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Northamptonshire. The county of squires and spires. | 0:00:26 | 0:00:31 | |
Majestic limestone manors dot the rolling countryside. | 0:00:32 | 0:00:36 | |
I'm starting my journey in the north of the county, | 0:00:38 | 0:00:41 | |
in the small village of Rushton. | 0:00:41 | 0:00:43 | |
But all is not quite as it seems | 0:00:46 | 0:00:49 | |
within the landscape. Beneath the quaint is quite a lot of quirk. | 0:00:49 | 0:00:53 | |
Tucked away on a lonely country lane sits this striking | 0:00:59 | 0:01:02 | |
but slightly bizarre building. | 0:01:02 | 0:01:04 | |
It's an intricate riddle, a maze of secret codes. | 0:01:06 | 0:01:09 | |
Rushton Triangular Lodge. | 0:01:10 | 0:01:12 | |
It's a celebration of the Holy Trinity - God the Father, | 0:01:14 | 0:01:17 | |
the Son and the Holy Spirit. | 0:01:17 | 0:01:20 | |
It was completed in 1596 by one of the county's most famous sons, | 0:01:20 | 0:01:24 | |
Thomas Tresham, a man for whom three was most definitely the magic number. | 0:01:24 | 0:01:30 | |
A Catholic politician living under Queen Elizabeth's Protestant reign, | 0:01:30 | 0:01:34 | |
he designed the Lodge while serving time for his beliefs. | 0:01:34 | 0:01:37 | |
I'm meeting up with historian Emily Hughes who can hopefully | 0:01:37 | 0:01:40 | |
tell me a thing or three about the place. | 0:01:40 | 0:01:43 | |
I know the number three is significant | 0:01:43 | 0:01:45 | |
but you're the one doing the PhD. How did he construct it? | 0:01:45 | 0:01:48 | |
He constructed it very symbolically. | 0:01:48 | 0:01:52 | |
His name, Tresham, "Tres" means three in Latin, | 0:01:52 | 0:01:55 | |
so quite obviously, a symbol of the Holy Trinity | 0:01:55 | 0:01:58 | |
and also a pun on his name. | 0:01:58 | 0:02:00 | |
So the walls are all 33 feet long, there's three sides, | 0:02:00 | 0:02:04 | |
there's three floors, the Trinity is obvious here. | 0:02:04 | 0:02:08 | |
On the face of it, it seems a fairly innocent declaration of faith | 0:02:08 | 0:02:11 | |
but there are other secret, treasonable messages. | 0:02:11 | 0:02:15 | |
The letter S under the water spout stands for "sanctus", | 0:02:16 | 0:02:18 | |
part of the Catholic Mass. | 0:02:18 | 0:02:21 | |
And celebrating mass under Queen Elizabeth could lead to execution. | 0:02:21 | 0:02:24 | |
What would he have done inside the building? | 0:02:26 | 0:02:29 | |
Well, he built it for his rabbit keeper, a Lodge for him. | 0:02:29 | 0:02:33 | |
-Elaborate. -Yeah. | 0:02:33 | 0:02:36 | |
Once we get inside, you can see that's completely impractical. | 0:02:36 | 0:02:40 | |
I think, actually, it's a place of devotion and a place | 0:02:40 | 0:02:43 | |
he could come with his family and practise their faith | 0:02:43 | 0:02:46 | |
in secret and in private. | 0:02:46 | 0:02:48 | |
CHOIR SINGS IN LATIN | 0:02:48 | 0:02:52 | |
-So this is what it would have been like. -It might well have been. | 0:03:04 | 0:03:08 | |
The music, I found it within papers from the Tresham household | 0:03:08 | 0:03:11 | |
so it might have been composed by Thomas Tresham. | 0:03:11 | 0:03:14 | |
The music itself are the last words of an executed priest. | 0:03:14 | 0:03:18 | |
And the symbolism within the music, like the building, | 0:03:18 | 0:03:21 | |
there's cross symbolism, so there's four notes in the shape of a cross, | 0:03:21 | 0:03:24 | |
and then throughout the four voice parts are 33 allelujahs. | 0:03:24 | 0:03:28 | |
So the three is making a comeback again and again. | 0:03:28 | 0:03:31 | |
But this isn't the only puzzling building in the county. | 0:03:44 | 0:03:48 | |
The hidden symbolism continues to intrigue at the home of another | 0:03:48 | 0:03:51 | |
notable Northamptonshire family. | 0:03:51 | 0:03:54 | |
The Triangular Lodge was just a twinkle in Tresham's sketchbook | 0:03:54 | 0:03:58 | |
when this place, Canons Ashby, was built 40 years earlier. | 0:03:58 | 0:04:02 | |
With its formal gardens, its stunning views and its fancy topiary, | 0:04:02 | 0:04:06 | |
it's a pretty textbook stately home. | 0:04:06 | 0:04:08 | |
But step inside, and there are some hidden clues to a secret past. | 0:04:08 | 0:04:13 | |
Welcome to Canons Ashby. | 0:04:17 | 0:04:19 | |
I'm hoping Laura Malpas can shed some light on its dark secrets. | 0:04:19 | 0:04:23 | |
A lovely hallway. | 0:04:24 | 0:04:25 | |
Both the families I'm looking into today clearly had money | 0:04:25 | 0:04:29 | |
but they were very different, weren't they? | 0:04:29 | 0:04:31 | |
Well, they were because the Drydens, | 0:04:31 | 0:04:33 | |
-who lived and built Canons Ashby... -Here. -..which is here, | 0:04:33 | 0:04:37 | |
they were extreme Protestants, Puritans. | 0:04:37 | 0:04:40 | |
Whereas the Treshams you've been looking at over at Rushton, | 0:04:40 | 0:04:43 | |
they were extreme Roman Catholics. | 0:04:43 | 0:04:45 | |
So, you've got opposite ends of the spectrum. | 0:04:45 | 0:04:48 | |
-Now, this is the great kitchen. -Very nice. | 0:04:48 | 0:04:51 | |
But this isn't what I want to show you. This is over here. | 0:04:51 | 0:04:54 | |
-This is our servants' dining hall. -Interesting decoration. | 0:04:59 | 0:05:03 | |
What do they all mean? | 0:05:03 | 0:05:05 | |
Well, we've got some theories about what they all mean. | 0:05:05 | 0:05:08 | |
-Can you see there's some dividers, holding a white scroll? -Yes. | 0:05:08 | 0:05:12 | |
And then you've got these reeded columns with the set squares on top, | 0:05:12 | 0:05:17 | |
with an eye in the middle. | 0:05:17 | 0:05:18 | |
And then we've got family crests all around walls. | 0:05:18 | 0:05:22 | |
What is unusual is that we've got lots of Protestant families up here | 0:05:22 | 0:05:27 | |
but we've also got some well-known Roman Catholic families here, too. | 0:05:27 | 0:05:31 | |
-So they're intermingled? -Yes, | 0:05:31 | 0:05:33 | |
something is uniting them that is bigger than religion. | 0:05:33 | 0:05:36 | |
-What's bigger than religion? -Quite. | 0:05:38 | 0:05:39 | |
If you put a modern day Freemason in this room and show him | 0:05:41 | 0:05:45 | |
these symbols, they go, "Oh, that looks really Masonic to me." | 0:05:45 | 0:05:49 | |
But the Grand Lodge in London of Freemasons say freemasonry | 0:05:50 | 0:05:56 | |
-wasn't established in England until 1717. -So this is too early? | 0:05:56 | 0:06:01 | |
This is at least 100 years too early, | 0:06:01 | 0:06:04 | |
-probably more than 100 years too early. -Right. | 0:06:04 | 0:06:07 | |
-It's very mysterious, isn't it? It's very Da Vinci Code. -Oh, it is. | 0:06:07 | 0:06:11 | |
So, the symbols may hold the key to a secret society | 0:06:11 | 0:06:14 | |
but another mystery has recently been unearthed in the room. | 0:06:14 | 0:06:19 | |
-Inside here... -You're getting into the cupboard. -Yes, indeed. | 0:06:19 | 0:06:23 | |
We were just having a look around. | 0:06:23 | 0:06:24 | |
I don't know if you can notice, we've got a secret chamber. | 0:06:24 | 0:06:28 | |
For what? | 0:06:28 | 0:06:30 | |
Well, it's too small for a person, | 0:06:30 | 0:06:33 | |
but it's just the right size for things. | 0:06:33 | 0:06:35 | |
So if you have things you don't want anybody to find, | 0:06:35 | 0:06:38 | |
then you'd put them in here. | 0:06:38 | 0:06:40 | |
So many questions, Laura, so many questions! | 0:06:40 | 0:06:44 | |
We know that there's a lot of story here. | 0:06:44 | 0:06:47 | |
We've got lots of people who've given us little ideas | 0:06:47 | 0:06:49 | |
and hints about various things. | 0:06:49 | 0:06:51 | |
We would love people to, if they've got any ideas, | 0:06:51 | 0:06:54 | |
come and have a look and come and tell us what they think. | 0:06:54 | 0:06:57 | |
If you're watching and you know what any of this means, let us know. | 0:06:57 | 0:07:00 | |
Get in contact. | 0:07:00 | 0:07:02 | |
Hopefully, one day, someone out there | 0:07:03 | 0:07:05 | |
can unravel the secrets wrapped within the symbols. | 0:07:05 | 0:07:08 | |
While we're careering around Northamptonshire, Tom has been | 0:07:11 | 0:07:14 | |
travelling from England to Scotland finding out why one of Britain's | 0:07:14 | 0:07:17 | |
most beautiful wild animals is becoming a victim of its own success. | 0:07:17 | 0:07:21 | |
Deer have always been a part of our rural landscape. | 0:07:25 | 0:07:29 | |
Yet a glimpse of our largest land mammal is still a rare treat | 0:07:29 | 0:07:33 | |
for many people in the countryside. | 0:07:33 | 0:07:35 | |
But this secretive temperament hides a population explosion | 0:07:38 | 0:07:42 | |
and now they're on the move. | 0:07:42 | 0:07:45 | |
Following in the footsteps of foxes, deer are now spreading further | 0:07:51 | 0:07:56 | |
and further into our urban areas. | 0:07:56 | 0:07:58 | |
They can now be found in many of our biggest cities, | 0:07:59 | 0:08:02 | |
like Bristol, Glasgow, and here in London. | 0:08:02 | 0:08:05 | |
They're becoming amazingly bold, brazen, even. | 0:08:07 | 0:08:10 | |
This is the middle of the day and I can get quite close to them | 0:08:10 | 0:08:13 | |
before they move off. | 0:08:13 | 0:08:15 | |
They're getting very used to being near humans. | 0:08:15 | 0:08:17 | |
It's hard to believe these usually timid creatures would want | 0:08:18 | 0:08:22 | |
to live closer to us. | 0:08:22 | 0:08:24 | |
To find out what's bringing them to the cities, | 0:08:24 | 0:08:26 | |
I'm heading into the heart of the countryside. | 0:08:26 | 0:08:29 | |
Dr Paul Dolman has been studying deer populations in Britain | 0:08:36 | 0:08:39 | |
for 12 years. | 0:08:39 | 0:08:41 | |
How have things been changing? | 0:08:41 | 0:08:43 | |
Well, you can see for all four of these species in the 1970s, | 0:08:43 | 0:08:48 | |
they were very localised and then in the last three decades, | 0:08:48 | 0:08:51 | |
they have spread. They've spread throughout much of the country. | 0:08:51 | 0:08:55 | |
It is a very consistent picture, isn't it? | 0:08:55 | 0:08:57 | |
Moving out from these small darker areas, | 0:08:57 | 0:08:59 | |
the lighter colours spreading out across the country. | 0:08:59 | 0:09:03 | |
What's driving this expansion? | 0:09:03 | 0:09:06 | |
Firstly, we have no natural predators. We don't have brown bear, | 0:09:06 | 0:09:09 | |
wolf and lynx in the UK. | 0:09:09 | 0:09:11 | |
Secondly, we've actually reintroduced the native roe deer | 0:09:11 | 0:09:15 | |
to England and red deer, | 0:09:15 | 0:09:16 | |
and we've released these introduced species, but we've released them | 0:09:16 | 0:09:20 | |
into an environment that's very favourable for them. | 0:09:20 | 0:09:23 | |
We've doubled the area of woodland in the last century | 0:09:23 | 0:09:26 | |
through planting and we've got highly nutritious croplands. | 0:09:26 | 0:09:30 | |
We now have food in the winter in the form of planted winter wheat. | 0:09:30 | 0:09:33 | |
All of these things have made it more favourable for deer. | 0:09:33 | 0:09:37 | |
And you can see that with London here. | 0:09:37 | 0:09:39 | |
They've spread throughout what is the M25 ring. | 0:09:39 | 0:09:42 | |
Well, particularly for muntjac, fallow and roe deer, yes. | 0:09:42 | 0:09:45 | |
They are colonising our cities. | 0:09:45 | 0:09:47 | |
Current estimates suggest there are now two million deer in the UK. | 0:09:49 | 0:09:53 | |
Such numbers are already damaging the countryside. | 0:09:53 | 0:09:56 | |
The problem is that hungry deer are eating their way | 0:09:57 | 0:10:00 | |
through our woodlands, stopping the growth of new trees | 0:10:00 | 0:10:04 | |
and destroying precious habitats. | 0:10:04 | 0:10:06 | |
They're even being blamed for sharp declines in woodland birds, | 0:10:06 | 0:10:10 | |
like the nightingale. | 0:10:10 | 0:10:12 | |
But as they move into more populated areas, new problems are arising. | 0:10:17 | 0:10:21 | |
One of the biggest issues is road accidents. | 0:10:25 | 0:10:28 | |
It's claimed that more than 40,000 collisions are caused by deer | 0:10:28 | 0:10:32 | |
every year in the UK. | 0:10:32 | 0:10:34 | |
Scottish Natural Heritage has been keeping | 0:10:37 | 0:10:39 | |
an eye on the problem in Glasgow. | 0:10:39 | 0:10:41 | |
-So, why have you brought me here? -This is really a busy road | 0:10:43 | 0:10:46 | |
beside the roe deer habitat. | 0:10:46 | 0:10:48 | |
We've got lots of traffic, lots of deer, | 0:10:48 | 0:10:50 | |
and the potential for an accident between the two. | 0:10:50 | 0:10:53 | |
Have you actually had collisions here? | 0:10:53 | 0:10:55 | |
Certainly on this road and the M8 motorway just over the hill here. | 0:10:55 | 0:10:58 | |
So for this whole area, it certainly has its fair share of accidents. | 0:10:58 | 0:11:02 | |
We've also got problems with poaching, | 0:11:03 | 0:11:05 | |
antisocial behaviour, in terms of killing deer with illegal methods, | 0:11:05 | 0:11:09 | |
which has welfare implications for the deer. | 0:11:09 | 0:11:12 | |
We might have damage to woodlands and people's gardens, | 0:11:12 | 0:11:16 | |
-golf courses, public areas. -Is it all bad? -Absolutely not. | 0:11:16 | 0:11:19 | |
A lot of people love deer, and enjoy seeing deer. | 0:11:19 | 0:11:22 | |
For people in Glasgow, a roe deer is in all honesty the biggest | 0:11:22 | 0:11:26 | |
land mammal they'll see right on their doorstep. | 0:11:26 | 0:11:29 | |
That's a huge benefit to educate people, | 0:11:29 | 0:11:32 | |
they can see and enjoy nature. | 0:11:32 | 0:11:33 | |
Unless the population is managed, | 0:11:35 | 0:11:37 | |
it's likely the number of urban deer will continue to rise. | 0:11:37 | 0:11:41 | |
That doesn't mean marauding gangs of deer trashing our city streets | 0:11:43 | 0:11:47 | |
but if something isn't done, | 0:11:47 | 0:11:49 | |
it could lead to more conflict with us, and more suffering for the deer. | 0:11:49 | 0:11:53 | |
Later, I'll be asking if we need to take more drastic action now | 0:11:57 | 0:12:01 | |
to avoid further problems in the future. | 0:12:01 | 0:12:04 | |
'So much for spring having sprung! | 0:12:12 | 0:12:15 | |
'It's gone all Arctic in Northamptonshire, too. | 0:12:15 | 0:12:17 | |
'But I'm about to explore a rather unusual type of farming | 0:12:17 | 0:12:21 | |
'that should definitely warm the cockles.' | 0:12:21 | 0:12:23 | |
Gin. Now, that's my kind of farm diversification! | 0:12:23 | 0:12:27 | |
Just five months ago, Tom Warner and Sion Edwards started harnessing | 0:12:30 | 0:12:34 | |
the spring water beneath Tom's family farm to make artisan gin. | 0:12:34 | 0:12:39 | |
From young scamps helping out on their parents' farms, | 0:12:40 | 0:12:43 | |
these two grew up to be best friends at agricultural college. | 0:12:43 | 0:12:46 | |
Kindred spirits with a clear vision, | 0:12:48 | 0:12:50 | |
they are now bezzie mates in a distilling business. | 0:12:50 | 0:12:54 | |
-Hi, Tom. -Hi, Julia. -Cor, bumpy old field you've got me walking across! | 0:12:54 | 0:12:57 | |
Yeah, they are the parks and gardens of an old mediaeval manor house. | 0:12:57 | 0:13:01 | |
-Really? -Yeah, where we are right now is actually the fishponds. | 0:13:01 | 0:13:04 | |
And this is one of the springs that would have fed the ponds. | 0:13:04 | 0:13:06 | |
Handy for the gin business. | 0:13:06 | 0:13:08 | |
Very handy for the gin business, because the water is very important. | 0:13:08 | 0:13:11 | |
It wasn't always gin for you, though, was it? | 0:13:11 | 0:13:14 | |
We really wanted to get back to some form of agriculture | 0:13:14 | 0:13:16 | |
that was more exciting than day-to-day running of the farm | 0:13:16 | 0:13:19 | |
and that's where this idea came from. | 0:13:19 | 0:13:22 | |
It originally started around growing crops for essential oils | 0:13:22 | 0:13:25 | |
and you need to distil those crops to extract the oil from them. | 0:13:25 | 0:13:28 | |
What can you do with a still for the rest of the year? | 0:13:28 | 0:13:30 | |
We can make alcohol. | 0:13:30 | 0:13:32 | |
So we dropped the whole essential oil idea | 0:13:32 | 0:13:34 | |
and just started focusing on alcohol. | 0:13:34 | 0:13:36 | |
Who's the brains and who's the brawn in this operation, Tom? | 0:13:36 | 0:13:39 | |
I think, as I'm here on a freezing cold day bucketing water, | 0:13:39 | 0:13:42 | |
and Sion's up there in the warm, I think | 0:13:42 | 0:13:44 | |
I can be the brawn and he's the brains. | 0:13:44 | 0:13:46 | |
This old stable is now home to a beautiful, hand-made copper still | 0:13:53 | 0:13:56 | |
that looks like something straight out of a Wallace and Gromit film. | 0:13:56 | 0:14:00 | |
Into the spring water goes a mix of juniper, cinnamon, cardamom, | 0:14:00 | 0:14:04 | |
elder from the farm and a whole host of other secret goodies. | 0:14:04 | 0:14:08 | |
Time for me to get warm and find out how it all works. | 0:14:08 | 0:14:12 | |
-Hiya, Sion. -Hello, there. -She's a beauty, isn't she? -Absolutely. | 0:14:12 | 0:14:16 | |
So we've got all the ingredients in here bubbling away, | 0:14:16 | 0:14:19 | |
looking very appetising. | 0:14:19 | 0:14:21 | |
Basically, we've mixed alcohol, water and botanicals, | 0:14:21 | 0:14:25 | |
so things like juniper and things that go into gin, | 0:14:25 | 0:14:28 | |
and we then have to separate the alcohol out. | 0:14:28 | 0:14:31 | |
As we heat the pot up, it vapours and condenses, | 0:14:31 | 0:14:35 | |
which is the distilling, basically. | 0:14:35 | 0:14:37 | |
And it goes all the way through and comes out as liquid, | 0:14:37 | 0:14:41 | |
-pure distillate, which is full of flavour and about 89%. -Wow! | 0:14:41 | 0:14:47 | |
89%? But that's not how you deliver it | 0:14:47 | 0:14:50 | |
as a final product, at 89%? | 0:14:50 | 0:14:52 | |
No, the water that Tom brings from the spring, | 0:14:52 | 0:14:54 | |
we make sure it's clean, then it's called cutting back. | 0:14:54 | 0:14:57 | |
We cut back the distillate down to 44%, | 0:14:57 | 0:15:00 | |
which is what we produce our gin at. | 0:15:00 | 0:15:03 | |
-A mere 44%? -Yeah. | 0:15:03 | 0:15:05 | |
Oh, gosh. | 0:15:05 | 0:15:06 | |
'Once distilled, it's ready for bottling | 0:15:11 | 0:15:13 | |
'and these two do everything with their own fair hands.' | 0:15:13 | 0:15:16 | |
I feel like some sort of techno milkmaid. | 0:15:16 | 0:15:20 | |
-Yeah, it does look like the back end of a robotic cow, doesn't it? -Yep. | 0:15:20 | 0:15:23 | |
-And, remarkably, that will do 500 an hour. -500 an hour? | 0:15:23 | 0:15:28 | |
Not with me at the wheel! | 0:15:28 | 0:15:29 | |
THEY LAUGH | 0:15:29 | 0:15:31 | |
With the elite bottling crew on it, me and Sion, it can, yeah. | 0:15:31 | 0:15:34 | |
Where do you sell your gin now? | 0:15:34 | 0:15:36 | |
Because you've just started, it's a very specialised business | 0:15:36 | 0:15:40 | |
and you've got a lot of competition. | 0:15:40 | 0:15:42 | |
We try to target upmarket bars, hotels and restaurants, | 0:15:42 | 0:15:45 | |
good cocktail bars and independent wine shops around the country. | 0:15:45 | 0:15:50 | |
And where do you want to be in five years' time? Still doing all of this? | 0:15:50 | 0:15:53 | |
Because you want to keep it niche, don't you? | 0:15:53 | 0:15:55 | |
Ultimately, we always want to keep it as an artisan product, | 0:15:55 | 0:15:58 | |
so everything's done by hand. | 0:15:58 | 0:15:59 | |
But we also want to bring in more ingredients from the farms, | 0:15:59 | 0:16:02 | |
using the sloes, the blackberries and the damsons | 0:16:02 | 0:16:05 | |
from the hedgerows around the farm to make different liquors. | 0:16:05 | 0:16:08 | |
We were thinking of curing meat as well. | 0:16:08 | 0:16:11 | |
The smell from the pot, once distillation is over, | 0:16:11 | 0:16:14 | |
is so fantastic and we think and we could possibly cure meat | 0:16:14 | 0:16:17 | |
in that distillate, because the smell is so great. | 0:16:17 | 0:16:21 | |
That would be interesting, wouldn't it? | 0:16:21 | 0:16:23 | |
All of this is making me thirsty. We need to taste some now. | 0:16:23 | 0:16:25 | |
I think that's a tremendous idea, Julia, | 0:16:25 | 0:16:27 | |
-and we've also got a little surprise for you. -Ooh? | 0:16:27 | 0:16:30 | |
We've got you your very own label | 0:16:30 | 0:16:31 | |
-produced for your very own bottle of gin. -Look at that! | 0:16:31 | 0:16:34 | |
That is brilliant! | 0:16:34 | 0:16:36 | |
-Cheers! -Cheers! | 0:16:36 | 0:16:38 | |
-It's very flowery. -It's beautiful gin, yeah. -It is good gin. | 0:16:42 | 0:16:47 | |
-What's it like to be working with your best mate, then? -It's fantastic. | 0:16:47 | 0:16:50 | |
Best friend for the last 16 years of your life, can't go wrong. | 0:16:50 | 0:16:55 | |
Have arguments sometimes, | 0:16:55 | 0:16:57 | |
I have to get stuff from the tall shelves for Sion, | 0:16:57 | 0:16:59 | |
but no, it's great. | 0:16:59 | 0:17:01 | |
People say you shouldn't work with your friends, but it works with us. | 0:17:01 | 0:17:05 | |
Deer are thriving in Britain, and their rapid spread | 0:17:09 | 0:17:13 | |
could in many ways be celebrated as an ecological success. | 0:17:13 | 0:17:17 | |
With no natural predators and plenty of suitable habitat, | 0:17:19 | 0:17:23 | |
deer numbers have been booming. | 0:17:23 | 0:17:25 | |
And whilst that is a really welcome sight | 0:17:25 | 0:17:28 | |
while we are out in the countryside, | 0:17:28 | 0:17:30 | |
when they come very close to our own doorsteps and our own roads, | 0:17:30 | 0:17:34 | |
that can put real strain on our relationship. | 0:17:34 | 0:17:38 | |
In Scotland, they are tackling the problem head-on. | 0:17:41 | 0:17:45 | |
To find out how, I'm up early to visit a chilly woodland | 0:17:45 | 0:17:49 | |
just outside the town of Kilsyth, near Glasgow. | 0:17:49 | 0:17:51 | |
Ben Harrower manages the deer numbers in this area. | 0:17:54 | 0:17:57 | |
What's the plan this morning? | 0:17:59 | 0:18:00 | |
We're just on the edge of the town here, one of our woodlands. | 0:18:00 | 0:18:03 | |
We're going to go up this track, | 0:18:03 | 0:18:05 | |
go up to the back of the hill there, | 0:18:05 | 0:18:07 | |
onto a sensitive restock site, see if there's any roe deer. | 0:18:07 | 0:18:10 | |
To keep the deer at a level where human contact is kept | 0:18:13 | 0:18:16 | |
to a minimum, 12 need to be culled at this site every year. | 0:18:16 | 0:18:20 | |
And how far are we here from built-up areas? | 0:18:22 | 0:18:25 | |
Well, you've got a community | 0:18:25 | 0:18:26 | |
just a few hundred metres down the hill there. | 0:18:26 | 0:18:28 | |
You've got a large town, just on the road we came in there, | 0:18:28 | 0:18:32 | |
and on the south-east side as well, so we are surrounded. | 0:18:32 | 0:18:35 | |
When we are controlling an urban woodland like this, | 0:18:35 | 0:18:38 | |
we have exclusion zones near the towns and cities | 0:18:38 | 0:18:41 | |
and we will completely exclude going from that area. | 0:18:41 | 0:18:45 | |
So you will only stick to the back of the woodlands, the quieter areas. | 0:18:45 | 0:18:48 | |
The Forestry Commission culls 1,100 roe deer every year | 0:18:50 | 0:18:53 | |
in lowland Scotland, which is then sold on as venison. | 0:18:53 | 0:18:57 | |
But with the weather closing in, | 0:19:00 | 0:19:02 | |
there is little chance of seeing one today. | 0:19:02 | 0:19:04 | |
I can see it is a tricky job. Why is it worthwhile? | 0:19:05 | 0:19:09 | |
It seems odd, Tom, but we manage deer for the deer's own welfare. | 0:19:09 | 0:19:12 | |
You see the negative impacts with the interactions with people, | 0:19:12 | 0:19:16 | |
so it is for their own welfare | 0:19:16 | 0:19:18 | |
and to keep a healthy deer population on the ground. | 0:19:18 | 0:19:20 | |
Here, the approach to dealing with lowland deer has been led | 0:19:24 | 0:19:27 | |
by experience elsewhere in the country. | 0:19:27 | 0:19:31 | |
The law in Scotland generally supports the need for culling, | 0:19:31 | 0:19:34 | |
so even if a landowner was reluctant to see it happening on his land, | 0:19:34 | 0:19:39 | |
the authorities can make it happen | 0:19:39 | 0:19:41 | |
if they really think it is necessary. | 0:19:41 | 0:19:43 | |
But not everyone sees culling as the best option. | 0:19:47 | 0:19:50 | |
Across the border in England, some of the responsibility | 0:19:50 | 0:19:53 | |
for managing the animals falls on local councils. | 0:19:53 | 0:19:56 | |
Rather than shooting the deer, some go out of their way to protect them. | 0:19:59 | 0:20:04 | |
We are right on the edge of the M25. Why have you brought me here? | 0:20:04 | 0:20:09 | |
I've brought you here | 0:20:09 | 0:20:10 | |
because this is a tunnel specifically built | 0:20:10 | 0:20:12 | |
to allow deer to come underneath it, | 0:20:12 | 0:20:14 | |
so the herds can move. | 0:20:14 | 0:20:15 | |
And when the M25 was widened a few years ago, | 0:20:15 | 0:20:18 | |
I lobbied and campaigned to make sure these tunnels remained. | 0:20:18 | 0:20:22 | |
In the London Borough of Havering, Andrew Curtin has worked hard | 0:20:23 | 0:20:27 | |
to safeguard both deer and drivers. | 0:20:27 | 0:20:30 | |
But despite his best efforts, it has been claimed that this borough | 0:20:30 | 0:20:34 | |
still has the highest number | 0:20:34 | 0:20:35 | |
of deer-related accidents in the capital. | 0:20:35 | 0:20:38 | |
But why not control the numbers by shooting some? | 0:20:38 | 0:20:41 | |
Well, sometimes it is necessary, to control the numbers. | 0:20:41 | 0:20:44 | |
But we think there are more effective ways of doing that, | 0:20:44 | 0:20:46 | |
so not using culling, because that isn't our policy at all. | 0:20:46 | 0:20:49 | |
Whilst some are against culling, on the grounds that it is inefficient | 0:20:50 | 0:20:54 | |
or even inhumane, for Andrew, there is an even more practical problem. | 0:20:54 | 0:20:58 | |
There is no point in us doing something drastic | 0:20:58 | 0:21:02 | |
and then more deer just coming over the border from Essex. | 0:21:02 | 0:21:04 | |
If there is going to be a response, it needs to be | 0:21:04 | 0:21:06 | |
across the whole region, the Government needs to consult on it | 0:21:06 | 0:21:09 | |
and we respond to that and look at the measures being proposed. | 0:21:09 | 0:21:12 | |
In England, large numbers of deer are already shot, | 0:21:16 | 0:21:20 | |
around 100,000 every year. | 0:21:20 | 0:21:22 | |
The Government have been advised | 0:21:25 | 0:21:27 | |
that up to a quarter of the nation's deer should be culled, | 0:21:27 | 0:21:30 | |
but when it was suggested that that figure increase to 50%, | 0:21:30 | 0:21:34 | |
the press splashed the story. | 0:21:34 | 0:21:36 | |
The headlines were prompted by research | 0:21:39 | 0:21:41 | |
overseen by Dr Paul Dolman, who we met earlier. | 0:21:41 | 0:21:44 | |
But he is uneasy with the reaction. | 0:21:44 | 0:21:47 | |
This is not something that I would be comfortable with | 0:21:47 | 0:21:51 | |
being attributed to me. | 0:21:51 | 0:21:53 | |
Paul claims his findings have been widely misinterpreted. | 0:21:54 | 0:21:57 | |
Although he does think we need to cull more, he says that first, | 0:21:57 | 0:22:02 | |
we must get a clearer picture of our deer population. | 0:22:02 | 0:22:05 | |
We don't know how many deer there are in the UK. | 0:22:05 | 0:22:08 | |
You can see estimates of around 1.5 million or more. | 0:22:08 | 0:22:12 | |
But this is complex, this is six different species, | 0:22:12 | 0:22:16 | |
and every species of deer has to be taken on a case-by-case basis. | 0:22:16 | 0:22:21 | |
And every region of the country has to be taken individually. | 0:22:21 | 0:22:24 | |
Believing current estimates on deer numbers are wildly inaccurate, | 0:22:24 | 0:22:29 | |
Paul and his team have been running a thermal imaging study | 0:22:29 | 0:22:32 | |
in Thetford Forest, giving me the chance to see some deer in the wild. | 0:22:32 | 0:22:37 | |
They are going to come across the road now. | 0:22:37 | 0:22:40 | |
Wow, look at them in the sunshine! | 0:22:40 | 0:22:42 | |
What it's told us is that there are many more deer here than we thought | 0:22:42 | 0:22:46 | |
and that the deer management has completely underestimated | 0:22:46 | 0:22:51 | |
the number of deer here. | 0:22:51 | 0:22:52 | |
So although this is a highly managed forest, | 0:22:52 | 0:22:56 | |
there are nearly 1,500 muntjac and roe deer shot each year | 0:22:56 | 0:23:00 | |
in the area we were studying. What we have shown | 0:23:00 | 0:23:03 | |
is that that is not keeping a lid on the population | 0:23:03 | 0:23:06 | |
and that there are another 2,000 muntjac and roe spreading out | 0:23:06 | 0:23:10 | |
into the wider countryside every year, | 0:23:10 | 0:23:12 | |
fuelling the increase in deer numbers. | 0:23:12 | 0:23:14 | |
For Paul, until we have an accurate figure across the whole country, | 0:23:16 | 0:23:20 | |
it is impossible to say exactly how many deer we actually need to cull. | 0:23:20 | 0:23:24 | |
But it is likely to be far greater than the current | 0:23:24 | 0:23:27 | |
recommendation of one quarter. | 0:23:27 | 0:23:30 | |
So, the question for our society is, are we prepared to kill more? | 0:23:30 | 0:23:35 | |
If the answer is no, | 0:23:35 | 0:23:37 | |
we may enjoy the thrill of more regular sightings, | 0:23:37 | 0:23:40 | |
but also endure the peril of more regular friction between us. | 0:23:40 | 0:23:45 |