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Oh, I read the first couple of pages and just glanced through the rest. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:47 | |
Oi! | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
I can't help it if you're a swot who's too scared not to do her homework. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:54 | |
What, you got into medical school by smoking behind the bikesheds? | 0:00:54 | 0:00:58 | |
Do you know what, this is a course - it's not work. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:00 | |
It's part of patient care. | 0:01:00 | 0:01:02 | |
And another thing is I am a 21st century, metrosexual kind of guy, | 0:01:02 | 0:01:07 | |
across gender, equality and diversity issues | 0:01:07 | 0:01:10 | |
since Bruce Forsyth was a nipper. And we're not doing too badly. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:13 | |
We've got plenty of female staff, and gender has never been a barrier | 0:01:13 | 0:01:16 | |
from anyone becoming partner, has it? | 0:01:16 | 0:01:19 | |
OK, save the speech for the workshop. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:21 | |
They might not notice that you haven't prepared. | 0:01:21 | 0:01:24 | |
Wow! You know what - you are more judgmental and less empathetic | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
than me. So, maybe you're right. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:29 | |
Maybe you do need to read the briefing notes. | 0:01:29 | 0:01:32 | |
Why don't we just give you an A star, right now? | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
I'm not sure they're grading us, sweetheart. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
Or a medal, or the Nobel prize! Why think small? | 0:01:37 | 0:01:39 | |
That's excessive. | 0:01:39 | 0:01:41 | |
Creating a better world for you and my daughter is reward enough. | 0:01:41 | 0:01:44 | |
We are so blessed. | 0:01:44 | 0:01:45 | |
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail and all that. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
It's going to be a doddle. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:51 | |
There's going to be Powerpoint, statistics, chitchat, | 0:01:51 | 0:01:54 | |
more coffee than we should drink, | 0:01:54 | 0:01:56 | |
and then we're going to have to excuse ourselves from going to the bar with them at 4pm. | 0:01:56 | 0:02:00 | |
You should keep an open mind. | 0:02:00 | 0:02:01 | |
You've got more to learn than you think. | 0:02:01 | 0:02:03 | |
What, you calling me sexist? | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
I'm just saying that you're not the new man you think you are. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:08 | |
The new man was invented 25 years ago to make old men buy hatchbacks. | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
I'm more modern than that. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
You're more sexist than you think you are. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:15 | |
Don't worry, that's nearly every man I've ever met. | 0:02:15 | 0:02:18 | |
Let's make this interesting. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
The course is bound to be mostly women. | 0:02:20 | 0:02:22 | |
You're not going to be able to not revert to typical gender roles, | 0:02:22 | 0:02:26 | |
and if you're still like that at the end, | 0:02:26 | 0:02:28 | |
you're buying me dinner at the weekend | 0:02:28 | 0:02:30 | |
at a restaurant of my choice. | 0:02:30 | 0:02:31 | |
And if I'm not being sexist? | 0:02:31 | 0:02:33 | |
I'm buying dinner. At a restaurant of my choice. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
You're going to provoke my fragile male ego, aren't you? | 0:02:37 | 0:02:42 | |
Chicken noises and things? | 0:02:42 | 0:02:43 | |
No chicken noises. | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
I'm much more a white feather through the post kind of a girl. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:48 | |
Packs a punch. | 0:02:48 | 0:02:50 | |
Deal. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:51 | |
It's candy from a baby. | 0:02:51 | 0:02:53 | |
And that is not me calling you baby... | 0:02:53 | 0:02:55 | |
baby. | 0:02:55 | 0:02:56 | |
What are you looking so happy about? | 0:03:10 | 0:03:12 | |
Am I? | 0:03:12 | 0:03:14 | |
The only man? Looks like it, yes. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:17 | |
Really looking forward to today. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:20 | |
What, you and a roomful of forceful strong women, discussing sexism? | 0:03:20 | 0:03:24 | |
It's not a problem. Why would it be? | 0:03:24 | 0:03:26 | |
You don't have to impress me, Daniel. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:28 | |
Oh, come on. Down, boy! | 0:03:34 | 0:03:37 | |
Are you just going to concede that you've lost the bet, right now? | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
You don't have to feel threatened, OK? | 0:03:40 | 0:03:42 | |
Welcome, everyone, to the workshop on gender, equality and diversity. | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
I'm Maria Perez, the course tutor. | 0:03:49 | 0:03:52 | |
Normally, this course is just for academics, | 0:03:52 | 0:03:54 | |
but this time we have university doctors Zara Carmichael | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
and Daniel Granger, from the campus surgery. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
And, of course, as well as bringing the doctor's perspective, | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
Daniel brings the male perspective, too. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
It's always good to have a man along for the ride. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:10 | |
With his better half! | 0:04:10 | 0:04:11 | |
A couple! Even better. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
That dynamic'll make some of the role plays and break out groups | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
more interesting and fun. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
Anyway, the object of today is to look at everyday sexism | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
in all its forms - it ain't gone away, folks. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:26 | |
I want to look at the spectrum of behaviour from holding a door open | 0:04:26 | 0:04:31 | |
for a woman to sexual harassment, homophobia, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
transphobia, sexual violence. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:37 | |
Just to be clear, | 0:04:37 | 0:04:38 | |
do we have a working definition of sexual harassment? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
The law is clear. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:43 | |
Unwanted conduct that violates a person's dignity | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
or creates an intimidating, hostile, degrading, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:49 | |
humiliating or offensive environment. | 0:04:49 | 0:04:52 | |
Does that cover a man undressing a woman with his eyes? | 0:04:52 | 0:04:55 | |
Depends on the context and, which we will get to later, | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
the C word - consent. | 0:05:01 | 0:05:03 | |
There's a time and a place for everything. | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
At work? | 0:05:05 | 0:05:06 | |
Well, the law's there to prevent the most extreme transgressions. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:09 | |
A man mentally undressing another woman when he's sitting right next to his partner? | 0:05:09 | 0:05:14 | |
Have my seat. | 0:05:43 | 0:05:44 | |
It's my own fault. I always like to be early for appointments. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:53 | |
It really messes with their system when people are tardy. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:57 | |
Obviously, sexism on campus is a real, major issue, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
but sometimes what we see as sexism | 0:06:06 | 0:06:09 | |
can be the result of a misunderstanding or even something medical. | 0:06:09 | 0:06:13 | |
Like? | 0:06:13 | 0:06:14 | |
I had a young, male patient | 0:06:14 | 0:06:16 | |
who actually came to see me about something else. | 0:06:16 | 0:06:19 | |
He was despairing because a couple of women had accused him | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
of staring at them in the university library. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:26 | |
He was petrified of being kicked out of the university, | 0:06:26 | 0:06:30 | |
but insists that he wasn't staring. | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
Actually, he needed glasses | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
and he was young and good-looking and too vain to admit it. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:40 | |
Obviously, those women had every right to feel uncomfortable | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
at the way he was staring at them. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
But, in actual fact, he wasn't staring at them. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:49 | |
They were, literally, a blur to him. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
So, I suggested what he could do - wear glasses, have contact lenses. | 0:06:51 | 0:06:55 | |
In the end he went for corrective eye surgery - staring problem over. | 0:06:55 | 0:06:59 | |
So what's your excuse? | 0:07:01 | 0:07:02 | |
You letched after Maria when you came in. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:05 | |
Do you need glasses too? | 0:07:05 | 0:07:07 | |
Sue Gleeson, Social Sciences. I'm not comfortable with a man here. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:11 | |
It skews the whole thing. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:13 | |
You have to be the centre of attention. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
Since we started, it's all been about you. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:17 | |
He only glanced at Maria for a second. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:19 | |
That's all it takes for him to strip her naked in his mind's eye and reduce her to an object. | 0:07:19 | 0:07:24 | |
You overestimate the speed of Daniel's brain. | 0:07:24 | 0:07:26 | |
Can I stop you there, Sue? | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
The guidelines are very clear. | 0:07:28 | 0:07:30 | |
Let's stick to the issues and not make things personal. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:33 | |
I take your point, but I like having men attend these workshops. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:36 | |
It stops it being just me preaching to the converted. | 0:07:36 | 0:07:39 | |
I'm already converted! | 0:07:39 | 0:07:41 | |
But not every woman is pro-feminism. | 0:07:41 | 0:07:44 | |
Fair point. Everyone will get a chance to be heard. | 0:07:44 | 0:07:47 | |
Let's continue. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
Role-play! Remember the rules in the briefing notes. | 0:08:01 | 0:08:04 | |
The objective is to gain a greater understanding of what constitutes | 0:08:04 | 0:08:07 | |
sexual harassment, what the impact is, and what you can do about it. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:12 | |
Gender reversal. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:14 | |
Daniel, would you be willing to be a female fresher student | 0:08:14 | 0:08:18 | |
who finds herself surrounded by a group of young men steeped in lads' culture? | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
I would. You mean like in a rugby club? | 0:08:22 | 0:08:25 | |
Exactly. They're all drunk, a bit lairy. | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
Oh, Daniel was in the rugby club, so nuts out for the lads! | 0:08:28 | 0:08:31 | |
Remember, it's gender reversal. | 0:08:31 | 0:08:33 | |
-Hello, darling? Need a drink? -Hello, sweetheart. -Nice jugs. | 0:08:33 | 0:08:37 | |
I'm up here. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:38 | |
What do you think, lads? Six out of ten? | 0:08:38 | 0:08:40 | |
More than that. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:41 | |
Whoa! Whoa, whoa, whoa! I was just groped! | 0:08:41 | 0:08:45 | |
Ladies, please. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:46 | |
But it's what really happens, right? We've all been groped. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:49 | |
What's the matter, love? It's just a bit of fun. | 0:08:49 | 0:08:51 | |
Stop there, please. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:52 | |
She was up for it just now. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:54 | |
You loved it, really, c'mon. | 0:08:54 | 0:08:56 | |
Whoever that was, you cannot behave like that. | 0:08:56 | 0:08:58 | |
Besides the impact on Daniel, there can be major consequences for the university. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:03 | |
Have a coffee, then we'll discuss this. | 0:09:03 | 0:09:05 | |
Was that you? | 0:09:09 | 0:09:10 | |
Might have been. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:12 | |
I'm addicted to this stuff. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:26 | |
I saw what you did. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:27 | |
OK, I'm sorry. | 0:09:29 | 0:09:31 | |
I got carried away. | 0:09:31 | 0:09:33 | |
Maria's right, you're right. I shouldn't have done it. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:36 | |
I'll apologise to Daniel. | 0:09:36 | 0:09:38 | |
Don't. He thinks it was me. It's done. | 0:09:38 | 0:09:40 | |
At least now he knows what most women experience all the time. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:44 | |
It might make him a better man. | 0:09:44 | 0:09:47 | |
It's interesting you talk about humour. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
One of the big problems now is sexting. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:53 | |
There are some samples. I'm not just talking about sexually suggestive or offensive text messages, | 0:09:53 | 0:09:59 | |
I'm including all sorts of social media, where children | 0:09:59 | 0:10:02 | |
as young as seven are texting offensive messages. | 0:10:02 | 0:10:05 | |
It makes me fear for my daughter. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:07 | |
I'll speak to her mother! | 0:10:07 | 0:10:09 | |
Yes, she will need to be protected from men. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:11 | |
Why from men? | 0:10:11 | 0:10:13 | |
What, you're tarring all men as if they're the kind of creeps that groom children? | 0:10:13 | 0:10:17 | |
Plenty of women have been involved in crimes against children! | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
Or are you suggesting children need protection from me? | 0:10:21 | 0:10:24 | |
I think you need to apologise. | 0:10:27 | 0:10:28 | |
Let's all take a moment. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
These are emotive issues. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:33 | |
Sue, Daniel's correct, what you said was offensive. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:37 | |
I think an apology is called for. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
If you found it offensive, then I apologise, | 0:10:41 | 0:10:44 | |
but there's a lot of male behaviour I find... | 0:10:44 | 0:10:46 | |
No, no. That is one of those mealy-mouthed apologies | 0:10:46 | 0:10:49 | |
that isn't an apology at all. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:50 | |
I think you can do better than that. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
Before you take a swing at me, I am sorry for keeping you waiting. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
-Just too many patients that took longer than expected. -All right. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
I'm sorry, take a seat. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:03 | |
Thank you. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
So, Al, how've you been? | 0:11:05 | 0:11:08 | |
-Well, actually, never better. -Good. | 0:11:08 | 0:11:12 | |
-Breaking news - I've been cutting down on the old sugar. -Excellent. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:17 | |
I'm feeling rather positive. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
That's why I didn't like waiting so long in the waiting room. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:23 | |
Sitting on my backside's not good for me, is it? | 0:11:23 | 0:11:26 | |
Maybe you could consider getting some treadmills for your waiting room. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:30 | |
You've got people waiting so long. They could build up a sweat. | 0:11:30 | 0:11:33 | |
I'll put it in the suggestion box. | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
Right. Now, it's too soon for there to be any improvement | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
on my blood sugar levels, but there might be some on cholesterol? | 0:11:38 | 0:11:41 | |
What do results say for cholesterol? | 0:11:41 | 0:11:43 | |
Odd. The results aren't back yet. Excuse me. | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
Hi, it's Victoria. | 0:11:47 | 0:11:48 | |
Could you chase up Dr Haskey's cholesterol for me, please? | 0:11:48 | 0:11:51 | |
Quick as you can. Thank you. | 0:11:51 | 0:11:53 | |
Ooh, so much suspense. | 0:11:54 | 0:11:56 | |
Didn't your system break down last time I was here? | 0:11:57 | 0:12:00 | |
Yes. We're working on it. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:02 | |
Hm. You're working on it. | 0:12:02 | 0:12:05 | |
Can I help you to a banana, or are they too excessively phallic for you? | 0:12:10 | 0:12:14 | |
Are you going to take this seriously? | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
Well, at least I read the briefing notes. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
I had to look after our son while Zara prepared. | 0:12:20 | 0:12:24 | |
He is seriously citing childcare as the reason for not preparing | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
sufficiently for a conference on sexism? | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
Well, that is inventive. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:34 | |
I promise you I am taking this seriously. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:37 | |
It's just Mother Dungaree I can't take seriously. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:39 | |
All that wholemeal worthiness. But, I'll be good, I promise. | 0:12:39 | 0:12:42 | |
I agree with most of it. | 0:12:44 | 0:12:45 | |
It's just the ludicrous excesses that I can't put up with. | 0:12:45 | 0:12:49 | |
Zara never takes any prisoners. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:50 | |
I can tell. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:52 | |
You two must have a feisty time of it. | 0:12:52 | 0:12:54 | |
I suspect if more women had your attitude, | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
workshops like these wouldn't be quite so necessary. | 0:12:56 | 0:12:59 | |
Go on, then, you must be gagging to go and tell her what you really think about her. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:06 | |
Especially after she pulled out the whole "all men are rapists" line. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:10 | |
I think she's a very smart, | 0:13:10 | 0:13:12 | |
thoughtful woman who cares deeply about these issues. | 0:13:12 | 0:13:15 | |
Nice try, no coconut. Supper's on you. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:17 | |
So, how's the sugar ban at The Mill working out? | 0:13:21 | 0:13:25 | |
-Well, our energy levels are certainly more stable in the afternoon, but... -But? | 0:13:25 | 0:13:31 | |
Well, you can't force people to live a more healthier lifestyle. You can't. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
Why make someone feel bad about something that makes them feel good? | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
Yes or no, Al, is the sugar ban working or not? | 0:13:41 | 0:13:44 | |
I'm thinking of pushing for one here. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
I think we should set an example, all of us. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:48 | |
Set an example? | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
I don't know about you, but I signed up to be a doctor, | 0:13:50 | 0:13:52 | |
not some poster child for healthy living. | 0:13:52 | 0:13:55 | |
Yeah, but here you are, you've been weighed, we're talking about your | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
blood sugar levels, we're awaiting results on your cholesterol. | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
And you've lost two pounds since your last visit. | 0:14:02 | 0:14:05 | |
Yeah, and both of those pounds were my choice. My choice! | 0:14:05 | 0:14:08 | |
So are you saying that the sugar ban hasn't nudged your choice? | 0:14:08 | 0:14:11 | |
Made you a teensy bit more conscious about the decisions you make regarding your health? | 0:14:11 | 0:14:16 | |
Yes or no, Al? Is the sugar ban working? | 0:14:17 | 0:14:20 | |
PHONE RINGS | 0:14:22 | 0:14:24 | |
Are you going to get that? | 0:14:24 | 0:14:27 | |
Hi, Victoria? Great, the results are back? | 0:14:27 | 0:14:30 | |
The idea is to look at how appropriate language is when dealing with trans patients. | 0:14:30 | 0:14:36 | |
Zara, Daniel is Kelly. Kelly identifies herself as a woman. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:41 | |
She is in the process of transitioning from male to female. | 0:14:41 | 0:14:44 | |
Daniel... | 0:14:44 | 0:14:46 | |
Kelly. | 0:14:46 | 0:14:47 | |
Kelly. | 0:14:47 | 0:14:48 | |
So, I understand there's been some bleeding since the operation? | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
-Yes. -What treatment do you suggest for the patient? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:54 | |
I haven't finished his consultation yet. There may be an infection. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
Her consultation. | 0:14:57 | 0:14:58 | |
This isn't trying to trip you up - | 0:14:58 | 0:15:00 | |
it's to illustrate how easily the problems can arise. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
OK, I could be more thoughtful. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
Although to be honest, it's rather difficult when you're doing this | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
with someone who's your real life partner. | 0:15:09 | 0:15:11 | |
OK. Let's make it easy. I'll be Kelly. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:14 | |
Thank you very much. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:16 | |
So? | 0:15:17 | 0:15:18 | |
You were six point three. Guess were you are now? | 0:15:18 | 0:15:22 | |
Well, I can't read your handwriting, so...five point three? | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
Five! | 0:15:28 | 0:15:30 | |
Your HDLs are up, your LDLs and your triglycerides are both down. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:35 | |
Well done! | 0:15:35 | 0:15:36 | |
And your blood shows that your liver and renal function, normal. | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
KNOCKING | 0:15:40 | 0:15:41 | |
But we're not done. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:43 | |
We need to deal with your smoking, Al. | 0:15:44 | 0:15:46 | |
We can go through the options. | 0:15:48 | 0:15:50 | |
I know the options, thank you very much. | 0:15:50 | 0:15:52 | |
I'm a doctor myself. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
I'm not going to chew gum, or wear patches, | 0:15:54 | 0:15:57 | |
or those ridiculous electronic devices, OK? | 0:15:57 | 0:15:59 | |
I'm a smoker, that's my choice. | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
I'm rather good at it. Suits me. | 0:16:01 | 0:16:03 | |
OK, shall we cut out the deflection tactics, | 0:16:03 | 0:16:06 | |
and behave like medical professionals. | 0:16:06 | 0:16:08 | |
One doctor to another... you need to stop smoking | 0:16:08 | 0:16:12 | |
because there's a good chance it will kill you. Understand? | 0:16:12 | 0:16:17 | |
Do you understand? | 0:16:17 | 0:16:18 | |
Yes, I understand, all right? I understand! | 0:16:18 | 0:16:21 | |
I would refer you back to your surgeon. He's very good. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
At least, he was a "he" last time I checked. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:29 | |
Not that I check. | 0:16:29 | 0:16:31 | |
Was the flippant comment appropriate, Daniel? | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
I wouldn't say it to a real patient. | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
Or a real transgender person? | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
No. Course not. | 0:16:38 | 0:16:39 | |
You assume that I'm not. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:40 | |
Are you? | 0:16:42 | 0:16:43 | |
Yes. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:45 | |
OK. Which way? | 0:16:47 | 0:16:49 | |
I mean... That was a... | 0:16:49 | 0:16:51 | |
That was, er... | 0:16:51 | 0:16:53 | |
I meant to say, good for you. | 0:16:53 | 0:16:56 | |
It is good for you, isn't it? | 0:16:56 | 0:17:00 | |
What? It's perfectly normal to make a joke. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:04 | |
Does a slightly thoughtless joke have to be sinister? | 0:17:05 | 0:17:08 | |
Thoughtless? You should've read the briefing notes. | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
That was tame compared to some of the stuff I've had thrown at me. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
I was married before I transitioned | 0:17:15 | 0:17:17 | |
so I had two angry, upset families to deal with. | 0:17:17 | 0:17:20 | |
I get that, but attitude doesn't change overnight. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
I mean, think back, ten years ago, | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
how many of us would have been happy to be so candid about all of this? | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
It's going to take time to completely change that. | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
Right, I'll throw this out to the room. Why should I wait? | 0:17:32 | 0:17:35 | |
Hear, hear. | 0:17:35 | 0:17:37 | |
I can't say that you should. | 0:17:37 | 0:17:39 | |
But is confrontation, arguing, going to get you anywhere quicker? | 0:17:39 | 0:17:44 | |
This is why he should leave! | 0:17:44 | 0:17:45 | |
Oh, do be quiet! | 0:17:45 | 0:17:47 | |
He doesn't understand and he doesn't respect the issues. He doesn't think there's a problem! | 0:17:47 | 0:17:52 | |
On the contrary, | 0:17:52 | 0:17:53 | |
he's discussing the issues in a respectful and adult manner. | 0:17:53 | 0:17:56 | |
I'm with Zara. | 0:17:56 | 0:17:57 | |
His attitude is oppressive. He's not playing devil's advocate. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
This is what he actually thinks! | 0:18:00 | 0:18:02 | |
No. It's exactly why I asked him to stay. | 0:18:02 | 0:18:04 | |
Daniel's only asking questions. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:06 | |
And, to be honest with you, I used to ask myself | 0:18:06 | 0:18:09 | |
a lot of those questions and didn't have any easy answers. | 0:18:09 | 0:18:12 | |
Daniel, thank you for your contribution. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:14 | |
The "which way" thing - classy. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
I wonder if she had as good legs before she was a woman. | 0:18:25 | 0:18:29 | |
You certainly got a good enough look at them. | 0:18:29 | 0:18:31 | |
Just out of curiosity... what is your real name? | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
-My real name? -Yeah. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:39 | |
Maria, but that's a really inappropriate question. | 0:18:39 | 0:18:43 | |
I, personally, am OK with it, | 0:18:43 | 0:18:45 | |
but it's an invitation to focus on a time | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
when many transgender people | 0:18:48 | 0:18:49 | |
were probably deeply unhappy and unable to be their real selves. | 0:18:49 | 0:18:53 | |
Daniel needs to think before he opens his mouth. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
You just couldn't help yourself, could you? One point to me! | 0:19:00 | 0:19:05 | |
Excuse me, can I have a word? | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
Sorry. It's just, it's probably nothing but I noticed that you were scratching at that mole... | 0:19:19 | 0:19:24 | |
Were you staring at my breasts? | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
No. I just wondered if it had changed shape recently. | 0:19:26 | 0:19:29 | |
You were staring at my breasts! | 0:19:29 | 0:19:31 | |
No, no, no. I noticed it, and its colour and its shape concerns me, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
so I thought best to bring it up and maybe you can go and see your GP, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:37 | |
or maybe we could have a look at it. | 0:19:37 | 0:19:39 | |
-You can have a better look? -Yeah. | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
No, not that. I can organise for a woman doctor to... | 0:19:41 | 0:19:44 | |
Is this how you deal with strong women? | 0:19:44 | 0:19:47 | |
Belittle them, humiliate them? | 0:19:47 | 0:19:49 | |
No. It... | 0:19:49 | 0:19:50 | |
Mike is confident, third date. "She likes me", he thinks. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:59 | |
In his room, they start kissing | 0:19:59 | 0:20:01 | |
and things get steamy. | 0:20:01 | 0:20:03 | |
He starts to undress her, but he feels that she's not really into it. | 0:20:03 | 0:20:08 | |
He asks, "You OK?" "Yeah, I'm fine," Polly says. | 0:20:08 | 0:20:12 | |
But her body is rigid, tense, not relaxed. | 0:20:12 | 0:20:16 | |
Should he stop? | 0:20:16 | 0:20:18 | |
Daniel? | 0:20:24 | 0:20:27 | |
Um... He's asked her if she's OK. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
She's not said "no." In fact, her answer suggests "yes." | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
But we're talking about students, | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
and we're saying that they behave rationally all the time. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
They don't. When I was that age I didn't understand myself, completely. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
I bet you didn't, either. | 0:20:43 | 0:20:45 | |
I run a consent workshop. "Yeah, I'm fine" isn't consent. | 0:20:45 | 0:20:48 | |
It's not "stop," either, is it, though? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:50 | |
This scenario puts all the responsibility on him. | 0:20:50 | 0:20:53 | |
Surely she has a responsibility that if she is uncomfortable, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
she has to say, "I'm not fine. Please stop." | 0:20:56 | 0:21:00 | |
That's naive. | 0:21:00 | 0:21:01 | |
Well, it's a way of saying there's a grey area. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:05 | |
When I was that age, I would have thought, "result." | 0:21:05 | 0:21:08 | |
So you're saying you'd have raped her? | 0:21:08 | 0:21:10 | |
No, he's not. Sue, I've warned you about making things personal. | 0:21:10 | 0:21:13 | |
The law is clear. There has to be consent or the reasonable belief consent is present. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
Maybe they've both been drinking. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:19 | |
Maybe "I'm fine" is, in his mind, "Yes, she's enjoying it." | 0:21:19 | 0:21:24 | |
Their hormones are raging, disconnecting their brains from reasonable thought. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:28 | |
That is a rapist's charter. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:30 | |
Some of the scenarios, absolutely, it's rape, yes. | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
But others - it's not always that simple. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
I am not staying here with a Neanderthal sexist creep who justifies rape. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:41 | |
It's a debate, which is good. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:42 | |
If you were a real woman, you'd never take his side on... | 0:21:42 | 0:21:45 | |
..on, um... | 0:21:47 | 0:21:48 | |
Either... Either he goes or I go! | 0:21:50 | 0:21:54 | |
Sue! | 0:22:00 | 0:22:02 | |
Daniel! Don't! | 0:22:10 | 0:22:12 | |
Sue, please just come back in. | 0:22:13 | 0:22:15 | |
No, not with him there. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:17 | |
Please, it's what it's about. It's a debate. | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
No, it's not a debate. | 0:22:19 | 0:22:20 | |
Sue. Mind if we... | 0:22:20 | 0:22:22 | |
You think I'm an idiot, I get that, but I was not staring at your boobs. | 0:22:25 | 0:22:30 | |
Now, more importantly, | 0:22:30 | 0:22:31 | |
you need to get a potential medical problem checked out, straight away. | 0:22:31 | 0:22:35 | |
Perhaps Zara can take a look for you... | 0:22:35 | 0:22:38 | |
I've had enough of the double act. Fun's over. | 0:22:39 | 0:22:42 | |
-What? -Um... | 0:22:47 | 0:22:49 | |
So, to conclude, consent. | 0:22:59 | 0:23:03 | |
If we think of it like tea... | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
Tea? | 0:23:06 | 0:23:08 | |
You...the general you, not you personally, | 0:23:08 | 0:23:11 | |
you wouldn't force a woman to drink it, | 0:23:11 | 0:23:13 | |
even if you went to the trouble of making it. | 0:23:13 | 0:23:17 | |
We don't live in a world saturated with tea. | 0:23:17 | 0:23:20 | |
We don't have mates telling us how much tea they've had. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:23 | |
Our hormones aren't screaming at us to get tea. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:26 | |
It's not the same thing. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:28 | |
Daniel's tea-making isn't very good. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:33 | |
It's drinkable, just. He likes it weak. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:39 | |
Sometimes I don't fancy tea but he makes me one | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 | |
and I force it down because it's nice that he's made the effort. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:50 | |
And other times, actually, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
first sip and it's just exactly what I want. | 0:23:54 | 0:23:59 | |
But, you do all understand that I am only talking about tea? | 0:24:01 | 0:24:07 | |
I'm waiting for Maria. I owe her an apology. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:22 | |
No doubt you think you're so clever, | 0:24:22 | 0:24:24 | |
but in the end, you're just working for the patriarchy. | 0:24:24 | 0:24:27 | |
Both of you. | 0:24:27 | 0:24:28 | |
Yeah, that's me. I'm all about the patriarchy! | 0:24:28 | 0:24:31 | |
I don't really care what you think about me, | 0:24:31 | 0:24:34 | |
but I wasn't staring at your boobs. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:36 | |
Zara, please tell her that I would not put the fear of cancer | 0:24:36 | 0:24:39 | |
into someone for the sake of a silly bit of letching. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:42 | |
Of course not. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:47 | |
If he says get it checked out, get it checked out. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:50 | |
I did not lose the bet. | 0:24:58 | 0:24:59 | |
I was not reverting to typical gender roles. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
You so were a typical male. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
Well, no more than you were a typical female! | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
You're still doing it! You're still arguing. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:10 | |
You cannot bear to be beaten by a woman! | 0:25:10 | 0:25:13 | |
You could not be more your gender role. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:17 | |
And don't sulk at me because of Mother Dungaree. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:19 | |
You gave her advice, and she didn't take it. | 0:25:19 | 0:25:22 | |
She didn't take the advice because of the seminar! And I'm not sulking! | 0:25:22 | 0:25:25 | |
Have you seen her at the surgery? | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
No. But if you really need to pursue this, call the campus. | 0:25:30 | 0:25:34 | |
Karen, hi. It's Daniel. Yeah. Could you do me a favour, please? | 0:25:39 | 0:25:43 | |
Could you check to see if we're got a Sue Gleeson registered? | 0:25:43 | 0:25:46 | |
OK. Let me check for you. Yep. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
No. She's not registered here. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:56 | |
OK, yeah. No problem. Bye. | 0:25:57 | 0:26:01 | |
-So sorry to keep you waiting, what name is it, please? -No worries. It's James Dallow. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
-James Dallow. How are you spelling Dallow, James? -D-A-L-L-O-W. | 0:26:05 | 0:26:09 | |
-Care to take a seat? -Thank you. -Thank you. | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
Sulk over? | 0:26:15 | 0:26:17 | |
I'll honour the bet. Buy you supper. That's not me conceding. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:23 | |
If that's what your male pride needs to believe, then OK. | 0:26:23 | 0:26:26 | |
We can talk about implementing the lessons from the workshop to The Mill. | 0:26:28 | 0:26:32 | |
I was hoping for something a little more romantic. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:36 | |
A lovely meal then, after, | 0:26:36 | 0:26:39 | |
I might fancy an invigorating cup of builder's tea or perhaps | 0:26:39 | 0:26:44 | |
something a little more refined, like a delicate cup of Darjeeling. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:50 | |
I'm getting out of these clothes. | 0:26:50 | 0:26:52 | |
Put the kettle on. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:56 | |
-I was just thinking about Halloween. -That traumatic, is it? | 0:27:01 | 0:27:05 | |
I was just wondering what I was going to do with Barney this year? | 0:27:05 | 0:27:08 | |
Go big! | 0:27:08 | 0:27:09 | |
This isn't an easy path to take, | 0:27:09 | 0:27:11 | |
and if you do, then it will take a very long time. | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
Believe me, I'm ready. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
-Are you happy, though? -What? | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
You know, if you were with me, you'd be ecstatic. | 0:27:19 | 0:27:22 | |
-Right. -It is. | 0:27:22 | 0:27:24 |