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Fintan MacEntee? Detective Superintendent Pullman. | 0:00:24 | 0:00:27 | |
Jack Halford. Interesting choice of venue. | 0:00:27 | 0:00:30 | |
Well, I wanted to meet somewhere there was no chance | 0:00:30 | 0:00:32 | |
-of bumping into any of my fellow countrymen. -Here? | 0:00:32 | 0:00:35 | |
Believe you me, no self-respecting Irishman would be seen dead in this place. | 0:00:35 | 0:00:39 | |
So, I think I know what you two want to talk to me about. | 0:00:39 | 0:00:42 | |
Barbara Linden-Warner. | 0:00:42 | 0:00:43 | |
Kidnapped August '83 from the Mayfair Hotel, London. She was 18. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
-Yes, I know all this. -I know you do, because three days later, | 0:00:47 | 0:00:50 | |
your organisation phoned the press and claimed responsibility. | 0:00:50 | 0:00:54 | |
Former organisation. | 0:00:54 | 0:00:55 | |
The Republican Front disbanded and decommissioned a long time ago. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
Whatever, then last week you told a completely different story. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
You read the interview? | 0:01:02 | 0:01:03 | |
When asked about Barbara's abduction you said you only got involved because of the publicity, | 0:01:03 | 0:01:08 | |
because of the outrage it would cause and now you deeply regret it. | 0:01:08 | 0:01:12 | |
-And I do. -So how come it took 27 years and a newspaper article for you to come forward? | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
Anything to do with you running for the European Parliament? | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
You don't often find abduction and murder in an MEP's manifesto. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:23 | |
Most MEPs didn't grow up in Belfast in the '70s. | 0:01:23 | 0:01:26 | |
Maybe you've heard about it. | 0:01:26 | 0:01:28 | |
It was a dark time. Terrible things happened. | 0:01:28 | 0:01:30 | |
Oh, yes, your troubled youth. | 0:01:30 | 0:01:33 | |
You know you ought to write a book about it. Oh! | 0:01:33 | 0:01:35 | |
You did! | 0:01:37 | 0:01:38 | |
Listen, I'm sorry I didn't come forward earlier, | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
but I'm sure you'll understand that someone with my history | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
might find it difficult to walk into a London police station. | 0:01:46 | 0:01:50 | |
Anyway it's all out in the open now. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:53 | |
I saw the light when I was sent to the Maze. | 0:01:53 | 0:01:56 | |
I'm not interested in your life story. | 0:01:56 | 0:01:58 | |
-I just want to know whether what you said in that interview was true. -Of course it was. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:02 | |
The Republican Front did not kidnap or kill that girl. | 0:02:02 | 0:02:05 | |
We simply saw an opportunity to raise our profile by claiming responsibility. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:10 | |
And maybe give Barbara's father a few sleepless nights. | 0:02:10 | 0:02:13 | |
Sir Kenneth, Managing Director of Linden-Warner Industries, | 0:02:13 | 0:02:18 | |
one of the companies that supplied the RUC with plastic bullets. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
We'll be in touch Mr MacEntee. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
-Have you read it? -Not really. I don't like fiction. | 0:02:28 | 0:02:31 | |
# It's all right It's OK | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
# Doesn't really matter if you're old and grey | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
# It's all right I say it's OK | 0:02:38 | 0:02:40 | |
# Listen to what I say | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
# It's all right, doing fine | 0:02:43 | 0:02:45 | |
# Doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
# It's all right I say it's OK | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
# We're gettin' to the end of the day. # | 0:02:52 | 0:02:54 | |
Oh, he didn't do it! That's what the former Irish terrorist told you?! | 0:02:56 | 0:02:59 | |
-Yes, Gerry. -What else did he say, he knows where Shergar is?! | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
You're not the only one with reservations. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:05 | |
I should bloody well hope not! | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
Think of the girl's family. | 0:03:07 | 0:03:08 | |
Nearly 30 years of not knowing what happened. | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
-That's why we're taking the case. -All right. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:13 | |
Just don't expect me to be happy | 0:03:13 | 0:03:15 | |
about helping MacEntee's political campaign. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:17 | |
He's a man of peace now. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:19 | |
He just wants to teach the world to sing in perfect harmony. | 0:03:19 | 0:03:22 | |
Cheers, Jack! | 0:03:22 | 0:03:23 | |
Well, he was never much of a terrorist in the first place. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:26 | |
-What? -What? The Republican Front. | 0:03:26 | 0:03:29 | |
They were always minor league. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
Basically a bunch of wannabe thugs. Exhibit A. | 0:03:31 | 0:03:34 | |
I've seen that picture before, haven't I? | 0:03:34 | 0:03:36 | |
Yeah, because it was everywhere in the summer of '83. | 0:03:36 | 0:03:40 | |
You know, that pub riot in Kilburn, The Duke of Wellington. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
Yeah, some shop windows got smashed and the pub was looted. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:47 | |
Oh, that's right, yeah. | 0:03:47 | 0:03:48 | |
Two young uniformed lads steamed in there cos the Paddies were all drinking after hours. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:53 | |
Well, Fintan MacEntee was one of those arrested, and hence captured for posterity. | 0:03:53 | 0:03:58 | |
Right, take a look at the case files. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:01 | |
Come on, get on with it! | 0:04:02 | 0:04:04 | |
This case is full of bad decisions. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
Yes, starting with the family not getting in touch | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
with the kidnap squad, until after they paid the ransom. | 0:04:14 | 0:04:17 | |
By the time the investigation had started, the trail had gone cold. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
Which might be why the investigation centred mostly around the Irish angle. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:25 | |
They didn't have a lot to go on. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:26 | |
They should have explored every angle. That was their job. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
So, it's the Met's fault, is it? | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
I'm not saying that. But I remember what it was like in '83. | 0:04:31 | 0:04:34 | |
Everyone was on high alert. | 0:04:34 | 0:04:36 | |
Terrorism makes people terrified. | 0:04:36 | 0:04:38 | |
-And terrified people do not make good decisions. -What do you think? | 0:04:38 | 0:04:41 | |
Well, the girl was at a big posh do at the Mayfair Hotel. | 0:04:41 | 0:04:46 | |
Her boyfriend said that between 8.30 and 9 they had a bit of a row, | 0:04:46 | 0:04:50 | |
she stormed out and was never seen again. | 0:04:50 | 0:04:52 | |
The alarm was raised in the morning when the boyfriend went to the house and she wasn't there. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:57 | |
And then this arrived. | 0:04:57 | 0:04:58 | |
"We have your daughter. We will return her when Ireland is free once more. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:03 | |
"Do not speak to police." | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
When Ireland is free once more? | 0:05:05 | 0:05:06 | |
I know. In '83 there was definitely no sign of that happening. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
If I'd have got this I'd have thought she was dead. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:12 | |
Maybe, but then this arrived 48 hours later. | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
"Ten thousand quid to the place on the map by midnight. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:20 | |
"Then to Fleet Services. M3. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:23 | |
"Call police, we kill her." | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
Someone obviously decided they needed the money. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
-Is it just me... -Yeah, they're different. The first one's much more formal. | 0:05:29 | 0:05:33 | |
And properly punctuated. Look. They've even cut out full stops from the newspaper. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:37 | |
And they've used two different typefaces on the ransom demand. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:41 | |
And a different type again on the first note. | 0:05:41 | 0:05:43 | |
All right, we're going to go back to the beginning and investigate this | 0:05:43 | 0:05:47 | |
as a kidnap, not an act of terrorism. | 0:05:47 | 0:05:50 | |
Hold on! | 0:05:50 | 0:05:51 | |
Linden-Warner Industries had been threatened by Republican groups for years. | 0:05:51 | 0:05:55 | |
Not just them, Gerry. They have a fairly contentious client list. | 0:05:55 | 0:05:59 | |
Nicaragua, Israel, South Africa... | 0:05:59 | 0:06:01 | |
-You and Gerry look at the hate mail and see if there are any specific threats. -OK. | 0:06:01 | 0:06:06 | |
But what about the specific threat in that? | 0:06:06 | 0:06:08 | |
I haven't forgotten, I'm just trying to review the evidence with an open mind, | 0:06:08 | 0:06:12 | |
if it's OK with you?! | 0:06:12 | 0:06:13 | |
Open minds? Yeah, it's fine with me! | 0:06:13 | 0:06:17 | |
Not everyone's feeling the credit crunch, I see. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
You never see arms manufacturers on the breadline. | 0:06:22 | 0:06:26 | |
We can always afford a war. | 0:06:26 | 0:06:27 | |
-Detective Superintendent Pullman, ma'am. -Thank you. | 0:06:29 | 0:06:34 | |
Lady Elizabeth, thank you for agreeing to see us, this is Jack Halford. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:38 | |
How do you do? | 0:06:38 | 0:06:39 | |
I've been expecting you. Ever since... | 0:06:39 | 0:06:41 | |
We read the article. | 0:06:42 | 0:06:44 | |
He was lying, wasn't he? | 0:06:44 | 0:06:46 | |
We're not sure, which is why we want to reopen the investigation. | 0:06:46 | 0:06:50 | |
Good. | 0:06:50 | 0:06:53 | |
That's good. | 0:06:53 | 0:06:55 | |
I mean, I know there's very little chance you'll find my daughter alive, but... | 0:06:55 | 0:07:01 | |
Of course. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:07 | |
Oh, please, sit down. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
Thank you. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:10 | |
I just want to know where she is. | 0:07:11 | 0:07:16 | |
Where she's been all this time. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:19 | |
I'm sorry. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:24 | |
Please excuse me. | 0:07:26 | 0:07:28 | |
Michael, I need you to talk to these people. I can't... | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
What the hell's going on? | 0:07:32 | 0:07:34 | |
I'm Detective Superintendent Pullman. | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
Jack Halford. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
Is this about Barbara and what that idiot said in his interview? | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
You do know that he's running for election? | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
-We're aware of that. -Do you not find it all rather convenient? | 0:07:45 | 0:07:48 | |
It had crossed our minds. | 0:07:48 | 0:07:50 | |
We can see how upset my mother is. There's nothing to be gained from dragging all this up. | 0:07:50 | 0:07:54 | |
If we can give your mother some answers... | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
But we all know what the final answer to all this will be. My sister is dead. | 0:07:57 | 0:08:01 | |
We'd like want to find out exactly what happened. Don't you think that might help her? | 0:08:01 | 0:08:05 | |
That depends on what you find out, doesn't it? | 0:08:05 | 0:08:08 | |
I'm sorry, I wonder if I could use your, um... | 0:08:08 | 0:08:11 | |
Course, it's across the hallway. | 0:08:11 | 0:08:13 | |
Thank you. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:14 | |
KNOCKS ON DOOR | 0:08:32 | 0:08:33 | |
This is the one job I insist on doing myself. | 0:08:37 | 0:08:40 | |
My wife always used to say if you want a job doing properly, do it yourself. | 0:08:40 | 0:08:45 | |
This was taken the night Barbara went missing. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
Pretty girl. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:54 | |
It was a very special night for her. | 0:08:55 | 0:08:58 | |
That ball is the culmination of the season. | 0:08:58 | 0:09:01 | |
Barbara was a deb that year. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:04 | |
A debutante? Was she presented to the Queen? | 0:09:04 | 0:09:07 | |
Oh, no. All that had gone by then, more's the pity. | 0:09:07 | 0:09:10 | |
Still, it was an honour to be part of things. | 0:09:10 | 0:09:13 | |
A young lady's debut season is a wonderful opportunity to meet people, make friends. | 0:09:13 | 0:09:19 | |
-Meet a young man? -If a girl couldn't find a good prospect for herself | 0:09:19 | 0:09:24 | |
during the season, there really was no hope for her. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:27 | |
Although, Barbara had no problems in that department. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
She was always going to be popular. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:34 | |
So, she met Gregory Hampton that summer? | 0:09:34 | 0:09:37 | |
-Yes. We were very happy. He was from an excellent family. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:42 | |
That's what it was all about. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:43 | |
Finding a suitable husband. I mean, all the white dresses. | 0:09:43 | 0:09:46 | |
Suppose you're halfway towards a wedding already. | 0:09:46 | 0:09:49 | |
It's more like a virgin sacrifice. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:51 | |
When did you realise that something was wrong? | 0:09:51 | 0:09:56 | |
Well, Greg arrived here in the morning. | 0:09:57 | 0:09:59 | |
He thought she'd be at home. | 0:09:59 | 0:10:00 | |
-Where did the family think she was? -At the ball. It was marathon not a sprint. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
You stayed until breakfast. Barbara had a car for the morning. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:07 | |
-She was supposed to come back with her friend Kate. -Kate Smythe? -Yes. | 0:10:07 | 0:10:11 | |
Kate didn't even see her leave. She assumed she was with Greg and had gone home alone. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
Do you know what the argument was about between Barbara and Greg? | 0:10:15 | 0:10:19 | |
Greg didn't really remember. Too drunk. That was probably what kicked things off. | 0:10:19 | 0:10:23 | |
-Had they argued before? -I don't think so. I assume he had more sense. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:27 | |
What do you mean? | 0:10:27 | 0:10:28 | |
If you upset Barbara you upset my father, no-one wanted to upset my father. | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
Oh, I see. So, Sir Kenneth and Barbara were quite close. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:36 | |
That's an understatement. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:38 | |
He thought the sun rose and set with her. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:41 | |
Which, in many ways it did. | 0:10:41 | 0:10:43 | |
She was intelligent, kind... | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
funny. | 0:10:47 | 0:10:48 | |
She certainly didn't deserve what happened to her. | 0:10:49 | 0:10:52 | |
Why didn't your father call in the police? | 0:10:52 | 0:10:56 | |
He thought if he did what he was told, paid the ransom, then that would be that. | 0:10:56 | 0:11:00 | |
£10,000. Didn't somebody question the amount? | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
-Should we have? -Yeah, your father was a very wealthy man. | 0:11:03 | 0:11:06 | |
I guess we always assumed it wasn't about the money. It was a political gesture. | 0:11:06 | 0:11:10 | |
-But it was -you -who took the ransom money to the drop-off point? | 0:11:10 | 0:11:13 | |
It was in the middle of Epping Forest. It could have been a trap. | 0:11:13 | 0:11:16 | |
They may have wanted to abduct my father, so I had to go. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
That was very brave of you. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:21 | |
Dad had it worse. | 0:11:21 | 0:11:22 | |
He went to Fleet and waited for Barbara to be released. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
And waited. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:26 | |
And waited. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:28 | |
In fact he never stopped waiting. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:31 | |
Every day it would start again. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:32 | |
Today, maybe, she would come back to him. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:37 | |
It went on like that for two years, | 0:11:39 | 0:11:41 | |
until it killed him. | 0:11:41 | 0:11:44 | |
She would have made a beautiful bride, don't you think? | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
I think the low ransom suggests that it was an attack on the family, not their wallets. | 0:11:52 | 0:11:57 | |
-Yeah, well, it's... -Oi! | 0:11:57 | 0:11:58 | |
Don't even think about it. | 0:11:58 | 0:11:59 | |
Don't start with me. It's permit parking round here. Plenty of signs. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:03 | |
Yes, but I'm on a police investigation, all right? | 0:12:03 | 0:12:06 | |
Sandra? | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:12:08 | 0:12:09 | |
It is you. | 0:12:09 | 0:12:10 | |
Excuse me? | 0:12:10 | 0:12:11 | |
What I know it's been a while, but.. | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
Tracy. Tracy Smith. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:14 | |
From school? | 0:12:16 | 0:12:17 | |
Tracy. Yeah. How are you doing? | 0:12:19 | 0:12:21 | |
I'm not Detective Superintendent or anything. Haven't you done well for yourself? | 0:12:21 | 0:12:25 | |
-Yeah, I've done OK. -I expect you'll be coming then to show off. | 0:12:25 | 0:12:29 | |
Coming where? | 0:12:29 | 0:12:31 | |
School reunion, this week. Now you are going to be there, aren't you, Sandra? | 0:12:31 | 0:12:35 | |
I don't know, I'm very busy. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:37 | |
Don't say that! Loads of people are looking forward to seeing you. | 0:12:37 | 0:12:41 | |
Miss Harrington's coming. | 0:12:41 | 0:12:42 | |
-Miss Harrington? -Yeah, you got on well with her, didn't you? | 0:12:42 | 0:12:45 | |
It must be ages since you saw her? | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
Er, I don't know, like I said, busy week. I'll see what I can do. | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
Great. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:55 | |
See you there. | 0:12:55 | 0:12:56 | |
Yours, I think. | 0:13:03 | 0:13:04 | |
Right, we need to establish a timeline of what happened before the Linden-Warners called in the police. | 0:13:07 | 0:13:12 | |
Now we know that Barbara and Greg argued around 8:30, 9:00pm and then Greg raised the alarm | 0:13:12 | 0:13:17 | |
at 9:00 the next morning. | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
-Then the first letter arrived... -In the second post, about midday. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
Second post, bloody hell, those were the days. | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
And get this, The Royal Mail estimate it was posted the night of the kidnap. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:29 | |
It was collected from the post box about midnight. | 0:13:29 | 0:13:32 | |
-Where was it posted? -Central London, Soho postmark. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:35 | |
12 hours from post box to front door, fantastic. | 0:13:35 | 0:13:38 | |
Yeah, yeah, all hail The Royal Mail. | 0:13:38 | 0:13:40 | |
Thank you. Next question. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
-How did the abductors know where Barbara would be? -She was a debutante, it was a debutante's ball. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:48 | |
But she left early, so they had to be watching her. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
Are you thinking inside job? Someone who knew the family, knew their movements. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
It's a thought. We should take a look at who was working for the Linden-Warners at the time. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:59 | |
Domestic staff, people in the office. Who had access to their personal schedules? | 0:13:59 | 0:14:03 | |
Was there anyone new in the house? Anyone with an axe to grind? | 0:14:03 | 0:14:06 | |
Did anybody hand in their resignation after everything died down? | 0:14:06 | 0:14:10 | |
-Oh, won't take long(!) -Should narrow it down to about 10,000. | 0:14:10 | 0:14:13 | |
OK, the next day the ransom demand arrives. | 0:14:13 | 0:14:16 | |
-With a postmark, Mount Pleasant. -So, they were still in London. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
They had to hang around for the money. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:23 | |
Michael Linden-Warner | 0:14:23 | 0:14:24 | |
delivered that to Epping Forest at midnight as requested. | 0:14:24 | 0:14:28 | |
But they still didn't return Barbara, so the Linden-Warners called in the police. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:32 | |
Have I missed anything? | 0:14:32 | 0:14:33 | |
Yeah, yeah this mob the Republican Front, | 0:14:33 | 0:14:36 | |
they phoned the Evening Standard that night and said they had Barbara. | 0:14:36 | 0:14:40 | |
OK, what about the ransom amount? | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
Don't you think that ten grand is a little low for a professional job? | 0:14:43 | 0:14:46 | |
You think that's what it was? | 0:14:46 | 0:14:48 | |
Well, it had to be, with an insider, all the forward planning with the letters. | 0:14:48 | 0:14:52 | |
The fact that they snatched Barbara in central London no witnesses, no-one finding the body... | 0:14:52 | 0:14:56 | |
If it wasn't an inside job, that would involve watching the family, working out their movements. | 0:14:56 | 0:15:02 | |
-That's a lot of work for a small pay-out. -Exactly what I'm thinking. | 0:15:02 | 0:15:06 | |
-What do you do, Mr Hampton? -I'm a journalist. I work from home. | 0:15:06 | 0:15:10 | |
Let me move these and you can take a seat. They're all waiting to go to the recycling centre later. | 0:15:10 | 0:15:15 | |
Thank you. | 0:15:15 | 0:15:16 | |
I do wish all the broadsheets would give in and go tabloid. It would save my back. Sorry, I'm going on. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:23 | |
It's just, I'm not sure what I can tell you about Barbara. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
-Let's start with what you quarrelled about that night. -Well, I was quite drunk. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:31 | |
Not so drunk that you didn't remember to go round and apologise. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
Unless you're saying you couldn't remember what you were apologising for? | 0:15:34 | 0:15:38 | |
So you'd had a couple of drinks, but what else happened before the argument? | 0:15:38 | 0:15:42 | |
Was there any dancing or anything? | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
-No, not with my two left feet. -OK, whereabouts in the hotel were you when the row kicked off? | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
We were in one of the hotel rooms. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:53 | |
It was supposed to be romantic. | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
It was the last ball of the summer. | 0:15:58 | 0:16:00 | |
I'd ordered a bottle of champagne and maybe drunk a little too much of it. | 0:16:00 | 0:16:05 | |
It was Dutch courage. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:07 | |
-To do what? -To propose. | 0:16:07 | 0:16:09 | |
I had the ring, I went down on one knee and popped the question. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:13 | |
-And what was the answer? -A resounding no. | 0:16:13 | 0:16:16 | |
That's what the argument was about. She was supposed to say yes, drink the champagne and... | 0:16:16 | 0:16:20 | |
Make use of the room? | 0:16:20 | 0:16:21 | |
That's how I imagined it going. | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
So you must have been frustrated when it went wrong. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
I know what you're thinking and I know how it sounds. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
That's why I didn't come clean at the time. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:33 | |
But I never... I mean we just had an argument, that's all. It didn't get physical. | 0:16:33 | 0:16:37 | |
-Did she give you any reason for saying no? -That's what made me so angry. She wouldn't say. | 0:16:37 | 0:16:43 | |
-I honestly thought it was what she wanted. -What happened next? -She left. | 0:16:43 | 0:16:47 | |
I stayed in the room and drank the rest of the champagne and passed out on the bed. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:52 | |
The next morning I woke up with a hangover and a desperate need to speak to her. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
I went straight round to the house. You know the rest. | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
There are no witnesses, I assume. | 0:16:58 | 0:17:00 | |
Well, no. | 0:17:00 | 0:17:02 | |
I appreciate I should have said something at the time, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
but Sir Kenneth was upset enough without me giving him the details of my plans to deflower his daughter. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:10 | |
Hey, you're back. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
Yes. Hi, I'm Amy. Greg's wife. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
They're from the police. They're looking into the Linden-Warner kidnap again. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:20 | |
Oh, God. Barbara? | 0:17:20 | 0:17:24 | |
-Wow, that's a blast from the past. -You knew her? | 0:17:25 | 0:17:29 | |
-Oh, we were debs together that year. -Were you close? | 0:17:29 | 0:17:33 | |
You know how you are at that age. Friends with everyone you meet. | 0:17:33 | 0:17:37 | |
-Did Barbara know about you two? -Oh, no... -Not then. -It was at least a year after Barbara went missing | 0:17:37 | 0:17:43 | |
before we even saw each other again. | 0:17:43 | 0:17:45 | |
We bumped into each other at one of the post-Season weddings. You were not that interested, even then. | 0:17:45 | 0:17:50 | |
She took some wooing, this one. But I wore down her resistance. | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
-You mean you cheated. -How do you mean, cheated? | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
Oh, well there were so many weddings that summer. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
But, I seemed to be placed next to Greg at every single one. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:04 | |
It was only later that I found out he'd been phoning the brides | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
and asking them to alter the seating plans. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
-Nobody on the staff would have been involved. -You can't be sure of that. You'd had threats. | 0:18:12 | 0:18:16 | |
We had security in place. Everybody did back then. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
What sort of security? | 0:18:19 | 0:18:21 | |
Just the usual things, being vigilant. | 0:18:21 | 0:18:23 | |
Packages coming into the building were checked. Any cars parked near the building. | 0:18:23 | 0:18:27 | |
Anyone who worked here or at the house was subject to a security check. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:31 | |
But your sister was still abducted. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
We didn't have personal security, bodyguards or anything like that. | 0:18:33 | 0:18:37 | |
Dad wanted us to have as normal a life as possible. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
He thought that if we let those people have an impact, change things, then they'd have won. | 0:18:42 | 0:18:47 | |
Apart from your parents, who else would have known Barbara's comings and goings? | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
Our driver, Keith. But didn't have a schedule as such. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:55 | |
He was just told where to go as and when he was needed. Usually Miss Jones would coordinate that. | 0:18:55 | 0:19:00 | |
-Miss Jones? -Dad's secretary. She kept the diaries, opened the mail. | 0:19:00 | 0:19:04 | |
-It would be good to speak to her. -She retired 25 years ago. | 0:19:04 | 0:19:08 | |
I shouldn't think she still has all her chairs under the table. That is if she is still with us. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:13 | |
I don't think we even have an up to date address for her. | 0:19:13 | 0:19:17 | |
And you came to work with your father after the kidnap? | 0:19:17 | 0:19:20 | |
He'd lost all interest in the business. The company wasn't in serious trouble, | 0:19:20 | 0:19:24 | |
but it was on the edge. The bad publicity had knocked the share price | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
so I stepped in to protect him and the company from any sharks that might have been circling. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:32 | |
-And when he died you took over as managing director? -It's what he would have wanted. | 0:19:32 | 0:19:36 | |
So, is that how you become head of an international arms manufacturer? I mean, it's that easy? | 0:19:36 | 0:19:42 | |
It's not quite that simple. | 0:19:42 | 0:19:44 | |
Well, do you need any qualifications? | 0:19:44 | 0:19:45 | |
No. | 0:19:45 | 0:19:47 | |
It's a hell of a career trajectory then, isn't it? Two years to become Managing Director. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:52 | |
-I worked very hard for it, it's not an easy life. -I'm not suggesting otherwise. | 0:19:52 | 0:19:56 | |
-Vicky will show you out. -Thank you. | 0:20:00 | 0:20:02 | |
-I'm going to make that conference call now. No interruptions, please. -No problem, Michael. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:08 | |
-If you gentleman are ready I'll take you downstairs. -Oh, um, if you could just give us that address? | 0:20:08 | 0:20:13 | |
I'm sorry? | 0:20:13 | 0:20:14 | |
-Oh, he forgot to mention it, didn't he? -Mr Linden-Warner was going to give us an address for Miss Jones? | 0:20:14 | 0:20:19 | |
Used to be his father's secretary? | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
-First name? -He didn't say. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
I can't disturb him. Why don't I ask him later and email it to you? | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
-Christmas card list! He said it would be on that. -That's right. | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
You wouldn't have a quick search for us, would you? | 0:20:34 | 0:20:37 | |
KNOCKING | 0:20:40 | 0:20:43 | |
Yes? | 0:20:46 | 0:20:48 | |
-Miss Jones? -Can I help you? | 0:20:48 | 0:20:51 | |
How long did you work for Linden-Warner Industries? | 0:20:51 | 0:20:55 | |
22 years and 4 months. My last duties were organising Sir Kenneth's funeral. | 0:20:55 | 0:21:01 | |
And then you retired? | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
I decided it was time to leave. | 0:21:05 | 0:21:07 | |
Michael says you knew everything that was going on. In the company and with the family. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
And he's right, I was secretary to the MD. It was my job | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
to keep a close eye on every aspect of his work. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:20 | |
To anticipate his needs. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
Quite a job description. So there was a lot of responsibility? | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
Which I took very seriously. | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
Sir Kenneth knew he could trust me implicitly. In all the time I worked there I only took three days off. | 0:21:28 | 0:21:34 | |
And that was when my mother died. I gave my all. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:38 | |
And what did you get back in return? | 0:21:38 | 0:21:40 | |
-I don't understand the question. -Well, don't they say secretaries are neither well-paid or well-treated? | 0:21:41 | 0:21:48 | |
Sir Kenneth treated me with nothing but respect. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
And as for the money, I would have been happy to work for him for half my salary. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:56 | |
Did you know anything about the threats that had been made against the company? | 0:21:56 | 0:22:01 | |
I opened most of them. | 0:22:01 | 0:22:02 | |
Badly spelt, full of foul language. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:04 | |
When the threats became more specific it was me who called in the police. | 0:22:04 | 0:22:08 | |
Were there any threats made against the children? | 0:22:08 | 0:22:10 | |
No, no, no, no it was always Sir Kenneth. It hardly effected Barbara and Michael, | 0:22:10 | 0:22:16 | |
-they lead perfectly normal lives. -Normal for children of a multi-millionaire. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
-They weren't spoiled. Barbara was a lovely girl. -And Michael? | 0:22:21 | 0:22:27 | |
-Michael was...Michael. -What does that mean? | 0:22:27 | 0:22:32 | |
Nothing. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:33 | |
I hear he's doing very well these days. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
What do you think she was implying? | 0:22:40 | 0:22:41 | |
Michael Linden-Warner wouldn't be the first little rich boy to get himself into trouble. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:46 | |
-Which explains why he was so reluctant for us to speak with Miss Jones. -Thank you. | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
-She's no dodderer. -Mind like a steel trap. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:53 | |
Well, see if he's got a record. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:55 | |
But other than that, security threats were just part of the Linden-Warner way of life. | 0:22:55 | 0:23:00 | |
They're still not that popular as a company. They had the windows put in during the G20 protests. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:06 | |
They were taken to court by a family. | 0:23:06 | 0:23:09 | |
One of their drivers was killed delivering a shipment to Liverpool Docks back in 1984. | 0:23:09 | 0:23:15 | |
By terrorists? | 0:23:15 | 0:23:16 | |
It was a robbery, but who nicks a lorry load of guns and grenades? | 0:23:16 | 0:23:19 | |
-Are we looking for a multitude of suspects? -I wouldn't think so. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
Peace campaigners don't usually result to kidnap and murder. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
It doesn't quite fit the image. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:27 | |
No. But we know whose image it does fit! | 0:23:27 | 0:23:32 | |
Yes, Gerry. But like I said, open mind. | 0:23:32 | 0:23:34 | |
Brian's found some information I think we should chase up. | 0:23:36 | 0:23:41 | |
-It seems Michael Linden-Warner was a bit of a wild child. He's got some previous. -What for? | 0:23:41 | 0:23:45 | |
Nothing very original. possession, drunk and disorderly. | 0:23:45 | 0:23:48 | |
But there's one highlight. An affray. he was in the Wellington Pub riot. | 0:23:48 | 0:23:52 | |
Well, well, well. | 0:23:52 | 0:23:54 | |
-Oh, by the way, are you going? -Going where? -That reunion. | 0:23:55 | 0:23:59 | |
Oh, I don't know, I hadn't thought about it. | 0:23:59 | 0:24:03 | |
'I wasn't part of the riot.' | 0:24:04 | 0:24:06 | |
I just happened to be in the pub when it happened. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:08 | |
One minute I'm having a drink, the next I'm in a police van. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
-You'd just gone there for a drink? -Yes. | 0:24:11 | 0:24:13 | |
Kilburn doesn't strike me as being your natural stamping ground. | 0:24:13 | 0:24:18 | |
-Do you think I should have been on Sloane Square or in Kensington? -It's not all that big an assumption. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:23 | |
You'd just turned 20. People that age usually hang about with schoolmates. | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
Maybe I preferred a different crowd at that time. | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
The Kilburn riot wasn't the first time you'd been in a cell for a public order offence. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:33 | |
-What was going on? -What do you think? Youthful rebellion. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:37 | |
I wasn't the first 20-year-old to have a lost summer. | 0:24:37 | 0:24:40 | |
-And who were you rebelling against? Your father? -I suppose. | 0:24:40 | 0:24:43 | |
How did he react to your criminal career? | 0:24:43 | 0:24:45 | |
He was unhappy about it. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:48 | |
Unhappy enough to throw you out of the house? | 0:24:48 | 0:24:50 | |
When you were arrested you gave your address as a squat in Camden, not Holland Park. | 0:24:50 | 0:24:54 | |
Things came to a head. I moved out and Dad cut me off financially until I came to my senses. | 0:24:59 | 0:25:04 | |
So, how did you hear about the kidnap? | 0:25:04 | 0:25:06 | |
-Miss Jones, she came to find me. And I came straight back home. I knew my parents would need me. -Of course. | 0:25:06 | 0:25:12 | |
It put everything in perspective. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
Yes, I was a screw-up, but I was there when it mattered. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
It's not enough to bring him in. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:23 | |
But you can't really blame him for wanting to rebel against his parents. Wasn't exactly the family favourite. | 0:25:25 | 0:25:31 | |
Not while Barbara still drew breath. | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
Oh, OK. No, no, no we're just leaving, yeah fine, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:39 | |
see you in the morning, goodnight. | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
-Well? -She'll brief us tomorrow. -Right, better be off home then. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:46 | |
-Doing anything special tonight? -Yeah. Hiding. | 0:25:46 | 0:25:49 | |
It's Esther's turn to have her stitch and bitch group at our house. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:53 | |
-Stitch and what? -They all sit round and knit and gossip. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
So, you wouldn't be averse to a night out then? | 0:25:56 | 0:25:59 | |
Where are we going? | 0:25:59 | 0:26:01 | |
Oh, Gerry. You do know how to spoil a girl. | 0:26:03 | 0:26:07 | |
I can't imagine why you're still single. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:09 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:26:09 | 0:26:13 | |
Our slogan, "Bringing Communities Together", is our watch word for the future. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:20 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:26:20 | 0:26:22 | |
-Now some people will tell you that we should forget the past. -Yeah, people like him. | 0:26:25 | 0:26:29 | |
Pretend it never happened. But those who don't learn from their history are doomed to repeat it. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:35 | |
-That's original. -It won't be us that have to repeat it. It'll be our kids. | 0:26:35 | 0:26:39 | |
-If I've got to be here, let me listen to what he's saying. -It's not too late for the next generation. | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
If I have anything to do with it, they'll have better role models than I had. | 0:26:43 | 0:26:47 | |
Better teachers, better fathers. | 0:26:47 | 0:26:52 | |
Not men who are corrupted by injustice and violence. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
And I know it's too late for me. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
I am one of those men because of what I've seen and what I've done. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:02 | |
But that does not mean I can't work towards that better future. | 0:27:02 | 0:27:07 | |
And I promise you, all of you, that I will. | 0:27:07 | 0:27:10 | |
APPLAUSE | 0:27:10 | 0:27:14 | |
-Come on. Let's go. -No, doesn't it piss you off? Blokes like that going on like they're heroes. | 0:27:23 | 0:27:28 | |
That's not what he was saying. In fact I think he was saying quite the opposite. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:32 | |
That's not what I heard. | 0:27:32 | 0:27:34 | |
-That's because you couldn't quite hear him over your preconceptions. -Yeah, but that's the problem, innit? | 0:27:34 | 0:27:39 | |
He could be preaching the gospel, but it wouldn't mean anything because I know what he's done in the past. | 0:27:39 | 0:27:45 | |
I mean how can you give money to a man like that? | 0:27:45 | 0:27:47 | |
You'd be surprised. I've got friends with deep pockets all over this city. | 0:27:47 | 0:27:51 | |
You're not even up for election in London. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
There are Irishmen scattered across the globe, but they never forget home. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:59 | |
-Don't worry, I never expect any support from the boys in blue. -How did you know? | 0:27:59 | 0:28:03 | |
I've spent enough time in the company of the police to know one when I see one. | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
Checking up on me, were you boys? | 0:28:07 | 0:28:09 | |
Whatever you want to know, just ask. | 0:28:09 | 0:28:12 | |
OK, how well do you know Michael Linden-Warner? | 0:28:12 | 0:28:16 | |
-I don't. Well, I know of him. -So you're saying you're never met him? Not even in Kilburn for instance? | 0:28:16 | 0:28:22 | |
As I said, I don't know the man. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:26 | |
Anyway, thanks for coming. Perhaps you'd like to take a leaflet with you. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:30 | |
-You know what you can do... -Come on, Gerry. | 0:28:30 | 0:28:32 | |
Esther's lot should be packing away their needles by now. Home, James! | 0:28:36 | 0:28:42 | |
Here, how do you find out who's been making donations to a politician? | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
Well, anything over five grand has to be registered with the Electoral Commission. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:51 | |
Really? In that case I think I'm going back to the office for a bit. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
Well, how long are you going to be there? | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
-I don't know. -You'll drop me home first, won't you? | 0:28:57 | 0:29:00 | |
Oh, leave off, you live in the opposite direction! Look, there's a tube station down the road. | 0:29:00 | 0:29:05 | |
I don't do tubes! | 0:29:05 | 0:29:08 | |
Well, get a bus, number 29. | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
Excuse me. | 0:29:14 | 0:29:15 | |
-Good evening. -Good evening. | 0:29:15 | 0:29:17 | |
Morning. | 0:30:15 | 0:30:16 | |
I told you! I knew that slimy sod hadn't reformed. | 0:30:16 | 0:30:19 | |
Why do I feel like I've just walked in halfway through a conversation? | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
Last night, Brian and I went to see Fintan make one of his little speeches. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:27 | |
-Why? -For the record, I was duped into going. | 0:30:27 | 0:30:30 | |
And coming home by public flamin' transport. | 0:30:30 | 0:30:33 | |
-I wanted to see if I could find anything that linked him with Michael. -And did you? | 0:30:33 | 0:30:37 | |
Last month, Fintan's campaign received a cheque for £20,000 from one Michael Linden-Warner. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:43 | |
And that's not all. I checked Michael's address in Camden with Fintan's known addresses | 0:30:43 | 0:30:47 | |
at the time of the kidnap. | 0:30:47 | 0:30:49 | |
-You are kidding me? -No, they were squat mates in Camden. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:52 | |
-Good, we're getting there. -Well, maybe I can put us over the top. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:56 | |
That second note, I thought I recognised the typeface. | 0:30:56 | 0:31:01 | |
There you go, the Camden Gazette. | 0:31:02 | 0:31:05 | |
Well, well, well. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
-We met in a pub in Kilburn. -That would be The Duke of Wellington? | 0:31:08 | 0:31:13 | |
Yes. I was there to buy dope. Fintan came round making a collection. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:17 | |
For the boys? | 0:31:17 | 0:31:18 | |
I thought it was hilarious. Kenneth Linden-Warner's son being asked to contribute | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
to the people who wanted him dead. | 0:31:22 | 0:31:24 | |
I gave him fifty quid. That's my first mistake. | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
-Why was that? -It marked me out as a rich kid. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:31 | |
-Soon I was Fintan's new best friend. -Must have come as a blow to him when your dad stopped bank-rolling you. | 0:31:31 | 0:31:36 | |
-It didn't go down very well. -Is that when you planned to kidnap Barbara? | 0:31:36 | 0:31:40 | |
No, no! I didn't know she was missing until Miss Jones turned up. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:45 | |
-And how did you feel when she did? -Upset. Frightened for my sister. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
But it gave you the chance to get back in with your family. The big returning hero. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:55 | |
-What was the plan? Get Fintan to release her once got your feet under the table? -No. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
Something went wrong, didn't it? Did Fintan kill her? | 0:31:59 | 0:32:01 | |
No! I'm telling you I didn't take her. | 0:32:01 | 0:32:04 | |
-It was nothing to do with me. -What about MacEntee? | 0:32:04 | 0:32:08 | |
When you heard what the note said about a free Ireland, | 0:32:08 | 0:32:11 | |
didn't you think your new best mate might just be involved? | 0:32:11 | 0:32:14 | |
He promised me he had nothing to do with the kidnap, | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
but he said he might be able to find out who did. If he asked around his contacts. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:22 | |
-And? -He told me that he spoke to someone high up in the Republican Front. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:27 | |
Another terrorist cell had Barbara, but they didn't want to hurt her. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:30 | |
-They just wanted to give my dad a scare. -And you believed him? | 0:32:30 | 0:32:34 | |
I was young, I was naive. | 0:32:34 | 0:32:36 | |
The one thing Fintan can do is tell a good story. He's made a career out of it. | 0:32:36 | 0:32:40 | |
But that's all it was in the end. Nothing but talk. And I'm... | 0:32:41 | 0:32:46 | |
I didn't realise until it was too late, until... | 0:32:47 | 0:32:53 | |
-Fintan had talked me into his big idea. -Which was? | 0:32:53 | 0:32:56 | |
He told me the other cell had no intention for asking for a ransom. | 0:32:56 | 0:33:00 | |
He thought it was a missed opportunity, a chance to make money out of my father. | 0:33:00 | 0:33:05 | |
Teach him a lesson for cutting me off. Well, I was all for that. | 0:33:05 | 0:33:10 | |
So you and he wrote the second note? | 0:33:10 | 0:33:12 | |
I told him how much money dad had at home in the safe. | 0:33:12 | 0:33:16 | |
How much he could get at short notice without going to the bank and alerting anyone. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:22 | |
And then I went home and played the prodigal son. | 0:33:22 | 0:33:26 | |
And then you selflessly volunteered to make the money drop. Where did you really take the cash? | 0:33:26 | 0:33:31 | |
Straight to the Duke of Wellington. | 0:33:31 | 0:33:33 | |
What was supposed to happen next? | 0:33:34 | 0:33:37 | |
They were...they were supposed to let Barbara go. | 0:33:37 | 0:33:42 | |
Fintan said it was all arranged. | 0:33:43 | 0:33:45 | |
But when... | 0:33:48 | 0:33:50 | |
When Dad came home empty-handed... | 0:33:55 | 0:33:58 | |
Suddenly I couldn't get hold of Fintan. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:03 | |
He wasn't at the squat or at the pub. | 0:34:03 | 0:34:06 | |
My parents were falling apart and by that time the police were involved. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:12 | |
And the press. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:13 | |
Eventually, the penny dropped, I realised I'd been used. | 0:34:14 | 0:34:17 | |
But then the Republican Front claimed responsibility. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
I've told you, the RF didn't really exist. | 0:34:21 | 0:34:23 | |
Fintan had no more idea about where Barbara was than I did. | 0:34:23 | 0:34:27 | |
He was just using Barbara to make his name. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:29 | |
-But I couldn't tell anyone. -No, not without implicating yourself. | 0:34:30 | 0:34:34 | |
But I didn't know anything. | 0:34:34 | 0:34:35 | |
Not about a kidnap. I had no idea who'd really taken Barbara. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:40 | |
By that time you were back in the fold. Daddy's brave boy. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:44 | |
-What about Fintan? -I was all his birthdays come at once. | 0:34:44 | 0:34:48 | |
-I could never say no to him. He knew too much about me. -He blackmailed you? | 0:34:48 | 0:34:51 | |
No, he was never as blunt, but yeah. | 0:34:51 | 0:34:53 | |
Over the years, he'd turn up every now and again | 0:34:53 | 0:34:56 | |
with his sweaty hand out. | 0:34:56 | 0:34:57 | |
You could have said no. | 0:34:57 | 0:34:59 | |
I did. Six weeks ago. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:02 | |
The next thing I know he's talking about Barbara in an interview. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:06 | |
You know the rest. | 0:35:08 | 0:35:09 | |
Any contribution that Michael Linden-Warner, or any other donor for that matter, | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
makes to my campaign is entirely voluntary and without obligation on my part. | 0:35:19 | 0:35:23 | |
It's all registered in the Electoral Commission, and you're welcome to look at my accounts at your leisure. | 0:35:25 | 0:35:30 | |
Nothing. Not a flicker. He knows we've got nothing to take to the CPS except Michael's word against his. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:38 | |
And a load of circumstantial evidence. Nothing concrete. | 0:35:38 | 0:35:41 | |
And if we're to believe Michael's version, then we still don't know who actually took Barbara. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:45 | |
So where does that leave us? Back to square one? | 0:35:45 | 0:35:48 | |
Well, it would explain why the two notes were so different. | 0:35:48 | 0:35:51 | |
They were from two different people and I've identified the typefaces. | 0:35:51 | 0:35:56 | |
Fintan and Michael's were cobbled together in a squat from the Camden Gazette and the NME. | 0:35:56 | 0:36:01 | |
-And the other? -Daily Telegraph. | 0:36:01 | 0:36:03 | |
Well, I can't see that being regular reading in a squat. | 0:36:03 | 0:36:06 | |
If we are looking at two different crimes, thinking about the kidnap, | 0:36:06 | 0:36:10 | |
there was no, no ransom demand, no claim of responsibility from whoever wrote the first note. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:15 | |
And I'm assuming that they are the ones that actually took her. | 0:36:15 | 0:36:18 | |
Unless she was already dead. | 0:36:18 | 0:36:22 | |
Maybe we're looking at this the wrong way round. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
Not a kidnap leading to a murder, but a murder leading to a kidnap. | 0:36:24 | 0:36:26 | |
And the Irish connection was just to distract people. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
Yeah, what was that you said about terrified people? | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
Terrified people usually make bad decisions. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:35 | |
So while everyone rushes about doing their best headless chicken act, | 0:36:35 | 0:36:39 | |
someone else is actually getting away with murder. | 0:36:39 | 0:36:41 | |
And when Michael and Fintan interfered, they were home free. Yeah, what do we think? | 0:36:41 | 0:36:47 | |
It answers all my questions. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:49 | |
Raises a few more. | 0:36:49 | 0:36:51 | |
Why would anyone want to kill an 18-year-old who everyone thought was sweetness and light? | 0:36:51 | 0:36:57 | |
What about the bloke who she'd just knocked back? | 0:36:57 | 0:37:00 | |
-I mean Greg admitted that he was alone with her. -Opportunity. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:02 | |
Well, he was a bit pissed. | 0:37:02 | 0:37:04 | |
Which would dull the senses and quicken the temper. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:08 | |
-And she totally rejected him. -Motive. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:11 | |
OK, let's forget for a moment that this happened in a flashy hotel room and they were drinking champagne. | 0:37:11 | 0:37:18 | |
It is potentially a case of domestic violence. | 0:37:18 | 0:37:19 | |
Because if this had happened in a council flat and they'd been | 0:37:19 | 0:37:22 | |
knocking back cider, we'd be looking for a history of domestic abuse. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:25 | |
-Well, has he lashed out on any woman before? -No, nothing on record. | 0:37:25 | 0:37:29 | |
No, but he doesn't take no for an answer, does he, where women are concerned. Look at the wife. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:34 | |
He stalked her from wedding to wedding. | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
-It did seem a bit obsessive. -We should have a word with that friend, what's her name? | 0:37:37 | 0:37:41 | |
-The one she was supposed to go home with that night. -Kate Smythe. | 0:37:41 | 0:37:43 | |
Yeah, and you go back and talk to Lady Elizabeth and see if she noticed anything. | 0:37:43 | 0:37:46 | |
Right. | 0:37:46 | 0:37:48 | |
Can I help you? | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
I think you should know we don't do lessons or rides for tourists. We're not that kind of stables. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:09 | |
We're not here for the horses. Kate Smythe? | 0:38:09 | 0:38:12 | |
Barbara and I were friends from school. | 0:38:15 | 0:38:18 | |
She really was a lovely thing. | 0:38:18 | 0:38:21 | |
She took to all the balls and what have you far better than I did, but she never left me in a corner. | 0:38:21 | 0:38:28 | |
She always made sure I was OK. | 0:38:28 | 0:38:30 | |
Introduced me to people. | 0:38:30 | 0:38:31 | |
I must have been a total pain in the arse. | 0:38:31 | 0:38:34 | |
So, what did you think when she didn't come home with you that night as planned? | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
Well, it was certainly odd. But I had seen her earlier | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
with Greg, so I just assumed that he'd finally got his way. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:46 | |
His wicked way, you mean? | 0:38:46 | 0:38:47 | |
Well, yes. These functions the girls were looking for future husbands. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:52 | |
The boys were looking to get their legs over the girls. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
Of course, some of the girls were more than happy to oblige. | 0:38:55 | 0:38:57 | |
What about Barbara? | 0:38:57 | 0:38:59 | |
-She wasn't one of them. -Did that cause arguments with Greg? | 0:38:59 | 0:39:02 | |
Oh, endless arguments. | 0:39:02 | 0:39:05 | |
The hours that Amy and I spent in the loos talking it to death. | 0:39:05 | 0:39:08 | |
-Amy Coulthard? -Mmm, Amy Hampton these days. | 0:39:08 | 0:39:13 | |
That was a turn out for the books, Amy and Greg. | 0:39:13 | 0:39:16 | |
-Was it? -Amy was always dead set against Greg. | 0:39:16 | 0:39:19 | |
Never a good word for him while he was with Barbara. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:22 | |
-Two years later they're married. -But they weren't interested in each other that summer? | 0:39:22 | 0:39:26 | |
No, like I say, never a good word. | 0:39:26 | 0:39:27 | |
What was Amy's problem with Greg? | 0:39:27 | 0:39:30 | |
Your guess is as good as mine. | 0:39:30 | 0:39:32 | |
But in the end she made it pretty clear that it was either her or Greg. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
Barbara couldn't be friends with both of them. Barbara chose Greg. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:40 | |
-How did Amy react? -She caused a scene. | 0:39:40 | 0:39:43 | |
It was at a party that the Linden-Warners had thrown. | 0:39:43 | 0:39:47 | |
Everything was going fine, but then there were raised voices | 0:39:47 | 0:39:52 | |
and Amy storming down the stairs and out into the night. | 0:39:52 | 0:39:55 | |
Next down was Barbara. It was quite obvious that they'd had it out. | 0:39:55 | 0:39:59 | |
And how were they with each other after that? | 0:39:59 | 0:40:02 | |
Well, Amy kept her distance. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:06 | |
Even in that awful time after Barbara went missing. | 0:40:06 | 0:40:09 | |
The rest of us waited, hoped, prayed. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:15 | |
Amy Coulthard went to Switzerland. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
To a finishing school, for God's sake. | 0:40:18 | 0:40:20 | |
-Finishing school, I thought they went out with the ark? -Rather. | 0:40:20 | 0:40:24 | |
Even in the '80s they were considered archaic. Still, she only lasted a fortnight. | 0:40:24 | 0:40:28 | |
Well, how long should she have been there then? | 0:40:28 | 0:40:30 | |
Oh, it takes a year to properly finish off a young lady. | 0:40:30 | 0:40:34 | |
There's a whole term on pearl necklaces from what I hear. | 0:40:34 | 0:40:37 | |
Gregory? He was always an utter gentleman. | 0:40:39 | 0:40:44 | |
I'm not quite sure what you're saying. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:46 | |
Well, it's just a line of enquiry at this point. | 0:40:46 | 0:40:49 | |
But if there was any change in Barbara that summer... | 0:40:49 | 0:40:51 | |
-What sort of change? -Well, did she become withdrawn? | 0:40:51 | 0:40:57 | |
-Nervous? Evasive? -Mr Halford, she was a teenage girl. | 0:40:57 | 0:41:00 | |
She could be all those things and then an hour later she could be walking on air. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:04 | |
So there was nothing to cause you any concern? | 0:41:04 | 0:41:07 | |
No, the opposite. | 0:41:07 | 0:41:10 | |
That summer my daughter absolutely blossomed. | 0:41:10 | 0:41:14 | |
She'd always been sweet-natured, but over the last couple of months before... | 0:41:15 | 0:41:19 | |
She was so happy, she glowed. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:24 | |
And was Gregory the reason for that? | 0:41:24 | 0:41:26 | |
What else could it have been? She was in love. | 0:41:26 | 0:41:29 | |
Then why did she turn down his proposal? | 0:41:29 | 0:41:32 | |
-Greg had proposed to her? -And she said no. | 0:41:32 | 0:41:36 | |
-That's what they argued about, Lady Elizabeth. -That can't possibly be right. | 0:41:36 | 0:41:41 | |
I told you. Greg is a gentleman. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:43 | |
He wouldn't have dreamt of proposing before speaking to me or Sir Kenneth. He asked our permission. | 0:41:43 | 0:41:48 | |
So, you knew that he'd proposed? | 0:41:48 | 0:41:50 | |
No! | 0:41:50 | 0:41:53 | |
I assumed he hadn't had the opportunity. | 0:41:53 | 0:41:57 | |
They'd argued before he could pop the question. | 0:41:57 | 0:42:00 | |
I thought she'd sabotaged him. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:03 | |
I think you're going to have to explain that. | 0:42:05 | 0:42:07 | |
That night, I told her to expect his proposal. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:13 | |
She panicked. It was too soon, she wasn't sure. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:19 | |
I had to speak to her in quite strong terms. | 0:42:21 | 0:42:25 | |
You argued with her? | 0:42:25 | 0:42:27 | |
She just wouldn't listen to me. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:29 | |
I told her how lucky she was Greg had chosen her. She said she didn't care. She didn't choose him. | 0:42:29 | 0:42:34 | |
Did she say why? | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
No! She was being ridiculous. She didn't even have a reason. | 0:42:36 | 0:42:38 | |
At least | 0:42:38 | 0:42:40 | |
not one she could tell me. | 0:42:40 | 0:42:42 | |
Did you feel she was holding something back from you? | 0:42:42 | 0:42:46 | |
I asked her what was wrong with him | 0:42:46 | 0:42:48 | |
and she refused to say. | 0:42:50 | 0:42:52 | |
You don't think Greg was involved? | 0:42:58 | 0:43:01 | |
Is that what this is all about? | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
There are several lines of enquiry. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:09 | |
I sent her to him. | 0:43:11 | 0:43:14 | |
I shouted at her! | 0:43:14 | 0:43:15 | |
My last words to her before... | 0:43:18 | 0:43:20 | |
I told her | 0:43:23 | 0:43:25 | |
not come home without his ring on her finger. | 0:43:25 | 0:43:30 | |
Back again? How can we help this time? | 0:43:41 | 0:43:44 | |
We're here to speak to your husband. | 0:43:44 | 0:43:46 | |
Yeah, we want talk to you about the night Barbara went missing. | 0:43:46 | 0:43:50 | |
-Now would you rather do that on your own? -Whatever you have to say you can say in front of my wife. | 0:43:50 | 0:43:55 | |
OK, so how did you feel when she turned your proposal down? | 0:43:55 | 0:43:58 | |
Well, how do you think? | 0:43:58 | 0:44:00 | |
Rejected, hurt, angry. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
Of course, you'd done all that hard work. | 0:44:02 | 0:44:05 | |
Well, I'd booked a room and ordered a bottle of champagne. | 0:44:05 | 0:44:07 | |
No, I mean with her parents. | 0:44:07 | 0:44:09 | |
You'd got the go ahead, their blessing. | 0:44:09 | 0:44:11 | |
-I suppose. -Well, it was a done deal, wasn't it? | 0:44:11 | 0:44:14 | |
-Apparently not. -All she had to do was say yes. | 0:44:14 | 0:44:16 | |
One little word and it was all systems go. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:18 | |
-What are you saying? -I'm saying you didn't want to hear her say no, so you decided not to listen. | 0:44:18 | 0:44:25 | |
-What? -You decided you wanted to get what you'd been promised. | 0:44:25 | 0:44:28 | |
-What you thought was rightfully yours. -No! | 0:44:28 | 0:44:31 | |
Look, you wouldn't be the first bloke who'd had a rush of blood to somewhere that wasn't his brain. | 0:44:31 | 0:44:35 | |
I can't believe you are actually saying this. I never. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:39 | |
Why would you think that I had anything to do...? | 0:44:39 | 0:44:42 | |
Greg, you were the last person who saw her alive. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
Didn't you say that you hardly knew Barbara? | 0:44:46 | 0:44:49 | |
-I...I didn't. Not really. -Then you had a lot of nerve asking her to choose between you and Greg. | 0:44:51 | 0:44:56 | |
What? | 0:44:56 | 0:44:57 | |
That's what the row at Barbara's house was all about, and it got pretty heated from what I hear. | 0:44:57 | 0:45:02 | |
And then a couple of weeks later, | 0:45:02 | 0:45:05 | |
Barbara goes missing and you're off to finishing school. | 0:45:05 | 0:45:08 | |
That had been planned for a long time. | 0:45:08 | 0:45:11 | |
I'm sure it had. | 0:45:11 | 0:45:13 | |
But you never got there, did you? I phoned them and asked. | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
-You never even enrolled. -Amy? | 0:45:16 | 0:45:18 | |
So where did you go and what happened to Barbara? | 0:45:18 | 0:45:21 | |
Nothing! | 0:45:25 | 0:45:26 | |
She's probably still alive! | 0:45:26 | 0:45:28 | |
Greg didn't kill her! | 0:45:30 | 0:45:33 | |
I ran away with her. | 0:45:35 | 0:45:37 | |
But you weren't on speaking terms at that point. You'd had the big argument. | 0:45:37 | 0:45:42 | |
It wasn't an argument. | 0:45:42 | 0:45:43 | |
There were raised voices. | 0:45:43 | 0:45:44 | |
Not from us. | 0:45:44 | 0:45:46 | |
From Miss Jones. | 0:45:46 | 0:45:50 | |
She walked in on us. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:52 | |
That's why you wanted her to break up with Greg, | 0:45:52 | 0:45:55 | |
because she wasn't in love with him. | 0:45:55 | 0:45:59 | |
No, she was in love with me. | 0:46:01 | 0:46:03 | |
I was in love with her. | 0:46:03 | 0:46:06 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:46:07 | 0:46:09 | |
You need to understand, Greg. | 0:46:09 | 0:46:12 | |
I'd never felt like that about anyone before. | 0:46:14 | 0:46:17 | |
I loved her. | 0:46:17 | 0:46:20 | |
We just wanted to be together. | 0:46:20 | 0:46:22 | |
So why weren't you? | 0:46:22 | 0:46:25 | |
Because our families would have been so disappointed. | 0:46:25 | 0:46:28 | |
So let down. | 0:46:29 | 0:46:31 | |
Barbara's parents and mine, | 0:46:31 | 0:46:34 | |
they expected so much from us. | 0:46:35 | 0:46:38 | |
They gave us so much. We couldn't hurt them. | 0:46:38 | 0:46:40 | |
But you did. | 0:46:40 | 0:46:43 | |
-Where did you and Barbara go? -Paris. | 0:46:43 | 0:46:49 | |
The first week was fine. | 0:46:49 | 0:46:51 | |
More than fine. | 0:46:51 | 0:46:54 | |
We had a beautiful flat, | 0:46:54 | 0:46:56 | |
we spent all our time together. | 0:46:56 | 0:46:58 | |
So what went wrong? | 0:46:58 | 0:47:00 | |
I didn't want the adventure to end, | 0:47:00 | 0:47:02 | |
but then Barbara started talking about | 0:47:02 | 0:47:06 | |
us getting jobs and settling down. | 0:47:06 | 0:47:10 | |
-I knew that wasn't what I wanted. -So what did you want? | 0:47:12 | 0:47:15 | |
This! | 0:47:17 | 0:47:19 | |
A home, a husband, children. | 0:47:19 | 0:47:23 | |
-Years. -It's true, Greg. | 0:47:23 | 0:47:27 | |
You gave me everything. | 0:47:27 | 0:47:28 | |
-I do love you. -So what did you do? | 0:47:28 | 0:47:31 | |
I wrote Barbara a note | 0:47:36 | 0:47:37 | |
-and got the plane home. -And pretended nothing had happened? | 0:47:40 | 0:47:42 | |
But when I came back there was the whole ransom thing and the police. | 0:47:42 | 0:47:47 | |
-What was I supposed to have done? -Told the truth! | 0:47:48 | 0:47:52 | |
Told the Linden-Warners that their daughter was still alive. | 0:47:52 | 0:47:55 | |
Where is she now? | 0:47:55 | 0:47:57 | |
I don't know. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:00 | |
-Nice work. -Cheers. | 0:48:05 | 0:48:06 | |
We've put a call into the French police, they're going to check their records for a Barbara Linden-Warner. | 0:48:06 | 0:48:12 | |
-Thank you. -Can you imagine how Lady Elizabeth is going react when she finds she's alive? | 0:48:12 | 0:48:16 | |
I'm wondering if there's a paper trail we could get on to, | 0:48:16 | 0:48:18 | |
cos they had a flat ready for them in Paris, didn't they? | 0:48:18 | 0:48:22 | |
How does an 18-year-old organise that? | 0:48:22 | 0:48:25 | |
She doesn't. Not on her own. | 0:48:25 | 0:48:28 | |
I walked in on them kissing. | 0:48:29 | 0:48:31 | |
And it wasn't a friendly kiss. | 0:48:31 | 0:48:34 | |
-I was so angry with them. -Why angry? | 0:48:34 | 0:48:38 | |
Barbara had been given everything and she was just going to throw it away. | 0:48:38 | 0:48:42 | |
She was in love, wasn't she? | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
She was a silly girl who had no idea what she was doing to herself. | 0:48:45 | 0:48:48 | |
-To her family. -I don't quite understand. | 0:48:48 | 0:48:51 | |
No, and that's the problem. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
Nobody would have understood. They would have judged her. | 0:48:54 | 0:48:59 | |
They would have made assumptions about her. | 0:48:59 | 0:49:02 | |
She needed to understand what she was choosing for herself. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:06 | |
I wouldn't have thought that falling for Amy was a choice. | 0:49:06 | 0:49:09 | |
No, but she could have chosen to stay away from her. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:11 | |
You make it sound very simple. | 0:49:11 | 0:49:13 | |
I'm not saying it wouldn't have been hard. | 0:49:14 | 0:49:17 | |
Probably the hardest thing she ever had to do. | 0:49:17 | 0:49:20 | |
But she could have tried. | 0:49:20 | 0:49:22 | |
Those sorts of desires... | 0:49:24 | 0:49:27 | |
-Well, sometimes you just have to ignore them and get on with things. -Is that what you told Barbara? | 0:49:27 | 0:49:32 | |
Yes, and apparently she didn't listen. | 0:49:33 | 0:49:36 | |
Because I found her in my office going through my files. Looking for her passport. | 0:49:36 | 0:49:40 | |
I had control of all the family documents. | 0:49:40 | 0:49:44 | |
Birth certificates, marriage, everything. | 0:49:44 | 0:49:46 | |
She told me she was going to go away. | 0:49:48 | 0:49:50 | |
And she wanted me to pretend I didn't know what she was going to do. I couldn't do that. | 0:49:51 | 0:49:57 | |
-Did you tell anyone? -No. | 0:49:57 | 0:49:59 | |
No. I helped her. | 0:50:01 | 0:50:04 | |
Whatever I thought of her choices, my duty was to her father. He would have wanted her safe. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:09 | |
I booked her onto a ferry, I organised her accommodation. | 0:50:09 | 0:50:13 | |
And I arranged for Amy to follow. | 0:50:13 | 0:50:15 | |
And the kidnap letter? The first one? | 0:50:15 | 0:50:17 | |
That was Barbara's idea. | 0:50:19 | 0:50:21 | |
She knew the Irish thing would put everyone off the scent. | 0:50:21 | 0:50:24 | |
She was a clever girl. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:26 | |
And what about when Amy came back? It was all over between them. | 0:50:29 | 0:50:32 | |
I wrote to Barbara and told her to come home, | 0:50:32 | 0:50:35 | |
but she was too ashamed to face her father, | 0:50:35 | 0:50:39 | |
and then when he was seriously ill, I knew she wouldn't be able to stay away. | 0:50:39 | 0:50:43 | |
-So, I wrote to her again. -But she still didn't... | 0:50:43 | 0:50:45 | |
She was on her way to the airport. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:51 | |
The taxi she was in was involved in a collision. | 0:50:51 | 0:50:53 | |
She died on her way to the hospital. | 0:50:55 | 0:50:57 | |
The thing is, | 0:50:59 | 0:51:00 | |
she wouldn't have made it anyway, | 0:51:00 | 0:51:03 | |
that was the night Sir Kenneth died too. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
So what happened to her? | 0:51:05 | 0:51:08 | |
I was registered as her next of kin. | 0:51:11 | 0:51:13 | |
I had her birth certificate. | 0:51:13 | 0:51:16 | |
I had her cremated and I brought her home. | 0:51:17 | 0:51:20 | |
Even then. When she was dead! | 0:51:27 | 0:51:30 | |
Didn't you think you ought to tell someone?! Tell her family?! | 0:51:30 | 0:51:34 | |
After all they'd been through, you think that would have helped?! | 0:51:34 | 0:51:37 | |
I think you're making excuses, Miss Jones. | 0:51:37 | 0:51:40 | |
You're not protecting them, you're protecting yourself. | 0:51:40 | 0:51:42 | |
Absolutely not! | 0:51:42 | 0:51:45 | |
I gave everything to that family, that firm. | 0:51:45 | 0:51:49 | |
The things I denied myself... | 0:51:49 | 0:51:51 | |
The same things you couldn't deny Amy and Barbara? | 0:51:51 | 0:51:54 | |
You didn't tell the truth because there would have been a lot of questions. | 0:51:56 | 0:52:01 | |
Maybe some questions you've avoided all your life? | 0:52:01 | 0:52:04 | |
-Well, we found her. -That's about all we did. | 0:52:10 | 0:52:13 | |
Actually, I think we might have a couple of collars for the Merseyside police. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:17 | |
The scousers? What have they got to do with it? | 0:52:17 | 0:52:19 | |
You remember that robbery at the Liverpool Docks. | 0:52:19 | 0:52:22 | |
Assorted small weapons being shipped by Linden-Warner Industries? October '85? | 0:52:22 | 0:52:27 | |
Where the driver ended up dead? | 0:52:27 | 0:52:29 | |
Yeah, well in his book, Fintan talks about how he proved himself | 0:52:29 | 0:52:31 | |
to the Republican bad boys by getting hold of weapons. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:34 | |
He gave them guns and then he was in. That was in '85. | 0:52:34 | 0:52:37 | |
Yeah, I reckon it was an inside job. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:41 | |
According to the Liverpool boys, the gang knew exactly | 0:52:41 | 0:52:43 | |
which container they wanted out of hundreds on the dock. | 0:52:43 | 0:52:47 | |
-Michael must have set it up for him. -Sounds plausible. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
-Yeah, but even if Michael coughs, it's just his word against Fintan's again. -Not quite. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:55 | |
Fintan also talks in the book about how he went to prison. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:59 | |
He robbed a taxi driver in Belfast at gun point, so I got on to the police over there. | 0:52:59 | 0:53:05 | |
-You have been busy. -Well, they recovered the weapon from a bin near the scene. | 0:53:05 | 0:53:09 | |
It had MacEntee's fingerprints all over it and that's what sent him to the Maze. | 0:53:09 | 0:53:14 | |
Turns out that the serial number on the gun | 0:53:14 | 0:53:18 | |
matched the guns missing from the shipment. | 0:53:18 | 0:53:19 | |
-My mother? -Someone's with her. | 0:53:25 | 0:53:27 | |
Hasn't got much to say for himself at the moment, has he? | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
Here, it's not bad actually. | 0:53:44 | 0:53:47 | |
I might enjoy it now I know it's got a happy ending. | 0:53:49 | 0:53:52 | |
Mr Halford, ma'am. | 0:53:56 | 0:53:58 | |
Lady Elizabeth. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:08 | |
Is that...? | 0:54:08 | 0:54:12 | |
Yes. I'm so sorry. | 0:54:12 | 0:54:13 | |
Why couldn't she just have talked to me? | 0:54:17 | 0:54:20 | |
Why couldn't neither of my children have come to me? | 0:54:20 | 0:54:24 | |
Am I really such a terrible mother, Mr Halford? | 0:54:24 | 0:54:28 | |
Did I deserve to lose both of them? | 0:54:28 | 0:54:31 | |
Nobody deserves that, Lady Elizabeth. | 0:54:31 | 0:54:34 | |
Right, who's up for a curry then? | 0:54:38 | 0:54:40 | |
-Oh, yeah, go on then. -Sorry. Paperwork. | 0:54:40 | 0:54:43 | |
-I might see you later. -OK, ta-ra. | 0:54:43 | 0:54:46 | |
Bye. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
-Bye. -Paperwork? -That's what I said. | 0:54:49 | 0:54:51 | |
-You're not going then? -Leave it, Jack. -Aren't you curious | 0:54:51 | 0:54:54 | |
to see how all your old school mates have turned out? | 0:54:54 | 0:54:57 | |
Not particularly, no. | 0:54:57 | 0:54:59 | |
What about that teacher, Miss, erm... | 0:54:59 | 0:55:02 | |
Harrington. | 0:55:02 | 0:55:04 | |
I'll tell you what, I'll give you a lift and you can have a drink, | 0:55:06 | 0:55:09 | |
you might even enjoy yourself! | 0:55:09 | 0:55:11 | |
Go on then. | 0:55:15 | 0:55:16 | |
Sandra? | 0:55:29 | 0:55:31 | |
Sod it, let's go for a curry! | 0:55:31 | 0:55:34 | |
You're really scared, aren't you? | 0:55:35 | 0:55:37 | |
I am not scared! | 0:55:37 | 0:55:39 | |
You were saying? | 0:55:43 | 0:55:44 | |
All right, I admit it, | 0:55:47 | 0:55:49 | |
school was not the best time for me, OK? Can we go now please? | 0:55:49 | 0:55:53 | |
You know the best way to deal with a bully is to face him, stand up to him, | 0:55:54 | 0:55:59 | |
you should do that now. | 0:55:59 | 0:56:01 | |
That's really good advice, Jack, perhaps you should give it to the girls that were bullied by me. | 0:56:01 | 0:56:05 | |
What? | 0:56:05 | 0:56:07 | |
I was the school bitch. | 0:56:08 | 0:56:10 | |
I was utterly horrendous. | 0:56:10 | 0:56:12 | |
In fact I wouldn't be surprised if they were waiting for me in there with tar and feathers. | 0:56:12 | 0:56:16 | |
Oh, come on Sandra, you're all grown-ups now. | 0:56:16 | 0:56:20 | |
Why don't you go and show them how you've changed, show them who you really are. | 0:56:20 | 0:56:25 | |
Show Miss Harrington. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:27 | |
OK. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:37 | |
-Just... -What? | 0:56:38 | 0:56:40 | |
Just wait for ten minutes just in case. | 0:56:40 | 0:56:45 | |
Ten minutes. | 0:56:47 | 0:56:48 | |
Drive! | 0:57:31 | 0:57:32 | |
-What? -Just drive! | 0:57:32 | 0:57:34 | |
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