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Even coming in here... Someone sees me coming in or out of this place... | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
-We understand. -This is a risk for me. -Yes. -A big risk. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:15 | |
Don't worry, there's a way out at the back, I'll show you later. | 0:00:15 | 0:00:18 | |
-You have information on Edward Chapman's murder... -Eddie. Yeah. | 0:00:18 | 0:00:22 | |
-Go on. -It wasn't another club. | 0:00:22 | 0:00:25 | |
That's what you all think, isn't it? Like a gang war or something. | 0:00:25 | 0:00:28 | |
It's what you lot always think, saves you having to dust off your thinking caps. | 0:00:28 | 0:00:32 | |
The Dartford lot. That's who The Braves think did it. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
-Or that's what they told Reese. -Reese? | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
Reese Chapman. Eddie's son. Two years in April, me and Reese. | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
-And this Reese is a member of The Braves, is he? -He's a prospect. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
Like a trial member. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:49 | |
Eddie was a founder, so Reese has been around that lot | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
since he was a kid. He's been a prospect for two years. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
He held on even after Eddie died, thinks he's making his dad proud... | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
and his mum. | 0:00:59 | 0:01:00 | |
A week tomorrow, he becomes a full member. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
-Initiation. -Initiation. -Yeah, Motorcycle clubs. The initiation for new members. | 0:01:05 | 0:01:10 | |
So what does Reese have to do? | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
He's got to avenge his dad by killing one of the gang who did it. | 0:01:12 | 0:01:15 | |
Except they didn't. It was Marcus York, the president of The Braves. | 0:01:15 | 0:01:19 | |
-He killed Eddie. -How do you know that? -I know. | 0:01:19 | 0:01:22 | |
Eddie Chapman's murder was unsolved, there were no witnesses, | 0:01:24 | 0:01:28 | |
no physical evidence. We can look at the case again if you have any new evidence... | 0:01:28 | 0:01:32 | |
I'm sitting here and I'm telling you, in a week's time, | 0:01:32 | 0:01:35 | |
my boyfriend is going to commit murder. | 0:01:35 | 0:01:37 | |
Now, I can't stop him doing that, but you can. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
# It's all right, it's OK | 0:01:41 | 0:01:43 | |
# Doesn't really matter if you're old and grey | 0:01:43 | 0:01:46 | |
# It's all right, I say it's OK | 0:01:46 | 0:01:49 | |
# Listen to what I say | 0:01:49 | 0:01:52 | |
# It's all right, doing fine | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
# Doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine | 0:01:55 | 0:01:57 | |
# It's all right, I say it's OK | 0:01:57 | 0:02:00 | |
# We're getting to the end of the day. # | 0:02:00 | 0:02:03 | |
Karen and Marcus aren't meant to have started their thing until Eddie was killed. | 0:02:05 | 0:02:09 | |
But I saw them before, in a hotel. | 0:02:09 | 0:02:11 | |
-If it was happening then... -Whoa, whoa. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:13 | |
You've lost us already. Just slow down and start from the beginning. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:16 | |
Can I smoke in here? | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
-No. -Sadly. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:20 | |
OK, so Eddie Chapman and Marcus York were best mates from the year dot. | 0:02:23 | 0:02:29 | |
Eddie left school and joined the army and while he was away, | 0:02:29 | 0:02:32 | |
Marcus got himself in some kind of trouble and ended up inside. | 0:02:32 | 0:02:36 | |
Yeah, wounding with intent. Did five years. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:39 | |
Marcus got out and Eddie came home | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
and that's when they set up The Braves. This is about 25 years ago. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:46 | |
Around the same time, Eddie married Karen and they were together up until Eddie died. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:50 | |
-Reese is their only kid. -Your boyfriend? -Yeah. | 0:02:50 | 0:02:54 | |
So now Karen Chapman and Marcus York are together | 0:02:54 | 0:02:57 | |
and supposedly this happened after Eddie was killed. | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
Marcus was consoling her and it turned into something else. | 0:03:00 | 0:03:02 | |
-But you think they were having an affair while Eddie was still alive? -I saw them. | 0:03:02 | 0:03:07 | |
About a month before Eddie died, I was visiting some friends one evening | 0:03:07 | 0:03:11 | |
who were over from New Zealand. Anyway, we've had a few drinks in the hotel bar | 0:03:11 | 0:03:15 | |
and we get a couple of bottles to take up to their room because you could smoke up there. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
I must have left about one in the morning, I reckon. | 0:03:20 | 0:03:23 | |
As I'm coming out of the room, I hear another door open | 0:03:23 | 0:03:25 | |
further down the corridor and Karen Chapman and Marcus York come out, | 0:03:25 | 0:03:29 | |
all giggly and flirty, you know, like kids. | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
-And it doesn't take much imagination to... -Did they see you? | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
-No. -You sure? -Well, they were going the other way | 0:03:35 | 0:03:37 | |
and I ducked back into the room as soon as I saw them. | 0:03:37 | 0:03:40 | |
-And did you tell anyone? -No. | 0:03:40 | 0:03:44 | |
No! Look if it got out that I even saw them, | 0:03:44 | 0:03:46 | |
let alone told anyone about it... | 0:03:46 | 0:03:48 | |
Those are not two people you want to get on the wrong side of. | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
Even assuming there isn't another explanation for what you saw, | 0:03:51 | 0:03:55 | |
it hardly constitutes evidence in a murder inquiry. | 0:03:55 | 0:03:57 | |
-It's motive. -Stephanie, Eddie Chapman was founder member | 0:03:57 | 0:04:01 | |
of one of the most vicious motorcycle clubs in the UK. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:04 | |
We're really not short of motives for his murder. | 0:04:04 | 0:04:07 | |
I saw him on the night he died. | 0:04:07 | 0:04:09 | |
He'd been in Rotterdam for a few days, sorting out a shipment of bike parts, | 0:04:09 | 0:04:13 | |
and he'd just got back that afternoon. He came over looking for Reese, | 0:04:13 | 0:04:17 | |
but Reese was at some party and wasn't answering his phone. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:20 | |
Eddie was in a terrible state. | 0:04:20 | 0:04:23 | |
Really wound up about something, but he wouldn't tell me what it was. | 0:04:23 | 0:04:27 | |
He kept muttering about loyalty and betrayal. | 0:04:27 | 0:04:30 | |
He knew. | 0:04:30 | 0:04:32 | |
I'm sure he just found out about Karen and Marcus. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
I tried to get him to calm down and talk to me, | 0:04:35 | 0:04:38 | |
but he'd been drinking and he couldn't settle. | 0:04:38 | 0:04:40 | |
I told him he should sit down and wait for Reese to call him back, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
but he was out the door again a few minutes later. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
And that was it. An hour later, they reckon, was when he died. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:52 | |
-And that's it? -Yeah. | 0:04:55 | 0:04:57 | |
-He didn't tell you where he'd come from, or where he was going? -No. | 0:04:57 | 0:05:01 | |
Did he make any reference to his wife having an affair apart from | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
-all that stuff about loyalty and betrayal? -No. | 0:05:04 | 0:05:07 | |
-I've wasted my time. -No, we'll look at the files again. -Yeah. | 0:05:11 | 0:05:15 | |
-Without something specific... -You said there was a back way out of here? -Yeah. | 0:05:15 | 0:05:19 | |
-We will look at the files. -I need a cigarette. | 0:05:19 | 0:05:22 | |
I think my dad knows what happened. | 0:05:30 | 0:05:34 | |
If he gets even a whiff that this comes from me... | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
David Parr. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:40 | |
Runs a motorcycle parts company. | 0:05:40 | 0:05:42 | |
Eddie Chapman was his partner and they were close. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:45 | |
If Eddie was going to talk to anyone about Karen and Marcus, it would have been my dad. | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
-Have you asked him about it? -I have, but he won't discuss it with me. | 0:05:49 | 0:05:53 | |
-Why not? -Because people who have dirt on The Braves don't live very long. | 0:05:53 | 0:05:58 | |
Eddie Chapman's body was found in an alleyway off the Holloway Road | 0:06:04 | 0:06:08 | |
on 21st December, 2009. | 0:06:08 | 0:06:10 | |
He'd been stabbed seven times in the chest and stomach. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:14 | |
Now several passers-by reported that they heard an argument | 0:06:14 | 0:06:18 | |
between two men at around 11pm, | 0:06:18 | 0:06:20 | |
which would have been about the time of his death. | 0:06:20 | 0:06:22 | |
But the area being what it was, | 0:06:22 | 0:06:24 | |
-no-one went to see what was going on. -What about the knife? | 0:06:24 | 0:06:27 | |
According to the pathologist, a flick knife, but it was never found. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:31 | |
Now, Eddie Chapman was a founder member of a motorcycle club | 0:06:31 | 0:06:35 | |
called The Braves. | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
Now we're not talking about a load of fat old geezers | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
on Harleys cruising the country lanes on a Sunday afternoon, | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
this lot are a serious organised crime outfit - drug trafficking, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
protection, murder for hire. You name it. | 0:06:47 | 0:06:50 | |
These gangs are major players all across northern Europe these days, | 0:06:50 | 0:06:54 | |
but there's a lot of inter-gang rivalry. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:56 | |
So the original investigation assumed that Eddie Chapman | 0:06:56 | 0:06:59 | |
had been killed by an outfit called the Dartford Strays. | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
If Stephanie Parr thinks different, why doesn't she tell her boyfriend he's after the wrong people? | 0:07:02 | 0:07:07 | |
-She can't prove it. -Ah. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:10 | |
And even if he believed her, she's worried that he'd confront Marcus York, | 0:07:10 | 0:07:13 | |
which probably wouldn't end well for him. | 0:07:13 | 0:07:15 | |
The "not being able to prove it" is the salient point, isn't it? | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
This girl hasn't got a shred of evidence | 0:07:18 | 0:07:20 | |
-to support these allegations. -We've got a gun to our heads, Jack. | 0:07:20 | 0:07:23 | |
We don't have a gun to our heads, Brian. | 0:07:23 | 0:07:25 | |
If this lad's going to kill someone unless we prove... | 0:07:25 | 0:07:28 | |
-Since when have we been threatened into taking on a case? -We're not being threatened! | 0:07:28 | 0:07:32 | |
There's a pile of unsolved cases over there, | 0:07:32 | 0:07:35 | |
-why is something as flimsy as this jumping the queue?! -If you let me get a word in, I'll explain... | 0:07:35 | 0:07:39 | |
-Welcome to my world, Gerry! -Huh. Marcus York. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
President of The Braves and one of the nastier pieces of work | 0:07:42 | 0:07:46 | |
any of us are ever going to come across. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:48 | |
Now, in the last three decades, he's been pulled for murder, | 0:07:48 | 0:07:51 | |
attempted murder, wounding with intent, assault, you name it, | 0:07:51 | 0:07:54 | |
and every single time, he's walked. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
Either because the witnesses have retracted their statements | 0:07:57 | 0:08:00 | |
or just vanished into thin air. | 0:08:00 | 0:08:02 | |
-Ah! He's on the wish list. -Exactly. The Met have wanted him out of commission for years. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:08 | |
And you think we're going to succeed where they failed on the word of some teenaged girl?! | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
-Probably not, but we'll at least explore the possibility. -Waste of time. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:16 | |
If someone comes to see us, at considerable risk to themselves, | 0:08:16 | 0:08:19 | |
-we're duty-bound to look into the allegations they're making. -Come on! | 0:08:19 | 0:08:23 | |
So, you two go and talk to David Parr, Stephanie's father. | 0:08:23 | 0:08:26 | |
She reckons he knows more about what happened than he's prepared to tell her. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:30 | |
If he won't talk to his own daughter, why will he talk to us? | 0:08:30 | 0:08:32 | |
No reason at all, but we're going to ask anyway. | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
Just think, Jack, when you are done, you can get back to | 0:08:35 | 0:08:39 | |
that huge pile of cases you've taken such a sudden shine to. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:42 | |
So how come you're looking into this again? | 0:08:44 | 0:08:47 | |
We review old cases from time to time. | 0:08:47 | 0:08:50 | |
-Dotting the I's, crossing the T's. -Uh-huh. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:52 | |
-How long had you been in business with Eddie Chapman? -Well, er... -15 years. | 0:08:52 | 0:08:57 | |
-Oh, sorry. -15 years sounds about right. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:01 | |
-You must have been close. -We were friends since we were kids. | 0:09:01 | 0:09:04 | |
So Mr Chapman was a member of The Braves before you set up in business with him? | 0:09:04 | 0:09:08 | |
Yeah, but I didn't have anything to do with that side of things. | 0:09:08 | 0:09:12 | |
-But they were customers of yours, weren't they? -Our biggest customers. | 0:09:12 | 0:09:15 | |
The club runs a repair shop off the Holloway Road. | 0:09:15 | 0:09:18 | |
They get all their gear from us. What I meant before was, I don't... | 0:09:18 | 0:09:22 | |
-I'm not a member of the club. I don't socialise with them or anything. -But you ride a bike? -I do. | 0:09:22 | 0:09:26 | |
Ah, like-minded people. Your best friend was a founder member. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
-Yeah, I don't like the lifestyle. -What does that mean? | 0:09:30 | 0:09:34 | |
Dad? These new crates aren't catalogued properly, someone's going to have to... | 0:09:34 | 0:09:38 | |
Sorry, I didn't know there were... | 0:09:38 | 0:09:41 | |
-These are policemen, love. They are, they're here about Eddie. -Oh. | 0:09:41 | 0:09:45 | |
This is my daughter. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
-Hello. -Nice to meet you. | 0:09:47 | 0:09:48 | |
I'll have a look at the crates in a bit, eh? | 0:09:48 | 0:09:50 | |
All right, I'm going to head off, then. I'll call you later. | 0:09:50 | 0:09:54 | |
See you later. | 0:09:54 | 0:09:55 | |
-Family business? -Well, me and Stephanie. My wife died four years ago, | 0:09:57 | 0:10:01 | |
so it's just the two of us now. | 0:10:01 | 0:10:03 | |
She's more friendly with The Braves than you are. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:05 | |
That's Reese Chapman. Eddie's boy. They've known each other since they were kids. | 0:10:05 | 0:10:10 | |
He's all right, Reese, he went off the rails a bit in his teens | 0:10:10 | 0:10:13 | |
but he's grown up a bit in the last few years. | 0:10:13 | 0:10:15 | |
I think Stephanie's been a good influence on him. Sorry, what were you asking me? | 0:10:15 | 0:10:20 | |
-Did Eddie Chapman used to confide in you? -About what? | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
His personal life, any worries he might have had... | 0:10:24 | 0:10:27 | |
-Yeah, sometimes. You know, we talked about stuff. -What about on the day he died? | 0:10:27 | 0:10:31 | |
I didn't see him. He'd been away in Rotterdam for a couple of days, | 0:10:31 | 0:10:34 | |
sorting out a shipment with one of our suppliers. | 0:10:34 | 0:10:37 | |
He got back late afternoon. I didn't see him. | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
And before that? The last time you saw him or spoke to him? | 0:10:39 | 0:10:42 | |
Everything was fine. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:44 | |
-And if it hadn't have been, he would have told you? -Yeah, I reckon. | 0:10:44 | 0:10:47 | |
-Things all right between him and Mrs Chapman? -Why wouldn't they be? | 0:10:47 | 0:10:50 | |
She's with Marcus York now. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:52 | |
-Yeah, but all that happened way after, didn't it? -Did it? | 0:10:52 | 0:10:55 | |
Would you have been his first port of call? | 0:10:55 | 0:10:57 | |
I mean, if he'd needed to get anything off his chest, | 0:10:57 | 0:11:00 | |
might he have talked to somebody at the club? | 0:11:00 | 0:11:03 | |
No. Maybe before, he might have gone to Spike... | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
-Spike? -Paul Worsley. Spike was his nickname. Nice fella. | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
He was a Brave, one of the oldest members. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
But he died a month or so before Eddie. | 0:11:12 | 0:11:14 | |
Died? How? | 0:11:14 | 0:11:15 | |
Pub fight. | 0:11:15 | 0:11:17 | |
Someone hit him a bit too hard over the head and he never woke up. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:20 | |
Eddie must have been a bit upset about that. | 0:11:20 | 0:11:22 | |
Yeah, he was, he was gutted. | 0:11:22 | 0:11:25 | |
-Who was Spike fighting with? -No idea. | 0:11:25 | 0:11:28 | |
Look, I'm sorry, I can't be more helpful. | 0:11:28 | 0:11:31 | |
I've got no idea what happened to Eddie, I'm afraid. | 0:11:31 | 0:11:33 | |
He was fine the last time I saw him... | 0:11:33 | 0:11:35 | |
I don't know what else I can tell you. | 0:11:35 | 0:11:38 | |
This is nicer than expected. | 0:11:38 | 0:11:40 | |
You don't get one of these selling motorcycle parts. | 0:11:40 | 0:11:42 | |
-Yeah, but she's not going to admit to having an affair, is she? -No. | 0:11:42 | 0:11:46 | |
And the hotel has no records of either Karen Chapman or Marcus York | 0:11:46 | 0:11:49 | |
-booking a room for the night that Stephanie says she saw them. -They could have used false names. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:54 | |
Or they were never there in the first place... | 0:11:54 | 0:11:57 | |
Even if she does admit to having an affair, | 0:11:57 | 0:11:59 | |
-that's not going to prove anything, is it? -No. | 0:11:59 | 0:12:01 | |
-Then why are we here then? -I'm not expecting answers, Gerry. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
I just want to see her reaction to the questions. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
Karen Chapman? | 0:12:10 | 0:12:12 | |
-Detective Super... -I don't want to know your names. | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
We'd like five minutes of your time. May we come in? | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
Not unless you've got a warrant. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:20 | |
-We're looking into the murder of your husband. -Why? | 0:12:20 | 0:12:23 | |
-Because it was never solved. -Not as far as anyone else is concerned. | 0:12:23 | 0:12:26 | |
-It's common knowledge who killed Eddie. -The Dartford Strays? | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
-We're looking into other possibilities. -Such as? | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
We understand that you're in a relationship with Marcus York now. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
Yeah, well, that's none of your business. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
Depending on when that relationship started, it might be our business. | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
Who's been pulling your chain? | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
When did the relationship start? | 0:12:45 | 0:12:47 | |
A couple of months after Eddie was murdered by those bastards in Dartford. | 0:12:47 | 0:12:51 | |
Going to call me a liar? | 0:12:54 | 0:12:56 | |
Then we're done, aren't we? | 0:12:59 | 0:13:01 | |
Just explain to me how that woman had two men in her life. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
Well, she probably has one as a spare | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
for after she's eaten the other one. | 0:13:11 | 0:13:13 | |
-I'd rather be playing golf... -DOOR OPENS | 0:13:13 | 0:13:15 | |
Oh, here she is... | 0:13:15 | 0:13:16 | |
-Hello, Sandra. -Stuart Barlow! My God, what a blast from the past! | 0:13:18 | 0:13:23 | |
How are you? | 0:13:23 | 0:13:24 | |
Do you know Gerry Standing? This is... | 0:13:24 | 0:13:27 | |
-What do I call you now? -Detective Superintendent. -Detective Superintendent Barlow. | 0:13:27 | 0:13:31 | |
-Stuart. -Hiya. -We were at Hendon together. -Ah. -Thick as thieves. | 0:13:31 | 0:13:34 | |
You worked under Jack for a while, didn't you? | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
-In the dim and distant past. -Mr Hal... Jack... Taught me everything I know. | 0:13:36 | 0:13:40 | |
It's a wonder you're not still in uniform, then. | 0:13:40 | 0:13:42 | |
-Have you met Brian Lane? -Briefly, yeah. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
-The legendary UCOS team. -Hardly. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:48 | |
-Where are you now? -Organised Crime. | 0:13:48 | 0:13:50 | |
-Ah, So this isn't a social visit then. -Well, it's both. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:54 | |
-Shall we do the work bit first? -Yeah, sure. | 0:13:54 | 0:13:57 | |
Er... | 0:13:57 | 0:13:58 | |
-The Eddie Chapman case, Sandra. -Yeah. -Is it going anywhere? | 0:14:03 | 0:14:07 | |
We only got it this morning, from a walk-in. | 0:14:07 | 0:14:09 | |
-Who? -Stephanie Parr. | 0:14:09 | 0:14:11 | |
She's the daughter of David Parr - Eddie Chapman's business partner. | 0:14:11 | 0:14:14 | |
-Did she have anything? -Nothing concrete, no. -OK. | 0:14:14 | 0:14:19 | |
-We're going to have to drop this one, I'm afraid. -Why? | 0:14:19 | 0:14:22 | |
-It's been red-flagged. We're treading on toes. -The Braves. | 0:14:22 | 0:14:25 | |
My lot have been working on them for a few years | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
-and we're just starting now to get some evidence. -Drug trafficking? | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
Yeah. Joint operations with the Dutch and Swedish police. | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
We're uncovering their European connections | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
and ties to other gangs in the Netherlands and Scandinavia. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
It's a whole network of organised crime. It's a big one for us. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:43 | |
-For me, personally. -Are you close? -We're very close, very close. | 0:14:43 | 0:14:47 | |
It's been a slog, getting any inside information on these gangs | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
-is nigh on impossible, but we're just starting... -OK, OK. | 0:14:50 | 0:14:54 | |
What? | 0:14:54 | 0:14:55 | |
Well, she took quite a big risk coming in to see us. | 0:14:55 | 0:14:58 | |
Well, you said she didn't have any evidence. | 0:14:58 | 0:15:01 | |
No, I said she had nothing concrete. | 0:15:01 | 0:15:03 | |
Then tell her you couldn't corroborate her story. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
-I'm sorry, Sandra, but we can't compromise Stuart's operation. -Of course. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:09 | |
This gang is incredibly jumpy. A police presence now, even if it is just UCOS, | 0:15:09 | 0:15:14 | |
it could spook them into quietening down their operations just when we're getting ready... | 0:15:14 | 0:15:18 | |
Look, she only walked in this morning. I'll tell her we don't have the resources. It's no big deal. | 0:15:18 | 0:15:23 | |
-Thank you, Sandra. -Good luck, Stuart. -Thank you, sir. | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
I said I'd hook up with Jack later for a drink. You up for sinking a few? | 0:15:27 | 0:15:30 | |
Nah, I've got some stuff to take care of. | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
All right, what did I say? | 0:15:32 | 0:15:34 | |
-You said "just UCOS". -Ah. | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
You said The Braves would be spooked by a police presence, even if it was "just UCOS". | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
I meant as opposed to a full-on murder enquiry. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
-No, that's not what you meant. -That's not what I meant... -So? | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
You shot a dog. By accident. What was it seven, eight years ago? | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
This is the longest anyone's ever spent on the naughty step, isn't it? | 0:15:49 | 0:15:52 | |
-They're a good team. -It's a remarkable team. | 0:15:52 | 0:15:54 | |
The clean-up rate is through the roof and those three guys are legends. | 0:15:54 | 0:15:58 | |
If you were anybody else, I'd be shaking your hand, saying, "Good job." | 0:15:58 | 0:16:01 | |
It's none of my business. Ignore me. We lost touch, people change. | 0:16:02 | 0:16:06 | |
-I didn't mean to cause offence back there, really. It's just nice to see you again. -Changed how? | 0:16:06 | 0:16:10 | |
-Seriously, forget it. Let me buy you a drink. -You think I've changed? | 0:16:10 | 0:16:14 | |
I just strolled in there and pulled your team off a case. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
Sandra Pullman I trained with would never... | 0:16:17 | 0:16:19 | |
We don't really have a case! | 0:16:19 | 0:16:20 | |
We only got it this morning, we don't have anything! | 0:16:20 | 0:16:23 | |
-That's fine then! -And if it jeopardises an existing operation, then... | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
-I don't think I've changed. -OK. | 0:16:28 | 0:16:31 | |
-No, it's not OK! -It feels like you've settled. -Ah. -We don't need to have this conversation. | 0:16:31 | 0:16:36 | |
-I'm not doing the "really important work"? -Sandra. -What's an unsolved murder here or there | 0:16:36 | 0:16:40 | |
-when I should be out battling the European drug cartels single-handed? -OK, that's really not what I meant. | 0:16:40 | 0:16:46 | |
There are people out there at the sharp end, people who, | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
on their very best day, are nowhere near as good as you. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:54 | |
And instead of being out in the front, | 0:16:54 | 0:16:56 | |
you're sitting in a basement cleaning up their mess. | 0:16:56 | 0:16:59 | |
-Shall we take the stairs? -Hmm. | 0:17:02 | 0:17:05 | |
-So you and Barlow go all the way back to Hendon, eh? -Yeah. | 0:17:05 | 0:17:10 | |
Any...history? | 0:17:10 | 0:17:12 | |
-No. -OK. -Why do you think that? | 0:17:12 | 0:17:15 | |
Well, it was just that Brian was saying it's not like you | 0:17:15 | 0:17:18 | |
to give up a case without a fight. | 0:17:18 | 0:17:20 | |
Organised Crime have been onto this for three years, Gerry. | 0:17:20 | 0:17:23 | |
-If we went barging in looking for Eddie Chapman's killer... -Yeah, yeah, I know. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:27 | |
So you lot think I agreed to this because Stuart Barlow and I... | 0:17:27 | 0:17:30 | |
No, no of course not. | 0:17:30 | 0:17:32 | |
-UCOS doesn't go after people like Marcus York. -Since when? | 0:17:32 | 0:17:36 | |
We don't have the manpower, the resources, or the expertise. | 0:17:36 | 0:17:40 | |
Let's just get this over with. | 0:17:40 | 0:17:41 | |
We'll tell Stephanie there's not enough evidence to support her case | 0:17:41 | 0:17:44 | |
and then we'll go to the office, put the kettle on | 0:17:44 | 0:17:47 | |
and blow the dust off another case from the Who Bloody Cares? file. | 0:17:47 | 0:17:50 | |
What, like murder, you mean? | 0:17:50 | 0:17:52 | |
-Somebody's dead child or... -Shh! | 0:17:52 | 0:17:56 | |
KNOCKS ON THE DOOR Stephanie? | 0:17:56 | 0:17:59 | |
Stephanie, police. | 0:18:01 | 0:18:03 | |
Well, she's alive. | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
OK, Thank you. | 0:18:31 | 0:18:33 | |
She'll be OK. | 0:18:34 | 0:18:35 | |
Scarred for life, they think, but OK. | 0:18:35 | 0:18:37 | |
The way she was attacked, she must have seen who it was. | 0:18:37 | 0:18:40 | |
She's not saying. She won't speak to us. | 0:18:40 | 0:18:42 | |
Well whoever it was had the desired effect, didn't they? | 0:18:42 | 0:18:45 | |
Forensics might come up with something from her flat. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:47 | |
Active investigation, so whatever they find is none of our business. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:51 | |
Except where it crosses over with the Eddie Chapman case. | 0:18:51 | 0:18:54 | |
-Whoever attacked Stephanie must have... -Brian, we've dropped the Eddie Chapman case, remember? | 0:18:54 | 0:18:59 | |
-Didn't we have this conversation? -Yeah, we did. But then someone attacked Stephanie Parr | 0:19:02 | 0:19:07 | |
and now we have to have the Eddie Chapman case. Stephanie comes to us | 0:19:07 | 0:19:10 | |
and alleges that Marcus York killed Eddie Chapman. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:12 | |
-We asked questions and then someone attacked her. -If we drop the case now... | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
The Braves'll realise you've been called off. | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
They'll know something's up and batten down the hatches. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:21 | |
UCOS will stick to the Eddie Chapman murder. | 0:19:21 | 0:19:24 | |
They won't look at the drugs or any of the organised crime. | 0:19:24 | 0:19:26 | |
And if those aspects cross into your case? | 0:19:26 | 0:19:28 | |
Are we working on the theory that York killed Chapman | 0:19:28 | 0:19:31 | |
-because Chapman found out York was sleeping with his wife? -Yes. -There shouldn't be any crossover. | 0:19:31 | 0:19:36 | |
-His web's more tangled. -And we're not capable of navigating the murky waters | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
-of organised crime... -Of course, I'm just concerned... -So stay and help them out. | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
-Excuse me? -Sir, I don't think... | 0:19:44 | 0:19:46 | |
I'm sure the team would benefit from your knowledge of The Braves | 0:19:46 | 0:19:49 | |
and you can steer them clear of any lines of enquiry that could cause you trouble. | 0:19:49 | 0:19:53 | |
-You OK with that, Sandra? -HE MOUTHS | 0:19:53 | 0:19:55 | |
It's a great idea. | 0:19:55 | 0:19:58 | |
-Excellent, I'll square it with your DAC, Stuart. Welcome to UCOS. -Thank you, sir. | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
What, this is funny, is it? | 0:20:06 | 0:20:07 | |
Don't worry, you'll fit right in! | 0:20:07 | 0:20:10 | |
The attack on Stephanie Parr is an active investigation. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:14 | |
Our job is to investigate Stephanie's assertion | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
that Marcus York killed Eddie Chapman. | 0:20:17 | 0:20:19 | |
And we still don't have any evidence for that. | 0:20:19 | 0:20:22 | |
-Milk and sugar, Stuart? -Er, milk, one sugar. Thank you. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:25 | |
Stephanie Parr's in a hospital bed because she came to see us. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
So somebody must have been worried about what she'd said. | 0:20:29 | 0:20:33 | |
But who? And who even knew that she came to see us? | 0:20:33 | 0:20:35 | |
As Sandra says, that's not the focus of the UCOS investigation. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
What happened to Stephanie is as likely to be punishment for her | 0:20:38 | 0:20:42 | |
talking to the police as it is an attempt to shut her up. | 0:20:42 | 0:20:45 | |
Thank you. I don't think you can assume | 0:20:45 | 0:20:47 | |
that she's got any more useful information to give you regarding the Chapman case. | 0:20:47 | 0:20:51 | |
Which brings us back to the fact that we still have no evidence. | 0:20:51 | 0:20:54 | |
So who's to say that Chapman wasn't killed by this rival gang in Dartford? | 0:20:54 | 0:20:59 | |
What? | 0:21:00 | 0:21:02 | |
-Nothing. -No, no. If you've got something that will help our case... | 0:21:03 | 0:21:08 | |
Chapman wasn't killed by anyone from the Dartford gang. | 0:21:08 | 0:21:11 | |
How do you know that? | 0:21:11 | 0:21:12 | |
And why did the original investigation conclude... | 0:21:12 | 0:21:15 | |
Kent Police have got an informant in the Dartford gang. He's well placed and reliable | 0:21:15 | 0:21:20 | |
and he swears blind that Chapman's death had nothing to do with them. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
-(Thanks, lads.) -That didn't go to the original investigation | 0:21:24 | 0:21:27 | |
because the informant's existence needs to be kept secret. | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
-Which means that information doesn't leave this room. -So what else are you not telling us? | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
A staggering amount. None of it relevant to Chapman. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:37 | |
-And you're the best judge of that, are you? -I'm going to have to be. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
Come to me with a question, I'll try to answer it. | 0:21:40 | 0:21:43 | |
But I can't just volunteer information that might jeopardise what my team are doing. | 0:21:43 | 0:21:47 | |
-So what can you tell us? -I can tell you that you should stop worrying about | 0:21:47 | 0:21:50 | |
poor, innocent little Reese Chapman turning to the dark side. | 0:21:50 | 0:21:53 | |
That happened seven years ago, when he was 14 | 0:21:53 | 0:21:56 | |
-and he stabbed a youth worker three times with a screwdriver. -That's not in the file... | 0:21:56 | 0:22:00 | |
Not in his file. He was never charged because Mummy and Daddy got involved | 0:22:00 | 0:22:03 | |
and suddenly the youth worker couldn't remember who'd attacked him. | 0:22:03 | 0:22:07 | |
Two years ago Reese, and two other members of The Braves, Carl Butcher, | 0:22:07 | 0:22:11 | |
Gary Wood, kicked a member of a rival gang into a coma at a music festival, | 0:22:11 | 0:22:14 | |
in broad daylight in the middle of a group and no-one saw a thing. | 0:22:14 | 0:22:17 | |
Well, David Parr did tell us | 0:22:17 | 0:22:19 | |
that Reese Chapman had been a tearaway in his youth, | 0:22:19 | 0:22:23 | |
but as far as he knew, he's a changed man now. | 0:22:23 | 0:22:26 | |
Really? | 0:22:26 | 0:22:28 | |
Let us be under no illusions here. Eddie Chapman was an animal. | 0:22:28 | 0:22:32 | |
So's his kid. No-one on this board is innocent, | 0:22:32 | 0:22:35 | |
none of them are going to tell you the truth | 0:22:35 | 0:22:37 | |
and not one of them would think twice about sticking a knife in your guts if they feel cornered. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:41 | |
Great. Can't wait to meet them. | 0:22:41 | 0:22:44 | |
Not the most salubrious criminal headquarters, is it? | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
The King's Head is just round the corner. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:53 | |
-Jack! -No, that's the place where this Spike Worsley was killed. | 0:22:53 | 0:22:57 | |
-Eddie Chapman's friend? -Well, David Parr said they were close. | 0:22:57 | 0:23:00 | |
-So? -So, the pub where it happened is just around that corner. | 0:23:00 | 0:23:04 | |
It must be their local. Of course, there were no witnesses, | 0:23:04 | 0:23:07 | |
but it was assumed that Worsley was attacked by a rival gang. | 0:23:07 | 0:23:10 | |
-In their local pub? -Well, just outside, in the car park. | 0:23:10 | 0:23:14 | |
-But it doesn't seem likely, does it? If he was attacked by a rival gang outside... -That's gang war. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:19 | |
There would have been more than one casualty. Interesting. | 0:23:19 | 0:23:22 | |
-Oh! here we go. -Well, that's York. | 0:23:22 | 0:23:25 | |
Who's that with him? | 0:23:25 | 0:23:26 | |
That is...Jason Knowles, vice president of the club. | 0:23:26 | 0:23:31 | |
Previous for armed robbery and assault. | 0:23:31 | 0:23:34 | |
-Oh, there he is. -Yeah, let's go. | 0:23:34 | 0:23:37 | |
Reese Chapman? | 0:23:53 | 0:23:54 | |
Detective Superintendent Pullman, this is Jack Halford. We'd like a word with you. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:00 | |
-You don't have to talk to these people, Reese. -And you are? -You know exactly who I am. | 0:24:00 | 0:24:05 | |
Marcus York and Jason Knowles. | 0:24:05 | 0:24:08 | |
That's better. See, he's not trying to bullshit anyone. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:11 | |
-You're the one who harassed my friend yesterday. -She thought that was harassment? | 0:24:12 | 0:24:16 | |
We'd like to ask Reese a few questions about his father's death. | 0:24:16 | 0:24:19 | |
He doesn't have to talk to you. | 0:24:19 | 0:24:21 | |
No. But he can make his own mind up, he doesn't need your permission. | 0:24:21 | 0:24:24 | |
Take them up to the office. | 0:24:30 | 0:24:32 | |
You'll make up the time, though. | 0:24:33 | 0:24:36 | |
Don't trust these people, Reese. All right? | 0:24:40 | 0:24:44 | |
Not sitting at Stephanie's bedside, then? | 0:24:53 | 0:24:56 | |
Poor girl has 17 stitches in her face. They're feeding her through a straw. | 0:24:56 | 0:25:00 | |
-Nice boyfriend you are. -She won't see me. -I don't blame her. | 0:25:00 | 0:25:03 | |
-It's not my fault she's there. -No? | 0:25:05 | 0:25:06 | |
Whose fault is it, then? | 0:25:06 | 0:25:09 | |
Where were you on the night that your dad was killed? | 0:25:09 | 0:25:12 | |
-I was at a party. -Where? | 0:25:12 | 0:25:14 | |
-Here. There's some sofas over at the back. We hang out here. -Who else was here? | 0:25:14 | 0:25:18 | |
A bunch of the guys. Marcus and Jason. | 0:25:18 | 0:25:21 | |
-Jason Knowles, the ex-armed robber? -What time did you leave? -I didn't. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
-I passed out on the floor, woke up the next morning. -Too much cider? | 0:25:25 | 0:25:29 | |
That's funny. I don't know what I was drinking. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:31 | |
-Knocked me out, though. -Did your dad try to reach you that night? | 0:25:31 | 0:25:34 | |
Yeah. I saw the missed calls in the morning, | 0:25:34 | 0:25:38 | |
but by then it was too late. | 0:25:38 | 0:25:39 | |
So, who do you think killed him, Reese? | 0:25:39 | 0:25:41 | |
-I don't know. -But you think you know, don't you? | 0:25:41 | 0:25:44 | |
It wasn't a rival gang. You can take that from us. | 0:25:44 | 0:25:46 | |
And why would I do that? | 0:25:46 | 0:25:48 | |
-Your mum's in a relationship with Marcus York now, isn't she? -Yeah. | 0:25:49 | 0:25:54 | |
-When did that start? -A couple of months after Dad died. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
-You sure about that? -Yes, I'm sure. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:00 | |
When you woke up, after that party, was Marcus York still there? | 0:26:01 | 0:26:05 | |
-No, he'd gone home. -Did you see him leave? | 0:26:05 | 0:26:07 | |
I didn't see anything. I told you - I passed out. | 0:26:07 | 0:26:11 | |
All right. Thanks very much. | 0:26:11 | 0:26:13 | |
-That's it? -We'll be in touch. | 0:26:13 | 0:26:16 | |
-Is The King's Head your local? -Yeah. | 0:26:18 | 0:26:20 | |
Spike Worsley was killed there. Did you know him? | 0:26:20 | 0:26:24 | |
-Yeah. -Do you know who killed him? -No. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:27 | |
Someone is attacked outside the pub | 0:26:27 | 0:26:29 | |
and there must have been other people there? | 0:26:29 | 0:26:31 | |
-No-one saw a thing. -What a surprise! | 0:26:31 | 0:26:34 | |
We were wondering if there's a connection between that and your father's death. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:39 | |
-What are you trying to say? -I'm sorry? -What you saying about my dad? | 0:26:39 | 0:26:43 | |
You trying to say he was one of your lot? Are you saying he was like Worsley? | 0:26:43 | 0:26:46 | |
-Reese... -What do you mean, "one of our lot"? | 0:26:46 | 0:26:49 | |
I think your 15 minutes is up, don't you? | 0:26:51 | 0:26:54 | |
-Did you know Spike Worsley, Mr Knowles? -Never heard of him. | 0:26:54 | 0:26:58 | |
Really? That's odd, because he was a member of your gang. | 0:26:58 | 0:27:00 | |
Is that right? | 0:27:00 | 0:27:02 | |
Sounds to me like he was a member of yours. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
Do you think Sandra's being a bit weird at the moment? | 0:27:11 | 0:27:15 | |
Brian? | 0:27:15 | 0:27:18 | |
-Brian! -Hmm? | 0:27:18 | 0:27:19 | |
I said, "Do you think Sandra's being a bit weird at the moment?" | 0:27:19 | 0:27:23 | |
What if we're on the wrong track? | 0:27:23 | 0:27:25 | |
I'm better off talking to myself. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:27 | |
What if Karen Chapman's affair with Marcus York | 0:27:27 | 0:27:29 | |
-had nothing to do with Eddie Chapman's death? -What are you looking at? -This Spike Worsley, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:34 | |
-Eddie Chapman's mate who was killed a few months before Chapman. -Yeah, in the pub. | 0:27:34 | 0:27:38 | |
-But David Parr told me and Jack that he didn't know anything about it. -So? | 0:27:38 | 0:27:42 | |
He's on the witness list. He was there when it happened. | 0:27:42 | 0:27:46 | |
-Ah, Mr Parr. This is Gerry Standing. -Hello. | 0:27:56 | 0:28:00 | |
-How's Stephanie doing? -I can't talk to you. | 0:28:00 | 0:28:03 | |
-You said you didn't know what happened to Spike Worsley. -Spike? | 0:28:03 | 0:28:07 | |
-What's this got to do with him? -You were with him the night he was killed. | 0:28:07 | 0:28:10 | |
-He left before me. I don't know what happened to him. -He was killed in the car park outside. | 0:28:10 | 0:28:15 | |
-You must have walked past him on your way out. -It was dark. | 0:28:15 | 0:28:18 | |
-Who else was there? -I don't remember. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
-Come on! You can do better than that. -No! I can't. | 0:28:20 | 0:28:24 | |
You see, the official version is that he was killed by a rival gang. | 0:28:24 | 0:28:28 | |
Much like Eddie Chapman. | 0:28:28 | 0:28:29 | |
But, if that's the case, then surely there would have been retribution. | 0:28:29 | 0:28:33 | |
-Which there wasn't. -So maybe it wasn't a rival gang. -I don't know. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:37 | |
There's an awful lot you don't know, isn't there? | 0:28:37 | 0:28:39 | |
You don't know who killed Eddie, you don't know who killed Spike, | 0:28:39 | 0:28:42 | |
-you don't even know who cut your daughter's face to ribbons. -I'm going inside. | 0:28:42 | 0:28:46 | |
-You know. You're just too scared to talk. -I'll say something. | 0:28:46 | 0:28:51 | |
You did this. My little girl's in there because she came to you in confidence. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
And this is how you kept her safe. | 0:28:54 | 0:28:57 | |
I'm going back to see my daughter. | 0:28:59 | 0:29:01 | |
You leave me alone - both of you! | 0:29:01 | 0:29:03 | |
Anything I can help you with? | 0:29:06 | 0:29:09 | |
Do you think the murder of Spike Worsley is related to this somehow? | 0:29:15 | 0:29:18 | |
-Hello? -Hmm? | 0:29:20 | 0:29:22 | |
Spike Worsley. | 0:29:22 | 0:29:23 | |
I don't know. | 0:29:25 | 0:29:26 | |
If there is a connection, I can't see it yet. Do you think I'm the youngest person in here? | 0:29:26 | 0:29:31 | |
Yes. | 0:29:32 | 0:29:33 | |
Jack, do you think I'm wasted at UCOS? | 0:29:35 | 0:29:38 | |
What kind of a question is that? | 0:29:38 | 0:29:40 | |
A stupid one. Ignore me. | 0:29:42 | 0:29:45 | |
-Thank you. -Cheers. | 0:29:45 | 0:29:47 | |
-I'll have yours. -No, you won't. You're not allowed it. No! -Give it back. | 0:29:47 | 0:29:51 | |
-Tell him to give me my drink back. -Give him his drink back. | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
-He just said I was the brawn of the operation. -He was being kind. | 0:29:54 | 0:29:58 | |
-There's not a large vodka and tonic, is there? -I'll get you one. | 0:29:59 | 0:30:03 | |
-It's all right, I'll put it on the tab. -I'll come with you. | 0:30:03 | 0:30:06 | |
A large one, a bit strong, isn't it? | 0:30:06 | 0:30:08 | |
How did it go today? | 0:30:08 | 0:30:10 | |
Double vodka and tonic. Ice and lime. Thanks. | 0:30:10 | 0:30:14 | |
-Well remembered. -Some people don't change. | 0:30:14 | 0:30:16 | |
HE LAUGHS | 0:30:16 | 0:30:18 | |
-Was Spike Worsley an informant? -No. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
-If that's something you don't think we need to know. -No, he wasn't a snout. | 0:30:21 | 0:30:26 | |
It looks like he was killed because The Braves thought he was. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:29 | |
A couple of years ago, customs raided a boat coming in from Rotterdam. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
They discovered £2 million worth of cocaine. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:37 | |
-Being brought in by The Braves? -Yes, although, as usual, we couldn't prove a link to them. | 0:30:37 | 0:30:43 | |
The bust was blind luck, it was just a random search, | 0:30:43 | 0:30:46 | |
-but The Braves got it into their head that someone had grassed them up. -On the strength of one bust? | 0:30:46 | 0:30:52 | |
Marcus York has become very paranoid in his old age. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:55 | |
He started a witch hunt. | 0:30:55 | 0:30:57 | |
-And the finger got pointed at Spike Worsley? -So it seems. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:01 | |
-Like I say, it wasn't him, it was just a random bust. -Do you think Marcus York killed him? | 0:31:01 | 0:31:06 | |
The order could have come from York, but it's unlikely he would have done it himself. | 0:31:07 | 0:31:12 | |
Spike Worsley was one of Eddie Chapman's oldest friends. | 0:31:12 | 0:31:15 | |
He must have been pretty certain that Spike wasn't a grass. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
What if he confronted Marcus York and things got out of hand? | 0:31:18 | 0:31:21 | |
This is their equivalent of a court of law. The President's word is final. | 0:31:21 | 0:31:25 | |
Eddie might not have liked it, but he wouldn't have got in the way. | 0:31:25 | 0:31:28 | |
Wait a minute. The shipment that was seized was from Rotterdam? | 0:31:30 | 0:31:34 | |
What was the shipment disguised as? | 0:31:34 | 0:31:38 | |
-It was motorcycle parts, wasn't it? -This is so far out of your remit. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:41 | |
Eddie Chapman and David Parr were smuggling drugs from Rotterdam | 0:31:41 | 0:31:45 | |
-for The Braves. Why didn't they get done on that bust? -Cos they're smart. The paperwork goes round in circles. | 0:31:45 | 0:31:50 | |
Yeah, and you didn't push it because you didn't want to blow your operation. | 0:31:50 | 0:31:55 | |
You can't use this information. You can't even admit that you know it. | 0:31:55 | 0:31:59 | |
-You ARE joking? -It's not relevant to your case. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:02 | |
Eddie got murdered hours after getting back from Rotterdam, | 0:32:02 | 0:32:05 | |
where, presumably, he was organising a drug shipment. How is that not relevant? | 0:32:05 | 0:32:09 | |
If Eddie was killed because of some kind of double-cross over drugs, York would have killed Parr too. | 0:32:09 | 0:32:14 | |
But he didn't, David Parr is still very much alive. | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
-Yeah, and still bringing in the drugs? -Yup. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
You've got to investigate this case, for appearance's sake now that Stephanie Parr is in hospital. | 0:32:22 | 0:32:27 | |
-But... -But we'll never get enough on Marcus York to make an arrest. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
Not in a million years! | 0:32:32 | 0:32:34 | |
Are we the youngest in this pub? | 0:32:41 | 0:32:43 | |
-Morning. -Morning. -Forensics from Stephanie Parr's flat. | 0:32:47 | 0:32:51 | |
-Not our case, Gerry. -But it tells us who attacked her. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:53 | |
-Although there's no way to prove it. -Well, that doesn't surprise me. All right, let's hear it. | 0:32:53 | 0:32:58 | |
Ah, there's a ton of fingerprints and hair samples all over the place, David Parr, obviously, | 0:32:58 | 0:33:03 | |
Reese Chapman, Karen Chapman, Marcus York, Jason Knowles, Carl B... | 0:33:03 | 0:33:07 | |
Basically anyone who was in The Braves. They even found a partial of Eddie Chapman. | 0:33:07 | 0:33:13 | |
-Which tells you something about Stephanie's housekeeping. -So? | 0:33:13 | 0:33:16 | |
Well, whoever cut Stephanie's face grabbed a handful of hair to keep her head steady. | 0:33:16 | 0:33:23 | |
They found flakes of nail varnish in her scalp. | 0:33:23 | 0:33:26 | |
What colour? | 0:33:26 | 0:33:29 | |
-Nice varnish. -Thanks. -Same colour we found in Stephanie Parr's hair. | 0:33:30 | 0:33:34 | |
-It's a very common brand. -Yes, but not one she uses. | 0:33:34 | 0:33:38 | |
Never say never. She'll need all the help she can get now. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
We know it was you. | 0:33:41 | 0:33:42 | |
I don't know what you're talking about. | 0:33:42 | 0:33:44 | |
Who told you Stephanie came to see us? | 0:33:44 | 0:33:47 | |
I'd call my lawyer, but he's very expensive and I don't think you're worth it. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:52 | |
-Unless Stephanie Parr talks. -Is that likely, do you think? | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
What'll your son say when he finds out you did that to his girlfriend? | 0:33:56 | 0:34:01 | |
Ex-girlfriend, I suspect. She's not going to stick around now the going's got tough. | 0:34:01 | 0:34:06 | |
You've just done a very stupid thing. This case was hanging by a thread, I was going to walk away. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:12 | |
Call your lawyer and tell him he's about to make a lot of money out of you and your boyfriend. | 0:34:12 | 0:34:16 | |
-We haven't got anything. -I know we don't have anything, Jack. | 0:34:17 | 0:34:21 | |
-So that was an idle threat you just made to Karen Chapman. -We need to find something, don't we? | 0:34:21 | 0:34:25 | |
That's the same problem that everyone's had when they tried to nick Marcus York. | 0:34:25 | 0:34:29 | |
-The bloke's made out of Teflon. -We can't tie him into the murder of Spike Worsley, | 0:34:29 | 0:34:33 | |
we can't prove Karen Chapman attacked Stephanie Parr. | 0:34:33 | 0:34:36 | |
We can't use what we know about David Parr's drug smuggling, to make him talk, | 0:34:36 | 0:34:40 | |
because we can't let him know we know. | 0:34:40 | 0:34:43 | |
-Yeah, that's all stick, though. Maybe we need a bit of carrot. -What do you mean? | 0:34:43 | 0:34:48 | |
Well, nobody'll talk because they're scared of what The Braves will do to them. | 0:34:48 | 0:34:52 | |
We need someone who stands to gain by Marcus York being put behind bars. | 0:34:52 | 0:34:57 | |
Thanks for coming in, Mr Knowles, however reluctantly. | 0:34:57 | 0:35:00 | |
As you know, we're investigating the murder of Eddie Chapman. | 0:35:00 | 0:35:03 | |
Yeah, we understand you were at a party the night Eddie Chapman was murdered. Is that right? | 0:35:03 | 0:35:08 | |
Reese Chapman was there and Marcus York. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:13 | |
This conversation isn't being recorded. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:17 | |
We think Marcus York killed Eddie Chapman. | 0:35:17 | 0:35:20 | |
Marcus was having an affair with Karen Chapman. Did you know that? | 0:35:23 | 0:35:28 | |
We think that Eddie found out about it, confronted him and then Marcus killed him. | 0:35:28 | 0:35:32 | |
That couldn't have happened if Marcus York was at a party with you at the time. | 0:35:32 | 0:35:36 | |
But if he wasn't there, or if he left early. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:40 | |
UCOS doesn't care what you've done, or might do in the future. | 0:35:41 | 0:35:44 | |
We're only interested in the murder of Eddie Chapman. | 0:35:44 | 0:35:48 | |
And if Marcus York gets nicked for it, leaves a vacancy at the top, doesn't it? | 0:35:48 | 0:35:53 | |
You are vice-president after all. | 0:35:53 | 0:35:56 | |
Are you really that loyal to a man like Marcus York? | 0:35:57 | 0:36:01 | |
Are you really that happy to take orders from him when you could be running the show? | 0:36:01 | 0:36:05 | |
Maybe you're just scared of what might happen if someone finds out that you talked to the police. | 0:36:05 | 0:36:10 | |
-Is that it? -Of course, no-one knows what's happening in this room. | 0:36:10 | 0:36:14 | |
Who's to say you're not spilling your guts? | 0:36:14 | 0:36:17 | |
Yeah, and if a rumour like that gets out, you could end up like Stephanie Parr. | 0:36:17 | 0:36:22 | |
Or Spike Worsley. | 0:36:22 | 0:36:24 | |
Honestly, I've never seen anything like it. | 0:36:27 | 0:36:30 | |
-Everyone says something, eventually, don't they? -Apparently not. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
So where does that leave us? | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
Can I have a word? | 0:36:37 | 0:36:39 | |
-Jason Knowles. -What about him? -You brought him in. You didn't think to check with me? | 0:36:49 | 0:36:53 | |
-He's being interviewed in our investigation. -The Vice-President of The Braves. | 0:36:53 | 0:36:57 | |
He was at the party Marcus York claimed to be at on the night Eddie Chapman was killed. | 0:36:57 | 0:37:01 | |
-How did you know we were talking to Knowles? -He started a fight with some uniforms | 0:37:01 | 0:37:05 | |
when you tried to arrest him. I'm surprised it wasn't on the bloody news! | 0:37:05 | 0:37:08 | |
-That doesn't give you the right to come in here shouting. -We're treading a fine line here. | 0:37:08 | 0:37:12 | |
-I'm trying to give you leeway. -Not treading on your toes. | 0:37:12 | 0:37:15 | |
-I'm just saying if you want to... -No, no, no, I'm not stupid. | 0:37:15 | 0:37:19 | |
I know what the boundaries are and I'm not treading on your toes. | 0:37:19 | 0:37:23 | |
Stuart? | 0:37:30 | 0:37:32 | |
Why haven't you asked what Jason Knowles said to us? | 0:37:34 | 0:37:37 | |
It's cos you already know, isn't it? | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
And that's why he's back on the streets five hours after assaulting three coppers. | 0:37:47 | 0:37:52 | |
The Vice-President of The Braves is a police informant. | 0:38:05 | 0:38:08 | |
-Jason Knowles? -Bloody Hell. | 0:38:08 | 0:38:11 | |
He picked up the phone as soon as he was released and told Stuart that Marcus York left the party | 0:38:11 | 0:38:16 | |
just after ten o'clock and didn't come back in. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:19 | |
Well, that blows York's alibi out the window. | 0:38:19 | 0:38:22 | |
We can't use that without compromising Knowles, can we? | 0:38:22 | 0:38:25 | |
-No, we need to get it from someone else. -Who? -Reese Chapman. | 0:38:25 | 0:38:29 | |
-How will you get it from him? -We'll tell him everything we know. -That's dangerous. | 0:38:29 | 0:38:34 | |
If it doesn't work, we'll be letting a very angry young man walk out of here. | 0:38:34 | 0:38:38 | |
Then it had better work, Jack. | 0:38:38 | 0:38:40 | |
It was your mother who attacked Stephanie and cut her face. | 0:38:40 | 0:38:44 | |
That bit of news hadn't got to you, I'm surprised. She doesn't seem too bothered about hiding it. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:51 | |
-And she said you'd be on her side. -I'm not talking to you. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:54 | |
You are, cos I'm not playing that game again today. | 0:38:54 | 0:38:57 | |
Have you any idea why she might have done that to Stephanie, Reese? | 0:38:57 | 0:39:00 | |
Stephanie said that she saw your mum and Marcus York, coming out of a hotel room | 0:39:00 | 0:39:06 | |
-in the middle of the night. -The two of them. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:08 | |
A month before your father was killed. What do you think that means? | 0:39:08 | 0:39:11 | |
-That's not true. -Really? So Stephanie's lying? Wow! | 0:39:11 | 0:39:15 | |
She took quite a big risk coming here just to tell us a lie. | 0:39:15 | 0:39:18 | |
-And she paid for it. -She certainly did, when someone told your mother about it. | 0:39:18 | 0:39:23 | |
I wonder why it was such a big deal? People have affairs all the time. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:28 | |
Yeah, after it came out, your father was no longer around, anyway. | 0:39:28 | 0:39:31 | |
-Unless it came out before. -Before? | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
-You think Eddie could have found out? -Maybe that's what he was talking about that night. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:39 | |
-What night? -The night he died. | 0:39:39 | 0:39:41 | |
Stephanie said that he came round to her flat, looking for you, Reese. | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
She said he was angry, upset and kept muttering about loyalty and... | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
-What was the other thing? -Betrayal? -Betrayal. Yeah, that's right. | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
-He needed to talk to you about something. -Something important. | 0:39:53 | 0:39:57 | |
That's why he kept calling. | 0:39:57 | 0:39:59 | |
But you were at a party and couldn't hear your phone. | 0:39:59 | 0:40:01 | |
So he wandered out into the night, your Dad. Angry, drunk, confused. | 0:40:01 | 0:40:07 | |
-Betrayed. -And that was the last anyone saw of him. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:10 | |
-Well, almost anyone. -That's true. One person saw him after that. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:15 | |
Marcus York was at that party with you, wasn't he? | 0:40:17 | 0:40:21 | |
-Yeah. -Was he? -Yes. -All night? -I passed out. | 0:40:21 | 0:40:26 | |
But up to that point Marcus York was with you? | 0:40:26 | 0:40:29 | |
-He went out to get some air. -What time? -I don't know. | 0:40:29 | 0:40:32 | |
-He just went outside for a few minutes. -A minute? Five minutes? How long? -I don't know. A few minutes. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:38 | |
I went out there, I saw him leaning against the wall. He looked rough, he said he just needed some air. | 0:40:38 | 0:40:42 | |
Did you see him come back in? | 0:40:42 | 0:40:45 | |
I went in, he said he'd be right behind me. | 0:40:45 | 0:40:47 | |
Reese? Think. Did Marcus York come back into that party? | 0:40:47 | 0:40:51 | |
No. | 0:40:55 | 0:40:58 | |
LOUD MUSIC | 0:40:58 | 0:41:00 | |
Marcus, leave him alone! | 0:41:00 | 0:41:02 | |
Get off your hands off him. Get your hands off him! | 0:41:02 | 0:41:05 | |
Get your hands off him! Marcus! | 0:41:05 | 0:41:07 | |
Get off me! Get off me! | 0:41:10 | 0:41:12 | |
-I went outside for some air. -Because you were feeling ill. -Yeah. | 0:41:15 | 0:41:20 | |
-How long were you outside? -I don't know. A few minutes. | 0:41:20 | 0:41:24 | |
-And then you went back in, did you? -Yeah. -Did anyone see you go back in? | 0:41:24 | 0:41:29 | |
-Who did you talk to? -I don't know. It was a party. I was drunk. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:34 | |
-We spoke to someone else at the party who said you didn't go back inside. -Who was that? | 0:41:34 | 0:41:38 | |
That's not important. | 0:41:38 | 0:41:40 | |
Young Reese been telling tales, has he? | 0:41:41 | 0:41:44 | |
-When did your relationship with Karen Chapman start? -You want dates and times? I don't know. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
-Was it before or after Eddie was killed? -After. | 0:41:48 | 0:41:51 | |
But you were seen at a hotel together a month before he died. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:56 | |
-Another one of your mystery witnesses? -Look at his hand. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:59 | |
-What is that? -I don't know. | 0:41:59 | 0:42:00 | |
Eddie Chapman found out about it, didn't he? | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
-I need a glass of water. -Did he confront you? -We know he was angry and he'd been drinking. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:08 | |
-It makes sense that he could have been the aggressor. Was it self-defence? -Water. | 0:42:08 | 0:42:12 | |
-What happened? -Nothing! -Eddie Chapman confronted you about the affair, | 0:42:12 | 0:42:16 | |
-you were both drunk and it turned violent. Who threw the first punch? -No-one! | 0:42:16 | 0:42:20 | |
Piss off. | 0:42:20 | 0:42:22 | |
ALARM BLARES | 0:42:22 | 0:42:25 | |
What's wrong with him? | 0:42:28 | 0:42:30 | |
Call an ambulance! | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
His hand was trembling in the interview. | 0:42:32 | 0:42:35 | |
It was doing the same thing when we met him at that motorbike place. | 0:42:35 | 0:42:38 | |
That's got to be a neurological thing, hasn't it? | 0:42:38 | 0:42:41 | |
What's the betting his lawyer tries to blame it on us? | 0:42:41 | 0:42:43 | |
He's upstairs having his jaw wired up, so we don't have to worry about him for a while. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:49 | |
-You're never going to believe this. MS. -Multiple sclerosis? | 0:42:51 | 0:42:55 | |
He was diagnosed about 18 months ago. It may not be fatal, but it's getting progressively worse. | 0:42:55 | 0:43:00 | |
-Did anybody know? -Yeah, and this is the real kick in the teeth. | 0:43:00 | 0:43:03 | |
Karen Chapman brought Marcus York into Whittington Hospital A&E | 0:43:03 | 0:43:07 | |
at 10.37pm on 20th December 2009. | 0:43:07 | 0:43:12 | |
-The 20th? -The night Eddie Chapman was killed. | 0:43:12 | 0:43:14 | |
According to a medical report, York had been at a party and gone outside for some air. | 0:43:14 | 0:43:18 | |
He was feeling a bit light-headed and realised he was in the early stages of a seizure, | 0:43:18 | 0:43:23 | |
similar to the one that we've just witnessed. He called up Karen and got her to take him to the hospital. | 0:43:23 | 0:43:27 | |
That's why he didn't go back into the party. | 0:43:27 | 0:43:30 | |
The reason he claimed he had is because he didn't want anybody to find out where he really was. | 0:43:30 | 0:43:35 | |
-I don't suppose there's any chance that afterwards... -No, he was kept in overnight and Karen was with him. | 0:43:35 | 0:43:40 | |
-And that's his real alibi. -And it's watertight. | 0:43:40 | 0:43:43 | |
We've been after the wrong guy. | 0:43:43 | 0:43:45 | |
-It's not the end of the world. -Thank you, Gerry. | 0:43:45 | 0:43:47 | |
-Someone killed Chapman. -Just not Marcus York. | 0:43:47 | 0:43:50 | |
How can the pieces fit together so well and yet the picture they make is so wrong? | 0:43:50 | 0:43:55 | |
We were probably punching above our weight going after Marcus York in the first place. | 0:43:55 | 0:44:00 | |
Let Barlow's lot deal with him. | 0:44:00 | 0:44:02 | |
-What? -Punching above our weight? -Yeah. well, no... | 0:44:03 | 0:44:08 | |
What I mean is, if... | 0:44:08 | 0:44:10 | |
-Sandra? -See you in the morning. | 0:44:16 | 0:44:19 | |
What was that about? | 0:44:25 | 0:44:27 | |
As if I ever know the answer to that question. | 0:44:27 | 0:44:31 | |
Sandra? | 0:44:31 | 0:44:33 | |
Stuart told me that all I'm doing is cleaning up the mess left by detectives who aren't as good as me. | 0:44:35 | 0:44:40 | |
-Well, that's not true. -No? -No. | 0:44:40 | 0:44:42 | |
Sometimes we clear up the mess left by detectives who are better than you. | 0:44:42 | 0:44:46 | |
-Everybody makes mistakes. -And we clean them up. -When we can. | 0:44:46 | 0:44:50 | |
-I should be out there, Jack. -Doing something important? -No, that's... | 0:44:50 | 0:44:54 | |
Look, I don't give a stuff what Stuart Barlow or anybody else thinks about UCOS | 0:44:54 | 0:44:58 | |
but giving unsolved cases another go round IS important. | 0:44:58 | 0:45:02 | |
If you want to leave because it isn't exciting or glamorous enough... | 0:45:02 | 0:45:06 | |
-I'm not saying that. -Or you're bored to death with three retired detectives | 0:45:06 | 0:45:09 | |
who moan about everything and drink tea all day long, fair enough. | 0:45:09 | 0:45:13 | |
But don't think for one second... | 0:45:13 | 0:45:16 | |
You are a good detective, Sandra, but nobody is too good for this job. | 0:45:18 | 0:45:22 | |
-Where are you two going? -Home. -Pub. Coming? | 0:45:26 | 0:45:29 | |
No, I'm not and neither are you. We're going to work out who killed Eddie Chapman. | 0:45:29 | 0:45:32 | |
-You're not serious? -Yes, I'm serious. | 0:45:32 | 0:45:35 | |
Punching above our weight, are we? We'll see about that! | 0:45:35 | 0:45:38 | |
Hi, Stuart, it's Sandra Pullman. I just wanted you to know we've struck out on the Chapman case. | 0:45:41 | 0:45:47 | |
We're going to drop it, so it's over to you now. | 0:45:47 | 0:45:50 | |
Give me a call if you want. OK, cheers. Bye. | 0:45:50 | 0:45:53 | |
This is on you. | 0:46:08 | 0:46:10 | |
Look what they did to me. | 0:46:10 | 0:46:12 | |
Now it's your turn. | 0:46:13 | 0:46:15 | |
Jack, this is ridiculous. There is no evidence here. | 0:46:15 | 0:46:18 | |
It's not that there isn't any to be found, it's just that we haven't found it. | 0:46:18 | 0:46:23 | |
Sandra was right, the pieces of this puzzle fit together perfectly. | 0:46:23 | 0:46:27 | |
Everything points to Marcus York killing Eddie Chapman, but we all know he couldn't have. | 0:46:27 | 0:46:32 | |
-If he didn't, then York's affair with Karen Chapman had nothing to do with Eddie Chapman's death. -Yes. | 0:46:32 | 0:46:38 | |
So why did Karen attack Stephanie because she told us? | 0:46:38 | 0:46:41 | |
Well, it's like Barlow said, it's a punishment. | 0:46:41 | 0:46:45 | |
I mean, as far as this lot's concerned, you just do not talk to the police, full stop. | 0:46:45 | 0:46:49 | |
Stephanie's lucky she didn't, she didn't turn out like... | 0:46:51 | 0:46:55 | |
-Like who? -Like Spike Worsley! | 0:46:56 | 0:46:59 | |
-He was killed because The Braves thought he was an informant. -So? | 0:47:00 | 0:47:04 | |
Well, this is, what, a month before Eddie Chapman died. | 0:47:04 | 0:47:08 | |
-Remember the date? -Yeah, the 17th November, just around 11 o'clock at night. | 0:47:08 | 0:47:13 | |
-Have you got Stephanie's statement? -What have you got, Brian? | 0:47:13 | 0:47:16 | |
You remember Stephanie claimed she saw Marcus York and Karen Chapman together in the hotel that night. | 0:47:16 | 0:47:23 | |
What's the date? | 0:47:23 | 0:47:24 | |
-November the 17th, so Marcus York couldn't have killed Spike Worsley either. -No. | 0:47:26 | 0:47:30 | |
How can we be making progress by finding more people that Marcus York didn't kill? | 0:47:30 | 0:47:35 | |
Because we shouldn't be looking for the "who", Jack, we need to find out the "why". | 0:47:35 | 0:47:40 | |
-Why was Spike Worsely killed? -Because The Braves thought he was a snout. | 0:47:40 | 0:47:45 | |
-But he wasn't. -No, but Jason Knowles was! | 0:47:45 | 0:47:48 | |
Now Eddie Chapman knew that Spike Worsley was innocent, | 0:47:48 | 0:47:51 | |
so what if he set out on his own to find the real informant? | 0:47:51 | 0:47:55 | |
-What and found out it was Knowles? -Yeah, and that's why Chapman was lambing off at Stephanie | 0:47:55 | 0:47:59 | |
about loyalty and betrayal. | 0:47:59 | 0:48:01 | |
Maybe it was Knowles who pointed the finger at Spike Worsley in the first place. | 0:48:01 | 0:48:04 | |
To divert suspicion from himself. | 0:48:04 | 0:48:08 | |
Now, David Parr was there the night Spike Worsley died. | 0:48:08 | 0:48:12 | |
-We need to find out what he saw and what he heard. -Right. -Come on then. | 0:48:12 | 0:48:17 | |
-OK, Reese, you don't want to do this. -You destroyed my life. | 0:48:17 | 0:48:21 | |
No, I didn't. Your father was murdered. | 0:48:21 | 0:48:24 | |
Your mother put your girlfriend in hospital and looking at that acid burn where your tattoo was, | 0:48:24 | 0:48:28 | |
-you've been thrown out the club. -I don't care about any of that. -What, then? Stephanie? | 0:48:28 | 0:48:33 | |
MOBILE RINGS | 0:48:33 | 0:48:34 | |
Ignore it. | 0:48:34 | 0:48:36 | |
There goes the cavalry. | 0:48:42 | 0:48:45 | |
-You're pointing a gun because your girlfriend won't talk to you? -She was the only thing that mattered. | 0:48:46 | 0:48:51 | |
-Why aren't you at the hospital telling her that? -Because she won't even see me. | 0:48:51 | 0:48:54 | |
Can you blame her? | 0:48:54 | 0:48:57 | |
-No. No, I blame you. You were supposed to protect her. -And I did. | 0:48:57 | 0:49:02 | |
I don't know how her name got out and I'm sorry. Let's not forget it was your mother that put her in hospital. | 0:49:02 | 0:49:07 | |
Reese. Reese, listen, put the gun down. | 0:49:07 | 0:49:09 | |
-You've got a bad chemical burn on your arm, let me get you medical attention. -No. | 0:49:09 | 0:49:13 | |
Put the gun down and we'll step outside, take a few breaths, and... | 0:49:13 | 0:49:17 | |
-You went outside! -What are you talking about? | 0:49:20 | 0:49:23 | |
-At the party. -I don't care about any of that. -Yes, yes, you do. | 0:49:24 | 0:49:28 | |
-You said that you saw Marcus York when you went outside. -Yeah. | 0:49:28 | 0:49:31 | |
-Why did you go outside? -Is this really how you want to spend your last few seconds? | 0:49:31 | 0:49:35 | |
-It was noisy, there was music playing. -So? | 0:49:35 | 0:49:37 | |
You said your father tried to call but didn't get through. That wasn't true, was it? | 0:49:37 | 0:49:41 | |
You went outside to take the call. You spoke to him. | 0:49:41 | 0:49:46 | |
Why didn't you tell us? | 0:49:46 | 0:49:48 | |
-Because we don't talk to cops. -Oh, grow up! | 0:49:48 | 0:49:51 | |
What did he say? | 0:49:53 | 0:49:55 | |
-He wasn't making any sense. -What did he say? | 0:49:56 | 0:49:59 | |
He was drunk, he was raving. He kept saying it wasn't Spike, over and over again. | 0:49:59 | 0:50:04 | |
-He said he knew who it was. -He knew who the informant was. | 0:50:04 | 0:50:07 | |
He said he wanted me to meet him, he said he needed my help. I didn't help him. I thought he was... | 0:50:07 | 0:50:12 | |
It's my fault. My dad, Stephanie, I didn't help them. I wasn't there for them. | 0:50:12 | 0:50:19 | |
-I lost them both because I didn't... -Oh, stop whining! | 0:50:19 | 0:50:23 | |
How many more times? I've got nothing to say to you. | 0:50:24 | 0:50:27 | |
-Who killed Spike Worsley? -I don't know. -Yes, you do. You were there. | 0:50:27 | 0:50:31 | |
-He left before. -No he didn't. Who killed him, Mr Parr? | 0:50:31 | 0:50:35 | |
-Was it Jason Knowles? -I've got nothing to say to you! | 0:50:35 | 0:50:38 | |
-I just want to be with my daughter. -Dad? -Get back into bed, Steph. | 0:50:38 | 0:50:42 | |
Why don't you just leave us alone? | 0:50:42 | 0:50:44 | |
Well, if you won't talk to us, then maybe you'll talk to the drugs squad. | 0:50:44 | 0:50:49 | |
We know you smuggle drugs in from Rotterdam for The Braves. | 0:50:49 | 0:50:54 | |
The paper trail's tricky to follow, but I'm sure we could get there if we applied ourselves. | 0:50:54 | 0:50:59 | |
-Dad? -Go back inside! -Is that true? | 0:50:59 | 0:51:03 | |
Presumably it was Eddie Chapman's idea originally. | 0:51:03 | 0:51:05 | |
Then, when he was killed, The Braves wouldn't have wanted to lose their arrangement. | 0:51:05 | 0:51:10 | |
So what did they threaten you with? Kill you? Kill Stephanie? | 0:51:10 | 0:51:14 | |
Dad? | 0:51:15 | 0:51:17 | |
-I want a lawyer. -Listen, you talk to us about Spike Worsley, you won't need one. -No. | 0:51:18 | 0:51:25 | |
Whatever you threaten me with, it's nothing compared to... | 0:51:25 | 0:51:28 | |
-It was Karen Chapman who attacked me. -No, Stephanie! | 0:51:28 | 0:51:31 | |
-I'll make a statement. -No! -I'll stand up in court. | 0:51:31 | 0:51:34 | |
I want those animals out of our lives. | 0:51:34 | 0:51:36 | |
And I want Reese to know what really happened to his dad so he can get away from them. | 0:51:36 | 0:51:41 | |
I don't want us all to be frightened any more. | 0:51:41 | 0:51:44 | |
Tell them what happened. | 0:51:46 | 0:51:49 | |
Oh, right. | 0:51:56 | 0:51:58 | |
Knowles killed Spike. He was the grass. | 0:51:59 | 0:52:02 | |
He said he'd kill Stephanie if anybody found out. | 0:52:05 | 0:52:09 | |
But Eddie did. Eddie found out all about him. | 0:52:09 | 0:52:12 | |
And I warned Knowles, to protect my daughter. | 0:52:13 | 0:52:16 | |
I got my best friend killed. | 0:52:16 | 0:52:19 | |
What's happened to you? | 0:52:22 | 0:52:24 | |
-Reese Chapman happened. -Are you all right? -Yeah, I'm fine. | 0:52:24 | 0:52:28 | |
He's not, though, I broke his nose. He's upstairs making a statement. | 0:52:28 | 0:52:31 | |
-Eddie Chapman was killed by Jason Knowles. -Yes, we know. | 0:52:31 | 0:52:35 | |
He killed Spike Worsley too, under orders from York. | 0:52:35 | 0:52:37 | |
David Parr saw it happen. He'll make a statement. | 0:52:37 | 0:52:42 | |
I've been sitting here wondering what to do about Knowles. I mean, he's committed two murders, | 0:52:42 | 0:52:47 | |
and yet if we nick him then Stuart looses his informant. | 0:52:47 | 0:52:50 | |
Two murders. It hardly puts him in the big league as far as Marcus York and the like are concerned. | 0:52:50 | 0:52:55 | |
We can't get York, but we can get Knowles. | 0:52:55 | 0:52:58 | |
-And you're talking about letting it go?! -For the greater good. -Is it? | 0:52:58 | 0:53:03 | |
Jack, the murder of two particularly nasty gang members set against the possibility | 0:53:03 | 0:53:08 | |
that Knowles could help Barlow bring down an entire criminal organisation. | 0:53:08 | 0:53:12 | |
-And then what else do we turn a blind eye to? -Exactly. | 0:53:12 | 0:53:14 | |
No, I'm not taking sides here, I'm just going round in circles. | 0:53:14 | 0:53:17 | |
When Barlow's lot move in, Knowles will get done for the murders anyway. | 0:53:17 | 0:53:21 | |
He'll set them against all the information he's provided and walk away scot free. | 0:53:21 | 0:53:26 | |
I still think that's a small price to pay to get rid of The Braves AND their European contacts. | 0:53:26 | 0:53:31 | |
We need to get Strickland in on this. | 0:53:31 | 0:53:33 | |
How did you get David Parr to talk? | 0:53:39 | 0:53:42 | |
You didn't tell him we know about the drugs? | 0:53:43 | 0:53:45 | |
Brian? | 0:53:46 | 0:53:48 | |
Christ, Brian. What if it hadn't worked? | 0:53:50 | 0:53:53 | |
Parr could have gone straight to The Braves and Stuart's operation would be up the spout! | 0:53:53 | 0:53:57 | |
It is up the spout. | 0:53:57 | 0:53:59 | |
And the dilemma about whether we let Jason Knowles off or not isn't a dilemma any more. | 0:53:59 | 0:54:04 | |
Well, what does that mean? | 0:54:04 | 0:54:06 | |
April 6th, 2001, Jason Knowles participated in an armed robbery of a security van in the Old Kent Road. | 0:54:06 | 0:54:14 | |
-So? -There was no such robbery. | 0:54:14 | 0:54:16 | |
It's on his file, Brian. He's got a criminal record. | 0:54:16 | 0:54:19 | |
It didn't happen and neither did any of these assaults he was charged with. | 0:54:19 | 0:54:23 | |
-What are you talking about, Brian? -They're all...they're all on the record but they're not in here. | 0:54:23 | 0:54:29 | |
I have no memory of them. So I've just been checking it out. | 0:54:29 | 0:54:32 | |
The judge who supposedly tried the armed robbery case was presiding over a fraud trial at the time, | 0:54:32 | 0:54:38 | |
-in a completely different court. -Are you saying that the records have been doctored? | 0:54:38 | 0:54:43 | |
Oh, no. | 0:54:44 | 0:54:46 | |
I think you do need to talk to Strickland. | 0:54:46 | 0:54:49 | |
-I keep doing that and nothing happens. -Click on the icon. -Which icon? -That one, there. | 0:54:50 | 0:54:56 | |
-Proper night owls, you lot, aren't you? -Yeah, yeah. That's us, yeah. | 0:54:56 | 0:55:00 | |
-What's going on? -Uh, I think they're waiting for you, Stuart. | 0:55:00 | 0:55:04 | |
This can't be good. | 0:55:04 | 0:55:05 | |
Close the door, Stuart. | 0:55:14 | 0:55:15 | |
This looks serious. | 0:55:18 | 0:55:21 | |
-Jason Knowles. -What about him? | 0:55:21 | 0:55:23 | |
He killed Eddie Chapman. | 0:55:23 | 0:55:25 | |
-No, he didn't. -And he killed Spike Worsley. | 0:55:26 | 0:55:29 | |
-Look, Jack, please! -We have a witness. -David Parr. | 0:55:29 | 0:55:33 | |
-David Parr, the drug smuggler? He's having you on. -No. | 0:55:35 | 0:55:41 | |
-It's not possible. -Why not, Stuart? -It's just not possible. | 0:55:41 | 0:55:46 | |
It's not possible, because Jason Knowles isn't merely an informant, is he? | 0:55:46 | 0:55:50 | |
He's an undercover police officer. | 0:55:50 | 0:55:53 | |
-You certain he did this? -Yeah. | 0:56:02 | 0:56:04 | |
Following Spike Worsley's death, Eddie Chapman discovered the truth about Jason Knowles. | 0:56:04 | 0:56:11 | |
-How? -That's what Chapman was doing in Rotterdam. | 0:56:11 | 0:56:14 | |
Your joint operation with the Dutch Police. You share information. | 0:56:14 | 0:56:19 | |
Someone over there leaked it or sold it. | 0:56:19 | 0:56:21 | |
Eddie told David Parr what he'd discovered. | 0:56:22 | 0:56:25 | |
Parr warned Knowles, because Knowles told him he would kill Stephanie if anyone found out. | 0:56:25 | 0:56:31 | |
Did you know about this, Stuart? | 0:56:31 | 0:56:33 | |
No. No, I didn't. | 0:56:35 | 0:56:38 | |
I told Jason about Stephanie. | 0:56:41 | 0:56:43 | |
When she first came to see you. I...told him. | 0:56:44 | 0:56:49 | |
He was one of us. | 0:56:51 | 0:56:53 | |
At some point, I'm afraid, he became one of them. | 0:56:54 | 0:56:59 | |
You understand that this means your operation is fatally compromised. | 0:56:59 | 0:57:03 | |
-Yeah. -And there'll almost certainly be an enquiry. -Yeah. | 0:57:03 | 0:57:09 | |
No-one wants to believe you had knowledge of any of this. | 0:57:09 | 0:57:13 | |
-Happened on my watch, though. -Yes, yes, it did. | 0:57:13 | 0:57:17 | |
Good job. | 0:57:24 | 0:57:26 | |
Yeah, cheers, mate. Ta-ra. | 0:57:38 | 0:57:40 | |
Karen Chapman was arrested 20 minutes ago. | 0:57:40 | 0:57:43 | |
Apparently she went nuts, it took five wooden tops to restrain her. | 0:57:43 | 0:57:48 | |
-That's a happy ending of sorts. -Not for Stuart Barlow, it isn't. | 0:57:48 | 0:57:51 | |
Even the best of us make mistakes, Sandra. | 0:57:51 | 0:57:53 | |
I'm just glad we were here to clear up the mess! | 0:57:53 | 0:57:57 | |
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# Doesn't really matter if you're old and grey | 0:58:02 | 0:58:05 | |
# It's all right, I say, it's OK | 0:58:05 | 0:58:08 | |
# Listen to what I say | 0:58:08 | 0:58:10 | |
# It's all right, you're doing fine | 0:58:11 | 0:58:13 | |
# It doesn't really matter if the sun don't shine | 0:58:13 | 0:58:16 | |
# It's all right, I say, it's OK | 0:58:16 | 0:58:19 | |
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