangerous criminals, | 0:17:09 | 0:17:12 | |
it's almost impossible to police the whole forest, | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
and the Peruvian Government hardly even try. | 0:17:15 | 0:17:19 | |
Mm. OK. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:35 | |
Yeah. OK, horrifically painful. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:38 | |
Up to 80% of the timber exported from Peru | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
has been cut down illegally. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
And like many loggers, Beto owns his own land | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
but he doesn't have a permit to remove the trees. | 0:17:52 | 0:17:55 | |
Very nice. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:09 | |
Si! | 0:18:10 | 0:18:11 | |
It sure is. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:14 | |
SONG IN TRANSLATION: | 0:18:14 | 0:18:17 | |
Beto has already felled a number of trees | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
but he needs help to take the timber into town | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
and has hired his friend Modesto and his trusty vintage truck, Rambo. | 0:18:54 | 0:19:00 | |
-Como estas? -Hola. Como estas, Charlie? -Hola. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:03 | |
Si. | 0:19:12 | 0:19:13 | |
I'm looking forward to it. | 0:19:14 | 0:19:16 | |
THEY CHUCKLE | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
Salud. Gracias. | 0:19:43 | 0:19:44 | |
CHAINSAW BUZZES | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
Although it's against the law for Beto to take wood from his land, | 0:20:28 | 0:20:32 | |
when you're working with chainsaws in the middle of nowhere, | 0:20:32 | 0:20:36 | |
getting caught by the authorities isn't your biggest worry. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
I'm not naturally someone who wants to go and immerse my life | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
into the lives of strangers. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
However what I do is I think of images | 0:21:12 | 0:21:14 | |
and that actually gets me excited and gets me in. | 0:21:14 | 0:21:17 | |
Jesus Christ! | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
MEN CHATTER | 0:21:27 | 0:21:29 | |
Mm-hm. OK, I'll try. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
Oh, OK, like that. | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
Oh! | 0:21:44 | 0:21:45 | |
Oh, Jesus Christ! | 0:21:50 | 0:21:52 | |
CHARLIE GROANS | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
I'm too tall. Can't get the balance. | 0:21:58 | 0:22:01 | |
I can feel my back going. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
OK. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
Agh! Me no fuerte. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:21 | |
MEN LAUGH | 0:22:21 | 0:22:23 | |
Ever since I was a kid, I was a wildlife photographer - | 0:22:36 | 0:22:38 | |
it's what I did - | 0:22:38 | 0:22:40 | |
and I'd never really bothered to move outside of that. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:44 | |
But I'm suddenly more interested in them. | 0:22:48 | 0:22:51 | |
I don't know why I'm suddenly more interested in them, | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
I suppose I've been learning more about them. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
I say "them", I mean people! | 0:22:57 | 0:22:59 | |
Over 50% of Peru is covered with Amazon rainforest, | 0:23:07 | 0:23:12 | |
and life is so densely packed here that every couple of kilometres | 0:23:12 | 0:23:17 | |
has more species of tree than most of Europe. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
And each tree supports | 0:23:22 | 0:23:24 | |
thousands of other plants, animals and insects. | 0:23:24 | 0:23:29 | |
MEN CHATTER | 0:23:33 | 0:23:35 | |
Mm. | 0:23:53 | 0:23:54 | |
Do your kids ever come out and help you here? | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
It must be tough for you, Beto, | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
without your wife and kids being here. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
Because they fetch the highest price, | 0:24:58 | 0:25:00 | |
large hardwoods are increasingly rare in Peru, | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
and Beto's been saving one to help pay for his children's education. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:09 | |
HE KNOCKS Sounds dead to me. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
This thing to me is so precious and beautiful but... | 0:25:32 | 0:25:34 | |
..when you ask me what I think of the tree, | 0:25:36 | 0:25:38 | |
that's what I think of the tree. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:39 | |
Does it not bother you that this is illegal? | 0:25:39 | 0:25:42 | |
Because I know it's your land, isn't it? | 0:25:42 | 0:25:44 | |
But you're not allowed to cut the trees down on it. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:47 | |
No? | 0:26:23 | 0:26:24 | |
BETO CHUCKLES | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
I wish I was rich enough to pay you not to. | 0:26:30 | 0:26:32 | |
But if I paid you not to cut this tree down, | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
paid the next guy not to cut the next tree down... | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
If I was rich enough, we could not cut any of them down. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:42 | |
THEY CHUCKLE | 0:26:42 | 0:26:44 | |
Hmm... | 0:26:47 | 0:26:48 | |
BIRDSONG | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
Muy bonita. | 0:27:01 | 0:27:03 | |
That's gorgeous. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
Si. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:21 | |
Gracias. | 0:27:21 | 0:27:22 | |
Beto's obviously spent his life in the forest | 0:28:37 | 0:28:40 | |
and has a real understanding of it | 0:28:40 | 0:28:42 | |
but I don't believe in God, | 0:28:42 | 0:28:43 | |
I don't see the forest in the same way as he does. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
But I don't think either is right or wrong. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:48 | |
It's kind of nice to just hang out with him | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
and hear what he's got to say about it... | 0:28:51 | 0:28:53 | |
..because it's... You know, he has a love and respect for the place | 0:28:56 | 0:28:59 | |
and I think he finds it compromising that... | 0:28:59 | 0:29:02 | |
..that he has to cut trees down. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:05 | |
But equally, I think that's just what he has to do. | 0:29:05 | 0:29:09 | |
You know, these guys do care about the forest, | 0:29:12 | 0:29:16 | |
and I completely admit I'm wrong about the situation. | 0:29:16 | 0:29:19 | |
It's horrifically dangerous, what they're about to do. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
And you know, if this thing falls on you, you're dead, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:44 | |
there's no two ways about it. | 0:29:44 | 0:29:46 | |
I'm amazed. They're all standing around it. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:05 | |
They're saying to me, "Keep back," | 0:30:05 | 0:30:07 | |
and they're all sort of standing in a ring around it. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
Don't know where it's going to fall, though. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:17 | |
RUMBLING AND CRACKING | 0:30:20 | 0:30:23 | |
MEN SHOUT | 0:30:25 | 0:30:28 | |
There we go, there we go. | 0:30:28 | 0:30:29 | |
CRACKING | 0:30:29 | 0:30:31 | |
MEN CHATTER | 0:30:37 | 0:30:39 | |
The thump! | 0:30:39 | 0:30:40 | |
And then there's a silence. Complete silence. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:54 | |
And then you get all these guys, you get their excitement, | 0:30:59 | 0:31:02 | |
because they've just felled a tree, so they're all excited now. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:07 | |
When we finally cut that tree down, there was this moment of sadness, | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
as they realised that it was dead all the way through. | 0:32:00 | 0:32:04 | |
And, I think, particularly for Beto, who'd had it earmarked, because it | 0:32:07 | 0:32:10 | |
was going to make him a fair whack of money for his kids' education. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
The weird thing was, I was very sad that the tree had come down, | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
but I was also very sad for Beto, as well, | 0:32:22 | 0:32:25 | |
that it was completely worthless. | 0:32:25 | 0:32:26 | |
SONG IN TRANSLATION | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:33:13 | 0:33:15 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:33:16 | 0:33:19 | |
LAUGHTER AND APPLAUSE | 0:33:24 | 0:33:26 | |
'What am I going to do with my land? If I fight' | 0:33:29 | 0:33:33 | |
to protect the forest, | 0:33:33 | 0:33:34 | |
it's going to have an impact on these people's lives. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
'I'm still resolute about that, | 0:33:37 | 0:33:39 | |
'but it's made me, I suppose, slightly more conscious | 0:33:39 | 0:33:42 | |
'that, if you stop people illegal logging, | 0:33:42 | 0:33:45 | |
'firstly, they're going to have to go somewhere else and,' | 0:33:45 | 0:33:48 | |
secondly, you're cutting off what's important to them as people | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
and, you know, I suppose it's not without its cost. | 0:33:51 | 0:33:56 | |
Just like Beto or Elias, Charlie makes a living exploiting | 0:34:02 | 0:34:06 | |
the natural world. He supports his family with a camera, | 0:34:06 | 0:34:11 | |
rather than a chainsaw, but in their own way, | 0:34:11 | 0:34:14 | |
his images damage the environment. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
Charlie's pictures show us a world that doesn't exist any more. | 0:34:20 | 0:34:24 | |
It's a fantasy that we all want to believe... | 0:34:26 | 0:34:29 | |
..because these pictures tell us all is well with planet earth. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:35 | |
To purely photograph wildlife | 0:34:38 | 0:34:40 | |
presents the world almost in a bubble, | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
and in a slightly optimistic bubble - | 0:34:43 | 0:34:46 | |
a world that's better than it actually is. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:49 | |
'I mean, the only way I can ever really communicate | 0:34:51 | 0:34:55 | |
'my understanding of this place is to just be honest about it | 0:34:55 | 0:34:59 | |
'and look at the reality | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
'of how everything is - good and bad - and look for the truth. | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
'Because I've seen it first-hand and, as a result, you'd be a fool | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
'not to try and do something. You'd be wrong if you didn't. | 0:35:13 | 0:35:15 | |
'That's why I'm here.' | 0:35:15 | 0:35:17 | |
In the last 20 years, over five and a half million acres of rainforest | 0:35:21 | 0:35:26 | |
have been destroyed in Peru. | 0:35:26 | 0:35:29 | |
That's nearly 700 acres a day... | 0:35:29 | 0:35:32 | |
..cut down for crops... | 0:35:33 | 0:35:35 | |
cattle... | 0:35:35 | 0:35:36 | |
timber... | 0:35:36 | 0:35:37 | |
and gold. | 0:35:37 | 0:35:39 | |
So, how low profile do we go with this camera? | 0:35:40 | 0:35:42 | |
-DIRECTOR: -Why? | 0:35:43 | 0:35:44 | |
Why? It's a world full of illegal activity | 0:35:44 | 0:35:49 | |
and a lot of people here won't want to be filmed. | 0:35:49 | 0:35:51 | |
-DIRECTOR: -Oh, it'll be all right. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:54 | |
I'm not sure it will. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:57 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:35:57 | 0:36:00 | |
50 miles from Charlie's land | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
is one of the many towns built in pursuit of gold. | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
It has a reputation for booze, prostitution and violence. | 0:36:11 | 0:36:16 | |
But if you strike it lucky, | 0:36:18 | 0:36:20 | |
gold can bring you in one day what many Peruvians earn in a year. | 0:36:20 | 0:36:25 | |
Charlie's here to spend two weeks living life as a gold miner, | 0:36:30 | 0:36:35 | |
with Erasmus. | 0:36:35 | 0:36:36 | |
Wow! | 0:37:21 | 0:37:23 | |
Ooh... | 0:37:23 | 0:37:24 | |
Wow! | 0:37:33 | 0:37:34 | |
There are over 40,000 gold miners in Peru | 0:37:39 | 0:37:43 | |
and, though Erasmus is legitimate and has all the correct paperwork, | 0:37:43 | 0:37:48 | |
98% of mines operate illegally. | 0:37:48 | 0:37:51 | |
Si! There it is. | 0:38:24 | 0:38:26 | |
It's so small, it's almost imperceptible. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:31 | |
Wow! It's so tiny. | 0:38:36 | 0:38:37 | |
My God, these are heavy. | 0:38:41 | 0:38:43 | |
Every 16 hours, the mats are rinsed and shaken out... | 0:38:48 | 0:38:53 | |
..before the gold-bearing sludge is scraped into a barrel. | 0:38:55 | 0:39:00 | |
So, he's mixing the mercury with the sludge? | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
-Una hora? -Si. -Si?! -Una hora, si. | 0:39:51 | 0:39:54 | |
Mercury poisoning can result in brain damage, kidney damage, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:27 | |
lung failure and, possibly, miscarriage. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
Illegal miners dump nearly 30 tonnes of this heavy metal | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
into Peruvian rivers every year. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:37 | |
And a recent study found that many people in local communities | 0:40:39 | 0:40:43 | |
had mercury levels in their bodies five times the safe limit. | 0:40:43 | 0:40:47 | |
Somewhere in there... is a whole lot of gold. | 0:40:49 | 0:40:54 | |
I can't see any. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:56 | |
OK. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:45 | |
I'm not sure which way the wind's going. I'm trying to work it out. | 0:41:52 | 0:41:56 | |
I think it's going that way. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
Because mercury's one thing, but mercury vapour | 0:41:58 | 0:42:01 | |
is a much more dangerous proposition. | 0:42:01 | 0:42:03 | |
It's gold. | 0:42:22 | 0:42:23 | |
That's 650 soles - about £175 - | 0:42:39 | 0:42:43 | |
which isn't much, really, for 24 hours' work - | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
staff, camp, fuel...everything else. | 0:42:47 | 0:42:54 | |
It's very beautiful. | 0:43:02 | 0:43:04 | |
The Peruvian Government has recently cracked down on illegal mining, | 0:43:23 | 0:43:28 | |
and some predict it will reduce gold exports by up to 25%. | 0:43:28 | 0:43:33 | |
But the threat of 12 years in jail | 0:43:34 | 0:43:36 | |
seems unlikely to stop people willing to risk their lives | 0:43:36 | 0:43:40 | |
working in these poisonous pits. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:42 | |
Besides, the quota system has done little to stop illegal logging. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:50 | |
With the mine not delivering, Erasmus has decided to change | 0:43:58 | 0:44:02 | |
the suction pump and stem the leaks in the soft piping. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:06 | |
I'm working as hard as I can. | 0:44:17 | 0:44:18 | |
Come on! There we go! | 0:44:37 | 0:44:40 | |
Woo-hoo! | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
We're going to get some gold! HE LAUGHS | 0:44:44 | 0:44:47 | |
You know what's weird is? I've got all excited about finding gold - | 0:44:47 | 0:44:52 | |
well, them finding gold, not me, I don't need any gold. | 0:44:52 | 0:44:56 | |
You forget all the problems, all the environmental stuff | 0:44:56 | 0:44:59 | |
that I'm banging on about and worrying about | 0:44:59 | 0:45:01 | |
and you just get fixed | 0:45:01 | 0:45:03 | |
on sorting this stuff out and getting some gold out of it. | 0:45:03 | 0:45:07 | |
But you become a bit obsessed. | 0:45:07 | 0:45:09 | |
The gold needed to make a single wedding ring | 0:45:25 | 0:45:28 | |
produces over 20 tonnes of toxic waste. | 0:45:28 | 0:45:32 | |
But, of course, most gold doesn't end up as jewellery. | 0:45:34 | 0:45:38 | |
Most of it is buried in bank vaults, | 0:45:40 | 0:45:43 | |
because we can't think of a better way to prop up our economy. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:47 | |
The Bank of England alone has 4,500 tonnes of the stuff. | 0:45:48 | 0:45:52 | |
But even in this desert of mud and mercury, | 0:45:55 | 0:45:58 | |
there is some life that is returning. | 0:45:58 | 0:46:01 | |
Argh! | 0:46:15 | 0:46:16 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:46:16 | 0:46:18 | |
Something's bit me! | 0:46:20 | 0:46:22 | |
The old mining pits are not only used for bathing, | 0:46:24 | 0:46:27 | |
they also provide a handy supply of fish. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:31 | |
You got one! | 0:46:31 | 0:46:32 | |
-Piranha? -Si. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:34 | |
CHARLIE LAUGHS | 0:46:34 | 0:46:36 | |
Yeah? It's good with chips? | 0:46:39 | 0:46:40 | |
Just going to take the hook out. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:42 | |
Look at those teeth! | 0:46:44 | 0:46:45 | |
Ooh, you so wouldn't want to get your fingers stuck in that. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:50 | |
These must be what bite me when I go for a swim. | 0:46:53 | 0:46:55 | |
It makes you realise just how many piranhas there are in this lake. | 0:46:55 | 0:47:00 | |
Argh! | 0:47:00 | 0:47:01 | |
CHARLIE LAUGHS | 0:47:01 | 0:47:03 | |
Yes! | 0:47:04 | 0:47:05 | |
Gotcha! | 0:47:05 | 0:47:06 | |
Look at that. I think that's the biggest one of the day. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
CHARLIE CHUCKLES | 0:47:10 | 0:47:12 | |
This piranha will have mercury in it. | 0:47:14 | 0:47:17 | |
It will get eaten by something else. | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
I don't know the cumulative effect of all these ponds | 0:47:19 | 0:47:22 | |
in the forest full of mercury. | 0:47:22 | 0:47:24 | |
I can't imagine it's actually very good. | 0:47:24 | 0:47:27 | |
As well as us, cos we're drinking out of it | 0:47:27 | 0:47:30 | |
and washing in it and washing our clothes in it. | 0:47:30 | 0:47:33 | |
Most of them are desperate people and decent people. | 0:47:46 | 0:47:50 | |
You know, I look at Erasmus and I can see he's got his failings. | 0:47:50 | 0:47:54 | |
He's money-grabbing | 0:47:54 | 0:47:56 | |
and he's probably not the best person in the world | 0:47:56 | 0:47:58 | |
to his staff, but, equally, he's 55, | 0:47:58 | 0:48:02 | |
he's got no pension, he's got no healthcare. He's got nothing. | 0:48:02 | 0:48:05 | |
So, it's, sort of, make or break now for him over the next ten years. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:10 | |
While he's got the physical strength to keep going, | 0:48:10 | 0:48:14 | |
he's got to make enough money to sustain him until the end. | 0:48:14 | 0:48:19 | |
And you can see it in his eyes that that ain't working at the moment. | 0:48:19 | 0:48:24 | |
Miners usually get up to 25% of the gold they find, | 0:48:25 | 0:48:31 | |
but with so little being produced, | 0:48:31 | 0:48:33 | |
no-one's getting paid. | 0:48:33 | 0:48:35 | |
Did we have success? We did a lot of work. | 0:49:47 | 0:49:50 | |
Si. | 0:49:58 | 0:49:59 | |
It's tiny. | 0:50:03 | 0:50:05 | |
GENERATOR RUMBLES | 0:50:15 | 0:50:18 | |
CHAINSAW BUZZES | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
The rainforest to the gold miners is just a resource. | 0:50:42 | 0:50:45 | |
It's just a place that you can find gold | 0:50:45 | 0:50:48 | |
and there happen to be a load of trees here. | 0:50:48 | 0:50:50 | |
I think some things are just very wrong. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:14 | |
I think this is one of them. | 0:51:16 | 0:51:18 | |
I've been bumbling along... | 0:51:20 | 0:51:23 | |
..getting to know people, getting to know their side of the story. | 0:51:26 | 0:51:29 | |
And, er... | 0:51:34 | 0:51:35 | |
..I don't know. | 0:51:39 | 0:51:40 | |
I just don't... I don't really care about people sometimes. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
Now I just feel...complicit in it. | 0:51:57 | 0:52:00 | |
And I haven't come here to chop trees down. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:07 | |
I don't know. | 0:52:11 | 0:52:12 | |
It's one thing watching other people do it, | 0:52:15 | 0:52:17 | |
it's another thing doing it yourself. | 0:52:17 | 0:52:20 | |
I mean, let's be honest, what am I going to really find out... | 0:52:20 | 0:52:23 | |
..by doing it myself? | 0:52:26 | 0:52:28 | |
All I'm going to do is become complicit in something | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
that I fundamentally disagree with. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:38 | |
Regardless of the social issues, | 0:52:38 | 0:52:40 | |
regardless of however nice people are, regardless of the fact | 0:52:40 | 0:52:43 | |
that people have to live... | 0:52:43 | 0:52:45 | |
..I still don't agree with it. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:49 | |
And if that's called judging, then, well, so be it, | 0:52:49 | 0:52:51 | |
then I'm judging, but... | 0:52:51 | 0:52:52 | |
In 2008, the financial crisis sent gold prices through the roof | 0:53:01 | 0:53:08 | |
and the number of trees cut down | 0:53:08 | 0:53:09 | |
to find a shiny yellow metal tripled. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:12 | |
Since then, 90,000 acres of rainforest have been scratched away, | 0:53:14 | 0:53:20 | |
and 180 tonnes of mercury has bled into the rivers. | 0:53:20 | 0:53:25 | |
Not even Erasmus is immune to this hell. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:29 | |
It doesn't matter who's to blame... | 0:54:37 | 0:54:40 | |
..and it doesn't matter that it's complicated. | 0:54:41 | 0:54:45 | |
Time is running out... | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
..and tough decisions have to be made. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:53 | |
Charlie can't protect his corner of the Amazon | 0:54:55 | 0:54:58 | |
and at the same time allow an illegal logger to use his land. | 0:54:58 | 0:55:03 | |
When he gets back to Manu, he heads to Elias's house | 0:55:08 | 0:55:12 | |
to tell him it's time to leave the land. | 0:55:12 | 0:55:16 | |
Hola? | 0:55:22 | 0:55:23 | |
Hey. Como estas? | 0:55:24 | 0:55:27 | |
Hola! Como estas? | 0:55:30 | 0:55:33 | |
GIRL CHATTERS Yeah. | 0:55:33 | 0:55:35 | |
Hello! | 0:55:37 | 0:55:38 | |
Como estas? | 0:55:38 | 0:55:40 | |
I just thought I'd come and say hi, | 0:55:48 | 0:55:51 | |
meet your family. GIRL CHUCKLES | 0:55:51 | 0:55:54 | |
-DIRECTOR: -Charlie? Still want to kick them off the land? | 0:57:13 | 0:57:16 | |
Nope. | 0:57:16 | 0:57:18 | |
No, this has just made my decision... | 0:57:19 | 0:57:23 | |
..infinitely more complicated. | 0:57:25 | 0:57:27 | |
'I was all agreed, in my own mind, that I was going to chuck Elias | 0:57:31 | 0:57:34 | |
'off the land, until I went round to his house.' | 0:57:34 | 0:57:37 | |
-You know, what sort of -BLEEP -would I be if I did? There's no way. | 0:57:39 | 0:57:43 | |
Behind every horrific story lie a bunch of perfectly decent people | 0:57:48 | 0:57:55 | |
just trying to survive. | 0:57:55 | 0:57:57 | |
Next time... | 0:58:01 | 0:58:03 | |
The park guards put pressure on Charlie... | 0:58:03 | 0:58:05 | |
..and there's hope | 0:58:11 | 0:58:13 | |
in the last place on earth he expected to find it. | 0:58:13 | 0:58:16 | |
Go on an interactive journey with the Open University, | 0:58:24 | 0:58:27 | |
to explore the challenges | 0:58:27 | 0:58:29 | |
facing the rainforest. | 0:58:29 | 0:58:30 | |
Go to... | 0:58:30 | 0:58:32 | |
..and follow the links to the Open University. | 0:58:36 | 0:58:39 |