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Heir hunters spend their lives tracking down families of people who've died without leaving a will. | 0:00:02 | 0:00:07 | |
They hand over thousands of pounds to long-lost relatives, who had no idea | 0:00:07 | 0:00:11 | |
they were in line for a windfall. | 0:00:11 | 0:00:14 | |
Could they be knocking at your door? | 0:00:14 | 0:00:17 | |
On today's programme... | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
Heir Hunters investigate a shockingly sad news story. | 0:00:36 | 0:00:40 | |
Oh, my God. | 0:00:40 | 0:00:41 | |
Is that rubbish at the window?! | 0:00:43 | 0:00:45 | |
And one family's sterling efforts to track down a great-aunt, | 0:00:45 | 0:00:49 | |
who disappeared from their radar 50 years ago. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:52 | |
She left with little notice. She put her house on the market. | 0:00:52 | 0:00:55 | |
She sold it fairly quickly and left. | 0:00:55 | 0:00:58 | |
Plus the unclaimed estates sitting dormant at the Treasury. | 0:00:58 | 0:01:02 | |
Are you about to inherit a fortune? | 0:01:02 | 0:01:05 | |
Every year in Britain, over two thirds of people die without leaving a will. | 0:01:11 | 0:01:16 | |
And when no heir can be found, their money goes to the Government. | 0:01:16 | 0:01:20 | |
Last year, the Treasury made a colossal £18 million from unclaimed assets. | 0:01:20 | 0:01:25 | |
Of that, only £6.5 million was ever claimed back by heirs. | 0:01:25 | 0:01:31 | |
Hoping to gain a commission, more than 30 probate research companies | 0:01:31 | 0:01:36 | |
race against one another to track down and sign up long-lost relatives entitled to inherit. | 0:01:36 | 0:01:42 | |
-Mr Galloway? -Yes. -David Hadley. -Hello. | 0:01:42 | 0:01:45 | |
Fraser and Fraser is one of the oldest firms of heir hunters. | 0:01:45 | 0:01:50 | |
It's run by Andrew, Neil and Charles Fraser. | 0:01:50 | 0:01:55 | |
One of the areas I enjoy is the mystery element of it. | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
And it's being able to deal with that and bring it to a successful conclusion, | 0:01:58 | 0:02:03 | |
that's one of the thrills of the job, really. | 0:02:03 | 0:02:05 | |
They've tackled estates ranging from £5 to £500,000, | 0:02:07 | 0:02:11 | |
and have successfully claimed back more than £100 million for heirs. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:17 | |
It's 11 o'clock on Thursday morning. | 0:02:22 | 0:02:24 | |
As always, the team spent the early hours scouring the Treasury's list of unclaimed estates, | 0:02:24 | 0:02:29 | |
looking for cases that were worth working. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:31 | |
Unusually, there's been little of interest today, so Neil is taking a different tack. | 0:02:31 | 0:02:39 | |
There's just some newspaper articles at the moment about Gordon Stewart, | 0:02:39 | 0:02:42 | |
dying trapped in a litter maze in his own house. | 0:02:42 | 0:02:45 | |
Every now and then, it's worth having a little look. | 0:02:45 | 0:02:49 | |
Even if we happen to solve the case and don't get anything out of it, | 0:02:49 | 0:02:52 | |
it will be good that way. | 0:02:52 | 0:02:53 | |
According to the newspaper article, | 0:02:55 | 0:02:57 | |
Gordon Stewart, a 74-year-old bachelor | 0:02:57 | 0:03:00 | |
from Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire, | 0:03:00 | 0:03:03 | |
was tragically found dead in his home, | 0:03:03 | 0:03:05 | |
thought to have died of dehydration. | 0:03:05 | 0:03:07 | |
His home was filled floor to ceiling with rubbish. | 0:03:09 | 0:03:12 | |
It seems he was too embarrassed to ask anyone for help or let anyone in. | 0:03:12 | 0:03:17 | |
He was a very quiet person, and, sadly, no photo of Gordon has been found. | 0:03:17 | 0:03:23 | |
Despite being private, he wasn't a hermit. | 0:03:23 | 0:03:27 | |
More than 40 people attended his funeral, led by Pastor Alan Harvey. | 0:03:27 | 0:03:32 | |
There were a number of neighbours there, who obviously knew Gordon, | 0:03:35 | 0:03:38 | |
had seen him in the district, riding his bicycle, had spoken to him. | 0:03:38 | 0:03:43 | |
The tribute that was given certainly painted the picture of a man who, | 0:03:45 | 0:03:49 | |
in the last years of his life was, in some ways, quite lonely, | 0:03:49 | 0:03:56 | |
someone who obviously was an animal lover, someone who had been very good with his hands. | 0:03:56 | 0:04:04 | |
I believe he'd worked in carpentry and so on, earlier on in his life, | 0:04:04 | 0:04:08 | |
I think someone who was, in some ways, | 0:04:08 | 0:04:11 | |
overwhelmed by his home situation. | 0:04:11 | 0:04:14 | |
His tragic end may have been shaped by events in Gordon's past. | 0:04:21 | 0:04:25 | |
Sadly, his brother and then his father died when he was only a child. | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
It left just Gordon and his mum on their own. | 0:04:29 | 0:04:32 | |
He seemed to have been very attached and proud of her. | 0:04:32 | 0:04:35 | |
They lived together until her death in 1975. | 0:04:35 | 0:04:39 | |
Gordon knew that his home had reached an appalling condition. | 0:04:40 | 0:04:45 | |
But it seems he was too paralysed by the thought of what to do. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:49 | |
For Fraser's, sadly, it's not an uncommon story, but they know | 0:04:49 | 0:04:53 | |
from long experience that there is usually an heir out there somewhere. | 0:04:53 | 0:04:58 | |
Why we're interested in it is because the article says he didn't have any known relatives. | 0:04:58 | 0:05:06 | |
That's exactly what we do. | 0:05:06 | 0:05:08 | |
It's just this one happens to have made the newspaper. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
Although Gordon's tragic death has made the headlines, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:15 | |
it's too recent a case to have been passed to the Treasury's unclaimed estates division, | 0:05:15 | 0:05:20 | |
so all the Treasury's usual checks regarding family or beneficiaries haven't been done yet. | 0:05:20 | 0:05:25 | |
One of the things we have to be very, very careful with, when we get cases from almost alternative sources, | 0:05:25 | 0:05:31 | |
is we're picking this up before any inquiry has been made at all. | 0:05:31 | 0:05:34 | |
So we don't know if the deceased has left a will. | 0:05:34 | 0:05:37 | |
There is a danger we could do all this work and then a will turn up. | 0:05:37 | 0:05:42 | |
Going on instinct, and the lure of a £150,000 property, Neil is prepared to take the risk. | 0:05:42 | 0:05:50 | |
He's planning to send case manager Bob Smith to Gordon's home town, Aylesbury. | 0:05:50 | 0:05:55 | |
Fraser's employ a team of travelling heir hunters, | 0:05:57 | 0:06:00 | |
based all over the country, who await the call to be sent wherever the search takes them. | 0:06:00 | 0:06:05 | |
They follow up leads and hunches and glean as much information as they can about the deceased | 0:06:05 | 0:06:10 | |
by knocking on doors, hoping to track down an heir before the competition beat them to it. | 0:06:10 | 0:06:15 | |
Case manager Bob Smith is London-based, | 0:06:21 | 0:06:23 | |
making it easy to drop into the office and get details on today's unusual case. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:27 | |
We're going to this place as well. | 0:06:27 | 0:06:29 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:06:29 | 0:06:31 | |
Is that rubbish at the window?! | 0:06:32 | 0:06:35 | |
Oh, my God! | 0:06:35 | 0:06:37 | |
-Died of thirst? -Yeah. | 0:06:37 | 0:06:39 | |
Bob's getting the dates and details on Gordon Stewart and any family the team already know about | 0:06:44 | 0:06:49 | |
in order to get birth and death certificates, which will give them more information. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:53 | |
He appears to have a brother, Trevor F,... | 0:06:53 | 0:06:57 | |
..born December quarter, 1930, | 0:06:59 | 0:07:02 | |
-in Aylesbury. -You want me to do an inquiry and pick up the death? -Yeah. | 0:07:02 | 0:07:06 | |
OK. | 0:07:06 | 0:07:08 | |
Love you all! | 0:07:08 | 0:07:10 | |
And I'll speak to you later. | 0:07:10 | 0:07:12 | |
But knowing the papers have already been pressing the neighbours for stories, | 0:07:12 | 0:07:16 | |
he won't be doing any door-to-door inquiries today. | 0:07:16 | 0:07:20 | |
Unfortunately, most cases the team work have an emotive story behind them. | 0:07:22 | 0:07:28 | |
Quite often, they're loners, people that detached themselves from family for various reasons. | 0:07:30 | 0:07:37 | |
Difficult to believe, to be honest, in a house, looked quite a modern house, it should have water | 0:07:37 | 0:07:43 | |
and all that, and apparently they die of dehydration. | 0:07:43 | 0:07:46 | |
Because Gordon Stewart died only a fortnight ago, the team won't be able to get a death certificate yet. | 0:07:46 | 0:07:52 | |
However, the newspaper article gave his age, so they've had no trouble | 0:07:52 | 0:07:56 | |
finding his date of birth and have been able to bypass some of their initial searches into his family. | 0:07:56 | 0:08:02 | |
We know that the brother died aged six. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:06 | |
The birth of the deceased himself, we are confident we've got the right family. | 0:08:06 | 0:08:11 | |
For Louisa Cox, Gordon's mother, losing Trevor and then her husband | 0:08:13 | 0:08:17 | |
must have been almost too much to bear. | 0:08:17 | 0:08:20 | |
However, the research shows that later in life, when she was 45, she did remarry. | 0:08:20 | 0:08:27 | |
The team now have all the immediate family members mapped out from their own records, | 0:08:27 | 0:08:31 | |
but they need certificates from Bob | 0:08:31 | 0:08:34 | |
in order to find the mother and father's parents to go further back up the tree. | 0:08:34 | 0:08:38 | |
Is there any chance we could pick those up today? | 0:08:42 | 0:08:45 | |
-Yes, you have to pay the £10 express fee. £10 on top. -No problem. | 0:08:45 | 0:08:50 | |
Piece by piece, the certificates are helping to reveal more about the mystery of Gordon's family. | 0:08:50 | 0:08:57 | |
His mother's birth certificate gives the team the names of Gordon Stewart's maternal grandparents. | 0:08:57 | 0:09:02 | |
Louisa Jane Cox, born 8th June, 1906. | 0:09:02 | 0:09:06 | |
-Formally Gilder - G-I-L-D-E-R. -Yeah. | 0:09:06 | 0:09:11 | |
The marriage of the parents - | 0:09:11 | 0:09:12 | |
between Francis Eric Stewart | 0:09:12 | 0:09:16 | |
and Louisa Jane Cox, age 23. | 0:09:16 | 0:09:19 | |
OK, I'll speak to you soon, mate. | 0:09:19 | 0:09:20 | |
-All right. Cheers. -Take care. Bye. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
The certificates show a name switch for Gordon's father. | 0:09:24 | 0:09:28 | |
On Gordon's birth certificate, he's Eric Francis Henry. | 0:09:28 | 0:09:32 | |
But his marriage certificate shows him as Francis Eric. | 0:09:32 | 0:09:36 | |
It may cause them problems when they look for a copy of his birth, | 0:09:36 | 0:09:39 | |
since they'll have to do twice as many searches. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
However, the certificates have given them a leap forward | 0:09:45 | 0:09:48 | |
on the maternal branch of Gordon's family tree. | 0:09:48 | 0:09:51 | |
Once Bob gave me the details for Louisa's parents, I then identified their marriage, which was in 1891. | 0:09:51 | 0:09:58 | |
Then we have a 1901 census. | 0:09:58 | 0:10:00 | |
On that census, there are aunts and uncles of the deceased. | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
Fingers crossed we find the descendants of these aunts and uncles. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:08 | |
Gordon's maternal grandparents were Albert Cox and Louisa Gilder. | 0:10:11 | 0:10:15 | |
The team have found seven children from their marriage, Gordon's mother, Louisa, | 0:10:20 | 0:10:24 | |
then John, Albert, Winifred, Lionel, James and Herbert Cox. | 0:10:24 | 0:10:31 | |
All Gordon's uncles and aunts. | 0:10:31 | 0:10:33 | |
They also know that Herbert went on to marry Emily Izzard. | 0:10:33 | 0:10:36 | |
They, or more likely their children, will be in line to inherit a share of Gordon's £150,000 estate. | 0:10:36 | 0:10:43 | |
With the help of the census, the mother's line has been exceptionally easy to trace. | 0:10:43 | 0:10:49 | |
Basically, the key, where we jumped from having the top generation, | 0:10:49 | 0:10:54 | |
the aunts and uncles to a single generation, | 0:10:54 | 0:10:57 | |
is solely because we found one marriage. The married name, Izzard, is easy to spot in the indexes. | 0:10:57 | 0:11:05 | |
The benefit of uncle Herbert Cox and Emily Izzard's marriage means within minutes of a birth search, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:11 | |
they found children, first cousins to Gordon and probably heirs to his estate. | 0:11:11 | 0:11:17 | |
We've got five possible cousins of the deceased at the moment, which is a fair amount to have. | 0:11:17 | 0:11:23 | |
They're born in the '20s, between 1920 and 1934. | 0:11:23 | 0:11:29 | |
And I've just been passed the first one alive, living in Kent. | 0:11:29 | 0:11:35 | |
They've only been working this case for four hours | 0:11:36 | 0:11:39 | |
and already, Fran is able to make plans for travelling heir hunter Dave Hadley to see a maternal heir. | 0:11:39 | 0:11:44 | |
Have you got a pen and paper to take some details? | 0:11:44 | 0:11:49 | |
Right. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:50 | |
But as they get closer to living relatives, team member Sara discovers another family tragedy, | 0:11:51 | 0:11:57 | |
concerning one of Gordon's other uncles, Albert Cox. | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
An old newspaper article reports him murdered in 1970. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:06 | |
This gives us more information on him. | 0:12:06 | 0:12:08 | |
The more information we can get on people like that, certainly, the more useful it is. | 0:12:08 | 0:12:14 | |
With so much family tragedy, | 0:12:14 | 0:12:15 | |
perhaps this was another reason why the local people were convinced Gordon had no relatives. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:21 | |
But Dave Hadley's about to prove them wrong. | 0:12:21 | 0:12:24 | |
He's trying to meet Gordon's first cousin, Douglas Cox. | 0:12:24 | 0:12:27 | |
-Hello, Mrs Cox? -Yes. | 0:12:27 | 0:12:29 | |
I'd like to speak to Mr Douglas Cox, if I may? | 0:12:29 | 0:12:32 | |
-Yes, of course. Come in. -Thank you. | 0:12:32 | 0:12:35 | |
Somebody has passed away on your father's side of the family. | 0:12:35 | 0:12:40 | |
He didn't leave a will, and so at this stage, we're still searching for the heirs. | 0:12:40 | 0:12:46 | |
And from then on, I'll explain to you exactly what we can do. | 0:12:46 | 0:12:49 | |
We lost contact with my family years ago. Haven't we? | 0:12:49 | 0:12:53 | |
You didn't know much about your father's family in the first place. | 0:12:53 | 0:12:57 | |
They all lived Luton, Aylesbury area, so we haven't heard from them for years. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:02 | |
Dave's meeting serves only to further highlight how tragically easy it is for family to lose touch. | 0:13:02 | 0:13:09 | |
But at least Gordon's estate looks more likely now to go to his real family than the Treasury. | 0:13:09 | 0:13:15 | |
Well, thanks again. I'm really grateful, and it's been a pleasure meeting you. Bye-bye. | 0:13:15 | 0:13:20 | |
Bye. | 0:13:20 | 0:13:21 | |
We've done really well today, considering. | 0:13:28 | 0:13:31 | |
We've found one aunt and uncle, who have left surviving issue, | 0:13:31 | 0:13:37 | |
who are first cousins of our deceased, Gordon Stewart. | 0:13:37 | 0:13:41 | |
The team is successfully signing up maternal cousins as heirs, | 0:13:42 | 0:13:46 | |
hoping to get a commission from the £150,000 estate. | 0:13:46 | 0:13:50 | |
So far, it's been an easy piece of detective work. | 0:13:50 | 0:13:55 | |
Even with a name like Stewart, there can be unforeseen problems. | 0:13:55 | 0:13:59 | |
It's come up as Stuart with a "U". | 0:13:59 | 0:14:02 | |
Oh, gosh! Oh, great(!) | 0:14:02 | 0:14:04 | |
Has their stream of luck run out? | 0:14:04 | 0:14:07 | |
Heir hunting doesn't just take the form of fast-paced searches and heavy competition. | 0:14:16 | 0:14:21 | |
Far removed from the rat race, in the Sussex town of Burgess Hill, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
are an heir-hunting duo of a different kind. | 0:14:25 | 0:14:29 | |
Charles Kerr, the Lord Teviot, is a hereditary peer and works alongside his wife, Mary, | 0:14:32 | 0:14:37 | |
under their individual company names of Census Searches and Elliot & Whitmee. | 0:14:37 | 0:14:42 | |
-You've found the thing. -I found it. | 0:14:42 | 0:14:45 | |
Mary and Charles prefer to work the less competitive cases, thought too small to take on by other companies, | 0:14:45 | 0:14:51 | |
and have a particular interest in family stories. | 0:14:51 | 0:14:55 | |
I think one of the nice parts is that you are able to put people | 0:14:55 | 0:14:59 | |
in touch with relations that they had no idea that existed | 0:14:59 | 0:15:03 | |
or they knew that existed but had no idea of what had happened to them in the intervening period. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:08 | |
Mary's work isn't just limited to the UK. | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
She's researched a number of estates on behalf of the Office of Public Trustee in Canada. | 0:15:13 | 0:15:20 | |
When someone dies in testate, they find it useful having a contact like Mary in the UK. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:25 | |
Very often from the Public Trustee, one gets cases with a UK background. | 0:15:25 | 0:15:30 | |
It's always interesting because | 0:15:30 | 0:15:32 | |
so many people went from different parts of the world to Alberta | 0:15:32 | 0:15:37 | |
that it wasn't always just run-of-the-mill UK research. | 0:15:37 | 0:15:41 | |
One of the cases Mary was asked to work on was that of Joan Mansfield, | 0:15:45 | 0:15:49 | |
a British national born in India, who died in Calgary in 1996. | 0:15:49 | 0:15:55 | |
She never married or had children, and she didn't make a will. | 0:15:56 | 0:16:00 | |
So who was entitled to her £30,000 estate? | 0:16:00 | 0:16:04 | |
The only information that one had right at the very beginning was that she had a brother. | 0:16:04 | 0:16:09 | |
And I think the brother was in New Zealand and he'd already died. | 0:16:09 | 0:16:14 | |
So it was really very much a question of starting from scratch. | 0:16:14 | 0:16:19 | |
Mary had limited information, but knew that Joan and her family | 0:16:19 | 0:16:23 | |
had spent most of their lives in colonial India. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:26 | |
She plotted the family connection she had so far on paper. | 0:16:26 | 0:16:30 | |
The first thing I did was a rough draft of the Mansfield tree. | 0:16:30 | 0:16:35 | |
And I put down Joan's birth date. | 0:16:35 | 0:16:39 | |
And I put down that she had a brother, that one knew about, who was called Ivan William, | 0:16:39 | 0:16:44 | |
and from there, the next thing one had to do was to see if she had any other siblings. | 0:16:44 | 0:16:48 | |
There was already a ten-year age gap between Joan and her brother, Ivan, and in order to gauge how many | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
further siblings there might be, Mary was looking for her parents' marriage date. | 0:16:55 | 0:17:00 | |
As she was with born in India, | 0:17:02 | 0:17:04 | |
the next port of call was to go to the British Library, | 0:17:04 | 0:17:08 | |
and to actually see the birth | 0:17:08 | 0:17:12 | |
or baptism and burial and marriage register, et cetera. | 0:17:12 | 0:17:16 | |
It's good news to look for events that took place actually in India | 0:17:16 | 0:17:21 | |
because they were very meticulous about their record-keeping. | 0:17:21 | 0:17:25 | |
One was able to actually find Joan's parents' marriage | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
because that rather gave us a window of how many other children | 0:17:28 | 0:17:32 | |
they might possibly have, because they were married in 1894 and Joan was not born until 1912. | 0:17:32 | 0:17:40 | |
In the 18-year gap between their marriage and Joan's birth, | 0:17:42 | 0:17:46 | |
Henry and Jane Mansfield had four other children. | 0:17:46 | 0:17:50 | |
The Mansfield family had been quite a long time in India, | 0:17:50 | 0:17:54 | |
and Joan's father was born in Madras, here, | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
and her mother was born in Calcutta, here. | 0:17:57 | 0:18:00 | |
They were far apart. They moved right up to here to be married in Ambala. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:05 | |
They had their five children in different places, and, in fact, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:08 | |
going back in one time to actually have one of their sons in Calcutta. | 0:18:08 | 0:18:13 | |
Then, eventually Joan, she was born in Faridpur. | 0:18:13 | 0:18:17 | |
Joan was the youngest of five children. | 0:18:17 | 0:18:22 | |
Two of her brothers, Hubert and Tyrell died in infancy, | 0:18:22 | 0:18:27 | |
but siblings Ivan and Phyllis both went on to marry and have children. | 0:18:27 | 0:18:32 | |
It was looking as if there wasn't very much because we have Phyllis, with her two daughters, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:42 | |
Maisie and Barbara, | 0:18:42 | 0:18:46 | |
and we have Ivan, with the one son, Leonard. | 0:18:46 | 0:18:50 | |
Maisie was actually deceased before the deceased. | 0:18:50 | 0:18:54 | |
Barbara, as she was entitled, | 0:18:54 | 0:18:57 | |
and then Leonard, he was also entitled because he was still alive. | 0:18:57 | 0:19:01 | |
So, out of her four brothers and sisters, we only have two surviving kin. | 0:19:01 | 0:19:08 | |
Mary had her heirs, Joan's nephew Leonard, and her niece Barbara. | 0:19:08 | 0:19:14 | |
Barbara has since died, but her daughter Anne | 0:19:16 | 0:19:19 | |
remembers when she and her late mother first heard the news of Aunt Joan's death. | 0:19:19 | 0:19:24 | |
Mother had direct communication with the people in Canada, | 0:19:24 | 0:19:29 | |
and several...letters, | 0:19:29 | 0:19:33 | |
pieces of paper, from the Province of Alberta, | 0:19:33 | 0:19:37 | |
telling mother that she and her cousin Billy | 0:19:37 | 0:19:40 | |
were heirs and what Joan had left, | 0:19:40 | 0:19:44 | |
and precise lists, and the fact that they would transport it back | 0:19:44 | 0:19:50 | |
to this country. | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
Anne's mother hoped Joan's boxes of belongings would shed some light on why she'd gone to Canada. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:58 | |
Letters or photographs, anything to explain why she'd upped sticks | 0:19:58 | 0:20:02 | |
and lost touch with the family in the '50s. | 0:20:02 | 0:20:05 | |
Initially, she was saddened by the fact that her aunt had died | 0:20:06 | 0:20:11 | |
and that she knew nothing about her or her life in Canada. | 0:20:11 | 0:20:15 | |
Um, the boxes revealed a certain amount, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:22 | |
but of course, there was nothing personal. | 0:20:22 | 0:20:24 | |
Aunt Joan had left them her legacy and a few belongings. | 0:20:25 | 0:20:29 | |
But would they ever find out about | 0:20:29 | 0:20:31 | |
the new life she created for herself in Canada? | 0:20:31 | 0:20:34 | |
It was Foothills School of Nursing. | 0:20:34 | 0:20:36 | |
If it's the School of Nursing, perhaps she was in a teaching position. | 0:20:36 | 0:20:40 | |
Just why had Joan suddenly disappeared? | 0:20:40 | 0:20:44 | |
For every case that is solved, | 0:20:53 | 0:20:56 | |
there are still many that remain a mystery. | 0:20:56 | 0:20:59 | |
Currently over 3,000 names drawn from across the country | 0:20:59 | 0:21:03 | |
are on the Treasury's unsolved case list. | 0:21:03 | 0:21:05 | |
Their assets will be kept for up to 30 years in the hope that eventually, | 0:21:09 | 0:21:13 | |
someone will remember and come forward to claim their inheritance. | 0:21:13 | 0:21:17 | |
With the estates valued at anything from £5,000 to millions of pounds, | 0:21:20 | 0:21:24 | |
it's just possible you could be entitled to one of these unclaimed estates. | 0:21:24 | 0:21:29 | |
Stanley Harding died in the seaside town of Poole in Dorset in February 2008. | 0:21:31 | 0:21:37 | |
Can you help make the right connections? | 0:21:37 | 0:21:40 | |
Could you even be related to him and entitled to his legacy? | 0:21:40 | 0:21:45 | |
Vincent James Connolly died in Camden, London, in March, 2006. | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
Does his name stir any memories? | 0:21:51 | 0:21:55 | |
If no relatives can be found, his money will go to the Government, but could it be meant for you? | 0:21:55 | 0:22:01 | |
It's day two on the case of Gordon Stewart, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:15 | |
a 74-year-old bachelor from Aylesbury in Buckinghamshire. | 0:22:15 | 0:22:18 | |
Gordon was tragically found dead in his home, thought to have died of dehydration. | 0:22:18 | 0:22:25 | |
Too embarrassed to accept offers of help or let people in, | 0:22:26 | 0:22:30 | |
his neglected home was filled from floor to ceiling with piles of rubbish. | 0:22:30 | 0:22:33 | |
The shocking nature of his death hit the newspaper headlines, | 0:22:33 | 0:22:37 | |
but it was the words, "No next of kin" | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
that attracted Fraser and Fraser. | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
Like the genealogical detectives they are, in just a day, | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
they had already begun to unravel Gordon's family's tragic story | 0:22:46 | 0:22:50 | |
and find heirs to his £150,000 estate. | 0:22:50 | 0:22:54 | |
We know the brother died aged six. | 0:22:54 | 0:22:56 | |
The birth of the deceased himself, we're confident we've got the right family. | 0:22:56 | 0:23:01 | |
But with Gordon having died only two weeks ago, | 0:23:02 | 0:23:05 | |
Fraser's has no way of knowing whether this extremely private man had actually made a will. | 0:23:05 | 0:23:11 | |
They're risking a lot of man hours and money tracing cousins who may not even be heirs. | 0:23:11 | 0:23:16 | |
Every now and then, it's worth having a look. Even if we happen to solve the case | 0:23:18 | 0:23:23 | |
and don't get anything out of it. | 0:23:23 | 0:23:25 | |
The team have found three maternal first cousins | 0:23:28 | 0:23:30 | |
they believe to be entitled to Gordon's property, | 0:23:30 | 0:23:33 | |
all descendants of Gordon's uncle, Herbert. | 0:23:33 | 0:23:37 | |
Dave Hadley met one of them last night and is off to meet two more this morning, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:42 | |
hoping to sign them up. | 0:23:42 | 0:23:44 | |
I'm on my way to see Sheila and Roy, the brother and sister of Douglas, | 0:23:44 | 0:23:49 | |
who I saw yesterday. | 0:23:49 | 0:23:52 | |
They would appear to be first cousins of the deceased, | 0:23:52 | 0:23:57 | |
and I'm hoping they'll be able to give me a bit more information about the father's side of the family. | 0:23:57 | 0:24:04 | |
The cousins may have known Gordon when he was younger and could have leads to further family members. | 0:24:06 | 0:24:13 | |
-Hello. Sheila Kingsland? -Yes. | 0:24:15 | 0:24:18 | |
Hello there. Thanks ever so much for seeing me. | 0:24:18 | 0:24:20 | |
It's a pleasure. Come in. | 0:24:20 | 0:24:23 | |
What can you tell me about your father's side of the family? | 0:24:23 | 0:24:26 | |
Did he have any brothers or sisters? | 0:24:26 | 0:24:28 | |
We don't know. Apparently, Dad left home because he wasn't treated very well. | 0:24:28 | 0:24:34 | |
-So we didn't even know our grandparents or any side of Dad's family. -OK. | 0:24:34 | 0:24:39 | |
I've already spoke to the brother. | 0:24:39 | 0:24:41 | |
So Dave comes away without any new information. | 0:24:41 | 0:24:45 | |
No, I can't remember. | 0:24:45 | 0:24:46 | |
But the team in the office don't need it, they are still uncovering maternal relations | 0:24:48 | 0:24:53 | |
with no trouble at all. | 0:24:53 | 0:24:55 | |
William Birch. Birch. | 0:24:55 | 0:24:58 | |
Ah, William Birch. The informant on the parents' marriage. | 0:24:58 | 0:25:03 | |
The parents of the deceased. | 0:25:03 | 0:25:05 | |
I'm looking for various Cox marriages. | 0:25:05 | 0:25:08 | |
I just found Winifred, E.L., in Aylesbury, which is the right initials and the right area. | 0:25:08 | 0:25:14 | |
So it's looking rather good. | 0:25:14 | 0:25:15 | |
Winifred Cox is Gordon's aunt, | 0:25:17 | 0:25:20 | |
and the team will immediately be looking for children from her marriage. | 0:25:20 | 0:25:24 | |
The ones I'm trying to find with initials are a lot easier to find, | 0:25:24 | 0:25:29 | |
rather than just the single names, because there are quite a few Coxes. | 0:25:29 | 0:25:34 | |
In a matter of minutes, they've found what they were after. | 0:25:37 | 0:25:41 | |
Ivor A was born 13th September 1930. | 0:25:41 | 0:25:45 | |
Ivor is Winifred's only child, | 0:25:45 | 0:25:48 | |
and Fran wants to try and line up a visit from a travelling heir hunter | 0:25:48 | 0:25:53 | |
to sign him up as another heir. | 0:25:53 | 0:25:56 | |
Hello, Mr Birch? | 0:25:56 | 0:25:58 | |
Good afternoon. I'm so sorry to trouble you. | 0:25:58 | 0:26:01 | |
But Ivor needs some convincing that it's not a hoax call. | 0:26:01 | 0:26:06 | |
No, no, no. It is a genuine matter. | 0:26:06 | 0:26:09 | |
We are looking into an estate of somebody who has passed away recently, | 0:26:09 | 0:26:15 | |
and we're trying to trace next of kin of that person. | 0:26:15 | 0:26:19 | |
Now, I'm rather hoping that you are Ivor Birch, | 0:26:19 | 0:26:24 | |
the son of Winifred Emily Birch, nee Cox. | 0:26:24 | 0:26:28 | |
Fran arranges for someone to go and sign up Ivor. | 0:26:29 | 0:26:32 | |
Hi, Bob. | 0:26:32 | 0:26:34 | |
I'm afraid I've made you a six o'clock appointment in Amersham. | 0:26:34 | 0:26:38 | |
On the paternal side of the tree, they've had a few false starts pinning down Gordon's father | 0:26:40 | 0:26:45 | |
because he switched his name from Eric Francis | 0:26:45 | 0:26:48 | |
to Francis Eric Stewart. | 0:26:48 | 0:26:51 | |
This proves slightly tricky. | 0:26:52 | 0:26:55 | |
It looks as though he may be an only child. | 0:26:55 | 0:26:57 | |
Our feeling at the moment is that the grandfather is pretty old, 58 on the 1901 sensor. | 0:26:57 | 0:27:04 | |
So he'd be a father at the age of 59. | 0:27:04 | 0:27:06 | |
His wife is quite a bit younger. | 0:27:06 | 0:27:09 | |
But still, I don't think there'll be any more children if the research we have is correct. | 0:27:09 | 0:27:15 | |
So, everything is gearing on the mother's side. | 0:27:15 | 0:27:17 | |
They've made real progress. | 0:27:17 | 0:27:19 | |
But there's still the nagging thought that Gordon may have left a will, but with no way to check, | 0:27:19 | 0:27:25 | |
Neil thinks it's worth taking a punt on their findings. | 0:27:25 | 0:27:28 | |
I'm slightly more confident now that what we're doing is going to be fruitful. | 0:27:28 | 0:27:33 | |
The family we've spoken to so far do not know of the deceased | 0:27:33 | 0:27:37 | |
and they are distant enough for them not to know about this case. | 0:27:37 | 0:27:42 | |
The inquiries through social services and through the coroner | 0:27:42 | 0:27:45 | |
also indicate that they don't think there'll be a will, | 0:27:45 | 0:27:48 | |
and they're confident that there aren't any known family. | 0:27:48 | 0:27:51 | |
We've obviously proved them wrong now. | 0:27:51 | 0:27:53 | |
Satisfied they're working a valuable case, | 0:27:53 | 0:27:57 | |
they really need to concentrate on the paternal branch of the family tree | 0:27:57 | 0:28:02 | |
in order to make sure they've found all entitled relatives to Gordon's estate. | 0:28:02 | 0:28:07 | |
The information they have found on Gordon's father, Eric Francis Henry Stewart, comes from the 1901 census | 0:28:07 | 0:28:14 | |
and suggests he was the son of Bessie and Alexander Stewart, | 0:28:14 | 0:28:18 | |
a photographic artist living in Fulham. | 0:28:18 | 0:28:20 | |
Senior researcher Bob Barrett is at the register office | 0:28:23 | 0:28:26 | |
and has collected a birth certificate for him. | 0:28:26 | 0:28:29 | |
Right, Eric Francis Henry Stewart, | 0:28:30 | 0:28:33 | |
born 11th November, 1901. | 0:28:33 | 0:28:36 | |
Father, Alexander Henry Stewart. | 0:28:36 | 0:28:39 | |
He was an artist. | 0:28:39 | 0:28:40 | |
-Mother, Charlotte Ann Stewart. -OK. | 0:28:40 | 0:28:43 | |
So our census might be wrong then. | 0:28:43 | 0:28:46 | |
They were looking at the wrong Stewart family, | 0:28:48 | 0:28:51 | |
which could have enormous consequences in terms of heirs. | 0:28:51 | 0:28:54 | |
They not being the parents, he possibly now is not an only child, | 0:28:54 | 0:28:58 | |
and we need to get back to the drawing board and start from scratch. | 0:28:58 | 0:29:03 | |
So I'm going to get Noel onto it straight away. | 0:29:03 | 0:29:08 | |
The search for Gordon's next of kin | 0:29:08 | 0:29:10 | |
has all been relatively easy up until now. | 0:29:10 | 0:29:13 | |
But if Gordon's father has siblings after all, | 0:29:13 | 0:29:16 | |
there may be many more cousins on the paternal side of the family | 0:29:16 | 0:29:20 | |
they must sign up as heirs. | 0:29:20 | 0:29:21 | |
So they start a fresh search for Gordon's paternal grandparents' marriage. | 0:29:21 | 0:29:25 | |
It's come up as Stuart with a "U". | 0:29:27 | 0:29:30 | |
Oh, gosh! | 0:29:30 | 0:29:31 | |
Noel's just found the marriage of the paternal grandparents of the deceased. | 0:29:31 | 0:29:37 | |
We know it as S-T-E-W-A-R-T. | 0:29:37 | 0:29:40 | |
But they seemed to marry as Stuart, S-T-U-A-R-T. | 0:29:40 | 0:29:46 | |
So, we're now going to have two surnames to contend with. | 0:29:46 | 0:29:49 | |
Two different variations. | 0:29:49 | 0:29:51 | |
This means they have to go back over any previous finds and double check | 0:29:51 | 0:29:56 | |
everything using the new spelling of Stuart. But that's not all. | 0:29:56 | 0:30:01 | |
So, plain Alexander. | 0:30:02 | 0:30:04 | |
Oh, gosh! | 0:30:04 | 0:30:07 | |
Oh, great(!) OK. | 0:30:07 | 0:30:10 | |
Gordon's grandparents, Alexander and Charlotte, | 0:30:10 | 0:30:13 | |
have dropped their middle names too, making their search even harder. | 0:30:13 | 0:30:18 | |
This is not boding well. | 0:30:18 | 0:30:21 | |
The only concrete information they have has come from Gordon's father's birth certificate. | 0:30:22 | 0:30:27 | |
They know when and where Eric Francis Stewart was born | 0:30:27 | 0:30:31 | |
and think they have Gordon grandparents', Alexander and Charlotte's, marriage. | 0:30:31 | 0:30:35 | |
They check and re-check their birth and death records. | 0:30:41 | 0:30:45 | |
They go back to the 1901 census. | 0:30:45 | 0:30:49 | |
Because they're chopping and changing the surname around, it's making it difficult. | 0:30:49 | 0:30:53 | |
They start ordering certificates for all Alexander Stuarts dying in Fulham around the 1920s. | 0:30:53 | 0:31:00 | |
Thanks very much. Bye. | 0:31:00 | 0:31:03 | |
But still they find nothing. | 0:31:03 | 0:31:05 | |
I think a lot of our hunches were wrong. | 0:31:05 | 0:31:08 | |
We're still desperately trying to find the 1901 census for Alexander and Charlotte. | 0:31:08 | 0:31:13 | |
And we just can't find it. | 0:31:13 | 0:31:15 | |
It's as if they disappeared just in 1901. | 0:31:15 | 0:31:18 | |
We know where they were in 1898. We know where they were at the end of 1901. | 0:31:18 | 0:31:22 | |
But the beginning of 1901, we don't know where they were. Um, | 0:31:22 | 0:31:27 | |
so, until we find that, we're not going to get any further today. | 0:31:27 | 0:31:30 | |
At the end of day two, they have signed six maternal heirs, | 0:31:32 | 0:31:36 | |
all cousins to the deceased, Gordon Stewart. | 0:31:36 | 0:31:39 | |
And with time on their side, | 0:31:39 | 0:31:40 | |
they decide to leave their search for paternal heirs for now. | 0:31:40 | 0:31:45 | |
In the weeks that follow, Gordon's paternal family tree becomes no clearer, | 0:31:45 | 0:31:49 | |
but at his funeral, a little more about him is revealed. | 0:31:49 | 0:31:53 | |
He's fondly remembered as a gentle man, | 0:31:53 | 0:31:56 | |
highly appreciative of well-made things and very generous. | 0:31:56 | 0:32:00 | |
However, along with the tributes, | 0:32:00 | 0:32:03 | |
Fraser's also discover some startling news. | 0:32:03 | 0:32:07 | |
Contrary to all their inquiries, Gordon HAD left a will. | 0:32:07 | 0:32:11 | |
From our point of view, it looks like our journey's come to an end. | 0:32:11 | 0:32:15 | |
It's one of the risks we take. | 0:32:15 | 0:32:17 | |
This always was a risky case to have started, and this time, the gamble hasn't paid off for Fraser's. | 0:32:17 | 0:32:24 | |
Although there is now no money left for any family members to inherit, | 0:32:25 | 0:32:29 | |
the team at Fraser's did succeed in reviving some long-lost family ties, | 0:32:29 | 0:32:35 | |
and, in the end, despite his chaotic final years, Gordon, unlike so many people, | 0:32:35 | 0:32:39 | |
did the right thing - he'd taken the trouble to make a will, | 0:32:39 | 0:32:43 | |
so the person he really wanted to benefit from his estate will now inherit. | 0:32:43 | 0:32:49 | |
I think, obviously, the loss of his mother, as for anyone, | 0:32:49 | 0:32:52 | |
particularly for a man on his own, was a significant event. | 0:32:52 | 0:32:57 | |
I think then ill health and eventually having to give up work | 0:32:57 | 0:33:01 | |
probably impacted his life. | 0:33:01 | 0:33:04 | |
And certainly, the picture that was painted from the tribute was of someone who perhaps | 0:33:04 | 0:33:09 | |
had recognised that he wasn't coping as well as he might have done | 0:33:09 | 0:33:14 | |
but didn't know perhaps how quite to rectify that situation. | 0:33:14 | 0:33:19 | |
Several years ago, Mary, the Lady Teviot, was asked to track down | 0:33:32 | 0:33:36 | |
relatives of Joan Mansfield, | 0:33:36 | 0:33:38 | |
a British lady who had died in Canada in 1996. | 0:33:38 | 0:33:43 | |
Mary located two heirs to Joan's £30,000 estate, | 0:33:43 | 0:33:48 | |
her nephew and a niece, Barbara. | 0:33:48 | 0:33:51 | |
She and her daughter, Anne, were delighted to finally receive news of long-lost aunt Joan | 0:33:51 | 0:33:56 | |
but were left with no clues as to the reason she had suddenly emigrated to Canada. | 0:33:56 | 0:34:02 | |
For whatever reason, Joan cut herself off completely, | 0:34:04 | 0:34:08 | |
to the extent, of course, that it was the Canadian government that told my mother that she'd died. | 0:34:08 | 0:34:13 | |
We didn't know that either. | 0:34:13 | 0:34:16 | |
Although she'd found her heirs, Mary kept looking into Joan's case on behalf of Anne's late mother. | 0:34:16 | 0:34:24 | |
She was greatly appreciative that somebody had bothered | 0:34:24 | 0:34:27 | |
because she wanted to know about her aunt. | 0:34:27 | 0:34:30 | |
As well as Anne's mother, there was another relative | 0:34:32 | 0:34:35 | |
particularly interested in hearing that Mary was making inquiries about the Mansfield family. | 0:34:35 | 0:34:39 | |
Rosemary Webster was not an heir, | 0:34:41 | 0:34:43 | |
but through her grandfather, she is Joan's cousin once removed. | 0:34:43 | 0:34:48 | |
Rosemary has inherited a detailed family tree | 0:34:52 | 0:34:55 | |
and has become an amateur genealogist. | 0:34:55 | 0:34:58 | |
She too wants to find out what happened to Joan. | 0:34:58 | 0:35:02 | |
My aunt Gwen was really the one who was very interested and wrote down everything that I have on here. | 0:35:02 | 0:35:09 | |
She knew all her cousins quite well because she grew up with a lot of them in India. | 0:35:09 | 0:35:15 | |
So she wrote down everything that she remembered. | 0:35:15 | 0:35:18 | |
So, really, I haven't had to do a huge amount of looking for things, | 0:35:18 | 0:35:22 | |
but she spurred me on because there's a lot of questions here that I need to find out and ask. | 0:35:22 | 0:35:28 | |
Like Joan, her cousin Rosemary had also grown up in India and kept lots of film and photos of life there. | 0:35:30 | 0:35:37 | |
Through her research, Rosemary discovered that she | 0:35:40 | 0:35:43 | |
and Joan's ancestors held significant posts in the British Empire. | 0:35:43 | 0:35:47 | |
Great grandfather, Daniel Timothy Mills, became apothecary to the Viceroy, | 0:35:49 | 0:35:56 | |
which was a big thing in India. | 0:35:56 | 0:35:59 | |
They were all doctors in India, in the Army, | 0:35:59 | 0:36:04 | |
so there must be some genetic link somewhere that has been passed down. | 0:36:04 | 0:36:09 | |
Harry lived down in Madras, and my grandfather lived right up in the north, | 0:36:09 | 0:36:13 | |
but they seemed to get together occasionally and meet up. | 0:36:13 | 0:36:19 | |
And especially when they came back to England, they were all very close. | 0:36:19 | 0:36:23 | |
Maybe it's because they didn't have English friends, | 0:36:23 | 0:36:26 | |
because they'd all been abroad and they probably didn't know a lot of people. | 0:36:26 | 0:36:30 | |
The fact that my grandfather came to live two streets away | 0:36:30 | 0:36:33 | |
from Harry and Jane means that family must have meant quite a lot to them. | 0:36:33 | 0:36:39 | |
Joan left India, aged 25, and lived in England with her parents, | 0:36:39 | 0:36:44 | |
Harry and Jane, until her mother died in 1950. | 0:36:44 | 0:36:47 | |
Joan must have been in her 30s, early 30s, when I first met her. | 0:36:47 | 0:36:52 | |
She was ten years younger than her other sibling, so it must have been quite difficult for her | 0:36:52 | 0:36:58 | |
because she was kind of left to look after her parents because everybody else had flown the nest. | 0:36:58 | 0:37:04 | |
But I don't think she was unhappy doing that. | 0:37:04 | 0:37:06 | |
She was obviously contented to be at home. | 0:37:06 | 0:37:09 | |
But when her mother died, Joan made an apparently snap decision to go to Canada, | 0:37:09 | 0:37:14 | |
taking her elderly father, Harry, with her. | 0:37:14 | 0:37:17 | |
Perhaps another colonial adventure beckoned. | 0:37:17 | 0:37:20 | |
I think by the time this all happened, the family was very scattered. | 0:37:20 | 0:37:26 | |
They'd all gone to all four corners of the Earth. | 0:37:26 | 0:37:29 | |
She, basically, probably didn't have any family, which is why she went to Canada. | 0:37:29 | 0:37:34 | |
Joan's great-niece, Anne, was only young, but remembers what an impact it had. | 0:37:36 | 0:37:40 | |
She left with little notice. | 0:37:40 | 0:37:42 | |
She put the house on the market. | 0:37:42 | 0:37:44 | |
She sold it fairly quickly and left. | 0:37:44 | 0:37:47 | |
Much later on, I remember my grandmother, her sister, saying how awful it was that | 0:37:47 | 0:37:53 | |
she'd never heard a word from her sister since she went to Canada. | 0:37:53 | 0:37:57 | |
She didn't even know when her father died because Joan completely cut off all communication with everybody. | 0:37:57 | 0:38:04 | |
But today, Mary is on her way to meet Rosemary and Anne. | 0:38:07 | 0:38:11 | |
And she has exciting new information. She's been in contact with a genealogist in Canada | 0:38:11 | 0:38:16 | |
who's managed to find out all about Joan's life across the pond. | 0:38:16 | 0:38:20 | |
Interestingly enough, | 0:38:20 | 0:38:21 | |
the genealogist in Calgary found she'd become a commercial producer | 0:38:21 | 0:38:26 | |
and a sales service writer for a year with the first television station in Calgary. | 0:38:26 | 0:38:34 | |
And after that, she went to work at the Foothills hospital as a registrar, | 0:38:34 | 0:38:39 | |
where she remained until she retired. | 0:38:39 | 0:38:42 | |
It's funny that she gravitated towards medicine again. | 0:38:42 | 0:38:45 | |
It was Foothills School of Nursing. | 0:38:45 | 0:38:47 | |
If it's the School of Nursing, perhaps she was in a teaching position. | 0:38:47 | 0:38:51 | |
I'm surprised to find that her father actually went to Canada. | 0:38:51 | 0:38:56 | |
He was definitely there in 1957. | 0:38:56 | 0:38:58 | |
Why would an 80-something gentleman live in a different country, where he didn't know anybody | 0:38:58 | 0:39:04 | |
and his daughter was miles away? | 0:39:04 | 0:39:06 | |
Well, his daughter, that was the most important thing. | 0:39:06 | 0:39:09 | |
After all, I think you have to remember he'd lost his wife, | 0:39:09 | 0:39:13 | |
he'd been in India all his life, and he was in post-war Britain, | 0:39:13 | 0:39:17 | |
which wasn't very jolly, to say the least. | 0:39:17 | 0:39:20 | |
So, probably, he decided he would have a better life in Canada | 0:39:20 | 0:39:24 | |
than staying in England, with a busy lady with grandchildren and a husband to look after. | 0:39:24 | 0:39:31 | |
Thank you very much for finding this. It's wonderful. | 0:39:31 | 0:39:34 | |
But that's not all. | 0:39:34 | 0:39:36 | |
Via a webcam, the Canadian genealogist has been able to put them directly in touch | 0:39:36 | 0:39:41 | |
with a close friend and neighbour of Joan's in Canada, Lauren Rendell, | 0:39:41 | 0:39:45 | |
finally someone who can answer all their questions and solve so much of the mystery of Joan's life. | 0:39:45 | 0:39:52 | |
How did you know Joan? | 0:39:52 | 0:39:54 | |
Well, I knew Joan in the last part of her life. | 0:39:54 | 0:39:56 | |
I met her when she was about 71, and we were neighbours. | 0:39:56 | 0:40:00 | |
I always credit Joan with getting me through a nursing degree. | 0:40:00 | 0:40:03 | |
She used to make sure my papers were in good order. | 0:40:03 | 0:40:07 | |
My oldest son is 36 now and I was asking him what he remembered most about Joan. | 0:40:07 | 0:40:13 | |
He said he remembered all the tales she had about the war, | 0:40:13 | 0:40:17 | |
and she was in the Civil Defence Corps, I believe, | 0:40:17 | 0:40:22 | |
and put out fires in London when they had the Blitz, | 0:40:22 | 0:40:27 | |
and so she would tell him tales about the war years and her experience in London. | 0:40:27 | 0:40:32 | |
We often wondered whether she talked about her family at all. | 0:40:32 | 0:40:36 | |
Did she talk about her brothers or her sister? | 0:40:36 | 0:40:40 | |
She sort of said that she didn't have any contact with them. | 0:40:40 | 0:40:44 | |
Unfortunately, she had dementia for a few years before she died. | 0:40:44 | 0:40:48 | |
By the time I realised that she didn't have a will, it was too late to, sort of, | 0:40:48 | 0:40:53 | |
ask her about family, like, she wouldn't recall, and therefore the Public Trustee took over. | 0:40:53 | 0:41:00 | |
They said that they did find family. | 0:41:00 | 0:41:03 | |
-They did. They found my mother, Barbara, who was Joan's niece, and Joan's nephew, Billy. -Right. | 0:41:03 | 0:41:11 | |
With the money, my mother built the conservatory that we're sitting in here in Dorset. | 0:41:11 | 0:41:16 | |
So Joan is still remembered. | 0:41:16 | 0:41:19 | |
Still remembered in both families. | 0:41:19 | 0:41:21 | |
-Yes, yes. -Well, she would have been very pleased with that. | 0:41:21 | 0:41:25 | |
-Thank you so much again, Lauren, it's been lovely talking to you. -Thank you very much. | 0:41:25 | 0:41:29 | |
We'll be in touch with you. | 0:41:29 | 0:41:31 | |
Thank you, and you have a lovely day. Bye-bye. | 0:41:31 | 0:41:34 | |
-Bye. -Bye-bye. | 0:41:34 | 0:41:37 | |
For Anne and Rosemary, this connection has been so important. | 0:41:37 | 0:41:41 | |
To have spoken to someone who knew Joan so well has finally brought her a little closer. | 0:41:41 | 0:41:46 | |
I feel she's come back into the fold of the family | 0:41:46 | 0:41:49 | |
because we know more about her. | 0:41:49 | 0:41:51 | |
She's not just Joan, you know, a distant relative. | 0:41:51 | 0:41:56 | |
It's almost as if we know her. | 0:41:56 | 0:41:58 | |
It's been really good. | 0:41:58 | 0:42:00 | |
-She's once again part of us, isn't she? -Yes. | 0:42:00 | 0:42:04 | |
That's a good way to put it, yes. | 0:42:04 | 0:42:07 | |
She's come back to us, having left. | 0:42:09 | 0:42:11 | |
Yes. | 0:42:11 | 0:42:12 | |
-The best crystal jug, of course! -Of course! | 0:42:16 | 0:42:18 | |
MARY: 'It was exciting for me to meet them both,' | 0:42:18 | 0:42:23 | |
and it's always nice to feel you've done a little bit of good somehow! | 0:42:23 | 0:42:27 | |
If it's in the course of work, it doesn't really matter. | 0:42:27 | 0:42:30 | |
It's just a very pleasant, happy outcome. | 0:42:30 | 0:42:32 | |
I'll put the kettle on, you load the dishwasher. | 0:42:34 | 0:42:36 | |
Mary's efforts have given Anne and Rosemary some clues as to why Joan left post-war Britain | 0:42:36 | 0:42:43 | |
and brought a missing family member back into the fold. | 0:42:43 | 0:42:47 | |
If you would like advice about building a family tree or making a will, go to bbc.co.uk. | 0:42:52 | 0:42:59 | |
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