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Heir hunters spend their lives tracking down the families of people who died without leaving a will. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
They hand over thousands of pounds to long-lost relatives | 0:00:07 | 0:00:10 | |
who had no idea they were in line for a windfall. | 0:00:10 | 0:00:13 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:13 | 0:00:15 | |
On today's programme, the team find themselves | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
up to their armpits in heirs. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:38 | |
With the amount of people that are involved and the size of the tree, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:43 | |
people will be lucky if they get tuppence ha'penny at this rate. | 0:00:43 | 0:00:47 | |
And there's a surprise in store for one heir who believed her family were poor. | 0:00:47 | 0:00:51 | |
This was a complete surprise to me. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
My family had no money at all. Nothing. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:59 | |
Plus the unclaimed estates sitting dormant at the Treasury, | 0:00:59 | 0:01:03 | |
are you about to inherit a fortune? | 0:01:03 | 0:01:06 | |
Every year in Britain, over two thirds of people die without leaving a will, | 0:01:12 | 0:01:16 | |
and when no heir can be found, their money goes to the Government. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
Last year, the Treasury made a colossal £18 million from unclaimed estates, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:25 | |
while only £6.5 million was ever claimed back by heirs. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:29 | |
Hoping to gain a commission, more than 30 probate research companies | 0:01:32 | 0:01:37 | |
race against one another to track down and sign up long lost relatives entitled to inherit. | 0:01:37 | 0:01:43 | |
Hello. Sheila Kingsland? | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
-Hello, David. -Hello, there. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:47 | |
Fraser & Fraser is one of the oldest firms of heir hunters in Britain, | 0:01:47 | 0:01:52 | |
and is run by Andrew, Neil and Charles Fraser. | 0:01:52 | 0:01:54 | |
One of the areas I enjoy is the sort of mystery element of it. | 0:01:54 | 0:01:59 | |
Each family is different from the previous one that we've looked at, | 0:01:59 | 0:02:03 | |
and it's totally different from the next one that we look at. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:06 | |
In its 30 year history, the company has clawed back over £100 million | 0:02:08 | 0:02:13 | |
from the Government and handed it back to more than 50,000 fortunate heirs. | 0:02:13 | 0:02:18 | |
It's 11am, and the team are having an extraordinarily busy morning. | 0:02:24 | 0:02:28 | |
They're overrun with the names of people who died without leaving a will, | 0:02:28 | 0:02:32 | |
but they only have the place and date they died | 0:02:32 | 0:02:35 | |
with no way of knowing how valuable the estates are. | 0:02:35 | 0:02:38 | |
All right, I've done one, two and 12. Any more? | 0:02:38 | 0:02:42 | |
The team do a search on each name | 0:02:42 | 0:02:44 | |
to find out if they owned a house and are therefore likely to have the highest value. | 0:02:44 | 0:02:49 | |
-Well, there's nothing coming up as her owning the property. -She did. | 0:02:49 | 0:02:54 | |
They have to be pretty sure which cases are financially viable. | 0:02:54 | 0:02:59 | |
-Well, the ground floor flat. -I believe was the deceased's. | 0:02:59 | 0:03:02 | |
The point is, she did live there, right? | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
So, we've got to get that death before we know where we're going, | 0:03:07 | 0:03:10 | |
so we know which birth's right, so we might as well go down to Paul. | 0:03:10 | 0:03:13 | |
-Either way, there's a flat there with money on it. There was money in it at some point. -Yeah, it's a possibility. | 0:03:15 | 0:03:20 | |
Widow Hilda Bentley Watkinson died in Poole, Dorset, in 2008. | 0:03:22 | 0:03:29 | |
Known to friends as Babs, | 0:03:29 | 0:03:31 | |
she at one time owned a High Street flat with her late husband, | 0:03:31 | 0:03:35 | |
opposite Peter Mallory's second hand furniture shop. | 0:03:35 | 0:03:39 | |
Well, I'd known Babs for a few years. | 0:03:41 | 0:03:43 | |
She was a bubbly, | 0:03:43 | 0:03:46 | |
fun loving lady. | 0:03:46 | 0:03:47 | |
She was very friendly with people, | 0:03:47 | 0:03:51 | |
and if she could help you in any way, she would. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:56 | |
I hadn't realised that she had died last year and I know that, | 0:03:56 | 0:04:01 | |
from my point of view, she's going to be sadly missed. | 0:04:01 | 0:04:05 | |
The team believe that Hilda sold her flat in 2006 for £120,000, | 0:04:07 | 0:04:12 | |
but have no subsequent address for her. | 0:04:12 | 0:04:16 | |
They need to get a researcher on the road to find out more. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:22 | |
Right, listen, mate, we've got a shed load of jobs out here. | 0:04:22 | 0:04:26 | |
-'There's something down in Poole in Dorset.' -Right. | 0:04:26 | 0:04:29 | |
-'Could you pop down there?' -Pop down to Poole? Okey-doke. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
Frasers employ a team of travelling heir hunters based all over the country | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
who await the call to be sent wherever the search takes them. | 0:04:39 | 0:04:43 | |
They follow up leads and hunches and glean as much information | 0:04:43 | 0:04:46 | |
-as they can about the deceased by knocking on doors and collecting certificates. -Thanks very much. | 0:04:46 | 0:04:52 | |
Hoping to track down an heir before the competition beats them to it. | 0:04:52 | 0:04:56 | |
Looking for Hilda's last place of residence, | 0:05:01 | 0:05:04 | |
senior researcher Bob Barrett | 0:05:04 | 0:05:06 | |
is at Poole Register Office collecting her death certificate. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:10 | |
Right, I've got the death certificate for Hilda Watkinson. | 0:05:10 | 0:05:13 | |
It tells you that she died in a nursing home in Branscombe, | 0:05:13 | 0:05:17 | |
which I don't think is too far away. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:19 | |
Now the team know that Hilda | 0:05:21 | 0:05:23 | |
spent the last two years of her life in a nursing home. | 0:05:23 | 0:05:26 | |
This has huge financial implications. | 0:05:26 | 0:05:29 | |
Although her flat sold for £120,000 in 2006, | 0:05:29 | 0:05:34 | |
her care fees will have made a hefty impact on her finances. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
Value wise on this, our feeling at the moment is that, | 0:05:37 | 0:05:40 | |
although she didn't own the property where she's passed away, | 0:05:40 | 0:05:43 | |
and she possibly owned the property prior to moving into this residential care environment, | 0:05:43 | 0:05:48 | |
so it's a bit hard to say what the value is, | 0:05:48 | 0:05:50 | |
but we think there's going to be something there, it's not, however, going to be huge. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:54 | |
Probably between 50,000 and 100,000, maybe. | 0:05:54 | 0:05:58 | |
It's quite a drop from their initial calculations. | 0:05:58 | 0:06:02 | |
Nursing homes can make a significant dent in people's savings, | 0:06:02 | 0:06:05 | |
as Elizabeth Feltoe from Help The Aged explains. | 0:06:05 | 0:06:09 | |
By far the most popular place to retire in the UK | 0:06:09 | 0:06:12 | |
is along the south coast somewhere. | 0:06:12 | 0:06:14 | |
The statistics show us that in the south west of England | 0:06:14 | 0:06:17 | |
and the south east of England, | 0:06:17 | 0:06:19 | |
there is a very large proportion of older people in those areas. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
If you live in the south of England, you're a female and you're over 85, | 0:06:23 | 0:06:28 | |
you have a one in five chance of living in a care home towards the end of your life. | 0:06:28 | 0:06:32 | |
It's a big proportion of people. | 0:06:32 | 0:06:34 | |
The south coast is without doubt the care home capital of the UK. | 0:06:34 | 0:06:39 | |
Poole has an enormous proportion of homes for the elderly. | 0:06:39 | 0:06:43 | |
Enticed by the clement weather, coastal air and sandy beaches, | 0:06:43 | 0:06:47 | |
it's a popular choice for people wishing | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
to retire by the seaside, but care can cost as much as £1,000 a week. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:55 | |
If you're paying for a care home out of your own wealth, and it's on average about £25,000 a year, | 0:06:55 | 0:07:01 | |
you can imagine in three or four years you've eaten up, basically, £100,000, | 0:07:01 | 0:07:06 | |
and that's as an average. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:07 | |
It could be a lot more than that. | 0:07:07 | 0:07:09 | |
So, it really does reduce the value of people's capital in a really big way. | 0:07:09 | 0:07:13 | |
Nice to meet you, anyway. Thanks a lot. Bye-bye. | 0:07:15 | 0:07:18 | |
Bob is hoping the nursing home will hold records on Hilda, | 0:07:18 | 0:07:21 | |
and someone may remember details of family and friends who visited her. | 0:07:21 | 0:07:26 | |
The staff wouldn't give me any information at all | 0:07:30 | 0:07:34 | |
until they had spoken to their manager, | 0:07:34 | 0:07:37 | |
who's not back till Monday. | 0:07:37 | 0:07:39 | |
OK, well, to be quite honest with you at the moment there's nothing else. | 0:07:39 | 0:07:42 | |
They're all from the Croydon area. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
Yeah, I see she was born in Mitcham. | 0:07:45 | 0:07:47 | |
You're probably in the wrong part of the country. | 0:07:47 | 0:07:49 | |
OK. Well, I'll start heading back towards Surrey, then, and wait to hear. | 0:07:49 | 0:07:54 | |
-Absolutely, yeah. -OK, Frances. | 0:07:54 | 0:07:57 | |
-All right. -Bye, now. | 0:07:57 | 0:07:59 | |
Bob heads back to the area Hilda was born in. | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
To move this case forward, they need to know who Hilda's parents and siblings were, | 0:08:02 | 0:08:08 | |
etching in the blanks of her family tree, generation by generation, | 0:08:08 | 0:08:12 | |
until they find her heirs. | 0:08:12 | 0:08:13 | |
We've pretty much decided now there isn't any near kin on this, | 0:08:13 | 0:08:18 | |
which means we're certainly going back. | 0:08:18 | 0:08:20 | |
It means we're researching cousins. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:23 | |
Looking firstly for the uncles and aunts of the deceased, | 0:08:23 | 0:08:25 | |
so the brothers and sisters of the parents of the deceased, | 0:08:25 | 0:08:28 | |
and from there we're going to find their descendants and come down. | 0:08:28 | 0:08:32 | |
Hilda Bentley Watkinson and her husband, Ronald, | 0:08:32 | 0:08:35 | |
are believed to have had no children, | 0:08:35 | 0:08:38 | |
so there are no descendants to trace from their marriage. | 0:08:38 | 0:08:42 | |
Moving up the tree, Hilda had a brother, Stanley, | 0:08:42 | 0:08:46 | |
but he died as a baby. | 0:08:46 | 0:08:47 | |
So, the team will begin their search by tracing her parents, | 0:08:49 | 0:08:53 | |
Richard Elmes and Beatrice Pocock. | 0:08:53 | 0:08:56 | |
Case manager Dave Slee is starting enquiries. | 0:08:56 | 0:09:00 | |
So far... You've caught me just at the early stages. | 0:09:00 | 0:09:03 | |
We've been able to find the father's birth in 1890 in West Ham, | 0:09:03 | 0:09:08 | |
and he was the son of Richard Thomas Elmes | 0:09:08 | 0:09:11 | |
and Mary Anne, we don't know her maiden name yet, | 0:09:11 | 0:09:14 | |
and we've picked them up from the 1901 census. | 0:09:14 | 0:09:17 | |
In fact, today's our first opportunity | 0:09:17 | 0:09:20 | |
to run with the 1911 census, | 0:09:20 | 0:09:21 | |
which is now just online for the first time, | 0:09:21 | 0:09:25 | |
which has been really helpful. | 0:09:25 | 0:09:28 | |
The census is taken every 10 years and lists all households and people in the country. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:34 | |
It includes details of age, marital status, number of children and type of work. | 0:09:34 | 0:09:40 | |
The information is released to the public after 100 years. | 0:09:40 | 0:09:43 | |
But after pressure from people keen to trace their own ancestors, | 0:09:44 | 0:09:48 | |
the 1911 census became available online three years early, a huge boon to the team. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:54 | |
The 1911 census gives far more information because they actually ask on the census, for the first time, | 0:09:56 | 0:10:03 | |
how many children did you have from your marriage. | 0:10:03 | 0:10:06 | |
So our aim now is to look to find aunts and uncles of her father's family, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:09 | |
the paternal family, and aunts and uncles of the maternal family, the Pococks. | 0:10:09 | 0:10:16 | |
Can you also, then... | 0:10:16 | 0:10:17 | |
You're now doing Roberts, as well. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:20 | |
The office is snowed under with work this morning, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:23 | |
and Hilda Watkinson's case gets delegated to another member of the team. | 0:10:23 | 0:10:28 | |
Fran? | 0:10:28 | 0:10:30 | |
Watkins. | 0:10:30 | 0:10:32 | |
Fran is now leading Hilda's case. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:35 | |
The issues search from the marriage has been done. | 0:10:35 | 0:10:38 | |
There's their dates. No probates, we don't think, but I'm going to check those in a minute. | 0:10:38 | 0:10:42 | |
While Dave gets sent to the Probate Registry Office to look for wills. | 0:10:42 | 0:10:48 | |
They usually contain vital family links, | 0:10:48 | 0:10:51 | |
and the Principal Probate Registry in London retains copies of all wills in England and Wales | 0:10:51 | 0:10:57 | |
since 1858. What's more, it's only minutes from Frasers' office. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:02 | |
Fran has to pick up where Dave left off. | 0:11:02 | 0:11:05 | |
The team often have to work on several cases at once, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:07 | |
and need to be able to swap jobs at a moment's notice. | 0:11:07 | 0:11:10 | |
I haven't got a Henry who was born in '74. | 0:11:10 | 0:11:16 | |
At the moment, we're still identifying the births | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
of the aunts and uncles of the deceased on the maternal side of the family. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:24 | |
As he finds them, Alan's calling them out and I'm writing them down on the tree. | 0:11:24 | 0:11:30 | |
The new census has proved a triumph in tracking down Hilda's mother's family but, | 0:11:30 | 0:11:36 | |
astonishingly, it tells them she is one of 10 children. | 0:11:36 | 0:11:40 | |
We're just trying to identify birth records, | 0:11:40 | 0:11:45 | |
find death records and try and get the family together that way. | 0:11:45 | 0:11:49 | |
Fran is keeping her cool, but she knows that from those 10 children, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:56 | |
there are bound to be dozens and dozens of descendants | 0:11:56 | 0:12:00 | |
and she needs to account for every last one of them. | 0:12:00 | 0:12:04 | |
Everyone is poring over one scribbled tree. | 0:12:04 | 0:12:07 | |
Jesse, who died up in Congleton, she's left a probate. | 0:12:07 | 0:12:11 | |
But every time Fran tries to get it copied, | 0:12:11 | 0:12:13 | |
more and more information gets tacked on the end. | 0:12:13 | 0:12:17 | |
See if you can find him dead on the machines or alive before you do a marriage. | 0:12:17 | 0:12:22 | |
The maternal line is exploding with descendants that could lead to an heir. | 0:12:22 | 0:12:26 | |
Would you be so kind, while I start to make up this damn tree, | 0:12:26 | 0:12:30 | |
could you give Bernard a ring? | 0:12:30 | 0:12:32 | |
And in the midst of the mayhem, there's a call from Dave Slee. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:36 | |
He's struck gold. | 0:12:36 | 0:12:38 | |
He's just picked up the probate for Edward Pocock, | 0:12:38 | 0:12:43 | |
paternal uncle of the deceased. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:45 | |
Excellent news, because it mentions that he had four daughters, | 0:12:45 | 0:12:51 | |
and there's also mention of a grandson, Cliff Conden. | 0:12:51 | 0:12:56 | |
Edward Pocock was Hilda's maternal uncle. | 0:12:56 | 0:13:00 | |
He had a whopping seven children, Doris, Florence, Louisa, | 0:13:00 | 0:13:05 | |
Laura, Rosie and two more who died as infants. | 0:13:05 | 0:13:09 | |
Florence had just one child, | 0:13:09 | 0:13:11 | |
Clifford, Hilda's cousin once removed, | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
and the team's first heir. | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
With Clifford lined up | 0:13:16 | 0:13:17 | |
for an appointment, | 0:13:17 | 0:13:19 | |
Bob Barrett is sent to sign him up. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:21 | |
-When's he born? -September 1933. | 0:13:21 | 0:13:26 | |
But by the looks of the tree, Clifford is just the tip of the iceberg. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:32 | |
-This Bernard is alive and well and on the phone. -I need to get somebody down to Southampton. | 0:13:32 | 0:13:37 | |
If they're going to stay one step ahead of the competition and scoop up all these heirs, | 0:13:37 | 0:13:42 | |
they'll have to have more people on the job. | 0:13:42 | 0:13:45 | |
With several beneficiaries in Southampton, they need another traveller on the road quickly. | 0:13:45 | 0:13:51 | |
Right, I am... | 0:13:53 | 0:13:55 | |
somewhere between Portsmouth and the M25. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
Can you go to Southampton, please? | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
-Yes, I can, of course I can. -Have you got your overnight bag? | 0:14:02 | 0:14:07 | |
-'It's not going to be an overnight, is it?' -Well... | 0:14:07 | 0:14:10 | |
hopefully not, but there's a whole branch down in the Southampton area, | 0:14:10 | 0:14:15 | |
so kind of get yourself to Southampton and give me a ring. | 0:14:15 | 0:14:19 | |
All right, then. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
Cheers, then. Bye, bye. | 0:14:21 | 0:14:24 | |
There are now two travellers on this case and around 10 office staff. | 0:14:29 | 0:14:34 | |
The 11 page family tree is spilling off the desk | 0:14:34 | 0:14:37 | |
and the number of heirs has reached 15. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:40 | |
I can see us running out of men on the ground very quickly. I can see us having to bring someone else in. | 0:14:40 | 0:14:45 | |
The question is, have they got the manpower to get all the heirs, | 0:14:48 | 0:14:51 | |
or will Hilda's huge family get the better of them? | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
Heir hunters don't just come in the form of large city firms. | 0:15:04 | 0:15:08 | |
All over the country are freelance probate researchers, | 0:15:08 | 0:15:12 | |
helping people trace lost inheritances | 0:15:12 | 0:15:14 | |
and missing family members. | 0:15:14 | 0:15:17 | |
Cat Whiteaway has been a probate researcher since 1997 | 0:15:17 | 0:15:20 | |
and has solved over 100 cases. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
She started slowly, taking work on behalf of solicitors | 0:15:23 | 0:15:27 | |
and fitting the research in around her full time job as an academic. | 0:15:27 | 0:15:32 | |
But Cat's passion for family history and genealogy | 0:15:33 | 0:15:36 | |
has gradually taken over, | 0:15:36 | 0:15:38 | |
and she now solves about 30 cases a year | 0:15:38 | 0:15:41 | |
through the small heir hunting company she runs with her sister in Australia. | 0:15:41 | 0:15:45 | |
We work on cases together, so when we get stuck we can bounce ideas off each other, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:50 | |
mostly through the email system, but, I mean, we do talk regularly, | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
especially about cases and more to do with cases than to do with our own personal lives, actually. | 0:15:53 | 0:15:59 | |
Cat claims she can find almost anything, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:01 | |
and will track down missing assets, | 0:16:01 | 0:16:04 | |
reunite family members and locate heirs to unclaimed estates. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:07 | |
It's always quite nice to just keep going, | 0:16:09 | 0:16:11 | |
keep attacking a case until you find somebody, and most times I do. | 0:16:11 | 0:16:17 | |
One of her recent cases was that of Bertha Clark, | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
a widow who died in an alms house in Colchester | 0:16:23 | 0:16:27 | |
leaving an estate of over £21,000, but no next of kin. | 0:16:27 | 0:16:32 | |
Bertha's case was advertised in 2001. | 0:16:32 | 0:16:36 | |
Well, I start with the death certificate, really, | 0:16:36 | 0:16:39 | |
and work backwards from there searching for blood relatives. | 0:16:39 | 0:16:43 | |
It may not look like it at first, | 0:16:43 | 0:16:45 | |
but the death certificate holds an incredible amount of detail about Bertha's life. | 0:16:45 | 0:16:50 | |
It tells me that she was born in 1914 in London. | 0:16:52 | 0:16:55 | |
It also tells me that she was married, | 0:16:55 | 0:16:58 | |
so it says that she was the widow of a Mr Clark, | 0:16:58 | 0:17:01 | |
who was a soldier, a retired soldier, | 0:17:01 | 0:17:03 | |
who happened to live in Military Road, actually. | 0:17:03 | 0:17:06 | |
And from the death certificate I can order the birth certificate, | 0:17:06 | 0:17:10 | |
and on this it says her mother was Louisa Elizabeth Crossland and she was a domestic servant. | 0:17:10 | 0:17:16 | |
And the places where father's name would have been are left blank, so definitely illegitimate. | 0:17:16 | 0:17:24 | |
An illegitimate birth means there's no way of tracing or proving paternal relatives. | 0:17:24 | 0:17:30 | |
To be honest, I mean, my heart usually sinks when I see an illegitimacy | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
because that means I've got 50% less chance of actually finding relatives | 0:17:34 | 0:17:39 | |
because I lose the whole paternal bloodline to follow | 0:17:39 | 0:17:42 | |
and I've only got the maternal line. | 0:17:42 | 0:17:45 | |
Although it's difficult with one less parent, | 0:17:45 | 0:17:48 | |
it's actually quite intriguing to me to work out, you know, | 0:17:48 | 0:17:52 | |
or to try and find out, why they... | 0:17:52 | 0:17:54 | |
Or how they were brought up and who brought them up and what their circumstances were. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:59 | |
And with Bertha it's no different at all. | 0:17:59 | 0:18:01 | |
Cat wanted to find out more about Bertha's background. | 0:18:04 | 0:18:07 | |
Through the informant on her death certificate, | 0:18:07 | 0:18:11 | |
she tracked down Hyacinth Headland Smith, | 0:18:11 | 0:18:13 | |
a voluntary advocate who took care of Bertha | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
and her affairs in the years before she died. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:19 | |
I remember Bertha with fondness because she had a funny side, | 0:18:19 | 0:18:25 | |
a gentle side, a loving side | 0:18:25 | 0:18:27 | |
and also a little bit, you know, against authority. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
Bertha was somebody that I will always keep in my memory | 0:18:32 | 0:18:36 | |
because she was such a nice person. | 0:18:36 | 0:18:39 | |
She liked people, and people... | 0:18:39 | 0:18:41 | |
If there was anything that happened, she would always think, | 0:18:41 | 0:18:47 | |
you know, she should be there to help. | 0:18:47 | 0:18:50 | |
And that's one thing about what Bertha was like. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
She was very caring. | 0:18:54 | 0:18:56 | |
Bertha and Hyacinth became firm friends, | 0:18:59 | 0:19:02 | |
but Bertha was also a popular local character. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:05 | |
I think a lot of people liked her in Colchester, because you couldn't not know Bertha. | 0:19:05 | 0:19:10 | |
I think Marks & Spencer and other shops would accommodate her. | 0:19:10 | 0:19:16 | |
You know, she used to go and chat to the ladies | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
and then some of them would probably give her a chair to sit on | 0:19:19 | 0:19:23 | |
because she'll have the entire afternoon she probably spent in Marks & Spencer. | 0:19:23 | 0:19:28 | |
As Bertha's advocate, Hyacinth tried to persuade Bertha to make a will. | 0:19:28 | 0:19:33 | |
She didn't speak much of her family. | 0:19:33 | 0:19:36 | |
Like I'd say to her, you need to make a will, "No, no, my dear, I'll do it later. | 0:19:36 | 0:19:40 | |
"And, I've got money to give to the day centre," because the ladies who worked there, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
they looked after her well and she said, "Oh, I'll leave all my money to them," | 0:19:44 | 0:19:48 | |
you know, and things like that. | 0:19:48 | 0:19:50 | |
But I used to say to her, but you can't do that, they won't accept... | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
You've got to make a will. She'd say, "Oh, yes, yes." | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
And it would be another day go by, another month or whatever. | 0:19:56 | 0:20:00 | |
Hyacinth went out of her way to organise a memorial service for Bertha when she died, | 0:20:03 | 0:20:07 | |
and the number of people who attended is a testament to how popular she was. | 0:20:07 | 0:20:11 | |
I thought it would be a great tribute to her | 0:20:14 | 0:20:17 | |
for the people who didn't come to the funeral who wanted to mark respect for her, | 0:20:17 | 0:20:22 | |
that they'll come along. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
And there was quite a lot of people, even though it was a winter's Saturday morning, | 0:20:24 | 0:20:30 | |
a lot of people turned up and said all what they thought of her. | 0:20:30 | 0:20:33 | |
And I thought that was a very good tribute to her and her days when they knew her and liked her | 0:20:33 | 0:20:40 | |
and was very fond of her. | 0:20:40 | 0:20:42 | |
Hyacinth makes a point of visiting Bertha's grave twice a year, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:49 | |
at Christmas and on her birthday, to lay some flowers. | 0:20:49 | 0:20:52 | |
As Bertha's closest companion, | 0:20:55 | 0:20:57 | |
Hyacinth kept hold of a few of Bertha's photos and treasured letters | 0:20:57 | 0:21:01 | |
in the hope that one day someone would come forward and claim them. | 0:21:01 | 0:21:07 | |
Now Cat has the opportunity to see them and find out about Bertha's life. | 0:21:07 | 0:21:12 | |
I'm really pleased that you can give me some information about Bertha because, I mean, | 0:21:12 | 0:21:17 | |
I know she was illegitimate, but I don't know who brought her up or anything at all about her. | 0:21:17 | 0:21:22 | |
She did speak about never really having much to do with her mother. | 0:21:22 | 0:21:26 | |
Her birth mother? | 0:21:26 | 0:21:28 | |
Her birth mother. But her mother did work in services, | 0:21:28 | 0:21:32 | |
so Bertha was brought up in service, and I think her birth mother must have moved on. | 0:21:32 | 0:21:37 | |
I don't really know about that. | 0:21:37 | 0:21:39 | |
And then Bertha found love very late in her life, didn't she? | 0:21:39 | 0:21:42 | |
Yes, she did. I think she got married when she was 39 and I think he was in the Army. | 0:21:42 | 0:21:48 | |
-But you didn't meet him? -No, I didn't. | 0:21:48 | 0:21:51 | |
He died before I met her. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
And what else do you know? | 0:21:53 | 0:21:55 | |
I mean, like I said, I don't usually get this chance, actually. | 0:21:55 | 0:21:58 | |
I've got some correspondence that Bertha had, | 0:21:58 | 0:22:02 | |
from, you know, people all over the world. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
For instance, this from the White House. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:07 | |
That's incredible! | 0:22:07 | 0:22:08 | |
I know. It was a card from Gerald Ford and Betty Ford, you can have a look at that. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:14 | |
Wow! Why on earth...? | 0:22:14 | 0:22:18 | |
I think she used to write to a lot of people. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:21 | |
If somebody died, she'd write sending her sympathy to them. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
If somebody got married, she'd write and congratulate them. | 0:22:24 | 0:22:28 | |
And, as you can see, all through those letters and with the correspondence she had, | 0:22:28 | 0:22:33 | |
she was a very kind person. | 0:22:33 | 0:22:35 | |
-Do you keep them as part of your job, is that, you know... -Well, she was special. | 0:22:35 | 0:22:40 | |
Because all the other people that I have been partners with, they've either had people who... | 0:22:40 | 0:22:46 | |
They have relatives, but with Bertha because she didn't have a family, | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
I took it on myself to work and do everything for her. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:56 | |
So, when we found all these things in her house, I kept them, that should one day somebody wanted... | 0:22:56 | 0:23:03 | |
you know, found that she had relatives they could pass them to them. | 0:23:03 | 0:23:09 | |
Hyacinth was able to pass on photos and personal treasures | 0:23:09 | 0:23:14 | |
Cat simply wouldn't have found through any other source. | 0:23:14 | 0:23:17 | |
But on locating who they should be passed on to, | 0:23:18 | 0:23:21 | |
what would the heir to Bertha's legacy make of the windfall? | 0:23:21 | 0:23:25 | |
This was a complete surprise to me. | 0:23:25 | 0:23:28 | |
We thought it was a scam. | 0:23:28 | 0:23:31 | |
For every case that is solved, there are still thousands that stubbornly remain a mystery. | 0:23:37 | 0:23:43 | |
Currently, over 3,000 names drawn from across the country are on the Treasury's unsolved case list. | 0:23:43 | 0:23:50 | |
Their assets will be kept up to 30 years in the hope that eventually | 0:23:53 | 0:23:56 | |
someone will remember and come forward to claim their inheritance. | 0:23:56 | 0:24:01 | |
With estates valued at anything from 5,000 to millions of pounds, | 0:24:04 | 0:24:08 | |
the rightful heirs are out there somewhere. | 0:24:08 | 0:24:10 | |
John Edward Horton died in Holt Park, Leeds, in 2006. | 0:24:14 | 0:24:20 | |
His estate is still waiting to be claimed, | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
and if no relatives can be found, his money will go to the Government, | 0:24:23 | 0:24:27 | |
but could it be meant for you? | 0:24:27 | 0:24:28 | |
Etemongha Ayebinimigha died in 2006 in Muswell Hill, London. | 0:24:31 | 0:24:35 | |
Does this name stir any memories? | 0:24:35 | 0:24:39 | |
Are you a missing and entitled relative? | 0:24:39 | 0:24:43 | |
With hundreds of estates laying unclaimed every year, | 0:24:43 | 0:24:47 | |
your information could help this money reach its rightful heirs. | 0:24:47 | 0:24:51 | |
In the London office of Fraser & Fraser, | 0:24:59 | 0:25:02 | |
the team are working on the case of Hilda Watkinson. | 0:25:02 | 0:25:05 | |
She died in the affluent area of Poole in Dorset, | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
but spent the last two years of her life in a home. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:11 | |
With care fees taken into account, | 0:25:11 | 0:25:13 | |
the value of her estate is still in question. | 0:25:13 | 0:25:16 | |
We think there's going to be something there. It's not, however, going to be huge. | 0:25:17 | 0:25:21 | |
Probably between 50,000 and 100,000, maybe. | 0:25:21 | 0:25:25 | |
They need to make something back on this case. | 0:25:28 | 0:25:30 | |
The maternal family tree is 11 pages, the paternal a further three, | 0:25:30 | 0:25:37 | |
and they are using an enormous amount of manpower tracing and signing up heirs to Hilda's estate. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:42 | |
Fran is feeling the strain. | 0:25:43 | 0:25:45 | |
She's been on the case for over five hours without a break, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
and she just doesn't have enough people to cover the workload. | 0:25:48 | 0:25:52 | |
At the moment I have Dave Hadley in Southampton with four people to see. | 0:25:54 | 0:25:58 | |
I have Bob Barrett in the Surrey area with potentially two people to see. | 0:26:00 | 0:26:06 | |
With the amount of people that are involved and the size of the tree, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:12 | |
people will be like lucky if they get tuppence ha'penny at this rate. | 0:26:12 | 0:26:15 | |
Bob Barrett now has to convince Clifford, Hilda's first cousin once removed, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:24 | |
that it's worth signing with the company. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:26 | |
Even if it is only for tuppence ha'penny. | 0:26:26 | 0:26:29 | |
Hello, Mr Conden? Bob Barrett from Fraser and Fraser. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:35 | |
I think you were expecting me? I'm a bit early, is that OK? | 0:26:35 | 0:26:38 | |
-Yes, that's fine. -Thanks very much. | 0:26:38 | 0:26:40 | |
-They've explained at the office what it's all about? -Yes. -Excellent. | 0:26:40 | 0:26:44 | |
-Distant relatives. -Distant relatives, that's right. | 0:26:44 | 0:26:47 | |
What we don't know is how much the estate is valued at. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:53 | |
I do know that the person that died, died in a nursing home. | 0:26:53 | 0:26:57 | |
Now, the chances are some of the estate has been used to pay for nursing care, | 0:26:57 | 0:27:03 | |
but I've got no idea what's left. | 0:27:03 | 0:27:06 | |
The person concerned is a distant relative of my grandparents. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:12 | |
In fact, it was a cousin... | 0:27:12 | 0:27:14 | |
..of your mother. | 0:27:16 | 0:27:17 | |
Only the Treasury know the exact amount of Hilda's estate. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:22 | |
There are up to 35 maternal heirs alone at this stage, | 0:27:22 | 0:27:26 | |
all of them first cousins once and twice removed, | 0:27:26 | 0:27:29 | |
and all of them descended from the 10 children of Hilda's grandparents, | 0:27:29 | 0:27:33 | |
Richard Pocock and Eliza Bentley. | 0:27:33 | 0:27:35 | |
Just this Bloom stem here, | 0:27:38 | 0:27:40 | |
it looks like she had nine children and each one of them appears to have three, four, | 0:27:40 | 0:27:45 | |
possibly even five. I know one of them has six children. | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
We have them up to date, but some of them were born in the '40s, some of them born in the '20s. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:53 | |
They could have passed away and they could have had five children. | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
You can very quickly see how little each person is actually going to receive on this. | 0:27:57 | 0:28:02 | |
We think the whole estate is probably only £50,000 to £100,000, | 0:28:02 | 0:28:06 | |
and if they are only entitled to a tiny fraction of that, they may only be receiving £10 to £15. | 0:28:06 | 0:28:12 | |
This is a tough case for the heir hunters to make money on, but they have to complete it. | 0:28:13 | 0:28:19 | |
Most of the cases they started this morning have fallen through, | 0:28:19 | 0:28:23 | |
but they need to sign as many of Hilda's heirs as possible in order to get their piece of the pie. | 0:28:23 | 0:28:29 | |
Well, poor Dave Hadley is feeling quite sorry for himself, | 0:28:31 | 0:28:37 | |
because there seem to be quite a number of family members in the Southampton area | 0:28:37 | 0:28:43 | |
and he's figuring he's going to have to find himself a hotel for the night | 0:28:43 | 0:28:47 | |
because I've just given him addresses of four people to go and see, | 0:28:47 | 0:28:52 | |
so he's not getting home tonight. | 0:28:52 | 0:28:54 | |
Resigned to his fate, Dave Hadley begins trying to meet Hilda's heirs. | 0:28:56 | 0:29:01 | |
Well, I've just left a letter there for Mr Bloom. | 0:29:01 | 0:29:04 | |
I've got three more addresses to visit. I've spoken to the neighbour, | 0:29:04 | 0:29:07 | |
and she believes that | 0:29:07 | 0:29:10 | |
the gentleman I wanted to see, Mr Bloom, is on holiday. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:15 | |
Apparently he works abroad and goes away quite frequently, | 0:29:15 | 0:29:19 | |
and she believes he's away at the moment. | 0:29:19 | 0:29:22 | |
Dave leaves without a signed heir, and heads to the next address. | 0:29:24 | 0:29:29 | |
But Southampton is not the only place Fran needs a traveller. | 0:29:29 | 0:29:33 | |
The more heirs they find, | 0:29:33 | 0:29:35 | |
the further afield they spread. | 0:29:35 | 0:29:37 | |
And just when Bob Smith thought he was clocking off for the day... | 0:29:37 | 0:29:41 | |
I'm just about to ruin Bob Smith's day. He thought it was over, | 0:29:41 | 0:29:45 | |
and now I'm going to send him to Colchester, so he's going to love me! | 0:29:45 | 0:29:50 | |
Hello, Bob. How are you? | 0:29:51 | 0:29:54 | |
Well, it depends what you're going to say to me! | 0:29:54 | 0:29:56 | |
The first thing is where are you? | 0:29:56 | 0:29:58 | |
I'm in East London. | 0:29:58 | 0:30:00 | |
Ah! Sort of handy for going to Colchester kind of East London? | 0:30:00 | 0:30:05 | |
-OK, all right. -'Speak to you in a bit.' | 0:30:05 | 0:30:08 | |
All right, speak to you later. | 0:30:08 | 0:30:09 | |
Bob gets sent to Essex with limited information. | 0:30:09 | 0:30:14 | |
He's got to actually go door-knocking to get in with people | 0:30:14 | 0:30:19 | |
because we haven't got phone numbers. | 0:30:19 | 0:30:22 | |
At 5pm it's late in the day to be chancing it without appointments | 0:30:22 | 0:30:26 | |
but, ever aware of their competitors, they keep working. | 0:30:26 | 0:30:30 | |
Fran's still putting the tree on to the system. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:34 | |
Three travellers are still on the road and they now have a running total of 45 heirs. | 0:30:35 | 0:30:41 | |
A family tree this size, we could easily find 50 beneficiaries. | 0:30:42 | 0:30:46 | |
To get all this stuff together is going to take several weeks, possibly even a month. | 0:30:46 | 0:30:50 | |
But the admin side of things is the last thing on Bob's mind as he arrives in Essex. | 0:30:52 | 0:30:57 | |
He needs to find an heir first. | 0:30:57 | 0:31:00 | |
But things don't look too promising. | 0:31:04 | 0:31:07 | |
I don't believe it! | 0:31:07 | 0:31:10 | |
I've driven all the way over to Colchester this evening | 0:31:10 | 0:31:14 | |
to go and see a lady by the name of Mrs Goddard | 0:31:14 | 0:31:18 | |
who we believe is the first cousin once removed to our deceased. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be her, | 0:31:24 | 0:31:28 | |
at the address I'm given, it doesn't appear to be her usual residence. | 0:31:28 | 0:31:32 | |
It's like a holiday home and she's there once a week. | 0:31:32 | 0:31:35 | |
Bob Smith's had a wasted trip to Essex. | 0:31:35 | 0:31:38 | |
Bob Barrett has been from London to Poole and back to London again. | 0:31:38 | 0:31:43 | |
Dave Hadley is still in Southampton and Fran is still in the office. | 0:31:44 | 0:31:47 | |
It's been a tough day all round. | 0:31:47 | 0:31:51 | |
We have done so much research today. | 0:31:51 | 0:31:54 | |
We have an 11 page tree on the maternal side, | 0:31:54 | 0:31:57 | |
three pages on the other side. | 0:31:57 | 0:31:59 | |
We've had appointments to see beneficiaries this afternoon. | 0:31:59 | 0:32:03 | |
We have more people to see this evening, appointments tomorrow. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:08 | |
It's been a good day. | 0:32:08 | 0:32:09 | |
They found a staggering 45 heirs in one day. | 0:32:10 | 0:32:14 | |
The total amount of Hilda Bentley Watkinson's estate remains unknown | 0:32:14 | 0:32:18 | |
until the Treasury accept the claim by her heirs. | 0:32:18 | 0:32:21 | |
Though her heirs never knew her, she'll be remembered with fondness | 0:32:23 | 0:32:27 | |
as a bubbly and vivacious character by her friend and neighbour. | 0:32:27 | 0:32:31 | |
Yeah, you could always have a good laugh with her. | 0:32:33 | 0:32:35 | |
She tried not to sort of... | 0:32:35 | 0:32:37 | |
I think when her husband died she did sort of mellow out a bit, | 0:32:37 | 0:32:40 | |
but she was always quite funny, nice to talk to and, | 0:32:40 | 0:32:46 | |
yeah, she didn't want anything from people, really, you know? | 0:32:46 | 0:32:51 | |
All she wanted I suppose at the end of it was a bit of company. | 0:32:51 | 0:32:54 | |
Back on the case of Bertha Clark, Cat Whiteaway has been researching | 0:33:07 | 0:33:11 | |
her family history, trying to piece her life story together with more than just certificates. | 0:33:11 | 0:33:16 | |
Cat went to meet Bertha's closest companion, Hyacinth, who was able to pass on personal photos of Bertha | 0:33:19 | 0:33:25 | |
and give a little more detail of her life. | 0:33:25 | 0:33:28 | |
-And Bertha found love very late in her life, didn't she? -Yes, she did. | 0:33:28 | 0:33:33 | |
I think she got married when she was 39 and I think he was in the Army. | 0:33:33 | 0:33:38 | |
But Bertha's early years are still a mystery. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:41 | |
Cat's come to London to locate the address on the birth certificate. | 0:33:44 | 0:33:50 | |
She wants to build a picture of the life Bertha | 0:33:50 | 0:33:52 | |
was born into so she can pass on a more complete portrait to her heir. | 0:33:52 | 0:33:56 | |
This is great because I get the chance to find out where they lived, | 0:33:56 | 0:34:01 | |
which gives me a bit more of a picture about exactly how they were brought up, | 0:34:01 | 0:34:06 | |
what the area was like, what their parents might have done and all sorts of different details. | 0:34:06 | 0:34:11 | |
So, instead of just this piece of paper, I get a feel for the person. | 0:34:11 | 0:34:15 | |
And, if I can, I love to do this. | 0:34:15 | 0:34:17 | |
The address has led her to London's East End and a building that used to be a workhouse and infirmary. | 0:34:18 | 0:34:25 | |
204 Hoxton Street, St Leonards, Shoreditch, offices for the relief of the poor. | 0:34:26 | 0:34:32 | |
If this is where she was born, then I'm just wondering whether it was like a parish relief place, you know? | 0:34:32 | 0:34:38 | |
Where people who didn't have enough money, or perhaps it's a home for unmarried mothers. | 0:34:38 | 0:34:43 | |
Louisa was a 39 year old domestic servant when she had Bertha. | 0:34:46 | 0:34:51 | |
According to East End historian Rachel Kolsky, | 0:34:51 | 0:34:54 | |
this would have been a pretty desperate situation for her. | 0:34:54 | 0:34:59 | |
Bertha was born at 204 Hoxton Street. | 0:34:59 | 0:35:01 | |
That was not an address to aspire to. It was a very, | 0:35:01 | 0:35:05 | |
very sort of dirty and noisy place to live. | 0:35:05 | 0:35:09 | |
The existence would have been very hard. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:12 | |
A workhouse was a workhouse. | 0:35:14 | 0:35:15 | |
If you were given a roof over your head in a workhouse, you had to work | 0:35:15 | 0:35:19 | |
and so even as a new mother you would have had work to do | 0:35:19 | 0:35:24 | |
and it was hard work, it was tedious work, it was dirty work. | 0:35:24 | 0:35:27 | |
People did anything to avoid the workhouse. | 0:35:27 | 0:35:29 | |
You're unmarried, you've been a servant, you're pregnant, you've been turned out. | 0:35:29 | 0:35:36 | |
Louisa didn't have many options open to her at that time. | 0:35:36 | 0:35:39 | |
In this grim situation and having gone to the workhouse to have | 0:35:39 | 0:35:43 | |
her baby, what choice would Louisa have had but to give her baby up? | 0:35:43 | 0:35:49 | |
There are no records of where Bertha spent her childhood. | 0:35:50 | 0:35:53 | |
Well, because Bertha was illegitimate, I mean, it's hard to know who actually brought her up, | 0:35:53 | 0:35:58 | |
but what was really fascinating, later on when I came across | 0:35:58 | 0:36:02 | |
her mother's marriage certificate in 1938... | 0:36:02 | 0:36:05 | |
So, I've got Louisa getting married to Thomas Camp at the age of 63 | 0:36:05 | 0:36:11 | |
and one of the witnesses is Bertha herself, so that's fantastic | 0:36:11 | 0:36:14 | |
to know that at 28 she was close enough to her mum to be her witness. | 0:36:14 | 0:36:20 | |
So, Bertha, seen here in her 30s, must have been in contact with | 0:36:22 | 0:36:26 | |
her mother, Louisa, even though Louisa was unable to bring her up. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
Cat's next task was to trace Louisa's parents and siblings. | 0:36:30 | 0:36:34 | |
Their descendants would be entitled next of kin. | 0:36:34 | 0:36:37 | |
I mean, even though Bertha didn't have a father, | 0:36:37 | 0:36:40 | |
so we couldn't track down any paternal beneficiaries, her mother, Louisa, is one of five children | 0:36:40 | 0:36:47 | |
so there are four other bloodlines that we can actually follow and out of all of them I've only managed | 0:36:47 | 0:36:52 | |
to track one bloodline, which is Hannah, who was born in 1871, | 0:36:52 | 0:36:56 | |
and Hannah had a daughter called Florence. | 0:36:56 | 0:37:00 | |
So, Florence is Bertha's first cousin. | 0:37:00 | 0:37:03 | |
Florence has a daughter called Joyce | 0:37:03 | 0:37:06 | |
and Joyce is the only beneficiary that I can find to Bertha's estate. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:11 | |
Joyce Vercy is Bertha's cousin once removed and was in the dark about her long lost relation. | 0:37:13 | 0:37:20 | |
I didn't know Bertha. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:22 | |
Never heard of her or never heard of her spoken of at all. | 0:37:22 | 0:37:26 | |
My mother didn't know her at all. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
Never spoke of her. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:31 | |
Understandably, Cat's letter stating she was the only heir | 0:37:32 | 0:37:36 | |
left Joyce and her daughter, Corinda, very dubious. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
We thought it was a scam | 0:37:41 | 0:37:44 | |
because we'd had one before, two years before, and then we heard from | 0:37:44 | 0:37:50 | |
Cat and so I said, 'oh, it's just one of those letters | 0:37:50 | 0:37:55 | |
'that you get from time to time, we'll ignore it.' | 0:37:55 | 0:37:59 | |
And Corinda said, 'no, I think this may be real. | 0:37:59 | 0:38:02 | |
'We may get something here.' | 0:38:02 | 0:38:04 | |
So, I said, 'well, whatever we get you can have half,' thinking that would be nothing. Half of nothing. | 0:38:04 | 0:38:11 | |
Cat's on her way to meet Joyce, the heir to Bertha's £21,000 estate. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:22 | |
What Hyacinth was able to tell me, you know, means so much and I get a whole image of Bertha. | 0:38:23 | 0:38:29 | |
And Joyce is going to love it too because Joyce is... | 0:38:29 | 0:38:32 | |
She's rare because she's actually interested in Bertha. | 0:38:32 | 0:38:35 | |
I mean, some of my clients, not that interested in the person who died. | 0:38:35 | 0:38:38 | |
-Hi, Corinda? -Yes, it is. -Cat. Cat Whiteaway. | 0:38:46 | 0:38:48 | |
-Lovely to meet you. -Nice to meet you at last. Thank you. | 0:38:48 | 0:38:51 | |
It's a poignant moment. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:52 | |
Joyce is amazed to find out about her long lost cousin. | 0:38:52 | 0:38:55 | |
Because you didn't know about Bertha at first, did you? | 0:38:55 | 0:38:59 | |
No. I didn't know | 0:38:59 | 0:39:01 | |
anything about her. I didn't know that she existed. | 0:39:01 | 0:39:04 | |
I'm sorry that I didn't know. | 0:39:04 | 0:39:07 | |
I'm sorry that my mother didn't know anything about her. | 0:39:07 | 0:39:11 | |
My mother never mentioned her. | 0:39:11 | 0:39:13 | |
Joyce's mother, Florence, pictured here, was 14 when Bertha was born, | 0:39:14 | 0:39:19 | |
but she probably never knew her baby cousin existed. | 0:39:19 | 0:39:23 | |
Well, I can only imagine that she was spirited away somewhere because she was illegitimate, perhaps. | 0:39:23 | 0:39:29 | |
I don't know that for certain. | 0:39:29 | 0:39:32 | |
But my mother never talked of her. | 0:39:32 | 0:39:36 | |
Ever. | 0:39:36 | 0:39:38 | |
So, obviously | 0:39:38 | 0:39:41 | |
her mother couldn't have spoken about her, could she? | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
Her mother couldn't have told my mother. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:49 | |
But, I mean, it's been an incredible journey, all these different things that we've learned | 0:39:49 | 0:39:53 | |
and Hyacinth, the lady who looked after Bertha later in life and sort of became her friend, you know? | 0:39:53 | 0:40:00 | |
She wasn't actually paid to look after Bertha, | 0:40:00 | 0:40:02 | |
but she became her friend and I've met Hyacinth and she's got some photographs of Bertha, as well. | 0:40:02 | 0:40:10 | |
-Would you like to see them? -I wonder if she looks like my mother. | 0:40:10 | 0:40:14 | |
Let's get the photo, first. This is Bertha. | 0:40:15 | 0:40:18 | |
Can you see Nan in her? | 0:40:21 | 0:40:23 | |
Yeah. | 0:40:23 | 0:40:25 | |
Can you see a likeness? | 0:40:27 | 0:40:28 | |
Yes, definitely. | 0:40:28 | 0:40:31 | |
There's another one, as well, so... | 0:40:34 | 0:40:36 | |
So whether they were slightly younger. | 0:40:36 | 0:40:39 | |
I'm told I look like my mother. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:43 | |
And if she looked like her mother, then she might look like Bertha. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
Your mum and Bertha were first cousins, so, you know, there should be some similarity. | 0:40:48 | 0:40:54 | |
Do you think she'd mind me having her money? | 0:40:55 | 0:40:59 | |
-No. -Her mother didn't like me. | 0:40:59 | 0:41:01 | |
She used to tell me I was ugly. | 0:41:01 | 0:41:03 | |
'You're ugly!' | 0:41:03 | 0:41:06 | |
-Louisa? -Yeah. She lived next door to my grandmother. | 0:41:06 | 0:41:09 | |
When my grandmother was looking after me, she used to look over the garden fence, 'you're ugly!' | 0:41:09 | 0:41:15 | |
'You're not worth a bladder of lard!' | 0:41:15 | 0:41:18 | |
I think there's a degree of irony there that you got the money | 0:41:18 | 0:41:23 | |
after her mother said those nasty things to you. | 0:41:23 | 0:41:25 | |
Yes, I feel very guilty about it. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:27 | |
Well, you're legally entitled and I wouldn't feel any guilt. | 0:41:27 | 0:41:32 | |
And what are you going to spend the money on? | 0:41:32 | 0:41:34 | |
I'm not spending it on myself. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:36 | |
Who are you spending it on? | 0:41:36 | 0:41:37 | |
I'm saving it for my grandson. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:40 | |
He's hoping to go to university next year, so I'll put it aside | 0:41:40 | 0:41:44 | |
for him so that he doesn't have to have a debt. | 0:41:44 | 0:41:48 | |
Joyce has come to terms with inheriting Bertha's estate because she's giving it up | 0:41:48 | 0:41:54 | |
for her grandson's education, but coming to terms with never having known her cousin is so much harder. | 0:41:54 | 0:42:00 | |
-Very popular. -Yes. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:02 | |
Well known in Colchester, I think. | 0:42:02 | 0:42:04 | |
Yes. It's made me more sad than ever that we didn't know her. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:11 | |
If possible, we'd like to meet Hyacinth so that we can take her | 0:42:11 | 0:42:16 | |
some flowers and thank her properly for looking after Bertha as she did. | 0:42:16 | 0:42:23 | |
Bertha is no longer the illegitimate relation spirited away in secrecy. | 0:42:25 | 0:42:30 | |
She is a much missed relative and friend and will be remembered by everyone involved in her story. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:36 | |
If you would like advice about building a family tree or making a will, go to bbc.co.uk. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
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